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Dudeface wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I don't think Termagants get new bases. The picture from the latest Warhammer Community looks like 40mm bases for Terminators and 25mm bases for Termagants remain the default.

Complete aside?

But this pic pleases me in a certain way. Because the Terminators look like they’re perfectly capable of completely annihilating the Termagants, calmly and in a methodical manner, in just a single volley.

Between Oath of Moment and Fury of the First pushing them to 2+ w/re-rolls to hit and 16+6 shots, they really should. But that might be a waste of the Oath if there’s almost anything else on the field. At all.

They actually don't without Oath though after some quick maffs.

That's what I worked out too. Without knowing what "devastating Wounds" does for the Assault cannon, it looks like one round of shooting from the terminators will kill 7 termagants; with the OC rules, the three remaining Termagants can still hold an objective against the 5 terminators.

Actually sounds nice to me provided is a game wide drop in lethality and not a Terminator specific problem. That's the direction in which the game needs to move.

Not that shooting matters here. At this point they're in punching distance.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
At this point in time do we think revealing a small part of the new rulesets without sharing the full content and new context is a errrr pointless exercise?

We are talking about it, aren't we?

Exactly, GW did this deliberately. It's good marketing, in theory. If they released too much right now, before production is ready, people could burnout waiting. If they trickle small amounts of information, it reinvigorates people and piques interest. If the timing is too far off though, people will lose interest.

punisher357 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
At this point in time do we think revealing a small part of the new rulesets without sharing the full content and new context is a errrr pointless exercise?

We are talking about it, aren't we?

Exactly, GW did this deliberately. It's good marketing, in theory. If they released too much right now, before production is ready, people could burnout waiting. If they trickle small amounts of information, it reinvigorates people and piques interest. If the timing is too far off though, people will lose interest.

At this rate of reveals for 10th, 11th edition will arrive before they finish with 10th sneak leaks & reveals.

New 'nids does nothing for me but kindle the flame of hope that we'll finally get a Saint Praxedes model, fighting the hive fleets from within.

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

punisher357 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
At this point in time do we think revealing a small part of the new rulesets without sharing the full content and new context is a errrr pointless exercise?

We are talking about it, aren't we?

Exactly, GW did this deliberately. It's good marketing, in theory. If they released too much right now, before production is ready, people could burnout waiting. If they trickle small amounts of information, it reinvigorates people and piques interest. If the timing is too far off though, people will lose interest.

At this rate of reveals for 10th, 11th edition will arrive before they finish with 10th sneak leaks & reveals.

Even at 4 articles a week they had/have over 20 drops between adepticon and warhammerfest to cover some content in the launch box and some basic rules, since both will be revealed in full at the event. So not really? Pace seems OK to me and allows them to keep some stuff in the back pocket.

Dudeface wrote:

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

punisher357 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
At this point in time do we think revealing a small part of the new rulesets without sharing the full content and new context is a errrr pointless exercise?

We are talking about it, aren't we?

Exactly, GW did this deliberately. It's good marketing, in theory. If they released too much right now, before production is ready, people could burnout waiting. If they trickle small amounts of information, it reinvigorates people and piques interest. If the timing is too far off though, people will lose interest.

At this rate of reveals for 10th, 11th edition will arrive before they finish with 10th sneak leaks & reveals.

Even at 4 articles a week they had/have over 20 drops between adepticon and warhammerfest to cover some content in the launch box and some basic rules, since both will be revealed in full at the event. So not really? Pace seems OK to me and allows them to keep some stuff in the back pocket.

They're probably holding back on a lot of stuff because leaks have been kind of heavy this year, siloing the reveals is perhaps intended to reduce the severity of any given leak and to give them some backup stuff they can use to keep the hype going if any leaks should happen.

I won't be buying any Termigants if they are bigger than the current ones, who are already too big. That said, they fix the worst issue from the present range... ...their tails are not ramrod straight.

 kestral wrote:
I won't be buying any Termigants if they are bigger than the current ones, who are already too big.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/23/warhammer-preview-online-adepticon-the-hive-mind-evolves-the-horde/ article said that they are bigger than older ones.

I think its more that they are just a little taller in the hind leg with a back that crests rather than lays flat. If anything that comparison photo makes their heads look a little smaller. Same for guns and arms - but it could be a bit of photoshopping as it looks like two models grabbed and scaled on the base size instead of being photographed side by side.

 Overread wrote:
I think its more that they are just a little taller in the hind leg with a back that crests rather than lays flat. If anything that comparison photo makes their heads look a little smaller. Same for guns and arms - but it could be a bit of photoshopping as it looks like two models grabbed and scaled on the base size instead of being photographed side by side.

Yeah, I think 'bigger' can be a difficult comparison to make for miniatures made years or decades apart. Modern Citadel miniatures tend to be a lot finer, so parts like heads and hands often do shrink. A lot of miniatures are unambiguously taller than prior versions but that's also not clear cut with this kind of crouching or stooping pose. Those look like they'd fit in together okay to me, although I do think the base might be 28.5mm.

Greenfield wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think its more that they are just a little taller in the hind leg with a back that crests rather than lays flat. If anything that comparison photo makes their heads look a little smaller. Same for guns and arms - but it could be a bit of photoshopping as it looks like two models grabbed and scaled on the base size instead of being photographed side by side.

Yeah, I think 'bigger' can be a difficult comparison to make for miniatures made years or decades apart. Modern Citadel miniatures tend to be a lot finer, so parts like heads and hands often do shrink. A lot of miniatures are unambiguously taller than prior versions but that's also not clear cut with this kind of crouching or stooping pose. Those look like they'd fit in together okay to me, although I do think the base might be 28.5mm.

They look way to similar which is good for people that want to have more of them to go with their armies.
Personally theres little in this update for people looking for something different.

They look a bit taller, though their body is not as long as that of the current ones (and also crouched). I think they're fine and I'll get a box, but more probably for smaller games or Kill Team. For large broods I have enough of the 2nd edition models and the 1st edition Tyranids/Hunter-slayers.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Greenfield wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think its more that they are just a little taller in the hind leg with a back that crests rather than lays flat. If anything that comparison photo makes their heads look a little smaller. Same for guns and arms - but it could be a bit of photoshopping as it looks like two models grabbed and scaled on the base size instead of being photographed side by side.

Yeah, I think 'bigger' can be a difficult comparison to make for miniatures made years or decades apart. Modern Citadel miniatures tend to be a lot finer, so parts like heads and hands often do shrink. A lot of miniatures are unambiguously taller than prior versions but that's also not clear cut with this kind of crouching or stooping pose. Those look like they'd fit in together okay to me, although I do think the base might be 28.5mm.

They look way to similar which is good for people that want to have more of them to go with their armies.
Personally theres little in this update for people looking for something different.

For me they look definitely a lot better. I stopped buying most new Tyranid models in 3rd edition, Termagants among them. The current models aren't really detailed and were too large for their stats - so I continued use my old ones. As a lot of other models today are larger than back then, the size is now more tolerable. But I'd only buy the new ones.

Dudeface wrote:

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

punisher357 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
At this point in time do we think revealing a small part of the new rulesets without sharing the full content and new context is a errrr pointless exercise?

We are talking about it, aren't we?

Exactly, GW did this deliberately. It's good marketing, in theory. If they released too much right now, before production is ready, people could burnout waiting. If they trickle small amounts of information, it reinvigorates people and piques interest. If the timing is too far off though, people will lose interest.

At this rate of reveals for 10th, 11th edition will arrive before they finish with 10th sneak leaks & reveals.

Even at 4 articles a week they had/have over 20 drops between adepticon and warhammerfest to cover some content in the launch box and some basic rules, since both will be revealed in full at the event. So not really? Pace seems OK to me and allows them to keep some stuff in the back pocket.

I think they are doing basic rules change concepts on the lead up to Warhammer Fest, using examples from armies to illustrate. The core rules will become largely known at Warhammer Fest, so that is when they will pivot to talking about specific armies in the new edition.

That being said, I expect the examples giving from now to Warhammer Fest to be Adeptus Astartes and Tyranid Faction only. As the New Edition Release Factions, I expect they will be the ones people can experience the #New40K at events playing. So their rules will also be largely known after Warhammer Fest. They can use them as examples leading up knowing everyone will know them soon enough.

 NAVARRO wrote:
They look way to similar which is good for people that want to have more of them to go with their armies.
Personally theres little in this update for people looking for something different.

So the update is good for people who want Tyranid models, and not for those who, for some reason, want non-Tyranid models in the Tyranid faction?

Well, that's a relief.

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
They look way to similar which is good for people that want to have more of them to go with their armies.
Personally theres little in this update for people looking for something different.

So the update is good for people who want Tyranid models, and not for those who, for some reason, want non-Tyranid models in the Tyranid faction?

Well, that's a relief.

I think what I posted was pretty clear. Just in case you did not deliberately missed it.

If you want more of the same your covered with this refresh... If you have plenty of Gaunts this update will not make you go out of your way to get more.
Or do you think that collectors with hundreds of Gaunts would not jump in an hundred more if the models were different enough.

Besides the idea if you dont do the exact same freaking model its not Nid anymore is mind-blowing shortsighted. But there you have it.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:
For large broods I have enough of the 2nd edition models and the 1st edition Tyranids/Hunter-slayers.

For me they look definitely a lot better. I stopped buying most new Tyranid models in 3rd edition, Termagants among them. The current models aren't really detailed and were too large for their stats - so I continued use my old ones. As a lot of other models today are larger than back then, the size is now more tolerable. But I'd only buy the new ones.

If I was new to Nids I would wait and get the new ones for sure in box sets, theres a technology gap in these minis.
But since Im covered I will like yourself just cherry pick the new incoming stuff, potentially some new cool and more interesting models ahead.
Im a bit worried with the Pictures on the video for the Lictor since they look not particularly inspiring...

We now have 3 unique "unidentified" Hive Fleets/Splinters comin'. Here's the third.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
They look way to similar which is good for people that want to have more of them to go with their armies.
Personally theres little in this update for people looking for something different.

So the update is good for people who want Tyranid models, and not for those who, for some reason, want non-Tyranid models in the Tyranid faction?

Well, that's a relief.

I think what I posted was pretty clear. Just in case you did not deliberately missed it.

If you want more of the same your covered with this refresh... If you have plenty of Gaunts this update will not make you go out of your way to get more.
Or do you think that collectors with hundreds of Gaunts would not jump in an hundred more if the models were different enough.

Besides the idea if you dont do the exact same freaking model its not Nid anymore is mind-blowing shortsighted. But there you have it.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:
For large broods I have enough of the 2nd edition models and the 1st edition Tyranids/Hunter-slayers.

For me they look definitely a lot better. I stopped buying most new Tyranid models in 3rd edition, Termagants among them. The current models aren't really detailed and were too large for their stats - so I continued use my old ones. As a lot of other models today are larger than back then, the size is now more tolerable. But I'd only buy the new ones.

If I was new to Nids I would wait and get the new ones for sure in box sets, theres a technology gap in these minis.
But since Im covered I will like yourself just cherry pick the new incoming stuff, potentially some new cool and more interesting models ahead.
Im a bit worried with the Pictures on the video for the Lictor since they look not particularly inspiring...

Even if some “old” kits don’t change, I’m waiting to buy it all together with the new stuff. Chances are I can mix and match bits between old & new!

The painting level displayed by the Heavy metal team for nids is so much better now that the old schemes look almost like a new scheme.


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Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:


Even if some “old” kits don’t change, I’m waiting to buy it all together with the new stuff. Chances are I can mix and match bits between old & new!

I think some models will be inevitable in the sense that they will be widely available on most box sets.
So for Gaunts I expect them to be on the 3 starter box sets and then a year or so after on the Hachette magazine. The question will be if they will ever release a more complete / complex individual multipart regiment box set for Gaunts.
But the easy build Gaunt will be widely available and also probably cheap on eBay. Combat patrols, boarding patrols will have them too, making actualy hard not to get some by default.

In a surprising twist what we saw in the trailer weren't Lictors but Von Ryan’s Leapers

As ambush predators, they have much in common with Lictors, but rather than being lonewolves, these are pack-hunters.

So these are basically lesser Lictors that hunt in groups?

Wibble!

They look fun!


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And….I’m not sure these were mentioned in the “leaks”?

 Matrindur wrote:

So these are basically lesser Lictors that hunt in groups?

Funny enough, they're more related to Hormagaunts as far as fluff goes, they've been represented on a single card of the old Sabretooth CCG more than a decade ago

This is what I was afraid of. New things instead of updated old things.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is what I was afraid of. New things instead of updated old things.

It does not exclude the new Lictors incoming.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is what I was afraid of. New things instead of updated old things.

Some of the recent nid rumours mentioned a 'Viragon', which also appeared on a single Sabretooth CCG card, at that time being a Trygon variant...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

And….I’m not sure these were mentioned in the “leaks”?

Some leaks told about CC warriors so it may be them mistaken?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
It does not exclude the new Lictors incoming.

Doesn't include the possibility either.

I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

And….I’m not sure these were mentioned in the “leaks”?

Well, mistaking them for slightly smaller Lictors is a mistake i'd forgive people even if they were well-versed in tyranids

That being said, with them looking and presumably working like lesser Lictors, i'll guess we get a Killteam out of them?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
It does not exclude the new Lictors incoming.

Doesn't include the possibility either.

I mean, we assume those things in the trailer were updated Biovores. What if they're not?

You were also afraid that Termies are gone come with 3 man squads based on the video. I know that GW disappoints more often than not but hey, maybe this time Nids are gonna be on the safe side?

 Matrindur wrote:
In a surprising twist what we saw in the trailer weren't Lictors but Von Ryan’s Leapers

As ambush predators, they have much in common with Lictors, but rather than being lonewolves, these are pack-hunters.

Spoiler:

So these are basically lesser Lictors that hunt in groups?

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The mouths having both tentacles and mandibles really doesn't work for me.

Also, is it me or are they a little chunky? Looks like the Hive Mind needs to exercise them a little more.

That aside, my main concern is what niche they fill that isn't already filled by Lictors and such.