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Ahhh....I most humbly beg your pardon. I suffer from a recently diagnosed ailment called RTSD. It is akin to the malady afflicting many of our fine service men and women after they return from combat. I too have been waging a battle, though not in the theater of war, but on my work table. My desire is to find solace and peace in the hobby I love, but low! I find nothing of the sort.
Approaching the bench I feel the bile rise into my mouth. A cold sweat breaks out on my brow. The world spins, I clutch the table for support.....
MENOTH WARJACK!!!!
Ohhhh......Again I am most sorry. The only relief I find is at at my local hobby shop in perusing the plastic finery, fondly recalling the melodic sounds of a spru cutter snipping. The gentle removal of flash. Searching in vain for mold lines, and finding none. As I turn the corner into another aisle my heart quickens, for before me is the x-acto section. Numbly I look down at my left hand and see the blood seeping from hundreds of tiny cuts. No amount of bandaging will stem the flow of my life from those wounds. I feel light headed.....
RELIC KNIGHTS!!!!!!
Gods help me.....I hold now the only thing that helps me get through a modeling section. The ponderous weight of real spuncast resin. The smooth texture, the weight, the detail.
Friends, please, I beg you, allow not your fellows to fall into the debilitating trap I am stuck in now. There is little precious relief.
Easy brother. Easy. May I recommend a course of Metal? Perhaps an injection of plastic? Perhaps, some gentle worship at the alter of resin? You need to sooth your troubled soul with more pure worship lest you be lost to us for good.
The inability of plastic glue to bond accursed restic is well documented in the many texts of the interwebs.
As I honed my hobbying craft from the AGE OF LEAD, I feel many hobbyists have been spoiled by working with HIPS. The ancient arts of cutting and joining are lost to the masses or decried as no longer relevant as the AGE OF PLASTIC took hold. The arts of converting metal figures and sculpting details have largely been banished into the hinterlands of our lands - and those who still practice these arts with mastery are simultaneously revered and ridiculed as craftsmen to be emulated, or cellar dwelling madmen.
Ah... but here's the crux of this tale - it is those same skills of yesteryear that are the best tools to deal with this accursed restic. Having to remove mold slippage from a restic model is no more difficult than performing repair to a model cast from primeval pewter. In the days of old, we did not have the great library of INTERNETS to refer to for hobbying advice - use this great resource brothers and learn from our battle scarred brethen. The tools may be different, and the technique may differ slightly, but the overall methods are the same.
We are upon a new age. The restic hordes are here to stay. With some sweat from your brow, more times than not (edit) when working with models designed to be cast in this medium (/edit), that accursed restic can be made to yield. (In the Privateer Theatre... components that are found to be unsalvagable can be exchanged by sending a message to their Temple of Frontdesk)
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keezus wrote: The inability of plastic glue to bond accursed restic is well documented in the many texts of the interwebs.
As I honed my hobbying craft from the AGE OF LEAD, I feel many hobbyists have been spoiled by working with HIPS. The ancient arts of cutting and joining are lost to the masses or decried as no longer relevant as the AGE OF PLASTIC took hold. The arts of converting metal figures and sculpting details have largely been banished into the hinterlands of our lands - and those who still practice these arts with mastery are simultaneously revered and ridiculed as craftsmen to be emulated, or cellar dwelling madmen.
Ah... but here's the crux of this tale - it is those same skills of yesteryear that are the best tools to deal with this accursed restic. Having to remove mold slippage from a restic model is no more difficult than performing repair to a model cast from primeval pewter. In the days of old, we did not have the great library of INTERNETS to refer to for hobbying advice - use this great resource brothers and learn from our battle scarred brethen. The tools may be different, and the technique may differ slightly, but the overall methods are the same.
We are upon a new age. The restic hordes are here to stay. With some sweat from your brow, more times than not (edit) when working with models designed to be cast in this medium (/edit), that accursed restic can be made to yield. (In the Privateer Theatre... components that are found to be unsalvagable can be exchanged by sending a message to their Temple of Frontdesk)
Then maybe there is hope brother, maybe we can one day conquer this foul foe that threatens our fingers.
I hope so soon, for the sake of the hands of all.
Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
Hope... tis a foolish hope, brothers. A wise man once said:
Bruce Wayne: Why didn't you just... kill me?
Bane: You don't fear death... You welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.
Bruce Wayne: Torture?
Bane: Yes. But not of your body... Of your soul.
Bruce Wayne: Where am I?
Bane: Home, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this prison is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every man who has ventured here over the centuries has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to freedom. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have died trying.I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize Gotham, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls.
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I think a better reading would be that restic will always be a torturous experience for you due in part to the hopes sold by the purveyors. That is, unless you are the goddamned Batman.
Wehrkind wrote: I think a better reading would be that restic will always be a torturous experience for you due in part to the hopes sold by the purveyors. That is, unless you are the goddamned Batman.
Lo, the Wehr of Kinds speaks truth.
Unless you're the Batman
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JudgeShamgar wrote: Numbly I look down at my left hand and see the blood seeping from hundreds of tiny cuts. No amount of bandaging will stem the flow of my life from those wounds.
The... The STIGMATA! You have truly been blessed (cursed)!
Yours is a soul in need of purification. I know of only one way to save thee. Do you happen to be near a large herd of swine and a lake?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Remember brothers the Plastic Rule of Master Hillel: "That which you find hateful upon thine workbench do not sell unto others. All the rest is profanity. Now go paint something."
For further exploration, may I suggest Moses Maimedextremites' Guide for the Apoplexed.
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Jehan-reznor wrote: I will not stop playing Gachapon, i need my PVC Hello Kitty Heads!
All must bow to The Japanese superior PVC figurines, but i will not lower myself to using the western infidel's PVC creations.
Jehan-reznor, I cannot speak to our nemesis' eastern cousin, but tread carefully! Thy passion for those kitties of greeting may yet lead to darker introductions.
This eastern heaven shows how the dreaded Restic can be used in a "positive?" way to ensnare "the eternal locked in puberty male", I grieve for my Western com-padres that have encountered this inferior PVC that is called restic. May the Anime PVC goddesses shine on you, my betrayed brothers.
I think the difference is that the anime kits are made to be stand alone and not need hobbying to finish them off. So the makers of those kits really pay attention to the tooling process and make sure mould lines are as minimal as possible. If you're going to make a PVC anime kit, imagine going into the board room to show off your wares and you have twisted sections and visible mould lines.
I've seen some anime kits and they're not the same mix as the hard grey PVC that mantic and privateer use. Just as reaper bones is a different PVC mixture, so are the Japanese figures.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
Hello, my name is Aegis, and I am an ashamed owner of a still-unassembled copy of Sedition Wars.
What's worse, I was an original backer of the kickstarter, so I also own two different incarnations of horrible rules to use all that restic with, if I can ever muster the mental fortitude to spend all the hours required to get even the basic set of figures assembled- not to mention all the surplus figures from the biohazard level pledge!
Luckily I was able to resist the forbidden fruit that is Deadzone, though I may have to take the plunge with Forgefathers so I can have my 2nd edition 40K Squat force. Necessary evils must sometimes be faced!
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
AlexHolker wrote: Do the Japanese PVC kits work for more detailed art styles, or is it just that the bland manga sculpts hide the weakness of the material?
You think the details of that angel's dress is bland?
Or that this figures hair is just hiding heat twisting behind a bland sculpt somehow?
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
I highly recommend this article on the massproducing vinyl kits.
It's for a doll, but the technique used has been widely used for figure kits as well... Not viable for small scale stuff but interesting nontheless.
AlexHolker wrote:Do the Japanese PVC kits work for more detailed art styles, or is it just that the bland manga sculpts hide the weakness of the material?
Here is a 1/400 Gundam, made of PVC and about the size of a GW Terminator.
I think at this point we can see the weakness of lumping all types of PVC together. Bones are prepainted plastics without the prepaint which vary in quality by sculpt. Japanese figures are another process that is designed for the end purchaser to buy in a finished state. Hard grey "restic" or "sprueless plastic" or whatever is the excrement that is our true foe.
While there are some Reaper Bones kickstarter backers that lament the shallowness of the detail on sculpts unsuitable to the material, it's the Sedition wars, Mantic, Privateer and the like hard grey PVC that is the true source of our sorrow.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
AlexHolker wrote: Do the Japanese PVC kits work for more detailed art styles, or is it just that the bland manga sculpts hide the weakness of the material?
It ranges from cheap gachapon figures
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to expensive big figurines
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I always chuckle at GW's claim that they are the best in the business, when i see what get's released in Asia, from garagekits, miniatures, model kits etcetera
when they can't even do this ;
or this
frozenwastes wrote: I think at this point we can see the weakness of lumping all types of PVC together. Bones are prepainted plastics without the prepaint which vary in quality by sculpt. Japanese figures are another process that is designed for the end purchaser to buy in a finished state. Hard grey "restic" or "sprueless plastic" or whatever is the excrement that is our true foe.
While there are some Reaper Bones kickstarter backers that lament the shallowness of the detail on sculpts unsuitable to the material, it's the Sedition wars, Mantic, Privateer and the like hard grey PVC that is the true source of our sorrow.
EXACTLY!
These companies need to have a few Kickstarter flops in a row in order to learn their lesson...
frozenwastes wrote: I think at this point we can see the weakness of lumping all types of PVC together. Bones are prepainted plastics without the prepaint which vary in quality by sculpt. Japanese figures are another process that is designed for the end purchaser to buy in a finished state. Hard grey "restic" or "sprueless plastic" or whatever is the excrement that is our true foe.
While there are some Reaper Bones kickstarter backers that lament the shallowness of the detail on sculpts unsuitable to the material, it's the Sedition wars, Mantic, Privateer and the like hard grey PVC that is the true source of our sorrow.
EXACTLY!
These companies need to have a few Kickstarter flops in a row in order to learn their lesson...
Here is both the blessing and the curse of "restic" type PVC. Kickstarter has made the wholesale flooding of the stuff almost a plague. People see they can get 3 or 4 armies worth of models for the price of a Landraider, for instance. The volume of models is just huge. Then when these things finally arrive you look at them in shock and loathing. Into a drawer they go, not even good enough to sell or give away.
Alph, you are so right. Companies would think twice if there were a massive backer azazelx movement, and the project just fell apart.
I can't stop seeing "Azazelx" and "The Prince Who Was Promised" in the same sentence image in my head..........clearly there has been some lasting damage from this restic experience.
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Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch." Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!"
Sinful Hero wrote:Okay, so we're cool with Anime PVC figures and Bones right?(phew! Dodged two bullets there)
Our order of knights does not require the universal hatred of all PVC, but some among us still hate Bones & anime figures equally alongside the grey abomination. Whether it is they who are unfairly lumping these different types of figures together unfairly, or if it is that people like myself who have been tempted by perfidy through bones or anime pvc will likely be an ongoing doctrinal debate
Bones: I'll buy them on a case by case basis. And generally only in person at a local store when I get into town. Anime Figure PVC: I have a few friends that are really into anime and I've got them figures in the past as presents and will do so again in the future. Grey Abomination: I will never buy this again. Nor pledge for a Kickstarter that doesn't explicitly state it's materials on the off hand chance that it ends up being this stuff. I will spend money on polythene toy soldiers before I get more hard grey PVC.
Alpharius wrote:These companies need to have a few Kickstarter flops in a row in order to learn their lesson...
Definitely.
H.B.M.C. wrote:There are very few things I can say I regret. Sedition Wars and Deadzone are two of them.
Sedition Wars had such potential. I am so glad it ended up on my "pick up at retail if everyone loves it" list. Deadzone happend just after I started a large historicals project, otherwise that one would have got me for sure.
JudgeShamgar wrote:Here is both the blessing and the curse of "restic" type PVC. Kickstarter has made the wholesale flooding of the stuff almost a plague. People see they can get 3 or 4 armies worth of models for the price of a Landraider, for instance. The volume of models is just huge. Then when these things finally arrive you look at them in shock and loathing. Into a drawer they go, not even good enough to sell or give away.
People like Perry, Victrix, Warlord, Gripping Beast, Fireforge and others are showing you can produce hard styrene figures for really cheap. Like 75 cents to a dollar per miniature.
Quantity is no excuse! Brothers, sisters! Do not fall for it!
Alph, you are so right. Companies would think twice if there were a massive backer azazelx movement, and the project just fell apart.
Azazelx the pledge!
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
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