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JWBS wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I've been gawking at these some more, and while I still feel these are yet another Blood Bowl team cameo in KT21 (just as the Novitiates were), I figured I can salvage 5 sculpts from the Arbites kit, the rest are just too derp for me.

Also dawned on me that since I haven't yet built my Navy Breachers, these Arbites could perhaps be kitbashed with them.. to create more medieval looking Navy Breachers Or more hitech looking Arbites.. like, How would the arbites look with Navy Breacher helmets? etc They both got the Robocop visor.. I hope they are compatible scalewise (ie as tall as each other)

We've essentially only seen 1/3 of the options. If the riot shield / shotgun guy happen to be two of the models that you like, you can have both of those x10, with some favoured specialists thrown in too.

It's not about the loadout, its about the poses (and the outfit, to a degree)

Here are the 5 sculpts I find palatable, the rest are IMHO missing the mark (jut my opinion, YMMV as usual)

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No doubt there will eventually be GW Facebook poll on which is their best plastic dog.

Not a poll, but here you go. Yes, it was inevitable.

That was fun!

Plus...

Let’s be honest, none of these other dogs have the majesty or poise of the R-VR, so adopt your own when Kill Team: Soulshackle arrives next month.

Soulshackle next month...

Tomorrow is next month...

Soulshackle is out tomorrow!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Let’s be honest, none of these other dogs have the majesty or poise of the R-VR, so adopt your own when Kill Team: Soulshackle arrives next month.

Soulshackle next month...

Tomorrow is next month...

Soulshackle is out tomorrow!

It may shackle your soul in some shadowy vaults, but if you're going into the dark places of your mind you'll notice that the next month is 28 days long. I hope this gallowing doesn't make you fall.

A thought on the Arbites redesign, I agree it's more Space Knights than Space SWAT but there may be good reasons for that.

Without going into politics, police brutality is much more current issue these days and making the Arbites look realistic might be a bit uncomfortable.

(Tangent, I did not like the 2010s Judge Dredd film partly because it was too realistic, and lost the outrageous parody of Dredd walking around with his huge eagle shoulder pad and American shield belt buckle and everything. Once you make Dredd look like a motorcycle cop in a leather jacket you basically have an action hero cop, not a parody of action hero cops. /Tangent)

It's the same issue that Space Romans/Vikings/Knights hacking people up with chainsaws and yelling HERETIC is more acceptable than an army that looks more contemporary.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:


It may shackle your soul in some shadowy vaults, but if you're going into the dark places of your mind you'll notice that the next month is 28 days long. I hope this gallowing doesn't make you fall.

28 days! In a month? That's much too long to wait, they should shave some days from February. Maybe give them to the months named for Julius and August Caesar. Someone should talk to the Emperor about that.

The one with the mask and the daft hair is the one I dislike the most. I'm going to be doing some extensive cutting and reshaping to get the Arbites in more interesting poses.

That mask and daft hair dude actually reminds me of Space Marine Scouts somehow. They are an odd mismash of styles. OTOH this also means these will be great for kitbashing.

Yet, I find myself longing for anatomically correct looking renditions of Jes Goodwin Arbites sketches. Ohh they would be glorious!

 tauist wrote:
… I find myself longing for anatomically correct looking renditions of Jes Goodwin Arbites sketches. Ohh they would be glorious!

Are you claiming that the Goodwin pattern metal AA are not anatomically correct?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
A thought on the Arbites redesign, I agree it's more Space Knights than Space SWAT but there may be good reasons for that.

Without going into politics, police brutality is much more current issue these days and making the Arbites look realistic might be a bit uncomfortable.

(Tangent, I did not like the 2010s Judge Dredd film partly because it was too realistic, and lost the outrageous parody of Dredd walking around with his huge eagle shoulder pad and American shield belt buckle and everything. Once you make Dredd look like a motorcycle cop in a leather jacket you basically have an action hero cop, not a parody of action hero cops. /Tangent)

It's the same issue that Space Romans/Vikings/Knights hacking people up with chainsaws and yelling HERETIC is more acceptable than an army that looks more contemporary.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:


It may shackle your soul in some shadowy vaults, but if you're going into the dark places of your mind you'll notice that the next month is 28 days long. I hope this gallowing doesn't make you fall.

28 days! In a month? That's much too long to wait, they should shave some days from February. Maybe give them to the months named for Julius and August Caesar. Someone should talk to the Emperor about that.

Hmmmm. I suppose. I mean, I'm in my late thirties and fascistic future cops are as much a sci fi staple to me as.... well, modern day fascistic cops, to be honest. Reality is catching up, I guess, but with the sci fi cynicism replaced by blatant dumbness.

As for 2012 Dredd, I loved it. The comics haven't necessarily always been consistent in terms of the portrayal of Dredd and his world, either. The ridiculousness of the design was always complimented by the allegorical nature of the stories and plots, and frequently stood at odds with the darker and grittier stories. Something the Stallone film didn't seem to get was that Dredd as a character is NOT a superhero. There's nothing particularly special about him as a man (beyond the fact he's a clone), in a world stuffed full of freaks and weirdos and psychics and mutants, etc. What marks him out is that he ploughs into the absurd and uncompromising world he finds himself in with a similarly uncompromising attitude of his own. He is a physical manifestation of both the letter and spirit of the law. His superpower is, basically, stubbornness. It's literally the only reason he isn't dead. I thought the 2012 film captured that pretty well. He was a human being, with all the physical frailties that come with that fact. But he will not be broken. He will not stop. In that regard, he does have some heroic qualities. It's just that he operates under and as part of a fascistic system of oppression.

I do think GW could have got away with a little more Dredd influence on the new Arbites designs had they wanted to, but I get why they took another path. I agree partially that it was to perhaps avoid the more fascistic overtones and to avoid drawing comparisons with contemporary policing, either in the UK or the USA. So they went with a much more gothic look. And as different as it is, and as much as I understand those who wanted to see more of an update than a ground-up redesign, I still think it works.

Oh!

Oh!

Fightin’ Words right there!

But this isn’t the thread for it!

Dredd isn’t stubborn. At all. He’s campaigned for change when he’s witnessed The Law not resulting in Justice.

For his flaws, he’s not stubborn. Whether he personally agrees with a law or not? He follows it. If he genuinely feels it’s unjust, he’ll challenge it, through the proper channels. When the Democracy Movement was gathering steam? He gave them what they wanted. A democratic (genuinely) vote on whether to return to it. Justice Department won, because as Dredd predicted, most Cits just….don’t care.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For his flaws, he’s not stubborn. Whether he personally agrees with a law or not? He follows it. If he genuinely feels it’s unjust, he’ll challenge it, through the proper channels. When the Democracy Movement was gathering steam? He gave them what they wanted. A democratic (genuinely) vote on whether to return to it. Justice Department won, because as Dredd predicted, most Cits just….don’t care.

Even more recently (ten years or more now, oh...) he successfully fought to get mutants the right to live in Mega-City One. He's mellowing in his old age...

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Dredd.

And like Batman, he just works for anything. Fight giant apes this week, do a noir drug investigation next week, take on an interdimensional demon the week after.

But there's always a air of absurdity about him and part of the joke is he does not realize it.

Just so long as everyone's in on the joke...

 kendoka wrote:

 tauist wrote:
… I find myself longing for anatomically correct looking renditions of Jes Goodwin Arbites sketches. Ohh they would be glorious!

Are you claiming that the Goodwin pattern metal AA are not anatomically correct?

I dont think I have those? All I have (left) is this metal torso.. comparing it to contemporary plastics tells me the heads are massive, hands unnecessarily large, thighs on the skinny side.. How's the scale on the ones you speak? Still tall enough?

That one there is one of the second-string fnatic type of thing isn't it? ie Necro Enforcer that we all used to lump in with Arbites (except Arbite connoisseurs ofc they weren't so sloppy) but didn't look as good and turned out to be the result of a programme that put trainee sculptors to work doing Specialist games until they graduated to the main business. I seem to remember this one with a maul + shield (probably pistol option) and the other choice was a bald and pointing to his right with a very high, awkward-looking aim.

Fanatic minis at the time were things that had been made but weren't going to get a general release (for one way or another).

So those are Arbites - through and through - but were released as "Enforcers".

I've got a couple "squads" of them. They're nice, even if a little fragile from the completely flat contact points for the parts, especially the hands with the power mauls.

JWBS wrote:
That one there is one of the second-string fnatic type of thing isn't it? ie Necro Enforcer that we all used to lump in with Arbites (except Arbite connoisseurs ofc they weren't so sloppy) but didn't look as good and turned out to be the result of a programme that put trainee sculptors to work doing Specialist games until they graduated to the main business. I seem to remember this one with a maul + shield (probably pistol option) and the other choice was a bald and pointing to his right with a very high, awkward-looking aim.

Honestly I liked them and wish I'd gotten more when I could. One great thing from that wave of Specialist Games models is they had empty hands and sprues of weapons making converting a breeze.

 Paymaster Games wrote:
I love this so much, i just hope on the weapons they have is grenade launcher so i can use my old unit that is in storage right now.

This is starting to look like the Agents of the Imperium may be getting a full army, if you add in the other micro factions, like the Inquisition, Assassins, Navy and now Arbites together and give them access to basic transports like rhinos or something similar and/or Valkyries, you would have a full faction. What are your thoughts?

You are in luck, the new preview image shows at least one grenade launcher:



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/05/sunday-preview-skirmish-games-reign-supreme/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview05022023#gallery-1-1

Rather like that Grenade Launcher.

No idea if it’s at all practical, but it looks sweet.

There's a lot of fun potential if they get the more exotic old-school grenades in some fashion, halucinogenic, panic gas and such.

Haha are those chalk outline transfers for the Arbites

 xttz wrote:
Haha are those chalk outline transfers for the Arbites

on the bases? they seem to be hazard markings of some sort, fitting the industrial/shipborne feeling of the kill team bases.

Here:

I'm sorely tempted to pre order that for the scenery and Arbites. The Dark Eldar look crap though which is a real shame.

 xttz wrote:
Haha are those chalk outline transfers for the Arbites

They've been on most of the Gallowdark releases' bases, along with the little bits of debris.

I guess they didn't want to package the Void War bases with any of the units, but they're so much better. At a lot of angles in preview photographs, models have looked like they're on unpainted bare plastic.

 xttz wrote:
Here:

OK. That's great.

those transfers just won the internets

I hope they include one with three arms or something

I can't imagine where you'd use them, but that's pretty funny.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rather like that Grenade Launcher.

No idea if it’s at all practical, but it looks sweet.

Similar weapons have been around for a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manville_gun

Modern current version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkor_MGL

Maybe, but the model here just looks like the standard arbites shotgun with a glued on grenade canister and a different left arm holding the forward grip.

It kinda works, but also looks like it will get lost on the table and just look like another shotgun.