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 Nevelon wrote:
Do we think those are both full new kits, or a bonus frame in an existing box?

Wolves look to be unique from all the phobos kits I recognize. Don’t know enough about the tau.

Both completely new kits, yes.

Hmm, big fat Meh from me. I do like Space Wolves, but these just don't really do it for me. Feels like bare arms, or leather gloves instead of power armour gauntlets, are just differences for the sake of difference and don't really add anything. No point to it. They're just... marines. Assorted wolfy gubbins are OK I suppose. Tau stealth suits are boring, these are boring.

Mr Insomniac wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we think those are both full new kits, or a bonus frame in an existing box?

Wolves look to be unique from all the phobos kits I recognize. Don’t know enough about the tau.

Both completely new kits, yes.

Yes, this. There’s no way the old stealth kit would support all those extras without adding enough parts to basically be a new kit anyway. The scouts are bare-armed Phobos in new poses so again enough spare parts to be a new kit.

Everyone looks good, regardless.

I think its kits like new reveners and ratlings

Do we want to guess on if the new kits will also build strpped down 40k squads? Like the ravners have both a basic and hyperadapted version?

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we think those are both full new kits, or a bonus frame in an existing box?

Wolves look to be unique from all the phobos kits I recognize. Don’t know enough about the tau.

Those XV-26 are a completely different kit from the current XV-25.

Crispy78 wrote:
Hmm, big fat Meh from me. I do like Space Wolves, but these just don't really do it for me. Feels like bare arms, or leather gloves instead of power armour gauntlets, are just differences for the sake of difference and don't really add anything. No point to it. They're just... marines. Assorted wolfy gubbins are OK I suppose. Tau stealth suits are boring, these are boring.

Bare arms is essentially what marks them as Scouts. That's been true of all the Scouts variants we've seen so far including these guys, the new Scouts and Crusader squads.


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 Nevelon wrote:
Do we want to guess on if the new kits will also build strpped down 40k squads? Like the ravners have both a basic and hyperadapted version?

Generally everything in Kill Team has gotten 40k rules of some sort. Still waiting on the Tomb World stuff though....

 LunarSol wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Hmm, big fat Meh from me. I do like Space Wolves, but these just don't really do it for me. Feels like bare arms, or leather gloves instead of power armour gauntlets, are just differences for the sake of difference and don't really add anything. No point to it. They're just... marines. Assorted wolfy gubbins are OK I suppose. Tau stealth suits are boring, these are boring.

Bare arms is essentially what marks them as Scouts. That's been true of all the Scouts variants we've seen so far including these guys, the new Scouts and Crusader squads.

Hopefully bare arms aren't that essential. Only the pack leader has them.

It's good that GW acknowledges that Space Wolf Scouts should have their own models, though.

New and different Tau suits are always welcome, just shows the variety/development of their tech

 Geifer wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Hmm, big fat Meh from me. I do like Space Wolves, but these just don't really do it for me. Feels like bare arms, or leather gloves instead of power armour gauntlets, are just differences for the sake of difference and don't really add anything. No point to it. They're just... marines. Assorted wolfy gubbins are OK I suppose. Tau stealth suits are boring, these are boring.

Bare arms is essentially what marks them as Scouts. That's been true of all the Scouts variants we've seen so far including these guys, the new Scouts and Crusader squads.

Hopefully bare arms aren't that essential. Only the pack leader has them.

It's good that GW acknowledges that Space Wolf Scouts should have their own models, though.

Huh, you're right. Didn't look that close. Now that I'm really looking at them, these guys are actually in Phobos armor rather than scouts.

There sure are a lot of tactical rocks lying around the corridors of Necron tomb worlds these days

Hmm...with a bit of work I could probably swap the Stealth Suit heads for Breacher heads for an appearance that's closer to the old XV15 suits.

I think the Tau guys look pretty neat. I was hoping they would put out a Crusader Kill Team to continue the Inquisitor line, like the Sanctifiers do. Space knights just seem so much cooler than Space Marines, doubly so now as all the Primaris armour types suck.

Hmm, it doesn't look like scout armour for me, more like the Phobos pattern. More marines isn't exactly what makes the game more interesting imho, but I guess it sells boxes...

It makes sense it’s phobos.

Scouts wear carapace not just because it’s light, stealthy, and more more maneuverable then normal power armor, but also because the do not have the black carapace implanted, which allows marines to mesh seamlessly with their armor.

Wolf Scouts are not novices, but full marines with all the implants. So it makes sense they get phobos armor, which has all the same perks as scout armor, and better protection and integration.

It will be interesting to see if they have a 4+ or 3+ save once the rules drop.

I like them both. A good update on stealth suits to make them more dynamic, though I agree the spots of specific white panels isn't a great paint job. That's easy to fix, though.

Wolf Scouts are a nice version of phobos marines. You either like the armor or you don't, and these won't convince your otherwise. Some of the heads are kind of obnoxious, but if there's one thing wolf players should have, it's plenty of head options in their bits boxes. The Pack Leader is a nice update on the classic wolf sculpt. Really like the Rune Priest, and it's cute that they all have their napping blankets strapped to their backpacks.

Both great kits. I quite like the gritty paint scheme on the Tau, nice change of pace.

Wasn't what I was expecting, but nice all the same.

We're never going to get Stealth Suits cast in clear plastic are we?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We're never going to get Stealth Suits cast in clear plastic are we?

So Wolf Scouts are Infiltrators with a Phobos Librarian Rune Priest now.
I guess the plasma gun totally explains why they are DLC and not in the codex...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So Wolf Scouts are Infiltrators with a Phobos Librarian Rune Priest now.
I guess the plasma gun totally explains why they are DLC and not in the codex...

Their backpacks don’t have any of the normal bits that differentiate the regular phobos squads. Infiltrators/incursors/reivers.

Sarge has a power sword
One guy has a plasma gun, another a plasma pistol
Haywire mine
Marksman type rifle.
Skjald


7 guys pictured, with the sarge and the sniper looking like they share legs.

Will be interesting to see the datasheet

Hugely dissapointed that the wolf scouts are not wolf scouts, but phobos instead.

On the other hand these guys look great. The Phobos Scouts capture the elite veteran feel of the wolf scout lore.
I will allow it.

Marine poses all look pretty samey and with too many tactical rocks to me, but details are nice.
Tau look fine as usual and I like that GW for once didn't give their minis the most boring parade paintjob. At the same time not really a fan of the black&white scheme.
Overall some nice kits, though. Friend of mine plays Wolves and Tau so he'll probably be interested.

I’ve desperately wanted some Wolf Scouts in Phobos armor as a part of their recent release. I don’t *love* these models, but I do like them. There is enough there that, with the existing Phobos kits (and some FW heads from the Oathsworn), I think making some more personalized Wolf Scouts should be straightforward. Yes, a few too many tactical rocks, but some good stuff on there.

Spoken as someone who usually plays his customized Vanguard Space Wolf in Space Marine 2.

So I checked...this is the fourth time new Tau updated minis are in Kill Team starter boxes.

Chalnath (Pathfinders)
Into the Dark (Farstalker Kinband)
Hivestorm (Vespid)
Dead Silence (Stealth Team)

Somebody on the dev squad for Kill Team is a Tau main.

Interesting to see that Logan Grimnar's Great Company is the current 'studio standard' paintjob.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Interesting to see that Logan Grimnar's Great Company is the current 'studio standard' paintjob.

Weirdly they’re a mix. The pack leader and hunter are Ragnar’s company but the rest are Grimnar’s

I'm waiting to see exactly how many of each model we are getting. 6 Stealth Suits and two drones makes sense, that's a legal unit in 40k. The pictured 7 marines (Character included) plus Fenresian wolf does NOT make a unit in GW's now standard 5-man, 10 man squad system.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'm waiting to see exactly how many of each model we are getting. 6 Stealth Suits and two drones makes sense, that's a legal unit in 40k. The pictured 7 marines (Character included) plus Fenresian wolf does NOT make a unit in GW's now standard 5-man, 10 man squad system.

The upcoming Night Lords kit comes with a Character so its very possible and likely that the Rune Priest is separate. 6 man units are fairly common for Marines these days particularly for the chapter specific units. I heavily assumed the Deathwatch kit was going to be a 3-6 unit based on this.

I am betting 6+2 Tau and 5+1 Wolves.
The Leader and Frosteye (sigh) share legs.
Fangbearer and Hunter have the same rock.
Maybe they are a bit like the striking scorpions with a couple swappable tactical rocks.

Not feeling the leather gloves though.
Too simple and remind of old 3rd ed era Chaos Marines.
Also notice the shoulder pads are decals and not raised detail.
Oh wait! the Leader's pad looks raised. Strange.