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If the issue was discovered ages ago, there would have been no reason to announce the original release date and than delay it later

Also the "strange gap" would indicate that it was discovered after the first announcement

Than they were looking into which solution is best, decided on that and communicated that the release is delayed
But without a new date/month which could mean they don't know yet for sure

So at best they have a month done from the 3-6 it might take, worst would be it is just a few days

 kodos wrote:
If the issue was discovered ages ago, there would have been no reason to announce the original release date and than delay it later

Also the "strange gap" would indicate that it was discovered after the first announcement

Than they were looking into which solution is best, decided on that and communicated that the release is delayed
But without a new date/month which could mean they don't know yet for sure

So at best they have a month done from the 3-6 it might take, worst would be it is just a few days

Again, not necessarily.

Any issue with the book could’ve been discovered a while back, and a new printing ordered. But if that printing is delayed? The launch is delayed. And that delay could be done to any number of things, from plates delayed, binding being dodgy, slow delivery etc.

I’m not saying “therefore this is what happened”, just offering other thoughts and possibilities.

I'm not sure how long this was known, but the fact that they switched to a Ghur coin and are providing older, existing miniatures for August shows that they are scrambling to reschedule the release.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/04/return-to-ghur-with-this-months-free-coin-and-miniature/

We’ve seen coins rejigged at short notice. Most notably when the Eldar one never saw the light of day, as they were seemingly used as bait to help firmly identify a thief, or at least online auctions/sales selling GW and FW stuff that was definitely nicked, as never going on general release, they couldn’t have been obtained by legitimate means.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We’ve seen coins rejigged at short notice.

We've also seen situations where the assumption is that the coin was delayed and the model wasn't or whatever. Remember that Dawnbringers Book II is supposed to be a "big deal" for Orruk Warclans.

Most notably when the Eldar one never saw the light of day, as they were seemingly used as bait to help firmly identify a thief, or at least online auctions/sales selling GW and FW stuff that was definitely nicked, as never going on general release, they couldn’t have been obtained by legitimate means.

They did put the Aeldari coin out later on. It wasn't announced, but my local GW had them to hand out.

There is also a rumor about qualiity issues with the Infantry Sprues - maybe something about those "Tabs" between the Legs?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If the issue was discovered ages ago, there would have been no reason to announce the original release date and than delay it later

Also the "strange gap" would indicate that it was discovered after the first announcement

Than they were looking into which solution is best, decided on that and communicated that the release is delayed
But without a new date/month which could mean they don't know yet for sure

So at best they have a month done from the 3-6 it might take, worst would be it is just a few days

Again, not necessarily.

Any issue with the book could’ve been discovered a while back, and a new printing ordered. But if that printing is delayed? The launch is delayed. And that delay could be done to any number of things, from plates delayed, binding being dodgy, slow delivery etc.

I’m not saying “therefore this is what happened”, just offering other thoughts and possibilities.

I agree that there are more possibilities but it is unlikely that the error was discovered early but than still send to influencer without adding that there is a reprint on the way or that this is not the final book

RazorEdge wrote:
There is also a rumor about qualiity issues with the Infantry Sprues - maybe something about those "Tabs" between the Legs?

That feels a bit more like wishlisting, since there were some really upset about those and the rumor cropped up immediately afterwards.

There’s no way in heck they’ve known about this for weeks/months. All the marketing has been building up to a preorder announcement this or next Sunday.

MaxT wrote:
There’s no way in heck they’ve known about this for weeks/months. All the marketing has been building up to a preorder announcement this or next Sunday.

Its not that far fetched. I can see them trying to keep to an original release schedule as far as possible, but not quite being able to make it.

Gak happens. Fixing it before release is waaaaay better than after release.

Yeah, we could speculate till the cow's come home but without an official notice or report, it's unlikely we'll ever know the truth or timeline of the matter (until one of the LI designers retires from GW and goes onto the Painting Phase podcast or something to reveal all several years from now).

For now, we wait, hope we get some further leaks and reveals. I'd love to see a Thunderhawk Transporter, Ordinatus, and other tanks and things revealed as coming to the game. Maybe it'll mean a bigger and faster supporting product launch after the launch box? Could be a good thing for those that gotta have it all.

I'd love to see Stormbirds, Rapier scout titans, and Mechanicum some time next year.

Though my biggest wish is just that the core infantry boxes are released in an affordable way. Marines look like around 100pts per sprue, which is gonna add up quickly if they're something like two for £30.

Interesting to see if they remembered to edit the Sunday preview video this time

 Strg Alt wrote:


Then you should never play 40K, if you are repulsed by that. There you grab a bucket of dice and roll for hit, wound and saves. Epic makes you roll a couple of dice for hit rolls and the majority of targets evaporate when hit. Some may have saving throws. You make an elephant out of a mosquito.

I do not play 40k anymore already.

Good grief Albertorious… at least drop some spoiler tags in there or something

 Flinty wrote:
Good grief Albertorious… at least drop some spoiler tags in there or something

On it xd, Im travelling and the phone is not the greatest for that ^^

Remember: The warcom marketing team gets told things LAST out of anyone in the chain of command.

It's very possible that they were told, months ago "here's your hype schedule and the articles we need" and then just last week were told "oh by the way change the release date" even if the decision was made well before then to change the release date.

It's happened plenty of times and these frustrations are documented from people that actually worked for the warcom team, even for big releases, misinformation issues, or other details.

So yeah, we wont know when epic releases until they announce a new release date, and it could be for any number of reasons.

drbored wrote:
and it could be for any number of reasons.

It's the book. The issues are so pervasive it require re-printing. They've re-called it from the influencers already in possession and it's the reason for the delay.

Citation needed?

Maybe that "August" announcement was from an over motivated source?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Gak happens. Fixing it before release is waaaaay better than after release.

True this. Better to correct whatever was wrong and deal with the schedule delay.

If we go a bit quiet on the news front for a while, we have a thread down in the Specialist Games dungeon forum with people talking about what their plans are for the new Epic, games and collection wise etc. Please come and post if you have any thoughts you'd like to share!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/809833.page

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If the issue was discovered ages ago, there would have been no reason to announce the original release date and than delay it later

Also the "strange gap" would indicate that it was discovered after the first announcement

Than they were looking into which solution is best, decided on that and communicated that the release is delayed
But without a new date/month which could mean they don't know yet for sure

So at best they have a month done from the 3-6 it might take, worst would be it is just a few days

Again, not necessarily.

Any issue with the book could’ve been discovered a while back, and a new printing ordered. But if that printing is delayed? The launch is delayed. And that delay could be done to any number of things, from plates delayed, binding being dodgy, slow delivery etc.

I’m not saying “therefore this is what happened”, just offering other thoughts and possibilities.

No, we're well outside the window where this is possible, for multiple reasons. Firstly, if GW had found out long enough for printing to be almost complete, they would have known about the issue months ago and would not have promoted the game for an August release. If they had expected to receive the printed books in time for that August release, they would also have known for months now that they weren't going to hit it, because after printing several months would be required for packing and shipping to warehouse in the USA, Australia, etc. For GW to announce an August release in June or July, they would have had to believe that production was complete and distribution about to start if not already underway.

I've worked in print and the timescales you're suggesting aren't realistic. It's almost certainly something they've discovered post-announcement.

 schoon wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Gak happens. Fixing it before release is waaaaay better than after release.

True this. Better to correct whatever was wrong and deal with the schedule delay.

Since when have GW ever fixed printing mistakes? We were suckered into buying 40k Index cards which had horrendous errors.
The only thing I can imagine GW losing profit over with a reprint and delay, is if it was something that would negatively affect their public standing (ie something deemed politically incorrect that would trigger someone on social media). Gaming related issues and typos have never been bothered with by GW.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 schoon wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Gak happens. Fixing it before release is waaaaay better than after release.

True this. Better to correct whatever was wrong and deal with the schedule delay.

Since when have GW ever fixed printing mistakes? We were suckered into buying 40k Index cards which had horrendous errors.
The only thing I can imagine GW losing profit over with a reprint and delay, is if it was something that would negatively affect their public standing (ie something deemed politically incorrect that would trigger someone on social media). Gaming related issues and typos have never been bothered with by GW.

It seems like the problem is so pervasive it would be untenable to faq/errrata. People have noticed infantry point costs seem way off compared to 2nd edition space marine, and the working theory is that was not intentional and part of the reason for the re-printing. I'm being hyperbolic for effect but if literally every infantry unit had the wrong points or upgrades, that really would explain a re-print if the errors are systemic.

 Pacific wrote:

 vadersson wrote:
I am thrilled to see so many weapons options. It may not be as streamlined, but I think it makes it feel more warhammery with lots of guns. I just wish some of the weapon ranges were further.

About the streamlining.. sure there is a joke in the Porsche of wargaming companies making a game that resembles the aerodynamic profile of my long-dead great uncle's 1970 Trabant.

Porsche would never let a material like finecast get to production. They would also never let a bunch of headless knights out of the factory like FW has lately with the smaller AT stuff.

Looking at this weeks pre-order preview it was going to be going upnext weekend.

arcanum wrote:
Looking at this weeks pre-order preview it was going to be going upnext weekend.

That's my impression, too. They yanked LI but didn't have anything they could push forward and had to leave this slot open. It looks like LI will end up being shoe-horned into the schedule somewhere, or something else will be punted to make room.

A lotr diorama and a bloodbowl character. Big oof.

Will just have to see how the month shapes up.