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Definitely looking like something to send up the board to infest a deep field objective and make a nuisance of themselves.

Interesting Synapse doesn’t render one immune to Battleshock though.

I wonder now if the Tervigon’s “Spawn Termagants” ability will actually just make that stratagem cheaper (or free) if applied exclusively to gaunt type units?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely looking like something to send up the board to infest a deep field objective and make a nuisance of themselves.

Interesting Synapse doesn’t render one immune to Battleshock though.

Hopefully they’ve made a decision to just not have whole armies switch off key parts of the game and this is merely the first sign. I also hope they stick to it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I wonder now if the Tervigon’s “Spawn Termagants” ability will actually just make that stratagem cheaper (or free) if applied exclusively to gaunt type units?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely looking like something to send up the board to infest a deep field objective and make a nuisance of themselves.

Interesting Synapse doesn’t render one immune to Battleshock though.

Hopefully they’ve made a decision to just not have whole armies switch off key parts of the game and this is merely the first sign. I also hope they stick to it.

I guess they don't even need to word it exclusively for Gaunts, it's tied to the ENDLESS MULTITUDE keyword already, and the only creatures with that we've seen so far are Termagants. I guess they'll use that sparingly.

Also: do i spy the 'chonkier spore mines' Valrak mentioned in that artwork?

They used the current genestealers for the card art. Do we read to far into that assume they’re not being updated? Or assume they’ll be part of a kill team and be released separately from the update, like flayed ones

On Endless Multitude and Tervigons?

Termagants, Hormagaunts, Gargoyles, and the new Neurogaunts featured in the Leviathan boxed set all have this keyword. For just a single Command point, you can bring back up to six fallen critters – or take advantage of your Synapse network to target two units at once, and resurrect up to 12 models in each of your turns! That’s a lot of wasted firepower for your opponent

Tervigon might only cast it on Termagants? (Edited for better wording)

*pours one out for Synaptic Link*

Goodbye one of the two best and fluffiest rule Tyranids have ever had...

 GaroRobe wrote:
They used the current genestealers for the card art. Do we read to far into that assume they’re not being updated? Or assume they’ll be part of a kill team and be released separately from the update, like flayed ones

Won't the Tyranid cards get replaced almost immediately anyway, when their Codex comes around in autumn? If the 'stealers get an upgrade at the same time they'll just put the new minis on the next iteration of cards.

Shadow in the Warp could be quite powerful, depending on opponent. Shutting down a bunch of units from scoring could potentially swing a game - or buy you a turn to rearrange forces for a concerted effort, without easily ceding VPs to your opponent.

 GaroRobe wrote:
They used the current genestealers for the card art. Do we read to far into that assume they’re not being updated? Or assume they’ll be part of a kill team and be released separately from the update, like flayed ones

It's up in the air. The Beast Snagga box's Ork Codex used the Finecast/metal Ork Kommando photos for the datasheet.

GW tends to hide new models if they're not up for release, even in Codices that will see those models come out later, so there's every chance there's a new Genestealer kit and we won't know about it until the Tyranid Codex is first revealed.

Every pic in the rulebook book will be the current models.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
They used the current genestealers for the card art. Do we read to far into that assume they’re not being updated? Or assume they’ll be part of a kill team and be released separately from the update, like flayed ones

It's up in the air. The Beast Snagga box's Ork Codex used the Finecast/metal Ork Kommando photos for the datasheet.

It might be that these are the index cards and new stealers come out with the codex hence won't be on the index card.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
GW tends to hide new models if they're not up for release, even in Codices that will see those models come out later, so there's every chance there's a new Genestealer kit and we won't know about it until the Tyranid Codex is first revealed.

Every pic in the rulebook book will be the current models.

Beat me to it.

Hell, if the Tyranid Codex came out, with all the new Tyranid models, but a new Genestealer kit was held back for a later KT release (for example), the new Tyranid Codex would probably still have photos of the old models.

I’m feeling enthused about Nids right now. Premature of course, as this could just be the Good Stuff and everything is….is…..James Corden.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hell, if the Tyranid Codex came out, with all the new Tyranid models, but a new Genestealer kit was held back for a later KT release (for example), the new Tyranid Codex would probably still have photos of the old models.

I have a feeling, with all the vast blank space we see in the cards so far, we are not being shown the actual cards yet. The cards seen so far have not been physical in nature, not in an actual hand, so computer generated. GW is holding back actual pics & info until June. I wouldn’t give any credence to current card “reveals” as they are intentionally misleading so not to spoil stuff to come. Imho.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m feeling enthused about Nids right now. Premature of course, as this could just be the Good Stuff and everything is….is…..James Corden.

Same. I particularly like how they're handling Synapse- a bonus to morale that doesn't render it completely irrelevant might not be the fearless hive mind we remember of older editions, but it's a good sign that GW doesn't want whole armies to ignore morale again. Plus having it make stratagems more powerful provides tangible incentive to maintain the network, and reason for opponents to target Synapse creatures. Lose the Synapse creatures and your army doesn't fall apart, but they become more susceptible to morale and your force-multipliers become less effective. Simple, clean. Shadow in the Warp forcing an immediate morale test also sounds pretty fun, a nasty thing to sic on the enemy late-game.

Overall it may not be as detailed as the (legitimately cool and fun) rules we got in 9th, but it's also a lot simpler and more straightforward.

Also, about that Genestealer profile- I really like the combo of infiltration deployment and getting a bonus near objectives. It really sells what Genestealers are supposed to do, IMO; scouts that infiltrate important areas and spring a trap on interlopers Aliens-style. More importantly, the fact that the ability is contingent on being near an objective rather than an always-on passive ability adds some nuance to positioning and employment of a melee-only unit. Again, simple rules that convey a lot of flavor and provide some interesting decision space.

Also some props that whilst I said Genestealers are a little wimpier than expected due to S4, D1, their bucket of accurate attacks doesn’t require them to get that objective boost. There are still a load of things they can reliably shred without that.

Though there’s also the other rule shown earlier which boosts performance against certain unit types. I’ll need to dig that up.


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Here we go.

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hell, if the Tyranid Codex came out, with all the new Tyranid models, but a new Genestealer kit was held back for a later KT release (for example), the new Tyranid Codex would probably still have photos of the old models.

I have a feeling, with all the vast blank space we see in the cards so far, we are not being shown the actual cards yet. The cards seen so far have not been physical in nature, not in an actual hand, so computer generated. GW is holding back actual pics & info until June. I wouldn’t give any credence to current card “reveals” as they are intentionally misleading so not to spoil stuff to come. Imho.

'Computer generated' isn't a sign of falsehood, just using modern layout and editing tools (which is much more effective and efficient).

Blank spaces are good game design and good use of layout consistency.. You stop when the unit is done, you don't keep adding random bloat until you fill up the available space.

Voss wrote:

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hell, if the Tyranid Codex came out, with all the new Tyranid models, but a new Genestealer kit was held back for a later KT release (for example), the new Tyranid Codex would probably still have photos of the old models.

I have a feeling, with all the vast blank space we see in the cards so far, we are not being shown the actual cards yet. The cards seen so far have not been physical in nature, not in an actual hand, so computer generated. GW is holding back actual pics & info until June. I wouldn’t give any credence to current card “reveals” as they are intentionally misleading so not to spoil stuff to come. Imho.

'Computer generated' isn't a sign of falsehood, just using modern layout and editing tools (which is much more effective and efficient).

Blank spaces are good game design and good use of layout consistency.. You stop when the unit is done, you don't keep adding random bloat until you fill up the available space.

Blank spaces are also where you can conveniently put things like tokens, wound counters/wound dice, all sorts of other markers you might need or even mark down things with an erasable pen if you laminate your cards.

Black spaces can also be the result of generating a card system that works for all the model range where a few outliers that have way more information to show result in a skewed display; creating more deadspace on regular model cards, but ensuring that all cards achieve the same identical layout

Voss wrote:

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hell, if the Tyranid Codex came out, with all the new Tyranid models, but a new Genestealer kit was held back for a later KT release (for example), the new Tyranid Codex would probably still have photos of the old models.

I have a feeling, with all the vast blank space we see in the cards so far, we are not being shown the actual cards yet. The cards seen so far have not been physical in nature, not in an actual hand, so computer generated. GW is holding back actual pics & info until June. I wouldn’t give any credence to current card “reveals” as they are intentionally misleading so not to spoil stuff to come. Imho.

'Computer generated' isn't a sign of falsehood, just using modern layout and editing tools (which is much more effective and efficient).

Blank spaces are good game design and good use of layout consistency.. You stop when the unit is done, you don't keep adding random bloat until you fill up the available space.

yup, never said “falsehood” just said we aren’t being shown the actual end product. That’s all.

If I'm not happy with the default layout of the cards, it's easy to make my own in Word (which I'll probably do anyway to make space for Crusade upgrades and experience tracking once I know how it works in 10th).

There will also be plethora of utilities like Pretty Scribe updated within weeks of launch to convert BattleScribe rosters into whatever card format is preferred.

Not liking the blank space on the datacards is a trivial issue to solve.

My main point was to HMBCs post of old genestealers pic on card & that the card is not a pic of a physical card yet & that there may still be a new genestealer kit &/or the pic on card is a placeholder pic as to not ruin the new models reveal…

I wouldn't read too much in these cards. If GW actually updates the stealers they will have new cards. No one knows for sure whats coming and people claiming your going to get this and that, because it makes sense... We are talking GW here so better not get your hopes up.

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:
My main point was to HMBCs post of old genestealers pic on card & that the card is not a pic of a physical card yet & that there may still be a new genestealer kit &/or the pic on card is a placeholder pic as to not ruin the new models reveal…

That's not entirely unreasonable, and could be something they'd do. We saw with the Rhino datasheet (part 1) that they're willingly keeping stuff extremely close to their chests, if the fan theories about them getting increasingly paranoid about 3rd party filemakers preempting official releases with STLs are true there would at least be some reason for it besides the wow effect of a proper reveal.

 Asmodai wrote:
If I'm not happy with the default layout of the cards, it's easy to make my own in Word (which I'll probably do anyway to make space for Crusade upgrades and experience tracking once I know how it works in 10th).

There will also be plethora of utilities like Pretty Scribe updated within weeks of launch to convert BattleScribe rosters into whatever card format is preferred.

Not liking the blank space on the datacards is a trivial issue to solve.

Another reason to keep the design standardized -- you can out all the data in a database and create a PDF that autofills from that data.

I don’t see four attacks as a ‘bucket full’ , having recently been on the wrong end of World Eaters basic Berzerkers. It’s minimum for an elite unit, IMO. They’ll certainly need that re-roll to wound.

Also, am I misreading or does the Swarmlord have a worse Leadership value than a vanilla Librarian?

 Souleater wrote:
I don’t see four attacks as a ‘bucket full’ , having recently been on the wrong end of World Eaters basic Berzerkers. It’s minimum for an elite unit, IMO.

From what we’ve seen, it’s the whole of the stat.

A4, S4, Sv-2, D1, WS 2+.

They’re efficient attacks. Few are going to miss. On an objective, those re-rolls are going to help mitigate Naughty Dice and turn Good Dice into God Dice, and make ousting them from that position a tricky job to do.

And you need to consider all the other Nids trying to nibble your bum.


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On the Swarmlord’s Ld? Kind of. But, it will always be testing on 3D6, as it always benefits from its own Synapse.

I’ve no idea how much difference that makes, or whether you factored it in

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Anyone else suspecting the timing of Shadow In The Warp is going to be an important lesson Tyranid players?

We can only do it once (outside of Further Rules) per game. And, it’s not guaranteed to do anything.

I think I’d want to first reserve it for early turns where my opponent might be about to score big on Objectives, and I’m poised to hoof them off said objectives in my next turn?

 Souleater wrote:
I don’t see four attacks as a ‘bucket full’ , having recently been on the wrong end of World Eaters basic Berzerkers. It’s minimum for an elite unit, IMO. They’ll certainly need that re-roll to wound.

Also, am I misreading or does the Swarmlord have a worse Leadership value than a vanilla Librarian?

The Swarmlord is always within Synapse range of itself, and thus always rolls on 3D6.

6+ on 2D6 has a 72,22% probability of success
7+ on 3D6 has a 90,74% probability of success