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 RedSarge wrote:
Calling it right now, the new Terminators are NOT multi-part kits. [Look at the waist/belt]

No, they’re almost certainly the ones from the starter. I’d imagine a full kit will follow though.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Y'know, when plastic Mk6 came out for HH I penned a theory that GW's plan was to slowly blend firstborn and primaris together until we can eventually pretend the split never happened. I imagined this would take 2-3 editions of Codex: Space Marines at least.

And here we are, not a year later, looking at sculpts that in official GW lore represent both Firstborn and Primaris individuals.

I think you've got it right...or close enough so as to not make much of a difference a very short time from now!

Terminators are drawn from a Chapter’s 1st Company, Space Marines who have proven themselves in battle time and time again. They can be veteran warriors who have fought for the Chapter for centuries or Primaris Marines who have joined more recently – either can wear a suit of Tactical Dreadnought armour if they’ve earned the right.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I like that they kept the style of Terminators but I'm curious if the size bump is accompanied by primarisized marines now also being able to use the armor.

Just properly scaled.

The original Terminators in Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed were titchy wee. 3rd - 9th we got improvements, but still on the diddy side,

These ones are looking to be Just Right.

Compared to Primaris? yes they are properly scaled even tho GW claim they are not "Primaris Terminators"...

Compared to firstborn? They are terribly scaled.

Also, if that kit is compatible with HH (as the rumour says), they now need to upscale Cataphractii and Tartaros kits which will look comically squatty.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm really cautious about the loss of the psychic phase.

Thousand Sons had a lot of neat stuff and flexibility going on so losing spell selection could be painful, but then not having to juggle as much stuff will be nice.

Also opponents being able to consistently rely on what my units do will make it easier for them and unintentional cheating less likely.

Net positive, I guess.

Psychic Phase didn't need to be a separate thing from the Command Phase.

I don't really disagree, but it seems like the whole concept of denials will be dead outside of wargear like psychic hoods.

I think that's a huge positive for psyker light armies going up against me. Their spells won't be dead in the water.

The nature of spells on sheets means less flexibility though, but as mentioned - better for everyone overall.

 Daedalus81 wrote:


The nature of spells on sheets means less flexibility though, but as mentioned - better for everyone overall.

Spells on sheets doesn't mean there won't be a faction specific spell list. AoS Wizards have spells on their Warscrolls, the generic spells, and 1(or more) selections from a Faction Spell list.

Maybe, but if they're sticking to the 1 or 2 sheets for the army it will be very difficult to fit the 24+ spells I can access. Stuff will have to get cut. I'm not particularly upset about it, but it will be a long 3 months. Hopefully they start teasing more next week.

 warboss wrote:
I like that they kept the style of Terminators but I'm curious if the size bump is accompanied by primarisized marines now also being able to use the armor.

In the live stream they say that Terminator Armor is now used by Primaris and First Born.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Maybe, but if they're sticking to the 1 or 2 sheets for the army it will be very difficult to fit the 24+ spells I can access. Stuff will have to get cut. I'm not particularly upset about it, but it will be a long 3 months. Hopefully they start teasing more next week.

24+ spells currently, I suspect that will get cut down to smite +1-2 others per card.

I hope Epic 30K will make it´s appearance later on this year.

Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Dudeface wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Maybe, but if they're sticking to the 1 or 2 sheets for the army it will be very difficult to fit the 24+ spells I can access. Stuff will have to get cut. I'm not particularly upset about it, but it will be a long 3 months. Hopefully they start teasing more next week.

24+ spells currently, I suspect that will get cut down to smite +1-2 others per card.

After a night of sleep I still like what GW is doing with 10th so far, however as a TS player I am a bit worried about the lack of a physic phase. Previously in 3rd -5th where physic powers were done in the normal phases other than a few outliers (doom, guide, lash of SL) the vast majority of physic powers were pointless or just inferior shooting to other options. I hope that they make physic shooting/combat actually good compared to normal shooting, especially if there is still a perils/deny mechanism. Also I hope there are more buff/debuff abilities that are useful then in previous editions so physic powers don't just become only more shooting (which was really what they were in most of 3rd-5th)

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Valrak said this.

He said the same source who told him about 10th Edition and the simplification of the new Rules in 40k, told him also about Epic.

 xeen wrote:

After a night of sleep I still like what GW is doing with 10th so far, however as a TS player I am a bit worried about the lack of a physic phase. Previously in 3rd -5th where physic powers were done in the normal phases other than a few outliers (doom, guide, lash of SL) the vast majority of physic powers were pointless or just inferior shooting to other options. I hope that they make physic shooting/combat actually good compared to normal shooting, especially if there is still a perils/deny mechanism. Also I hope there are more buff/debuff abilities that are useful then in previous editions so physic powers don't just become only more shooting (which was really what they were in most of 3rd-5th)

Yea I feel similarly.

Legitimately interesting times ahead.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Indeed, it was all from the same chunk of Valrak rumours:

New Video with stuff, mostly predicting what will be revealed at Adepticon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPkUt7_MXY

- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts
- 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts
- 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic
- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts
- Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition

Its from the 03/15 rumour batch https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/808533.page#11480203

John D Law wrote:
Whelp the Lions look definitely quashes the old urban myth that the Dark Angels were the “Native American” marines chapter. 🤔

Urban myth, nothing. That was explicit text in the Deathwing short story.

 RedSarge wrote:
Calling it right now, the new Terminators are NOT multi-part kits. [Look at the waist/belt]

By which you mean you can't pointlessly rotate the hips?


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If Primaris figured out how to wear Firstborn armour maybe they'll figure out how to squeeze into a Land Raider, too.

There now exist legal plastic models representing the same unit with like... TWO FEET of height difference (2nd ed plastic termies vs these). I think this release cements it for me that GW no longer uses a set scale in any meaningful capacity and you can just do a mishmash of whatever.

Lionel Johnson's model is not radically different from his current 30K model. I wonder if anyone would raise a stink about me just using the 30K model in my 40K games?

 RaptorusRex wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Whelp the Lions look definitely quashes the old urban myth that the Dark Angels were the “Native American” marines chapter. 🤔

Urban myth, nothing. That was explicit text in the Deathwing short story.

Spoiler:

I think what happened is the DW origin story was written, then a studio guy made some personal conversions, then the official studio scheme started incorporating the iconography and then they released the 90s metals that many are familiar with (timeline in spoilered images). Is it really thought to be urban myth or is that a joke? I've never heard this take before so I'm not sure.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Lionel Johnson's model is not radically different from his current 30K model. I wonder if anyone would raise a stink about me just using the 30K model in my 40K games?

If they are the same size I can't imagine anyone complaining.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I like that they kept the style of Terminators but I'm curious if the size bump is accompanied by primarisized marines now also being able to use the armor.

Spoiler:

In the live stream they say that Terminator Armor is now used by Primaris and First Born.

Thanks. Hopefully they'll confirm that in writing and the primaris won't get blatantly better weaponry than that of firstborn. On the plus side, I suppose my counts-as-Deathwing army just got a promotion to primaris then if they don't change weaponry.

edit: Took another look at warcom and it looks like they did also confirm it there as well in writing.

Terminators are drawn from a Chapter’s 1st Company, Space Marines who have proven themselves in battle time and time again. They can be veteran warriors who have fought for the Chapter for centuries or Primaris Marines who have joined more recently – either can wear a suit of Tactical Dreadnought armour if they’ve earned the right. Their armoury includes storm bolters, power fists, and the monstrously powerful assault cannon pictured here.

I dont think there are going to be Primaris Terminators or Firstborn Terminators, just a unit of Terminators.

Tsagualsa wrote:


Indeed, it was all from the same chunk of Valrak rumours

Seems he got a good chunk of the Adepticon stuff correct, so I guess Epic might actually be happening.

- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts
- 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts
- 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic
- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts
- Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition

This is why Valrak is such a weird source for rumours - like some of this stuff, bang on the money, but was really any of this a stretch to just.. guess at?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I dont think there are going to be Primaris Terminators or Firstborn Terminators, just a unit of Terminators.

Hopefully it'll be just a statline upgrade with all options available to both.

Finally after decades we get good Terminator models, no more skinny legs. And now we can pretend Aggressors never happened.

But watch them be 3 per box now that they've lowered everyone's standards again.

Goose LeChance wrote:
Finally after decades we get good Terminator models, no more skinny legs. And now we can pretend Aggressors never happened.

But watch them be 3 per box now that they've lowered everyone's standards again.

Terminators are a bit too iconic I think. I think a box like the Heavy Intercessors. From the descriptions and stream it sounds like they still plan to keep the basic and assault versions separate kits though.

Late to the party here and only managed to catch up after work...

Right! What have they done to my nids? Nothing! For 20 years I hoped for a redesign of these freaking cool creatures and what I got after the wait? Slight cosmetic tweaks! Really is that it?! Another couple decades of this? No way, if this is the most fast evolving race in the galaxy they sure don't evolve at all!

Smaller, slimmer, scarier and with natural looking bioweapons rather than holding silly guns with magazines on their hands, a ground up revamp is what I wished for a gaunt. Got none of that.

If the incoming nids are this level of "update" then I can say that Im already served with the old models and nu_nids are officially not something worth more of my time.
Not upset, even if I sound like it, just very disappointed at this Gigantic missed chance to take these alien creatures beyond 2001 concepts. Its been done to death for too long... just move.

The other releases were cool but I was really curious for these.
More exited with the add on sprue for the Votann KT to be honest. Which says a lot.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Late to the party here and only managed to catch up after work...

Right! What have they done to my nids? Nothing! For 20 years I hoped for a redesign of these freaking cool creatures and what I got after the wait? Slight cosmetic tweaks! Really is that it?! Another couple decades of this? No way, if this is the most fast evolving race in the galaxy they sure don't evolve at all!

Smaller, slimmer, scarier and with natural looking bioweapons rather than holding silly guns with magazines on their hands, a ground up revamp is what I wished for a gaunt. Got none of that.

If the incoming nids are this level of "update" then I can say that Im already served with the old models and nu_nids are officially not something worth more of my time.
Not upset, even if I sound like it, just very disappointed at this Gigantic missed chance to take these alien creatures beyond 2001 concepts. Its been done to death for too long... just move.

The other releases were cool but I was really curious for these.
More exited with the add on sprue for the Votann KT to be honest. Which says a lot.

it is wierd - constantly making different versions of marines but not the super fast evolving hive swarms.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Andykp wrote:


It used to be great mystery of the HH, who were the traitors, was it actually the lion and his buddies or was it Luther’s lot. But now thanks to the god awful HH books there are no mysteries left. Just a much worse story for it.

It was never a mystery. Luthor's Angels = Traitor, Lion's Angels = Loyalists has been one of the definitive statements in 40K since they first introduced the fall of Caliban.

Yeah, the 'mystery' came from the internet meme-ing after Gav Thorpe's Angels of Darkness novel featured a Fallen claiming that the loyalists were actually the bad guys. People jumped on it as gospel, and before long the internet was flooded with memes about DA being traitors. It was never really a thing in the DA back story, though. Just an in-universe comment from a Fallen that was taken way out of context.


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 warboss wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I dont think there are going to be Primaris Terminators or Firstborn Terminators, just a unit of Terminators.

Hopefully it'll be just a statline upgrade with all options available to both.

I really doubt there will be separate statlines. They'll just be terminators.

 insaniak wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I dont think there are going to be Primaris Terminators or Firstborn Terminators, just a unit of Terminators.

Hopefully it'll be just a statline upgrade with all options available to both.

I really doubt there will be separate statlines. They'll just be terminators.

That may or may not be forced to matter if we get mechanisms where the 'Primaris' keyword matters, but if that is the case of course remains to be seen.