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2013/01/16 20:22:37
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Haha..I can't begin to tell you how much I don't give a damn about what people think of me unless it's my work, professional or craftsmanship. I just don't have time for it
The P&M section is so full of talented people, it's a natural hedge against the trolls.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/16 20:33:24
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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i´ve read the silmarillion...it was a very good read... sometimes i had to chew my way through... but a big story of epic proportions...and especially for the backgroud of elves and orks...or for that matter of sauron himself a must read i think...for every LotR fan!!!
also... to all you english speaking fellas out there... in an interview of RR Tolkien... he stated that the german version was surprisingly better for his own taste than the english version... that is a revalation one doesn´t easily swallos, eh?
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2013/01/16 20:44:36
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well, It's all written in a 1930's English style, which is sort of dated nowadays, at least in the US. As I re-read the Hobbit, I also found some alliterations that seemed strange. Not Old KJV Bible English, but close
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/16 20:55:05
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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oh... mind you... i like reading Shakespearian english...stuff like the taming of the shrew... that is one hilarious and probably one of the sauciest pieces of literature that everyone has to agree upon to be of historical value but still is so naughty it should be on an adult list
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2013/01/16 21:06:48
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Viktor von Domm wrote:oh... mind you... i like reading Shakespearian english...stuff like the taming of the shrew... that is one hilarious and probably one of the sauciest pieces of literature that everyone has to agree upon to be of historical value but still is so naughty it should be on an adult list
It was probably Banned in Boston at one point...
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2013/01/16 21:07:17
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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is boston that stiff?
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2013/01/16 21:12:23
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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dsteingass: No worries, and not meaning to go "off topic" with your thread, but I am absolutely sure none of these horrible OT trolls ever sit around complaining about the people in the other parts of dakkadakka. Anyway, I will stop rudely derailing your thread with this now.
Vik: The silmarillion lied to me! As a kid after I'd read the Hobbit and LOTR I was super hyped up for some more middle earth stories. I saw "Unfinished Tales" with the gigantic mer man coming out of the sea
and the awesomeness of the Silmarillion cover:
and was super excited.
I mean, who was this giant trident wielding guy? And who was that with the sword at his feet?
And what about this pristine white city under seige by what looks like a bajillion orcs, AWESOME DRAGONS, and some incredibly bad ass evil dude on a horse? What evil could be so strong as to rend the Earth in front of the city?
WAAAAH I had to read it! I saved my meagre earnings from doing chores and odd jobs for neighbours to buy it and set to reading it, super excited. It was a bit of let down
I think it's interesting, but I wouldn't say it's a great book.
I am curious about whether you'll follow the movie scheme for the goblins, dsteingass. I think they could benefit from something a little darker, myself.
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2013/01/16 21:22:27
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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oh... poor da boss.... i´ve read the silmarillion after LotR (and even the hobbit after reading these as well....)
and my copy of the silmarillion has a very booring cover... so no over advertising here... we germans... we tend to be so sober from time to time. but i can totally see your point when looking at these cover arts... that must´ve felt unfair...
also... the charles tolkien book... i still haven´t read that yet... somehow books having been published in universes which have not the original author to tell the tale due to their own deaths... it feels a bit weird... a bit like necromancy?
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2013/01/16 21:24:50
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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You mean his son? He doesn't really write anything, he just collects and edits tolkien's essays into coherant stories. The unfinished tales has some good stuff in it, I liked it more than the Silmarillion because it's often more character focused. Obviously not as polished as LOTR or the Hobbit, though.
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2013/01/16 21:37:00
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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I've read all the books and I found The Silmarillion and The Unfinished Tales more challenging to read than The Hobbit and TLoTR, due to slight dyslexia.
But I enjoyed The Silmarillion more than The Unfinished Tales (but it did get better later on, I think it was just the first couple of tales that I struggled with or didn't enjoy as much).
Anyway, Your models are looking good D, keep it up,
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2013/01/16 21:40:11
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Haha, no worries, my threads always go off-topic lol It is the natural state of things. Again, I really don't care what the OT trolls do, until they try to ruin perfectly legitimate discussion threads with their poison, and when it's one of my friends, I really get pissed. We are here to share our hobby and encourage others to do the same. Dakka is a community and a wealth of knowledge that can't be bought or sold and therefore can't be controlled. Troll gak can discourage people from trying, posting, and in worse cases leave the hobby altogether. The rules of conduct are a social contract we all agree on to use Dakka. OT trolls force the mods to act as babysitters, distracting them from the other work that needs done, so no, I really don't give a damn what they talk about, because they are busy trolling, not cutting, gluing, painting, or playing wargames.
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Anyways..Back to Tolkien...The introduction pages to the Fellowship of the Ring book tells the story of how he wrote parts, then WW2 happened, and then he sort of went back and re-wrote the entire LOTR story from back to front. For instance, I LOVE Dan Abnett, but I just can't get through any of his non- GW universe books. He does amazingly well within (and expanding on) the pre-fab 40k universe, but Embedded..not so much IMHO. He is very clever with the way he tells a story, then later goes back and tells backstory to fill in the blanks. But in Embedded, he is forced to tell the entire story of the universe that way, so it's difficult for me to get into in the same way.
Remember, Tolkien was really inventing the whole High Fantasy genre at the time (even though he didn't know it), so it was up to him to write the backstory, but he was clever by actually leaving out those parts, making the reader think and wonder about those things after they had already read the book. Then later, when he published the backstories, the demand in the minds of the readers to understand more about Hobbits or Elves was already there.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/17 00:51:10
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Ahhh, books inspired by Tolkien. The countless hours I've spent pouring over the Tolkien Encyclopedia and the Tolkien Bestiary - both by David Day. The lavish artwork inside and descriptions of everything Middle Earth / Undying Lands. Pure unbridled joy - I'll be ever thankful to John Ronald Reuel for sharing his vision with the world... Gotta admit Dave, your thread is seriously tempting me into parting with cash to GW (albeit through a third party like Wayland so it's a little less to painful). Or maybe I just need to put some paint to my Weathertop set and build Weathertop itself... Maybe, just maybe...
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2013/01/17 14:59:24
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They are stupidly expensive, but I'm completely sick of everything GW is putting out for 40k lately, so I'm going this direction. I'm also really enjoying rediscovering Tolkien's world, and getting geeky with it
BTW, if anyone has the LOTR Blu-ray extended editions, check out the appendicies discs and the making of discs..absolutely phenomenal stuff on there! Including the most amazing filming miniatures, set building, art design, and so much more.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/17 18:41:15
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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I have the blurays, but never bothered to watch the making of stuff. I ought to.
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2013/01/17 18:50:20
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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dsteingass wrote:Anyways..Back to Tolkien...The introduction pages to the Fellowship of the Ring book tells the story of how he wrote parts, then WW2 happened, and then he sort of went back and re-wrote the entire LOTR story from back to front. For instance, I LOVE Dan Abnett, but I just can't get through any of his non-GW universe books. He does amazingly well within (and expanding on) the pre-fab 40k universe, but Embedded..not so much IMHO. He is very clever with the way he tells a story, then later goes back and tells backstory to fill in the blanks. But in Embedded, he is forced to tell the entire story of the universe that way, so it's difficult for me to get into in the same way.
Remember, Tolkien was really inventing the whole High Fantasy genre at the time (even though he didn't know it), so it was up to him to write the backstory, but he was clever by actually leaving out those parts, making the reader think and wonder about those things after they had already read the book. Then later, when he published the backstories, the demand in the minds of the readers to understand more about Hobbits or Elves was already there.
completely agree to everything (especially Abnett)
dsteingass wrote:BTW, if anyone has the LOTR Blu-ray extended editions, check out the appendicies discs and the making of discs..absolutely phenomenal stuff on there! Including the most amazing filming miniatures, set building, art design, and so much more.
definitely, can't wait for the behind-the-scenes and extended editions of the hobbit (I'm a sucker for camaraderie, and PJ tends to attract it like a magnet )
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2013/01/17 19:04:15
Subject: Re:Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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I thought I subbed this! No matter, that has been fixed.
Looking good so far, and with the machine-like progress I've come to expect from you.
I imagine it will take you about a week to finish the 13,876 Goblins you'll need for the Goblin Cave.
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2013/01/17 19:07:08
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Haha...I think I figured out why my heroes look funny, it's because I followed GW's advice and primed black. It made me realize that I much prefer white primer, colors just look better, and paint up faster for some reason. The goblins will be primed white and should paint up much quicker than the dwarves and the 72 colors GW recommends for each one Automatically Appended Next Post: I haven't been able to paint for 2 nights now, the upcoming long weekend should give me plenty of time to slop some more paint on. The last 10 Dwarves have most of their basecoats on now, but they all have their colors they wear, so batch painting doesn't really work, and there really isn't much to show you yet.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/17 19:11:13
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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Viktor von Domm wrote:is boston that stiff? It used to be... they banned Disney's Pinnocchio here for crying out loud... It got to be a kind of running joke from what I understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_in_Boston
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2013/01/17 19:13:49
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ahhh, America, land of the morally-superior, shoving it down everyone else's throat!
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/17 19:36:30
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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dsteingass wrote:Ahhh, America, land of the morally-superior, shoving it down everyone else's throat!
apparently it has also become known as "the Streisand effect..."
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Link to my Index Thread here on dakka
Find me on Twitter Sam Butler @Rivet_Zone
Winner "Best 40k Table" Daboyz GT 2010,2011
"Sic Vis Pachem Parabellum" - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus
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2013/01/17 19:50:13
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hmm..all of these articles reference churches and religions for some strange reason
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/17 20:30:46
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i had a naughty thought cross my mind it was due to pinnocchios nose... and it´s enlarging when he is lying...
yeah... puritans... you can´t live with them and without them...er...on second thought... what would life be without them... full of freedom maybe? the nerve....
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2013/01/18 03:06:26
Subject: Dave's new Middle Earth Adventure thread
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I now have blueprints of Bag End, and that DVD special features disc I was talking about will soon provide me with many screenshots of the filming miniatures AND sets! They can't stop me now!
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/18 13:00:58
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Blue prints of Bag End you say. ... oooo. interesting
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2013/01/18 13:17:13
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Well, floorplans (several different versions), and architectural relief drawings of various elements from my wonderful book. What I really need to do is plan how I will build the removable hill roof.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/18 13:22:08
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I get the feeling you're really going to do it. Now I am really interested in seeing how you do Bag End.
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2013/01/18 13:44:39
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I can't wait to see how I do it either!
I think I'll go with the Hobbit movie layout, the pantries and kitchen were redesigned to be closer to one another for the Interaction needed by the script, and besides, I have many more full color references. The set for LOTR didn't extend much past the pantry, parlour, and kitchen and dining room. Although the Dining room wasn't seen on film in LOTR, so they redesigned it for the 13 Dwarves in the Hobbit.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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2013/01/18 14:24:44
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You know, i'm finding this almost palpable air of excitement and ideas leading up to the project just as interesting and fulfilling as actual models! :-) I can feel the hum of the league telling their partners and work they can't leave the computer 'just in case Dave posts models!'
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2013/01/18 16:20:30
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Can't wait to see bag end
also, my hobbit art and design book said it should have arrived 2 days ago, and it hasn't even been dispatched yet :(
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JB: I like the concept of a free Shrike roaming through the treetops of the jungle. I'm not sure that I like the idea of a real Shrike sitting on my couch eating my Skittles.
corpsesarefun: Thank god I missed be nice to shrike day.
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2013/01/18 18:31:25
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I've ordered books from the UK before, for some reason they take forever to ship www.bookdepository.co. uk is the worst!
This will be a long-term project, not done anytime soon. Hell, I just now figured out the proper size for a Hobbit door is 30mm
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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