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I believe pre-orders usually go up midnight GMT, with an difference of an hour depending on whether if Daylight Saving Time is in effect in the UK.

So in approximately 9 hours from the time of this post.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Kroothawk, I think the Collectors Ed. also contains "Warzone Armageddon" (you can see a couple blurbs about it in the photos but no real details other than it has rules for the Third War for Armageddon).

You are right, two warzone files: Pandorax and Armageddon. But I think, both are included in the standard Apocalypse rulebook, here as separate "secret files" for style.

Odd thing I noted from a quick flick through the new issue.

During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.

No, the Pandorax campaign (GK, DA and CSM) is not included in the default Apocalypse book, but they hint that it will be available later through other means, but not for a few months at least. The Armageddon campaign is included though.

 reds8n wrote:
Odd thing I noted from a quick flick through the new issue.

During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.

Wait what? Now that's just silly and a lot of effort. What if you aren't playing on a RoB board? Put police tape and a sign that says "this table does not exist" on the missing section?

I changed my mind about the skulldozer, the more of it you see, the worse it looks.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Odd thing I noted from a quick flick through the new issue.

During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.

Wait what? Now that's just silly and a lot of effort. What if you aren't playing on a RoB board? Put police tape and a sign that says "this table does not exist" on the missing section?

You're allowed to play Warhammer on something Other than a Realm of Battle board? GW never told me that!

It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.

 White Ninja wrote:
It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.

Nothing that duct tape or a marker can't fix

 White Ninja wrote:
It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.

Technically, it says don't use if not using a RoB board or similarly constructed table.

 Redemption wrote:
I believe the Armageddon campaign is included in the regular Apocalypse book as well. The Collector's Edition rulebook is basically just split into several smaller books. The Pandorax campaign is currently collector's edition only, with a note that it will be available several months later for non-collectors.

quoted for truth.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 White Ninja wrote:
It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.

Technically, it says don't use if not using a RoB board or similarly constructed table.

And by "Similarly Constructed" they must mean a table that can't be measured off into 2' x 2' sections? Come on, we measure off sections of the table every game for deployment, it's not like we can't do it during play. I know they want to sell their tables, but that's going a little too far.

From Natfka

Grey Knight Extermination Force
Consists of 3 Stormravens and a Dreadknight
The Dreadknight marks the target, and the Stormravens automatically hit it

Wraithknight Dreamwalker Squad
Consists of 3 Wraithknights or More?
They become energized by the more Wraithknights in the formation, becoming more accurate with shooting and in close combat, also increases to movement and charging.

Apoc Formations.

 reds8n wrote:
During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.

That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.

That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.

Yeah, recent events probably have conspired to make this fear very true.

 pretre wrote:
From Natfka - Apoc Formations.

2 more:

Dread Mob (Orks)
Consists of at least two Ork Deff Dreads, and 6 Killa Cans. Some Randomness involved as the formation can give the group extra bonus's to close combat, shooting, give it a kustom force field, and sometimes combine the effects

The Lost and the Damned (Chaos Space Marines)
It infiltrates, ignores pain, massive bonus's to assault, and destroyed units within the formation can be brought back to fight some more. 6 units of 10 cultists and a Dark Apostle make up this formation.

Edit: also, new teaser:

I'm looking forward to this release. I'm slightly disappointed about the lack of new big kits.

At this point I actually prefer the Khorne superheavy to the new Necron kit. Roll on midnight.

HBMC brings up a valid concern. Are they going to remove rules for Warlords and Imperator titans? Or the Plaguebearer SHV?

It will be interesting what all is in the book. For 74.75 it better be a damned lot!

You could just taken an axe to your table and hack off a 2x2 section?

Actually, to me, that's only slightly removed from the mentality of spending £200 on a 'collectors edition' of the book.. it's managed to make the price of the Forge World Horus Heresy book seem reasonable by comparison.

 BlueDagger wrote:
+1 cool points to anyone that convert this up as a Khone Lord of Skulls



$49 on ebay, so $110 left over to grimdark it up and reprogram the voice box to say "Blood for the Blood God!"

I can't help but feel that GW have gone too far with this latest release..

Guys, just a thought. There might be new models being released that are not under GW. It's infrequent that we have leaks about Forgeworld releases. Remember, this is Apocalypse. So we might very well see an Imperator model in this release. They've been building up - from the Warhound to the Reaver, and the Phantom and Revenant titans.

Yknow, considering how many recent 40k releases seem to have Tonka equivalents, it kind of has me wondering...

That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.

Same here. APOC is my favorite way to play. I'm already pissed I have to buy new templates...and that has soured me somewhat to this release. I loved the scratch built uber laser in the original APOC and all the cool scratch built tables. I would be sad face if all the tables had a "canned" or "out of the box" look to it. The new APOC Batrep definitely felt that way.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.

Same here. APOC is my favorite way to play. I'm already pissed I have to buy new templates...and that has soured me somewhat to this release. I loved the scratch built uber laser in the original APOC and all the cool scratch built tables. I would be sad face if all the tables had a "canned" or "out of the box" look to it. The new APOC Batrep definitely felt that way.

But if we've learned anything from the GW vs CH lawsuit, its that GW will not release another codex without having models from it. They don't want to let a second rate third party fill in their gaps. Its better to hold off on getting the codex updated so they can ensure they have filled 100% of the models in their new book. Hence the reason we didn't have any substantial updates for a year and a half or so and they are all coming out now.

 Enigwolf wrote:
Guys, just a thought. There might be new models being released that are not under GW. It's infrequent that we have leaks about Forgeworld releases. Remember, this is Apocalypse. So we might very well see an Imperator model in this release. They've been building up - from the Warhound to the Reaver, and the Phantom and Revenant titans.

We get infrequent leaks about FW because they actually tell us what they're going to be releasing in good time.

That said, if they were going cross company, they wouldn't be able to spill without ruining GWs super special secret squirrel club, so its something to hope for I guess.

Won't be an Imperator though, Warlord maybe, but not Imperator.

boyd wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.

Same here. APOC is my favorite way to play. I'm already pissed I have to buy new templates...and that has soured me somewhat to this release. I loved the scratch built uber laser in the original APOC and all the cool scratch built tables. I would be sad face if all the tables had a "canned" or "out of the box" look to it. The new APOC Batrep definitely felt that way.

But if we've learned anything from the GW vs CH lawsuit, its that GW will not release another codex without having models from it. They don't want to let a second rate third party fill in their gaps. Its better to hold off on getting the codex updated so they can ensure they have filled 100% of the models in their new book. Hence the reason we didn't have any substantial updates for a year and a half or so and they are all coming out now.

Forgeworld. There could be new Apoc units being released by Forgeworld.


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 azreal13 wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
Guys, just a thought. There might be new models being released that are not under GW. It's infrequent that we have leaks about Forgeworld releases. Remember, this is Apocalypse. So we might very well see an Imperator model in this release. They've been building up - from the Warhound to the Reaver, and the Phantom and Revenant titans.

We get infrequent leaks about FW because they actually tell us what they're going to be releasing in good time.

That said, if they were going cross company, they wouldn't be able to spill without ruining GWs super special secret squirrel club, so its something to hope for I guess.

Won't be an Imperator though, Warlord maybe, but not Imperator.

FW is under GW. It's not a different company.

FW may not actually be a different company but a lot of the time it is effectively a different company.

Yeah FW may as well be a different company as they have actually been releasing models that actually look good...LOL.

I'd be surprised if fw tied in any releases with this, as they've already sent out 1 new release notification today - a minotaurs contemptor. Wouldn't have thought that they'd do 2 separate new release announcements in the same day

 kitch102 wrote:
I'd be surprised if fw tied in any releases with this, as they've already sent out 1 new release notification today - a minotaurs contemptor. Wouldn't have thought that they'd do 2 separate new release announcements in the same day

It may be down the line. You never know. Look at the majority of the Apoc-only units. Guess who produces them? That's right. Forge World.

Absolutely, I'm not saying it'll never happen, just that I doubt it'll be announced today in line with any gw direct new releases