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whats the bet that Dorn gets 1st?

I think its Mortarion Dorns just a distraction.

Druggie death dude vs Rockheaded stubborn guy.

I reckon we leave Just Dave to it.

He knows his own opinion better than we do! lol

They were tears from the compliment Bartius!

I like Dorn, but I can't say too much without trying to give details away as it were!

Even so, keep debating who'll come first I love proving you guys wrong, although I'm peeved when you're right!

Mortarion has to be at seventh place.......

But do you know what I believe?

I believe that Magnus will WIN THIS THREAD.

For the love of all that is... awesome, please do NOT use the John Blanche picture of Alpharius!

Ack!

Better to use something like this:



I'm serious!!!

(OK, well...)

I would've refrained from using it had you said "For the love of all that is... awesome, please do NOT use the John Blanche picture of ME! "

Heh.

Ferrus at 17...Fulgrim at 16.

Only if Ferrus wasn't so underdeveloped in the fluff, or the whole Iron Hands chapter for that matter.

Fulgrim, well, its whatever.

I'm still awaiting where you will put Konrad Curze, my favorite, and often misunderstood, Primarch.

Just Dave wrote:I would've refrained from using it had you said "For the love of all that is... awesome, please do NOT use the John Blanche picture of ME! "

Huh... I thought about it, but it just seems so... gauche!

I just couldn't bring myself to do it!

Waiting for the next one!

that's fair enough Lord Alpharius, we'll see what happens when it comes to his/her/its/your time in the list. Which isn't yet...


Now I apologise guys, I did just write up the next ranking however then I realised quite how much I like the guy and realised I couldn't place him in 8th. As such, you'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out the next one!
Sorry Lads (and ladies), tune in tomorrow though and I'll try to make it a double...

Unacceptable! Boo! Booooo!

Is that why everyone keeps calling my poor Dark Angels gay? god damn its all making sense now...

combatmedic wrote:Is that why everyone keeps calling my poor Dark Angels gay? god damn its all making sense now...

You really should just ignore them, really.

Anyone that is 'accusing' them of that is, quite frankly, a bit soft in the head.

Marines who wear dresses are still marines. you can't make fun of them for that

just cause Johnson had a big fight with his BFF(boy friend forever) doesn't make them gay...

8th: Horus' Hairesy - Look At That Fur Coat! Disgusting.

Finishing in 8th place, it's the Dark Lord himself; Horus Lupercal.

So first on my list of pro's about Horus; he also realises how much of a tool Angron is - seeing him as a weapon rather than an ally - and rightly so IMHO. "Yes Dave, you don't like Angron, we get it!"

Within the Warhammer 40K universe, I like both badassery, substance and righteousness. Horus has all of those traits. Horus had all of those traits. Horus himself is pretty kick-ass, I mean in the picture above he looks like he'd kick a puppy for fun. Whilst I don't endorse kicking puppies, you kind of expect Horus to do it, he became that evil and that merciless. Horus also had/has substance, he partially endorsed 'democracy' through the Mournival, through which he would get the balance of advice to take the proper course of action. The mournival itself is a good idea, providing Horus with the right mix of different traits to balance out his own personality, showing he recognises his own flaws and is willing to seek advice even from those 'beneath him'.
It was clear Horus was a reasonable and well-rounded guy. He had many traits and lots of character; wisdom, compassion, protection, anger, honour, loyalty, the list goes on... Few of the Primarchs have such a well-rounded character of are so aware of themselves. Unlike many of the other Primarchs, Horus did truly appear human and for that, I can almost warm to him. In the novels Horus even shows humour that isn't seen in any of the other Primarchs and he displays some weakness in character. He's a human in a primarch's body.

I believe that the Emperor was right to make Horus the warmaster - although maybe Dorn or Gulliman instead - he appeared to have the right balance within his personality and he's a strong ambitious leader. It wasn't through any clear flaw of his own that Horus was corrupted, it was through exploitation of the pressures and worries already placed upon him.

His actions were also very intelligent however. For example, they attack on the 'Aurelian Technocracy'(?) gave the traitors a 'taste' of fighting their brothers and the Istvaan V dropsite massacre is genius...

In fact, his corruption further shows the human aspect of Horus: he had worries and he had fears, but he also had noble intentions and ambitions. He wanted to live up to his fathers intentions and he wanted to unite humanity, but he struggled (understandably) to cope with the pressures put upon him and this was exploited by Chaos and Erebus.
Melissia said:

Melissia wrote:Personally I find the Traitors to be kinda overall pathetic. Especially Horus. I mean goddamn Horus is the wimpiest pansy that ever pansied-- he starts a civil war because, effectively, he's being a whiny rebellious teenager. The entire Horus Heresy, from his point of view, is a violent hissy fit over the Emperor not giving him enough hugs. It just... makes me want to stab him in the face. Repeatedly. With an axe. Which is made of fire.

And that is where I disagree, for not only can you not make an axe from fire, but also it's difficult to stab with an axe... Oh, also I disagree with Horus being a pansy, I think much of his reasoning for the heresy was understandable.
Horus was under masses of pressure, trying to run the galaxy and please everyone whilst being undermined by the High Lords of Terra. He had also just been attacked by a lost human civilisation whom he had connected and bonded with, whereby he would have had to exterminate an entire human civilisation which spanned across many planets and more. At the same time he had been abandoned by his father for reasons unknown to him - it's not quite not enough hugs, more not enough kisses - and left to try and lead a galactic crusade with his brothers criticising him, his enemies attacking him, his allies betraying him and the high-lords undermining him. If you combine this with a mortal wound and being exposed to the full power of Chaos, I can kind of understand why Horus rebelled. Dorn himself didn't think it was the Horus he knew that was rebelling, but that he had infact been tainted by something.
And that is exactly right. The real Horus - pre heresy - was a noble upstanding kind of chap with good intentions and actions, it's just Chaos went all mind-control on him.

However, I don't completely agree with Horus' reasons for turning traitor. When Chaos spoke to Horus he was - although wounded - largely in control of his own actions and thoughts, he had the opportunity to rebuke the gods of Chaos and save humanity, but instead he believed their lies and damned himself, his legion, his humanity and his fur coat. This is where I disagree with Horus, I don't understand why he would listen to Chaos - their name gives it away! if they were called the 'gods of lovely' or 'gods of warmth, kindness and care-bears to all' then I could understand. Even so, I don't see why he believed them or what was entirely wrong with the Emperor becoming a god?!
Also on the list of bad things; he ignores the mournival and listens to Erebus. WHY?! Erebus is clearly a slimey git and the mournival were there for a reason! Also, why did he not at all listen to Garviel Loken before he got his ass whupped by Eugan Temba? As it says in Lucky Number Sleven, if you get called a horse once, hit em. If you get called a horse twice, stab em. If you get called a horse 3 times, then well, you just might be a horse. Or something along those lines.
So if Garviel Loken says the poop is gonna hit the fan once, ignore him. If he says it twice, rebuke him. If he says it three times, then turn the f***ing fan off! It'd save electricity too.

For being ultimately a very human and well-meaning - if a bit genocidal - guy, it's Horus Lupercal, in at number 8. But hey, at-least he didn't get his wrist slapped by the Emperor this time!

Sorry, just saw this thread.

Good point on Angron though. "hmm... why is he so angry?"

"um. dude, his name is Angron."

"oh. duh. does he do anything else?"

"well he hits things I guess."

"oh."

Guitardian wrote:God Emprah I hope Guilly is next. He invented math-hammer after all... which turned 40k into a nerdy math-fan dominated game instead of a geeky sci-fi-fan dominated game. Roboutte made the law of 10's. How stodgy and restrictive and anal retentive is that?

Good point on Angron though. "hmm... why is he so angry?"

"um. dude, his name is Angron."

"oh. duh. does he do anything else?"

"well he hits things I guess."

"oh."

Guilly was 13th or something mate!

Just remember, Angron is the real primarch that suffers from father issues, forget the rest of them!

yeah sorry it didnt scroll at first. I just noticed all the previous pages. I'm doing my homework scrolling through now... (I still think he should have been #2 though but I'll get to it) Can I assume you have read all the primarch books? I am still working on 'horus rising' and everything I know about them I know from years and years of codex fluff throughout the various editions. Sorry if I backtracked you.

No, it's quite alright, by all means voice your opinion and read through it etc.

But yeah, I've read all the books so far...

Perhaps you should re-title the tread... "Celebrating 1000 posts by writing a really butt-kicking thread."

Really enjoying this and I appreciate all the work that's gone into it.


I'm not really a chaos guy, and I'm really not a nurgle guy... but I've always thought Mortarian's story was fairly compelling... be interesting to see where he ends up.

If I had a list of best primarchs top to bottom I would like Magnus on top, followed by Dorn or Sanguin... waaaay way at the bottom I would stick Girlyman, Horus, and finaly Lorgar the horrible treacherous zealot.

Gitsplitta wrote:Perhaps you should re-title the tread... "Celebrating 100 posts by writing a really butt-kicking thread."

Really enjoying this and I appreciate all the work that's gone into it.


I'm not really a chaos guy, and I'm really not a nurgle guy... but I've always thought Mortarian's story was fairly compelling... be interesting to see where he ends up.

awww thanks man, I really appreciated it. Makes it worthwhile! Changed the title for ya too!

And yeah I found morty to be... 'interesting' I'll say more when it's his time however!

Guitardian wrote:If I had a list of best primarchs top to bottom I would like Magnus on top, followed by Dorn or Sanguin... waaaay way at the bottom I would stick Girlyman, Horus, and finaly Lorgar the horrible treacherous zealot.

Magnus always wants to be on top, but not in the ranking way! *shudder*

Thanks Dave!

I should've at least put the right number of zeros behind the "1". *sigh* Maybe using a tv for my computer monitor wasn't such a good idea after all.

Haha, as per what I said earlier on in this thread. Morty FTW!
Great Work JustDave, great work.

I feel so...so...so, cheated... Horus had to be 1 or 2. I mean, "Horus Heresy," basically the reason for 40K... I feel so violated and abused. I'm going to go make a voodoo doll with a pineapple head, and take my exacto to it.

Horus?! Awwww... come on..

Alright, to uphold my tradition of always guessing wrong I'll say that the next one is Sanguinius.

Mortarion has yet to make a showing.

I predict Mortarion next.

NOOOOO! Lies SaintHazard, Lies, Morty FTW!!!!

I've got a big warm place in my heart for Magnus and, now, Kurze. I wanna see them at the top!

But Morty? Eh.

I'm surprised he's made it this far.