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Combi on an intercessor sarge?

 Nevelon wrote:
Combi on an intercessor sarge?

Sternguard sarge.

 Crimson wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Combi on an intercessor sarge?

Sternguard sarge.

You are correct. They even call it out in the article, and he’s got the backpack bling. Fail on my part.

Just wishfully thinking we might get more options back into marines squad builds, and this was a backdoor/precursor.

 Nevelon wrote:


Just wishfully thinking we might get more options back into marines squad builds, and this was a backdoor/precursor.

Well, latest Valrak rumour was that there will be a primaris tactical squad, whatever that means.

I'd have been interested if it was easy enough to get all 7. As it is the only winners here are ebay resellers. Pass.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well aren't those the most boring 7 unique sprues they've ever made.

Yeah, some of the most generic, least 'Dark Angel' Dark Angel minis released.

I'd be a lot more enthusiastic about picking up blind boxes if we could play odd size squads again without a points handicap. Unless the secret probably-reiver-lieutenant is incredible this is an easy pass.

grahamdbailey wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well aren't those the most boring 7 unique sprues they've ever made.

Yeah, some of the most generic, least 'Dark Angel' Dark Angel minis released.

I don't think any of the loyalist Heroes have been particularly chapter branded outside the paint job.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

grahamdbailey wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well aren't those the most boring 7 unique sprues they've ever made.

Yeah, some of the most generic, least 'Dark Angel' Dark Angel minis released.

I don't think any of the loyalist Heroes have been particularly chapter branded outside the paint job.

Only the Death Guard Heroes run was specific.

They're only alternate sculpts, but these and the Stormcast Heroes they did felt very perfunctory.
Like, they're solid, but Strike Force Justian had some flavor to it.

Maybe next time we will get a Horus Heresy Heroes set with Mk II, III, IV, and VI, A Cataphractii Terminator, a Tartaros Terminator, and a Consul as the blind. Have the 4 basic armor marks as a tac marine, a despoiler, an assault marine, and a breacher.

I honestly wish they'd kept to more of a unified squad for these sets rather than these weird assortment of alt sculpts for a hodge podge of squads.

Nu-marine designs instead of tru(er) scale old school marines - miss

Incredibly generic poses - double miss

Taking the greedy cashgrab mentality to a new high - right out of the park and into a pile of excrement.


I’m almost impressed.

Ooh looks like a new Primaris Phobos Lieutenant there.


That'll make a change...

No guaranteed 7 minis for a full display = no buy for me.

I've never been a fan of Reivers. The other four would make decent additions to my Deathwatch army though.

I saw a quick run down someone did of the new Space Wolf Detachments.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/hobbies-and-interests/general/codex-supplement-space-wolves-detachments-ranked-worst-to-best/ar-AA1HAlRK

They seem lore appropriate for the SW, but it was disheartening to hear that the base Astarties detachments will still probably perform better, and that several SM character models might still be needed for a truly top tier competitive game.

Now I realize that the above is just one guys opinion, but the wolves used to hold their own, using their own. I know coming back into the game, I was surprised at how many of my key 5th ed models couldn't be run unless I did a count as for a SM character of some sort.

If you have already and army you cant use them if you start with the hobby you cant use them.

those are no hero's they are line men.

only use i see for this is my bitsboxs
or if you would like to paint some marines as a none marine player.

Sometimes it’s nice to have spare bodies for kitbash work. If you take a basic marine and tool him up into a character, you end up with an under strength squad, which is useless in 10th.

These guys seem very basic. Free mini of the month or intro painting level. Not cool enough to track down.

It's difficult to nail down just why Strike Force Justian is more interesting than Variel, considering they're arguably even more generic outside of their namesake. Seems counterintuitive, but having three members of Justian be normal Intercessors might've helped make it feel like a more cohesive team with easily identified specialists when compared to all seven members of Variel hailing from different units. More subjectively, I never liked the look of the Infernus, and the Sternguard just lacks presence, so no matter what the Justian Eliminator and Heavy Intercessor would be my preference anyway

Variel himself will probably look alright, as every other Phobos Lieutenant has. He's even armed with his combat knife, so they've got that design language locked down tight.

Unfortunately it's all moot, because like everyone else, I'm completely put off by the lack of a guarantee of a full set

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
....Unfortunately it's all moot, because like everyone else, I'm completely put off by the lack of a guarantee of a full set

100% agree.

The full set guarantee wouldn't be an issue if the generic models were a cohesive unit though - if they were just modernised tac marines with either a cosmetic option or a wargear option on each sprue people would want to buy as many as they can get their hands on regardless of the odds of getting the character.

Why not 40K Heroes?

The Space Marines are not to be discounted, obviously, but this would work so much better if it was a model from several factions. An Ork Boyz, Genestealer, Necron, Inquisitor, Knight pilot, Estate Agent or Dinner Lady.

What they have here boils down to wanting a box of marines...just buy a bloody primaris unit and be done with it.

It's basically Gatchapon with miniatures. I like that it's Dark Angels, but as others have pointed out they don't have anything on them that calls them out as such, other than being green plastic. I wouldn't mind that Lieutenant, if it's a decent sculpt, even if it's just for the meme of having yet another Primaris Lieutenant.

SamusDrake wrote:
Why not 40K Heroes?

The Space Marines are not to be discounted, obviously, but this would work so much better if it was a model from several factions. An Ork Boyz, Genestealer, Necron, Inquisitor, Knight pilot, Estate Agent or Dinner Lady.

What they have here boils down to wanting a box of marines...just buy a bloody primaris unit and be done with it.

At this point, there are enough plastic Aspects to do them plus an Autarch

This is one of those rare products where I'm GLAD they're only for marines... Because blind-boxes suck, and if they made them for factions I cared about, I'd probably be tempted to participate in the suckosity.

Marine fans?

You can have this crap.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well aren't those the most boring 7 unique sprues they've ever made.

Pretty much. The Sergeant is ok. The Lieutenant may or may not be interesting. The rest just look like regular Marines, so I'm honestly confused as to what the draw is supposed to be here. There is nothing about these models that would make me want any of them enough to be worth paying for blind boxes.




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SamusDrake wrote:
Why not 40K Heroes?

The Space Marines are not to be discounted, obviously, but this would work so much better if it was a model from several factions. An Ork Boyz, Genestealer, Necron, Inquisitor, Knight pilot, Estate Agent or Dinner Lady..

A set full of models for random characters pulled from old John Blanche art would be an immediate buy.

It's weird to find myself defending them (as a person who divested themselves of all Marine Slop 10+ years ago and now takes any opportunity to tell people who still think marines are cool badasses bro that they have retrograde lowbrow teenage tastes and that's a skill issue) but isn't it enough that the models are new, original poses in the monopose landscape?

Like no one is calling them ugly, they're calling them boring. But a squad of "troops" (don't know what they're called in Spent'th Edition, don't know which Primaris units are what) should optimally be a group of boring and original poses, no?

 Altruizine wrote:
... but isn't it enough that the models are new, original poses in the monopose landscape?

No.

Back in the age of metal models, it might have been enough. Even in the age of early multi-part plastics where the poses were limited by the design of the parts, so it was easy to see where every individual part came from, it might have been enough.

In the current design paradigm, where everything is in a funky action pose, these models are indistinguishable from regular marines.

GW
Makes the poses super unique, fancy and amazing


Customers - complain that they feel pressured to own them whilst its a random blind buy and that he models aren't useable in regular armies because they stand out too much. Esp if they have duplicates



GW makes the models more standard issue and design so they don't stand out

Customers - complain about that and now want super unique and fancy models that do stand out.




It's a catch that GW can't really win on with this product whilst this product is releasing models that fit within the game. In the end you could argue that having them look regular and standard is better since if you get duplicates you can just run them as regular infantry just like you would any duplicates from regular packs. Then you're just bak to the "every model looks the same these days mono-pose style sculpting"

That just looks like an issue with the blind buy model. Once gambling enters into the equation, to the customer the payoff needs to reflect the risk to be satisfied. That's not easy to achieve and not even all that desirable. It's not like GW needs to "win" this one. They gain plenty from a predatory approach like that already.

In what way is their approach 'predatory'?