10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah I wouldn't start building double-Melta Jump units until the real Codex/datasheets come out.

Meanwhile... I'm re-posting this here because I find it amusing:

"I'm sorry sir, but you cannot join our unit."
"Brother-Sergeant Hephastor! We have known each other for nearly 20 years. I remember when we first joined the Chapter, and had our grey armour painted glorious Ultramarine blue! You have risen to lead a squad of hardened veterans - true guardians of the Emperor's Galaxy - and I have risen to the rank of Company Captain. Surely you would not begrudge me to fight along side an old friend?
"I'm afraid not sir, I cannot allow it."
"Whatever for, Brother-Sergeant?"
"You... you don't have a Plasma Pistol sir. I'm sorry, but we Hellblasters are a unique breed. Sometimes our guns explode and kill us, so we come back to life briefly to fire our exploded guns before dying again, and the thought of having someone join us who doesn't have a Plasma Pistol just... it's just unconscionable, sir!"
"Uhh... go back a bit. Did you say come back to life?"
"Again, I apologise Brother-Captain, but we cannot speak until you have a Plasma Pistol. Which means you'll have to give up the shield and sword you've been using for years as well, because you can only have a Power Fist if you have a Plasma Pistol."

This is a silly game.

**bullyboy**

Scouts with 2 wounds
I guess new scouts coming too?

**Santtu**

Kanluwen wrote:
Not gonna lie, I would rather that Shrike not have been able to join anyone than to be hucked into the Assault and Vanguard Veterans.

Especially since Shrike's Wing is illegal now.

**Trickstick**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Meanwhile... I'm re-posting this here because I find it amusing:

Could they truely be lead by a commander who knows nothing of their hazardous struggle?

**Mixzremixzd**

Seems doubly weird cause the Primaris Lt doesn't have the same leader wargear-to-unit restrictions that the Captain has....we were so close to greatness.

**Daedalus81**

Voss wrote:
The predator annihilator seems shockingly bad. (Main gun is single shot, S14 is fine, as is reroll wounds, but... reroll damage roll of 1 is just bleh...*)

Definitely not a contender vs the Lancer though unless is like 60% the cost. Overall though there's so many good units. Vehicles stand out more, but they don't have Leaders so discerning value at a glance is tough.

And there's a very punishing secondary for leaning on vehicles too much.

**Sotahullu**

Whoa, Judiciar gives Fight First to unit it can join. Bladeguards are going to enjoy this.

**Daedalus81**

Altruizine wrote:
It's funny how every review of the Tyranid PDF was like, "Uhhh, Tyranids are a control army now, very special niche" and then the Marines list drops and they have every one of those abilities but also sheer brutal damage and defense.

Marines don't have bodies or full unit resurrection barring the contemptor. Breaking down the other differences will take a good while though.

**VladimirHerzog**

Altruizine wrote:
Also funny: CTRL-F "re-roll" 28 matches

(7 for the bugs!)

CTRL-F "add 1" 37 matches

(5)

Makes sense, Marines are an elite army, reflecting their effectiveness by giving them more reliable results fits them more than mindless bugs effectively remote-controlled by a single entity

**Daedalus81**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
Also funny: CTRL-F "re-roll" 28 matches

(7 for the bugs!)

CTRL-F "add 1" 37 matches

(5)

Makes sense, Marines are an elite army, reflecting their effectiveness by giving them more reliable results fits them more than mindless bugs effectively remote-controlled by a single entity

Also, I'm not sure a count is a good method here. A percentage might be better given the large number of datasheets.

**Voss**

bullyboy wrote:
Scouts with 2 wounds
I guess new scouts coming too?

Seems likely. And after seeing those ugly mugs on these cards, I really hope so. (though the templar neophytes weren't... great.)
I'm amused the scout special ability is swanning off.
They just leave the battle.

Daedulus81 wrote:
Definitely not a contender vs the Lancer though unless is like 60% the cost. Overall though there's so many good units. Vehicles stand out more, but they don't have Leaders so discerning value at a glance is tough.

And there's a very punishing secondary for leaning on vehicles too much.

I'm just (pleasantly) surprised at how much of the old marine stuff is good. Jump assault troops plowing in with mortal wounds, tacticals disengaging at will, devastators ignoring cover

**Nightlord1987**

My Scout army lives!! I'm excited for this edition. Haven't played Marines at all during 9th.

Wow, and with Scouts and Sniper Scouts having separate sheets I can double down. Shame Combat Squads are gone. Would love to MSU them.

**Crimson**

Slipspace wrote:
Unless there's some general rule still to be released, Reivers have a close combat weapon listed on their profile that they can't actually obtain. I'm pretty sure you're supposed to swap the combat knife/pistol for a carbine/CCW, but they neglected to say you get the CCW as well. So if you have carbine-armed Reivers they don't have any close combat attacks, according to their own datasheet.

Assault marines seem to suffer from the same. If they take a special weapon they will have no melee weapon at all.

**Aeneades**

Outpost Games in the UK have just been advised that their allocation has been reduced to 25% of what was expected from discussions earlier in the week. They had already allocated almost all the stock using an interest register so will now be cancelling the vast majority of those orders.

We are regretfully finding ourselves in a far too familiar situation today. After months of being told that all the stock issues we were having on Games Workshop new releases were in aid of 10th Edition being a faultless launch with plenty of stock. This has turned out to have been in vain.
All the information and promises of available stock until late last night indicated stock levels would be fine and we would get everything we ordered. There was no indication that there would be any stock shortages, we were even encouraged to up our numbers as recently as Tuesday. Here is the unadulterated and transparent series of events and the outcomes of such.

We finalised our request for enough units last night to cover 100% of interest list demand and have enough for general sale at 10am on Saturday for pre orders. At no point during these discussions was any indication made that there was likely to be stock shortages. As you can observe for yourselves through Games Workshop’s marketing, incredibly large volumes of stock were purported to have been made.
This morning Games Workshop emailed to tell us we would be receiving exactly 33.33% of what we asked for and this is less than 25% of the numbers given to us which would be considered “no problem”. Up until this point, the only indication of any delays would be that over a certain volume, deliveries of stock to us, may need to be split across multiple days. Additionally, as of our latest conversation with Games Workshop, there are no current plans to provide additional stock to retailers. We have spoken to several independent retailers, and they are all in the same position to a greater or lesser extent.

We honestly have no words. We apologise that we will not be able to fulfil our promise to you all being able to get the stock you requested.

**tneva82**

Weren't gw pretty much againstpre-pre-order? Possible gw went bit of "don't do that"? Or has gw loosened attitude on that?

**Tsagualsa**

Aeneades wrote:
Outpost Games in the UK have just been advised that their allocation has been reduced to 25% of what was confirmed earlier in the week. They had already allocated almost all the stock using an interest register so will now be cancelling the vast majority of those orders.

We are regretfully finding ourselves in a far too familiar situation today. After months of being told that all the stock issues we were having on Games Workshop new releases were in aid of 10th Edition being a faultless launch with plenty of stock. This has turned out to have been in vain.
All the information and promises of available stock until late last night indicated stock levels would be fine and we would get everything we ordered. There was no indication that there would be any stock shortages, we were even encouraged to up our numbers as recently as Tuesday. Here is the unadulterated and transparent series of events and the outcomes of such.

We finalised our request for enough units last night to cover 100% of interest list demand and have enough for general sale at 10am on Saturday for pre orders. At no point during these discussions was any indication made that there was likely to be stock shortages. As you can observe for yourselves through Games Workshop’s marketing, incredibly large volumes of stock were purported to have been made.
This morning Games Workshop emailed to tell us we would be receiving exactly 33.33% of what we asked for and this is less than 25% of the numbers given to us which would be considered “no problem”. Up until this point, the only indication of any delays would be that over a certain volume, deliveries of stock to us, may need to be split across multiple days. Additionally, as of our latest conversation with Games Workshop, there are no current plans to provide additional stock to retailers. We have spoken to several independent retailers, and they are all in the same position to a greater or lesser extent.

We honestly have no words. We apologise that we will not be able to fulfil our promise to you all being able to get the stock you requested.

Splendid, just wonderful. Very hard to read this as anything but GW fething over independent retailers on the 11th hour, on purpose.

**Aeneades**

tneva82 wrote:
Weren't gw pretty much againstpre-pre-order? Possible gw went bit of "don't do that"? Or has gw loosened attitude on that?

The stores use the term Interest Lists instead as a get around. There are a few in the UK that are doing it.

**Dudeface**

Aeneades wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Weren't gw pretty much againstpre-pre-order? Possible gw went bit of "don't do that"? Or has gw loosened attitude on that?

The stores use the term Interest Lists instead as a get around. There are a few in the UK that are doing it.

The wheels seem to be coming off the 10th roll out stock wise, but this is similar to how indomitus went iirc.

**The Phazer**

bullyboy wrote:
Scouts with 2 wounds
I guess new scouts coming too?

Already quite heavily rumoured that the next Kill Team box has new Marine scouts as one faction.

**Altruizine**

Daedalus81 wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
Also funny: CTRL-F "re-roll" 28 matches

(7 for the bugs!)

CTRL-F "add 1" 37 matches

(5)

Makes sense, Marines are an elite army, reflecting their effectiveness by giving them more reliable results fits them more than mindless bugs effectively remote-controlled by a single entity

Also, I'm not sure a count is a good method here. A percentage might be better given the large number of datasheets.

Only if you're trying to answer the question "does the edition entire have less re-rolls?" Right now I'm just thinking of "which of these two armies seems easier/better to succeed with?" You aren't compelled to take one of everything per battle.

**Daedalus81**

Tsagualsa wrote:
Splendid, just wonderful. Very hard to read this as anything but GW fething over independent retailers on the 11th hour, on purpose.

Or the level of pre-orders from other stockists were so high that GW had to go back and revise to spread the allocation more equally? Probably shouldn't jump the gun based on one location.

**Tsagualsa**

Dudeface wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Weren't gw pretty much againstpre-pre-order? Possible gw went bit of "don't do that"? Or has gw loosened attitude on that?

The stores use the term Interest Lists instead as a get around. There are a few in the UK that are doing it.

The wheels seem to be coming off the 10th roll out stock wise, but this is similar to how indomitus went iirc.

Depending on how wideswept an issue that is, stuff like this is how you get investigated by free trade authorities. While cancelling orders etc. is no crime and happens all the time, manipulating markets, making fraudulous offers that you don't intent to actually follow up on, misleading buisness partners so that they make offers they can't complete and so on are prohibited practices in many jurisdictions and can easily lead to costly intervention by the authorities if you use such tactics blatantly, and repeatedly.

**Da Butcha**

tneva82 wrote:
Weren't gw pretty much againstpre-pre-order? Possible gw went bit of "don't do that"? Or has gw loosened attitude on that?

The problem is, at least in the US, that FLGS have to have their preorders in to GW days before actual preorders go live. So they absolutely need to know how many people would like to preorder the game, before you can preorder the game. It doesn't matter what GW wants to call it, short of sending a psyker to every FLGS to foretell their sales numbers, the FLGs have to have a pre-pre-order order.

**Voss**

Can we not clutter the news thread with backseat trade policing?

**Insectum7**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't start building double-Melta Jump units until the real Codex/datasheets come out.

I'm doing it anyways because I can use them whenever I play 2nd ed.

**Dudeface**

Voss wrote:
Can we not clutter the news thread with backseat trade policing?

It is relevant to the release of the launch box.

**Tsagualsa**

Voss wrote:
Can we not clutter the news thread with backseat trade policing?

Major retailers losing so much of their alloted product that they have to cancel on customers, a day before GW preorders go live, is, if nothing else, literally news, and pretty relevant.

**Gert**

I don't see how it's criminal though.

**catbarf**

Altruizine wrote:
Only if you're trying to answer the question "does the edition entire have less re-rolls?" Right now I'm just thinking of "which of these two armies seems easier/better to succeed with?" You aren't compelled to take one of everything per battle.

Assuming that Marines will be OP because they get more re-rolls strikes me as no different from assuming Marines will be OP because they get more T and W on their infantry and hit on better values.

It's meaningless without points.

**tneva82**

Aeneades wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Weren't gw pretty much againstpre-pre-order? Possible gw went bit of "don't do that"? Or has gw loosened attitude on that?

The stores use the term Interest Lists instead as a get around. There are a few in the UK that are doing it.

Yea but regardless of term it's still pre-pre-order. Wondering if this is gw's way of stinging those who do it too openly.