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 totalfailure wrote:
It does, in fact, prove something - people were going to be eager to get on here and bash away regardless of what happened with this launch. Sells out in minutes ‘See, I told you GW is evil and doesn’t care about its customers’. Same person if it was still on sale two weeks from now - ‘See, I told you tenth was going to be a total flop’.

Yep.

People would complain even if gw offered free army to everybody each month.

As with most things in life, it's not as black or white as people on the internet want to make it!

Good = queue system to limit scalpers / direct from GW available online for at least a few hours in pretty much every location.

Bad = reports of very late lowered allocation for 3rd parties after being told "more than enough" / most 3rd party websites crashed (not GW's fault).

On balance, even the biggest critics have to admit it's cleared the extremely low bar of the last few months of limited releases.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What exactly are you rubbing in?

That it's nearly 24 hours after initial release in the UK and its still in stock over here while the USA sold out within a few hours.
Obviously the logistics of it are different what with it being easier to store more stock in the UK and the comparatively smaller population but its still a bit disappointing for the yanks.
And as for the rest of the rant, I'm not trying to prove anything. People want Levisthan and were worried for weeks that they wouldn't be able to get it. Here we are at 8am the day after pre-orders went live and it's still in stock for UK peeps.
I feel that is something people should know, don't you?

people are angry because they can only buy it at full price, which is usually a little to much for most (as the mantra for GW is, not worth for MSRP but so much value at 20% off)

and all 3rd party stores here sold out, while still in stock with GW but the fact that the stores did not get as many boxes as they wanted is a conspiracy made up by the stores to increase fomo I guess?

Or stores not implementing queue and allowing single custoder buy 20+ boxes at once

Only limited # of customers able to buy at once and then 1 box and then wait hour is obviously going to slow sold out status.

you have any proof that 3rd party stores sold all the boxes they got to a single person?

specially as stores replaced that queue system with a pre-order reserving list, which is effectively the very same as a queue but easier to handle for those having a physical store in combination with an online store

Removed - rule #1 please

 kodos wrote:
you have any proof that 3rd party stores sold all the boxes they got to a single person?

specially as stores replaced that queue system with a pre-order reserving list, which is effectively the very same as a queue but easier to handle for those having a physical store in combination with an online store

Not to single customer no but i know many who bought 3-4 and checked several stores(which sold out fast) that they had no limit on box you can buy at once.

Compare to gw who sold 1 customer 1 ever 1 hour or so.

You really think not allowing everybody to buy at once and limiting single customer buy 1 at once has no effect on speed sales happen? Lol.

Whether a given online store received 1, 5, 10 or 1,000 units to sell? They’d still have sold out super quickly. So it’s all academic.

Wayland mentioned selling to thousands of customers in their FB post. So yeah some of these stores are ordering BIG volumes of sets.

As for the USA running out faster than most other territories, it strikes me that is simply GW having its normal stock issues with the USA. It might be that the USA is simply too big for GW and whilst GW expanded, the Pandemic market expansion totally swallowed all that up and more.

It might also be that the US market operates differently and might be harder to forecast sales volumes for. It might be that GW did all the same market research as in other territories; allocated stock accordingly and the US still boomed way more than they predicted it would.

Or perhaps GW has a ship heading to the USA with a second wave of stock and in 1 weeks time their main store will get a fresh wave to put on sale.



I know multiple 3rd party stores did a 2 wave approach. Some might even have done more through the day and just quietly done it rather than announce it.






Also can we really spin this out for 2 weeks to keep us all occupied whilst we wait for the release to arrive?

 Overread wrote:
Also can we really spin this out for 2 weeks to keep us all occupied whilst we wait for the release to arrive?

Some people will try, I'm sure.

We'll get more data sheets next week, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they're going to do with my armies. Fingers crossed some of them are handled well.

We'll get all we need to play next week. Could even run small tournament in weekend if feelimg adventurous.

24.6 is basically just a day to get hands on models.

Well according to Element games and numbers per client they had this on the preorder.

"Please note: This set is limited to 2 per customer, orders over this and multiple orders will be refunded. "

 Gert wrote:
People want Levisthan and were worried for weeks that they wouldn't be able to get it. Here we are at 8am the day after pre-orders went live and it's still in stock for UK peeps.
I feel that is something people should know, don't you?

Same here in Germany. I can even still find it on 3rd party retailers for 10% off.

My third part seller of choice, Kirton Games, still have some on the go.

https://kirtongames.co.uk/products/warhammer-40000-leviathan

They ran a customer survey beforehand asking punters to register an interest to try and ensure no regulars would be disappointed.

I was hoping it would gave sold out by now so I didn't keep being tempted. I've skipped on this box as I have Marines up the ying yang already, don't want Terminators out of scale with my Black Reach vintage force and have little interest in Soace Gribblies.

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:
you have any proof that 3rd party stores sold all the boxes they got to a single person?

specially as stores replaced that queue system with a pre-order reserving list, which is effectively the very same as a queue but easier to handle for those having a physical store in combination with an online store

Not to single customer no but i know many who bought 3-4 and checked several stores(which sold out fast) that they had no limit on box you can buy at once.

Compare to gw who sold 1 customer 1 ever 1 hour or so.

You really think not allowing everybody to buy at once and limiting single customer buy 1 at once has no effect on speed sales happen? Lol.

Most of the online stores here were limiting to 1 per customer, to the point where I wondered if it was part of GW's T&Cs.

Gap Games were 1 per customer and they went from 600+ to 300+ in a few seconds and then gone in a couple of minutes. I don't know how many they started with, but over 600 was what I saw when it first refreshed.

TheCombatCompany seemed like maybe they had less, I only saw numbers in the 10's before it sold out. But Gap Games took expressions of interest and when they were allocated significantly below the number of EOIs they put their entire stock up for preorder rather than giving it to the EOIs. TheCombatCompany took EOIs but when they were told their allocation from GW they said only EOIs up until the middle of last week would be honoured, and the rest went on the website for preorder.

I think those are the two biggest etailers out here, but a few other online stores I checked were similar stories, limit 1 per customer, allocation was smaller than the number of EOIs, what did hit the online stores was gone in seconds.

The official online store has stock, but this is Australia, where the RRP is $420AUD, which I imagine it puts a lot of people off. If I couldn't get it for 20+% off I wasn't going to buy it at all.

One per order/customer is a good way to try and stem the tide of madness and also try and serve as many customers as possible. Even if there isn't a single scalper, but everyone buys two that halves the number of customers who can at least get a box.

It can also knock out some of the lower level scalpers.
Pro/experienced scalpers will always find tools and ways to get around it however they can even if they just try and brute-force the site to break.

One nice thing about the GW store still having copies is that it somewhat limits scalpers reselling to less than GW's price (I'd say significantly less, because the GW online store preorder was the boards which is probably the most valuable of the preorder bonuses).

It would also be cool if GW did a MTO thing if they sold out, as that would also limit scalpers.

There will also be a fresh wave when the boxes start appearing and people who have physical copies and excess start selling off the spare parts.




Also technically GW will do made-to-order - through retail copies and 3 starter sets (or likely 3).
I think they only did it with indomitus because everything was very messed up then

My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

Looks like the gameboards have sold out so now if you order from GW you're just paying more for nothing.

Taking another spin through Index Astartes, and I think my least favorite thing (aside from Vanguard Veterans getting screwed over like Chosen) is that the Suppressor Squad actually became useful.

 Gert wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What exactly are you rubbing in?

That it's nearly 24 hours after initial release in the UK and its still in stock over here while the USA sold out within a few hours.
Obviously the logistics of it are different what with it being easier to store more stock in the UK and the comparatively smaller population but its still a bit disappointing for the yanks.
And as for the rest of the rant, I'm not trying to prove anything. People want Levisthan and were worried for weeks that they wouldn't be able to get it. Here we are at 8am the day after pre-orders went live and it's still in stock for UK peeps.
I feel that is something people should know, don't you?

I can still order Leviathan right now ( at least 10 listings like this ).




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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Most of the online stores here were limiting to 1 per customer, to the point where I wondered if it was part of GW's T&Cs.

1 per customer doesn't mean much unless they have a setup like GW did. Anyone doing more than 1 per customer is just a dinner bell for scalpers.

Well the flgs I work for wanted 60 boxes of Leviathan. We were assigned 39 which was just enough to give all those who pre ordered 1 box though the few who wanted 2 don’t get 2. Also meant we had none for the shelf.

I personally thought this launch went well. If you accept that GW will never have been able to make enough for everyone in the world who wanted one, the fact it was still available in the UK at 8am this morning (its OOS now) and after I had waited in the online queue for over an hour yesterday means they probably got the stock levels about right.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
I personally thought this launch went well. If you accept that GW will never have been able to make enough for everyone in the world who wanted one, the fact it was still available in the UK at 8am this morning (its OOS now) and after I had waited in the online queue for over an hour yesterday means they probably got the stock levels about right.

No, you have to angry and criticise GW, reason will not be tolerated!

I agree, huge launch and they would never satisfy everyone, they made real effort to combat scalpers and all the stuff in the box will be available elsewhere very soon. With all the issues they have been having recently this a big win for them and I bet whoever was project managing the launch is having a nice weekend!

And now sold out on the U.K. Store.

We may yet see more copies made available if GW go cancelling sneaky multiple orders.

No longer available in the UK from sometime in the afternoon of Sunday from GW's online store.

EDIT: Ignore, Mad Doc beat my typing speed.

EDIT #2: I just hope for all of us that have ordered from online stores that they get the allocation they need. I dread that email stating 'GW have screwed us over and only sent a tenth of what we ordered'

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I have my son today/this weekend so I didn't really care about pre-ordering. Just checked GW site, it referred to the English site where nothing about Leviathan was up. So I checked my usual German sites and but one they are sold out, too. German GW site has it still available, too. If I get a discount box, I get one, if I don't...eh, I never got to paint my old Nids, anyway. And my LGS had AoS 3.0 boxes for years, with extra diacou

What I'm actually bummed about is that I now get a notification about a queue and Leviathan in the US when trying to go on the GW site to look at 360 images (which is what I'm really interested in, to check the new Terminator proportions). Stupid phone browser.

Kutami has a good discount and apparently still stock of the German box. For 160 Euros free shipping it’s a very good deal

Edit:
…aaand it’s gone.

Yeah, it's where I preordered. German edition - because English one was already sold out. The worst that can happen is getting the preorder money back. I might give the Nids away to take from my pile of shame

I'm still bummed out that there's no 360 views of the new Termis on the website (unless that's just my phone). My CSM Termis will remain on their sprues unless I can get them to look like the new loyalists*. Except with bigger power fists, those pretty much staying about the same size instead of getting ridiculously big was a grave mistake. Terminator powerfists should make Tor Garadon weep with envy.



*and just like that I realized that I'm so out of touch with 40k lore since Rowboat Guilliman returned that I don't even know if those Termi dudes are "Firstborn" or Primaris

 Binabik15 wrote:



*and just like that I realized that I'm so out of touch with 40k lore since Rowboat Guilliman returned that I don't even know if those Termi dudes are "Firstborn" or Primaris

That's the newest addition to the lore, their are both. The new Terminators are explicitly a mix of firstborn and primaris