10th Edition Rumour Roundup - in the grim darkness of the far future, there are only power levels

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**tauist**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Tyran wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
That comment was a facetious comment.

hard to tell considering the constant bitching and moaning you've been spewing nonstop since reveals started

To be fair to HBMC, I think he has been complaining about the game since 3rd edition got released

yeah but before spoiler season it was bearable, now its giga turbo 2 electric boogaloo levels of complaining

You could always use Ingore list feature if it really grinds your gears?

**H.B.M.C.**

Daedalus81 wrote:
So either your complaint goes beyond the box thing or you're just making an issue out of this one, because you want to jump on the wagon and not consider ANY other factor.

There are no other factors. They're 2 in a unit because they're 2 to a box. I don't know why they didn't go 2-4, or 2-6 (both of which would still be box-based restrictions, BTW, but certainly less egregious ones), but that's the reason why they're 2 to a unit. It has nothing to do with their rules. And yes, Marines come 10 to a squad because it's kind of part of the fluff, and has been since as long as either of us have been playing.

Tyran wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
hard to tell considering the constant bitching and moaning you've been spewing nonstop since reveals started
To be fair to HBMC, I think he has been complaining about the game since 3rd edition got released

Sure do spend a whole lotta time discussing me rather than the things we're talking about.

**VladimirHerzog**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So if you bought the Tide of Spawn box back in the day you can just go get fethed? Or is there something I'm missing?

I guess? No more than people who bought X number of Hive Tyrants before the Rule of 3 showed up. Anyway, I concede. This discussion won't get anyone anywhere.

and i don't think fething over people that bought a box 16 years ago is such a big deal honestly.

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tauist wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Tyran wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
That comment was a facetious comment.

hard to tell considering the constant bitching and moaning you've been spewing nonstop since reveals started

To be fair to HBMC, I think he has been complaining about the game since 3rd edition got released

yeah but before spoiler season it was bearable, now its giga turbo 2 electric boogaloo levels of complaining

You could always use Ingore list feature if it really grinds your gears?

yeah, i did it before but it doesnt really change anything when people quote him

**Scottywan82**

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/?=#warhammer-40000
(if you're in the States, switch to british to see the files)

Chaos has crept into the downloads section (no Knights. I think the cards are mixed with Imps?)

Good God, what a train wreck those datasheets are. At least people can have all-cultist armies if they want. Silver lining, I suppose.

**Slipspace**

Daedalus81 wrote:

Complaining about box restrictions is utterly pointless. We've been limited to 10 marines in a lot of places for a very long time. That's ONE BOX. OH NO! So either your complaint goes beyond the box thing or you're just making an issue out of this one, because you want to jump on the wagon and not consider ANY other factor.

That's what I don't get. Regular troops unit sizes have been based on box restrictions for literal decades. I can see why GW may have wanted to restrict Spawn given that we saw units of 5 showing up in some armies towards the end of 9th and I suspect GW wants to see them take a bit more of a back seat to the actual Marines in a CSM army. Similarly, 1 Spawn was always this really weird inclusion in lots of CSM armies, acting as a dirt cheap objective holder and DS denier which - again - is probably not how GW wants them to be used. Switching the unit size to 2 helps alleviate those problems, though I'm not convinced 2-4 would have really been a problem. Still, I have no idea how anyone can get quite as worked up about it as HBMC. Like, chill the feth out man.

**EviscerationPlague**

Daedalus81 wrote:
If you recall where this started :

Thank God Spawn are capped at 2 models for a unit. Can you imagine the unintended interaction that could've happened otherwise?

Yeah and I pointed out they're really not that much stronger, so your reasoning isn't correct. Got anything else?

**tauist**

Oh yeah, hate it when that happens to me (on other forums)

Only solution is to unparticipate from a "corrupted" thread until moaning dies down.. the weather is great over here right now

**EviscerationPlague**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
That comment was a facetious comment.

hard to tell considering the constant bitching and moaning you've been spewing nonstop since reveals started

Aw I'm sorry someone hurt your feelings via pointing out the bad that's being done by the rules writers. You can go to Reddit or the official Facebook if you just want positivity so you feel your purchases are justified.

**tneva82**

Charax wrote:

Thank the Grandfather that we have the Biologis Putrifier to bestow Lethal Hits upon...checks notes just Plague Marines, who have that on most of theor weapons anyway. Good job dude. At least triggering on 5s is a plus

Plus? It's pretty good. Votann was bonkers　good 9e largely due to easy lethal hit's on 4/5's.

At least i would look at him for doubling efficiency of lethal hits. Melta's etc getting lethal hits would be just side effect.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos is here...

*cracks neck*

Let's see what they fethed up...

1. LOL @ T5 Doobie. I know that's not new, but it's still hilarious that he's T5.
2. Haarken can use his spear in melee! YAY!
3. Umm... no re-rolling to wound on Huron's Lightning Claw. Ok then...
4. Why can you give Undivided to Daemon Princes? And given he can't hide from anything anymore, he's basically dead turn 1, right?
5. Chaos Lord that takes paired Accursed Weapons gets no benefit, Terminator Lord that takes paired Accursed Weapons gets Twin-Linked. Chaosistency!
6. No. Fething. Jump. Pack.
7. I guess the Mechadrendrites on the Lord Discordand don't mean anything anymore...
8. Nope. They don't. Warpsmith lost his extra attacks as well. Loyalists kept their Tech-Marine extra weapons though...
9. And he has to have a Plasma Pistol. x2
10. Oh good. The Exalted Champ is back to being that one choice with zero options. x3
11. So Legionaires get to be 4-9, but not Tactical Marines. Sure.
12. "Duplicates are not allowed". Oh buzz off GW.
13. Still with these pants-on-head stupid Terminator weapon restrictions. 3 fists, one Chainfist... make it stop!!!
14. Holy Crap! Chaos Chosen actually get to use the Power Fist that's on the sprue, and taking a second accursed weapon gives you twin-linked... unlike the Chaos Lord. Chaosistency!
15. Venom Crawler got worse at melee, but better at shooting.
16. Still no bloody Lightning Claws on the Raptor Champ...
17. Raptors can take twice as many special weapons as before now. Weirdly, my original Raptor unit with 3 Meltaguns and 1 Plasma Pistol is suddenly legal!
18. Heh. Oblits are 2 to 4 now. Guess they ain't getting a new kit...
19. And suddenly the Ectoplasma Cannons are more dangerous than the Hades Autocannons. Sure...
20. Hey look, Traitor Guardsmen and Beastmen as part of the general rules. That's nice.

The detachment rule just doubles down on the really strange faction rule, and... no Daemon Weapons. Just gone. Completely gone.

You missed that the Chaos Terminator Lord also has a Power Fist listed in his weapon stats but cant take a Power Fist in his options.

**H.B.M.C.**

Slipspace wrote:
Still, I have no idea how anyone can get quite as worked up about it as HBMC. Like, chill the feth out man.

The only thing I'm worked up about is Daed's insistence that it's not box-related.

**Daedalus81**

@Vladimir I get the frustration, but that's too far.

**EviscerationPlague**

Slipspace wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

Complaining about box restrictions is utterly pointless. We've been limited to 10 marines in a lot of places for a very long time. That's ONE BOX. OH NO! So either your complaint goes beyond the box thing or you're just making an issue out of this one, because you want to jump on the wagon and not consider ANY other factor.

That's what I don't get. Regular troops unit sizes have been based on box restrictions for literal decades.

Absolutely false. You're forgetting how Platoons worked, how Skitarii were initially brought in, CSM going up to 20, etc.
Quite frankly I'm just waiting for it to happen to Death Guard with a minimum unit of 7.

**H.B.M.C.**

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
You missed that the Chaos Terminator Lord also has a Power Fist listed in his weapon stats but cant take a Power Fist in his options.

Oh really? Hmm... 'cause that's part of the kit, right?

*checks*

Yeah, it is.

Odd mistake.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
You missed that the Chaos Terminator Lord also has a Power Fist listed in his weapon stats but cant take a Power Fist in his options.
Oh really? Hmm... 'cause that's part of the kit, right?

*checks*

Yeah, it is.

Odd mistake.

GW being GW.

**Scottywan82**

So no special weapon restrictions on Traitor Guard, but I don't expect that to last.

Weirdly, the cultists for TSons and DG are both limited to pistols and CCWs like their box, but allowed to take special weapons that aren't in it.

And all the CSM mainstay units continue to have stupid, arbitrary weapon restrictions. What a waste.

**Slipspace**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

Complaining about box restrictions is utterly pointless. We've been limited to 10 marines in a lot of places for a very long time. That's ONE BOX. OH NO! So either your complaint goes beyond the box thing or you're just making an issue out of this one, because you want to jump on the wagon and not consider ANY other factor.

That's what I don't get. Regular troops unit sizes have been based on box restrictions for literal decades.

Absolutely false. You're forgetting how Platoons worked, how Skitarii were initially brought in, CSM going up to 20, etc.
Quite frankly I'm just waiting for it to happen to Death Guard with a minimum unit of 7.

In all cases the minimum size was based on the models in the box, not necessarily the maximum size. The number of models in a box has been informing unit restrictions in some way for decades.

**VladimirHerzog**

Daedalus81 wrote:
@Vladimir I get the frustration, but that's too far.

yeah, my bad, i'll chill out

**VictorVonTzeentch**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
You missed that the Chaos Terminator Lord also has a Power Fist listed in his weapon stats but cant take a Power Fist in his options.
Oh really? Hmm... 'cause that's part of the kit, right?

*checks*

Yeah, it is.

Odd mistake.

Oh and when Chosen take Combi-Weapons they replace their Bolt Pistols, not their Bolters.

**EviscerationPlague**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
You missed that the Chaos Terminator Lord also has a Power Fist listed in his weapon stats but cant take a Power Fist in his options.
Oh really? Hmm... 'cause that's part of the kit, right?

*checks*

Yeah, it is.

Odd mistake.

It's an Exalted Weapon or whatever of course!

**bullyboy**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Slipspace wrote:
Still, I have no idea how anyone can get quite as worked up about it as HBMC. Like, chill the feth out man.
The only thing I'm worked up about is Daed's insistence that it's not box-related.

Dude, I think you’re missing the point that it’s not all about a box restriction, it’s about the unit being capped at 2 instead of allowing it to go up to 4 like Oblits that are also limited to just 2 a box. Why are you not seeing that?

**Lord Damocles**

Those 24" range autopistols on Death Guard cultists...

Yet vanilla cultists have ACTUAL AUTOPISTOLS

**ZergSmasher**

Some of those mistakes are typos and accidental omissions that GW will fix in a day 1 FAQ or Designer's Commentary or something. There were some strange inconsistencies in the Marine stuff too. Let's just wait and see.

**Not Online!!!**

Lord Damocles wrote:
Those 24" range autopistols on Death Guard cultists...

Yet vanilla cultists have ACTUAL AUTOPISTOLS

Damn, and i though 30k militia autopistols were good,

GW QA strikes again, and by striking again i mean obviously not existing at all

**Lord Damocles**

Sad to see the Cultist Firebrand is still out of work as well, despite being right there in the box...

**Loopstah**

Lord Damocles wrote:
Sad to see the Cultist Firebrand is still out of work as well, despite being right there in the box...

It's now a flamer.

**ph34r**

I got as far as Abaddon and the Enhancements.

Enhancements are basically 1 'relic' for each god and an undivided book. Very very boring.

Abaddon is less toughness than a space marine Gravis captain. Abaddon can join terminators and legionnaires, but not Chosen.

Very dumb.

**EviscerationPlague**

ph34r wrote:
I got as far as Abaddon and the Enhancements.

Enhancements are basically 1 'relic' for each god and an undivided book. Very very boring.

Abaddon is less toughness than a space marine Gravis captain. Abaddon can join terminators and legionnaires, but not Chosen.

Very dumb.

You don't understand though. There might be an unintended interaction if Abby could join Chosen!

**Dudeface**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
ph34r wrote:
I got as far as Abaddon and the Enhancements.

Enhancements are basically 1 'relic' for each god and an undivided book. Very very boring.

Abaddon is less toughness than a space marine Gravis captain. Abaddon can join terminators and legionnaires, but not Chosen.

Very dumb.

You don't understand though. There might be an unintended interaction if Abby could join Chosen!

They don't want abby getting fall back/advance and charge?

**bullyboy**

So game not even released and I’m already at that point….

1. The pdf of data sheets is to cumbersome to really use in game.
2. The cards, while useful, will probably be expensive (because GW) and will already need corrections.

Enthusiasm for edition is like a damn roller coaster ride.