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Sometimes telling somebody not to do something just makes them all the more likely to stick their finger in the light socket.
I prefer Ren and Stimpy's "Don't Wizz on the Electric Fence" warning.
you EEEEEDIOT!
"So, whizzed on the electric fence, didn't you?"
"-Nonsense, the Inquisitor and his retinue are our hounoured guests, of course we should invite them to celebrate Four-armed Emperor-day with us..." Thought for the Day - Never use the powerfist hand to wipe.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Just to clarify, the CD guy asked BTP what it would cost to paint to a certain spec that BTP had themselves shown as a sample army. The level of performance was very clear, and very clearly not up to spec. It's not like he just paid for an arbitrary level. BTP simply ignored what he had requested, after BTP had received his models and initial payment.
It's like walking onto a car dealer's lot, seeing a Corvette that's being prepped for delivery, and asking what it would cost to get the same car. The dealer says X, and defines the downpayment. You pay it, and a long time later, the dealer tells you that your "Corvette" is ready, and it's just a Malibu with a couple Corvette stickers taped to it. As opposed to the Corvette that you paid and signed for.
I don't think BTP ever showed a high end job of their own work as a sample.
The CD had a lot of problems, one of which was models being painted to a lower level than what was paid for (which from memory they did admit pretty early in the piece), but another big problem was that the client had an overflated expectation of what the levels were.
Also that BTP ignored his instructions for painting the army. IIRC his main request was 'more gore than a Saw film'. There was not a bit of gore on the models, but there was an airbrushed glow from the lava bases he did not ask for.
Painting to a lower standard than expected is one thing. Ignoring customer rquests and going rogue with how to paint them is something else.
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It was really a whole heap of things that went in to the CD debacle, it wasn't just one or two things. The whole thing was a disaster of missed deadlines, poorly painted models, poor communication and not sufficiently trying to reconcile with the customer.
When it came to painting low end table top models on a budget BTP pricing never seemed horrible to me, not the best but also not unreasonable. From memory for the low levels they were charging prices that would imply they were spending an hour or less on a model and naturally the end result also looked like someone spent less than an hour on it
It was their high levels that seemed off, as the high levels were approaching prices that SHOULD be something that looked good but really they just looked like something an average painter could churn out in a couple of hours.
But it was their mismanagement and poor handling of complaints more than anything that makes me not recommend them.
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Don't forget about them changing the levels during the Chaos Dwarf fiasco.
Short version: Dude orders a bunch of stuff at the top end of the spectrum, level 6 (they claim level 7 is Golden Demon winning). Gets a bunch of stuff at barely level 1-2 (Table top quality).
Dude goes on interwebs to show what happened.
Blue Table rewrites their levels after the fact so that now level 6 is table-top quality and the top level is 10.
This was either right after or right before they edited a bunch of the email correspondence to try to make dude look bad.
Blue Table Painting is like an umbrella in a cave, as shady as they get.
Did they ever actually claim that? A bit shady if they did, but anyone with eyes should be able to look at their pictures and see they've never at any point in time produced something that could compete for Golden Demon.
Did they ever actually claim that? A bit shady if they did, but anyone with eyes should be able to look at their pictures and see they've never at any point in time produced something that could compete for Golden Demon.
Yes, they did.
They conducted themselves as shady snake-oil salesmen throughout the entire fiasco. tenebre was being a lot more understanding and tolerant than BTP deserved, in my opinion. He was going out of his way to work out something fair and amicable while BTP were just ducking and weaving around the issue to keep hold of the marks - sorry, customers - money. What they did was practically fraud. False advertising certainly. They cared more about the fact that tenebre had uploaded a Youtube video and started the Dakka thread than actually addressing the customers legitimate complaints and making sure he was happy/satisfied.
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Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek)
I'd be shocked as hell if anyone in BTPs employ could ever win a Golden Demon. They're terrible. That Nurgle army is hideous. Not in a good Nurgle way either. I bet they love Ork and Nurgle commissions because they can justify
Their their gak sloppy job.
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I'd be shocked as hell if anyone in BTPs employ could ever win a Golden Demon. They're terrible. That Nurgle army is hideous. Not in a good Nurgle way either. I bet they love Ork and Nurgle commissions because they can justify
Their their gak sloppy job.
Well, you're looking at the two extremes, you can't use low level Ork and Nurgle armies as an example of whether or not they can paint golden demon standard, I don't think there's anyone in the world who'll paint you a golden demon standard model for $10 or whatever they charge for their low levels these days.
But I don't recall seeing anything in their high end lineup that was anywhere near golden demon standard either. It wasn't just one of those statements like "level 11 (or whatever) would be golden demon standard but we don't actually offer it"?
Did they ever actually claim that? A bit shady if they did, but anyone with eyes should be able to look at their pictures and see they've never at any point in time produced something that could compete for Golden Demon.
I believe they offered up to level 6, and the theoretical level 7 would be "golden deamon standard"
So while they never claimed they could (or at least that they wouldn't) paint to that level, if you ordered something painted to level 6 you could reasonably expect something close to award winning paintjobs.
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Zywus wrote: I believe they offered up to level 6, and the theoretical level 7 would be "golden deamon standard"
So while they never claimed they could (or at least that they wouldn't) paint to that level, if you ordered something painted to level 6 you could reasonably expect something close to award winning paintjobs.
Ah ok, yeah I'm vaguely remembering that now.
But yeah, I distinctly remember images of the higher level stuff never looking all that great. So while they can SAY it's almost competition level, the evidence is in the pictures that it wasn't.
As with any business, the customer needs to be careful listening to marketing spin vs examining what the finished product will be.
The biggest thing that ever put me off BTP wasn't actually the quality or pricing, it was those videos that the owner put out, they just made the whole business look very shady to me.
sorry for the quality not able to do anythig else at this time.
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Sorry to hear that's how it turned out for you. Sometimes it does feel like western legal systems are stacked in favour of scumbags, my family had the unpleasant experience of a company trying to sink us under legal fees and at that point it becomes very hard to "win" even if you get the judges over to your side.
Above and beyond their painting quality and price it's their incredibly dodgy scummy behaviour that gets me trying to warn people away from BTP.
filbert wrote: Any chance of a quick text precis for those of us not able to view the video?
Basically BTP kept asking for continuations and tried to drown him in legal bills. Eventually they settled and would pay lawyer fees and the cost of the army, and were allowed to do so over two years with no interest on a payment plan. BTP then paid the bare minimum for lawyer fees and then stopped paying and ran away from being served. Eventually OP could go after assets but does not have the money to get into another legal battle so BTP gets off scot free
Uh, they did? BTP did the pieces for PB's GenCon unveiling and demo games. Go do some digging, they're what you'd expect. From BTP and PB, not for unveiling a game to the public, that is.
sorry for the quality not able to do anythig else at this time.
My gods. I cannot fathom it. He slips away again like the sneaky snake oil peddler he is.
Internet, you are warned, deal with Shawn Gately and Blue Table Painting at your own risk, the evidence presented here and elsewhere is... distinctly unfavorable.
If I ever meet anyone who says they are thinking about using blue table, I will show them this thread. And warn them away from it. And suggest some of the other commission painters. Blue table is absolutely worthless, they are cheats, and disgusting human beings. They should be ashamed of themselves and should leave the painting community permanently.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek) 
Chaos Dwarfs ~9000
Slaanesh ~14700
Black Templars 4000 
Deathwatch 6000
