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VAYASEN wrote:
Anyone know or are we all in the dark?

For a reasonable force, if I buy 1 Core box, for a balanced force, should I be buying another infantry box too?

Is the Infantry (marine for example) box the same contents as the marines that come in the Core duplicated?

The infantry in the core box and the infantry in the marine box are the same. You probably will want to buy at least 1 infantry box if you're only getting the core box, unless your goal is to play a vehicle heavy army, etc. For context, the blood angels army list from the WD battle report featured the tactical marines from 3 boxes worth of kits, missile launcher specialists from 4 boxes, and terminators from 6.

The Death Guard/EC build was more sane and could be built fully out of 3 boxes (including 1 core box for the SA auxiliary detachment). - one for the DG Garrison force, and 2 for the EC demi-company.

This is, I think, something that will become a problem over time, but noticing that the infantry box is currently all mk6, I have a supsicion that future mk2/3/4/5 infantry kits will be released that will have different proportions of terminators, assault marines, specialists, etc. in them. For example the mk4 box might have no assault marines but 2x as many tartaros terminators. A mk3 box might have half as many tac marines, but 3x as many assault marines, etc.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New painting video with a few closer looks at the models and sprues

Well, that all looks absolutely terrible, but it may just be the closeups. Probably shouldn't zoom into this stuff until it's as big as 40k versions.

Thats because of the zoom mate. Look at her fingernail for context.

To my old eye, doesn't look out of the ordinary considering the scale. Moderately sloppy modelling and painting goes often unnoticed in 28mil, but in 8mil, even something like perfectly thinning your paints (as well as minimizing the layers of overlapping paint to begin with) will be critical for results that can whitstand scrutiny at such insane zoom levels.

If you go read up on stuff at 1:500 miniature model boat forums, I bet this stuff will come up. At such extreme scales, modelling chops need to be through the roof for extreme closeup neatness

chaos0xomega wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
Anyone know or are we all in the dark?

For a reasonable force, if I buy 1 Core box, for a balanced force, should I be buying another infantry box too?

Is the Infantry (marine for example) box the same contents as the marines that come in the Core duplicated?

The infantry in the core box and the infantry in the marine box are the same. You probably will want to buy at least 1 infantry box if you're only getting the core box, unless your goal is to play a vehicle heavy army, etc. .

I just realized I have a very ignorant question. (For context, LI is my first Epic game.) I was assuming that players had the option to have a combined army of SM and auxilia supporting each other. Is that not the case?

 Fugazi wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
Anyone know or are we all in the dark?

For a reasonable force, if I buy 1 Core box, for a balanced force, should I be buying another infantry box too?

Is the Infantry (marine for example) box the same contents as the marines that come in the Core duplicated?

The infantry in the core box and the infantry in the marine box are the same. You probably will want to buy at least 1 infantry box if you're only getting the core box, unless your goal is to play a vehicle heavy army, etc. .

I just realized I have a very ignorant question. (For context, LI is my first Epic game.) I was assuming that players had the option to have a combined army of SM and auxilia supporting each other. Is that not the case?

Oh you can but it’s not going to be a 50:50 split - you pick your main army then up to ¼ of your points can be spent on allies. So Astra Militarum, knights, and Titans if your primary is Legiones Astartes.

It's dumb that buying the box will be better value than buying just the rulebook and the marines separately. The only good thing is that since this box isn't a limited release, I can actually ignore the preorders completely and can buy a box later when its financially easiest for me (which would be around February).

Sounds like a plan to me. HH2 Assault Squad and the new Scouts are my number 1 priority for now anyway

 Albertorius wrote:

ray648 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:

Spoiler:

Those tactical, devastator, and assault squads were two stands each. The box provided half a battle company, plus a single stand of terminators, scouts, and command, for a total of 13 stands of infantry plus bikes and a single librarian with no spare guys to fill out the base.

Yeah, it's more complicated than that xD. With the old box you could assemble 13 marine bases of multiple types, plus a bike squad. Double that and you'd have 26 infantry bases plus two bike squads, and 6 pounds ^^.

Of course 12 pounds of then isn't 12 pounds of today...

More comparable is multiplying contents by 1.5. 20 pounds inflation adjusted, remaining as gw increase. So 19.5 stands, bikes and characters.


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 tauist wrote:
It's dumb that buying the box will be better value than buying just the rulebook and the marines separately. The only good thing is that since this box isn't a limited release, I can actually ignore the preorders completely and can buy a box later when its financially easiest for me (which would be around February).

Sounds like a plan to me. HH2 Assault Squad and the new Scouts are my number 1 priority for now anyway

Uuh...what?

So gw shouldn't release discount boxes? Well sure profit maximize wise shouldn't but why do you care about gw not maximizing profits

What good it would do if box was more expensive so 0 discount?

That ruins kit price is coming in a little too high for my taste. Was looking at picking it up to supplement my existing AT terrain, but I have other options.

Glad to see most of the AT stuff will be back. And if anyone's looking to dump some extra Warhounds...come see me.

Seems to me ruins won't mix well with regular terrain kits as those don't have sculpted insides, so you want them to always be fully enclosed.

tneva82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

ray648 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:

Spoiler:

Those tactical, devastator, and assault squads were two stands each. The box provided half a battle company, plus a single stand of terminators, scouts, and command, for a total of 13 stands of infantry plus bikes and a single librarian with no spare guys to fill out the base.

Yeah, it's more complicated than that xD. With the old box you could assemble 13 marine bases of multiple types, plus a bike squad. Double that and you'd have 26 infantry bases plus two bike squads, and 6 pounds ^^.

Of course 12 pounds of then isn't 12 pounds of today...

More comparable is multiplying contents by 1.5. 20 pounds inflation adjusted, remaining as gw increase. So 19.5 stands, bikes and characters.


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 tauist wrote:
It's dumb that buying the box will be better value than buying just the rulebook and the marines separately. The only good thing is that since this box isn't a limited release, I can actually ignore the preorders completely and can buy a box later when its financially easiest for me (which would be around February).

Sounds like a plan to me. HH2 Assault Squad and the new Scouts are my number 1 priority for now anyway

Uuh...what?

So gw shouldn't release discount boxes? Well sure profit maximize wise shouldn't but why do you care about gw not maximizing profits

What good it would do if box was more expensive so 0 discount?

My point is, the individual kit prices are too high compared to the box. The difference is laughable. Buying 10 Rhinos, Rulebook and one Marine detachment costs more than the entire box if bought from a discounter.

Eumerin wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:


IIRC, there were 4 Baneblades to a box, so I would guess it's two per sprue.

Two per box, according to the announcement. But I do remember seeing an earlier preview that suggested it would be four.

Your two per sprue comment is almost certainly accurate.

I think two per box was the Stormhammer.

The new article says two Baneblades per box.

"I altered the deal. Hope I don't alter ir further" ^_^


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tneva82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

ray648 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
However once you compare Epic 40k, the pricing was actually worse than right now in some cases. The new LI marine infantry box is 20 marine infantry bases + 4 dreads for £30 (cheaper from the core box and 3rd parties). Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today, and gave you just 7 general infantry bases plus a few bikes:

Spoiler:

Those tactical, devastator, and assault squads were two stands each. The box provided half a battle company, plus a single stand of terminators, scouts, and command, for a total of 13 stands of infantry plus bikes and a single librarian with no spare guys to fill out the base.

Yeah, it's more complicated than that xD. With the old box you could assemble 13 marine bases of multiple types, plus a bike squad. Double that and you'd have 26 infantry bases plus two bike squads, and 6 pounds ^^.

Of course 12 pounds of then isn't 12 pounds of today...

We know. Here:

Adjusting for inflation this Epic 40k box would be around £12 today

It wasn't £12 then, it was 12 of today's £s, after adjusting for inflation.

Are thin coats no longer a thing at GW? Or has that gone the way of needle files and drilled barrels?

Yeesh, that painting video....wow

Also, still seems for the price it's kind of dicey. If everything, other than launch box, was even $10-$15 less I would be FAR more impressed and likely to go hog wild.

Even though a person can still get 4x as much, for the price, when 3d printing.

GW has clearly dropped the points on stuff to increase the need to buy more boxes.

 Laemos wrote:
Are thin coats no longer a thing at GW? Or has that gone the way of needle files and drilled barrels?

Thats some real citadel shade right there *rimshot*

Do we know or will we come to know the Tile Prices?

VAYASEN wrote:
Do we know or will we come to know the Tile Prices?

Yeah they were on one of the price lists that were posted. I associated them with the number 115, but I forget if that was GBP or USD.

$115 US

So, is it going to be 2 plastic superheavy tanks for $50.00 US?

That seems...awful?

Hopefully they quickly pivot to "Great Crusade" and/or The Scourging and get Xenos in here sooner rather than later...

Why, so they can charge you $50 for two plastic Aeldari Scorpions?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Why, so they can charge you $50 for two plastic Aeldari Scorpions?

OK, good point!

But still, war on this scale is a lot of fun, and 'should' be where this is happening vs. what 40K has turned into over the last (x) number of editions - but that's another discussion, for another thread!

However, $50.00 for two small(ish) tanks feels like a bad idea...

It does seem a bit much. But the bulk of your tanks will probably be smaller tanks like the Leman Russ. Chances are that the super-heavies will be fewer in number. Doesn't make the price not seem like a bit much. But they probably won't be the bulk of most armored lists.

All depends how it shakes out.

If super heavies prove effective at their squadron increment? The £30 before discount feels pretty reasonable.

But.

If they only really work in squadrons of three? That’s a different consideration.

I just realized - the price list that's circulating doesn't have any of the medium tanks like the Leman Russ. That's odd...

Eumerin wrote:
It does seem a bit much. But the bulk of your tanks will probably be smaller tanks like the Leman Russ. Chances are that the super-heavies will be fewer in number. Doesn't make the price not seem like a bit much. But they probably won't be the bulk of most armored lists.

I mean, it's not like 6 smol LRs for $50 is such a good price either

Eumerin wrote:
I just realized - the price list that's circulating doesn't have any of the medium tanks like the Leman Russ. That's odd...

You will buy what is offered and like it!

 Albertorius wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
It does seem a bit much. But the bulk of your tanks will probably be smaller tanks like the Leman Russ. Chances are that the super-heavies will be fewer in number. Doesn't make the price not seem like a bit much. But they probably won't be the bulk of most armored lists.

I mean, it's not like 6 smol LRs for $50 is such a good price either

I agree. But given the inflation of the last couple of years, maybe not so surprising...

Eumerin wrote:
I just realized - the price list that's circulating doesn't have any of the medium tanks like the Leman Russ. That's odd...

Can't release all at once, wallets can only take that much.

 TalonZahn wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
I just realized - the price list that's circulating doesn't have any of the medium tanks like the Leman Russ. That's odd...

You will buy what is offered and like it!

They're in the starter, which is what makes it odd, imo.

Eumerin wrote:
I just realized - the price list that's circulating doesn't have any of the medium tanks like the Leman Russ. That's odd...

Not that odd. They never actually announced standalone kits for the Leman Russ, Malcador, Predator, or Sicaran, nor did they say those would be going up for preorder next week. You aren't seeing prices for them, because they officially do not exist yet, for the time being they are core box only.

 Sotahullu wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
I just realized - the price list that's circulating doesn't have any of the medium tanks like the Leman Russ. That's odd...

Can't release all at once, wallets can only take that much.

Yup. Anything in this wave is competing with the £120 core box, £100 terrain box, etc.

I expect to see at least two more LI waves from what we've seen so far:

1) Predators / Sicarans / Russ / Malcador / Support boxes, plus the new plastic Dire Wolves.
Also re-releases for Warhounds, missing flyers, and other terrain kits.
This rounds out anything in the core rulebook.

2) The expansion book with any some/all of the related units such as:
Fast attack, land raiders, drop pods, stormhammer, etc