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Dudeface wrote:
They don't want abby getting fall back/advance and charge?

As well as the cost of protecting him when Abby can toss a 4++ onto Chosen and get most of the way to termie durability and teaming up with a MoE to grant full rerolls to hit and (eventually) wound without Abby needing to switch off from his 4++.




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 bullyboy wrote:
So game not even released and I’m already at that point….

1. The pdf of data sheets is to cumbersome to really use in game.
2. The cards, while useful, will probably be expensive (because GW) and will already need corrections.

Enthusiasm for edition is like a damn roller coaster ride.

I'm with you on #1. Finding information is difficult and searching isn't simple with the keyword scattering. A table of contents would help immensely. I'm going to get some printed and laminated locally instead of buying them and replace individuals as needed.

Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

What do you mean?

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

you are going to need that anyway
or do you think GW will update the pdfs and not just releasing an additional document with the changes

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

What do you mean?

I think they mean someone "That F**ing Guy" who brings printouts of cards which have been beneficially edited for themselves.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

What do you mean?

Well it would be pretty trivial to change a stat before printing off the card, and showing little timmy that your catachans really are t4.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

What do you mean?

Cheating by presenting manipulated, home-printed cards probably.

Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

In the context of tournaments, that can be solved by cards getting provided as part of the tournament package and by the TO. In clubs, not so easy.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

What do you mean?

Probably TFG using photoshop to edit a card. Once found out, it's a quick way to get blacklisted from a shop or gaming circle.

 bullyboy wrote:
So game not even released and I’m already at that point….

1. The pdf of data sheets is to cumbersome to really use in game.
2. The cards, while useful, will probably be expensive (because GW) and will already need corrections.

Enthusiasm for edition is like a damn roller coaster ride.

Laughs in ASOIAF and taps the "first time" meme.

Double so for the comments regarding each unit having it own special rules!

At least you don't have a constantly updating deck of tactics cards.....yet

 kodos wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

you are going to need that anyway
or do you think GW will update the pdfs and not just releasing an additional document with the changes

They outright said they were going to update the PDFs with FAQs. Whether you believe them or not is up to you.

You could be quite subtle about it, like removing a "wholly" from "wholly within" in a rule, or something. If ever found out, you just play the old "oh they must have changed it at some point".

Obviously harder in tournaments, but some people love cheating to win pickup games. TFG is a thing for a reason.

 bullyboy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
Still, I have no idea how anyone can get quite as worked up about it as HBMC. Like, chill the feth out man.

The only thing I'm worked up about is Daed's insistence that it's not box-related.

Dude, I think you’re missing the point that it’s not all about a box restriction, it’s about the unit being capped at 2 instead of allowing it to go up to 4 like Oblits that are also limited to just 2 a box. Why are you not seeing that?

Yeah that stuck out to me too, esp as Spawn used to be able to be taken in larger squads than Oblits.

I own 20 Spawn.

 Insectum7 wrote:
I think they mean someone "That F**ing Guy" who brings printouts of cards which have been beneficially edited for themselves.

Oh...oh my...

 bullyboy wrote:
So game not even released and I’m already at that point….

1. The pdf of data sheets is to cumbersome to really use in game.
2. The cards, while useful, will probably be expensive (because GW) and will already need corrections.

Enthusiasm for edition is like a damn roller coaster ride.

litterally just print them

How about "my screamer killers are actually from a german hive fleet"?

Edit: idk, would you trade 2 wounds for 1 toughness? 10 is a decent break point for some things.

 Trickstick wrote:
You could be quite subtle about it, like removing a "wholly" from "wholly within" in a rule, or something. If ever found out, you just play the old "oh they must have changed it at some point".

Obviously harder in tournaments, but some people love cheating to win pickup games. TFG is a thing for a reason.

TFGs existing isnt a good reason to do/not do something IMO, they'll always exist anyway


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 Trickstick wrote:
How about "my screamer killers are actually from a german hive fleet"?

gonna go on a limb and assume that the english version is the official one

 Platuan4th wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Printing and making your own cards will probably be more practical than buying from GW.

I may just be paranoid, but I can imagine a new TFG trait appearing: the card editor.

you are going to need that anyway
or do you think GW will update the pdfs and not just releasing an additional document with the changes

They outright said they were going to update the PDFs with FAQs. Whether you believe them or not is up to you.

yeah, that is what I wrote, "update the pdfs with FAQs" does not mean "editing the cards to show the correct rules"

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
TFGs existing isnt a good reason to do/not do something IMO, they'll always exist anyway

Oh of course, but it is something that you have to be prepared for if it does happen to you.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
gonna go on a limb and assume that the english version is the official one

Yeah, I just found it funny.

 Trickstick wrote:
How about "my screamer killers are actually from a german hive fleet"?

Edit: idk, would you trade 2 wounds for 1 toughness? 10 is a decent break point for some things.

'My girlfriend is from Canada, she has T8 and Devastating Wounds'

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
How about "my screamer killers are actually from a german hive fleet"?

Edit: idk, would you trade 2 wounds for 1 toughness? 10 is a decent break point for some things.

'My girlfriend is from Canada, she has T8 and Devastating Wounds'

mood

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
TFGs existing isnt a good reason to do/not do something IMO, they'll always exist anyway

and the first thing we are going to see is tournaments not allowing any self printed rules at all


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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
gonna go on a limb and assume that the english version is the official one

there was a time when the german version was the most recent one and already included FAQ/Errata
not only in 40k but also in X-Wing and therefore preferred over English ones (until some people did not liked the changes and said that englisch ones got priority)

 kodos wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
TFGs existing isnt a good reason to do/not do something IMO, they'll always exist anyway

and the first thing we are going to see is tournaments not allowing any self printed rules at all

Who knows, maybe tournaments will also limit the allowed Detachments etc. - i see WD detachments and such being problematic, unless there is some sort of 'Annual' product planned that collects them.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
How about "my screamer killers are actually from a german hive fleet"?

Edit: idk, would you trade 2 wounds for 1 toughness? 10 is a decent break point for some things.

'My girlfriend is from Canada, she has T8 and Devastating Wounds'

mood

If I had my coffee, I would have spit it.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
TFGs existing isnt a good reason to do/not do something IMO, they'll always exist anyway

and the first thing we are going to see is tournaments not allowing any self printed rules at all

Who knows, maybe tournaments will also limit the allowed Detachments etc. - i see WD detachments and such being problematic, unless there is some sort of 'Annual' product planned that collects them.

Well we haven't even seen evidence those come rather than having to wait for codex.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So if you bought the Tide of Spawn box back in the day you can just go get fethed? Or is there something I'm missing?

I guess? No more than people who bought X number of Hive Tyrants before the Rule of 3 showed up. Anyway, I concede. This discussion won't get anyone anywhere.

and i don't think fething over people that bought a box 16 years ago is such a big deal honestly.

I know right? I mean what did you expect? That you would actually be able to use the models you paid money for? HA-HA! That was like over a year ago! Now go buy something new pleeb!

No Firing Deck on the Chaos Rhino either, and it appears they have transposed Vashtorr's sweep and normal attack on the datasheet.

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I got as far as Abaddon and the Enhancements.

Enhancements are basically 1 'relic' for each god and an undivided book. Very very boring.

Abaddon is less toughness than a space marine Gravis captain. Abaddon can join terminators and legionnaires, but not Chosen.

Very dumb.

You don't understand though. There might be an unintended interaction if Abby could join Chosen!

They don't want abby getting fall back/advance and charge?

Yeah that extra 3.5" to charge would be super broken vs the Legionaire squad granting rerolling all wounds on his melee weapons. Lemme guess, he can't join Havocs either because you're worried he'll not suffer modifiers on his gun?

OH and I forgot to add you can already give him Advance and Charge via the Slaanesh strat when attaching to a Slaanesh Terminator squad, but yeah I'm sure that's the main reason he can't go with Chosen, absolutely.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I got as far as Abaddon and the Enhancements.

Enhancements are basically 1 'relic' for each god and an undivided book. Very very boring.

Abaddon is less toughness than a space marine Gravis captain. Abaddon can join terminators and legionnaires, but not Chosen.

Very dumb.

You don't understand though. There might be an unintended interaction if Abby could join Chosen!

They don't want abby getting fall back/advance and charge?

Yeah that extra 3.5" to charge would be super broken vs the Legionaire squad granting rerolling all wounds on his melee weapons. Lemme guess, he can't join Havocs either because you're worried he'll not suffer modifiers on his gun?

OH and I forgot to add you can already give him Advance and Charge via the Slaanesh strat when attaching to a Slaanesh Terminator squad, but yeah I'm sure that's the main reason he can't go with Chosen, absolutely.

Eh, whatever, is what it is.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
No Firing Deck on the Chaos Rhino either, and it appears they have transposed Vashtorr's sweep and normal attack on the datasheet.

It's not on the WE or 1k Sons version either . Hopefully a typo, but could be intentional, the beleaguered warbands can't maintain the firing decks anymore