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Paradigm wrote: I must admit I'd like to see some Sisters plastics, or at least a suitable 3rd party alternative, as they are currently the only Imperial faction I don't own. I'm thinking they may be some conversion potential when Dreamforge get round to releasing the Black Widows.
Expensive 3rd party models, but pretty much what SoB players might want in plastic. Ordered some from there myself. Very flimsy resin but the models are amazing!
DA:80-S+G+M+B++I-Pw40k01++D+++A+++WD100R++T(T)DM+
Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass.
Paradigm wrote: I must admit I'd like to see some Sisters plastics, or at least a suitable 3rd party alternative, as they are currently the only Imperial faction I don't own. I'm thinking they may be some conversion potential when Dreamforge get round to releasing the Black Widows.
Expensive 3rd party models, but pretty much what SoB players might want in plastic. Ordered some from there myself. Very flimsy resin but the models are amazing!
Pretty awesome, but a little expensive for my blood and probably quite limited as an army. Undeniably cool, though.
The reason sob sell poorly is because GWcan't be bothered to support them and put some effort into them. hates girls.
Come on. Shadowsun is pretty nice. Eldar female guardians/kaballites/wyches are… just the same as male guardians/kaballites/wyches.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
the_Armyman wrote: Unless Jes Goodwin sculpts the entire range (a lá Dark Eldar) and the current rules writers are struck by divine inspiration, I say leave the Sisters alone. At this point in GW's history, nothing good will come of it, otherwise. We'll get Sister Menses Menstralclaws wielding the Sword of the Cycle, riding a giant maxi-pad pulled by penitent engines. And a giant Spaceballs Mega-Maid superheavy-walker kit because reasons...
Part of me wants to say not to give them ideas, but then every army is getting a new monsterous creature and our elites options might as well not exist...
Peregrine wrote: What, you don't like rolling dice to see how many dice you roll? Why are you such an anti-dice bigot?
The reason sob sell poorly is because GWcan't be bothered to support them and put some effort into them. hates girls.
Come on. Shadowsun is pretty nice. Eldar female guardians/kaballites/wyches are… just the same as male guardians/kaballites/wyches.
How many female characters are there? How many female models are there for generic, should-be-genderless HQs? How many female torsos are there in non-gender-specific unit boxes? The answers to all of these questions ranges from none to a few. It seems more than a little suspicious that the only army neglected to that extent is the one comprised entirely of women.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Knock off Terminator movie robots were released in metal at the tail of 2nd and didn't figure much in 3rd. They were uglier, and more expensive than Sisters, but look at them now.
The initial Necron release was much earlier. There were two releases in 2nd edition... The initial lot which just had Warriors, Scarabs and possibly the Lord, and then a later update which added in Immortals and Destroyers.
Presumably the extra effort they've had put into them since then would be down to either them selling better, or the accountants seeing more potential sales in them.
Not quite true.
The initial Necron release was (1st quarter '98) four months after the initial Battle Sister release (third quarter '97), and about a month or two before the release of third edition (third quarter '98).
The initial Necron release featured Warriors and Scarabs, then the next month was followed by Lords and Destroyers, along with a battle report (Massacre at Sanctuary 101) in which they murdered the Sisters in an obviously stacked battle (twice as many points, and the Sisters only had a veteran superior leading them).
The Necrons then received a Chapter Approved army list a couple of months after Third Edition dropped, which introduced Immortals. A year later, the Sisters also had a Chapter Approved army list, in which they were basically S/T/I 3 Space Marines without ATSKNF, but no new models until Forge World released their Exorcist and Repressor. The important part here is that Necrons were readily available in most third-party stockists, while to get Sisters models, you had to hope that the local GW had some in - whether this holds true for other parts of the world, I don't know, but certainly in south-east England it was true.
Three years after that, the Necrons got a full codex and a full line of plastic and hybrid models... finally, just before 4th edition came out, the Sisters got Codex: Witch Hunters, which blended them in with the Inquisition and destroyed much of their identity as an army, but introduced Acts of Faith.
Both were then mostly neglected, other than some Forge World goodies and appearances in Dawn of War, until the Necrons got a new codex in 2011, and the Sisters got a white dwarf update in 2012.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Frozen Ocean wrote: How many female characters are there? How many female models are there for generic, should-be-genderless HQs?
Not enough for my taste. But those that are out there are actually quite good compared to the standard in these kind of universes, especially compared to Fantasy, where I remember most female models being either cleavage-showing sorceress, or almost naked dark elves.
(WFB got Valkia though. Valkia looks badass.)
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
How would SoB players react to a dataslate for Sisters?
I think it would be a good way for GW to gauge interest and give people who don't want to drop a bunch of money trying out Sisters a shot at em.
IMO I think the codex is more harmful to sisters then a dataslate because you either have to drop a bunch of money for metal minis for say 1500 points or whatever amount of sisters plus allies, so minis get moved slowly and GW thinks SoB isn't a viable update candidate.
OTOH, Guard sells, and they have the ugliest plastic infantry, by far. If you want halfway-decent Guardsmen, you have to hunt down the metal minis, and the nice generic metal Cadians have been very long out of production.
It would be nice if Forgeworld could produce a Titan for the Sisters, a massive Penitent Engine that leverages the Knight base. That would be a relatively low investment option to allow GW to gauge interest, while creating something truly amazing.
Frozen Ocean wrote: It seems more than a little suspicious that the only army neglected to that extent is the one comprised entirely of women.
Or Squats (who had over 100 unique models and plastic troops), or Genestealer Cult (who had approximately 40 unique sculpts and plastic troops). When you say "only", it's ridiculously false. The Sisters of Battle were a niche line with 43 unique models by my count. It isn't like there was no precedent for an army to fall by the wayside. I understand we're 20 years removed from the Squats going away (2nd Edition) and probably 15 from the end of the Genestealer Cult (3rd Edition) so the commonality is lost on younger players, but the Sisters model range is no different from either of those armies, in that they borrowed models (Squats used IG/SM tanks, GC borrowed from IG and Tyranids, SoB use SM model-based transports) to complete their army lists.
Some armies succeed, some fail. There's really no more to it. People bought Egyptian Space Terminators so they got more models. The only reason the Sisters haven't gotten more support is probably because the profit potential wasn't seen.
As far as the female models thing, it's a wargame. Saying "why aren't there more girls" is like complaining "Why aren't there more female leads in WW2 movies?"
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Without going into the well-trod women at war argument...
The Sisters were never well supported in the first place. Barely a handful of box sets were bought by TPRs (the FLGS of the time, before playing games in shops outside Games Workshop became popular), they were nigh impossible to get hold of because the TPRs thought the Necrons would sell better...
I started collecting when the Sisters and the Necrons came out. I wanted, desperately, to collect Sisters.
Could I find any Sisters to buy? Could I hell. Necrons, though? I could go down to the fricken newsagent to buy some Necrons.
That, my friends, is why the Sisters 'failed'.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Frozen Ocean wrote: It seems more than a little suspicious that the only army neglected to that extent is the one comprised entirely of women.
Or Squats (who had over 100 unique models and plastic troops), or Genestealer Cult (who had approximately 40 unique sculpts and plastic troops).
When you say "only", it's ridiculously false.
Don't forget Dogs of War, who had a proper Warhammer Armies Book (i.e. Codex) and a vast, full range of unique sculpts, including Monsters and War Machines...
GW has Squatted armies before, and they'll do it again. As long as you have a current Codex, life is good.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote: As far as the female models thing, it's a wargame. Saying "why aren't there more girls" is like complaining "Why aren't there more female leads in WW2 movies?"
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Frozen Ocean wrote: It seems more than a little suspicious that the only army neglected to that extent is the one comprised entirely of women.
Or Squats (who had over 100 unique models and plastic troops), or Genestealer Cult (who had approximately 40 unique sculpts and plastic troops).
When you say "only", it's ridiculously false.
Don't forget Dogs of War, who had a proper Warhammer Armies Book (i.e. Codex) and a vast, full range of unique sculpts, including Monsters and War Machines...
GW has Squatted armies before, and they'll do it again. As long as you have a current Codex, life is good.
It's still a heretic:
Piloted by heretics guilty of a terrible crime, they have been given one of the worst imaginable punishments available to the Imperium. A multitude of wires and chemical injectors are implanted into the heretics spine, which are then attached to a mechanical suit of destruction. When not engaged in combat, their chemical implants inject feelings of guilt and pain directly into their brains, reminding them of their sins. Driven by their pilot's frantic need for forgiveness, Penitent Engines charge towards enemy forces heedless for danger, knowing that only in death can forgiveness can be earned.
... this besides the fact that its current Codex entry makes it a "do not ever field this unit" type thing.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Yeah, I could understand the idea of arcoflagellant, but PE always seemed weird to me.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Psienesis wrote: Why would you put a heretic in a Titan-sized PE?
Penitent, not Heretic. There's a difference. Heretics are put to death. Penitents serve.
There is no reason a Penitent Engine cannot be scaled up to Knight size...
Homebrew Penitent Titan here. Someone else's idea the whole thread ran with like a giant crazy running thing packed full of tormented heretics whose suffering grants power-ups.... One of its unique special rules is "That Which Kills Us Makes Us Stronger."
BURN IT DOWN BURN IT DOWN BABY BURN IT DOWN
Psienesis wrote: Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.
Take WFB grail reliquary. 40k-ize it. Add more flames. Done.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Psienesis wrote: Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.
No offense, but the penitent titan idea is exactly what I'm talking about when I said leave things as they are. It's unoriginal, it's a caricature of the already slightly ridiculous idea of religious death machines (of death), and it adds nothing to the army except a big, ugly hunk of plastic. But it's exactly the type of garbage rules-writing and fluff that GW is in love with right now. Don't have any good ideas? Run with the bad ones and make them BIG.
Dear GW,
Make a plastic Repressor. Give us back Zealots. Create a War of Faith list with penal legions, arco-flags, repentia, and Ecclesiarchy characters. Work within the existing wealth of material instead of pulling stuff out of your behind, trying to convince us how clever you are.
Love, All Sisters Players
Now look at the DE reboot. Unpopular army that wasn't updated for an extremely long time and was taken off store shelves sold poorly. Then GW updates them with a full size print book and re-do's the entire line. Oh look they are starting to sell now and become more popular. I mean who would have thought supporting the army in stores with a full line of models including lots of plastic kits would help sales?
This. Also, the Necron Reboot from a bit further back. These so called "unpopular" armies got a huge shot in the arm when GW decided to actually give them a little equal time with other armies. SoBs now are in the same boat Necrons and DE were in earlier editions. Armies that are screwed over by the company don't sell well, because oddly enough, people don't feel like investing eight times the money of another army in something with outdated, sometimes ugly (cough, Repentia, cough) metal models that don't convert well, and with only half a rules set (one troop choice, no superheavies, fewer options in general), that could get squatted or have rules left to lapse for years on end. It's not because nobody wants to play the faction.
The only reason to view the Sisters differently than DE or Necrons is if you believe that most of the GW fanbase won't buy the army because they think girls have cooties.
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MrFlutterPie wrote: Now look at the DE reboot. I mean who would have thought supporting the army in stores with a full line of models including lots of plastic kits would help sales?
This. Also, the Necron Reboot from a bit further back. These so called "unpopular" armies got a huge shot in the arm when GW decided to actually give them a little equal time with other armies.
Aye. I never saw a Necron player (or model, or codex) before the reboot. We had exactly one Dark Eldar player before the reboot, and no close-by store had a codex to check if there was a rules problem. I think people bought the starter boxes they came in and just threw away the deldar.
Frozen Ocean wrote: It seems more than a little suspicious that the only army neglected to that extent is the one comprised entirely of women.
Or Squats (who had over 100 unique models and plastic troops), or Genestealer Cult (who had approximately 40 unique sculpts and plastic troops). When you say "only", it's ridiculously false. The Sisters of Battle were a niche line with 43 unique models by my count. It isn't like there was no precedent for an army to fall by the wayside. I understand we're 20 years removed from the Squats going away (2nd Edition) and probably 15 from the end of the Genestealer Cult (3rd Edition) so the commonality is lost on younger players, but the Sisters model range is no different from either of those armies, in that they borrowed models (Squats used IG/SM tanks, GC borrowed from IG and Tyranids, SoB use SM model-based transports) to complete their army lists.
They decided that Squats didn't fit the direction the universe was taking, or something like that. They had reasons. Genestealer Cults are only a subset of Tyranids, who have stayed strong throughout the years. The only reason they've given as to why they haven't updated the Sisters is some absolute nonsense about how they can't sculpt sleeves.
Veteran Sergeant wrote: Some armies succeed, some fail. There's really no more to it. People bought Egyptian Space Terminators so they got more models. The only reason the Sisters haven't gotten more support is probably because the profit potential wasn't seen.
Other people with history with this topic are talking about it better than I could.
Veteran Sergeant wrote: As far as the female models thing, it's a wargame. Saying "why aren't there more girls" is like complaining "Why aren't there more female leads in WW2 movies?"
They had Farseers in WW2, right? WW2 was, shockingly, a different time, and even then women weren't simply ignored for being women - they took over necessary working roles after most of the men went to war. The Imperium isn't in a situation like that, and it doesn't discriminate as long as you're not a mutant, a heretic, or an alien. The Eldar and Tau are entirely equal, and the Necrons absolutely should be. So where are the female Farseers, Autarchs, Inquisitors, Haemonculi, Crypteks, Commissars, Commanders, Exarchs, Planetary Governors, Tech-Adepts, Assassins, Admirals, Stormtroopers, Imperial Knights, Necron Lords and Overlords, Archons, Daemons who aren't Slaaneshi, and Shas'O? They even went out of their way to mention that female Imperial Knights are nearly non-existent. All of the Phoenix Lords are men except one.
Oh, and not only are they all male, they're all white, too. Yes, even the aliens are white men if applicable.
Me, on a thread talking about Imperial Knights just after their release wrote:It's bad enough that we have so few female characters in general, but now yet another faction is explicitly all-male (and not even for any reason, this time!)? Space Marines are innately all-male, Orks are innately "male", and Tyranids are genderless, but what about the Eldar, Tau, Imperial Guard, Inquisitors (who actually lost the one female character they had) and 5th-ed Necrons, who have one named female character between them (Shadowsun) and one unit that is "the girls" (Banshees, even though Aspects are not explicitly gendered, but of course all of the Phoenix Lords were guys except one)? What about the supposedly-genderless Chaos Daemons? The Dark Eldar have Lady Malys (who will probably disappear next update and is notably inferior to a male character, which she has a bit of a complex about) and Lelith Hesperax, but Lelith is part of the Wyches, who basically exist to be "look the Dark Eldar are pervy and stuff, they have girls in bikinis!". Why couldn't we have a cool character like Drazhar, but female? Why are there no female Inquisitors, Tech-Priests, Farseers, Phaerons, Commissars, Warp Spider Exarchs, tank commanders, Lords of Change, etc?
Spoiler'd for people who don't care. I mostly gathered this information because I was curious.
Spoiler:
Boys Adepta Sororitas: Uriah Jacobus
Chaos Daemons: Kairos Fateweaver, Epidemus, The Blue Scribes, Skulltaker, The Changeling, Karanak, Be'lakor
Chaos Space Marines: Abaddon, Typhus, Ahriman, Khârn the Betrayer, Fabulous Bill, Lucius the Eternal, Huron Blackheart
Dark Eldar: Asdrubael Vect, Baron Sathonyx, Kheradruakh, Duke Sliscus, Drazhar, Urien Rakarth
Eldar: Eldrad Ulthran, Prince Yriel, Illic Nightspear, Asurmen, Karandras, Fuegan, Baharroth, Maugan Ra, The Avatar of Khaine
Orks: Ghazghkull Thraka, Mad Dok Grotsnik, Boss Snikrot, Boss Zagstruk,
Inquisition: Karamazov, Coteaz
Imperial Guard: Lord Castellan Creed, Colour Sergeant Kell, Knight Commander Pask, Sergeant Bastonne, Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken, Guardsman Marbo, Gunnery Sergeant Harker, Commissar Yarrick, Captain Al'Rahem, Commander Chenkov, Mogul Kamir, Nork Deddog
Necrons: Imotetk the Stormlord, Trazyn the Infinite, Nemesor Zahndrekh, Vargard Obyron, Illuminor Szeras, Orikan the Diviner, Anrakyr the Traveller, Shard of The Deceiver, Shard of The Nightbringer
Space Marines: Commander Dante, Mephiston, The Sanguinor, Astorath the Grim, Chapter Master Gabriel Seth, Captain Tycho, Brother Corbulo, Lemartes, Cypher the Fallen Angel, Supreme Grand Master Azrael, Grand Master of Librarians Ezekiel, Belial, Asmodai, Sammael, Castellan Crowe, Lord Kaldor Draigo, Justicar Thawn, Brother-Captain Stern, Grand Master Mordrak, Marneus Calgar, Captain Sicarius, Chief Librarian Tigurius, Chaplain Cassius, Kor'sarro Khan, Forgefather Vulkan He'stan, Captain Kayvaan Shrike, Darnath Lysander, Pedro Kantor, High Marshal Helbrecht, Chaplain Grimaldus, Scout Sergeant Telion, Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, Canis Wolfborn, Ragnar Blackmane, Ulrik the Slayer, Bjorn the Fell-Handed, Arjac Rockfist, Lukas the Trickster
Tau Empire: Commander Farsight, Darkstrider, Aun'va, Aun Shi, Longstrike, Bravestorm, O'Vesa, Brightsword, Sha'vastos, Ob'lotai (AI imprint of a male character), Arra'kon, Torchstar
Girls Adepta Sororitas: Saint Celestine
Chaos Daemons: The Masque
Dark Eldar: Lady Malys, Lelith Hesperax
Eldar: Jain Zar
Inquisition: Valeria (removed)
Tau: Commander Shadowsun
Breakdown: Note: I don't have every Codex, so I'm using GW's site. This means I'll probably miss some who don't have models. I'm also not including Forge World.
- The specifically female faction, the Sororitas, have one female character and one male character.
- The genderless faction, the Daemons, have nine "male" characters and one female character who is "female" "because Slaanesh". Why can't we get a female Bloodthirster or something? Heck, why no female Daemon Princes, ever?
- If a unit is nameless and non-gender-specific, it will be male almost always (e.g. Farseer). If there are any girls in a squad of nameless troopers, it's very rare (Guardians).
- If something is genderless and not a Tyranid, it is referred to as male unless it's to do with Slaanesh and also pretty/elegant/etc. Why is the Masque female but the Changeling is male? Especially the Changeling!
- Total is 111 boys vs 7 girls, including Valeria.
Let's take away gender-specific characters, mostly Space Marines (characters whose gender is because of what they are).
Boys Adepta Sororitas: Uriah Jacobus
Chaos Daemons: Kairos Fateweaver, Epidemus, The Blue Scribes, Skulltaker, The Changeling, Karanak, Be'lakor
Dark Eldar: Asdrubael Vect, Baron Sathonyx, Kheradruakh, Duke Sliscus, Drazhar, Urien Rakarth
Eldar: Eldrad Ulthran, Prince Yriel, Illic Nightspear, Asurmen, Karandras, Fuegan, Baharroth, Maugan Ra
Inquisition: Karamazov, Coteaz
Imperial Guard: Lord Castellan Creed, Colour Sergeant Kell, Knight Commander Pask, Sergeant Bastonne, Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken, Guardsman Marbo, Gunnery Sergeant Harker, Commissar Yarrick, Captain Al'Rahem, Commander Chenkov, Mogul Kamir, Nork Deddog
Necrons: Imotetk the Stormlord, Trazyn the Infinite, Nemesor Zahndrekh, Vargard Obyron, Illuminor Szeras, Orikan the Diviner, Anrakyr the Traveller, Shard of The Deceiver, Shard of The Nightbringer
Tau Empire: Commander Farsight, Darkstrider, Aun'va, Aun Shi, Longstrike, Bravestorm, O'Vesa, Brightsword, Sha'vastos, Ob'lotai (AI imprint of a male character), Arra'kon, Torchstar
Girls Dark Eldar: Lady Malys
Eldar: Jain Zar
Inquisition: Valeria (removed)
Tau: Commander Shadowsun
It's now 57 vs 4, including Valeria. I removed a few things that I feel need explained; the Avatar, because Khaine is a male god (whatever that means), even though there still isn't any reason why the Young King can't be female; The Masque and Lelith, because their gender is used as part of their job (Dark Eldar/Slaanesh perviness, boys aren't allowed to be pretty/graceful). I didn't remove the C'tan because there's no reason why they need to be gendered - unlike Khaine, because Eldar gods are generally treated like big Eldar.
This is outdated, so the numbers are a little skewed (they removed a few IG characters, for example). It's also not including Forge World characters, but those are all male anyway.
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I'm confused... What's the joke with cavewoman riding a dinosaur? I think it might be a dig at GW's fondness of mounts, but why a dinosaur?
the_Armyman wrote: At this point in GW's history, nothing good will come of it, otherwise. We'll get Sister Menses Menstralclaws wielding the Sword of the Cycle, riding a giant maxi-pad pulled by penitent engines. And a giant Spaceballs Mega-Maid superheavy-walker kit because reasons...
I dunno, I think it could go okay. The SoB have a pretty strong aesthetic (gothic, religious), one that's a little harder than others to go over the top with. I think there's a reasonable chance that nee SoBs could turn out just fine.
JohnHwangDD wrote: The problem is that their supporters are very, very few, and they don't buy much stuff.
You'd be surprised, then. A lot of people say they'd pick up some Sisters were they to become available, and their ebook codex seemed to sell pretty well on iBooks. There is some notable interest there.
insaniak wrote: There have been several comments made over the years to the effect that the studio has wanted to do more with them, but have had to fight just to keep them in the game because the accountants didn't consider them a viable line.
Could I get a source on that? All the comments I've seen from GW staff have pretty much put it down to issues with making models. Though, granted, they probably wouldn't be too forward about internal conflicts with management.
Psienesis wrote: I just envision this as an even worse-looking version of a Dreadknight... and that's bad.
Especially when we could have Church-Tank as an option.
For me, the ideal SoB superheavy are the giant, mobile cathedrals that sometimes show up in their fluff. Perfectly suited to the army's theme, utterly unique to them, and would probably look really nice as a model.
Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far.
I don't pretend to understand why GW does what it does. They may be going off some sales metric from 20 years ago, or they might be going off the very real limitation of shelf space that a "new" army would require. However, I'm fairly certain that being an army of girls has nothing to do with why they don't get an update.
the_Armyman wrote:Dear GW,
Make a plastic Repressor. Give us back Zealots. Create a War of Faith list with penal legions, arco-flags, repentia, and Ecclesiarchy characters. Work within the existing wealth of material instead of pulling stuff out of your behind, trying to convince us how clever you are.
Love, All Sisters Players
Exalted.
Frozen Ocean wrote:WW2 was, shockingly, a different time, and even then women weren't simply ignored for being women - they took over necessary working roles after most of the men went to war.
Eh, if you really want to take him on in that argument, I'd simply point out how women were indeed fighting in WW2, instead of confirming historical revisionism.
Frozen Ocean wrote:Oh, and not only are they all male, they're all white, too. Yes, even the aliens are white men if applicable.
Indeed, this is noticeable as well. Likely not malice (I'd hope) - the designers in question may just go with themselves and their immediate buddies when thinking of a "default archetype for human(oid) characters". A saddening lack of awareness that humanity (and alien species in particular!) have an appearance that expands beyond their own individual self, if you will.
Frozen Ocean wrote:Why couldn't we have a cool character like Drazhar, but female? Why are there no female Inquisitors, Tech-Priests, Farseers, Phaerons, Commissars, Warp Spider Exarchs, tank commanders, Lords of Change, etc?
It gets funnier once you do a bit of research and notice that there were female Inquisitors and a female Commissar, hell we even had female Catachans at some point - but they are all OOP and/or (if SC rather than non-individual unit models) were written out of the game.
Sidebeef: And the one female SoBSC is not even a real Sister.
the_Armyman wrote:However, I'm fairly certain that being an army of girls has nothing to do with why they don't get an update.
I dunno, it could be the same thing that's going on in the video game industry, where publishers refuse a studio's ideas because of "established industry wisdom" maintaining that games with female protagonists don't sell.
Look at the target demographic of the tabletop; it's pretty much the same crowd.
Maybe SoB are to tabletop what female protagonists are to Assassin's Creed.
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