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VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

Up to 3 in a unit. So units with 2, and possibly even 1, are legal.

Eumerin wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

Up to 3 in a unit. So units with 2, and possibly even 1, are legal.

Yes, it's also legal to eat a bun with no hot dog, doesn't make it any less infuriating.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

Up to 3 in a unit. So units with 2, and possibly even 1, are legal.

Yes, it's also legal to eat a bun with no hot dog, doesn't make it any less infuriating.

What a nonsensical comparison. There are still tanks, so there's still a hot dog. You're complaining because the foot-long dog isn't the default size.

No, he's complaining that there's 10 hotdogs in a pack and 8 buns in their pack.

It's stupid that they can be taken up to 3, but there's only 2 in a box.

It will become more stupid when their price is revealed.

Eumerin wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

Up to 3 in a unit. So units with 2, and possibly even 1, are legal.

Yes, it's also legal to eat a bun with no hot dog, doesn't make it any less infuriating.

What a nonsensical comparison. There are still tanks, so there's still a hot dog. You're complaining because the foot-long dog isn't the default size.

Its not a daft comparison.

Its like having a unit of 10 Eldar...but they come in boxes of 6.

They know exactly what they they are doing and what they are forcing their customers into, lets not pretend they dont.

VAYASEN wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

Up to 3 in a unit. So units with 2, and possibly even 1, are legal.

Yes, it's also legal to eat a bun with no hot dog, doesn't make it any less infuriating.

What a nonsensical comparison. There are still tanks, so there's still a hot dog. You're complaining because the foot-long dog isn't the default size.

Its not a daft comparison.

Its like having a unit of 10 Eldar...but they come in boxes of 6.

They know exactly what they they are doing and what they are forcing their customers into, lets not pretend they dont.

Problem with that example is that in his case you can make a legal unit of 6 Eldar, or even 3.

With 3 being the max size, a squadron still runs with 1 or 2 vehicles. So with a box of 2 you could run two squads of 1 or one squad of 2. If you want to run a squad of 3 you need to buy a second box, then you can run 3 in a squad and have a squad on 1 for a different formation.

Think of Ork boys. You get 10 in a box and they used to be able to be run in squads up to 30.

twentypence wrote:

 Mallo wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Ah, the magic of mysteriously mutating material! What will they think of next?

Monday it will be revealed its made from bread. Which fires real bread, from its bread guns.

After it’s fired those guns are it’s enemies toast?

But you have to pay a lot of dough for a full squadron.

Skinflint - I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere

On a side note, that is one of the things I miss from back in the day. Having a bit of pocket money and being able to pick up a single blister pack of something like a Super Heavy (although think those were a bit more pricey!) - now everything is in larger quantities and in boxes so kids coming into it these days can't really do that, although that is a change in the industry in general I guess with so much moving over to plastics.

Baneblades can be taken in units of six according to an early Warhammer Community article. And come in boxes of four, don't they? Seems the math is about the same. For a full unit you need a box and a half. So actually two boxes. Hard to suspect that's the sales department having a say in writing the rules.

What I'm interested in, is there a fluff or game reason why Stormhammer detachments are only half the size of Baneblade detachments? Is the tank that much better? That much rarer? Or is it just some inconsistency that's better explained by outside meddling?

 Pacific wrote:
Skinflint - I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere

On a side note, that is one of the things I miss from back in the day. Having a bit of pocket money and being able to pick up a single blister pack of something like a Super Heavy (although think those were a bit more pricey!) - now everything is in larger quantities and in boxes so kids coming into it these days can't really do that, although that is a change in the industry in general I guess with so much moving over to plastics.

I miss this too, even with the access to adult money and not having to worry about buying things in 'ones'. But what I do is buy up random bundles of old blisters, and if I ever get the pang I just treat myself to painting a single one from the big box (well...big boxes )

Its an odd treat but there is something fun in doing so.

 Geifer wrote:

What I'm interested in, is there a fluff or game reason why Stormhammer detachments are only half the size of Baneblade detachments? Is the tank that much better? That much rarer? Or is it just some inconsistency that's better explained by outside meddling?

This colossal tank is equal parts artillery battery, fortified bunker, and mobile command post, and designed to lead armoured assaults across treacherous terrain.

The Stormhammer is more specialized than the Baneblade, and it would make sense he's available in fewer numbers too (Baneblade being the "default super heavy tank" in the imperial guard).

Other than fluff, it's also more heavily armed and is certainly more resilient in terms of rules.

The old supper heavys where one in a blister.
And you could field then as 1,2 or 3 in a squadron.

Baneblade i dont know but shadowswords where.

2nd Ed? Stormhammer, Baneblade, Shadowsword and latterly Stormblade could be taken as singles via support card, or a company of three via company card. But, no mix and match on the company card.


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 Pacific wrote:
Skinflint - I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere

On a side note, that is one of the things I miss from back in the day. Having a bit of pocket money and being able to pick up a single blister pack of something like a Super Heavy (although think those were a bit more pricey!) - now everything is in larger quantities and in boxes so kids coming into it these days can't really do that, although that is a change in the industry in general I guess with so much moving over to plastics.

Depends what’s happened with pocket money. For me, the most important thing about Old Epic was, with very few exceptions? If I bought a new blister or box of models? I was buying a functional unit. So yes the price was nice back then. But the convenience was what really worked for me,

So, they changed the article for the Stormhammer again.

It now specifies that it's plastic.

Glad the warcom team and design team finally sent appropriate e-mails to each other.

tneva82 wrote:
Hardly surprising 1 box fills full squad anyway. You can't get blood stalkers in box of 15 anyway. Or necron warriors in box of 20.

That said, you absolutely should be able to do exactly that. I remember that this was one of the biggest issues people had wit WBF, after all.... plus it's what GW seemed to want to do.

Or you should be able to buy singles, I guess.

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

If only there was an alternative!

A company that makes compatible models perhaps!

Or technology that lets us make them at home!

 vadersson wrote:

Problem with that example is that in his case you can make a legal unit of 6 Eldar, or even 3.

With 3 being the max size, a squadron still runs with 1 or 2 vehicles. So with a box of 2 you could run two squads of 1 or one squad of 2. If you want to run a squad of 3 you need to buy a second box, then you can run 3 in a squad and have a squad on 1 for a different formation.

Think of Ork boys. You get 10 in a box and they used to be able to be run in squads up to 30.

Exactly this. Selling a box that can make a unit that's legal, but not maximum size, has been pretty common from GW over the decades.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

If only there was an alternative!

A company that makes compatible models perhaps!

Or technology that lets us make them at home!

Eumerin wrote:

Exactly this. Selling a box that can make a unit that's legal, but not maximum size, has been pretty common from GW over the decades.

Which is fine. It gets obnoxious when multiples of the box don't add up to maximum size without leftovers and outright scummy when the leftovers don't add up to at least a minimum sized second unit.

Isn't 'squad sizes are a multiple of number of models you get in a box' GW's new default since 10th edition 40k? I'd presume they'd follow a similar pattern for epic.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Isn't 'squad sizes are a multiple of number of models you get in a box' GW's new default since 10th edition 40k? I'd presume they'd follow a similar pattern for epic.

From what we've seen so far they've kept pretty close to that. Infantry & support units are usually taken as 2 or 4 models at a time, in line with having multiple identical sprues. Tanks are a bit more flexible but that's likely because players may want to build models with different options from the same box (e.g. baneblade / hellhammer).

The Stormhammer seems to be a weird exception and it makes me wonder if the unit was originally planned to be done in resin then changed.

So is this not coming in time for Christmas or what

 Manchu wrote:
So is this not coming in time for Christmas or what

Only GW knows and they're not telling...

I think at this point it’s probably not

That 2 in a box obviously designed to screw over the 14 of us still playing 2nd edition Epic Space Marine

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
3 to a unit, 2 in a box...

Hate gak like that.

Is it THAT hard to say heres a box which makes a unit without having to buy additional boxes.

Takes the piss.

If only there was an alternative!

A company that makes compatible models perhaps!

Or technology that lets us make them at home!

Lol indeed!

I just opened an old early 90s Doom Weaver blister pack and enjoying painting those at the moment while the wait continues

 Manchu wrote:
I think at this point it’s probably not

Unless I have it somehow confused I think we had a rumor that Legions Imperialis is supposed to get a November pre-order. I know this whole nonsense keeps dragging on, but it's still too early to rule out a 2023 release.

And on the bright side, if you think the game won't get released before Christmas and GW insists that it comes out sooner than you think, we're good. Right?

 Manchu wrote:
So is this not coming in time for Christmas or what

Very unlikely given that 2024 will probably kick off with The Old World around February, and then AoS 4th edition announced in May. They need to get it out the door now...

The current rumors are: (Preorder dates)
Battleforces 11th Nov
Admech/Necrons 18th Nov
Legions Imperialis 25th Nov

And we only have to wait 8 more hours to see if this turns out true

 Geifer wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I think at this point it’s probably not

Unless I have it somehow confused I think we had a rumor that Legions Imperialis is supposed to get a November pre-order. I know this whole nonsense keeps dragging on, but it's still too early to rule out a 2023 release.

And on the bright side, if you think the game won't get released before Christmas and GW insists that it comes out sooner than you think, we're good. Right?

Catastrophising for a moment, The risk is that by the time they actually get any prices out there, a large portion of the available fans have already committed their Christmas funds to other things and the whole thing is a damp squib. This leads to a downward spiral of support and corporate interest and we all end up wearing sackcloth and toiling in the mines for our new robot overlords… or something.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Isn't 'squad sizes are a multiple of number of models you get in a box' GW's new default since 10th edition 40k? I'd presume they'd follow a similar pattern for epic.

Buying a box and getting a whole unit is nice, and it’s not something GW have always done. It wasn’t until mass plasticification of the various ranges that we avoided having to buy a box and a blister or two to get desired weapon combos (such as the Space Marine Plasma Cannon in 2nd Ed)

The Stormhammer at least comes in a box of two, which is more than a single unit in terms of content. Buy three, and you have a decent amount of choice in how you want to deploy them - so unless your army list dictates otherwise, we shouldn’t end up paying money for models we can’t use. As in, two to a box and max unit size of three would be far worse if your entire army can only field one unit of Stormhammers.

Which….may yet be the case, as we’ve not seen a huge amount of army design rules at the moment.