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Here is a sample of dipping for those who do not know what it is
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dipping_Tyranids

What is dipping?

I've added a link to show sample dipping in the first post.

I don't see anything wrong with it. Some people don't have time to paint thier entire armies with a brush. I'd much rather see a dipped army on the field than a gray plastic army.

Those Tyranids look grand after going through the dipping process. Hell if you weren't doing that it would just mean spending an age applying washes to the figures individually.

I haven't got anything that I think dipping would be appropriate for, but if I was doing a heap of tyranids I would probably do this.

Aww it's not that bad.
I just used to put brown ink on all my flat base coated model and that was enough.

I have never dipped my GW models but I had used the technique years ago to great effect with historical models, particularly Vikings, & Romans in 28mm, as it works great with any type of chainmail.

I found one additional benefit of this technique is that the models paintjob is much more protected and less likely to chip or rub off.

While I would never dip my models as I consider it 'shortcut' to getting the models painted, I can se the benefits to getting an army all painted up and ready to go in no time.

I've no problems with dipping, but have no models it's particularly suitable for. I did give it a go with some of my WOTR figures, using Army Painter Quickshade (soft tone) - a Warrior of Minas Tirith (i.e. metal plate armour with blue-grey underskirt and black shield) and a Ranger of Gondor (dark green cloak, dark brown leather clothes and reddish brown hard leather armour and accessories), but the effect was noticably inferior to washing, so I'll stick with that in future.

(In the former case, the dip was just a bit too, well, brown, and affected by gravity too much so it was slightly more obvious in the bottom half of the model. In the second case, it was just too subtle to make much of a difference. Most importantly, in both cases it didn't pick up detail as well as washing did. I've not uploaded pictures of the rangers yet, but I have stuck up a comparison shot of the dipped and washed Warrior, just so you can see the difference at a glance, here on Dakka. Er, note that they aren't exactly brilliant examples of painting, what with them having been painted along with fourteen other models over the course of five hours, then all sixteen were tidied up and washed in two hours. They're still missing certain elements, like their underarms having cloth painted on so it doesn't appear to be made of flexible metal, and their hair [not visible at the front] being painted in. But hopefully they'll serve to demonstrate the difference between the two effects)

Some armies lend themselves to dipping. I dipped most of my Nurgle daemons, and they turned out really well.

It's another tool in the toolbox, and like any other tool can be used correctly or incorrectly.

I can sure see the Pro's and Con's of this method but I prefer to stick with washes.

Bulk dipping would be great for beginners and those with way too many rank and file troops, however you wont have a very diverse looking force as the finish tends to settle the same of each and every model.

Where as a wash by it's nature and method of application gives a similar effect but still varies from mini to mini (through a greater amount of control) so even your rank and file troop have slight changes in them, if that makes any sense.

Anything that gets painted models on the table and gives good results is fine by me.

The poll answers are kind of biased against dipping. With all the whining against unpainted models I can't see why people would then whine about dipped models. Many people who love the 40k gaming aspect don't necessarily love the hobby aspect and so don't desire to put a lot of time into their models. Of course it's more cool to sit across the table from a Golden Demon quality painted army but it's also cool to get a game in against a really good opponent who may have a plastic gray army.

I use polyshades now and then, but i brush it on I dont actually dip the mini in the can.

I used it on my Nercon warriors and the SM Im doing for my son. On the necrons I applied the dip as a topcoat & shading.

For the SM (red ones) I used the dip them dullcoted them. It turned the dip from a brown to a black. Gives them a very dirty look, like they have been in a bunch of fire, smoke, explosions, etc. Battlefield stuff.

I have only found this effect on a red base coat. I did a terminator with a medium gray base, dip, then dullcote and it retained the brownish tint.

I like using it on rank and file stuff. However Ill use it on more prominant things as well if I happen to desire that tint/shade.


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augustus5 wrote:The poll answers are kind of biased against dipping. With all the whining against unpainted models I can't see why people would then whine about dipped models.

You will find that in any hobby. Basic snobbery. I encountered it a lot during my car club/street racing days. You could have the same car as someone but if you didnt have the same level of stuff done to it then the car (and you) were looked down on.

I used to paint every damn thing and spent countless hours on my table-top quality models. Then I painted an army for a friend and he demanded that I dip. So I did and it changed my [hobby] life.

For now on, if the appropriate spray primer exists, then the model will be dipped. period.

Yes, Something that no game store or hobby shop wants you to know about because it takes 90% of the work out of the picture and half of the sales away from the store.
As store owner I hate it.

I applaud dipping. It sure does put some eye candy (in the non pornographic sense) on this sight

I'd do it, but I'm just too darn lazy for my own good.

Vasarto wrote:Yes, Something that no game store or hobby shop wants you to know about because it takes 90% of the work out of the picture and half of the sales away from the store.
As store owner I hate it.

Can you sell the Quickshade Spray Primers and Dips retail? Those primers run out quickly.

Deuce11 wrote:

Vasarto wrote:Yes, Something that no game store or hobby shop wants you to know about because it takes 90% of the work out of the picture and half of the sales away from the store.
As store owner I hate it.

Can you sell the Quickshade Spray Primers and Dips retail? Those primers run out quickly.

Well probably. have to look into that sorta thing.
Actually meant "future owner"
Gonna be within 3 years...maybe 2-1/2. Saving up money for the first store and gonna have it ready by than.

Vasarto wrote:Yes, Something that no game store or hobby shop wants you to know about because it takes 90% of the work out of the picture and half of the sales away from the store.
As store owner I hate it.

Our FLGS sells the stuffs and his rack his nearly always sold out.

It's good stuff.

samwellfrm wrote:I don't see anything wrong with it. Some people don't have time to paint thier entire armies with a brush. I'd much rather see a dipped army on the field than a gray plastic army.

What he said. I know I'm very intimidated by the great work on see on sites like this one. Dipping might get people who wouldn't otherwise paint to do so, or might be a nice shortcut for people who want to play a horde but don't think they have the time to both assemble and paint 120 gaunts.

Wait, if people paint their armies in half the time, that means they should want more stuff sooner. How do you figure that taking out 90% of the work out of a project leads to fewer sales?

I've never done it, but definatly don't have an issue with it, like some others have said, better to see a dipped army than a grey plastic one.

although I might have to give it a go when my son gets more Tyranids, I'm not looking forward to painting those by hand.

Why am I only learning about this now!! That is just the technique I need to do the flesh on my nids.

for horde armies it looks perfect, anything that gets rid of plastic or undercoat armies

I dip everything.

The cheapest way to go about it is to use Minwax (can be purchased inexpensively at WalMart for those in the U.S.)

I like my figs shiney but if you don't, a nice dullcoat spray does the trick.

I couldn't really give two shakes as to how someone paints their minis. My painting skills ain't the best, but I like my paintjobs! And especially for Tyranids, I think that dipping looks great.

I dunno, Maybe I might do it with Orks Boyz or The Grots I am planning on buying from some people in the future but I would rather use paints and stuff. Its more fun that way and if I practice enough, my painted models will eventually look better than any dipped model out there.

I would never do this personally, but with a horde army, I could understand . I would prefer if after the dip a second coat was added, even if it's just painting an all green ork's vest brown.

So, I'm not exactly sure of the point of this thread. Is the OP criticizing dippers as "not real hobbyists" or is he trying to see if people have used this method in the past? augustus5 is right, the poll answers seem a little biased against dipping. If I were playing 'Nids, hellsyeah, I'd be dipping. Of course, the way I wash my Dark Angels, I might as well be dipping, I use a lot of wash.

i think dipping is a great method to use, but only if you have the intentions of dipping them when starting the army, and realize how the dip will change the model.
my entire deathwing army (30 some terminators, 3 land raiders, and 2 dreadnoughts) is all dipped, but i started the army with the intentions of dipping them, and it turned out pretty well...

on the other hand, i have seen people come across the method, and basically thought it would turn a bad paintjob into a good one. old bad paint job + dip = new good paint job, right? no.