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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Excited for all the Ork stuff. The rest is solid, but the Ork stuff is definitely what I'm most hyped for.

I note the Boy shown off has Slugga, Choppa and Shoota.

Provided it is a basic Boy? That could give Ork players some interesting new options.

If the assumption is that all boys have all the options from a game mechanic POV, it’s a little less required from a WYSWYG standpoint to differentiate. You can just mix boys with either/or/both in the same mob and call it done.

Indeed. Also, people being moany about WYSIWYG for base line “every comes with it” equipment need to give their head a wobble, and seem likely to be no fun any way,

Does feel like the logical end point of trying and mostly failing to make Shoota boyz a thing for several decades.

Ork Boys are now officially smarter than Plague Marines, Nice

Well those armored cars will make a nice addition to my WA Damned.

I'd bet within a week of release there'll be a 3rd party wheeled conversion kit for the halftrack.

I expected the 40k reveals to be meh, but honestly these aren't bad at all.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Excited for all the Ork stuff. The rest is solid, but the Ork stuff is definitely what I'm most hyped for.

I note the Boy shown off has Slugga, Choppa and Shoota.

Provided it is a basic Boy? That could give Ork players some interesting new options.

If the assumption is that all boys have all the options from a game mechanic POV, it’s a little less required from a WYSWYG standpoint to differentiate. You can just mix boys with either/or/both in the same mob and call it done.

Place bets, are intercessors and assault intercessors still a thing in 11th, or are intercessors all armed with chainsword, pistol and rifle?

I assume not from the preview mini, but it's a little weird it happened for boyz and nobody else. Unless they realised that hitting on 6s all game from the terrain change made the shoota basically worthless.

Dudeface wrote:

I assume not from the preview mini, but it's a little weird it happened for boyz and nobody else. Unless they realised that hitting on 6s all game from the terrain change made the shoota basically worthless.

It's entirely because they created a monopose Boyz kit that was locked to a 5 choppa/3 shoota is mix of grunts that didn't work at all on the table.

Interesting to see the return of Weirdboyz, and Land Speeders in the trailer but the new Mekboy walker is grabbing all my attention.

Until further notice (its proper name shown off) I shall refer to it as….a Waaagh! Walker.

No. I will not get my coat.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Until further notice (its proper name shown off) I shall refer to it as….a Waaagh! Walker.

No. I will not get my coat.

Someone at GW is urgently rushing to copyright this as I type.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed. Also, people being moany about WYSIWYG for base line “every comes with it” equipment need to give their head a wobble, and seem likely to be no fun any way,

How dare people care about their models being accurate representations of what they supposedly are!

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed. Also, people being moany about WYSIWYG for base line “every comes with it” equipment need to give their head a wobble, and seem likely to be no fun any way,

How dare people care about their models being accurate representations of what they supposedly are!

I want Grenades modeled on every guardsman an Eldar model!

 LunarSol wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

I assume not from the preview mini, but it's a little weird it happened for boyz and nobody else. Unless they realised that hitting on 6s all game from the terrain change made the shoota basically worthless.

It's entirely because they created a monopose Boyz kit that was locked to a 5 choppa/3 shoota is mix of grunts that didn't work at all on the table.

Well it isn't because this replaces that kit logically.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed. Also, people being moany about WYSIWYG for base line “every comes with it” equipment need to give their head a wobble, and seem likely to be no fun any way,

How dare people care about their models being accurate representations of what they supposedly are!

I want Grenades modeled on every guardsman an Eldar model!

Both have a fair point here.

Lord Damocles - it is good to have models fully built, and if converted or scratch built? Visually Distinctive From Across The Board. But, what I was getting at here is if I’m right and this is a sign that all Ork Boyz will come with Shoota, Slugga and Choppa regardless? Only a total Richard, who was never going to be a fun opponent anyway, is going to moan about WYSIWYG for older models. Granted and fair play I didn’t actually say that, so not having a pop.

Lathe Biosas - this sort of thing is also a fair point. If my unit comes with Frag Grenades, or Plasma Grenades, or Stikkbomz of whatever, as standard, as in they’re not actually an upgrade? Whether they’re modelled on the unit or not doesn’t really matter. But, and as I was fair to Lord Damocles? This doesn’t necessarily extend to Krak Grenades if they’re an upgrade, or if a unit can upgrade pistols to shootier pistols, but they’re all claimed to be holstered.

The key here is Visual Distinction For Upgrades Only.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Interesting to see the return of Weirdboyz, and Land Speeders in the trailer but the new Mekboy walker is grabbing all my attention.

I do not care for the modern stormspeeders. They are too big and overgunned for lightweight recon support platforms. Which is the job of the classic Land Speeder. Good to see we will be getting them back. Hopefully not too mangled in the update.

I feel like some of the 40K models previewed would have been interesting 15 years ago.

I still hate the new soft round Orks. That first picture with the Biker Orks...That power claw thing what is that a power hand it's tiny and look completely under built to be an Ork weapon.

The Guard stuff is laughably late to the party as well. That half track specifically.

The sisters stuff looks like one would expect so hurray for continuity.

 warhead01 wrote:
I still hate the new soft round Orks. That first picture with the Biker Orks...That power claw thing what is that a power hand it's tiny and look completely under built to be an Ork weapon.

The klaw is designed in such a way that Wazdakka can still use it to hold the handle bar, which both explains the grooves at the base of the blades and its size.

Oooh! I are rite!

Warhammer Community wrote:Ork Boyz now have the best of both worlds, with every boy carrying a choppa, slugga, AND shoota into battle – all they need to rake Space Marine lines with a hail of bullets before charging in for a proper scrap.

So, that’s a nice confirmation this thread, isn’t it Dakka?

I mean, it was outright stated in the stream, so didn't really need any confirming.

Which is fantastic. If you watched the stream. And didn’t, to pick an example entirely at random which may or may not be based on my day today, have a 4:30am alarm set so you could be up and doing to be in the car for 5am for a commute to the office because you couldn’t actually get out of being in the office for once, when the steam was live at 1am.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Which is fantastic. If you watched the stream. And didn’t, to pick an example entirely at random which may or may not be based on my day today, have a 4:30am alarm set so you could be up and doing to be in the car for 5am for a commute to the office because you couldn’t actually get out of being in the office for once, when the steam was live at 1am.

(it's also written right above the picture of the new Boy in the community article).

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Which is fantastic. If you watched the stream. And didn’t, to pick an example entirely at random which may or may not be based on my day today, have a 4:30am alarm set so you could be up and doing to be in the car for 5am for a commute to the office because you couldn’t actually get out of being in the office for once, when the steam was live at 1am.

(it's also written right above the picture of the new Boy in the community article).

Shhhh, don't tell Mad Dok to read the fine print! That's why he's locked into all his subscriptions for Jared Leto magazines with no way out!

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
STEEL LEGION

But they don't match my metals.

Im sort of disappointed by this. Caving in to internet yelling isn't a great thing generally and theyre2025 early art sketches. So not only will the guard now have 4 legally distinct infantry, heavy weapons, command squads and +1 unique per regiment bloating it's ass out, it's also gobbling up a lot of releases and production effort for the next 2-3 years.

The copyright mark in the lowrr left corner that says "2025" makes it clear this was always the plan.

Not really, it shows they drew them in 2025, it doesnt mean they ever intended to take it forwards and it obviously wasn't planned to coincide with 11th even if it did. Plus, kinda sucks for the poor catachans to get moved back if this is for their 11th codex.

So what, you think its a coincidence that the last 10e Crusade was set on Armageddon, the last of the 10e filler material focuses on Armageddon, the 11e box is called Armageddon, and GW just conveniently has 2025 dated Steel Legion art ready to show off?
You really believe GW wasnt planning to sell all new, slightly different SL figures during 11e?
That they suddenly caved to internet bitching?

Oh and then they said something to the effect of the new SL kits won't be out until a couple of years from now. Hmm, sounds like they're planning to sell SL in 11e....
You know what that tells me? That my next Guard Codex will be along in 2028 - complete with a brand new version of the Steel Legion in tow.
I'm betting late Q2.

Beardy debate over why steel legion reveal timing asides....

It's very odd they seem to want to commit to a second great coat, helmet, mask infantry kit. As opposed to catachan, vostroyan or any other guard regiment. The most I expected was a conversion/heads kit and even that seemed a bit of an ask.

Just sharing this for people who want an early start

https://us.warlordgames.com/products/m3a1-half-track

~$33

Not sure if the Bolt Action ones are large enough for 40k but in case people want to go down the line of smaller vehicles

There is also Rubicon: https://www.rubiconmodelsusa.com/collections/rubicon-1-56th-ww-ii-usa-vehicles
25$ for the half track and 26$ for the armoured car and 34$ for a Pershing that makes a fitting RD tank



for the more larger vehicles that may be more in line with the current 40k size (the 1/35 M8/M20 armoured car has a length of 143 mm, just as a reference if we can figure out the length of the new 40k one), one should look for 1/35
you get the 3 vehicles from above also from the usual scale model shops in that size

ccs wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
STEEL LEGION

But they don't match my metals.

Im sort of disappointed by this. Caving in to internet yelling isn't a great thing generally and theyre2025 early art sketches. So not only will the guard now have 4 legally distinct infantry, heavy weapons, command squads and +1 unique per regiment bloating it's ass out, it's also gobbling up a lot of releases and production effort for the next 2-3 years.

The copyright mark in the lowrr left corner that says "2025" makes it clear this was always the plan.

Not really, it shows they drew them in 2025, it doesnt mean they ever intended to take it forwards and it obviously wasn't planned to coincide with 11th even if it did. Plus, kinda sucks for the poor catachans to get moved back if this is for their 11th codex.

So what, you think its a coincidence that the last 10e Crusade was set on Armageddon, the last of the 10e filler material focuses on Armageddon, the 11e box is called Armageddon, and GW just conveniently has 2025 dated Steel Legion art ready to show off?
You really believe GW wasnt planning to sell all new, slightly different SL figures during 11e?
That they suddenly caved to internet bitching?

Oh and then they said something to the effect of the new SL kits won't be out until a couple of years from now. Hmm, sounds like they're planning to sell SL in 11e....
You know what that tells me? That my next Guard Codex will be along in 2028 - complete with a brand new version of the Steel Legion in tow.
I'm betting late Q2.

Yes. I think if you plan on spending 6 months hyping armageddon and all your steel legion art is dated after it was sent to the printer, you had no intention of releasing steel legion in the context of armageddon.

I really hope you're wrong. Catachan deserve a release for more than simply appeasing some internet egos with a subfaction 99% of people didn't care about 2 months ago.

 RustyNumber wrote:
Beardy debate over why steel legion reveal timing asides....

It's very odd they seem to want to commit to a second great coat, helmet, mask infantry kit. As opposed to catachan, vostroyan or any other guard regiment. The most I expected was a conversion/heads kit and even that seemed a bit of an ask.

If they are two years away, that gives them plenty of time to sneak in some guys that don't have gasmasks.

If they can use a KT slot for Cadians in a coat there's no reason they can't pump out several different regiments

I'm not part of the Valrak ragetrain but Armageddon was my formative campaign, in my uni years I mained Speed Freeks and regularly faced a mostly Steel Legion IG army. Personally I'm frankly astounded anyone cares about Catachans

Dudeface wrote:
Yes. I think if you plan on spending 6 months hyping armageddon and all your steel legion art is dated after it was sent to the printer, you had no intention of releasing steel legion in the context of armageddon.

Honestly Armageddon works as the context for all sorts of releases throughout the next edition. Something like half the factions in the game will be there.

They could plausibly spend a full Kill Team season covering releases like Marines, Orks, Grey Knights, Chaos, and eventually Steel Legion.

Vorian wrote:

If they are two years away, that gives them plenty of time to sneak in some guys that don't have gasmasks.

If they can use a KT slot for Cadians in a coat there's no reason they can't pump out several different regiments

The range of melee weapon designs makes me think that SL are also initially being planned as a KT release.

So yeah there's absolutely room for a Catachan range alongside the next guard codex in 2027/28, and also release a Steel Legion KT in 2028+.