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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

The Phoenix Lords are walking infinity circuit of gestalt souls with a corpse sacrifice inside.

 Hellebore wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

The Phoenix Lords are walking infinity circuit of gestalt souls with a corpse sacrifice inside.

And where does that rank on the Mohs scale?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

The Phoenix Lords are walking infinity circuit of gestalt souls with a corpse sacrifice inside.

And where does that rank on the Mohs scale?

“Squishy” apparently.
Sure the suit’s pretty tough and so on but it’s still held together by meat. Until the PL learn to do without, Light of Eltharion style, they’re still vulnerable to jellification.

Already known but just to confirm price is £150, €200

That’ll be $300 Canadian due to GW’s conversion rate. Pass.

Yikes.

That is certainly a price.

Also, seems like GW is again pushing the "default" price up for these kinda boxes.

What a surprise /s

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

The Phoenix Lords are walking infinity circuit of gestalt souls with a corpse sacrifice inside.

And where does that rank on the Mohs scale?

“Squishy” apparently.
Sure the suit’s pretty tough and so on but it’s still held together by meat. Until the PL learn to do without, Light of Eltharion style, they’re still vulnerable to jellification.

It’s not held together by meat. In the descriptions we’ve had of injured Phoenix Lords (e.g. Karandras in Path of the Warrior or in a vignette in WD when the 3rd Ed Codex came out) the suit is empty with the appearance of starlight in the void.

When they take a new host they drain the life out of them to repair themselves, the unfortunate doesn’t physically put the suit on. In the vignette I mentioned, Karandras notes the corpse of the Exarch he’s just absorbed as he walks off.

And Phoenix Lords have always had a higher toughness than other Eldar and wraithbone with nothing inside should be together than flesh with some crystal. And this is the edition where many things have gone up in toughness!

Spoletta wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Ok, just going to come out and say it. Yes, stratagems were way over abused in 9th, but does every unit really have to have its own special rule? Just looking at the data sheets and most of the rules are simply arbitrary. I don’t see how this is simplifying the game if I have to ask my opponent what the special rule is of every unit I encounter to avoid “gotcha” moments.

Read the cards before the game. Done.

Warmachine players are already used to this, it is very handy.

I mean, there are reasons why I don't play Warmachine. That is one.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

He is, as was the Farseer from Valedor. The point is a lot of other characters had their Toughness brought down to the units they are joining, Eldrad is an odd exception. Especially since you probably won't be fielding him alone, and he'll get stuck with the Toughness of the unit he's joining anyways.

 Albertorius wrote:
Yikes.

That is certainly a price.

Also, seems like GW is again pushing the "default" price up for these kinda boxes.

What a surprise /s

What do you think the explanation will be this time for rising costs? They've already used Brexit, COVID, & supply chain breakdowns.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
What do you think the explanation will be this time for rising costs? They've already used Brexit, COVID, & supply chain breakdowns.

"Because we can, and because you guys keep buying them before they're even out, so much so that we can't seem to be able to keep up".

Whatever they're losing on the way, it seems certain they can't really produce stuff fast enough to meet demand, no matter the price.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

He is, as was the Farseer from Valedor. The point is a lot of other characters had their Toughness brought down to the units they are joining, Eldrad is an odd exception. Especially since you probably won't be fielding him alone, and he'll get stuck with the Toughness of the unit he's joining anyways.

 Albertorius wrote:
Yikes.

That is certainly a price.

Also, seems like GW is again pushing the "default" price up for these kinda boxes.

What a surprise /s

What do you think the explanation will be this time for rising costs? They've already used Brexit, COVID, & supply chain breakdowns.

10% inflation in the UK will be the reason they give (with commensurate cost rises in their staffing bill and across their supply chain).

Ymmv on the legitimacy of this.

But part of it will be supply and demand because they can and it’ll still sell out.

 Albertorius wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
What do you think the explanation will be this time for rising costs? They've already used Brexit, COVID, & supply chain breakdowns.

"Because we can, and because you guys keep buying them before they're even out, so much so that we can't seem to be able to keep up".

Whatever they're losing on the way, it seems certain they can't really produce stuff fast enough to meet demand, no matter the price.

Actually, this time they' d have an valid excuse, the UK got hit hard by inflation... it's just that GW decided to hike prices beforehand no matter what and screw the consequences.

Also the box is lazy, considering the venomcrawler... sorry meant totally new and not already recycled tyranid monster that eats psykers and has nothing similar with the chaotic walking talking psykerbattery.


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Lord Zarkov wrote:

10% inflation in the UK will be the reason they give (with commensurate cost rises in their staffing bill and across their supply chain).

Ymmv on the legitimacy of this.

But part of it will be supply and demand because they can and it’ll still sell out.

Which would be fair, compared to past hikes due to supposed increased material cost, f.e. which we know is bs though because WGA at the same time made a funny post about material cost increase on their already massivly cheaper boxes, stating that they'd absorb the increases in cents. And WGA certainly has not the market power that gw does for negotiations about raw material.

Not Online!!! wrote:


Also the box is lazy, considering the venomcrawler... sorry meant totally new and not already recycled tyranid monster that eats psykers and has nothing similar with the chaotic walking talking psykerbattery.

Who knew making a spider like alien insect like monster daemon engine would overlap with the faction who are the original alien insect like monsters. Absolutely shocking!

The starter box at £150 is a big price, but to me it does seem like it's coming with a lot of cool models and inflation prices here other stuff has had bigger jumps than GW.

Well it is good value if you split the box with someone.

 Albertorius wrote:
Yikes.

That is certainly a price.

Also, seems like GW is again pushing the "default" price up for these kinda boxes.

What a surprise /s

Indomitus was £125 for similar mini contents, maybe a little less? This comes with the first GT mission pack cards and the first crusade bundled in, which historically are worth more than £25 combined. It's actually gone down in price comparatively.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well it is good value if you split the box with someone.

In our community multiple marine players don't really want to split the box - they had so many boxes over the last years that their collections and paint queues are full and few of them really need more terminators.

Does anyone else see the same problems in their area?

Tsagualsa wrote:
Valrak said (on a livestream, which is not visible to non-members after he is done streaming, so i can neither re-check it nor link it) that they have 32 shipping containers of Leviathan boxes for the US market alone, which seems like... many. Back of the envelope, that's 640 pallets at least, each with ~ 300 boxes each, so we're looking at close to 200.000 boxes.

Adding to this, the official pricelist also includes the volume of a Leviathan box. Accounting for a reduction due to packaging, a standard 40ft shipping container should contain around 4,000 to 4,500 boxes assuming nothing else is packed with them. If that's true the US market should have well over 100,000 copies, possibly nearer 150k.

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


Also the box is lazy, considering the venomcrawler... sorry meant totally new and not already recycled tyranid monster that eats psykers and has nothing similar with the chaotic walking talking psykerbattery.

Who knew making a spider like alien insect like monster daemon engine would overlap with the faction who are the original alien insect like monsters. Absolutely shocking!

The starter box at £150 is a big price, but to me it does seem like it's coming with a lot of cool models and inflation prices here other stuff has had bigger jumps than GW.

It's more the fact that it is THAT obvious that it got it's 3d assest recycled that annoys me, same for the Warpsmith. (well that and the gimmick goes into the same vein really.)

Also, it's basically like a "hand me down" for nids, which frankly isn't really fair for nids. Just as the warpsmith being basically a copy of the primaris techmarine just screams lazy.

for the record, i don't think recycling assets is something bad, but they could've atleast repositioned the overall pose a bit ...

Eldrad

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Semper wrote:

Honestly, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Avatar is stronger than the daemon primarchs we've seen. He's tougher than Mortarion

God-fragment trumps elevated mortal? Even if the mortal was nearly immortal already…. The literally-solid-iron-body thing probably doesn’t hurt either.

Either way, it’s nice to see ol’ ironface being combat viable again. I was slightly confused by the ranged attack of the Wailing Doom being stronger than the strike mode of its melee attacks but then it’s only the one shot.

I look forward to seeing the Greater Daemons being even more powerful then? lmfao

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't Eldrad tougher before because he is part crystal or something?

The Phoenix Lords are walking infinity circuit of gestalt souls with a corpse sacrifice inside.

And where does that rank on the Mohs scale?

In 2nd ed karandras and maugan were T6...

Semper wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Semper wrote:

Honestly, i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Avatar is stronger than the daemon primarchs we've seen. He's tougher than Mortarion

God-fragment trumps elevated mortal? Even if the mortal was nearly immortal already…. The literally-solid-iron-body thing probably doesn’t hurt either.

Either way, it’s nice to see ol’ ironface being combat viable again. I was slightly confused by the ranged attack of the Wailing Doom being stronger than the strike mode of its melee attacks but then it’s only the one shot.

I look forward to seeing the Greater Daemons being even more powerful then? lmfao

Greater Daemon Datasheets are already available.

 DaveC wrote:
Already known but just to confirm price is £150, €200

what are the chances the £150 box is a splash release with a cheaper, smaller box later? or at least a smaller and an even smaller box alongside it though?

Age of Darkness is £150, though it feels worth it for the contents, I've looked at Leviathan and have to say that doesn't feel worth it

leopard wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Already known but just to confirm price is £150, €200

what are the chances the £150 box is a splash release with a cheaper, smaller box later? or at least a smaller and an even smaller box alongside it though?

Age of Darkness is £150, though it feels worth it for the contents, I've looked at Leviathan and have to say that doesn't feel worth it

Starter sets later given. You can make good estimate on models in 3 layers if you want and know sprue split.

No way gw leaves whole edition without starter set.

Of course won't contain all and discount worse.

tneva82 wrote:

leopard wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Already known but just to confirm price is £150, €200

what are the chances the £150 box is a splash release with a cheaper, smaller box later? or at least a smaller and an even smaller box alongside it though?

Age of Darkness is £150, though it feels worth it for the contents, I've looked at Leviathan and have to say that doesn't feel worth it

Starter sets later given. You can make good estimate on models in 3 layers if you want and know sprue split.

No way gw leaves whole edition without starter set.

Of course won't contain all and discount worse.

makes sense, I'm seeing this as the big box they did for 9th, a splash, sold out almost immediately, then a smaller box later

edit: wrong thread

leopard wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Already known but just to confirm price is £150, €200

what are the chances the £150 box is a splash release with a cheaper, smaller box later? or at least a smaller and an even smaller box alongside it though?

Age of Darkness is £150, though it feels worth it for the contents, I've looked at Leviathan and have to say that doesn't feel worth it

Its probably what you meant, but Age of Darkness box set is £185.

SamusDrake wrote:

leopard wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Already known but just to confirm price is £150, €200

what are the chances the £150 box is a splash release with a cheaper, smaller box later? or at least a smaller and an even smaller box alongside it though?

Age of Darkness is £150, though it feels worth it for the contents, I've looked at Leviathan and have to say that doesn't feel worth it

Its probably what you meant, but Age of Darkness box set is £185.

Also this is 100% going to be a splash release with smaller follow up products. I expect we might see a combat patrol nids + rulebook, a combat patrol marines + rulebook, then a marines CP vs Nids CP box as the larger one.

Who here has played the new rules yet? What point size did you play and HOW LONG did the game take?

For me, game time is key - I don't have hours and hours to contribute to getting back into playing. That's what I use for painting!

Not pre-ordering as I’ve had a Bloody Expensive Month already. But….payday is the day before release, and my local FGLS is super easy walking distance from my boudoir, so may chance my hand grabbing a copy off the shelf.

But I do need to figure out if I’m splitting it with my mate. I’m in for the Nids, not at all fussed from the Maureens.