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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That may slightly complicate my plan to spray and paint on the sprue.

Hopefully there’ll be enough space around the wielder for me to attach the mission launchers first.

Could be, may well be difficult to cast them without undercuts whilst giving a decent level of detail otherwise, due to them being at 90 degrees to the direction the body would probably need to be cast at.

True that.

I can’t put into words just how enthused I am for this! I’ve craved Epic returning for years now. Whilst we should be careful what we wish for, I’m glad this seems to be an exception to that rule.

 xttz wrote:
So what are the odds that the first (and possibly only) option to get hold of rhinos early on is going to be a box with two of those infantry sprues plus 4-8 transports?

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, those sprues look like they were intentionally trying to fit the least amount of minis on them as possible.

I was going to say something similar

By comparison to the older sprues, that provided perfectly adequate detail on even smaller infantry models, there is an awful lot of sprue frame going on here.

It might be my imagination and poor eyesight, but it looks like the infantry sprues are very wide, but also noticeably flatter than the tank sprues. If so, that might be down to some technicalities of the casting process.

That seems likely. If you look at most recent kits they do a similar thing with the sprue frame for all but the tiniest of components. I'd guess it's a way to ensure there's always an easy channel for liquid plastic to flow through, and avoid miscasts.

Spoiler:

I imagine that's the technical reason, but I think its interesting that the difference from your example sprue is that the infantry all seems to just have a single connection point to the sprue, rather than multiple contact points, making a rigid sprue on all 4 sides more important.

However, I'm no expert in injection moulding, just a mook reacting to the visual of the end condition

Seeing the price for the new Warcry starter set, I've no longer got my hopes up for a sensible price for Legions. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at £150 for the launch box.

SamusDrake wrote:
Seeing the price for the new Warcry starter set, I've no longer got my hopes up for a sensible price for Legions. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at £150 for the launch box.

Unfortunately you are almost certainly right.

A better price would be the 105 price point , although less would be nice,but probably unrealistic.

SamusDrake wrote:
Seeing the price for the new Warcry starter set, I've no longer got my hopes up for a sensible price for Legions. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at £150 for the launch box.

In terms of plastic sprues and printed material, the LI box is fairly comparable to the Titanicus & Necromunda starters (£105) and Warcry Nightmare Quest (£110).

So I'm betting £110.

 xttz wrote:


In terms of plastic sprues and printed material, the LI box is fairly comparable to the Titanicus & Necromunda starters (£105) and Warcry Nightmare Quest (£110).

So I'm betting £110.

Well, we took a similar bet on the Warcry starter set that has half the content of the Kill Team starter. Both £65.

£110 is now looking like a very low estimate...

 Flinty wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, those sprues look like they were intentionally trying to fit the least amount of minis on them as possible.

I was going to say something similar

By comparison to the older sprues, that provided perfectly adequate detail on even smaller infantry models, there is an awful lot of sprue frame going on here.

On the older frames, you didn't have the vertical spars (?) going between the individual infantrymen, that appear on these sprues. It might be a strength thing as these models are bigger but thinner and (I guess) proportionally weaker.

Some of the early Epic models which were rows of 10-20 models joined top and bottom had a tendency to snap in half as you (or at least teenaged me) tried to remove them or their neighbours from the frames, which ruined the model. These vertical spars might be there to make that less likely.

Patriarch wrote:
Some of the early Epic models which were rows of 10-20 models joined top and bottom had a tendency to snap in half as you (or at least teenaged me) tried to remove them or their neighbours from the frames, which ruined the model. These vertical spars might be there to make that less likely.

Gripping the base and twisting usually worked. Unless it involved removing very thin models. Broke a few Banshee's doing that and that was a big deal as you had to buy more boxes of Eldar, more than you'd ever need, to make a full unit

Really hope they get the price right I would like see this game get adopted by a large number of people. Seems like this would be way more fun than 40k.

 zedmeister wrote:

Patriarch wrote:
Some of the early Epic models which were rows of 10-20 models joined top and bottom had a tendency to snap in half as you (or at least teenaged me) tried to remove them or their neighbours from the frames, which ruined the model. These vertical spars might be there to make that less likely.

Gripping the base and twisting usually worked. Unless it involved removing very thin models. Broke a few Banshee's doing that and that was a big deal as you had to buy more boxes of Eldar, more than you'd ever need, to make a full unit

Whilst feasible that its there to assist de-sprue-ing (is that a word?), GW now also has a full range of sprue clippers and bodgers and worriers to sell to you that they didn't have last time Epic was widespread (I don't think) so I would imagine this being even less of a worry.

SInce they all have 1 connection point there's no opposing force to your cutting to break them anyway.

I guess it just looks strange because what people "know" from small scale games are the old epic frames or other 6-10mm plastics and those look very different:

Are they 6mm? They look like 1/72 Airfix guys to me

 lord_blackfang wrote:
SInce they all have 1 connection point there's no opposing force to your cutting to break them anyway.

Only one connecting point is strange, there is no ability for plastic to pass through, or air to pass out? How?

Witchcraft?

1 connection point is not unusual specially for small parts

 Skinflint Games wrote:
Are they 6mm? They look like 1/72 Airfix guys to me

12mm Victrix

 kodos wrote:
1 connection point is not unusual specially for small parts

 Skinflint Games wrote:
Are they 6mm? They look like 1/72 Airfix guys to me

12mm Victrix

Ooh - I may have to investigate further...

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
SInce they all have 1 connection point there's no opposing force to your cutting to break them anyway.

Only one connecting point is strange, there is no ability for plastic to pass through, or air to pass out? How?

Same way as always? It's not like it's the only sprue with single runner pieces... almost all heads are that way, to give an easy example.

The smaller the miniature, the less you need for connection points. It's the same in 3D printing.

And it's honestly for the best. The last thing you want to have is a ruined miniature because a connection point was right in a delicate / detailed part of it (like the face or the tip of the weapon).

 xttz wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Seeing the price for the new Warcry starter set, I've no longer got my hopes up for a sensible price for Legions. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at £150 for the launch box.

In terms of plastic sprues and printed material, the LI box is fairly comparable to the Titanicus & Necromunda starters (£105) and Warcry Nightmare Quest (£110).

So I'm betting £110.

This feels about right and I have my fingers crossed that it's close. That would hopefully be a price-point that would have gamers, even more casual ones, willing to give the game and scale a go I think.

I am also seriously looking forward to this , good memories from my youth!
I have already gone out and bought a couple of warhounds , a reaver and a pair of knights. In preparation.

Having it and Titanicus being the same starter set price feels right too - both £100ish starter sets for Heresy expansions.

9 sprues in Titanicus vs 11 in Epic, but with a bunch more cardboard and cards in the former.

GW always use new ranges to raise prices, there is little chance this comes in much under £150.

New factions for 40k/AoS yea, new games usually no.

Sure they do. Warcry broke new price ground when it launched. Pretty sure the original Titanicus launch set did too.

The current edition of Kill Team took the mickey as well, although the starter set was decent.

That's a lot of sprue.

Wonder how they will recoup the cost of all that excess plastic....

Guess they gave up on all the newly found ways to thin out the sprue and really pack the frame.

Billicus wrote:
Sure they do. Warcry broke new price ground when it launched. Pretty sure the original Titanicus launch set did too.

Grandmaster edition was pretty sensible for what it contained, as there was an absolute mountain of terrain sprues included in the box. You basically got a Warlord for free if you wanted everything in it. The problem with the set was that the units it contained were highly unrepresentative of what the game is and the sticker shock of 230 € to try things out was quite unwelcoming for many. This was later fixed with the superb deal that was the current starter box.

 Sherrypie wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Sure they do. Warcry broke new price ground when it launched. Pretty sure the original Titanicus launch set did too.

Grandmaster edition was pretty sensible for what it contained, as there was an absolute mountain of terrain sprues included in the box. You basically got a Warlord for free if you wanted everything in it. The problem with the set was that the units it contained were highly unrepresentative of what the game is and the sticker shock of 230 € to try things out was quite unwelcoming for many. This was later fixed with the superb deal that was the current starter box.

That 'mountain' of terrain sprues in the Grandmaster box was about 1/4 of the amount you'd need to fill a table properly and provide adequate cover. It was really a waste from a value standpoint. But it did get people buying more Civitas terrain, so mission accomplished for GW.