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On Ferrus Manus? I’m pretty sure Fulgrim had him cloned a bunch of times to try and turn him traitor.

So it’s not necessarily Ghost Hands. If it’s true, which let’s face it, it almost certainly isn’t.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:

 ikeulhu wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

No! That privilege belongs to DOOMRIDER!!! alone!

Fair, I too would much rather see them bring back a gloriously awesome DOOMRIDER over introducing Ghost Manus!

Why not both?

Sounds like a great setup for a big box: Ghost Manus and some LotD (mounted or otherwise) vs. Doomrider and new chaos bikers.

The ideal new battle box would be DOOMRIDER!!! and his bikers vs. some orks led by wAzDakKa GuTzMeK!

Tyel wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Lady Malys should keep the veil on

In the context of Malys above.

Whining about GW's weird turn on art has been done before, and may be redundant since they are probably only a few years away from going "eh, just get AI to do it".

But I can't work out who thought it was "good". I guess if they are phoning stuff in because "eh, its New Marines this week, that'll do" it sort of makes sense - but it seems a bit bizarre in the context that all of this is marketing.

I guess its subjective all the way down, but I feel there's been an awful lot of "misses" from about 2016 onwards.

What I don't understand is why the model's face looks so drastically different. Every imperial character's face looks like it's art - Calgar coming out looks like the SM2 art. The model's face is generic fnatasy elf which is bad, but then the art is this weird design that's neither fantasy art nor the angular haunted alien beauty aesthetic GW used to use for eldar. Really unsure what the hell they were doing.



To the comments about space hulk previously - I feel they could get Kill Team boxes to do double time with a space hulk release. Write space hulk lists for each box and release online or in the box book. The core box can be a terminator team vs genestealers, but then anyone can use a kill team box to replace the terminators.

Pretty sure they already did Kill Team: Space Hulk edition last time round. Navy Breachers and some other ones that go in space.

Hot take: Scale creep has made a good new edition of Space Hulk impossible. The (original and best, first edition of the) game barely fits on my 4’ x 5’ gaming table with 25mm based terminators and genestealers. I would need an 8’ long table with if the game were scaled up to accommodate 40mm bases.

 Pariah Press wrote:
Hot take: Scale creep has made a good new edition of Space Hulk impossible. The (original and best, first edition of the) game barely fits on my 4’ x 5’ gaming table with 25mm based terminators and genestealers. I would need an 8’ long table with if the game were scaled up to accommodate 40mm bases.

My Space Marine: Tyranid Attack game has a smaller board, but still gives the same experience of Space hulk and has 32/40mm Marines in the game.

Iracundus wrote:


Lady Malys should keep the veil on

I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

 vipoid wrote:


I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

Are you joking or is this something they've said? I hate the anodyne GW monoculture art these days.

JWBS wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

Are you joking or is this something they've said? I hate the anodyne GW monoculture art these days.

It’s something they said, but not specifically about art. Just the we hire for attitude, not talent.

IIRC it was during the Kirby years, so a lot of unhinged things were said. But also, you can teach people skills, so getting employees with the right mindset can make sense. To a point.

 vipoid wrote:

Spoiler:

Iracundus wrote:


Lady Malys should keep the veil on

I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

Um... it reminds me of the DE artwork in 4th edition.

 vipoid wrote:


I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

You do realise Paul Dainton's been working for GW for over two decades now?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

You do realise Paul Dainton's been working for GW for over two decades now?

Your point being?

 vipoid wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

You do realise Paul Dainton's been working for GW for over two decades now?

Your point being?

Paul Dainton's art is what makes 40k awesome. He has done multiple codex covers and some of the most iconic stuff in the history of 40k.

 vipoid wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


I guess this is what happens when you hire on attitude and not artistic talent.

You do realise Paul Dainton's been working for GW for over two decades now?

Your point being?

That he wasn't hired on attitude.

https://www.artstation.com/piddy

Not liking an artist's style doesn't make their art bad, either, just not your taste.

I think that artist has lots of great work but that lady malys is a big miss

Most typical elfish features would be hard to catch at that angle. The artist painted it as it would actually look, while most artist would have just painted a familliar face you would expect from a cruel drukkhari, regardless of the angle.

The end result was not great in my opinion. Lack most of the menacing feeling you want from DE

 Fayric wrote:
Most typical elfish features would be hard to catch at that angle. The artist painted it as it would actually look, while most artist would have just painted a familliar face you would expect from a cruel drukkhari, regardless of the angle.

The end result was not great in my opinion. Lack most of the menacing feeling you want from DE

Part of the Drukhari 'thing' is that they really look like disgusting monsters, but all that soul-eating lets them affect a glamour that makes them look more elfy. Any art depicting them should be at either extreme end of the repellent spectrum, not this middle-ground.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
So, does anyone know how many officers exist for the Ultramarines now?

Aren't we about to hit the saturation point and run out of named Ultramarines to release?

I mean, while you can just represent them with the basic versions of the models, like heavy intercessors, you could make a whole new model for each of the space marine 2 classes. Titus is a lieutenant and got his own model, why not? Six new character space marine models, Valius the vanguard, Vespasius the assault, Decimus the vanguard, Quartus the bulwark, Scipius the sniper, and Straban the heavy. Each of them could lead their respective units and give them buffs or act as lone operatives (as some of my teammates love to do to me). Plus, could always add gadrial and chairon if they’re desperate.

Nothing about the Malys model or artwork really suggests a figure crazy enough to cut out her own heart and replace it with a weird crystal she just won from some magical hobo she met in the webway, using a sword which moves on its own, and then got significantly more unhinged after that.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Nothing about the Malys model or artwork really suggests a figure crazy enough to cut out her own heart and replace it with a weird crystal she just won from some magical hobo she met in the webway, using a sword which moves on its own, and then got significantly more unhinged after that.

How would one show that in a single picture of someone? I agree that the art isn't the best, but that feels like an excessive ask.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Nothing about the Malys model or artwork really suggests a figure crazy enough to cut out her own heart and replace it with a weird crystal she just won from some magical hobo she met in the webway, using a sword which moves on its own, and then got significantly more unhinged after that.

How would one show that in a single picture of someone? I agree that the art isn't the best, but that feels like an excessive ask.

Dunno. I'm not being paid to be an artist.

Something more than 'just another evil elf' though, probably.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Nothing about the Malys model or artwork really suggests a figure crazy enough to cut out her own heart and replace it with a weird crystal she just won from some magical hobo she met in the webway, using a sword which moves on its own, and then got significantly more unhinged after that.

How would one show that in a single picture of someone? I agree that the art isn't the best, but that feels like an excessive ask.

Dunno. I'm not being paid to be an artist.

Something more than 'just another evil elf' though, probably.

To be fair, she is not an incredibly uniqe character. Was not important or spectacular enough to get a model of her own back in 5th edition.

 Fayric wrote:
To be fair, she is not an incredibly uniqe character. Was not important or spectacular enough to get a model of her own back in 5th edition.

She's more unique than most of the Space Marine special characters.

 Fayric wrote:
To be fair, she is not an incredibly uniqe character.

Makes perfect sense that she's getting a model and new rules now then, eh?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
To be fair, she is not an incredibly uniqe character. Was not important or spectacular enough to get a model of her own back in 5th edition.

She's more unique than most of the Space Marine special characters.

Whaddya mean? You can't tell one raging bald white dude in power armour from another raging bald white dude in power armour?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Whaddya mean? You can't tell one raging bald white dude in power armour from another raging bald white dude in power armour?

Eh...

I mean this maybe sounds like a reach - but to use recent examples I'm not sure many generic SM characters could be confused with Calgar.
I, Cato Sicarius was memed to the point he's so bad he's good - but he's kind of unique too.

My issue with Malys is precisely that the model could just be a kitbashed Archon. And this art could also just be... anyone?
Much like how the new Archon... could just be a kitbashed Archon.

Some people will like that. But I don't.

I don't know how - in art, or as a mini - you'd encapsulate something beyond "female kabalite with a fan".
But this is presumably why Yvraine got a weird base size, a massive dress and a cat. Because even if the model is getting a little dated, its clearly not something you made from a bunch of Dark Eldar bitz.

I think its sort of why I still have a soft spot for the original Archon. Sure, its kind of a derpy model. But you see it and think "that's an Archon". Its not a Sybarite with delusions of grandeur.

Well I did comment originally that Malys looked bit too sane for an evil mastermind that has supposedly carved her own heart out.

And I mean that she is evil but model looks too heroic. More an regular eldar than eldar that eats babies.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
To be fair, she is not an incredibly uniqe character.

Makes perfect sense that she's getting a model and new rules now then, eh?

Spoiler:

Wait, no; that's dumb.

Because of nostalgia. People love to have a reference to former editions rather than make up new players.

There is something with new GW arts, like BT codex cover or malys. Broken perspective and composition. And every accent toned down.