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**Tomsug**

FAQ LVO - Ghazzy and Makari count as separate models. There used to be some confusion about this…

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1NV4tZdElUC9z7KPTqFfisP5e-qOj0lb4/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msexcel

So - do you expect to see some ork news from LVO? The prsentstion background was green

**Afrodactyl**

Tomsug wrote:
FAQ LVO - Ghazzy and Makari count as separate models. There used to be some confusion about this…

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1NV4tZdElUC9z7KPTqFfisP5e-qOj0lb4/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msexcel

So - do you expect to see some ork news from LVO? The prsentstion background was green

This was always my interpretation (somewhat) with Ghaz and Makari being two separate models for wound allocation, line of sight, etc., but "Ghazghkull Thraka" being the unit name that occupies 18 spaces in a wagon. Because otherwise you can't put Ghaz in any transport if he has two meganobz with him.

**Tomsug**

It seems no ork previews on LVO. So my guess is we’ ll play our codex in June / July the best…

**Grimskul**

Yeah, I was expecting at least one reveal, a bit disappointing but at least it wasn't marine focused for once! Lots of good showings for xenos, glad Dark Eldar finally have plastic Mandrakes after waiting for how long, and Tau getting focus on their auxiliaries rather than just their suits is great to see, interested to see how their Kroot cav matches up to our Squighog ladz, we might have a good calvary krumpin show off in the future!

**PaddyMick**

Tomsug wrote:
It seems no ork previews on LVO. So my guess is we’ ll play our codex in June / July the best…

They said Spring I think, so hopefully no later than April

**Forceride**

Maybe i am misunderstanding the explanation but this would mean ghaz unit is 19slot, denying body guards inside the wagon?

Anyway, i will take it with a pinch of salt, ghaz still feels overpriced but with some uses in game. It's all how you pilot the list as was proven in that recent win, very clever use i might say.

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Also sad no ork reveals. Sad orky noises.

Hey at least i got those massive models of ork meganob and mek for bday. Their huge!

**Afrodactyl**

Forceride wrote:
Maybe i am misunderstanding the explanation but this would mean ghaz unit is 19slot, denying body guards inside the wagon?

Anyway, i will take it with a pinch of salt, ghaz still feels overpriced but with some uses in game. It's all how you pilot the list as was proven in that recent win, very clever use i might say.

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Also sad no ork reveals. Sad orky noises.

Hey at least i got those massive models of ork meganob and mek for bday. Their huge!

My interpretation is that the unit "Ghazghkull Thraka" takes up 18 slots, with Ghaz himself being worth 17 and Makari 1. They are separate models for LOS and such, meaning that Makari isn't just a token.

In all honesty, until GW actually give a definitive answer I would just contact your tournament organisers in advance and just go with whatever they say is the case. It's going to suck for Ghaz users not knowing if they can or can't use bodyguards, but at least it's a fairly simple band-aid fix.

**Dekskull**

Hello, I'm running a Wrath and Glory ork game here. It's a big of a dungeon crawl. All are welcome to join

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/812653.page

**Forceride**

Dekskull wrote:
Hello, I'm running a Wrath and Glory ork game here. It's a big of a dungeon crawl. All are welcome to join

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/812653.page

thx mate, i am sure it's appreciated.

So dataslate this week, any predictions or wishes? I honestly just want them to make our less palatable stuff more interesting, with out breaking the stuff that works.

**Grimskul**

Unfortunately, I predict they'll probably slam hard on some of our cheaper costed units (Grots, very likely Flash Gitz and/or Badrukk in some capacity). Hoping they reverse the price bump the Beastboss on Foot received, they might up Mozrog and the Beastboss on Squigosaur as well.

We're in a pretty good spot otherwise in terms of our index, it's just a matter of getting new detachments that lets us use units that are otherwise suboptimal in the current WAAAGH! Tribe detachment.

**PaddyMick**

I'm playing the International Team Tournament in Coventry this week chaps, so wish me luck

We are not serious contenders to win much but it's gonna be a heck of a lot of fun. 40k as a pub sports. Anyway, I like themed lists, so here's what I'm taking.

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**Tomsug**

Dataslate out.

Squighogs, Trukks and Nobz up.
Black firday sale on Vehicles. Is it enough? I ' m definitely not sure..

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/I5QAEb5U4TUdNRGP.pdf

**Grimskul**

Surprisingly not too crazy for points changes in terms of nerfs. Glad they cut the price on Morkanauts after how badly they priced it up last time.

**gungo**

+5 pts on trukk isn’t bad
+2pts a nob doesn’t make them bad
+15 on squig hogs is a bit ruff and I wouldn’t use more than 1 unit..

I got to see what vehicles are ok now…
With ghaz counting as 2 models and trukks still being good I don’t think the battlewagon change matters..but it’s a big -20pt drop..
To bad the Killrig is only ten more after it’s -30pt drop…
Killa kans down -25pts for 3 is nice
Morkanaut down-35 pts nice I mean it still isn’t good but nice.
Every buggy down -10pts not sure that saves them.. honestly vehicles just need a detachment codex detachments will be the main changer for them.

**The Red Hobbit**

I'm happy they finally came down on the price of the battlewagon, I ran 2 in a 2v2 4000pt game, they're okay but not as fun in 9th.

Nice to see the Shokkjump come down in price a little too.

**PaddyMick**

6 'naut list dream is alive! happy with these changes, still don't wanna glue a load of extra gear to the wagon; but at 160 i may go without for a game, see how it goes. Need to model some kans for sure.

**Forceride**

Hmmm looks like the biggest winners are wagon and shokjumpsta? I am not sold on that last one.

The drop in all the buggies is nice but i don't think it's enough to make most viable.

The revert on the morkonaught is welcome, drops on rigs is also great to see, but i doubt they will hit the tables...

nobz and truck are my meat and potatoes so o feel it home but i think it's still a fair price.

Defo do not agree with hogs 15pts nerf, that just sends them into unviable grounds, they barely wound vehicles and are more anti light infantry/ light vehicles. Last i check those aren't common. They already need a nob for +1 to hit, if their going up their cost, up their app... their just overpriced now... no way can i think of putting them on a list.

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Also for those thinking of using the trick of charging from a transport when it comes from reserves, think again, you can't charge. They added a comment on the rules just for that. That pretty much kills that trick.

**Afrodactyl**

Quite surprised that Nobz went up when I view the cheap Warboss as the issue with that combo. Not surprised about hogs or trukks going up again though.

Even with my built-in points buffer I still end up about 15 points over, so there will have to be some tinkering.

Although I'll be honest, with Old World coming out and my love for Tomb Kings picking up again, my Orks are going on the backburner until the buzz wears off. The games I've got scheduled going forward are all TOW with some kill team sprinkled in, so no time for 40k.

**Forceride**

Art of War mentioned that kill rig might have game.

Not 100% on board but i can see it.. i am more inclined for the shock jump dragsta as a scoring tool and for assassination.

Still might work with buff for +1 strength, also they stack.

Anyone thinks klans have game at 125?

Still bit salty on that hog nerf, at that cost you need probably to sink some points on them.

**gungo**

Hogs are probably only good for a single unit w nob and eadwomper.

I mean for comparison sake nobs on warbikes with pks with warboss on bike.

You do lose the dev wounds but its cheaper and faster and probably more durable with less attacks but better attacks.

**Forceride**

Yeah i can see them on the table, plus the warboss at 190pts.

Their weapon selection kill saws + auto advance 6 + and the shooting ain't bad either for the price.

Looks like a cheap way to bring S12 in my view.

**gungo**

So ufthak blackhawk got a black library model…
Wish it was a legal model like Eisenhorn instead of a limited edition black library model that goes straight to legends/no rules.

**ccs**

gungo wrote:
So ufthak blackhawk got a black library model…
Wish it was a legal model like Eisenhorn instead of a limited edition black library model that goes straight to legends/no rules.

If he's got Legends rules he's legal in non- tourney play.

**JNAProductions**

ccs wrote:
gungo wrote:
So ufthak blackhawk got a black library model…
Wish it was a legal model like Eisenhorn instead of a limited edition black library model that goes straight to legends/no rules.

If he's got Legends rules he's legal in non- tourney play.

Which doesn’t matter if the players around you have an aversion to using Legends rules.

**Tomsug**

Well, I think is maybe fun to make this “rare” models that canot bear the tournament game so nobody actually plays them.

Sculpt this in 3d is not such a cost, few weeks work incl. reflecting tons of comments of the 20 man corporate comittee.

But make a form for it? That cost the real money… maybe if they print from high quality resin like some other companies do with thier models but hey! Pff I 'm out of the boundaries of the rules of this threat, sorry. ….

**ccs**

JNAProductions wrote:
ccs wrote:
gungo wrote:
So ufthak blackhawk got a black library model…
Wish it was a legal model like Eisenhorn instead of a limited edition black library model that goes straight to legends/no rules.

If he's got Legends rules he's legal in non- tourney play.
Which doesn’t matter if the players around you have an aversion to using Legends rules.

Wich isn't the same as it not having legal rules.

**Grimskul**

I think it's more annoying with the fact that the Imperium has several book original characters that have directly ported official rules in their codex (e.g. Uriel Ventris for marines, Aleya and Valerian for Custodes/SoS, Eisenhorn as mentioned for the Inquisition, Ephrael Stern for SoB) but Gork forbid GW gives us xenos players a bone. Orks bizarrely have had a lot of unique/commemoration models released for us but no official rule support for some reason.

**Grimskul**

New Blackhawk rules are out:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/09/da-ork-book-club-is-a-new-way-to-read-up-on-your-favourite-green-menaces/

Interesting he gives deep strike to the unit he joins, but I feel like the Gargantsmasha rule is very situational given that the only Titanic units you're guaranteed to face in most games (also largely dependent on your meta) are Imperial Knights since most super heavies aren't very good. I like that his snazzhammer has devastating wounds like thunder hammers, but outside of rapid ingressing 10 deep striking nobz with him, he doesn't add much beyond what a regular warboss would.

Overall, as expected, most people will just use this as a Warboss stand-in.

**Forceride**

I can see him being played with 20boyz + banner.

Also it's just 5 more pts for deep strike boyz with out needing wagon.

Another idea is giving him makari buff for lethals.

The real issue is him being legends.

**Tomsug**

Some mostly post dataslate lists common in current meta as seen Goonhammer this week

Gongai GT Lukas Troller

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CaptainCon post dataslate - Jamew Watkins

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I GT ACUPHAMMER - Pablo Aguera

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Cross-Swords PAW 2024

Tom Godfrey

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Dale Isherwood

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TLDR: Nothing new.

Grots and stormboyz are the action monkeys.

Squig riders rules. Their bosses dominates as hell.

Nobz and MANz + some transport and other melee stuff.

Mostly Flashgitz.

One type of list as was common in last couple of months. Point changes from dataslate = no changes for orks.

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Ok guys, let' s admit that this is little bit boring.

Is it just a situation in the ork army, or is it a new standard in 10th?

How do you see it \ou guys playinf another armies. Jidmah? Or others?