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So the puppy is Blackfang, and that’s his pack?


There are no wolves on Fenris…

News from Warhammer Community: Dead Silence is up for preorder next Saturday, along with the Deathwatch and Canoptek Circle teams & card decks.
Also the Tomb World terrain.

Oof. Next Saturday is going to be expensive for me.

Dead Silence is €87.50, £67.50, USD$112
Tomb World is €130, £98, USD$165
(Euro price confirmed others based on GWs equivalent currency rates)

GW reveled part of wolf scout abilities. Storm looks pretty good

The option to have most if not all equipped with plasma pistols also seems pretty serious.

This is definitely a match up that appeals to both my brother and myself, but it will probably sellout on preorders as soon as it goes live.

SamusDrake wrote:
This is definitely a match up that appeals to both my brother and myself, but it will probably sellout on preorders as soon as it goes live.

Maybe it is local, but I find this to just not be true. Of course, those who for some unfathomable reasons try to order directly from GW are not doing themselves any favours - either overpaying badly or missing the window to buy - but regular stores, both b&m and online seem to have stocks of these sets long after the launch date and discounted to boot. Not a single player from my group had any problem securing any KT sets locally and, judging from reddit posts, it seems to be like that in other parts of the world too. Don't try to buy from the GW store and you should be fine.

Cyel wrote:


Maybe it is local, but I find this to just not be true. Of course, those who for some unfathomable reasons try to order directly from GW are not doing themselves any favours - either overpaying badly or missing the window to buy - but regular stores, both b&m and online seem to have stocks of these sets long after the launch date and discounted to boot. Not a single player from my group had any problem securing any KT sets locally and, judging from reddit posts, it seems to be like that in other parts of the world too. Don't try to buy from the GW store and you should be fine.

Yeah, I keep hearing this and it never works out on the Kill Team / 40K side of things. Partly the reason I was interested in AOS for a long while...

And I can honestly say that without indie discount I wouldn't bother with GW at all and take up knitting instead. Aside from the odd copy of White Dwarf, I only venture into local indies or Wayland games. 15% or 20% makes it only just worthwhile...

Hmm, and have you tried pre-ordering at your local stores to have a copy set aside for you? That's what seems to work.

Agreed, outside GW store all kits are available. even if there's no discount you always can buy any.


XV-26 reveled, imho not so much impressive as Wolf scouts but still pretty good.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/tbox77lp/kill-team-dead-silence-being-visible-is-old-hat-redefine-stealth-with-the-tau-empires-new-xv26-battlesuits/

Pre-ordering from local stores works fine until allocations get cut and not all such orders can be filled. There is never any 100% guarantee.

Cyel wrote:
Hmm, and have you tried pre-ordering at your local stores to have a copy set aside for you? That's what seems to work.

Well of course I have! That's why I'm cheesed off!

Saying that, one of my indies - a new one - surprised me with a most awesome thing...Kill Team: Commanders! Brand spanking new as well!

stealth suits APL3?! It used to be fairly restrictive what teams got that, but it seems they're giving it to teams I would never expect - it's not like Tau have fast reaction times or enhanced physiology...

Could be due to the various jump jets and what not.

Isn't it's bleeding-edge tech? why shouldn't it have apl3?

How does high tech make your nerves work faster? Or your muscles contract quicker?

A tau is the last species I'd expect to have apl3.

No amount of super suit makes your body make quicker than it can.

Body may be, suite? why not? suite detected enemy, and turns to face it and prepare guns. So nothing stop little gundam to react faster then it's pilot. Pilot will get a bit of overload, but i doubt it gonna be too hard

 Hellebore wrote:
How does high tech make your nerves work faster? Or your muscles contract quicker?

No amount of super suit makes your body make quicker than it can.

Depends on what kinds of combat drugs the suit systems pump into your bloodstream.
Vastly increased awareness of the surroundings thanks to all the sensors also should make your movements and actions on the battlefield more efficient and decisive which can translate into higher APL.

I could see some AI assist in the power armor helping a little. But there is a pretty significant difference in APL 2 and 3.

I suspect it’s due to box size and 40k compatibility. If they wanted them to be a 2 APL KT, they probably would have needed to have more operatives on the team. And not just drones. So they boosted their stats to make the mechanics fit the squad size.

 Nevelon wrote:
I could see some AI assist in the power armor helping a little. But there is a pretty significant difference in APL 2 and 3.

I suspect it’s due to box size and 40k compatibility. If they wanted them to be a 2 APL KT, they probably would have needed to have more operatives on the team. And not just drones. So they boosted their stats to make the mechanics fit the squad size.

+1

I agree, it's game Balance.

If you want fluff: Drone Intelligence is that of a squirrel. Tau squirrels are hyperactive and have ADHD. Thus APL 3.

 Hellebore wrote:
How does high tech make your nerves work faster? Or your muscles contract quicker?

A tau is the last species I'd expect to have apl3.

No amount of super suit makes your body make quicker than it can.

But it can help you do multiple complex actions. If you’re legging it, aim assist would allow for more accurate hip fire. If you’re lining up your shot, sensors and powered articulation can take care of your movement, allowing your eyes to focus on that shot.

Not without training of course, I’m not a fan of “I put on the suit and now I’m a god” type stuff. But it’s still a possible background based explanation?

I always feel that astartes-chauvinism taste any time people start doubt other faction can do something cool. Why most technologically advanced faction can't make battle suit thus allow pilot fight at least at Astartes level? Except they aren't SM?

 kabaakaba wrote:
I always feel that astartes-chauvinism taste any time people start doubt other faction can do something cool. Why most technologically advanced faction can't make battle suit thus allow pilot fight at least at Astartes level? Except they aren't SM?

It's the Iron Man Effect.

Tony Stark builds Iron Man. Iron Man is cool and super amazing.

Technology improves, and Tony Stark builds War Machine, which is Iron Man + More Dakka.

Sadly due to everyone loving Iron Man (and being the name of the comic), War Machine can never beat Iron Man.

Same with Space Marines and whoever comes later.

 kabaakaba wrote:
I always feel that astartes-chauvinism taste any time people start doubt other faction can do something cool. Why most technologically advanced faction can't make battle suit thus allow pilot fight at least at Astartes level? Except they aren't SM?

I’m not up on modern Tau fluff, but I didn’t think stealth suits were all that and a bag of chips.

Crisis suits? I’d have no issue having 3 action points. They have all the whistles and bells.

But I’d put stealth suits as better then marine scouts, less then full marines. More tech tricks and gizmos, less raw power. Maybe 7 man team with a few drones, but APL 2. Depends how strong their tricks were.

My opinion, obviously.

Except these are new and improved versions over the XV-25's. No reason they couldn't have taken the combat experience and improved them to be more on par with Marines. Besides, XV-25's already have Marine Stats.

Yeah, within the limits of a D6 system, stealth suits basically are power armour, give or take a bit of extra bulkiness and no neck. We already know the T’au have zero issues with implanting brain chips to enhance their soldiers as well, so having the suit react to direct brain control is absolutely on brand.

 Nevelon wrote:

But I’d put stealth suits as better then marine scouts, less then full marines. More tech tricks and gizmos, less raw power. Maybe 7 man team with a few drones, but APL 2. Depends how strong their tricks were.

Doesn't APL 3 count as a 'tech trick'? Not stronger or tougher, but able to multitask better.

It's more like combination of physical abilities and sensonrs/reaction/instincts. Like invulnerable save in 40k represent SOMETHING what's protecting model

 Nevelon wrote:
I could see some AI assist in the power armor helping a little. But there is a pretty significant difference in APL 2 and 3.

I suspect it’s due to box size and 40k compatibility. If they wanted them to be a 2 APL KT, they probably would have needed to have more operatives on the team. And not just drones. So they boosted their stats to make the mechanics fit the squad size.

Certainly seems this is the option. I'm not sure whether they'd even bother trying to justify it beyond being an abstract mechanic.


No amount of hand waving tech is going to explain how they can do 50% more actions in the same 10 second period as anyone else with faster reaction time and superior speed.

If it was restricted to certain types of actions, the types of things that a suit would actually allow you to do more of, then that would be one thing. I'd kind of like that, seeing the tech advance appear in the rules as taking their physical limitations and augmenting with certain suit options. But just flat APL3 on low initiative tau seems wrong. They shouldn't be as fast as a harlequin.