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 throwoff wrote:
Grimdark adamantium depleted uranium poisoned buckshot

Each pellet hand-carved by an Adept of the Mechanicum into the shape of a tiny skull.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 throwoff wrote:
Grimdark adamantium depleted uranium poisoned buckshot

Each pellet hand-carved by an Adept of the Mechanicum into the shape of a tiny skull.

3) SoB exorcist tanks. I know it's themed but really gw? An organ? Atleast try to make it look like a weapon please...Nope, ok fine then. I'm strapping chaos havoc launchers to a rhino till you do. On a side note: the penitent engine and by extention dread knight. As stated before they look like baby carriers. No armored behemoth of war should ever have their pilot just hanging there waiting for a guardsman to shine a laser pointer in their eye so long they go blind...

The "pilot" of a Penitent Engine is not intended to survive the engagement... the PE is a device of punishment, not reward.

5. What real armies ever used a skull as a symbol and weren't the super evil SS?

Uh... it's... the Imperium. Um... maybe you should sit down... I'm afraid I have some bad news...

 Furyou Miko wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
mmmmm you know heroic scale is smaller heads......right?

Uh, no. Heroic scale is why Space Marine and Sister of Battle heads are the same size as Space Marine and Sister of Battle helmets.

throwoff wrote:
Marine shotguns - not only hideous but why do they fire solid slugs.. I mean come on buckshot against nids would be more effective!!

Hurricaine bolters - the same ones on land raider crusaders are as powerful on those attached to centurion suits...

You're kidding, right? Buckshot would increase the 'nids armour save from 5+ to 4+. Buckshot does not penetrate well.

In fact, the only reason it's called Buckshot is because 'Duckshot' sounds less manly. Buckshot is only really used for hunting birds.

As for Hurricane Bolters, you do realise that the Hurricane Bolter is literally a battlefield jury-rig (originally) made by linking six regular Godwyn-pattern bolters to a single mount and trigger, right?

Heroic scale is when you measure a human out. The average person is 8 heads tall to 8 and a half. Where as heroic scale ie. what the famous artist draw/scult is 9 heads tall.

So to give them a better look they are exactly 9 heads from the gound to the top of their head. This is a well known thing of art........... maybe your thinking of chibi or some other form?

oh here is the linky http://www.webcomicalliance.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/prop_var.gif

Oh and someone did use a skull before... pirates, They do fly around in ships.....so a flag of war of a skull and cross bones seems...right. Plus why not use a skull if I came home and said look I killed a moose I got his rib bone everyone would go pig bone and walk away. Need a skull damnit

The proportioning of GW's models does not fit traditional Heroic Scale. This is why the Guardsmen have huge heads and hands, and yet are not quite as tall as a Space Marine... and most SM figs are actually only 5 1/2 heads tall. Check out the FC Reclusiarch. His head is half the size of his torso.

 Psienesis wrote:
The proportioning of GW's models does not fit traditional Heroic Scale. This is why the Guardsmen have huge heads and hands, and yet are not quite as tall as a Space Marine.

So they are not heroic they are normal sized just everyone is the same size rather then making a base model for them to all go off of. They said they are 28mm ie. the models are around 28mm they never claimed them to be 1/48 scale or anything....... so kind of a moot point to complain about. Unless all models are scaled to 1 set of determinants then all should be based around the same size for price equality and such.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The proportioning of GW's models does not fit traditional Heroic Scale. This is why the Guardsmen have huge heads and hands, and yet are not quite as tall as a Space Marine.

So they are not heroic they are normal sized just everyone is the same size rather then making a base model for them to all go off of. They said they are 28mm ie. the models are around 28mm they never claimed them to be 1/48 scale or anything....... so kind of a moot point to complain about. Unless all models are scaled to 1 set of determinants then all should be based around the same size for price equality and such.

They're not even close to normal size. I just measured a Cadian Sergeant... he's 4.2 heads tall.

But I've never heard the term "heroic scale" refer to anything other than miniatures with extra large heads/hands/weapons.

1) Orks
2) Orks
3) Orks
4) Orks
5) Some SW stuff I am not fond off, the sled is especially stupid

1) Necron vehicles having drivers. They are mindless robots, why would they need actual drivers...

2) The new Resin FO with a hunchback.

3) That SM with a fat baby angel.

4) Taurox.

5) Regular SoB troopers with heads that look like We can find a better way to express this sentiment yes ? Thanks. reds8n

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The proportioning of GW's models does not fit traditional Heroic Scale. This is why the Guardsmen have huge heads and hands, and yet are not quite as tall as a Space Marine.

So they are not heroic they are normal sized just everyone is the same size rather then making a base model for them to all go off of. They said they are 28mm ie. the models are around 28mm they never claimed them to be 1/48 scale or anything....... so kind of a moot point to complain about. Unless all models are scaled to 1 set of determinants then all should be based around the same size for price equality and such.

They're not even close to normal size. I just measured a Cadian Sergeant... he's 4.2 heads tall.

But I've never heard the term "heroic scale" refer to anything other than miniatures with extra large heads/hands/weapons.

Ya most of games work shop models are broken down into 4's.: Top of head to chin, chin to wasit, waist to knee, knee to ground

Whatever it is, it looks hideous

-Wolf Chariot
-Flying Wolf Box
-Mordians
-Doomsday/ Ghost Ark
-Tomb Blades

 Sigvatr wrote:
1) Necron vehicles having drivers. They are mindless robots, why would they need actual drivers...

A couple of theories :

1) They have memories of what it was like to be organic, so they manually drive machines

2) They can't be arsed to install AIs everywhere.

What bothers me though isn't so much that there are pilots, it's that the pilot is always exposed.
I mean, they have mastery over time and space, yet still haven't worked out that a thick piece of metal covering the driver is a good idea?

First, several SEAL teams and blackwater/xe services/academi use a punisher skull in their insignia or on morale patches. I'm ok with a skull here and there for the imperium, I just want to know who their architects are and why they feel the need to incorporate skulls into every structure. My top 5

1. Logan clause and his sleigh. This model alone almost turned me off SW forever. If I bought one, it would be to sculpt a Santa hat and bag of presents for Logan, paint the whole thing red and white and display it around the house at xmas time as a joke. I could even paint a red nose on one of the wolves...

2. Murderfang. First we have the ridiculous name, weapon name and special rule name. It's like they had 2 hours before the white dwarf and boxes had to go to print so they just called everything some version of the word murder. Then you have his alien ice claws that never melt. Really? They jumped a whole ocean full of sharks on that one. His exposed head is pretty bad too.

3. Thunderwolf cavalry. Considering where the fenrisian wolves come from in the fluff, I doubt they would ride their wolf brothers around like kids at a petting zoo riding ponies for fun. The models seem out of place to me.

4. Dreadknight. Why is the pilot exposed?! You spend all that time and money building a giant suit of armor and the pilot rides on the outside of it? It's just ridiculous.

5. Taurox. Not only is it hideous, it performs as bad as it looks. The last time I played against someone using these, I popped 3 of them on the first turn. I didn't just strip the points, I blew all 3 of them up. They're ugly as hell, the design makes no sense and the weak armor makes them a death trap.

I would've included the stormfang and centurions but now that I've built those kits, I actually like them. When I saw the pictures, I had the same reaction as a lot of people on here. However, they were fun to build and paint. Now that they're finished, the more I look at them the more they grow on me.

Company Based:
1) That the people who love the game can make better stuff than the company that invented it.

2) That the company then turns on its avid fans and does everything to crush them rather than try to, I dunno, embrace some of their ideas and maybe bring in some clearly excellent sculptors into the fold.

3) The yearly price hike.

4) Lack of love for fan favorite armies in favor of tons of love for the next big expensive model/set.

5) A general inability to sculpt in anything resembling a natural scale.

Fluff Based:
1) Power weapons can cleave through armor with ease, regardless of armor in the fluff, but now it has an AP value?

2) Black Templars used to be a fierce fighting force, now they're a footnote.

3) Imperial Guard (I will NOT call them AM).

4) The IG are supposed to be the faceless billions of citizens of the Imperium, but they're all male? Is humanity the reverse Asari in 40k?

5) Most of the tanks and what not need a design update without a price hike. Personally, the Taurox wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't as tall as it is. I think if it were shorter and lower to the ground it wouldn't look so ridiculous.

Side note:

Forgemaster Argos wrote:

3.) Tyrannids should be more like the xenomorph species from the original Alien movies (before things went downhill in Alien 3); icky, sticky and truly terrifying... not purple.

Watch the unedited director's cut and the movie is completely different from the drek that was released in theatres.

I watched it hear recently and I swear, the movie was 100% better.

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:
Company Based:
1) That the people who love the game can make better stuff than the company that invented it.

2) That the company then turns on its avid fans and does everything to crush them rather than try to, I dunno, embrace some of their ideas and maybe bring in some clearly excellent sculptors into the fold.

3) The yearly price hike.

4) Lack of love for fan favorite armies in favor of tons of love for the next big expensive model/set.

5) A general inability to sculpt in anything resembling a natural scale.

Fluff Based:
1) Power weapons can cleave through armor with ease, regardless of armor in the fluff, but not it has an AP value?

2) Black Templars used to be a fierce fighting force, now they're a footnote.

3) Imperial Guard (I will NOT call them AM).

4) The IG are supposed to be the faceless billions of citizens of the Imperium, but they're all male? Is humanity the reverse Asari in 40k?

1) Power weapons do have an AP value though

2) Retcons ahoy!

3) See above

4) There are guardswomen in the fluff. They just aren't represented in the art or tabletop.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:
Company Based:
1) That the people who love the game can make better stuff than the company that invented it.

2) That the company then turns on its avid fans and does everything to crush them rather than try to, I dunno, embrace some of their ideas and maybe bring in some clearly excellent sculptors into the fold.

3) The yearly price hike.

4) Lack of love for fan favorite armies in favor of tons of love for the next big expensive model/set.

5) A general inability to sculpt in anything resembling a natural scale.

Fluff Based:
1) Power weapons can cleave through armor with ease, regardless of armor in the fluff, but not it has an AP value?

2) Black Templars used to be a fierce fighting force, now they're a footnote.

3) Imperial Guard (I will NOT call them AM).

4) The IG are supposed to be the faceless billions of citizens of the Imperium, but they're all male? Is humanity the reverse Asari in 40k?

1) Power weapons do have an AP value though

Sorry Typo.

I miss they days gone by when power weapons were to be feared for cutting a swathe through your forces because not everything had an invuln save.

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:
Company Based:
1) That the people who love the game can make better stuff than the company that invented it.

2) That the company then turns on its avid fans and does everything to crush them rather than try to, I dunno, embrace some of their ideas and maybe bring in some clearly excellent sculptors into the fold.

3) The yearly price hike.

4) Lack of love for fan favorite armies in favor of tons of love for the next big expensive model/set.

5) A general inability to sculpt in anything resembling a natural scale.

Fluff Based:
1) Power weapons can cleave through armor with ease, regardless of armor in the fluff, but not it has an AP value?

2) Black Templars used to be a fierce fighting force, now they're a footnote.

3) Imperial Guard (I will NOT call them AM).

4) The IG are supposed to be the faceless billions of citizens of the Imperium, but they're all male? Is humanity the reverse Asari in 40k?

1) Power weapons do have an AP value though

Sorry Typo.

I miss they days gone by when power weapons were to be feared for cutting a swathe through your forces because not everything had an invuln save.

Oh yeah, that was a hell of a change.
I do like how they introduced different types of power weapons, but I imagine it was very inconvenient for everyone who relied on power swords to deal with 2+ saves.

Glad veteran sergeant said it first:
Space wolves. They're ugly, they're stupid, they're hypocritical donkey-caves, and power armor mixes terribly with wild manes of hair. It works for whfb chaos marauders in little to no armor when they are supposed to be untamed. Space wolves are still marines and should have sense of decorum. I wish SW were removed from 40k.

Tau shoulder pads suck

Imperial guard infantry (except new Storm Troopers: those are the best GW models out there).

Lord of skulls on tractor body.

Not enough daemonette on sister sapphic action.

Catachans, not the artwork or the idea of them, the horrible huge-armed, slightly melted looking models.

Grey Knights, all of it. More marine than marine.

Chaos Marines, the current 'baroque' looking stuff (although the chosen from recent boxed set were much better), it's daft. I want less stuck on spikes and more eldritch terror.

Ethereals and space pope... We created a new high tech species, manga/tech/ranged and... and... urm... YEA! lets put a wizard in there with some bodyguards with spears!!!!!!

for my 5th, I'll echo the sentiment about 'bling'. Far too much clutter on the figures lately. The SM characters they released recently, covered in cherubs and skulls and toilet paper are a case in point.

 Dshrike wrote:

3.) Catachan: I could never quite get around why the Imperium would hold such a planet. On Arrakis, the Fremen prevailed there because of the universal need for melange. With Catachan, I just don't see why the Imperium habits it at all. It would seem that it would take more resources to sustain a large enough population to make dozens of regiments per year as opposed to simply getting soldiers elsewhere. Oh, and look at those muscles! Looks like GW was watching too much Rambo and not enough actually looking at natives that have thrived in dangerous jungle for generations.

good point. One would think that if Catachan produces so many good fighters, all those fighters would exterminate all the beasts and nasty plants.

the Fremen never tried to kill the worms, in part because they were gods and in part because

I built a Thanatar tonight.

I take back everything I said about gigantic stompy robots.

I'm in love now.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I wish SW were removed from 40k.

Yes while some of the new additions are rather...odd and completely unnecessary to add. SW are the only reason I have a SM army because I liked their aesthetic when I got into 40k in 3rd edition when their codex was a supplement to the SM codex.

Though for my dislikes (in no order)

-The Taurox, I can see where they got the inspiration from and I feel that they should have stayed with wheels and made it so it was no taller than a chimera

-the chest plates of the new plastic storm troopers, would have looked better with if they keeps with the look of the Kasrkin chest armor or the older stormtrooper chest armor

-the flying imperial boxes, there's little reason to have boxes flying in a planet atmosphere and they should stay in space where aerodynamics do not exists.

-Sculls on your Sculls so you can have Sculls decorating your Sculls.

-(edit) no female guardsmen, they should have the same ratio of male/female as the eldar guardian box sets.

Any others I have are more about GW itself which is the price increases on models that don't need it and the bad pricing all together where almost everything is priced higher than it needs to be. No plastic SoB because GW seems to only want to update the same plastic kits over and over.

I think a lot of people don't know what aesthetic means.

- Dark Angels, never liked them, the whole robed monk look doesn't work for me. Doesn't help I don't like heir background either.

- MkVII power armour, since the FW earlier mark armour came out I realised how much I don't like the plastic power armour kits.

- The older Chaos kits just look too bland compared to the newer stuff.

- Plastic Horrors and Daemonettes, just look crap compared to the old versions. This would probably be alleviated some if the old metals hadn't existed.

- Dreadnoughts. I hate Dreadnoughts. They're so static, and just look like a box on legs, they're awful. Contemptors though... Mmm.

Taurox - hate the look - will never own one

Dread Knight - as bad as the Taurox - will never own one

Centurions - horrible - will never own one

Tau Battle suits - just don't like them - like most other things - infantry, drones, vehicles but not the suits.

#1 Stupid skulls everywhere. Sometimes cool if its terrain like in one of the Terminator movies where the ground is covered in skulls and the terminators are walking over them. Stupid when people are wearing them all over their armor and all the buildings have them as decoration.

#2 Eldar cone heads.

#3 Silly decorations. Chaos terminators for example with their spikes that add a few feet to their height. How are these guys supposed to fight indoors or in a ship?

#4 Armor that makes no sense in its design

#5 Lack of aerodynamics in aircraft. Why are many of the leading edges which normally provide lift for aircraft instead blunt edges? There are no Imperial planes that are even remotely flyable. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to come up with rounding the edges to provide better lift thus getting better performance with minimal effort.

True, not quite aesthetic, but like others reminded me, I hate that there are so few female characters. The IG should be at least 1/3 female. (depending on planet I suppose.)
40k is too much a sausage fest even to the point of contradicting the fluff. There should also be more female Eldar and where are the female Tau?

1. Taurox. Every reason I have for hating this has already been said by others, but I'm going to say it again until the Universe itself wakes up and erases that model from existance: it is too tall, it does not fit in with the established IG vehicle aesthetic, four treads is stupid, the turret design/placement makes it look worse, drivers eat the engine exhaust while disembarking troops eat the hull-mounted hellgun fire.

2. Logan Claus. What the feth? What the actual fething feth? I can not conceive of how anyone, stoned or sober, could think that model was a good idea. GW *has* to be trolling us.

3. Eldar coneheads. Hey, GW? You know how you keep saying 40K and WHFB are no longer in the same universe? You know how you keep insisting that 40K isn't WHFB in spaaaace? We might believe you if you didn't force this thirty year old High Elf aesthetic feature onto your spess elves. And if you hadn't gone full Tomb Kings on the Necrons, but whatevs.

4. Fugly Daemons. Daemonettes in particular, but Bloodletters aren't winning any beauty contests, either. Daemonettes are supposed to be seductive? Then I guess those plastic crazy-hair anorexic transvestites aren't Daemonettes, because they couldn't seduce a sex addict with a hyperactive libido. Bring back the metal Daemonettes. I don't care how uncomfortable boobies make you, GW. You need to grow up a little. Girls don't have cooties. Especially not little plastic ones.

5. Every vehicle kit the Dark Angels got for 6th Edition. Look, Geedubs... we called the DA the "gay Catholics" as a joke. You know, because of that guy who wrote that poem, and all the confessors and rosaries and "arch traitor Luther" and so on. We did not mean "Make every vehicle a cathedral with tiny stained glass windows and angels".

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 throwoff wrote:
Grimdark adamantium depleted uranium poisoned buckshot

Each pellet hand-carved by an Adept of the Mechanicum into the shape of a tiny skull.

Best post I've read in a while.

Surely it cannot be that hard to add a lady torso to the sprue. They did it for Eldar, after all.

A female torso would be pretty much identical to a male one, though it would be nice if they added some bare headed females.