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Could be any of those three.

MkVI set? If separate Terminators is correct, I’d hope…

4 stands Tacticals (because we do need them)
4 stands Assault
4 stands Support
4 stands Heavy Support

That gets us to 16 stands, compared to 22 in the existing box. And importantly? The minimum unit size for Assault, Support and Heavy Support.

Plus command options, including Apothecaries, as those can be added to 1 in 4 Tactical Stands now, granting Medic. And we don’t get enough in the existing kit to have that ratio and Command Stands.

Maybe drop in Librarian and Chaplain too, for alternative infantry command whilst you’re at it and sprue space allows.

4 stands per infantry box would be much more reasonable for people getting in than the current 2 for the specialists the marines currently struggle with.

I highly doubt that rumour. Madness that they wouldn't do other armour marks. Venator and alt weapons make sense for a new infantry set.

Here's a potential 100% guess for a MkIII set:

8x Tactical stands
2x HQ stands
2-4x Breacher stands
2x Heavy Weapon stands
2x Special Weapon stands
4x Contemptors with alt weapons


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Maybe drop in Librarian and Chaplain too, for alternative infantry command whilst you’re at it and sprue space allows.

Oo, interesting thought. Centurion upgrades for stands, like they did with the apothecaries.

 Overread wrote:
Techno-organic demons is something I really hope the whole "split the model lines per game" policy results in. Armies like Slaanesh demons always felt odd in 40K because they were clearly all fantasy style warriors, chariots and so forth.

Tried this once, but then they just put the Soulgrinder into Fantasy too.

I could see more likely MkII Marines; for a possible dive into the Great Crusade to introduce Orks & Eldar as Xeno factions....

Other than rule of cool? I dunno if we’ll see different armour Marks.

The differences at this scale in the models are gonna be indistinguishable on the board.

So, I’d love to see it (of course I would. I’m a slag for epic), but I don’t think it’s gonna be any time soon.

Regarding the rumour, we can all see how the last big 4chan 'leak' for LI turned out:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7860/809458.page#11738828

While most of the stuff in today's rumour is fairly plausible (and in some cases probably inevitable), I highly doubt there is any real inside information here.

Yeah I'm also firmly in the "we won't see different marks of marine armour" bandcamp. Just like we don't have different legions either.

Custodes yes as they do everything unique in design; but regular marines where its a shoulderpad or a few bits of filigree or a different helmet - its just not worth it at this scale.

Plus at this point anyone who really wants to run a collection full of Mk2/3/4/5 probably already has some. It's not like the other kits that were previously restricted by not having any rules.

That's the thing; if you want lots of armour marks 30K scale just works SO much better for that as its only the infantry that change; not the tanks.

LI is more tank than infantry detail based; infantry are good but they just don't hold detail at 8mm. Now if they started doing legion specific tanks and such they might get some headway there; but honesty I really hope the game doesn't fall into that sales trap.

Options are always welcome. And I’m certain there will be potential players out there for whom MkWhatever infantry would be their tipping point.

But from GW’s perspective? It’s likely to uncertain benefit.

Might we see a second infantry set as rumoured above in a different Mk of armour? Yes. And that would be cool.

But I don’t see every infantry type and heavy weapon being available in every Mk.

To be honest, I think that rumor point about new Infantry Options, all in Mk6 is very plausible and realistic.

Also it feels "classic", "iconic", because Spacemarine in 1989 also had Mk6 Marines for the HH.

 Overread wrote:
That's the thing; if you want lots of armour marks 30K scale just works SO much better for that as its only the infantry that change; not the tanks.

LI is more tank than infantry detail based; infantry are good but they just don't hold detail at 8mm. Now if they started doing legion specific tanks and such they might get some headway there; but honesty I really hope the game doesn't fall into that sales trap.

I think if you are going to differentiate between a lascannon and autocannon on a tank sponsor, you can do different armour marks too. And if you think GW did it 30 years ago at a smaller 6mm scale, with both mkVI and MKVII designs.
These are 3rd party, but give you some idea and official ones would no doubt would be at least this well designed. I love the basic beakie minis, but I think certain legions definitely suit the earlier armour marks. So having some sort of sprue to cover them, even if it comes with Legions Imp.2.0, wouldn't be the worst idea.



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 Pacific wrote:
I think if you are going to differentiate between a lascannon and autocannon on a tank sponsor, you can do different armour marks too. And if you think GW did it 30 years ago at a smaller 6mm scale, with both mkVI and MKVII designs.
These are 3rd party, but give you some idea and official ones would no doubt would be at least this well designed. I love the basic beakie minis, but I think certain legions definitely suit the earlier armour marks. So having some sort of sprue to cover them, even if it comes with Legions Imp.2.0, wouldn't be the worst idea.

I agree. I don't see much point in trying to represent all of the armour marks in LI scale, but a version as distinctive as MkIII would be worthwhile, and would add some much-needed variety to all of those blocks of rather same-y looking little Marines. I guess it all depends on how long LI lasts. I have no idea how successful it is, although the number of releases they've cranked out would suggest that it's doing well. I won't be taking the plunge - I can't deal with assembling all the tiny details on the tanks (a Rhino in that scale should not require over 10 parts!), and I don't really like the way infantry units are dominated visually by their huge bases. However, if the rumoured Battlefleet Gothic re-release got the same level of support, I'd be all over it...

You definitely could tell armour marks apart in Epic scale, I have some 3d prints of MkIII similar to Pacific's, which definitely look different to my plastic MkVIs (better detail and without the undercuts either, but that's a different issue!).

So whilst I'd like to see a MkIII LI plastic sprue in many ways, I think the tricky question is whether it comes the same as the current one - just in a different armour mark as a visual difference (effectively like the big 30k kits in the sense of only being cosmetic) or comes with different options.

I think different options makes the most sense in many ways - breachers rather than assault marines would be nice, but I'm not sure I'm that keen to see infantry with different weapon options (say melta / lascannons rather than plasma / missiles). Clearly it could happen, given the granularity of the vehicle weapons but I'm not sure it will help the game to add that level of granularity to marine infantry stands as well.

I'd definitely rather see an expanded Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum range and stuff like Daemons (though I suspect very unlikely!!) before different armour marks. And things like the Sicarian Venator should also be a higher priority imo.

Before I get into this, I agree that there are a bunch of things I'd see as a higher priority than Mk 3 infantry for LI - but it is an interesting thought experiment.

The current LI LA Infantry box gives you the following, mostly in MK6 armour:

- 2x Legion Command Squads
- 8x Tactical Legionary bases
- 2x Legion Terminator bases (look to be Cataphractii?)
- 2x Assault Marine bases
- 2x Support Legionaries with Plasma Guns bases
- 2x Support Legionaries with Missile Launchers bases
- 4x Contemptor Dreadnoughts (definitely not in Mk6 armour...)

If you wanted a Mk3 box that wasn't just straight "same sculpts, different armour", it should be fairly straightforward.

Keep the Command squads, but do them in Mk3 - I don't know LI well enough to know if a Chaplain or Librarian leading them are options, but you could do that for variety.

Switch the Terminator bases to Tartaros close combat terminators, possibly with lightning claws.

Keep the 4 bases of Support dudes, but switch the weapons around - Rotor Cannon and Volkite Culverins, for example. Something with different roles to Plasma and Missile Launchers, anyway.

I'd be tempted to keep 4 bases of normal Tactical dudes, and switch the other 4 bases out to being Breachers.

Maybe switch the Assault Marines for Despoilers?

I'm struggling with what to do with the Dreadnoughts, though.

Add castaferrum dreads in place of the Contemptors

There's plenty of other weapon options to cover for Contemptors. Just include them again but with say double-shooting or double-melee. Maybe have multiple weapon choices instead of multiple legs.

 Dysartes wrote:


I'd be tempted to keep 4 bases of normal Tactical dudes, and switch the other 4 bases out to being Breachers.

Maybe switch the Assault Marines for Despoilers?

As a world eaters enjoyer, something I'd love to see in this game is more Core infantry options. I don't want my demi-companies or aerial assaults to be built around tacticals.

Perhaps some non-jump assault troops, breachers, or despoilers...

We don't have Chaplains or Librarians, which would be a must-have for Word Bearers or Thousand Sons.

Wouldn't mind Tartaros models in LI scale, as those would look much closer to Indomitus armour than the current Catas. Tarts would make my epic scale models more closely represent my 28 mil army.

As for the alt weapons on marines, I'm not sure if they'd still be MKVI. If GW is going to fork up the dough for another Astartes infantry mold, I'd expect them to switch the armour mark entirely for all models. MKII or MKIII would then be my best guess

Mk2 would be the best - they could expand it into the Great Crusade...

For Chaplains and Librarians, I’ll have a nose through my old Armies of the Imperium. I know they were options back then, but can’t tell you without reading up what each brought to the party.

RazorEdge wrote:
We don't have Chaplains or Librarians, which would be a must-have for Word Bearers or Thousand Sons.

A set of Legion specific sprues is actually a good idea, even if there is very little difference rules wise. It could be similar to Shoulder pad sprues but Gal Vorbak or sorcerer units.

Could be possible.

Certainly the forefather, 2nd Ed Space Marine offered Chapter Specific things. Not models, but Company Cards, the odd special named character.

I'd love some legion themed boxes that, even if they don't necessarily come with unique minis, do come with thematic unit combos and rules. The rules would also have to be available online as well.

Such a box could be Relevant Primarch, requisite two Legion Unique Infantry (typically one Power Armour, one Terminator Armour).

However, standard mild doubt about the game system being granular* enough to provide sufficient distinction between Unique Legion Units.

*I hate that term and its seeming overuse into a nonsense word. I think I’ve used it accurately here, but still feel dirty for having done so.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For Chaplains and Librarians, I’ll have a nose through my old Armies of the Imperium. I know they were options back then, but can’t tell you without reading up what each brought to the party.

Chaplains were +1 CAF to the unit they were with I think. Librarians had a few different actions they could take, I remember one was an anti enemy psyker attack, another an enemy unit attack. They were initially just done in the shooting phase but later on when Titan Legions was released they added a psychic phase which made it a bit better, IIRC.

I guess in the context of Legions it might make sense to have Librarians released alongside rainstorm daemons or similar?

I think the army rules are in their respective boxes, which I can’t be arsed to dig out right now. But. Main rulebook offered Chaplains. +1 CAF to all Imperial Units within 10cm.

Which, given how deadly HTH was? Is a nice wee boost. Not game winning in its own right. But enough to give even your more basic troops an upper hand.

Getting OT again peeps, can we get back on track please.