Warhammer Fantasy Rumours (incl. release schedules): Dwarf and WE release list rumour 15th November

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**Tangent**

A shift in direction?

**Kroothawk**

Guardian of Virtue over at Roundtable of Bretonnia wrote:I spoke to a mate of mine who works at GW head office. The problem that Bretonnia faces is that the design studio need to make the silhouette of the army unique. If it was just a case of changing the rules, it would be really quite simple but, they want to add crazy new monsters/machines to everything. Until they decide what they can 'add' to the Brets, we won't see an update.

**ExNoctemNacimur**

Why don't they read the Arthurian myths? There's probably stuff in there that they could rip off.

**chaos0xomega**

They could go back to the old fluff when bretonnia was a semi-chaos faction...

**nels1031**

Warhammer Forge news in new White Dwarf.

Insanely badass Orc Boss and Standard Bearer, as well as WHFB RoB extension. A good deal of it is just the old siege emplacements sculpted into the board, with a hill and a bridge. May actually get this extension.

Will post pics when I can.

**Amaya**

Just go the route of Knights on giant birds? A gatling trebuchet? Bigger, stranger, stronger relics? I don't see how they can't come up with something.

**Agamemnon2**

Hell, just having Bretonnia as the one army without a giant cartoon superweapon would be unique enough.

**ph34r**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Hell, just having Bretonnia as the one army without a giant cartoon superweapon would be unique enough.

Unfortunately apparently giant cartoon superweapons are what sells... and it makes sense, because GW has really painted themselves into a corner here. What would you as a player rather do, buy 10 new infantry for $25 which you will need at least 40 of, making it a $100 unit that is a pain in the ass to paint? Or one new dumb monster that costs more than the infantry unit in points, less in dollars, and less in painting time. If GW reduced the need to have so many infantrymen at such nutty prices this big new monster angle would be less core for them, and the game would stop having weird junk shoehorned into it. But that would cost GW money.

**Kroothawk**

From an anonymous email to Darnok over at Warseer:

Every 3-4 months, as an independent retailer, we get a list of items that must be stocked. These are changed in advanced so we don't order old stock, and to give us a change to sell off old stock before new items turn up. The last one in about October / November added a few basic Marine items but dropped Tau Battlesuits, which would tie in with concepts of new battlesuits and new Tau for Spring / Easter.

Yesterday I got the new list, which had a lot of changes in the Fantasy sections. I no longer have to stock High Elves Spearmen, Wood Elves, Bret Knights or Dwarf Warriors. It can therefore be reasonably speculated that these core troop choices will be relaunched in the next 6 - 8 months. The only change in 40k was I no longer have to stock any Eldar (not even DA or Guardians).

I know its not radical or ground breaking and gives no specific dates, but the Bret / Wood /Dwarf news I think is a bit new.

**lasgunpacker**

Aren't the knights, dwarfs, and wood elves all relatively new?

If they are being replaced... well, I can think of some changes I would like made, but it seems pretty unlikely.

And new HE Spearmen would be amazing. (so therefore not likely)

**kevlar'o**

MC rules for warhorses for brets, jeez!

**Red_Zeke**

lasgunpacker wrote:
Aren't the knights, dwarfs, and wood elves all relatively new?

If they are being replaced... well, I can think of some changes I would like made, but it seems pretty unlikely.

And new HE Spearmen would be amazing. (so therefore not likely)

Relative to what? The dwarf warrior sprue came out back in 05 or 06, so 7-8 years old...

But desperately agree on HE Spearmen needing an update.

**lasgunpacker**

7-8 years for a core kit is quite new in GW land, since they are much more likely to come out with a new kit than fix an old one.

Now if they got Colin Dixon to sculpt dwarves that looked like the old metal ones... I would buy another couple regiments.

**silent25**

Kroothawk wrote:
From an anonymous email to Darnok over at Warseer:

Yesterday I got the new list, which had a lot of changes in the Fantasy sections. I no longer have to stock High Elves Spearmen, Wood Elves, Bret Knights or Dwarf Warriors. It can therefore be reasonably speculated that these core troop choices will be relaunched in the next 6 - 8 months. The only change in 40k was I no longer have to stock any Eldar (not even DA or Guardians).

I know its not radical or ground breaking and gives no specific dates, but the Bret / Wood /Dwarf news I think is a bit new.

Pure speculation, but the Spearmen, Knights, and Warriors are either 8 or 16 to a box. Possibility of new miniatures taking them to 5 and 10 to match newer model counts. Not familiar enough with the model breakdown, but could also be like the Orc Warrior reboxing which took it form 16 for $35 US to 10 for $29 US. Hope it is new models. The High Elves core boxes are among the oldest and prime examples of Gary Morely (sp?) ham fisted models.

Still possible sign of new books on the horizon

**kenshin620**

silent25 wrote:

Pure speculation, but the Spearmen, Knights, and Warriors are either 8 or 16 to a box. Possibility of new miniatures taking them to 5 and 10 to match newer model counts. Not familiar enough with the model breakdown, but could also be like the Orc Warrior reboxing which took it form 16 for $35 US to 10 for $29 US.

I do get the feeling they're going to do that, it is GW after all. They dont mind repackaging old stuff and kicking the price up

**Red_Zeke**

That'd be tough with the Dwarf boxes- they're 4 to a sprue right now... Do they just rearrange sprues altogether? Did that happen with Beasts, or am I imagining that?

**silent25**

Red_Zeke wrote:
That'd be tough with the Dwarf boxes- they're 4 to a sprue right now... Do they just rearrange sprues altogether? Did that happen with Beasts, or am I imagining that?

Beasts were recut. Having seen the figures in real life, while identical poses, the details on the new beastmen are better than the old box. Orc Boyz had the command spru with allowed them to split the count and use the same models. Know the Brett's don't have a command spru, not sure of the Dwarfs and High Elves. If they do, pic some more units up then, they are likely to get the same treatment as the Orc Boyz.

*edit* one extra thing I was reminded of with all the boxes slated removed from stock. They all have painted pictures on them, not model pictures. They could all be seeing just reboxing to match the current box standard.

**Kroothawk**

75hastings69 wrote:I was actually discussing with Harry about a month or so ago that next WFB is not till 2015.

An extra year would allow all armies to get treatment before new edition in 2015.

2013

HE
Lizardmen

2014

DE
Dwarfs
Brets(?)

2015

WE (?)
Skaven (?)
9th edition

Personally I'd swap WE & Brets around and change Skaven to O&G....... but that's just me

Harry wrote:
Avian wrote:
NatTreehouse wrote:9th edition rumors
Major overhall and not like all the other "major" ones - radical rethink. Ricks gone so other people want to get their hands on it.
All army books gone and Ravening Hordes replacement
Timeline moves forward
So many changes won't come out before 2015, not next year (Memphis got panties in a bunch about this)

This is essentially a repeat of the rumours we had before both 8th edition and 7th edition. They are made up this time as well, which should be blindingly obvious from the suggestion that they are redoing all army books.
Just nonsense. Move along.

Says you. Based on what?

Avian wrote:Yeah, the mention of 2015 wasn't the thing that made people realize it was an invented rumour.
While I would hope that 9th comes soon to fix some of the problems I have with eighth

It is not an invented rumour. 9th will be more than a quick fix.
I posted months ago to hint as much. I first heard this last year. I have heard it a few times since.
(...)
When I said I thought 'it was 2014 but opinions vary' was because I was hearing different things from different folks.
When it comes to rumours I almost always go with what hastings says ... as he is almost always right.
So if his sources are saying 2015 ... then thats probably right.

As for the 'big changes' stuff ... you may want to hold off on the salt a bit.

Marked_by_chaos over at Warseer wrote:Every now and then I have a look at the job vacancies on the gw site out of interest. Recently the nature of adverts and types of jobs seems to have changed. There was in particular a big explosion of design studio jobs advertised at the end of last month. Seems like they are looking for everything from rules writers to background writers to army painters to video/hobby/painting presenters.

Perhaps they're starting to a get a bit more professional about design studio recruitment i.e. not a weird in house Recruitment process but an attempt to recruit the most effective staff. Some of the jobs indicate a new direction in project work, particularly the split between a rule writer and background writer role. One can only hope for no more kaldor draigos.

Okay, guess that deserves its own thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/512959.page

**Kroothawk**

Until we have more reliable info on High Elves deserving a new thread, here a small tidbit by Hastings, as a reaction to some made up rumours on Ulthuan.net :

75hastings69 wrote:Just very quickly, to the poster who made up a bunch of stuff and also said there was no flying chariot, if I said its being pulled by eagles does that kind of politely say "wrong"?

If you've seen the model, please tell me it isn't ludicrous. Because that sounds ludicrous.

You're asking the wrong guy, I as a rule of thumb dislike GWs current Pokemon/power ranger/CAD crap, best everyone makes up their own minds.

**Backfire**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Hell, just having Bretonnia as the one army without a giant cartoon superweapon would be unique enough.

Now that's just crazy talk. Hush!

**Kroothawk**

More rumours on High Elves, collected from Spanish forums by Nopuiiidorl over at Warseer:

Hi there.

Indeed, in spanish forums people are discussing a huge pack of rumors since a couple of weeks ago. Belannaer may return. There will be new model to Imrik in a huge dragon (Caledor Dragon?), according to rumors.

Hastings' flying chariot do exist, but may not be pulled by eagles.

There will be a shrine/anvil (similar tu lumynarch/hurricanum) of two known elven gods. Some buffs could be magical attacks/flaming attacks/ASF.

Dragon MC will be modelled taking Thaindon's dragon as inspiration (that elf dragon rider from the 3rd edition). Like current HE plastic dragon (which takes inspiration from a very old GW dragon).

Do not expect to see spears/LSG core units in may. The rumor holds truth, but that belongs to a further miniature wave. "Silver boys" coming later on too.

ASF will be lost as rule armywide (Harry said that alredy). This would mean a slight point decrease on miniatures.

A less likely rumor talks that there will be a "Caledor dragon", apart from current dragons.

SMs may have a path-choice attacks (+1 to hit/KB/ward save...), lions being slightly more focused in monster-killing; lion pelt would protect also in CC.

Apparently there will be new miniatures for Teclis and another "plastic mage (Belannaer we hope)".

Plus: intrigues at court coming back (maybe different from 6ed), no valor of ages (probably changed into a new rule). There will be a new racial rule shared by all elves (we are discussing if this could be something related to elven swiftness).

There will be more core units (probably four or five slots), and more rare slots (probably three to five slots).

Cruddace was not the HE designer, and a team would be working in all three elven races at once.

Remember, all this are just rumors. Source wants to be anonyme.

75hastings69 wrote:I did report another plastic Mage some time ago so ill happily confirm that

**silent25**

Well word from my FLGS owner who just got back from GAMA trade show. GW representatives present stated 9th edition is two years away. Summer 2015 and all your armies become obsolete again!

**John Rainbow**

Getting excited about the HE, thanks for keeping us updated all!

**Kanluwen**

Making a prediction regarding the "warmachines":
Shrine of Asuryan and Forge of Vaul.

**Alpharius**

Who is "Belannaer"?

**Vermillion**

Head of the HE mages pretty much, and the dude who taught Teclis.

**MajorWesJanson**

silent25 wrote:
Well word from my FLGS owner who just got back from GAMA trade show. GW representatives present stated 9th edition is two years away. Summer 2015 and all your armies become obsolete again!

Better than 1 year and they are obsolete. A 5 year cycle means that at 3 books per year per system, they can fully cover all armies within the space of an edition.

**Kroothawk**

Alpharius wrote:
Who is "Belannaer"?

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Belannaer

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Who is "Belannaer"?

I have absolutely no clue.

If I had to guess, it is supposed to be "Bel Shanaar the Explorer"...but that can't be it because that would put a character into play for the High Elves from the time before the Sundering and the Dark Elves became a faction. Bel Shanaar was the second Phoenix King, directly after Aenarion.

I think though it is more likely that it will be Bel-Hathor, "the Scholar". He is a more recent Phoenix King(Imperial Calendar 1503 to 2162) who reversed the Interdict and allowed for the Bretonnians and Empire to have peaceful access to the isle of Ulthuan. He is dead in the "current" timeframe(Finubar the Seafarer, the "current" Phoenix King was Bel-Hathor's chosen successor), but there's not such a jarring time difference as there would be with Bel Shanaar.

Or it might be the guy that Kroothawk posted.

Interesting tidbit:
He's been whitewashed from Teclis' information at some point. The War Crown of Saphery entry in the previous army book mentioned him, but not the current one.

**Vulcan**

silent25 wrote:
Well word from my FLGS owner who just got back from GAMA trade show. GW representatives present stated 9th edition is two years away. Summer 2015 and all your armies become obsolete again!

It's unlikely anything could make my Brets and Dwarves more obsolete than they are right now.