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 Gordy2000 wrote:
If the 11th launch box really does contain Orks, I hope they don’t mess them up.

They’ll be bigger (of course), but the faces/musculature/shape matters. I’m of the old school that considers the Brian Nielsen sculpts the only true Orks. They reused them (sometime resculpted around the edges) in later kits like the storm boys (even the newer ones) and of course in Black Reach.

The latest orks (like the odd game-illegal boyz kit) just don’t look right. Too smooth, too bland, teef too small.

Bring back propa Orks!

I agree that the sculpting of the Orks since Nelson stopped doing them has been quite inconsistent. The Black Reach Nobz, for instance, fitted in perfectly with the look of the Nelsonian Boyz, but the models in the later Nobz box set were distinctly 'off'. And the krew models for the Ork buggy range look were simply terrible. I do like the Kommandos and Tankbustas though.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Once I’ve bought some models? They’re mine. And whether you paint them or not, once assembled they’re usable near as dammit forever. The more we use them, the more value we get from the initial investment.

Obviously the models are not being smashed. But some people are more gameplay-oriented than others. If you are someone who are, being told that your 3 Raveners or Stealth Suits are now unusable because the new box is in 5s definitely stings (to say nothing of stuff just being tossed, like the Horus Heresy rug pull at the start of 40k 10e).

Or the example given being Kill Team, where teams that are just a few years old are no longer playable because GW wants to keep the treadmill spinning.

Wich teams are you talking about? Because when I look at the GW site I see rules for all of the teams released to date for the KT24 edition.

Or are you complaining that not everything released under KT21 was included in the current edition (yet)?

Two people on a red bike.

Red bike for orks and 2 people = two factions in a boxed set.

That's all I got.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:


There are some people that really want just 30k models in their 30k games but plenty who are fine (like me) with OldHammer generally. This sounds like you have at least enough for Zone Mortalis games, all of those models have rules either in the main liber (check New Recruit if you don't want to buy in right away) or in a legacy PDF on the warcom site (boxnaughts are called Castra Ferrum Dreads).

30k isn't everyone's cup of tea though, just an option.

Oh, I have 4k in Imperial Fists and 1500 in Sons of Horus for Horus Heresy. I've been playing since the black books. That's what I play at AdeptiCon. I prefer it to 40k. However, I try to keep to period specific wargear for HH. Most of my Imperial Fists are Mark III.

If the starter box for 11th is Blood Angels vs Orks, it will the first starter box since 5th edition that I have passed on. I'm not interested in either. I had a small Ork army that's 90% Assault on Black Reach, but I've boxed them away. I'd prefer generic marines to legion specific. I got the starter with Dark Angels because I was going to use them for 30k, but I lost interest in that army when some new Imperial Fists from Forge World came out and I went back to them.

 kronk wrote:

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:


There are some people that really want just 30k models in their 30k games but plenty who are fine (like me) with OldHammer generally. This sounds like you have at least enough for Zone Mortalis games, all of those models have rules either in the main liber (check New Recruit if you don't want to buy in right away) or in a legacy PDF on the warcom site (boxnaughts are called Castra Ferrum Dreads).

30k isn't everyone's cup of tea though, just an option.

Oh, I have 4k in Imperial Fists and 1500 in Sons of Horus for Horus Heresy. I've been playing since the black books. That's what I play at AdeptiCon. I prefer it to 40k. However, I try to keep to period specific wargear for HH. Most of my Imperial Fists are Mark III.

If the starter box for 11th is Blood Angels vs Orks, it will the first starter box since 5th edition that I have passed on. I'm not interested in either. I had a small Ork army that's 90% Assault on Black Reach, but I've boxed them away. I'd prefer generic marines to legion specific. I got the starter with Dark Angels because I was going to use them for 30k, but I lost interest in that army when some new Imperial Fists from Forge World came out and I went back to them.

The Marines are generic, just painted red.

Vorian wrote:

The Marines are generic, just painted red.

The Dark Angels ones in the 7th edition starter box certainly were not generic. If they're saying this starter box is 1/2 blood angels, then what makes YOU sure they're going to be generic?

If they are, great. But I'll have to pass if they are not.

 kronk wrote:

Vorian wrote:

The Marines are generic, just painted red.

The Dark Angels ones in the 7th edition starter box certainly were not generic. If they're saying this starter box is 1/2 blood angels, then what makes YOU sure they're going to be generic?

If they are, great. But I'll have to pass if they are not.

That's what Valrak is saying, who was saying Blood Angels vs Orks in the starter months and months ago.

Believe it, don't belive it, up to you. I'm just saying it's very likely that worrying about them being Blood Angels specific is wasted energy.

At this point we have a lot of rumors, and not a lot of facts. Some of them have been floating around for a while.

I’m not holding my breath on anything. GW has done some odd stuff in the past. But I’m trying to go into this end of edition times with an open mind and some zen acceptance. Plenty of time to get angry when we have more solid facts; no need to borrow trouble from what-ifs.

If GW does go with sculpted chapter stuff, I’ll pass on the box, like I did in 6/7th. Get the books/rules/whatever extras via ebay or grab it ala catre when it drops separately.

ccs wrote:


Wich teams are you talking about? Because when I look at the GW site I see rules for all of the teams released to date for the KT24 edition.

Or are you complaining that not everything released under KT21 was included in the current edition (yet)?

Huh? No, I am talking about their rotation policy, where teams just a few years old get booted out. Imagine if all 40k minis from 2022 or earlier had been booted into legends. People would be understandably unhappy.

Obviously if they had started booting out teams from 2024 I don't think anyone would still bother playing the game at that point. It'd go from chafing into abject comedy. (Though I probably shouldn't give GW ideas).

Stormcast players weren't unhappy with each new edition of AoS, sadly. They are pretty much not Primaris, and there is a very small chance GW would upset Astartes players by retiring Hellblasters and Reivers unless they get a new equivalent.


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 Nevelon wrote:
....If GW does go with sculpted chapter stuff, I’ll pass on the box, like I did in 6/7th. Get the books/rules/whatever extras via ebay or grab it ala catre when it drops separately.

Provided the rumors are true, you may have to wait. Personally, I think it's a little farfetched; if they did, it would be stupid to recreate 2nd edition art over picking Crimson Fists.

 parakuribo wrote:
Stormcast players weren't unhappy with each new edition of AoS, sadly. They are pretty much not Primaris, and there is a very small chance GW would upset Astartes players by retiring Hellblasters and Reivers unless they get a new equivalent.


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 Nevelon wrote:
....If GW does go with sculpted chapter stuff, I’ll pass on the box, like I did in 6/7th. Get the books/rules/whatever extras via ebay or grab it ala catre when it drops separately.

Provided the rumors are true, you may have to wait. Personally, I think it's a little farfetched; if they did, it would be stupid to recreate 2nd edition art over picking Crimson Fists.

As one one if the people who played with his Sigmarines, I was sad when they retired our cool models.

Vorian wrote:
I'm just saying it's very likely that worrying about them being Blood Angels specific is wasted energy.

I honestly hope you're right. I could use some new Primarus units for my Black Templars since my first born keep getting squatted.

But if they're like the Dark Angels in 7th edition starter, I'll pass.

 parakuribo wrote:
Stormcast players weren't unhappy with each new edition of AoS, sadly.

Them booting all my 2e Stormcast when 4e launched is a big reason why I've not touched AoS for a while, actually.

Warhammer players are just very bad at solidarity. No one makes noise on behalf of others. Therefore, when the community being affected is big enough (see Deathwatch in 40k, or 30k Tartaros power fists) GW is pressured into pivoting, but when it's not (Sisters of Silence in 30k, or Agents of Imperium in 40k) nothing happens.

I've tried to upsample some frames from the video, here's what I got so far: (click for full resolution image - dakkas scaler is naff)

also spotted a custodes dread on the top of a shelf next to the primaris SM helmet (not sure what it is)

looks like two warbikes, a war dragster and wartrike? Not sure these are new models though..

Does anyone recognize that symbol on the dreads leg?

As for both Orks and Astartes in the 11ed launch box, my money is on them all being chapter/clan agnostic in order to maximize sales (transfers is all you'll be getting)

 Ashiraya wrote:


Them booting all my 2e Stormcast when 4e launched is a big reason why I've not touched AoS for a while, actually.

Warhammer players are just very bad at solidarity. No one makes noise on behalf of others. Therefore, when the community being affected is big enough (see Deathwatch in 40k, or 30k Tartaros power fists) GW is pressured into pivoting, but when it's not (Sisters of Silence in 30k, or Agents of Imperium in 40k) nothing happens.

MK Announcer voice: "Exalted!"

I stand in solidarity with our fellow Steel Legion players who have been sent to Ayzr to be reforged into Stormcasts, by mistake...

I'd love to see GW do something new for Heresy like Sisters of Ba..... Sisters of Silence getting an actual release wave!

Though more likely is a second wave Custodes and token additions for SA and Mechanicum. Probably another wave of resin to plastic conversions for the latter.

 parakuribo wrote:
Provided the rumors are true, you may have to wait. Personally, I think it's a little farfetched; if they did, it would be stupid to recreate 2nd edition art over picking Crimson Fists.

They're saving THAT for NEXT YEAR, what with it being 40k's fortieth anniversary. No way there isn't some big, expensive product to commemorate the event. Personally, I'd have delayed 11th to coincide, but GW wants to double dip on FOMO boxes.

I hope we also get MKIV for HH this time (its been rumoured they are coming out this year with lots of MKIV kits)

This year is likely. MKVI was summer 2022, MKIII was autumn (late October) 2023.

Autumn 2026 seems plausible for MKIV.

 tauist wrote:

Does anyone recognize that symbol on the dreads leg?

Yes, it's the existing filigree on the FW Space Wolves Contemptor Dreadnought that that Joy Toy figure is.

Well there has been some rumours/talks/wishing about Bjorn getting a new miniature so maybe they are bringing him in Contemptor?

Actually, Bjorn is so old that Contemptor would had been more fitting for such high ranking marine to be set in and more tech savvy to do it.

And before someone says about Redemptor... those things cook their occupants and it would be kinda silly for the most ancient Space Wolves that has seen their Primarch in flesh to get his rest that way.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well there has been some rumours/talks/wishing about Bjorn getting a new miniature so maybe they are bringing him in Contemptor?

But Bjorn was always in a Contemptor

If Biorn could come back, they should have Lukas gor through the Rubicae Primaris.

They have a a chance for a silly now that he has a bomb for a heart...

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well there has been some rumours/talks/wishing about Bjorn getting a new miniature so maybe they are bringing him in Contemptor?

Actually, Bjorn is so old that Contemptor would had been more fitting for such high ranking marine to be set in and more tech savvy to do it.

And before someone says about Redemptor... those things cook their occupants and it would be kinda silly for the most ancient Space Wolves that has seen their Primarch in flesh to get his rest that way.

They cook their occupants just as long as GW say they do. Just like how the Primaris operations were dangerous except never actually killing anyone with a name.

Well Iron Guard is on the menu...

That looks more Solar Aux.

 Platuan4th wrote:
That looks more Solar Aux.

Nah, 40k. Solar Auxilia would not use Aquila as a symbol.

Granted, more of an Kill Team territory probably.

I forget where we are with Kill Team now, but Harlequins should have their moment in the spotlight.

SamusDrake wrote:
I forget where we are with Kill Team now, but Harlequins should have their moment in the spotlight.

Harlies were top of the KT21 meta for far too long. Dont personally mind their absence at the moment

 tauist wrote:


Harlies were top of the KT21 meta for far too long. Dont personally mind their absence at the moment

Cheers, but I was thinking release wise. Harlequins should have had a kit of their own by now.