Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Correct me if I am wrong but they said on Warhammerfest that new Combat Patrol will basically be everything from Leviathan minus SC, Neuro Tyrant and Neurogaunts, right?

Opinion piece, your opinion might vary:

GW still can't write equipment rules:
- Some of the Legionary equipment is delegated to the armory. Now, what is an armoury card, we were told there would be no need for any external rules. This does not bode well at all, they are already breaking their own system on day one.
- "One model can be equiped with an Chaos Icon" so even the aspiring champion? Even a model that carries a heavy weapon? I don't believe that this is intended. Sounds like day one FAQ/Errata incoming. It's funny considering GW had decades to figure out how to describe in easy words, how the selection and limitation of equipment should work.

I don't really see a meaningful reduction in lethality. End of 9th was crazy over the top lethal.10th so far looks over the top lethal. Maybe no longer crazy. But still way too much. Most models pour out so much damage that they will kill their own equivalent in 1 or 2 turns max on a very reliable basis. 75%+ of the armies will be shelving by turn 4.

SotW sounds in fact a bit underwhelming. 6+ on 2d6 is 72%. Anything meaningful likely will have 6+ LD. That means only a quarter of the enemy force might, for one turn, be a little bit less effective. What difference does it make, if said unit is likely dead next turn anyway, because see last point. It should have been a lot harder, either can be used 2-3 times per game or with a modifier of -2 to leadership. Well maybe that comes still, there might be units affecting it.

Overall my impression is, GW is still creating some if not the most beautiful minitures under the sun. But the rules so far make me want to skip this edition yet again.

I like the new Shadow myself. I like that it promotes tactical use, I like that it is a lot less niche than a psyker penalty, and I feel that it better represents the fluff for it on the tabletop.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 GiToRaZor wrote:
Some of the Legionary equipment is delegated to the armory. Now, what is an armoury card, we were told there would be no need for any external rules.

Personally I'm confident it is just going to be an extra 'unit card' included in the pack with everything else that has weapon rules on it, which would remain within the 'no external rules' claim.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
Opinion piece, your opinion might vary:

GW still can't write equipment rules:
- Some of the Legionary equipment is delegated to the armory. Now, what is an armoury card, we were told there would be no need for any external rules. This does not bode well at all, they are already breaking their own system on day one.
- "One model can be equiped with an Chaos Icon" so even the aspiring champion? Even a model that carries a heavy weapon? I don't believe that this is intended. Sounds like day one FAQ/Errata incoming. It's funny considering GW had decades to figure out how to describe in easy words, how the selection and limitation of equipment should work.

I don't really see a meaningful reduction in lethality. End of 9th was crazy over the top lethal.10th so far looks over the top lethal. Maybe no longer crazy. But still way too much. Most models pour out so much damage that they will kill their own equivalent in 1 or 2 turns max on a very reliable basis. 75%+ of the armies will be shelving by turn 4.

SotW sounds in fact a bit underwhelming. 6+ on 2d6 is 72%. Anything meaningful likely will have 6+ LD. That means only a quarter of the enemy force might, for one turn, be a little bit less effective. What difference does it make, if said unit is likely dead next turn anyway, because see last point. It should have been a lot harder, either can be used 2-3 times per game or with a modifier of -2 to leadership. Well maybe that comes still, there might be units affecting it.

Overall my impression is, GW is still creating some if not the most beautiful minitures under the sun. But the rules so far make me want to skip this edition yet again.

It's just going to be an extra datacard in the box for reference. It's hardly a cardinal sin nor is it "external rules".

The chaos icon can go on any model just like how I put icon of flame on my rubric soulreapers and missile racks on my soulreaper scarabs. It doesn't need to be restricted to a specific model as it's not a hand-held item.

I don't really see a meaningful reduction in lethality. End of 9th was crazy over the top lethal.10th so far looks over the top lethal. Maybe no longer crazy. But still way too much. Most models pour out so much damage that they will kill their own equivalent in 1 or 2 turns max on a very reliable basis. 75%+ of the armies will be shelving by turn 4.

When you say this could you point out one specific example that makes you think this?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but they said on Warhammerfest that new Combat Patrol will basically be everything from Leviathan minus SC, Neuro Tyrant and Neurogaunts, right?

Yeah this is it:



Should be £95 / $150, compared to Leviathan's £150 / $250

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Imperatives got sacrificed on the altar, but you're likely to see more interesting abilities on datasheets.

Wasn't talking about Synaptic Imperatives...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Personally I'm confident it is just going to be an extra 'unit card' included in the pack with everything else that has weapon rules on it, which would remain within the 'no external rules' claim.

Yeah I could see them being unit-specific, for those rare units that have loads of options (here's hoping one of those is the good 'ol Carnifex! ) rather than a general weapon list that tries to cover the whole army.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Personally I'm confident it is just going to be an extra 'unit card' included in the pack with everything else that has weapon rules on it, which would remain within the 'no external rules' claim.

Yeah I could see them being unit-specific, for those rare units that have loads of options (here's hoping one of those is the good 'ol Carnifex! ) rather than a general weapon list that tries to cover the whole army.

They managed to get 13 weapon profiles (2 for the Plasma Pistol) onto that data card. The probably could have fit a 14 given the space below the Melee Weapons. So I expect that is the line you should look for when it comes to units that need to reference the Heretic Astartes Weapon Card. They will almost certainly be items that can be taken by multiple units, so things like Heavy Bolter, Missile Launcher and other items missing from the Legionaries card that are used by other units.

I doubt more unique models will require such a card since they don't have that many options. Today's Carnifex only has 10 weapon options, so that should all fit on the card.

I doubt many other armies will need armory cards.

Obviously space marines and guard, likely craftworld eldar (for heavy weapons on vehicles or gun platforms primarily), maybe dark eldar and Space Dwarfs (sadly I'd lean more toward the latter of these two). Possibly also GSC if they can still borrow Guard stuff.

Everybody else is pretty restricted and/or specialized in their weapon loadouts, even on their most diverse units. I think even tau battlesuits can be managed on their own card, as the lack of melee options helps quite a bit. While tyranids have a pile of different weapons, they aren't open to a lot of choice on a unit by unit basis. Warriors and fexes come closest, but can likely fit

For others... Necrons top out at 7 options on the overlord (with a dual profile for staff of light). Daemons don't really even play this game. Orks are pretty bare bones within a single unit, with only the nobz really stretching things (and not as much as they used to).
Sisters are largely confined to their holy trinity.

I mean the Armoury Card could literally just have:

Unit X:
Weapon A
Weapon B
Weapon C

Unit Y:
Weapon D
Weapon E
Weapon F

Unit Z:
Weapon G
Weapon H
Weapon I
Weapon J

... and be as simple as that. Cover everything off in one card. There's nothing wrong with that (besides the obvious caveat that buying GW printed material is a mug's game given how long it lasts before it's invalidated).

Listing the units is a pointless waste of space.

Its worth noting that the Chaos Marines only have heavy bolter, lascannon, missile launcher and plasma gun called out. Chaincannon, autocannon, meltagun and flamer aren't indicated as being on the armory card. That implies they're just going to be on the unit card of units that can take them.

As in, havocs will have 'havoc autocannon' and 'chaincannon' on their own card, and chosen will continue 9th edition's policy of telling chaos players they can only use that box of highly specific guys with no ranged options better than plasma pistols or combi-weapons..

Voss wrote:
Listing the units is a pointless waste of space.

What if one weapon has different attacks/to hit scores based upon unit it's part of?

Voss wrote:
Listing the units is a pointless waste of space.

It could be easily done via keywords.

INFANTRY armoury:
Lascannon BS4+ [Heavy]

VEHICLE armoury:
Lascannon BS3+

 xttz wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but they said on Warhammerfest that new Combat Patrol will basically be everything from Leviathan minus SC, Neuro Tyrant and Neurogaunts, right?

Yeah this is it:

Spoiler:

Should be £95 / $150, compared to Leviathan's £150 / $250

Thanks

If its at £150 its quite a nice price for whats in the box and I get the feeling its going to sell extremely fast.
The content of the combat patrol is quite nice too, I wonder if they are going to do the 3 different sizes starter box sets with this new edition.

I'm waiting on the individual kits to see if they will be multipart instead with some extra options. Im thinking after summer or potentially Christmas.

 NAVARRO wrote:

I'm waiting on the individual kits to see if they will be multipart instead with some extra options. Im thinking after summer or potentially Christmas.

Termas as a multipart kit are a given as their datasheet already confirmed Devourers and Spinefist still there. SC could be a part of a new Carnifex kit or either be remade as a separate posable one (I doubt it) or stay as the current pushfit. Barbgaunts are possible too if they have some different ranged weapons. The rest? Rippers, only if Sky Slashers are in the codex. Neurogaunts are meant to be a cheap shields so unlikely to have any options. Neuro Tyrant probably has only its floating brains as a wargear. Psychophage, only if it is a part of a dual kit. Ryans are just budget Lictors so unlikely to have any options. Winged Prime, being derived from a Warrior genus, is a strong candidate for a multipart, no matter if it is a part of a future Shrikes kit or a separate one.

What base size does it seem like the new Screamer Killer is on?

 Dysartes wrote:
What base size does it seem like the new Screamer Killer is on?

He looks to have the same as Redemptor = 90mm.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

I'm waiting on the individual kits to see if they will be multipart instead with some extra options. Im thinking after summer or potentially Christmas.

Termas as a multipart kit are a given as their datasheet already confirmed Devourers and Spinefist still there. SC could be a part of a new Carnifex kit or either be remade as a separate posable one (I doubt it) or stay as the current pushfit. Barbgaunts are possible too if they have some different ranged weapons. The rest? Rippers, only if Sky Slashers are in the codex. Neurogaunts are meant to be a cheap shields so unlikely to have any options. Neuro Tyrant probably has only its floating brains as a wargear. Psychophage, only if it is a part of a dual kit. Ryans are just budget Lictors so unlikely to have any options. Winged Prime, being derived from a Warrior genus, is a strong candidate for a multipart, no matter if it is a part of a future Shrikes kit or a separate one.

Barbgaunts probably come in a box that also builds Shirleygaunts and Bettygaunts

I think the Barbgaunts might be a alternative build for Biovores actually; if you removed the whole back ridge and the gun, you could put a center-line Bio/Pyrovore gun there; the orkish features could be there in an alternative head.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

I'm waiting on the individual kits to see if they will be multipart instead with some extra options. Im thinking after summer or potentially Christmas.

Termas as a multipart kit are a given as their datasheet already confirmed Devourers and Spinefist still there. SC could be a part of a new Carnifex kit or either be remade as a separate posable one (I doubt it) or stay as the current pushfit. Barbgaunts are possible too if they have some different ranged weapons. The rest? Rippers, only if Sky Slashers are in the codex. Neurogaunts are meant to be a cheap shields so unlikely to have any options. Neuro Tyrant probably has only its floating brains as a wargear. Psychophage, only if it is a part of a dual kit. Ryans are just budget Lictors so unlikely to have any options. Winged Prime, being derived from a Warrior genus, is a strong candidate for a multipart, no matter if it is a part of a future Shrikes kit or a separate one.

Barbgaunts probably come in a box that also builds Shirleygaunts and Bettygaunts

I think the Barbgaunts might be a alternative build for Biovores actually; if you removed the whole back ridge and the gun, you could put a center-line Bio/Pyrovore gun there; the orkish features could be there in an alternative head.

Scale might be off? The barbgaunts look to be on 40mms, while the bio/pyro fill up 60mms pretty well. At least looking at GW’s website, my biovores are old, metal, and on squares.

Tsagualsa wrote:


Barbgaunts probably come in a box that also builds Shirleygaunts and Bettygaunts

I am stil waiting for the ultimate gaunt form - the Karengaunt (although the Karenfex would be more appropriate)!

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

I'm waiting on the individual kits to see if they will be multipart instead with some extra options. Im thinking after summer or potentially Christmas.

Termas as a multipart kit are a given as their datasheet already confirmed Devourers and Spinefist still there. SC could be a part of a new Carnifex kit or either be remade as a separate posable one (I doubt it) or stay as the current pushfit. Barbgaunts are possible too if they have some different ranged weapons. The rest? Rippers, only if Sky Slashers are in the codex. Neurogaunts are meant to be a cheap shields so unlikely to have any options. Neuro Tyrant probably has only its floating brains as a wargear. Psychophage, only if it is a part of a dual kit. Ryans are just budget Lictors so unlikely to have any options. Winged Prime, being derived from a Warrior genus, is a strong candidate for a multipart, no matter if it is a part of a future Shrikes kit or a separate one.

Barbgaunts probably come in a box that also builds Shirleygaunts and Bettygaunts

I think the Barbgaunts might be a alternative build for Biovores actually; if you removed the whole back ridge and the gun, you could put a center-line Bio/Pyrovore gun there; the orkish features could be there in an alternative head.

I would love new variants of the Neurogaunts maybe something like Starcraft banelings suicidal bugs but I can work with those push fits too.
Most will probably have multipart variant kits. Either way it's a wait and see game now and still a long way before we see any form of independent multipart kits revealed.
By then if you dont get multiparts just head to Ebay and get Nid push fit half.
As for biovores they are kind of bulkier in design ( and hopefully not awful like the other versions, this poor fella is almost like a running joke XD)


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:


Barbgaunts probably come in a box that also builds Shirleygaunts and Bettygaunts

I am stil waiting for the ultimate gaunt form - the Karengaunt (although the Karenfex would be more appropriate)!

We got that now it's called screamer killa XD XD quite appropriate may I add.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

I am stil waiting for the ultimate gaunt form - the Karengaunt (although the Karenfex would be more appropriate)!

We got that now it's called screamer killa XD XD quite appropriate may I add.

Hmm, when you put it like that (and remembering about plasmatic spit) ...yeah, she's finally there

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:


Barbgaunts probably come in a box that also builds Shirleygaunts and Bettygaunts

I am stil waiting for the ultimate gaunt form - the Karengaunt (although the Karenfex would be more appropriate)!

Alt build for the Lictor, going after manager/character models

Avert your eyes children, Grinny McRhino-Horn has returned!

Ok, not really, but you have full warning that this article on the Screamer Killer includes a full, uncensored picture of the God-awful 3rd Ed attempt at a Carnifex.

Man, I kind of want to use the new SK for a Old One Eye conversion if they don't give us a proper kit for it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Avert your eyes children, Grinny McRhino-Horn has returned!

Ok, not really, but you have full warning that this article on the Screamer Killer includes a full, uncensored picture of the God-awful 3rd Ed attempt at a Carnifex.

I actually like the 'beetle biped' more than the current 'hunchy the indistinct blob.' The problems with model were sculpting limitations of the time and materials (ugh, hybrid plastic/metal).

I do appreciate that the new SK skips all that and looks like an adult version of the original children's toy.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
What base size does it seem like the new Screamer Killer is on?

He looks to have the same as Redemptor = 90mm.

Good to know, thanks - tempted to get a 2nd ed Carnifex and mount it on an appropriate base, as it'll amuse me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Avert your eyes children, Grinny McRhino-Horn has returned!

Ok, not really, but you have full warning that this article on the Screamer Killer includes a full, uncensored picture of the God-awful 3rd Ed attempt at a Carnifex.

I wouldn’t say no to a Made to Order for the old old Screamer Killer. But somehow, I doubt that’ll ever happen due to how old any existing mould would be.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Avert your eyes children, Grinny McRhino-Horn has returned!

Ok, not really, but you have full warning that this article on the Screamer Killer includes a full, uncensored picture of the God-awful 3rd Ed attempt at a Carnifex.

I wouldn’t say no to a Made to Order for the old old Screamer Killer. But somehow, I doubt that’ll ever happen due to how old any existing mould would be.

There's a few old models I wouldn't mind in fresh metal - Screamer Killer, old Zoanthrope, Pyrovore (yeah I like it in metal but as its gone to finecast that's gone and not enough people bought them in metal to have a decent 2nd hand price)

They have dome some real old lead before, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

If you do want to base one for modern use, might good to have him up on a destroyed rhino or something. I suspect he’s like half the hight of the new guy.