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Teatonev wrote:
Auspex Tactics' latest video hypothesises that the two forces are very unbalanced. I haven't seen it but apparently in the Warhammer+ battle report they added another 20 termagants and 5 barbagants to the Tyranids box contents to balance it?

There's nothing apparently about it:

WarCom wrote:WarCom: Were both armies formed using the Warhammer 40,000: Leviathan boxed set?

Nick: That’s right – we wanted to put the new models through their paces. The Space Marines side is literally just the contents of the boxed set by itself, and to make it match in points we added another unit of Termagants and another unit of Barbgaunts to the Tyranid side. It worked out about right, and let me tell you, it made for a really close fight!

I personally love the "worked out about right" comment.

I mean, shouldn't they know? They have the points, yes?

I have seen 2 review videos and both mention that there were no rules for the units in the box except the short version from the building instructions
so for them it was impossible to tell if the forces are balanced or even playable with a single box

and for the WH+ report we would need more details, which points and rules they used or of it was just throwing random stuff together without know the rules (would not be the first battle report on wh+ that used anything but the official rules available to us)

Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

I will just get the token set and rulebook/cards from ebay or 2ndhand locally, but if many people miss out on this box, I can't but wonder what is wrong with GW this year.. they are really struggling with logistics issues it seems

 AduroT wrote:
Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

yeah, so for everyone who wants to get the box to start playing, you don't because the forces don't match

and what is an official battle report to teaser the new launch box worth if they don't even try to match them 100% according to the latest rules?

 Nevelon wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hey ahh.. rando question: Has anyone seen mention of Combat Squads so far in 10th?

DEldar Venoms stole it like Robin Hood and handed it out to any would-be passengers

To be fair though, it is very likely that Kabalites & Wyches have become minimum unit size 10 instead of 5. So the Venom needed this rule to even function as a Transport for those units.

If Combat Squads is still part of Marine Rules, it will be in their 1 page of Army rules with Oath of Moment and Combat Doctrines. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was an exclusive rule given by Razorbacks and Impulsors

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Combat squads was a rule from back when we had to buy squads at full 10 men. Do we need it anymore?

I say this as someone who routinely fields full 10 man squads. In my years of playing, I can only think of a handful of times I’ve used it. Mostly if I want 2x5 man squads, I just take them in the list. The ability to break up on the fly was nice, useful, but very situational.

I use the Combat Squads* rule all the time. It's one of my favs.

*Well, I did before I stopped playing during 9th.

 kodos wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

yeah, so for everyone who wants to get the box to start playing, you don't because the forces don't match

and what is an official battle report to teaser the new launch box worth if they don't even try to match them 100% according to the latest rules?

Not an official tournament game but a more casual staged game designed to show off some of the abilities and units?

 kodos wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

yeah, so for everyone who wants to get the box to start playing, you don't because the forces don't match

and what is an official battle report to teaser the new launch box worth if they don't even try to match them 100% according to the latest rules?

Because the way you're meant to play with the units in the box as a starter game is using the special Combat Patrol datasheets with very different rules instead of the regular 40k ones, while GW was producing an official battle report for already existing players to showcase how the game is changing and as a look at how the new units function in a regular game

 AduroT wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

yeah, so for everyone who wants to get the box to start playing, you don't because the forces don't match

and what is an official battle report to teaser the new launch box worth if they don't even try to match them 100% according to the latest rules?

Not an official tournament game but a more casual staged game designed to show off some of the abilities and units?

GW claims that the box has 2 equal combat patrols inside, yet the preview game needed additional unit that it "is about right"?

so they did not used the casual combat patrol or crusade but matched play

IIRC, the combat patrols from Leviathan don't use all the models from Leviathan.

Both sides end up being a Combat Patrol +, so some imbalance when translating that to "mainstream" 40k isn't a huge surprise.

 AduroT wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

yeah, so for everyone who wants to get the box to start playing, you don't because the forces don't match

and what is an official battle report to teaser the new launch box worth if they don't even try to match them 100% according to the latest rules?

Not an official tournament game but a more casual staged game designed to show off some of the abilities and units?

Yeah this is more of a "learn how 10e works" kinda deal. They had a more balanced game on WH+ last week using simplified Combat Patrol lists, followed by everything in the box yesterday to showcase the full 40k rules.

At the end of the day Leviathan is just a big discount bundle of models to get players into starting or updating an army. It got the unit designs that best translated into pushfit / starter kits, rather than the stuff which would make a perfectly balanced competitive match-up. It's not marketed or intended as a self-contained board game with rulers, dice, etc.

Given what they've previewed and the fact that marine & tyranid characters share the same sprue, I'm guessing that the longer term 10e starter set will be those two combat patrols together in one box. That's much closer to a balanced self-contained game.

Aeldari are already preemptively banned from some event (Bugeater GT)

 AduroT wrote:
Yes? And the points worked out about right. They weren’t necessarily trying to match them 100%.

Why wouldn't you?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aeldari are already preemptively banned from some event (Bugeater GT)

Wait, what?

 AduroT wrote:
Not an official tournament game but a more casual staged game designed to show off some of the abilities and units?

Using equal points is something only "official tournament games" do?

 Dysartes wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aeldari are already preemptively banned from some event (Bugeater GT)

Wait, what?

From the other thread:

40k Bugeater GT Update!
With the upcoming release of 10th we wanted to send out a quick announcement as we are getting a lot of questions about which edition we are using.
If the points and datasheets are available for digital download on or before June 16th we will use 10th Edition Rules. If that happens we will make another announcement shortly after in regards to list due dates/missions etc. Also, following the precedent from the community and other events in the past, we will not be allowing Aeldari at our event until GW releases a FAQ/Errata for them.
If they release one we will revisit this and update if needed.
If all of the points and datasheets are not out by June 16th, we will be using 9th edition with the current GT pack that is in place.
Hope to see everyone on the 24th and 25th of June!

Here's the full text from their facebook.

I surmise there is a lot of heartburn about how easy it is for Support D-Cannon to dump 8 MW via indirect fire thanks to Strands of Fate + a backfield Farseer.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aeldari are already preemptively banned from some event (Bugeater GT)

Wait, what?

Apparently the English speaking competitive clique, which has been prepping with leaked playtest documents for months (in a moot attempt to get a win over Eastern Europeans ), found some busted combo. It is also their stance that Aeldari on the whole are 15% underpointed.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

40k Bugeater GT Update!
With the upcoming release of 10th we wanted to send out a quick announcement as we are getting a lot of questions about which edition we are using.
If the points and datasheets are available for digital download on or before June 16th we will use 10th Edition Rules. If that happens we will make another announcement shortly after in regards to list due dates/missions etc. Also, following the precedent from the community and other events in the past, we will not be allowing Aeldari at our event until GW releases a FAQ/Errata for them.
If they release one we will revisit this and update if needed.
If all of the points and datasheets are not out by June 16th, we will be using 9th edition with the current GT pack that is in place.
Hope to see everyone on the 24th and 25th of June!

So they're pushing for their tournament to use a brand new, written from the ground up set of rules, on the official launch day. Their whole schedule revolves around release dates from unconfirmed rumours. Players have the bare minimum time to read the new rules and assembles lists from scratch, let alone review any FAQs or updates released by the 24th.

Talk about living on the bleeding edge.

I would have expected them to at least waiting for the official datasheets to drop before making a judgement call like that. They will look like idiots if it turns out they acted pre-emptively based on flawed intel

 xttz wrote:
a brand new, written from the ground up set of rules

Which one is that?

Warhammer 40k

 xttz wrote:
So they're pushing for their tournament to use a brand new, written from the ground up set of rules, on the official launch day. Their whole schedule revolves around release dates from unconfirmed rumours. Players have the bare minimum time to read the new rules and assembles lists from scratch, let alone review any FAQs or updates released by the 24th.

Talk about living on the bleeding edge.

This is how real grinders win, force new rules on the general public while you've known them for months, being on the playtest circuit

Eldar do look busted, but I'd probably test it given the context of the whole game changing rather than just declaring it so.

I'd be fething livid as an eldar player, banned before the points are even out, for an event that by their own sign up sheet wasn't going to use 10th anyway. Seems a desperate grab at world first tournament, rather than respecting the audience.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:


I surmise there is a lot of heartburn about how easy it is for Support D-Cannon to dump 8 MW via indirect fire

never understood why tournaments are switching that fast to a new edition

in general I understand why people want to play with the latest rules, but there is no real reason for an event to do that

seeing the same with T9A were Alpha Test books are the ones played at events rather than the stable release (and people getting angry if the army they build for the event is no longer legit because of recent changes)

so this must be something with the tournament crowed cutting edge release is the one that needs to be used rather than the stable and tested version

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Not an official tournament game but a more casual staged game designed to show off some of the abilities and units?

Using equal points is something only "official tournament games" do?

It’s a staged battle report to show off new units and how the game plays. They’re not even playing to win. 100% perfectly matched points limits aren’t required.

Just reviewed the US GW Aeldari site and all the older, non plastic, Phoenix Lords are no longer in the webstore. 50 Total items for sale within the Aeldari range.

 AduroT wrote:
It’s a staged battle report to show off new units and how the game plays. They’re not even playing to win. 100% perfectly matched points limits aren’t required.

But again, why wouldn't you? Playing with armies that match each other in points is completely normal. It's the default mode of the game.

We don’t know if they were 5 points or 50 points off. Why make a big deal about a few points difference?