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**Grimskul**

Love the model they gave him and glad to see our predictions were correct. Definitely disappointed he's only legends though, it's kind of annoying how much GW keeps making other BL characters have regular rules (e.g. the Custodes and SoS pair from the Regent's Shadow, Uriel Ventris, or even the SoB character with the Harlequin buddy) but for ours, whether its the Red Gobbo, the Goff Rocker or now Ufthak, they just don't want to seem to give us new character rules that isn't tied to a codex release. Would be nice if they just made this the new base for an Ork Warboss, with more options for both range and melee.

**Jidmah**

Forceride wrote:
GW must be trolling or high on koolaid, like new mini and no data sheet? WTH!

Guess this a we show the mini get's rules for codex? Is it a stand in for Barduk? Like i don't recall any Bad moons warboss, is it a generic? Or do the old guard know what their talking about?

Love the mini though, can't buy.. too much to paint lol

He currently is the biggest ork novel protagonist besides Thrakka and is, amongst other things, known for taking down an emperor titan with nothing but another ork, a grot and a squig.

The story is told in Brutal Kunnin' and he makes a short appearance in Warboss. Both are absolutely worth reading.

**Grimskul**

Seconded on the books, Mike Brooks did a great job getting the Orky perspective down, especially since he contrasts it well with Imperial/Chaos POV's. It's taken a while but GW have really come around on giving good xenos perspectives recently between the Necron and Ork novels they've released in the past 3-4 years. Funnily enough, I think the main ones they generally haven't done a great job of so far are the Eldar and Tau ones.

**Forceride**

Might be an amazing read for christmas. Although i am itching for a game lol.

**RedNoak**

Forceride wrote:
GW must be trolling or high on koolaid, like new mini and no data sheet? WTH!

Guess this a we show the mini get's rules for codex? Is it a stand in for Barduk? Like i don't recall any Bad moons warboss, is it a generic? Or do the old guard know what their talking about?

Love the mini though, can't buy.. too much to paint lol

Nazdreg. kinda dissapointed they didnt use him. basically had a codex entry in 3rd edition. megaarmour, kustommegablasta and could do some deepstrike frakkery (and can speak high gothic perfectly without an accent)

btw ufthaks story sounds like an rehash of wazzdakkaz story (took a titan down by crashing through the cockpit with his bike and smashing the crew)

...but maybe i'm just old and krumpy

**Gulgog TufToof**

Nazdreg is one of the old metal minis still on my “to acquire someday” list.

**Jidmah**

RedNoak wrote:
Forceride wrote:
GW must be trolling or high on koolaid, like new mini and no data sheet? WTH!

Guess this a we show the mini get's rules for codex? Is it a stand in for Barduk? Like i don't recall any Bad moons warboss, is it a generic? Or do the old guard know what their talking about?

Love the mini though, can't buy.. too much to paint lol

Nazdreg. kinda dissapointed they didnt use him. basically had a codex entry in 3rd edition. megaarmour, kustommegablasta and could do some deepstrike frakkery (and can speak high gothic perfectly without an accent)

btw ufthaks story sounds like an rehash of wazzdakkaz story (took a titan down by crashing through the cockpit with his bike and smashing the crew)

...but maybe i'm just old and krumpy

Wazzdakka pretty much went full bad-ass, intentionally crashed through the cockpit with the goal of taking down the titan and slaughtered everyone before driving on.
Ufthak accidentally crashed his SJD on a titan, made the best of the situation and took the whole thing by smashing the controls and having his squig eat the princeps (which he misread as "princess").

Both are orky stories worth telling in their own right, one brutal but kunnin', one kunnin' but brutal.

**Afrodactyl**

Few tournament results for potential discussion:

First place at the Winter Assault ITC Major

Spoiler:

Second place at Fight Before XMas '23

Spoiler:

Both lists were 5-0, have a lot of characters, and Ghaz.

On another note, an Aeldari list that went 4-1 and came second is just 14 characters

**Tomsug**

Afrodactyl - I'm looking at it too.

More is there https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-10th-violent-night/

The first one is Sean Nayden notoriously known ork player. And it is actually pretty interesting.

- Sean took 20 Boyz mob + Warboss with Follow me ladz and fit them in the battlewagon. No matter what in some moment his boyz are 3” in front of the wagon + 6” move + 2” follow me ladz +(2+2) ere we go + 7” advance = 22” move and advance + charge average 7” = 29” range with 20 bodies doing 40 OC and nesting a warboss.

This allows you to do 2 tricks.
First - one charging unit set the line of fight in one single charge. Those, who want to interrupt can do so after your first unit charged. Sorry guys, boyz goes first anyway.

The second trick is, you make a thin layer between attacked nasty unit and your Beastbosses on Squigs right behind them. So there will be just 0,9” between beastboss and the enemy unit. And no chance for base-to-base contact. And because there is no chance to base-to-base contact, you do not have to worry about your bosses, becuase just one model from opponents unit will be able to fight with your precious boss. The rest have to waste their time in killing the boyz…

Interesting is, Sean has no Flashgitz…..

Sean list is also well balanced from the scoring point of view. He gives up the assasinate but due the lack of trukks, he doesnt care about bring it down…

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If you want to see one of Seans games, there you are - 4:12 it begins

https://www.youtube.com/live/EAYaNXFJnbM?si=h0NwZucAq2nf8kpm

Boyz+warboss+banner nob in battlewagon, 2xnobz + warbosses in trukk, MA boss + MANz came from reserve, ghazzy on the table

**Tomsug**

Another layer worth to mention - Makari has 12” “aura” make melee hits Lethal hits in Waaaagh. Sean max it by appliing it to 20Boyz Mob and double it by Banner Nob

**PaddyMick**

@tomsug can you use 'Ere we go on a unit that starts the movement phase in a transport?

**Bossdoc**

No, neither stratagems nor the banner nobs' ability can be used while the boyz are embarked.

**tneva82**

Grimskul wrote:
Love the model they gave him and glad to see our predictions were correct. Definitely disappointed he's only legends though, it's kind of annoying how much GW keeps making other BL characters have regular rules (e.g. the Custodes and SoS pair from the Regent's Shadow, Uriel Ventris, or even the SoB character with the Harlequin buddy) but for ours, whether its the Red Gobbo, the Goff Rocker or now Ufthak, they just don't want to seem to give us new character rules that isn't tied to a codex release. Would be nice if they just made this the new base for an Ork Warboss, with more options for both range and melee.

Well rocker I can understand not having rules(kind of silly concept) but the red gobbo and this one yeah should get rules for regular games.

**Grimskul**

tneva82 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Love the model they gave him and glad to see our predictions were correct. Definitely disappointed he's only legends though, it's kind of annoying how much GW keeps making other BL characters have regular rules (e.g. the Custodes and SoS pair from the Regent's Shadow, Uriel Ventris, or even the SoB character with the Harlequin buddy) but for ours, whether its the Red Gobbo, the Goff Rocker or now Ufthak, they just don't want to seem to give us new character rules that isn't tied to a codex release. Would be nice if they just made this the new base for an Ork Warboss, with more options for both range and melee.

Well rocker I can understand not having rules(kind of silly concept) but the red gobbo and this one yeah should get rules for regular games.

I mean CSM have noise marines, I don't see it being that far-fetched for Orks in particular, where musical instruments and weapons are probably synonymous given that they fight to the sound of war.

**Jidmah**

tneva82 wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Love the model they gave him and glad to see our predictions were correct. Definitely disappointed he's only legends though, it's kind of annoying how much GW keeps making other BL characters have regular rules (e.g. the Custodes and SoS pair from the Regent's Shadow, Uriel Ventris, or even the SoB character with the Harlequin buddy) but for ours, whether its the Red Gobbo, the Goff Rocker or now Ufthak, they just don't want to seem to give us new character rules that isn't tied to a codex release. Would be nice if they just made this the new base for an Ork Warboss, with more options for both range and melee.

Well rocker I can understand not having rules(kind of silly concept) but the red gobbo and this one yeah should get rules for regular games.

Half the ork range is a silly concept to be honest.

**Tomsug**

Bossdoc wrote:
No, neither stratagems nor the banner nobs' ability can be used while the boyz are embarked.

Damn, you are right! Ere we go is on the start of the movement phase and banner is on the start of the battle round!
Boring:(

Jidmah wrote:

Half the ork range is a silly concept to be honest.

Do we speak about Warhammer 40.000?

**Afrodactyl**

Jidmah wrote:

Half the ork range is a silly concept to be honest.

Heresy!

**Afrodactyl**

Some sort of Mek Boss with a wrench/Klaw and traktor kannon in the previews. Bodes well for those wanting more Dakka focused waaaghs

**Grimskul**

Yeah, I'm glad they're moving more into Mek territory this time around, seemed to be somewhat neglected. Not sure if it'll be a special character (Orkimedes perhaps?), or if it's a new generic Mek Boss as Afrodactyl mentioned. Either way, looking forward to seeing how they interact vehicles, particularly walkers, so we can have vehicle heavy lists besides trukk spam be viable as an army archetype.

**deffrekka**

Afrodactyl wrote:
Some sort of Mek Boss with a wrench/Klaw and traktor kannon in the previews. Bodes well for those wanting more Dakka focused waaaghs

I hope the traktor kannon has some ability tied to it as its a really sad weapon to have. What im thinking is hes like the new Necron Overlord with his whirlygig on his back. He teleports with a squad (with some orky downsides as per usual) then with his traktor kannon if he hits he drags a unit closer or gives his unit a bonus to charge, opening up Orkz to have some real mobility options outside of just Trukks and Wagons. Other than that I cant see what niche this Mekboss will fit, do we need a traktor kannon boss? My hope is he has some ranged weapon buffing ability kind of like Szeras, but random again, opening up dakka to be a bit more impactful. But saying that what would he be able to join that matters. Shootaboyz and MANz? Lootaz/Burnaz? Or maybe they make him a Lone Op that has a aura buff. Cant really see what direction they will go with this guy if it comes to dakka boosting.

**The Red Hobbit**

Great model for Ufthak Blackhawk, too bad it's Legends

The model for

Afrodactyl wrote:Some sort of Mek Boss with a wrench/Klaw and traktor kannon in the previews. Bodes well for those wanting more Dakka focused waaaghs

Grimskul wrote:Yeah, I'm glad they're moving more into Mek territory this time around, seemed to be somewhat neglected. Not sure if it'll be a special character (Orkimedes perhaps?), or if it's a new generic Mek Boss as Afrodactyl mentioned. Either way, looking forward to seeing how they interact vehicles, particularly walkers, so we can have vehicle heavy lists besides trukk spam be viable as an army archetype.

A new Mek Boss would be great and hopefully the traktor kannon will have a fun but silly rule. I'm also hoping they rethink some of the leaders such as the SAG Mek rerolling 1s doesn't help when it's leading Lootas or half the time leading Mek Guns

**Afrodactyl**

Well, Ufthak is currently Legends. He may get actual rules in the coming codex. Unlikely, but still a possibility.

I'm honestly hoping we don't change that much with the new codex (other than Tankbustas and planes). Not only for competitive reasons, but I'm spending enough on Tomb Kings in the new year so my Ork budget is significantly reduced

**Tomsug**

Stupid question, sorry…

**No wolves on Fenris**

I’m sure this has already been asked and answered before but just asking… if a Waaagh has been called would Ghaz get the devastating wounds rule as well as his Meganobz if he is attached to that unit?

**JNAProductions**

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
I’m sure this has already been asked and answered before but just asking… if a Waaagh has been called would Ghaz get the devastating wounds rule as well as his Meganobz if he is attached to that unit?

Yes. The rule applies to the whole unit.

**No wolves on Fenris**

Thank you. That makes a big unit of MANZ and Ghaz with Makati quite lethal then during a waaagh

**JNAProductions**

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Thank you. That makes a big unit of MANZ and Ghaz with Makati quite lethal then during a waaagh

Note that Makari's Lethal Hits will actually decrease your odds of scoring a Devastating Wound.

**Tomsug**

I checked the warhammer eshop couple of times and…

Big trakk, Mega/Meka dread and Warboss on Warbike are out. Not a single word.

Other FW are there.

And if you want to buy a Deffrolla, you need to buy a whole “Bonebreaker” model

)

And the background of the LVO show is so green that it calls Waaaaghh

**Afrodactyl**

Tomsug wrote:
I checked the warhammer eshop couple of times and…

Big trakk, Mega/Meka dread and Warboss on Warbike are out. Not a single word.

Other FW are there.

And if you want to buy a Deffrolla, you need to buy a whole “Bonebreaker” model )

And the background of the LVO show is so green that it calls Waaaaghh

Looks like those FW units are either getting completely axed, or coming back in plastic when the codex drops.

But that bodes well for the Grot Tanks, Kill Tanks and Squiggoths remaining, as theyve remained on the website when stuffs being taken down.

**Tomsug**

Afrodactyl wrote:
Tomsug wrote:
I checked the warhammer eshop couple of times and…

Big trakk, Mega/Meka dread and Warboss on Warbike are out. Not a single word.

Other FW are there.

And if you want to buy a Deffrolla, you need to buy a whole “Bonebreaker” model )

And the background of the LVO show is so green that it calls Waaaaghh

Looks like those FW units are either getting completely axed, or coming back in plastic when the codex drops.

But that bodes well for the Grot Tanks, Kill Tanks and Squiggoths remaining, as theyve remained on the website when stuffs being taken down.

Yeah exactly. Which can be interpreted in the two ways:

1. Do not buy FW models, big risk of not be able to play them in the future.
2. I ' ve just finished the old Half Trukk from FW. I gonna play it as a Trukk. In ork army nobody cares. And after years of looking I get my hands on Kill Krusha. I gonna play it as Killtank. Wanna know how much have I paid? You don ' t wanna know… Buy FW models you like now. The moment they discontinued them their price is skyrocket. And they are great models. The whole Big Trakk - Kill Krusha - Meka Dread - Kustom Stompa - Grot Tanks line are the best ork models ever. The contemporary models are mediocer the best.