Keep in mind:
IYANDEN: A CODEX ELDAR SUPPLEMENT (39,00 €) and
IYANDEN CODEX SUPPLEMENT SPECIAL EDITION (65,00 €)
will be released 15th June, so 2 weeks later!
Some new rumours presumed to be taken from the actual Codex:
Spoiler:
Malthor here on Dakka wrote:Disclaimer: Please note my time with the book was limited and my knowledge of the old Eldar Codex is spotty at best, so please excuse any vagaries and misnamed rules Also, mods, if any of this gets too specific for Dakka, please tell me/edit my post accordingly.
Can't say about the Guardians, haven't looked at them really, sorry
I can tell you their Shuriken catapults are still 12", although with the new Bladestorm rule(rolls of 6 to wound always wound at AP 2, no effect on vehicles)
No squadrons in Heavy support(of course for Support batteries and War Walkers )
Wraithlord and Wraithknight are both HS. Wraithknights are S10, T8, W6, I5, A4, WS/BS 4
Monofilament rule is as follows:
All units shot with I of 3 or less(or no I value) are shot with S+1 , base strength is still 6. All to wound rolls of 6 are treated with AP 1.
Wraithguard:
Old gun is S10 AP2 now, pretty sure still 12", D-Scythes are S4 AP 2 Flamer, 6 to wound causes ID as before
Heavy D-Scythe of the Flyer is 18" small blast template.
D-Cannons on the Wraithknight are 24" S10, AP 2
Guardians:
90 pts for 10, storm guardians the same
DA:
5 for 65 pts. Exarch has 3+ Save, normal ones 4+
FOC:
As I saw beyond Spirit Seer making Wraith Guard troops nothing, no Phoenix Kings making some Aspect units scoring
On the matter of Phoenix kings, I believe someone said they lost EW, this is not true, they stil have it, and they all look pretty cool(for example Asurmen gets to pick D3 Warlord traits)
HQ:
Farseers start at ML 3 fo 100 pts with included Ghost helm(changed so that you can ignore Perils for expanding a Warp charge), ROW are gone, give a once per game 2+ DtW, another set of runes lets you reroll a Psychic test once per game
Warlocks are ML 1 psykers and can still go on jetbikes.
Absolutionis wrote: From the rule snippets, it looks like Warp Spiders are Jet Pack Infantry and not Jump Jet Infantry as before. I guess this makes them slower...
I believe they are able to jump farther with their Jetpack now at least, it's 6"+2D6" now, I believe with the old rule was only 2D6?
Autarchs can take different aspect Wargear, yes.
Banshees:
Still only AP 3, Banshee masks have changed, they reduce I by 5 now, to a minimum of 1(not sure if this was permanent or only first turn of charging)
Psychic powers:
The Warlock powers are very good, if you take a lot of them and you roll well you will make everyone cry:
- give/take Shrouding
- improve armor save of a friendly unit by 1, decrease the save of an enemy unit by 1
- give +/- 1 to WS/I
- give +/- 1 to S
- primaris is Doom
- run extra distance/enemy unit can't run
the other one I can't think of right now
Spirit seer:
If I remember correctly they had basically the same gear as Farseers
Miscalleaneous:
Scatter lasers have a rule that lets you shoot them first, if you hit all other weapons on the model are treated as twin-linked
Warwalkers now have a 5+ invul, but are treated as open vehicles
Fire prism has a (at least I believe so) new shot profile, a 60" S9 lance, Heavy 1
Eldar BS is now 4 across the board
Disarm Exarch power:
You roll against your opponent and get +1 if your WS is higher. If you roll higher than your opponent you get to chose a CC weapon he has and he cannot use it this turn and is treated as attacking with a normal CCW. This does not work against opponents with no weapons like a Trygon for example. This Exarch ability is for a Banshee exarch(Jain Zar has it too of course), autarch, and maybe the Avatar too, as he can get some Exarch skills.
Speaking of the Avatar, he nowhas one W more, is WS/BS 10, I believe his Ini got up to 10 now(if it wasn't before) but only a Daemon now, so only 5++, but maybe he could get the Exarch skill that gives you a 4++. His CC attacks are AP 1 and they expanded his immunity to fire to Soul Blaze and Pyromancy Psychic powers.
Illic Nightspears rules lets you infiltrate without range restrictions, no matter which unit he's with, so you could join him to a unit of Flamer Wraiths and have a nice little barbeque
Warlocks have restrictions which unit they can join, but I believe it was only Wraith units.
Wraithlord is still T8, S has gone down to 8 though, his sword is now S+1, Master crafted
Dark Reapers are SnP, can get Krak and Flakk missiles(i believe 10 or 15 pts for Krak and 10 for Flakk per model), the Exarch either has or can buy a Range finder which let's you ignore Jink saves.
The Swooping hawks grenade attack changes according to the unit size, at 5 it's a 3" S4 AP 4 blast, 6+ a Large blast, both ignore cover.
No special benefits/restrictions for allying with Dark Eldar.
Exarch powers are bought, not rolled for.
syranas here on Dakka wrote:Hi all,
I had a sneak preview at the codex and thought I'd drop some choice things in:
Distort weapons: instant death on 6's to wound and auto pen on 6's.
Wraithcannon: 12" S10, AP1
D-cannon: 24" S10, AP1, blase, barrage
Wraithknight Cannon: 36" S10 AP1
D-Scythe: Flamer, S4 AP5
Heavy D-Scythe: 18" S4, AP5, blast
Shuriken weapons: Bladestorm; wounds of 6's count as AP2. All other things stay same (strength, AP and sadly the range).
Fire Prism:
Has a new fire mode - lance: 60" S9 AP1 Lance, Heavy 1
Illic Nightspear (the ranger dude)
BS9 - all shots that hit are precision shots. Allows rangers to go from 12 points each to pathfinders for 25 points each. Pathfinders gain the all shots are precision shots rule.
Illic's sniper rifle is also AP2 with the Distort rule (pens on 6's, ID's on 6's).
Warlocks:
Warlocks are now psyker Mastery 1 and role on the psyker table. They are taken like a necron royal court and dished out to guardian/wraith units.
Wraithlord:
Is now S8, but stayed T8. The wraithsword (now Ghostglaive) gives +1 Strength and rerolls to hit.
Wraithknight:
240 points base. Can take dual wraithlances, a suncannon/shield or sword/shield. Comes with the lances as standard. S10, T8 with a 3+ save. Requires the shield to get an invuln.
Guardians are now WS/BS 4
Psychic powers:
Fortune is now 2 warp charges but allows rerolls to deny the witch
Doom now allows rerolls to armour pen as well.
One of the new dual powers is +1 to your armour save or -1 to your enemy (up to 2+ for your own units).
Enhance is now +1 WS AND Initiative, the debuff is -1 to both.
Mindwar is now 2 warp charges and drastically changed. Didnt get the full details.
Eldritch Storm is the same BUT is now haywire and fleshbane.
BIG new power - it's a little complicated and I didn't get the best read of it. Gives the caster +5WS +5BS +5 initiative and +2 attacks. Roll at the start of every subsequent turn. On a 4+ it stays in play. If the model dies or the power fades you cede a victory point.
Exarch powers:
There is now a pool of 6-8 exarch powers. The different aspects have access to 3 of the powers.
Powers include:
4+ invuln
3+ invuln in challenge
In a challenge both people roll a dice and add to their leadership; if the eldar player wins they can remove one of the opponents weapons from the fight. This means no AP or S bonus or additional attacks bonus!!!
Monster Hunter
Fast Shot remains
and a few more...
Dark Reapers can take flak missiles to be our AA...
Wraithfighter is a psyker mastery 1 and comes with the telepathy Terrify power.
Farseers are 3 wounds still and come standard as Mastery 3!!! Ghosthelms do what they did before; but if you fail your ghosthelm save you can spend 1 warp charge to ignore the wound (if you have charges left).
Aspect warriors are Ld9 base.
Souba over at BOLS wrote:believe me or not but i got the book, however i dont have much time right now so i leave a few things here:
eldar warlord traits:
1. one use only. in the own shooting or assault phase, the warlord and all allies within 12" reroll failed to wound rolls of 1.
2. one use only. in the enemys shooting phase. the warlord and all allies within 12" gain the stealth usr.
3. the warlord and his unit add +1 to their run movement (so d6 + 1)
4. the warlord rerolls failed saves of 1.
5. the warlord got the split fire usr 6. allied eldar units deepstriking within 6" around the warlord dont scatter.
exarch abilites. some are USR some are codex specific:
fear, monsterhunter, night vision, feel no pain, hit & run.
sniper vision : the exarch has precision shots on a 5+
iron resolve: the exarch has +1 LD
disarm: in a challenge before striking blows, the exarch player and the enemy both roll a d6. if the exarch player rolls equal or higher than the enemy the enemys weapon counts as a normal close combat weapon instead.
if the WS of the exarch is higher than the enemy, you add +1 to your D6 roll.
fire hail (may be spelled wrong i translate here): the exarch may fire his weapon 1 more time than normal. has no use on flamers.
assassin: in a challenge, the exarch and his enemy both roll a D6. if equal or higher the exarch may reroll failed to wound rolls. if the initiative of the exarch is higher than the opponents, he adds +1 to his roll.
shield of grace: in a challenge, instead of attacking the exarch has a 3+ invulnerable save.
battle luck : 4+ invul for the exarch
crushing blow : +1 S for the exarch.
whats interessting is : the avatar can get exarch powers. so pretty fun
army special rules :
old nemesis : hatred (daemons of slaanesh and enemys with the mark of slaanesh) also they have -1 on their LD when doing fear tests against daemons of slaanesh and enemys with the mark of slaanesh
battletrance: the unit may run and shoot or shoot and run. you have to run& shoot or shoot& run with each unit before you can move the next unit. models cannot run & shoot or shoot & run with heavy weapons unless they got the relentless special rule.
vehicle equipment:
mindbreaker: every enemy and friendly unit within 12" has to reroll passed lmorale and pinning tests.
ghostpath matrix: the vehicle gets the move through cover USR
holofield: the vehicle grants +1 on its cover save if it has moved.
forcefield : 5+ invul
crystal targeting matrix: one use only. the vehicle (except walkers) can fire a weapon at full BS even if it has moved with cruising speed.
soulstones: the vehicle ignores crew shaken on 2+ and crew stunned on 4+
serpent shield: as long as the shield is active, every penetrating hit on the front and side armor of a vehicle is a glance on a d6 roll of 2+
the shield may be deactivated to grant a following shooting attack :
60" s 7 ap - assault d6+1, ignores cover, pinning.
star engine: a vehicle that is no walker can move 24" with cruising speed. a walker runs +3"
vector engine: as long as the vehicle isnt immobilized, the vehicle can turn after shooting.
Powerguy wrote: Got a sneak peek of the White Dwarf today, managed to dig out some actual rules from the battle report, preview teasers and a couple of tiny pages from the codex that were printed in the WD that I managed to read. Not many stats on offer but still a reasonable chunk of rules. I'm probably mis-remembering the names of some of these rules but here is what I picked up in no particular order:
- From what I saw all the non Wraith infantry have the run/shoot shoot/run ability (the rule was called Battle something). Avengers definitely do (from the report) and Rangers definitely do (from tiny printed profile in the WD) as well. Not sure if its just for Shuriken weapons (Rangers do have Pistols I guess).
- It looks likes all Eldar have the 'Ancient Foe' special rule, no idea what this does but I suspect its something like Hatred Daemons of Slaneesh (don't think it was Necron related as the report was against Crons) since all Eldar appear to have it (including the Wraith units).
- There are 14 Eldar specific psychic powers from 2 different charts, Runes of Battle and Runes of Fate. However it looks like several of the powers are 2 in 1, i.e they have a buff mode and a debuff mode, so there are actually HEAPS of powers. I.e the Primaris for Battle is Conceal/Reveal (as a single card/roll etc), Conceal gives you Shrouded and Reveal removes Shrouded from an enemy. The 1 on the Battle Chart was Destructor/Renew(?), Destructor being the same as before with Soul Blaze added and Renew allowing you to restore a wound to a friendy model within range (18" I think). Primaris for Runes of Fate was Guide, which is now 24" range but is otherwise the exact same as before. Very surprising to see this as aside from the range it is far worse than the Divination Primaris (although I guess you could take both and effectively Guide two units). The 1 on the Fate Chart was a terrible Focuses Witchfire power. Fortune and Doom are still options (the Farseer in the report had them) and appear to have the same effects.
- The Avatar has Fleet. Also one of the psychic powers increases your movement speed/charge range somehow
- The Wraithknight is insanely huge, it is literally twice the height of a Wraithlord, and the sword option it can take is basically the size of a Wraithlord as well. It can take up to 2 Suncannons, which are S6 AP2 Heavy 3 Small Blast or up to 2 Wraithlances(?) which are presumably the heavy anti tank option. Sword replaces one of the big guns I think (they are arm mounted like the Titans). This is in addition to the two shoulder mounted heavy weapons (I saw Scatters and Starcannons, so presumably the normal range of heavy weapons are available)
- Wraithguard and Wraithblades look good, think scaled down Wraithlords. They looked a bit bigger than the old ones, but I think it was partly just the added range of motion in the poses on 40mm bases (similar to the old 25mm base Terminators vs the newer 40mm base ones, they are bigger but the better poses help as well). Wraithguard can now get either Wraithcannons (which from the fluff descriptions seemed to still be single shot and very powerful) or D Scythes which were described as a multi shot weapon but it could still Pen vehicles on a 6. Wraithblades are only 1A base (sadly) but looked like they could go either 2 CCW (no idea on stats of their weapons, but they appeared to have sword/axe options) or 1 CCW + Shield gen arm.
- Wraithguard are definitely S5 T6, Lord is almost certainly not T6 (a full unit of Destroyers shot one in the report and did nothing, which suggests T8 or some other equivalent buff). No idea on the stats for the Knight.
- It looks like Aspect Warriors have the same base profile, include Exarches with Ld9
- Reapers have Slow and Purposeful
- Rangers have WS4. They also have a character (not sure if he is upgrade or HQ) who has a 120" range Sniper Rifle.
- One of the fliers has 2 Heavy D Scythes on the wings and a psychic based main gun. The other has 2 Bright Lances and a Pulse Laser.
- Saw stats for what looked like special weapons for characters, might have been for Special Characters as well since the 120" range sniper was in there. One weapon was +2S, AP- Melee, Rending, Fleshbane, Instant Death. Another was +1S AP3, Soul Blaze, and if you killed anything with Soul Blaze then every unit within 6" of that unit would become effected by Soul Blaze as well. There was also a one use only piece of wargear, which you could use when the character died. On a 2+ you place a S4 AP3 template over the character, hitting both friend and foe, but if you cause at least 1 wound then the character stands back up with 1 wound. Last one I saw was an item which gave the user Fearless, Shrouded, Stealth and re-roll cover saves but they lose the IC rule, which gives people a way to make a Solitare (the name was something to do with the Laughing God).
Dark Reapers have Slow and Purposeful, Reaper Rangefinders (no word of what they do), and reaper launcher with [illegible] missiles. Not flakk missiles, whatever the word is, it's longer than "missiles" or "launcher".
Warp Spiders get Hit and Run and are Jet Pack Infantry, plus another special rule I can't make out.
Dire Avengers can take a Power Halberd on the Exarch. There is a small picture of it.
"Remnants of Glory" Wargear page:
S______ of Asuryan, a CC weapon with +? S, AP - and several special rules. Lines up with some stuff from earlier.
Fire Lance
The Spirit Armor? of Arath'La_ (wargear, no statline)
H______ Long Rifle, 120" range - this is NOT the sniper character's rifle, as another image says his weapon is called Voidbringer.
Mantle of the Laughing God
E/F______'s Hymn? (wargear, no statline)
The F______ C_____ (illegible, wargear with no statline, two big paragraphs of text)
On the splash page for Illic Nightblade, it says that "when Illic goes to war, Pathfinders from Alaitoc craftworld flock to join him". Sounds like he unlocks Pathfinders in some way to me. Maybe they are now Elite while regular Rangers remain Troops, and he moves them back? Pure speculation there.
(...)
Some Psychic Powers:
Destructor/Renewer, flamer/healing spell, Runes of Battle
Conceal/Reveal, Runes of Battle primaris power
Executioner, Runes of Fate (no second power)
Guide, Runes of Fate primaris power
Not exactly sure how much rules detail is allowed here, so I'll leave it out for now, but those four cards are completely and clearly legible if you dig the images up.
So it looks like the Runes of Battle powers are the Warlock powers but with an additional, reversed aspect to them, and the Runes of Fate are the Farseer powers, and are single powers. The only question is what the charts will look like (both Destructor and Executioner are the first non-primaris power).
Sithicus the Ancient over at Dark City wrote:There are also some neat artefacts in there, like the shard of a blade of Vaul that is +2S and Rending, gives the wielder Fearless and in a challenge wounds on 2+ with Instant Death. Or the wing of Faolchu that, if I read it correctly, gives 48" (!!!) run in the shooting phase, but the model cannot do anything else that turn. Or the 120" sniper rifle, which, despite the massive range and AP3, is still Heavy 1, which makes it somewhat silly, as it still wounds on 4+.
(...)
Runes of Warding:
Now adds +2 to your deny the witch role. Well if this is true what a huge difference we will see to the game. No longer will people be able to ally in a cheap anti-psyker that completely ruins your opponents chances of casting. Expect to see a rise in Monstrous creature heavy builds as well as tzeentch&aofc;horrors. The rune priest will firmly become King of the anti psyker.
Ancient Doom:
Eldar models suffer -1LD to all fear tests against daemons of slaanesh but pick up hatred against such units. Could the Fear rule actually become useful for once
Holo Fields:
hmmm vehicles that move with this upgrade gaining an additional point onto their cover save is nice and would bring this old favourite back onto the battlefield for sure...
Targetter Weapons:
A new type of weapon system for the eldar added to Scatter lasers amongst others. A model fires this weapon first and if it causes at least one hit, then other weapons fired by the same model become twin linked! Warwalkers just got ouchy, and without the need for guide! How would you use this one?
Sorry, could find the original source for this:
deathmagiks wrote: Found this on Warseer. Have not seen it here yet. THESE ARE JUST RUMORS:
-You can make Run moves in addition to shooting Shuriken weapons.
-Shuriken weapons have a rule which makes them ignore armor on a to-wound roll of a 6-- similar to rending, but it's not actually the Rending rule.
-The Wraithknight starts at about 250 points and caps around 350, and towers over even the Tau Riptide. It's 9'' tall. The Wraithknight has the ability for its weapons to become twin-linked if it hits with a scatter laser it comes equipped with, even against airborne targets. It can shoot S9 and 10 small blasts, and has a total of four weapons on it-- you have a choice of several, including a huge wraithblade and a lance weapon.
- Wraithguard are cheaper both points-wise and financially speaking, and are now S5 and T6, and have the option to be equipped with Wraithblades as per the current Codex's in place of their guns, making them a dangerous close combat unit.
- Including a Spiritseer as a HQ choice allows you to bring Wraithguard as Troops.
- Expect Guardians to supplant Dire Avengers as the staple Troops choice-- they're very points efficient and with the buff to shuriken weapons, they should expect to be in a lot of competitive armies.
-The Fire Prism has been nerfed a bit-- basically, they want to drive people back towards Aspect Warrior and Wraith-heavy armies, rather than the mechanized Eldar army literally everyone and their brother played with the exact same list. Can't really say to what extent, but the purchasing advice was to "Not load up on them."
-The Avatar is "Definitely better."
-The Iyanden supplement is not a splash release, and will be normally available. Iyanden is strictly a fluff book, and contains no game rules. The rules to play a themed Iyanden army are found completely in Codex: Eldar. This is a move to appease people who want more fluff in books as well as people who would rather just have more game content with the fluff optional. This is an experiment in seeing how this works-- if it does well, expect Games Workshop to continue with the release of "chapter-specific" fluff supplements for their Codex releases.
Raziel over at /tg/ wrote: i got a information sheet in my hands that all GW stores have been send to.
it containis "reasons to buy the new eldar releases"
the points are :
Codex Eldar :
- craftworld ships will be introduced
- new special rules for many eldar units. old nemesis (slaanesh) and battle trance (running and shooting)
-multiple exarch abilitys, options and equipment
Wraithknight (heavy support 240 points)
-Strong Profile (s10 T8 W6 AS 3+, Jumppack
- 2 heavy phantom lasers (23" S10 AP 2 instant death on wound rolls of 6)
- alternative equipment possible - for example close combat weapons with a 5+ invul and blind special rule or a S6 5" Blast with ap 2. with 5+ invul and blind special rule.
Somach Phantomhunter (may be spelled wrongly my pic is a bit blurry there) (fast attack 185 points)
-psyker with the terrify psychic power
- 2 blast weapons with ap 2
- enemy units within 12" have to reroll succesful ld tests.
crimson hunters (fast attack 160 points)
- aspect warriors with strong exarch upgrades
- may reroll armor pen rolls against flyers
-vector dancer
wraithguard /wraithblades (elite 160 points 5 models):
- strong profile with S5 T 6 as 3+
-wraithblades got 2 close combat weapons with ap 3 and +1 S or can get a 4+ invul with a single ap 2 weapon
-runeseer can mark targets, every wraith unit can reroll missed to hit rolls of 1 against marked targets.
-if you select a runeseer as HQ, they become troops
ilic nightspear (hq 140 points):
-alaitoc charactermodel that allows ranger units the pathfinder upgrade.
- has 9 special rules - one of them allows ranger units to infiltrate without the range restrictions to enemy units.
- bs 9 48" Sx ap 2 instant death on wound rolls of 6
"Fire Dragon WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 5 A 1
Fire Dragon Exarch WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 6 A 1
Wargear:
Heavy Aspect Armor (3+)
Fusion Gun
Melta Bombs
Special Rules:
Ancient Doom
Battle Focus
Fleet
- 5 Dragons 110 points
Options
up to 5 more at 22/model
1 Exarch upgrade 10
Exarch may take Dragon's Breath Flamer for free or Firepike 15pts
Exarch may take up to two of the following exarch powers:
Iron Resolve 5pts
Crushing Blow 10pts
Fast Shot 10pts
May use a Wave Serpent as a Dedicated Transport.
So, Fire Dragons pick up a 3+ save, but jumped up in price by 6 points a head."
New pics from China and posted here by wana10:
Wraithblades:
Wraithguard guns:
Crimson Hunter in Nightshade Interceptor:
Wraithfighter
Spiritseer:
Illic Nightspear:
Wraightknight with 2 ranged weapons:
Release list posted by pizzaguardian here on Dakka:
Warhammer 40000: Codex Eldar 104 page full colour, hardback Warhammer 40,000 Codex
Contains New Artwork, Background and rules whilst showcasing the fantastic miniature range
Eldar Wraithknight This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes one Eldar Wraithknight, this completely new Walker stands a massive 9 inches tall and can be constructed with a variety of armaments to fulfill a range of battlefield roles.
Eldar Hemlock Wraithfighter/ Crimson Hunter This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Hemlock Wraithfighter or a Crimson Hunter, both new Eldar Flyers. The Hemlock Wraithfighter is a Psychicly armed bomber designer to cause havoc among enemy troops while the Crimson Hunter is an all new aspect warrior class whom excel at aerial combat.
Eldar Wraithguard/Wraithblades This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either 5 Wraithguards previously only available in metal or 5 Wraithblades, a new type of deadly close combat warrior.
Eldar Farseer A plastic Clamp pack containing 1 Eldar Hero in a dynamic mid-casting posse.
Reformatted Eldar Battle Force Contains 10 Eldar Guardians and a Heavy Weapon Platform, 5 Dire Avengers (including the option of making an Exarch), a Wave Serpent and a Vyper Jetbike
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
New Finecast Releases
Illic Nightspear· A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Edgar Ramos. Illic Nightspear is an outcast who has become an deadly assassin armed with the sniper rifle Voidbringer.
Eldar Spiritseer A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature sculpted by Mike Fores. Armed with a Witch Staff and spirit stone wearing a distinctive eyeless helm.
Available While Stocks Last. These Items are highly limited, please request the quantity you require and we will supply you as close to this number as we can.
Psychic Cards: Eldar· This pack contains 14 reference cards that describe the effects of each of the Primaris Powers and the the six psychic powers available to each area of mastery
Prices, as posted by Mohoc (Euro-prices official):
Eldar Codex - $49.50 / 39€
Eldar LE Codex - $100 / 80€
WH40K PSYCHIC POWERS: ELDAR ENG - $7.50 / 6€
Farseer - $20 / 15€
Wraithknight - $115 / 90€
Wraithguard - $50 / 40€
Hemlock Wraithfighter - $65 / 50€
Dire Avengers (5 pack) - $35 / 26€
Battleforce - $115 / 95€
Windrider Jetbike Squadron - $40 / 30€
Spiritseer - $19.25 / 15.50€
Illic Nightspear - $19.25 / 15.50€
IYANDEN: A CODEX ELDAR SUPPLEMENT - $49.50 / 39€ (English only, mail order only, but not limited, release 15th June!)
IYANDEN CODEX SUPPLEMENT SPECIAL EDITION - $85 / 65€ (release 15th June!)
Jetbikes confirmed to be a repackage of the old ones. Lets hope for a second wave.
megatrons2nd over at Warseer wrote:One of my local guys said that what he heard for the Iyanden book is it has rules for attacking a Craftworld.
Commissar Merces over at Warseer wrote:Just got off the phone with a friend who is somewhat in the know. He says that the supplement book is more like crusade of fire mixed with some of the fantasy background books than it is chapter approved. Said it was cool but not worth the price tag.
Said there is some confusion about the Wraithknight as it says walker in white dwarf but is said to not be a walker. But did say wraith guard are nerfed but aspect warriors got a shot in the arm.
First two WD pics leaked. Shows Wraith Knight, Codex cover, WD cover with Eldar flyer plus an Iyanden supplement (the latter ATM only confirmed to be a digital release, we will see).
Here a photoshopped comparison pic with Riptide:
Here blurry flyer pic taken from WD cover:
Cover photo:
Very large original pics in spoiler tags:
Spoiler:
Most of the info here is rather old and speculative, but here a pic posted over at faeit212:
Larger version:
anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:Eldar are indeed coming.
Path system has been revamped. Autarchs take paths that are now fixed in point cost (before they became more expensive the more you took) but do not make their aspect troops.
Instead it allows corresponding aspects to be taken as compulsory troops.
Ergo, the Path of the Striking Scorpions would allow you to take up to two striking scorpions as troops.
If you also took the path of Swooping Hawks you could take up to two Swooping Hawks as troops or one and one.
Guardians are a lot cheaper and have more options for special weapons.
New transport for dire avengers / weapon platform (with no transport capacity).
And lots of new goodies.
If tau are the long range shooting army, eldar are a mix with potential units in short, mid and long range
Long range comes almost exclusively from heavy support, however so you need to create a mix it seems.
Aspects are still hyper focused and saw a very small decrease in points except fire dragons.
Been informed there are some Eldar boxes floating around warehouses. How long they get sat on before a codex is released though, who knows. I'm going to guess around a year off. We know CSM are next and then Dark Angels with the Hobbit crashing into scenes December, that could push DA back to early 2013. So mid 2013 is the likely bet for Eldar is something doesn't shove them out of the way.
Here's what I've been told re: boxes. No rules.
plastic Warpspiders/Everguard
plastic Skycharriots/Shining Spears
plastic Phantomwaechter - these might be the shadow spectres?
plastic Jetbikes
plastic Wraithguard/Cataphracts
plastic flyer combi-kit - The flyer is pretty large and has a crossbow shape, two canopies, one fin. The main variant on the cover has some lances and a large dorsal distort cannon. The other variant has extra downward/sideway thrusters, but I don’t remember if it has a different weapon loadout.
plastic phoenix lord niadhau - For Shining Spears, appears to be on a Vyper jetbike.
plastic webway gate
resin box Avatar
resin Black Warden - The Black Warden looks like an female Autarch. She has a shurikencatapult and a feathered guardian helm with an eye on it.
resin Dire Avenger Xentarch - Appears to be a new English name for Exarch?
resin Howling Banshee Xentarch
resin Fire Dragon Xentarch
resin Striking Scorpion Xentarch
resin box Dragon Riders
resin box Eldritch Raiders - They look like guardians but have no helms and wear scarfs around the lower head and swashbuckle belts. They are very individually equipped, have all sorts blades, pistols and/or rifles. (potentially Storm Guardians?)
resin box Halcones Cazadores
resin Warlock
Have at it!
So it is an unknown source claiming to have seen boxes of a release that is maybe a year in the future.
Still, speculating about this release (including Exodites and plastic Wraith Guard) may be entertaining
Demiurg over at Warseer posted this:
Hi,
Just got some info from my regional distributor. He claims the next wave of flyers is close. So perhaps no CSM after all.
(...)
Tau, Eldar and the Tyranid Harpy
Update 25th July:
dorantana wrote:Okay guys, got some extra details on the earlier Eldar rumors, specifically artwork and what everything looks like. Still no rules. Looks like the Xentarchs are indeed Exarchs, whether they are special Exarch's or just new remodelling is to be seen. We've also got names nailed down a bit more from translations.
With the recent release of the end of this year's schedule looking like Chaos and Dark Angels getting done, we might see Eldar landing early Q1 2013. This would be very much appreciated. Depending who writes it!
Anyway, details below!
Eldar Warpspiders/Everguard 5 per box
Spiders: whole squad looks like the old exarch, no huge weapon, helmets smaller, but same shape, wrist blades, two small spinner weapons on rod mount from the back. Spider web like straps on the chest that hold the backpack (doesn’t look as broad as the old version), running, jumping and slightly cowering poses, exarch has extra pair of weapons on the cover, don’t remember the back pictures
Everguard: aspect warrior body with runes on the chest, same collar as warpspiders but no mandible arcs and gas masks, different more warlock-like face plate and small arc at back of the head, double bladed two-handed spears, very dynamic models, jets from the side/underside of the backpack, squad leader has larger head-arc, mantle hangs over the backpack, flies in the wind
Eldar Sky Charriots/Shining Spears
3 per box, look like small vypers, slightly larger than jetbikes. Two parts: an engine part with jetbike-like canopy but in the shape of a dragon, owl and hawk head, sideway jets, and a distinct winged chariot part, parts are connected by arcs.
Riders either warlocks but arms are not robed, spear, sword and staff; or shining spear aspect warriors with lances, shining spears have smooth canopies with gems instead animal heads, helms look very cylon-like, have collar-like shoulderguards
Eldar Jetbikes
3 per box, the same pose as dark eldar jetbike, guardian riders with smaller helmets or bareheaded with lots of flying hair (80s heavy metal mane) and without backpack, vyper-esque smooth canopy, jet and wings have the same design as a falcon grav tank, underslung twin shuriken catapults and/or serpent-shaped bladehooks, some riders have axes with a hole in the blade
Eldar Dragon Riders
3 per box, very slender lizard mounts not unlike slaanesh steeds, all female rider, no helmets, long braids, guardian armor without backpack, all have shining spear lances, sabres and/or sniper rifles as sidearms, the armor has no decoration, not even gems or small bubbles, only exception is a gem that holds a cloak that falls to the left side of the rider, very simplistic look, not aztec or tribal at all
Eldar Wraithguard/Cataphracts
3 per box, look like old versions but have two rods for upper arms and thighs instead of just one, some have feet, some hooves, large fins at the back
Cataphracts: float/fly, fluttering cloth pieces instead of legs, wing-shaped shields and spears, segmented/armored head
Eldar Swooping Hawks
5 per box, larger wings, not so stiff and two-dimensional, several straps of clothes from the loin, wrists and ankles, model stand on these straps, both shoulder plates have inbuilt missile racks, Exarch has two shoulder-mounted blasters and a scimitar in one hand and two optional rifles, one is the same as the old exarch had, the other is a small star cannon
The Avatar of the Young King
Completely new design, much smaller, only as large as a wraithguard, set of aspect armour where every piece is spread out and connected by a body of magma, looks like an fire/earth elemental clad in a suit of armour, dire avenger helm with fire from the eyes and half burnt helm crest, floats and torso pose looks like vader during his Noooo scream, hands are armored, blood is dripping from the left, the right is molten and transformed into a blade
Eldar Warlock
fits the current warlocks but sharper robe edges, hadouken pose but with staff in two hands
Eldar Spirit Warrior
wraithlord-war walker mix, trygon base, running bird legs with hooves, huge scaled torso, a dozen poles extend from the back (like wraithlord but three times as much), left forearm replaced with massive lance, right hand holds extra handle on lance shaft or a three pronged swastika blade. Lower back, left shoulder and part of the left arm are concealed by an impressive cloak, head is surrounded by scaled armour plating, large gem at the front, doesn’t bend upward towards the end but downward, whole model leans forward, chest can be opened, female pilot inside
Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart
nuadhua holds lance upright, one end on the ground, points with axe on something, shining spear helm with tail of hair, layered armour like dark eldar-armour but with smooth curves, can be placed on vyper-variant, looks very similar to a vyper, canopy more segmented and wings in falcon-style, one large jet engine, chariot platform on the back, two large pennants
Eldar Webway Gate
Two arcs that almost touch each other at the top, whole construct has hazelnut shape, pyramidal platform with oval basis, several destroyed columns, front columns are intact and carry swooping hawk and dark reaper statues, whole model is covered with thorn-twines (seems to be optional)
Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch
holds two handed samurai sword downwards, two wrist-mounted shuriken catapults, banner, 99% that the phoenix on it is modeled on, one foot stands on a rock with an owl next to it, all armour plates are bedecked with a rune pattern, don’t know if this is only painted on
Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch
golfer pose, bends forwards and slashs upwards with a sabre, stretches other arm straight into the air, holds tri-swatiska, has snakes woven into her hair
Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch
jumps forwards, holds two short but thick chainswords in front, back of armour has backbone-like element that looks like a scorpion tail, continued on the helmet and ends in a sting, stands on ornamented plate with roots on it
Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch
knees almost, holds very long pike with two hands ready to fire, huge cluster of grenades on his back and his belt, helm ends in a dragon head
Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber & Eldar Black Warden plastic flyer combi-kit - The flyer is pretty large and has a crossbow shape, two canopies, one fin. The main variant on the cover has some lances and a large dorsal distort cannon. The other variant has extra downward/sideway thrusters
Update 11th August:
Eldar from the leaked list (Hastings later said that the list is a fake, but didn't rule out some things to be true):
- The Avatar of Khaine (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Wraithguard / Cataphracts (Plastic Box)
- Eldar Sky Chariots / Shining Spears (Plastic Vehicle squadron box)
- Eldar Warpspiders / Everguard (Plastic Box)
- Eldar Black Warden (Resin Blister)
- Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister (Resin Blister, produced in China)
- Eldar Eldritch Raiders (Plastic Box)
- Eldar Webway Gate (Terrain, Plastic, large Land Raider sized Box)
- Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper (Plastic, Vyper sized Box)
- Eldar Spirit Warrior (Plastic, large Land Raider sized Box) !
- Eldar Dragon Riders (Plastic Vehicle squadron box)
- Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- The Avatar of the Young King (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber (Plastic, large Land Raider sized Box)
- Eldar Jetbikes (Plastic Vehicle squadron box)
- Eldar Warlock with Force Staff (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Swooping Hawks (Resin Blister)
And, as part of the Allies Supplement release:
- Harlequin Solitaire (Resin Blister)
Update 17th August:
evilmonkee wrote:Also saw the release list for hte next year - a big Ork wave with the long awaited Buggies and Koptas as well as plastic Meganobz/Flashgitz!! Eldar as well with a whole plethora of stuff..but my source said expect those nxt year.
Scans of the WD September also confirm an Eldar Finecast wave including Maugham Ra, Karandras and Yriel.
Update 5th November
Small update by an anonymous source on Warseer:
Hi,
the translation of the next eldar codex has started (or so it seems)...
All plastic minis stay the same for the moment including jetbikes
Wraithguards will be plastic with a HtH option (swords)
A new Farseer model (finecast iirc)
a character for Dire Avengers, a new entry "something-seer"
That's all I got for the moment!
Update March:
Here some anonymous email received by natfka, so take these rumours with the usual extra precautions:
A couple notes that you might find interesting:
As of 03/01/2013
- Autarchs take Paths. These represent completed paths they have walked and are tied to the various aspects. By taking a path you make the respective aspect warrior a troop choice (the exception are reapers who just become scoring)
- Overall point cost reduction (guardians see it the most, aspect warriors see it the least, but are instead a fair margin better with only a minor cost decrease for two of the schools).
- new special rule that influence how howling banshees interact in combat. It's current iteration really makes them feel like glass cannons that are amazing at what they're designed to do.
-Seer councils have brotherhood of psykers (the farseers still cast their own abilities in addition, but two farseers together cast more than 2 farseers separately)
- in general, aspect warriors are hyper focused and hyper successful if used properly
- No new aspect
- 2 new flyers
- lots of units get access to skyfire
- new tank (on falcon chasis)
- Avatar is buffed a lot
- Two new special characters
- exarchs are all really good in duels in different ways
- farseers are still awesome psykers
- warlocks improve deny the witch.
- falcon/wave serpent point reduction
- way to make some of the craftworld specific lists
- additional rules for allying with dark eldar
- expanded fluff on the war in heaven
From an anonymous email to Darnok over at Warseer:
Every 3-4 months, as an independent retailer, we get a list of items that must be stocked. These are changed in advanced so we don't order old stock, and to give us a change to sell off old stock before new items turn up. The last one in about October / November added a few basic Marine items but dropped Tau Battlesuits, which would tie in with concepts of new battlesuits and new Tau for Spring / Easter.
Yesterday I got the new list, which had a lot of changes in the Fantasy sections. I no longer have to stock High Elves Spearmen, Wood Elves, Bret Knights or Dwarf Warriors. It can therefore be reasonably speculated that these core troop choices will be relaunched in the next 6 - 8 months. The only change in 40k was I no longer have to stock any Eldar (not even DA or Guardians).
I know its not radical or ground breaking and gives no specific dates, but the Bret / Wood /Dwarf news I think is a bit new.
Larry Vela over at BOLS wrote:-New Eldar "large tank" is being worked on (not the same as the new falcon variant)
-Guardian/Storm Guardian combo plastic box
-Guardian jetbikes/Shining Spear combo box
75hastings69 wrote:Eldar, new flier, characters and a new uber wraith guard thingy.
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Hastings, thanks for your rumours, any chance we will see updated jetbikes for the Eldar release and/or plastic Wraithguard?
Yes.
So are Eldar Flyer, Jetbikes, Wraithguard and Uber Wraithguard Thingy? Or are the Wraithguard and the Uber Wraithguard Thingy the same thing?
Not the same thing, there's a huge wraith guard construct type thing (similar to tau) IIRC it has two builds (shooty & cc), also IIRC the actual wraith guard have some kind of CC build option.
Eldritch raiders are prince yuriels (sp totally wrong, shoot me) corsairs, maybe more corsair possibilities in the new codex?
Also shining spears lord, yay! Also, aren't the everguard some form of webway guardians? Swear I've heard of them before somewhere EDIT: They seem to have no fluff or mention, but are pictured on page 12 of the eldar codex in the annotated picture of biel-tan. They appear to be wraiths (or wear wraith-like helmets) with cloaks and spears. Cool!
All in all, awesomesauce!
At least they aren't remaking Banshees/Scorpions/Reapers for the millionth time and actually giving love to the Spiders. Hope Hawks get in on the fun too.
I'm hoping they have the same beauty as the FW set. The corsairs may be an interesting swing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And its GW. They're not going to rerelease items as much. I think we'll see a forward movement with fluff as they need to make people buy new models with new rules.
H.B.M.C. wrote:18 releases in one go (20 if you include the Codex and a new Battleforce)? I'll believe it when I see it.
I believe it, GW has changed policy fully supporting in short order after a codex release to limit opportunity of third party miniatures designers like Chapterhouse.
For all its many faults GW has no shortage of size to do large scale releases like this.
Whoa - so they did . . . I had CSM in 2nd, Necrons for 3rd, didn't play 4th, Deathwing/Nob Bikers for 5th - and have apparently settled for Eldar in 6th ed. I'll have to do some more research....
AgeOfEgos wrote:So they have plan on having product sit in a warehouse for the next year? That would be a tad strange.
If you were to believe other rumors, GW apparently has all of the models for the next Tau release completed, possibly the codex as well. Frankly, it's not that odd of a business strategy. Think of it on these terms: GW has to pace their releases so they can maintain a schedule of releasing products at a constant rate, with little interruption. GW is a relatively small company with limited resources, so they can't continuously pump out full lines year round for long. They need time to develop each release. Sometimes they get ahead, and can have product sitting in a warehouse, waiting for its release. Sometimes they get behind, so the release schedule might need to get shifted, thus having an entire release on standby in a warehouse allows for a contingency plan with minimal scrambling for a solution. I wouldn't be surprised if GW has one or two fully completed product releases sitting in their main warehouse at any given time, with one or two other releases in production, and another one or two in development.
You can also look at it from another standpoint: if GW were to release everything as they completed it, they wouldn't be able to upsell the latest product for long, and the consumer would be flooded with many, many choices. While we might complain as gamers that our favorite army only gets love every few years (l know I'm ready for a new Tau release), GW actually gets more sales through promoting the latest and greatest release. Remember...it's not the veterans they're mainly targeting...it's the new players they want to reel in, because they know the vets will snatch up product regardless.
Kroothawk wrote:
resin Black Warden - The Black Warden looks like an female Autarch. She has a shurikencatapult and a feathered guardian helm with an eye on it.
This would tempt me back toward Eldar for a 4th time if true.
New plastics and some sort of webway gate thingamy, probably for some sort of deepstrike rules? GIVE GIVE GIVE! The perfect alies force, adds something to both my forces and is fluffy (Fighting a battle against the odds and suddenly an Eldar force turn up to defend the webway gate)
The webway gate is quite a good idea if guardians don't change, they would be a tempting target for assault units, until a unit of banshees or something jumps them from the gate
If this is true, then I can finally paint my Nadhua FireHeart conversion from years ago. The model is sitting on the shelf, next to me, in its primer white.
Hope they bring in Iyanna Irienal with a Wraithseer for Iyanden.
Am hoping that the Xentarh either is a translation thing or the new name for Phoenix Lords. It would be irritating if they did a complete/massive repurposing of the Aspects.
lord_blackfang wrote:It's absolutely bonkers to waste warehouse space on stock that won't be released for another year.
Not really - you can't say that if you don't know:
a) How much space this is taking up,
b) How much warehouse space they have in total.
What they could be doing is gradually building up stock of a new range over several months by 'squeezing in' production runs in between other, higher priority runs. This also gives GW the option of saving money on later shipping and distribution by using these products to 'top up' any free space on shipping containers that may otherwise go unused. It takes many months to properly distribute a global product ready for launch - intercontinental shipping can easily take between 1 and 3 months to arrive and that's before you add the time to produce enough to meet demand.
It might be that the rumoured warehouse in question only has the first batches of these new products with many more to produce before they're ready for general sale.
It could also be a complete fabrication of course
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H.B.M.C. wrote:18 releases in one go (20 if you include the Codex and a new Battleforce)? I'll believe it when I see it.
Necrons got about 20 releases over a ~6 month window, and DE weren't far off that. Granted they had far more holes to fill in, but alot of this Eldar stuff is replacing what will be 20-year-old scuplts by the time they're released. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.
If only 40k held interest still, I'd pick up the new stuff to add to the stuff I plan on stripping and repainting for the umpteenth time. ASM's for 7th ed
Look at the date on the dakkajet transfer sheets they are from last year so a good indication that the product was ready at least 6 months before release
Ah man, that kinda sucks... I need Wraithguard for a tourny in December, that means I'll have to buy metal only for them to be replaced ~6 months later by newer, likely better and mroe interesting, plastic sculpts.
Crap sitting in a warehouse for a year alreay finished and waiting on a release fits right in with that news from open day where they said that they couldn't release everything as fast as people wanted because that might result in all the books being released with 2 years to go before the next edition. Heaven forbid.
Dragon Riders sounds like Exodite units to me. Unless they rewrite the background (impossible, as we all know the fluff is sacrosa- HAHAHAHAHAHA! I almost said that without laughing) then that means Exodite rules, as Maiden World Eldar don't really leave. They certainly don't take their "dragons" with them.
Nagashek wrote:Crap sitting in a warehouse for a year alreay finished and waiting on a release fits right in with that news from open day where they said that they couldn't release everything as fast as people wanted because that might result in all the books being released with 2 years to go before the next edition. Heaven forbid.
Dragon Riders sounds like Exodite units to me. Unless they rewrite the background (impossible, as we all know the fluff is sacrosa- HAHAHAHAHAHA! I almost said that without laughing) then that means Exodite rules, as Maiden World Eldar don't really leave. They certainly don't take their "dragons" with them.
Yeah, but, you know - Swooping Hawks aren't really birds, and Warp Spiders aren't arachnids. It's probably just a name.
This sounds great if not a little excessive, 20 Releases in one month does feel like a hell of a lot.
Still, this gives the impression a full re-work has been done with new units and new options. If true I'll be very excited to see a new dex.
Do not believe they have the kits in box's in storage for up to a year. This policy sounds madness. I know GWHQ in Nottingham is big but by those accounts they have stock piles of kits living around for a year prior to distribution. That's insane. If they are already in warehouses I would expect an earlier release date then currently speculated.
htj wrote:Yeah, but, you know - Swooping Hawks aren't really birds, and Warp Spiders aren't arachnids. It's probably just a name.
Yes, but Eldar already have Fire Dragons. If it was "just another aspect" they'd name it something else, unless the new Eldar book is going to be all about Wraithlords with Dragon Fists, skimmers armed with Dragonlances, and Phoenix Fighters with Dragon Strike Missles...
htj wrote:Yeah, but, you know - Swooping Hawks aren't really birds, and Warp Spiders aren't arachnids. It's probably just a name.
Yes, but Eldar already have Fire Dragons. If it was "just another aspect" they'd name it something else, unless the new Eldar book is going to be all about Wraithlords with Dragon Fists, skimmers armed with Dragonlances, and Phoenix Fighters with Dragon Strike Missles...
Mantle wrote:The webway gate is quite a good idea if guardians don't change, they would be a tempting target for assault units, until a unit of banshees or something jumps them from the gate
And stands there looking silly, unable to assault, as the guardians get reamed.
Unless the Webway gate over-rides the no assault from reserve rule, and judging by the fact the Webway Portal doesn't...
adamsouza wrote:I'd be happy with plastic Wraithguard and a new codex.
I dont play Eldar, or even 40k, but Id be all over some plastic Wraithguard. Ive always wanted to pick some up for other games, but the cost of the metal ones has made it a no.
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kitch102 wrote:Ah man, that kinda sucks... I need Wraithguard for a tourny in December, that means I'll have to buy metal only for them to be replaced ~6 months later by newer, likely better and mroe interesting, plastic sculpts.
Hate it when that happens.
Sulk.
So buy them, use them, then sell them. Use the $$ for the plastics when they come out.
OR quit feeding into the GW system of tricking customers into buying things twice. Make a list for the tourney that doesnt require
wraithguard.
If they take the time on Wraithguard I'll be happy with a new plastic box. If they still keep only two mediocre sculpts and charge 50 bucks for three I probably will pass and find a cheap conversion option.
Personally I'm not looking forward to this in the slightest. I have 9-10k pts of non-apoc eldar, so having to buy $300 of new shinies to be worth a damn gets a little old.
BlueDagger wrote:Personally I'm not looking forward to this in the slightest. I have 9-10k pts of non-apoc eldar, so having to buy $300 of new shinies to be worth a damn gets a little old.
You might want to hold out judgement. Generally, people with good collections do the best when codex changes / edition changes show up. For example, the new SW codex led to me not having to buy very much when it came out since I already had a diverse collection.
Looking forward to the new models. I have a really hard time believing they've got so much warehoused tho. In the day and age of smartphones I have a really hard time with the fact that no one can sneak in a picture every now and again. Make no mistake I want the rumors to be true, but they're 90% BS.
That flyer is so extensively described that that if it gets released in an upcoming new flyer wave it'll put some real credability on the OPs thread/post.
- DE congrats go buy new stuff
- GK, congrats go buy new stuff
- Necrons, congrats go buy a whole new army
- CSM, seems so far congrats go buy new stuff
I have no doubt in my mind that when it comes to eldar, the new stuff will outshine the stuff we currently have. Not to mention the 7 million Eldar bandwagoners.
- DE congrats go buy new stuff
- GK, congrats go buy new stuff
- Necrons, congrats go buy a whole new army
- CSM, seems so far congrats go buy new stuff
I have no doubt in my mind that when it comes to eldar, the new stuff will outshine the stuff we currently have. Not to mention the 7 million Eldar bandwagoners.
DE were able to use their current minis except Venoms and Flyers, if you already had a diverse collection, you were fine. If you wanted new shiny sculpts of the old minis, you were screwed.
GK were largely able to use their old minis. If you wanted new shiny (stormravens, DK and new sculpts), you were screwed.
Necrons, agreed. But their army was hella old and out of date.
CSM, so far it sounds like flyer is going to be the only really new thing. The rest sound like a diverse collection will be able to use what they have or convert existing to the new types.
Eldar, sounds like resculpts and repacks of older models for the most part. IF you want the new shiny sculpts, you will buy more, if not you'll be able to use most of what you have with a little conversion.
Here's a thought. What if Xentarch were the eldar title for their Phoenix Lords...I've been yowling for new PL sculpts for about five years now. And to me I don't see them packaging their exarchs away from their aspects. I'd be on board with some new PL sculpts....but if they've had these in storage and are keeping them for another year then I think it's time to get a black ops team together.
Careful, There is a good chance that they will be just as expensive as the pewter ones. With the way GW has priced some stuff lately, I could see them charging 45-50 U.S. dollaes for a box of 3.
To me, the good news about the wraithguard is that if they are being done in plastic then their will most likely be greater access to them as troops in the next 'dex.
MightyGodzilla wrote:Here's a thought. What if Xentarch were the eldar title for their Phoenix Lords...I've been yowling for new PL sculpts for about five years now. And to me I don't see them packaging their exarchs away from their aspects. I'd be on board with some new PL sculpts....but if they've had these in storage and are keeping them for another year then I think it's time to get a black ops team together.
Captain Avatar suggested the exact same thing on the first page. I am inclined to agree. Though, I think most if not all will be the same models just redone in Finecost. The only Pheonix Lord I could see getting resculpted would be Jain Zair.
IMO< We are more likely, we will see a new Avatar sculpt, a new transport/flyer, one new unit, maybe a new PL for the Spiders to go along wth the one for the Shining Spears and finally add in new non-aspect SC. Everything else will just be repackaging and finecast.
I think Wraithguard will be increased in size. That'll make more people want to buy them for a unified collection, and will make it harder for people to say "Price Rise!" because the kit is entirely different.
DE congrats go buy new stuff - - GK, congrats go buy new stuff - Necrons, congrats go buy a whole new army - CSM, seems so far congrats go buy new stuff
I have no doubt in my mind that when it comes to eldar, the new stuff will outshine the stuff we currently have. Not to mention the 7 million Eldar bandwagoners.
People were actually scrambling for my old GK minis when I put them up for sale.
They all came outfitted with halberds and the storm bolters looked better. The old Termies are a little harder to use, but I prefer the old PAGKs.
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Mantle wrote:I would really hope for some plastic rangers, for more poses but also for plenty of conversion opportunities
Not likely since they just put them out in Finecast. Regardless of your opinion on the medium, they haven't put anything out in plastic that was already released in finecast.
Very neat rumor. Il have to dust off my eldar for the flyer coming out. also i will shelf my imperials if theirs exodite/ corsair goodies in store for us.
lonedrow02 wrote:Very neat rumor. Il have to dust off my eldar for the flyer coming out. also i will shelf my imperials if theirs exodite/ corsair goodies in store for us.
I would believe exodites, probably not corsairs except a character or two like Yriel since they were the subject of IA11....
lonedrow02 wrote:Very neat rumor. Il have to dust off my eldar for the flyer coming out. also i will shelf my imperials if theirs exodite/ corsair goodies in store for us.
I would believe exodites, probably not corsairs except a character or two like Yriel since they were the subject of IA11....
Your very right! i forgot about IA11. epic titan battles...
Thunderfrog wrote:
Not likely since they just put them out in Finecast. Regardless of your opinion on the medium, they haven't put anything out in plastic that was already released in finecast.
That's not correct. The metal hive tyrant went finecast last year before the plastic kit was released this February.
Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.
This is awesome!! Though the wait could very well kill me
Plastic Spiders will be pretty sweet and I'm gonna have to dig my old codex out for that Niadhu guy - wasn't he an old Siam Hann character?
Also checked the original link and that Phantomwaechter-ma-bob has now changed to "Some sort of Dreadnought-like construct potentially larger than a Wraithlord"
No word on psychic powers though - will be hoping that maybe Eldar get their own pack if thats how they wanna do it these days
Ah well as long as this flyer wave does include the Eldar i'll be happy enough - btw I know WD was apparently pushed back so when were we due to get it?
I was assuming next week but pffffft if I ever keep track of time
Fayric wrote:Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.
While this is an early rumour we're looking at, I note that there's no mention of an updated Dire Avenger kit, for example. Additionally, there's no reason to change the name of the Exarch to Xentarch. I would hazard a guess: one-per-army Exarch upgrade with extra juicy options? Think "Eldar Snikrot". Possibly the Xentarchs might be used in a HQ Court unit. A third possibility is that they've got new Eldar Shenanigans on the way, though I personally think Exarch upgrades is more likely.
On the off Xentarchs are really Exarchs and they're really getting single resins, I'd like to say that it would really be nice if all of the exarchs had all of their weapon choices available....spinnerets rifles, sunrifles, web o skulls, etc.
Triskele and Web of Skulls share nothing in common. Web of Skulls is sadly (thankfully?) gone. But there are a lot of items missing in the different kits. We're straying off topic, though.
Fayric wrote:Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.
While this is an early rumour we're looking at, I note that there's no mention of an updated Dire Avenger kit, for example. Additionally, there's no reason to change the name of the Exarch to Xentarch. I would hazard a guess: one-per-army Exarch upgrade with extra juicy options? Think "Eldar Snikrot". Possibly the Xentarchs might be used in a HQ Court unit. A third possibility is that they've got new Eldar Shenanigans on the way, though I personally think Exarch upgrades is more likely.
This might require a background re-write to make sense. Exarchs are already the literal embodiment of their aspect path, Eldar who are so obsessed they've let their entire personality get subsumed by the goal of perfecting their warrior aspect and can never break away to be anything else, ever again. To break out a new guy who is "That, only better" would be ridiculous. Though sadly in keeping with the way GW writes their fluff these days.
Fayric wrote:Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.
While this is an early rumour we're looking at, I note that there's no mention of an updated Dire Avenger kit, for example. Additionally, there's no reason to change the name of the Exarch to Xentarch. I would hazard a guess: one-per-army Exarch upgrade with extra juicy options? Think "Eldar Snikrot". Possibly the Xentarchs might be used in a HQ Court unit. A third possibility is that they've got new Eldar Shenanigans on the way, though I personally think Exarch upgrades is more likely.
This might require a background re-write to make sense. Exarchs are already the literal embodiment of their aspect path, Eldar who are so obsessed they've let their entire personality get subsumed by the goal of perfecting their warrior aspect and can never break away to be anything else, ever again. To break out a new guy who is "That, only better" would be ridiculous. Though sadly in keeping with the way GW writes their fluff these days.
No you could squeeze it in. Exarchs are the guardian of the shrine of their aspect on each craftworld. You make Xentarch some sort of wondering exarch who has left his shrine behind and dedicated himself to engaging in perpetual war, seeking it out whenever possible.
Not currently in the fluff, but fits without upsetting anything
Or make them an uber exarch who can take a unit of exarchs ....damn, channelling Ward again :(
I'm excited about the rumors, but it will really depend on who's writing the book. If it's certain writers my wife will probably sell her Eldar and quit 40k, or just use the old book and units in home games.
Or simply give Eldar back their Exarchs but with a new name, and then implementing a new, lower, form of exarchy which is what we've had to deal with the past decades since 3rd edition gave the two-finger to the fluff regarding Exarchs.
Based on the past HQ - special troops pattern, Xentarchs are probably special HQ choices which allow you to take their particular Shrine figures as a troops choice.
I sort of find this one annoying:
plastic phoenix lord niadhau - For Shining Spears, appears to be on a Vyper jetbike.
Used to be he was just some guy from Saim-Hann. Got a promotion to a phoenix lord and they are doing plastic for him. Would much rather see a metal/finecast version of him and make a plastic box of harlequins or one of the other aspect warriors.
AgeOfEgos wrote:So they have plan on having product sit in a warehouse for the next year? That would be a tad strange.
If you were to believe other rumors, GW apparently has all of the models for the next Tau release completed, possibly the codex as well. Frankly, it's not that odd of a business strategy. Think of it on these terms: GW has to pace their releases so they can maintain a schedule of releasing products at a constant rate, with little interruption. GW is a relatively small company with limited resources, so they can't continuously pump out full lines year round for long. They need time to develop each release. Sometimes they get ahead, and can have product sitting in a warehouse, waiting for its release. Sometimes they get behind, so the release schedule might need to get shifted, thus having an entire release on standby in a warehouse allows for a contingency plan with minimal scrambling for a solution. I wouldn't be surprised if GW has one or two fully completed product releases sitting in their main warehouse at any given time, with one or two other releases in production, and another one or two in development.
You can also look at it from another standpoint: if GW were to release everything as they completed it, they wouldn't be able to upsell the latest product for long, and the consumer would be flooded with many, many choices. While we might complain as gamers that our favorite army only gets love every few years (l know I'm ready for a new Tau release), GW actually gets more sales through promoting the latest and greatest release. Remember...it's not the veterans they're mainly targeting...it's the new players they want to reel in, because they know the vets will snatch up product regardless.
That goes against every lean principle of manufacturing known. Who is going to sit on inventory, paying taxes on it, and risking that all that stock proves unpopular?
Sean_OBrien wrote:Based on the past HQ - special troops pattern, Xentarchs are probably special HQ choices which allow you to take their particular Shrine figures as a troops choice.
Isn't it far more likely that Xentarchs or whatever is just a mistranslation and that they are the finecast releases of the phoenix lords? The whole original rumour is riddled with doubling up and mistranslation.
Consider this:
1) That would be far too many original sculpts for a release compared to what we are used to.
2) The exact aspects that have a phoenix lord are getting Xentarchs in Resin
3) All the phoenix lords are currently metal, it makes sense that they would be finecasted at this point.
4) There is no reason for something between an exarch and a phoenix lord to exist, either in fluff or on the table. I just wish the phoenix lords became upgrade characters for their squads.
There is no way they will all be redone. Again, there is too many of them and they are all apparently coming all at once. They are amazing sculpts anyway, they aren't diminutive like the warlocks or other old sculpts. I really hoped one day we would see a kit for warlocks, but it seems from the rumour all the plastics are new things or the equally overdue wraithguard.
BlackRaven1987!! wrote:Whatever happens it is about time eldar got some love and can't wait to see new sculpts of phoenix lords always imagined them more epic looking.
I sincerely doubt we'll get new sculpts of Phoenix Lords. GW is curiously reluctant to update ancient special characters.
Eldarguy88 wrote:Isn't it far more likely that Xentarchs or whatever is just a mistranslation and that they are the finecast releases of the phoenix lords? The whole original rumour is riddled with doubling up and mistranslation.
If it were all of the Phoenix Lords - sure. But it skips on Baharroth and Maugan Ra. The ones which are getting the Xentarch treatment are pretty good options for troops conversion (fairly standard ground pounders with specialties). The aspects which are left out are ones which don't fit well with the troops concept.
Like I said - it makes sense. All the current armies have HQ choices which allow you to move Elites over to Troops choices and the like. They will likely do something like that for the Eldar as well. It could be done with the Phoenix Lords - but a Phoenix Lord is specifically mentioned as a Phoenix Lord (granted it is a new one). Also, if it were simply an update of the old models into resin - they would likely be available for preorder or online already if they have been seen in the warehouse. There isn't an advantage to sitting on boxes of finecast Phoenix Lords when they could be selling them at a premium price for a reduced cost when compared to the metal figures. Since they wouldn't actually be new figures - they would not have the big hype that new figures get (or be held back for Codex release schedules).
can't wait to see new sculpts of phoenix lords always imagined them more epic looking.
What would indicate new sculpts even if they were going to be Finecast? The vast majority of finecast figures are the exact same figures as the metal ones created from the exact same masters that the metal molds are made from. It would be neat if GW would actually do some new sculpts - but I don't seem them changing anytime soon.
Anyway, about Xentarchs being special HQ with possibilities to take aspect troops -wouldnt it be easier to just give those abilities to the Phoenix lords?
Now, Im more with the theory that Xentartchs are mistranslated phoenix lords. Sounds possitively sacreligious to rename Exarchs.
Also, resin Eldrich Raiders makes me wonder- what role in the army could they possibly play? Weak, fast, sneaky raiders with lots of attacks and some melta equipment perhaps. Wait, what did the harlequins do already?
I don't know what UK tax law is like, but in the US a company would never keep product in its warehouse for over a year without releasing it. In the US, a company must pay taxes on their saleable assets at the end of every business year. Those taxes can be substantial (~20% of the claimed value). That's in addition to any other warehousing costs.
This is one of the primary motivations for the adoption of "just in time" inventorying practices.
That's also why companies often have major clearance sales at a regular point in the calendar year -- reducing their inventory so that they don't have to pay taxes on it.
Of course, if UK law doesn't have a tax like this, the point is moot.
I am more interested in seeing plastic Wraith Guard. I've been wanting to start an Iyanden army since about 98 and the only thing holding me back was the lack of plastic troops.
the_dunner wrote:I don't know what UK tax law is like, but in the US a company would never keep product in its warehouse for over a year without releasing it. In the US, a company must pay taxes on their saleable assets at the end of every business year. Those taxes can be substantial (~20% of the claimed value). That's in addition to any other warehousing costs.
This is one of the primary motivations for the adoption of "just in time" inventorying practices.
That's also why companies often have major clearance sales at a regular point in the calendar year -- reducing their inventory so that they don't have to pay taxes on it.
Of course, if UK law doesn't have a tax like this, the point is moot.
Not true for every business. For the most part, the company has sunk costs into producing these miniatures. If you hold on to them you need to make a couple of choices- hold or sell. If you sell at a discount, you convert the inventory to cash and can reinvest elsewhere. If you hold on to the inventory, you have to pray for a warehouse space, utilities, equipment to move the inventory around, staffing, power, water, and your funds are locked up until the product sells. You may pay a small tax if you make it manufacture it but retailers don't have that problem. They have annual sales at certain times of the year not to reduce inventory but to clear out poor selling items and replace them with stuff that does sell.
Just in time is so you don't have to incur the warehousing costs or ramp up your warehouse costs.
Maybe the contents of the boxes have not been packaged, and it's just the boxes that are there. This would prevent the tax problem for the most part, and could easily provide the information about the new models.
if Yriel's corsairs are jump infantry that'd be lovely, too (not jet-pack; they really aren't that fast tbh, they just get to do the warp spider thing on a smaller scale with a smaller piece of terrain).
Flying wraithlords would require jetbike wraithseers to keep up with them. I'd rather have a 2+/3++ save instead.
Eldar Man wrote:what benefit are wraithguard anyway??? I am pretty new so I haven't studied them
A simple glance at their entry in the codex would show that. Buuuuuut I'll give a quick synopsis.
They are like mini monsterous creatures strength and toughness wise. They have a marine 3+ save. The guns they carry will eat anything or anyone who comes within range.
Bad stuff is they are very expensive point wise and $$ wise, they are slow, and have 12" range. Used correctly though, they can hit extremely hard and are damn near impossible to kill. But if you opponent is using a mobile army thy can dance around them pretty easily.
Oooh shiny new Eldar, seems about time! Maybe I will finally get around to collecting the Ulthwe force I always wanted.
As far as storing the goods in a warehouse for long stretches of time, Next time you buy a box, look at the sprue it should have a year embossed into the frame.
*grabs the space marine scouts with snipers box that arrived in the post earlier today*
'Games workshop 2005', I purchased these last week and they arrived today, very much into 2012.
I'm not 100% certain, but I suspect this date is the year of casting? please correct me if you know better.
That would suggest that this box of scouts sat around for 7 years before I finally bought it?
Bad bussiness or not it seems to be the case? I could accompany a photo... but you can all look at your last purchases sprue and recall when you bought it.
HairySticks wrote:
As far as storing the goods in a warehouse for long stretches of time, Next time you buy a box, look at the sprue it should have a year embossed into the frame.
That's the year the molds were tooled initially. Every sprue of Sniper Scouts will say "Games Workshop 2005" until a new kit is made. However, a lot of kits that come out recently say "Games Workshop 2011" on them, despite coming out in 2012.
Awesome thanks for the correction.
Even so, when the new starter set rolls around for example. The date will very possibly be a upto a year prior to release. The way they release products does suggest they have to stockpile enough for a global release day to satisfy the demand they anticipate. Meaning all releases must be planned ahead by considerable amounts of time which could mean idle stock taking up space for some time too.
HairySticks wrote:Awesome thanks for the correction.
Even so, when the new starter set rolls around for example. The date will very possibly be a upto a year prior to release. The way they release products does suggest they have to stockpile enough for a global release day to satisfy the demand they anticipate. Meaning all releases must be planned ahead by considerable amounts of time which could mean idle stock taking up space for some time too.
This is why it's ridiculous when somebody on forums such as these has this ridiculous "I can't believe they pushed ____ back!" reaction full of spit and vitriol when honestly GW had planned their chosen release for another date entirely. Things generally don't change on the spot like that; they're all planned out months in advance.
It's cool that they are coming out with plastic Wraithguard, but too little, too late for me unfortunately. I got two GW gift certificates (1 from the parents and 1 from my wife) almost specifically meant for Wraithguard because I have a fledgling Eldar army and they (at least my wife) knew that Wraithguard are so damn expensive for a useable squad that I would need a special occasion to ever get them, and I will now be getting at least 3-5.
Especially since they won't be any less expensive than the metal ones- if released right now they will probably be the same price and packaging as Wraiths. The current price of$47US for three Wraiths would actually be a price HIKE of $.60 apiece for Wraithguard.
And that's not taking into account the fact that they might be released after June, which will add another price hike. The likely price of $50 for a set of three would add a $1.60 hike to the current cost-per-model.
Now this assumes that they will be three to a box. I'm assuming that they will bump them up in size to make them more "impressive" (so three to a box), but maybe we'll get lucky and they will be like a box of Terminators. 5 plastic models for $50 bucks is still damn expensive, but a good deal easier to swallow.
Most transitions from metal to plastic have actually been a decent savings comparitively. Killa Kans went from $20+ each to three for $45ish. Unless Wraithguard get REALLY big sculpts, I'd expect Terminator-sized models at biggest.
Cept todays Wraithguard is already a little taller than a cyclone terminator. I'd think they'd be a tad taller than what they are now and take up a little more space due to their poses being appropriately dynamic (opposed to how they are currently very static now), making them fit very nicely on a 40mm base. Can't wait, I wish they'd just ship them as a gimme. I'd build about 15 of them regardless.
MightyGodzilla wrote:Cept todays Wraithguard is already a little taller than a cyclone terminator. I'd think they'd be a tad taller than what they are now and take up a little more space due to their poses being appropriately dynamic (opposed to how they are currently very static now), making them fit very nicely on a 40mm base. Can't wait, I wish they'd just ship them as a gimme. I'd build about 15 of them regardless.
Dynamic Wraithguard?
I'm not so sure Wraithguard are cpable of dancing the Watusi anymore...
MightyGodzilla wrote:Cept todays Wraithguard is already a little taller than a cyclone terminator. I'd think they'd be a tad taller than what they are now and take up a little more space due to their poses being appropriately dynamic (opposed to how they are currently very static now), making them fit very nicely on a 40mm base. Can't wait, I wish they'd just ship them as a gimme. I'd build about 15 of them regardless.
Dynamic Wraithguard?
I'm not so sure Wraithguard are cpable of dancing the Watusi anymore...
I dunno... there was that craze a few years ago to model wraithlords all stealthy and acrobatic, climbing and jumping all over stuff like they were Batman.
My definition of dynamic was less static than standing there like a domino with your gun hugged to your chest pointing solidly to the left like they are now.
Okay guys, got some extra details on the earlier Eldar rumors, specifically artwork and what everything looks like. Still no rules. Looks like the Xentarchs are indeed Exarchs, whether they are special Exarch's or just new remodelling is to be seen. We've also got names nailed down a bit more from translations.
With the recent release of the end of this year's schedule looking like Chaos and Dark Angels getting done, we might see Eldar landing early Q1 2013. This would be very much appreciated. Depending who writes it!
Anyway, details below!
Eldar Warpspiders/Everguard 5 per box
Spiders: whole squad looks like the old exarch, no huge weapon, helmets smaller, but same shape, wrist blades, two small spinner weapons on rod mount from the back. Spider web like straps on the chest that hold the backpack (doesn’t look as broad as the old version), running, jumping and slightly cowering poses, exarch has extra pair of weapons on the cover, don’t remember the back pictures
Everguard: aspect warrior body with runes on the chest, same collar as warpspiders but no mandible arcs and gas masks, different more warlock-like face plate and small arc at back of the head, double bladed two-handed spears, very dynamic models, jets from the side/underside of the backpack, squad leader has larger head-arc, mantle hangs over the backpack, flies in the wind
Eldar Sky Charriots/Shining Spears
3 per box, look like small vypers, slightly larger than jetbikes. Two parts: an engine part with jetbike-like canopy but in the shape of a dragon, owl and hawk head, sideway jets, and a distinct winged chariot part, parts are connected by arcs.
Riders either warlocks but arms are not robed, spear, sword and staff; or shining spear aspect warriors with lances, shining spears have smooth canopies with gems instead animal heads, helms look very cylon-like, have collar-like shoulderguards
Eldar Jetbikes
3 per box, the same pose as dark eldar jetbike, guardian riders with smaller helmets or bareheaded with lots of flying hair (80s heavy metal mane) and without backpack, vyper-esque smooth canopy, jet and wings have the same design as a falcon grav tank, underslung twin shuriken catapults and/or serpent-shaped bladehooks, some riders have axes with a hole in the blade
Eldar Dragon Riders
3 per box, very slender lizard mounts not unlike slaanesh steeds, all female rider, no helmets, long braids, guardian armor without backpack, all have shining spear lances, sabres and/or sniper rifles as sidearms, the armor has no decoration, not even gems or small bubbles, only exception is a gem that holds a cloak that falls to the left side of the rider, very simplistic look, not aztec or tribal at all
Eldar Wraithguard/Cataphracts
3 per box, look like old versions but have two rods for upper arms and thighs instead of just one, some have feet, some hooves, large fins at the back
Cataphracts: float/fly, fluttering cloth pieces instead of legs, wing-shaped shields and spears, segmented/armored head
Eldar Swooping Hawks
5 per box, larger wings, not so stiff and two-dimensional, several straps of clothes from the loin, wrists and ankles, model stand on these straps, both shoulder plates have inbuilt missile racks, Exarch has two shoulder-mounted blasters and a scimitar in one hand and two optional rifles, one is the same as the old exarch had, the other is a small star cannon
The Avatar of the Young King
Completely new design, much smaller, only as large as a wraithguard, set of aspect armour where every piece is spread out and connected by a body of magma, looks like an fire/earth elemental clad in a suit of armour, dire avenger helm with fire from the eyes and half burnt helm crest, floats and torso pose looks like vader during his Noooo scream, hands are armored, blood is dripping from the left, the right is molten and transformed into a blade
Eldar Warlock
fits the current warlocks but sharper robe edges, hadouken pose but with staff in two hands
Eldar Spirit Warrior
wraithlord-war walker mix, trygon base, running bird legs with hooves, huge scaled torso, a dozen poles extend from the back (like wraithlord but three times as much), left forearm replaced with massive lance, right hand holds extra handle on lance shaft or a three pronged swastika blade. Lower back, left shoulder and part of the left arm are concealed by an impressive cloak, head is surrounded by scaled armour plating, large gem at the front, doesn’t bend upward towards the end but downward, whole model leans forward, chest can be opened, female pilot inside
Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart
nuadhua holds lance upright, one end on the ground, points with axe on something, shining spear helm with tail of hair, layered armour like dark eldar-armour but with smooth curves, can be placed on vyper-variant, looks very similar to a vyper, canopy more segmented and wings in falcon-style, one large jet engine, chariot platform on the back, two large pennants
Eldar Webway Gate
Two arcs that almost touch each other at the top, whole construct has hazelnut shape, pyramidal platform with oval basis, several destroyed columns, front columns are intact and carry swooping hawk and dark reaper statues, whole model is covered with thorn-twines (seems to be optional)
Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch
holds two handed samurai sword downwards, two wrist-mounted shuriken catapults, banner, 99% that the phoenix on it is modeled on, one foot stands on a rock with an owl next to it, all armour plates are bedecked with a rune pattern, don’t know if this is only painted on
Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch
golfer pose, bends forwards and slashs upwards with a sabre, stretches other arm straight into the air, holds tri-swatiska, has snakes woven into her hair
Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch
jumps forwards, holds two short but thick chainswords in front, back of armour has backbone-like element that looks like a scorpion tail, continued on the helmet and ends in a sting, stands on ornamented plate with roots on it
Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch
knees almost, holds very long pike with two hands ready to fire, huge cluster of grenades on his back and his belt, helm ends in a dragon head
Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber & Eldar Black Warden plastic flyer combi-kit - The flyer is pretty large and has a crossbow shape, two canopies, one fin. The main variant on the cover has some lances and a large dorsal distort cannon. The other variant has extra downward/sideway thrusters
It seems that Exodites seem at least nodded to. I can't imagine Eldar Dinosaur Cavalry in any other setup. Poster went out of his way to mention the lack of a spirit stone as well, further leading to the Exodite assumption.
It also sounds like were going to be seeing more wraith-options. I may hold off on buying a bunch of new wraithlords now.
dorantana wrote:Okay guys, got some extra details on the earlier Eldar rumors, specifically artwork and what everything looks like. Still no rules. Looks like the Xentarchs are indeed Exarchs, whether they are special Exarch's or just new remodelling is to be seen. We've also got names nailed down a bit more from translations.
With the recent release of the end of this year's schedule looking like Chaos and Dark Angels getting done, we might see Eldar landing early Q1 2013. This would be very much appreciated. Depending who writes it!
Anyway, details below!
Eldar Warpspiders/Everguard 5 per box
Spiders: whole squad looks like the old exarch, no huge weapon, helmets smaller, but same shape, wrist blades, two small spinner weapons on rod mount from the back. Spider web like straps on the chest that hold the backpack (doesn’t look as broad as the old version), running, jumping and slightly cowering poses, exarch has extra pair of weapons on the cover, don’t remember the back pictures
Everguard: aspect warrior body with runes on the chest, same collar as warpspiders but no mandible arcs and gas masks, different more warlock-like face plate and small arc at back of the head, double bladed two-handed spears, very dynamic models, jets from the side/underside of the backpack, squad leader has larger head-arc, mantle hangs over the backpack, flies in the wind
Eldar Sky Charriots/Shining Spears
3 per box, look like small vypers, slightly larger than jetbikes. Two parts: an engine part with jetbike-like canopy but in the shape of a dragon, owl and hawk head, sideway jets, and a distinct winged chariot part, parts are connected by arcs.
Riders either warlocks but arms are not robed, spear, sword and staff; or shining spear aspect warriors with lances, shining spears have smooth canopies with gems instead animal heads, helms look very cylon-like, have collar-like shoulderguards
Eldar Jetbikes
3 per box, the same pose as dark eldar jetbike, guardian riders with smaller helmets or bareheaded with lots of flying hair (80s heavy metal mane) and without backpack, vyper-esque smooth canopy, jet and wings have the same design as a falcon grav tank, underslung twin shuriken catapults and/or serpent-shaped bladehooks, some riders have axes with a hole in the blade
Eldar Dragon Riders
3 per box, very slender lizard mounts not unlike slaanesh steeds, all female rider, no helmets, long braids, guardian armor without backpack, all have shining spear lances, sabres and/or sniper rifles as sidearms, the armor has no decoration, not even gems or small bubbles, only exception is a gem that holds a cloak that falls to the left side of the rider, very simplistic look, not aztec or tribal at all
Eldar Wraithguard/Cataphracts
3 per box, look like old versions but have two rods for upper arms and thighs instead of just one, some have feet, some hooves, large fins at the back
Cataphracts: float/fly, fluttering cloth pieces instead of legs, wing-shaped shields and spears, segmented/armored head
Eldar Swooping Hawks
5 per box, larger wings, not so stiff and two-dimensional, several straps of clothes from the loin, wrists and ankles, model stand on these straps, both shoulder plates have inbuilt missile racks, Exarch has two shoulder-mounted blasters and a scimitar in one hand and two optional rifles, one is the same as the old exarch had, the other is a small star cannon
The Avatar of the Young King
Completely new design, much smaller, only as large as a wraithguard, set of aspect armour where every piece is spread out and connected by a body of magma, looks like an fire/earth elemental clad in a suit of armour, dire avenger helm with fire from the eyes and half burnt helm crest, floats and torso pose looks like vader during his Noooo scream, hands are armored, blood is dripping from the left, the right is molten and transformed into a blade
Eldar Warlock
fits the current warlocks but sharper robe edges, hadouken pose but with staff in two hands
Eldar Spirit Warrior
wraithlord-war walker mix, trygon base, running bird legs with hooves, huge scaled torso, a dozen poles extend from the back (like wraithlord but three times as much), left forearm replaced with massive lance, right hand holds extra handle on lance shaft or a three pronged swastika blade. Lower back, left shoulder and part of the left arm are concealed by an impressive cloak, head is surrounded by scaled armour plating, large gem at the front, doesn’t bend upward towards the end but downward, whole model leans forward, chest can be opened, female pilot inside
Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart
nuadhua holds lance upright, one end on the ground, points with axe on something, shining spear helm with tail of hair, layered armour like dark eldar-armour but with smooth curves, can be placed on vyper-variant, looks very similar to a vyper, canopy more segmented and wings in falcon-style, one large jet engine, chariot platform on the back, two large pennants
Eldar Webway Gate
Two arcs that almost touch each other at the top, whole construct has hazelnut shape, pyramidal platform with oval basis, several destroyed columns, front columns are intact and carry swooping hawk and dark reaper statues, whole model is covered with thorn-twines (seems to be optional)
Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch
holds two handed samurai sword downwards, two wrist-mounted shuriken catapults, banner, 99% that the phoenix on it is modeled on, one foot stands on a rock with an owl next to it, all armour plates are bedecked with a rune pattern, don’t know if this is only painted on
Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch
golfer pose, bends forwards and slashs upwards with a sabre, stretches other arm straight into the air, holds tri-swatiska, has snakes woven into her hair
Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch
jumps forwards, holds two short but thick chainswords in front, back of armour has backbone-like element that looks like a scorpion tail, continued on the helmet and ends in a sting, stands on ornamented plate with roots on it
Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch
knees almost, holds very long pike with two hands ready to fire, huge cluster of grenades on his back and his belt, helm ends in a dragon head
Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber & Eldar Black Warden plastic flyer combi-kit - The flyer is pretty large and has a crossbow shape, two canopies, one fin. The main variant on the cover has some lances and a large dorsal distort cannon. The other variant has extra downward/sideway thrusters
Definitely sounds cool. I'm not sure I like the idea of dragon riders though. I am happy that I can differentiate the cataphracts from the wraithguard by using the metal models for the latter.
Plastic Wraithguard looking similar enough to the old metal Wraithguard is welcome. That won't completely obsolete the older models in spite of them being decades old.
It seems that these Xentarches are actually mini-Phoenix Lords in a way. A Phoenix Lord could pretty much be an upgrade to a Xentarch to be a special character.
The Avenger Xentarch sounds like Asurmen with the phoenix banner. The Banshee Xentarch sounds like Jain Zar with the claw and the Triskele. The Scorpion Xentarch sounds like Karandras with the ribbed-scorpion-design ending in a helmet=stinger. Dragon Xentarch sounds like Fuegan with his huge pike (except with a dragon helm).
Also if "Nuadhu" is the official and final spelling, it really is the special character from 3rdEd.
Spirit Warrior is the compulsory Trygon-Base that every codex seems to be getting.
Flyers have cool names, as always. Sleek and deadly creatures of mythology. Good change from the silliness that plagued the new Tyranids.
Color me excited even more. I don't care about viability in tournament play. Just give me new models. Anyone playing 40k competitively is just being silly anyways.
Also, warboss, You really really don't have to quote the entire thing.
Interesting change on the Avatar of the Young King; appears it's not the MC it used to be anymore, even though from that description, it is still larger than a eldar humanoid model.
It sounds cool, but I was kind of hoping for a more changed/modified version of the current Avatar; obviously a newer model, but with some changes to certain gear, etc.
Will have to see what abilities this new incarnation of the Avatar will have this time around....
Absolutionis wrote:Point taken. Apologies for the call-out.
No worries, no offence taken or meant. I also get annoyed when people quote long posts to add a single line but I'd be more worried about the poster editing out all that info which sounds at least plausible in this particular case.
Absolutionis wrote:Point taken. Apologies for the call-out.
No worries, no offence taken or meant. I also get annoyed when people quote long posts to add a single line but I'd be more worried about the poster editing out all that info which sounds at least plausible in this particular case.
I read lots of details I really like!
Dragonriders sounds great, just hope they can compete with super fast super agile shining spears ( both beeing lance cav).
Wow.... just wow.... I dont know what to think about all this. Some sounds great. Others sound like it could be eerily bad if handled the wrong way. I hope the new flier looks as awesome as it sounds.
sounds interesting... will have to give it all another read to absorb it all.
Sounds like I finished my WraithWalker just in time for it to fit in with the new Wraith aesthetic ; )
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/394013-.html?m=2
So, Everguard are a new Aspect...?
Depending on the sculpts, I may even have to break the No Finecast rule... excited! : )
finnan wrote:sounds interesting... will have to give it all another read to absorb it all.
Sounds like I finished my WraithWalker just in time for it to fit in with the new Wraith aesthetic ; )
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/394013-.html?m=2
So, Everguard are a new Aspect...?
Depending on the sculpts, I may even have to break the No Finecast rule... excited! : )
You are a skilled modeler and painter..... But I just cant get past thinking of this wen I look at him.
I'm glad I didn't put the ribbons on him then! ; )
Spirit Warrior - Eldar version of the Dreadknight I'm thinking as it has a pilot. Can't help thinking that the description sounds quite fussy, but we'll have to wait and see. Part of me likes the idea of the cloak, but another part of me thinks is sounds a bit indulgent and unnecessary (not as if wraithbone needs to keep warm...). Is this a modern interpretation of the knight titans and is fitting in with the Exodite stuff? Hmm...
I'm undecided whether this is all cool new stuff to be excited about, or a clever wishlist written to sound convincing by taking elements from Eldar background and weaving them into something that sounds like a viable range.
If it is all true, some of the details are pretty interesting - Everguard are something new (apart from the 4th ed codex illustration), so it will be cool to see them. The spirit warrior is a nod back to the old Eldar Dreadnoughts or Knight Titans. The areas where it doesn't quite ring true for me are the Cataphracts (which don't seem to correlate to anything in historic background in either name or design - every Eldar figure to date has followed the human form).
finnan wrote: I'm glad I didn't put the ribbons on him then! ; )
Spirit Warrior - Eldar version of the Dreadknight I'm thinking as it has a pilot. Can't help thinking that the description sounds quite fussy, but we'll have to wait and see. Part of me likes the idea of the cloak, but another part of me thinks is sounds a bit indulgent and unnecessary (not as if wraithbone needs to keep warm...). Is this a modern interpretation of the knight titans and is fitting in with the Exodite stuff? Hmm...
First, I really like your wraith lord chicken runner.
The spirit warrior sounds like hate or love model. And yes, a cloak for a big mechanical walker sounds really ridiccolous, but I guess its part of a ritual dress to tie it to warlocks perhaps (?).
Cataphracts sound a bit odd, but thanks to wiktionary, it means 'fully armoured' which is a nice concept I suppose, but it doesn't sound like the most Eldar-y of names... they sounds like the Wraithguard version of Shadow Spectres.
The changes to the avatar is interresting. Smaller model could suggest joining in units, riding in transports, or even beeing able to ride a neat chariot.
And those are some big changes in playstyle.
Put him in a wraith guard mob and have some fun.
Fayric wrote:The changes to the avatar is interresting. Smaller model could suggest joining in units, riding in transports, or even beeing able to ride a neat chariot.
And those are some big changes in playstyle.
Put him in a wraith guard mob and have some fun.
Could be sounds like he might be more like a C'tan shard or have the option to be summoned. I already have 2 Avatars, if they actually come out with that model it will save me from doing a conversion.
In the end I hope to still be able to take him in his regular form, otherwise my FW Avatar will not get to see the tabletop anymore.
finnan wrote:Cataphracts sound a bit odd, but thanks to wiktionary, it means 'fully armoured' which is a nice concept I suppose, but it doesn't sound like the most Eldar-y of names...
IIRC the Adeptus Mechanicus already have a unit called Cataphracts
Although the word Cataphract usually refers to the armored shock cavalry in the ancient era (basically the precursors to knights)
I think The Avatar of the Young King is going to be different then the avatar of avatar of khaine. as the young king is the exarch that is sacrificed to khaine to make the avatar, perhaps the avatar of the young king can become the avatar of khaine at some point in the game. also all warpspiders getting power blades is broken and wreaks of ward.
Can't wait to see the new sculpts. Rules sound ok from what we hear so far. Sucks to be all those holding on to wraithguard though. Sounds like they'll change them enough people will have to buy more to play them with other options.
magusx613 wrote: also all warpspiders getting power blades is broken and wreaks of ward.
Uh, can we hold off on the chicken little screams just yet? We don't know if they're power blades, just CCWs, or merely decoration. Even if they were powerblades, they could be accounted for in the unit cost. i.e. 35 point warp spiders! OMG! They're so over-costed, they'll never make their points back! Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!
The only problem I see is that there is only 1 existing aspect redone in plastic (spiders), assuming that suppossed double kit as plastic.
Finecast for units doesn't look good, IMO (grotesques and wracks come to my mind instantly). If it has to exist, they should use it for IC, on individual creatures (avatar). That's why I don't have raptors for my CSM, or why my few eldars don't grow in number. But it is just a personal opinion, of course.
garrapignado wrote:The only problem I see is that there is only 1 existing aspect redone in plastic (spiders), assuming that suppossed double kit as plastic.
Finecast for units doesn't look good, IMO (grotesques and wracks come to my mind instantly). If it has to exist, they should use it for IC, on individual creatures (avatar). That's why I don't have raptors for my CSM, or why my few eldars don't grow in number. But it is just a personal opinion, of course.
I think he said Swooping Hawks would be plastic. The new Eldar walker on a Trygon base sounds like an Eldar Knight, which is pretty cool!
garrapignado wrote:The only problem I see is that there is only 1 existing aspect redone in plastic (spiders), assuming that suppossed double kit as plastic.
Finecast for units doesn't look good, IMO (grotesques and wracks come to my mind instantly). If it has to exist, they should use it for IC, on individual creatures (avatar). That's why I don't have raptors for my CSM, or why my few eldars don't grow in number. But it is just a personal opinion, of course.
I think he said Swooping Hawks would be plastic. The new Eldar walker on a Trygon base sounds like an Eldar Knight, which is pretty cool!
Ok, more than one. Missed about Hawks (so they will be in line with DE scourges: bigger wings, 3D pose) and shining spears (always forget them as aspect).
HOWEVER... I miss bashees, scorpions, dragons and reapers!
They've been referring to Terminators as Cataphracts in some of the more recent Horus Heresy books, so they'll probably be some sort of heavy infantry, 2+ save unit.
magusx613 wrote:I think The Avatar of the Young King is going to be different then the avatar of avatar of khaine. as the young king is the exarch that is sacrificed to khaine to make the avatar, perhaps the avatar of the young king can become the avatar of khaine at some point in the game. also all warpspiders getting power blades is broken and wreaks of ward.
Had to do something. For the last 3 codexes (codicies?) we have had two jump infantry choices, but neither was hand to hand oriented. We had 2 HtH oriented aspects, with no delivery mechanism (in terms of transport, scorpions could infiltrate/outflank if you want to count that). Spiders really make a good choice for being a short ranged/HtH unit, leave the hawks to dropping bombs and shooting (really need to allow skyleap to happen in assault phase or make the grenades worth dropping though....or just a flying unit?). Overall, I'm most surprised we haven't heard anything about an open topped/assault transport (guessing one of the viper variants will be analogous to a venom though).
Little worried about the Avatar of the Young King. If it is a mini-avatar and doesn't replace the boss man, good times. If it turns out this is the replacement for the avatar, I am disapoint. Though it would mach up to the Avatar's status in fluff lately as "punching bag".
Neiru getting a model will be nice. He was one of the few new ideas from the 3rd codex that was interesting (in theory if not practice).
Hooray we may be getting a wraithguard assault unit, and they may get 2+ saves....now that we have real terminators as an option if we need a hammer unit. I guess it's about time and gives us an Eldar 2+ assault unit (supposition to the cataphract here), but pretty underwhelming at this point. Mixing cataphracts in the same unit with wraithguard to prevent the shooty death from getting tarpitted though....that thought makes me smile.
Can't wait for the rules. The new models are exciting, and if we are lucky enough to have Ward do the codex (Read: I want to be the OP army for once) then Eldar might be diverse and fun again.
This latest batch of updates seems almost too good to be true. I love how the new Wraithguard and Spirit Warriors and other Eldar mechs sound like. All in all it looks like this will be an incredible release especially if Jes Goodwin has sculpted a lot of this stuff. If it's as good as it sounds I'm re-starting my purple/black Altansar Eldar (http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics14/img4ae015ebc213f.jpg) again to be the ancient enemy of my new Necrons.
we don't need an assault transport we will have the webway gate if it works like it does in dawn of war it will be a building we can assault out of the turn we disembark and will be able to hold a lot if units, perhaps we will get 3 per fortification foc slot and can place them all over the board. then place units in the webway and disembark and ether location thus ignoring them being in reserves.
Therion wrote:This latest batch of updates seems almost too good to be true. I love how the new Wraithguard and Spirit Warriors and other Eldar mechs sound like. All in all it looks like this will be an incredible release especially if Jes Goodwin has sculpted a lot of this stuff. If it's as good as it sounds I'm re-starting my purple/black Altansar Eldar (http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics14/img4ae015ebc213f.jpg) again to be the ancient enemy of my new Necrons.
Gorgeous painting!!!
And as to what someone else said earlier, 2+ WG would be sweet. Or even CC oriented Guard would be sweet as well. I hope these new scuplts (if true) are on par with the awesome images I am coming up with in my head. A centaur like cavalry MC wraithlord would be awesome. Something like those guys from Retribution in War Machine maybe?
Mother of God. Looks like I'm finally gonna be able to build the Saim Hann army I wanted since I was a kid. Plastic Wraithguard don't even have me as excited as the Shining Spears, Exodites, and Spirit Walker.
magusx613 wrote:we don't need an assault transport we will have the webway gate if it works like it does in dawn of war it will be a building we can assault out of the turn we disembark and will be able to hold a lot if units, perhaps we will get 3 per fortification foc slot and can place them all over the board. then place units in the webway and disembark and ether location thus ignoring them being in reserves.
Tell that to the DE webway portal
I doubt it will counter the no assaults from reserve rule when the DEWWP doesn't, making it largely useless. Of course they could FAQ the WWP before then to remedy this and it would sound more plausible, lets hope they do that.
I am imagining it to be more like an eldar version of the Landing pad without the deepstrike restriction. Probably +1 to reserve rolls and can enter through it.
The new unit descriptions make me very excited for the new eldar. And first quarter isn't really that far off. I'll be saving my nickels and dimes for this release.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmmm I do wonder if I can still use my FW Avatar when the next codex comes out. It'd be a shame if I couldn't I waited years to buy the thing. Pfft!
magusx613 wrote:there webaway is moble, ours will be a static fortification that can't move thus it will be very different.
Your making assumptions and so am I, the dark eldar wwp is MADE for assaulting and you can't assault from it. Personally I hope you can assault from both in the future but as it stands there is a big precedence in the DEwwp that it won't happen. My theory is it will allow vehicles through it and that will be the only major difference aside from deployment.
I doubt they'll edit them out, unitwise, but they may redo the models. They'll look outmoded, but still be usable. I use some truly ancient Dark Reapers with no complaints.
They're more likely to add new models than remove the existing ones (especially when they are as iconic as Eldar aspects), though they can and have done so before.
I'm curious to see how true these are. It strikes me as strange that the CSM are getting the world's least interesting release, and Eldar are getting a million cool new units.
ph34r wrote:I'm curious to see how true these are. It strikes me as strange that the CSM are getting the world's least interesting release, and Eldar are getting a million cool new units.
That's what is holding me back.
Rumor or truth?
In your esteemed wisdom, would you start an Eldar army now, or just wait?
ph34r wrote:I'm curious to see how true these are. It strikes me as strange that the CSM are getting the world's least interesting release, and Eldar are getting a million cool new units.
That's what is holding me back.
Rumor or truth?
In your esteemed wisdom, would you start an Eldar army now, or just wait?
If all of these rumors are true, I might start eldar when they come out. The current CSM seem lackluster in comparison. I can't say if I would delay starting an army, you can always start safe with units that wont change.
ph34r wrote:I'm curious to see how true these are. It strikes me as strange that the CSM are getting the world's least interesting release, and Eldar are getting a million cool new units.
That's what is holding me back.
Rumor or truth?
In your esteemed wisdom, would you start an Eldar army now, or just wait?
If all of these rumors are true, I might start eldar when they come out. The current CSM seem lackluster in comparison. I can't say if I would delay starting an army, you can always start safe with units that wont change.
I am also in agreement. Seems odd that Eldar get so many new units, and chaos doesnt even have anything on cult terminators!
finnan wrote:Cataphracts sound a bit odd, but thanks to wiktionary, it means 'fully armoured' which is a nice concept I suppose, but it doesn't sound like the most Eldar-y of names... they sounds like the Wraithguard version of Shadow Spectres.
@Fayric: thank you : )
Not meaning to pick on you in particular Finnan, but your post helps my argument...
Kirby wrote:Cataphracts: float/fly, fluttering cloth pieces instead of legs, wing-shaped shields and spears, segmented/armored head
To all commenting on how Cataphract is not fitting -- recall perhaps that they're themed on Ancient Earth mythology and armies -- Celtic, Greek, Persian, Japanese, Indian... Everything the Roman-styled Space Marines are not.
A cataphract was THE penultimate armored knight in the ancient Western world, especially in Byzantium. If these are what they appear to be: melee-based, heavily-armored (by Eldar standards, at least) robots, then they fit the name.
TheRuggernaut wrote:
To all commenting on how Cataphract is not fitting -- recall perhaps that they're themed on Ancient Earth mythology and armies -- Celtic, Greek, Persian, Japanese, Indian... Everything the Roman-styled Space Marines are not.
A cataphract was THE penultimate armored knight in the ancient Western world, especially in Byzantium. If these are what they appear to be: melee-based, heavily-armored (by Eldar standards, at least) robots, then they fit the name.
Indeed, the proverbial heavily armoured floating robot spectres is recurring in most ancient myth
About the Avatar again, the model descibed sure sounds like its summoned to take the place of a sacrifical trooper (burnt avenger crest helmet), but then again, why rename it to fit the fluff of the royal sacrifice ritual prior to the actual battle (as descibed in the current codex). To call it avatar of the young king dont make sense if its summoned or posess an existing model. And Im starting to feel really foolish for reading to much in to a more and more dubious rumour.
By the way, that spirit warrior cloak could be a enormous camo cloak for both shrouded and stealth (only way to make little sense out of it), but all in all this walker sounds fishy. Its supposed to have first a head and then a pilot in the main body? Split personality.
Puscifer wrote:Avatar of the Young King is a very dubious name for GW to give.
Avatars are the manifestation of Khaine, or more closely, his form to a point.
The young king was just the sacrifice that was (and I quote) "Obliterated utterly when sacrificed to the Avatar".
For it to be called AOTYK, it would have to be the manifestation of the young king who was sacrificed.
Also...
Ever guard are in WE armies for WHFB and carry weapons very similar to those described.
The Dragon Riders just sound like DE Cold Ones.
I'm starting to think that the rumor is more wish listing and forgery than solid rumor.
I could be wrong, but I want proof.
It may just be mis-wording for the Avatar, but its a fair point. However Everguard are illustrated on p12 of the 4th ed codex, and Dragon Riders (Exodites) have been in the background since at least 2nd edition. Still, as I said a few posts ago, this could all be a clever fictional drawing together of background/threads to try and give it credence.
Puscifer wrote:Avatar of the Young King is a very dubious name for GW to give.
Avatars are the manifestation of Khaine, or more closely, his form to a point.
The young king was just the sacrifice that was (and I quote) "Obliterated utterly when sacrificed to the Avatar".
For it to be called AOTYK, it would have to be the manifestation of the young king who was sacrificed.
Also...
Ever guard are in WE armies for WHFB and carry weapons very similar to those described.
The Dragon Riders just sound like DE Cold Ones.
I'm starting to think that the rumor is more wish listing and forgery than solid rumor.
I could be wrong, but I want proof.
It may just be mis-wording for the Avatar, but its a fair point. However Everguard are illustrated on p12 of the 4th ed codex, and Dragon Riders (Exodites) have been in the background since at least 2nd edition. Still, as I said a few posts ago, this could all be a clever fictional drawing together of background/threads to try and give it credence.
Might also be a retcon of the entire Avatar. Perhaps in response to the backlash of having so many Avatars punked by various Space Marine scouts in recent Codices. If it is simply a possessed Eldar who is hopped up on combat drugs and wearing a special suit of armor - it is a lot easier to sell than if it were the actual fragmented essence of a god.
magusx613 wrote:there webaway is moble, ours will be a static fortification that can't move thus it will be very different.
Your making assumptions and so am I, the dark eldar wwp is MADE for assaulting and you can't assault from it. Personally I hope you can assault from both in the future but as it stands there is a big precedence in the DEwwp that it won't happen. My theory is it will allow vehicles through it and that will be the only major difference aside from deployment.
I assume it's going to look and operate similar to the one depicted on the current codex cover.
Puscifer wrote:Avatar of the Young King is a very dubious name for GW to give.
Avatars are the manifestation of Khaine, or more closely, his form to a point.
The young king was just the sacrifice that was (and I quote) "Obliterated utterly when sacrificed to the Avatar".
For it to be called AOTYK, it would have to be the manifestation of the young king who was sacrificed.
Also...
Ever guard are in WE armies for WHFB and carry weapons very similar to those described.
The Dragon Riders just sound like DE Cold Ones.
I'm starting to think that the rumor is more wish listing and forgery than solid rumor.
I could be wrong, but I want proof.
It may just be mis-wording for the Avatar, but its a fair point. However Everguard are illustrated on p12 of the 4th ed codex, and Dragon Riders (Exodites) have been in the background since at least 2nd edition. Still, as I said a few posts ago, this could all be a clever fictional drawing together of background/threads to try and give it credence.
Might also be a retcon of the entire Avatar. Perhaps in response to the backlash of having so many Avatars punked by various Space Marine scouts in recent Codices. If it is simply a possessed Eldar who is hopped up on combat drugs and wearing a special suit of armor - it is a lot easier to sell than if it were the actual fragmented essence of a god.
When I read it, I was hoping it would work something like this model being able to turn into a full blown avatar - like he's in the early stages of his transformation or something.
I love these rumours, if true Eldar are gonna be so much fun.
Maybe is another example of "hey! it is not fair to bring a god into battle!". They did it with C'tan: now they are C'tan shards, just little pieces, with little power in comparison. The Avatar of Khaine could be now harder to summon because of whatever reason (Chaos presence is bigger now so it is a high risk, for example), so they have to content with a lesser version (given the new size).
The Avatar has always been literally a "shard" of the god.
Flavorwise, he fought Slaanesh and couldn't win. Khaine was shattered into many shards on Craftworlds. Eldar sacrifice themselves to bring these shards back to Avatary-form.
Really sounding amazing. I really hope they do all of the aspects in plastic and not just the spiders. Scorpions in particular I'm dying for in plastic!
Wonder if they'll allow Xentarchs to take an aspect as a troop choice? While exploitable with Dragons (unless they get an enormous cost boost) it really would be a lot of fun with a ton of scorpions and the like.
magusx613 wrote:there webaway is moble, ours will be a static fortification that can't move thus it will be very different.
Your making assumptions and so am I, the dark eldar wwp is MADE for assaulting and you can't assault from it. Personally I hope you can assault from both in the future but as it stands there is a big precedence in the DEwwp that it won't happen. My theory is it will allow vehicles through it and that will be the only major difference aside from deployment.
I assume it's going to look and operate similar to the one depicted on the current codex cover.
Lol, so no idea? Seriously the cover looks like all other covers, it's your armies leader with guys power rangering all around him it really isn't the place to draw conclusions from for its mechanics. Though I will concede the point that things will definitely come out of it, and it will be an eldar building if that's what you meant .
I have to agree with ph34r that this seems wishlisty, I mean I want a lot of it to be true, but so much sounds incredibly corny and adolescent. "The bikers will have 80's metal band hair," really? They will gain a knight class walker when the flavor of 6th is fliers, which by the way they will receive 3! A number larger then any one so far or rumored besides them. I hope they get a great release and that the spyders and wraithguard get love this time around but this is looking and feeling more and more like the chaos rumors did when they were this far out.
Red Corsair wrote:I have to agree with ph34r that this seems wishlisty, I mean I want a lot of it to be true, but so much sounds incredibly corny and adolescent. "The bikers will have 80's metal band hair," really? They will gain a knight class walker when the flavor of 6th is fliers, which by the way they will receive 3! A number larger then any one so far or rumored besides them. I hope they get a great release and that the spyders and wraithguard get love this time around but this is looking and feeling more and more like the chaos rumors did when they were this far out.
The flavor of all the 5thEd armies have been to get a Trygon-Base unit, and Eldar hasn't been updated to 5thEd yet. They found a contrived way to shove a MC into Super Space Marines, why not Eldar?
As for fliers, Orks have 1 kit that can be made into 3 variants. Eldar surely can get something similar.
Most other armies that have been updated in 5th have at least 2 (Tyrant/Harpy, StormTalon/Stormraven, NightScythe/DoomScythe, VoidRaven/DEBomber, Valkyrie/Vendetta)
The triple-kit fits with the trend that every army is getting a Bomber/Gunship, a Fighter, and/or a Transport flier.
Red Corsair wrote:I have to agree with ph34r that this seems wishlisty, I mean I want a lot of it to be true, but so much sounds incredibly corny and adolescent. "The bikers will have 80's metal band hair," really? They will gain a knight class walker when the flavor of 6th is fliers, which by the way they will receive 3! A number larger then any one so far or rumored besides them. I hope they get a great release and that the spyders and wraithguard get love this time around but this is looking and feeling more and more like the chaos rumors did when they were this far out.
The flavor of all the 5thEd armies have been to get a Trygon-Base unit, and Eldar hasn't been updated to 5thEd yet. They found a contrived way to shove a MC into Super Space Marines, why not Eldar?
As for fliers, Orks have 1 kit that can be made into 3 variants. Eldar surely can get something similar.
Most other armies that have been updated in 5th have at least 2 (Tyrant/Harpy, StormTalon/Stormraven, NightScythe/DoomScythe, VoidRaven/DEBomber, Valkyrie/Vendetta)
The triple-kit fits with the trend that every army is getting a Bomber/Gunship, a Fighter, and/or a Transport flier.
Trygon base? Hmmmm I wonder where my DE, SW and Necons trygon based model is then? Or maybe you could take a second look and notice it's the same as the flier base.
As for the flier what makes me a skeptic is the fact that the black widow or what ever its called (need to check that) was first rumored as a new army leader then became a flier from a guy who supposedly saw the kits..... How the F do you mix up a flier variant with a female character?
Edted: Black warden
Oh and where is BA large monster? It's a ridiculous claim.
More than anything, I want options back, all the talk of "never" invalidating a model leaves me in the dust. I still have the 2nd ed Dark Reaper Exarch with a web of skulls.
Doesn't exist anymore :(
I for one am hoping the Exodite Dragon Riders are true. (On a side note, more dragon less slaanesh look please) Ever since the dinorider cartoon from the 80s I have wanted dino/dragonriders! Lol. I dont currently have an Eldar army, but if they do make Exodites I will spring for them.
magusx613 wrote:there webaway is moble, ours will be a static fortification that can't move thus it will be very different.
Your making assumptions and so am I, the dark eldar wwp is MADE for assaulting and you can't assault from it. Personally I hope you can assault from both in the future but as it stands there is a big precedence in the DEwwp that it won't happen. My theory is it will allow vehicles through it and that will be the only major difference aside from deployment.
I assume it's going to look and operate similar to the one depicted on the current codex cover.
Lol, so no idea? Seriously the cover looks like all other covers, it's your armies leader with guys power rangering all around him it really isn't the place to draw conclusions from for its mechanics. Though I will concede the point that things will definitely come out of it, and it will be an eldar building if that's what you meant .
What's depicted in the artwork is a monument-type structure large enough to have vehicles exiting it. Since what's described in the rumor fits the artwork -- and because it's different than the DE portable hole-style portal -- it's possible it will allow vehicles to exit. Does that help your comprehension of my admitted assumption?
Maybe Xentarch are a court/bodyguard for an Autarch? I can imagine that to be one expensive unit though
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also with the Exodites I was expecting them to get a full codex, wasn't there at some point a rumor that GW was planning on releasing one more army thats always been in the background, I'd expect it to be them.
Mantle wrote:Maybe Xentarch are a court/bodyguard for an Autarch? I can imagine that to be one expensive unit though
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also with the Exodites I was expecting them to get a full codex, wasn't there at some point a rumor that GW was planning on releasing one more army thats always been in the background, I'd expect it to be them.
Mantle wrote:Maybe Xentarch are a court/bodyguard for an Autarch? I can imagine that to be one expensive unit though
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also with the Exodites I was expecting them to get a full codex, wasn't there at some point a rumor that GW was planning on releasing one more army thats always been in the background, I'd expect it to be them.
Xentarchs are Exarchs IIRC.
They are resin Exarchs renamed and sold separatly from aspects that dont seem to get updated models. I think its fair to speculate what kind of changes the Ex to Xen include. How many armies has unit leaders sold in separate blister these days?
Not to mention, they will start selling a Dire Avenger resin Exarch instead of including a multioption plastic guy in the Avenger box? Not even GW would do that for the extra buck they might get out of it.
Absolutionis wrote:We don't know anything about these Cataphracts. I was hoping they were centaur-Wraithguard, but it seems they;ll be wispy Spectre-legged Wraithguard.
Maybe their 'armor' comes from some flickershields or holo-fields giving them an invulnerable save. That's Eldar for Armor!
oh god I laughed so hard just now. I can't wait for plastic shining spears, even though I just bought 5 metal ones (so sad.....) all I want from this update is a HUGE list of psychic powers, I don't care if they're good or not I just want a bunch, because I'm still peeved about eveyone having more lores than me. I would even be fine with one HUGE eldar only list for Divination that you have to roll like 3d6 on.....just anything.............please..............and don't make me give up my warlocks...........................don't let........ward..........touch.........my..............................codex
(goes into hibernation until eldar release)
Another option could be something so simple that Exarchs need their weapons upgraded. Why rename them I haven't got a clue about, but maybe the old Exarchs just do not have the correct armament.
MandalorynOranj wrote:Ward won't be doing the book, Eldar are Phil Kelly's baby. All praise the Kelly, sixes be upon him.
Kelly once said he doesn't want to do the next Eldar Codex, so that he doesn't become the Eldar guy. Also usually noone makes two editions of a Codex in a row. But we will see. Maybe Jes will again take an active role as in the latest Dark Eldar Codex.
Don't know what to think... Dark Eldar were a failure, especially with 6th edition now (in my own opinion). Him doing Eldar too would likely just continue this game down the same path it's been going down for 2 editions where Xenos are being phased out and Marines leap frog to see who can come out with the most whacked out crap next. Honestly, why give Forgeworld the Horus Heresy when we're so close to phasing out Xenos entirely?
Also not a fan of the direction they took the fluff, but since DE had nothing to build off of whereas Eldar have 20 years to look back on it should be more difficult to screw them up.
Honestly, would prefer Ward do the rules so the book may stand up to a marine codex or 2 and have someone else do the fluff like Kelly or Jes.
Jes models would be a win on all fronts of course.
Nvs wrote:Don't know what to think... Dark Eldar were a failure, especially with 6th edition now (in my own opinion).
DE were a raging success... for GW. They got everyone to buy hundreds of dollars of raiders, witches, and venoms just to nerf the piss outta them at the edition change and make you go buy a bunch of wracks.
excellent. With them gone, and there only being so many marines out there, soon it will be nothing but my beloved guard, and maybe we can start making the future less grimdark.
MandalorynOranj wrote:Ward won't be doing the book, Eldar are Phil Kelly's baby. All praise the Kelly, sixes be upon him.
Kelly once said he doesn't want to do the next Eldar Codex, so that he doesn't become the Eldar guy. Also usually noone makes two editions of a Codex in a row. But we will see. Maybe Jes will again take an active role as in the latest Dark Eldar Codex.
Oh, well that's unfortunate. Big fan of Kelly's stuff.
Fayric wrote:
They are resin Exarchs renamed and sold separatly from aspects that dont seem to get updated models. I think its fair to speculate what kind of changes the Ex to Xen include. How many armies has unit leaders sold in separate blister these days?
Not to mention, they will start selling a Dire Avenger resin Exarch instead of including a multioption plastic guy in the Avenger box? Not even GW would do that for the extra buck they might get out of it.
They're not going to remove the bits from the Dire Avengers kit to reduce the option; that's absolutely ludicrous and I doubt GW wants to put someone on their payroll just to clip bits off a sprue. If these rumors are true, they're probably for exarchs with new weapon options that aren't in the codex as we know it now.
Fayric wrote:
They are resin Exarchs renamed and sold separatly from aspects that dont seem to get updated models. I think its fair to speculate what kind of changes the Ex to Xen include. How many armies has unit leaders sold in separate blister these days?
Not to mention, they will start selling a Dire Avenger resin Exarch instead of including a multioption plastic guy in the Avenger box? Not even GW would do that for the extra buck they might get out of it.
They're not going to remove the bits from the Dire Avengers kit to reduce the option; that's absolutely ludicrous and I doubt GW wants to put someone on their payroll just to clip bits off a sprue.
My point exactly.
Brother SRM wrote: If these rumors are true, they're probably for exarchs with new weapon options that aren't in the codex as we know it now.
Oh, thats clever, I was more inclined to dismiss the whole rumour wall. (actually, Im not beeing sarcastic. Good point).
golfer pose, bends forwards and slashs upwards with a sabre, stretches other arm straight into the air, holds tri-swatiska, has snakes woven into her hair...
Were tirskeles so underused in 5th ed that people have forgotten what they look like? Actually come to think about it, I didn't get one in the banshee's finecast box.
For me something feels off about these rumours, yet at the same time that for some reason give it more credit in my mind. Still a while out though, can't wait to hear the rumours closer to release date.
Nvs wrote:Don't know what to think... Dark Eldar were a failure, especially with 6th edition now (in my own opinion). Him doing Eldar too would likely just continue this game down the same path it's been going down for 2 editions where Xenos are being phased out and Marines leap frog to see who can come out with the most whacked out crap next. Honestly, why give Forgeworld the Horus Heresy when we're so close to phasing out Xenos entirely?
Also not a fan of the direction they took the fluff, but since DE had nothing to build off of whereas Eldar have 20 years to look back on it should be more difficult to screw them up.
Honestly, would prefer Ward do the rules so the book may stand up to a marine codex or 2 and have someone else do the fluff like Kelly or Jes.
Jes models would be a win on all fronts of course.
Yes, DE were a total cluster feth that noone liked and didnt have any chance to compete not to mention those darn Necron Marines that are currently kicking ass and taking names.
Fayric wrote:
They are resin Exarchs renamed and sold separatly from aspects that dont seem to get updated models. I think its fair to speculate what kind of changes the Ex to Xen include. How many armies has unit leaders sold in separate blister these days?
Not to mention, they will start selling a Dire Avenger resin Exarch instead of including a multioption plastic guy in the Avenger box? Not even GW would do that for the extra buck they might get out of it.
They're not going to remove the bits from the Dire Avengers kit to reduce the option; that's absolutely ludicrous and I doubt GW wants to put someone on their payroll just to clip bits off a sprue. If these rumors are true, they're probably for exarchs with new weapon options that aren't in the codex as we know it now.
I'm with you on this. From the sound of it, Xentarchs might be the new Phoenix Lords. For all the hubbub about Dragon Riders, I'm glad I'm ahead of the curve.
Brother SRM wrote:If these rumors are true, they're probably for exarchs with new weapon options that aren't in the codex as we know it now.
If they aren't Phoenix Lords, maybe they're ICs in the HQ slot. Although obviously that would lead to a rather ridiculous list of HQ options. I tend to lean to them being a newish take on Phoenix Lords, which could probably use the refresh TBH.
Pyro-Druid wrote:
Were tirskeles so underused in 5th ed that people have forgotten what they look like? Actually come to think about it, I didn't get one in the banshee's finecast box.
They didn't come in the metal box either. The only one is Jain Zar's. It's meh option without an easy way to model so of course they never got used.
I have an old Jain Zar that I got with a huge box of 3rd Ed Dark Eldar, and was thinking of using her in my unit of Banshees for a "normal" Exarch, but I really hate the giant 80's hairdo, not to mention the fact that I would have to run a stronger pin into her foot to offset the weak single join to the base.
I'm quite eager to see the new Eldar for my pirates list, not to mention a new Codex to fix some of the big weaknesses Eldar have. I originally bought some DE Scourges to field as counts-as savage-looking Swooping Hawks for my pirates (by counting their splinter rifles as lasblasters), but in all fairness they are probably quite a bit more useful as actual Scourges fielded as allies to give the army the benefit of their heavy weapons.
I'm still sticking with my converted Shining Spears, though even if some new sculpts are on the horizon. The new Dark Eldar jetbikes coupled with plastic Dark Elf Cold One rider lance-arms make for a damn nasty looking unit on the table, even if they aren't game-winners, and they are a dirt cheap (5 bucks added to a jetbike box) and simple arm-swap conversion to boot.
AegisGrimm wrote:I have an old Jain Zar that I got with a huge box of 3rd Ed Dark Eldar, and was thinking of using her in my unit of Banshees for a "normal" Exarch, but I really hate the giant 80's hairdo, not to mention the fact that I would have to run a stronger pin into her foot to offset the weak single join to the base.
Giant 80's hairdo..lol..no wonder she falls over.
As for purging the xenos Codex: Target Practice I have a source (so add me to the rumor tracker) that I cannot disclose (of course, right) that says Codex: Taget Practice will be the second of a two part codice set. The first being Codex: Deathwatch (they're the ultimate xenos slaying Smurfs), and it will be so ridiculously OP Broken that Codex: Target Practice is actually just a 50 page sticker book. Old GW xenos art, some blank pages to stick them to, and Mad Libs for rules. Both coming out 4th quarter 2013. If you preorder Codex: Target Practice you get the GW crayons as a bonus!
Coming SOON!!! Codex:Target Practice Written and edited by
Matt Ward. All new model range, completely in finecast quality!
48 Easy monthly payments of 1,000$!!!!
MightyGodzilla wrote:If you preorder Codex: Target Practice you get the GW crayons as a bonus!
Nope, this is where I call salt. If you preorder, you get the option to purchase the finewax color styli for $19.99.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris at the Memphis warehouse last night....
He said the list of colors will be; ULTRABLUE!!!, Blood of the Blood Red, DA Emo Green, Crazy Crusader Black, Netlist "Don't make me kill your Sisters" Grey (although I think it looks more silver), and some sort of mega-crayon that appears to be all the other colors melted together called DIY Pick and Choose.
I'm upset there's only 6 colors however they said a 7th would force them to make Chaos Space Marine Crayons and they couldn't fit all the Legions into one box.
I'm pretty excited about the Eldar rumors, since they are my second biggest army (around 7k last count), they are in need of some new minis/flare/excitement and so on.
- The Avatar of Khaine (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Wraithguard / Cataphracts (Plastic Box)
- Eldar Sky Chariots / Shining Spears (Plastic Vehicle squadron box)
- Eldar Warpspiders / Everguard (Plastic Box)
- Eldar Black Warden (Resin Blister)
- Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister (Resin Blister, produced in China)
- Eldar Eldritch Raiders (Plastic Box)
- Eldar Webway Gate (Terrain, Plastic, large Land Raider sized Box)
- Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper (Plastic, Vyper sized Box)
- Eldar Spirit Warrior (Plastic, large Land Raider sized Box) !
- Eldar Dragon Riders (Plastic Vehicle squadron box)
- Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch (Resin Blister)
- The Avatar of the Young King (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber (Plastic, large Land Raider sized Box)
- Eldar Jetbikes (Plastic Vehicle squadron box)
- Eldar Warlock with Force Staff (Resin Blister)
- Eldar Swooping Hawks (Resin Blister)
And, as part of the Allies Supplement release:
- Harlequin Solitaire (Resin Blister)
Seems to confirm Xentarch name and several other things.
However, Ulthwe does have the Black Guardians. Maybe the Black Warden is supposed to be an HQ Guardian where the Autarch is an HQ Aspect Warrior. Perhaps the Black Warden just enhances Guardians martially akin to a sergeant as opposed to the psychic Warlocks?
Solitaire would make a nice HQ version of the Harlequin allies force if this Summer of Allies really is a thing. I can't see the Deathjester or Shadowseer being anything more than a squad heavyweapon/sergeant.
Compatible as allies with anything that isn't Chaos or Necrons.
Absolutionis wrote:Solitaire would make a nice HQ version of the Harlequin allies force if this Summer of Allies really is a thing. I can't see the Deathjester or Shadowseer being anything more than a squad heavyweapon/sergeant.
Not sure if serious, but a Solitaire is the worst choice to lead an army, being "solitaire", silent and damned. The Troupe Master is of course the fitting HQ.
I sort of hope this is all true.... Then again I sort of hope not. Some of it seems perfect while others just seem.....idk.... strange, or off. Maybe its because I havent actually seen the models and just a simple description.
But if this is true, there will be so many models to buy. $$$$$$$
I'm hoping GW is just reusing the Spirit Warrior name to be the Eldar Knight (Dreadknight-size base and figure) that was rumored. Because otherwise, a Spirit Warrior used to be what a Wraithlord is now, just with a chance of Psychic Powers.
Absolutionis wrote:Troupe Master works as an obvious IC that joins Harlequin squads.
Solitaire works as a non-IC character that cannot join squads.
That's probably a good guess.
I think moving Harlequins to an allies role is the best thing that could happen to them. It gets them out of this rut of having to have the same rules in the Eldar and Dark Eldar codices. As allies, you can update them whenever and however without affecting either codex.
I'm glad to see Eldar finally get some expansion of their units, fluff, concepts, etc. Been a long time coming. The Planetwister is undoubtedly the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord, right?
r some psychic Wraithlord, having the Wraithseer in the codex would be awesome.
That would be cool, I would love to see the actual Wraithseer (maybe in plastic!), and the Spirit Warrior be a great big Wraithlord, so in either case I'm happy.
Honestly I also wouldn't mind seeing the Warp Hunter moved out of FW hands and fully plastic-ized, and becoming part of the main ruleset. Cuz that's one yummy tank.
NO! Other than shipping costs to the US, the Warp hunter is cheaper to get from FW than it is to get the plastic Fire Prism tank it's based off of from GW..........
Same with the Wraithseer. A move to GW plastics would make them more available but with the added price jump.
AegisGrimm wrote:NO! Other than shipping costs to the US, the Warp hunter is cheaper to get from FW than it is to get the plastic Fire Prism tank it's based off of from GW..........
Same with the Wraithseer. A move to GW plastics would make them more available but with the added price jump.
It's still cheaper.
It's $56 for the Warp Hunter and $50 for the Fire Prism.
When you account for Forge World shipping, the Warp Hunter is about $63
When you account for the common 20%-off MSRP GW products, the Fire Prism is $40.
Having a Warp Hunter available for the price of a plastic Fire Prism would be great IMHO.
^^This^^ Well said Absolutionis. And let's face it a fully plastic Warp Hunter would be a total dream. Have you ever put together a FW Wave Serpent? Compaired to the all-plastic Wave Serpent the hybrid kit was such a hassle. That and no sending miscasts across the pond for replacements!
evilmonkee wrote:Also saw the release list for hte next year - a big Ork wave with the long awaited Buggies and Koptas as well as plastic Meganobz/Flashgitz!! Eldar as well with a whole plethora of stuff..but my source said expect those nxt year.
Scans of the WD September also confirm an Eldar Finecast wave including Maugham Ra, Karandras and Yriel.
AegisGrimm wrote:NO! Other than shipping costs to the US, the Warp hunter is cheaper to get from FW than it is to get the plastic Fire Prism tank it's based off of from GW..........
Same with the Wraithseer. A move to GW plastics would make them more available but with the added price jump.
It's still cheaper.
It's $56 for the Warp Hunter and $50 for the Fire Prism.
When you account for Forge World shipping, the Warp Hunter is about $63
When you account for the common 20%-off MSRP GW products, the Fire Prism is $40.
Having a Warp Hunter available for the price of a plastic Fire Prism would be great IMHO.
I love these arguements - I'll post my straw man argument here:
But you can get the warp hunter parts from a chinese or russian recaster for about $10 [not able to post the link due to forum rules but you can do a google search and find one of them] and then you can find a better than 20% off [again do another google search] and now I'm looking at about $40 for the same kit and you just have to wait some 2-3 months for delivery but you can get them for nearly the same price.
The price is about $6 between the two when you compare apples to apples and thats not a bad deal. If you can get a large enough order, the shipping problem is a moot point too and thats all dependent on the x-rates.
I think they said the black warden is a 3rd option in a 3 part kit lamia strike fighter/moon siren bomber/black warden.
Three options is nice but all I want is a Nightwing Interceptor that's not double the price of a Razorwing.
It's still cheaper.
It's $56 for the Warp Hunter and $50 for the Fire Prism.
When you account for Forge World shipping, the Warp Hunter is about $63
When you account for the common 20%-off MSRP GW products, the Fire Prism is $40.
Ahhhh....my mistake. I was using a Euro to US conversion, which give around 42 dollars. Not a GBP conversion which is 56. Looks like a Wraithseer is a conversion for me, then- which doesn;t look bad, considering I can use the D-cannon from a support weapon.
For those without Imperial Armour 11, how does a warp Hunter compare on the table to a Fire Prism? Not looking for stats, just function. Better.... worse? Looks to be a tank hunter with the D-cannon as a fixed forward firing weapon vs. a Fire Prism's turret?
AegisGrimm wrote:
For those without Imperial Armour 11, how does a warp Hunter compare on the table to a Fire Prism? Not looking for stats, just function. Better.... worse? Looks to be a tank hunter with the D-cannon as a fixed forward firing weapon vs. a Fire Prism's turret?
For such a high price I find using it as an artillery piece like the support weapon is a waste of points, so I use it as a flamer tank. I should say I still haven't tried it in 6th, though. If you do model it, keep in mind that the weapon is fixed and not turreted, the point is supposed to be located near the forward right wingtip. This fixed position is actually a fairly major drawback - but again, I've not played with jink saves.
Has anyone noticed that Wraithguard are in Finecast now? Pack of 5 for $60, dropping the price per model significantly. Doesn't this move make a plastic kit less likely?
Gavin Thorne wrote: Has anyone noticed that Wraithguard are in Finecast now? Pack of 5 for $60, dropping the price per model significantly. Doesn't this move make a plastic kit less likely?
Seeing how they are mono pose I would still say they are a prime target for getting new models. The Hive Tyrant got the fincast treatment just a few months before going plastic.
Hi,
the translation of the next eldar codex has started (or so it seems)...
All plastic minis stay the same for the moment including jetbikes
Wraithguards will be plastic with a HtH option (swords)
A new Farseer model (finecast iirc)
a character for Dire Avengers, a new entry "something-seer"
Pretty vague, though HtH Wraithguard sounds pretty cool. A lil sad the Eldar plastics will stay the same, was really hoping to see some revamped Eldar jetbikes
I'm doubting this one, if only for the jetbikes staying the same - GW would make a fortune on the new jetbikes, and one would hope that they'd know that, and therefore not miss a trick by keeping the old ones.
Sword-weilding Wraithguard would undoubtedly look cool, but would it serve an in-game purpose?
They'll get Eldar versions of Imperial close combat weapons but with lower strength and wonky special rules that don't even nearly make up for it. And they'll cost twice as many points as the Imperial counterparts.
They've had those reposed jetbikes on hold for years. Is there any reason at all they would keep them back? The helmets dont even look like current Eldar helmets.
Also the DA named character is pretty intrinsic to the fluff. He's the guy that sort of made aspect warriors, IIRC. Cant see him moving way to another DA character.
Which kinda makes me doubt this. Although I do so want to believe.
I expected the jetbikes to stay the same, after they released the SCannon and Shining Spear upgrade packs.
The sculpts may be old, but still do the job.
As for the others, Wraithguard options looks good, as a single multi-pack with a sprue of arms, maybe...
This matches the OP's post:
"plastic Wraithguard/Cataphracts".
finnan wrote: ... but the Cataphracts turned out to be Mk1 Terminator armour, so I'm doubting the validity of the original rumour
Just because they're both called "Cataphracts"?
The Eldar models may go by a different name because of Space Marine favoritism, but on the other hand, GW hasn't shied away from calling multiple things by the same name (Scorpion, Warrior).
Warrior is a fairly generic term, but Cataphract is pretty specific - I can't see GW using it for two different products from two different races. (I don't see wraithlords being called dreadnoughts these days - same principle) If it turns out that they do, I'll eat my hat.
Since the Cataphract name was taken from the same post that included "resin box Halcones Cazadores", I assume it's a mis-translation/alternate of the final name.
They're all in the OP's copy-paste from ProjectBiomorph.com.
Is a hand to hand Wraithguard very fluffy though? From all the Eldar lore I've read, there is no mention of a hand to hand wraithguard, just the shooty one.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Is a hand to hand Wraithguard very fluffy though? From all the Eldar lore I've read, there is no mention of a hand to hand wraithguard, just the shooty one.
There are huge numbers of references to Ghost/Wraith Warriors, they are so widely used that to me its kind of a stretch to assume they all have the exact same weaponry. They are also increasingly in use given race wide decline in Eldar numbers, so from that side of things you can easily justify them getting new loadouts to handle their expanding use. There are also some sources which point to Wraithguard (or Wraithguard like) constructs being around since the Fall of the Eldar (if not before) and given that the Eldar have improved their technology since then the older versions would probably have had more basic weaponry anyway.
No sure of cc wraithguard is fluffy but it would be cool non the less.
Throw in the warlock upgrade they need and it has real potential if they can get into combat.
I love the current jetbike though I hate the figures on them. Mine are all custom to be a mostly female squad using DE whyches torsos and legs (I had to cut and reposition the bent leg), and the featureless reaver full helmets. Bare arms with some bits of armor give them a nice feminine look. They each have a close combat weapon arm raised to show off their (ahem) beautiful and deadly forms.
My shruiken cannon upgrades are male using Dire Avenger Exarch upper torsos and storm guardian top knots. Just the way it goes that the men get the big guns.
I wanted a mostly female JB squad to stand apart from the rest of the force but the elder female torso just looked like guardians with boobs (lol, that is after all what they are) plus the standard guardian legs and helmets did not help and I wanted something a bit more feminine. The whyches are elder enough with the full reaver heads to pass in my army with my craftworld colors and some skin showing.
I would love to see seer council bikes, I really like the chapter house conversions.
I am seriously thinking of getting the chapter house upgrades, any feedback on them?
Glad to hear plastics will not change. Was not looking forward to an overhaul of guardians though a duel defender/ storm guardian kit would rock.
Plastic eldar... Yum. I've always liked eldar. Nice and easy to paint, but complicated enough to get detailed. And of course, who doesn't like painting wraithbone
Another idea on the zentarch is if they look all fancy and HQ like they could be a type of autarch that only specialized in one aspect and therefore make that aspect troops.
Mantle wrote: Another idea on the zentarch is if they look all fancy and HQ like they could be a type of autarch that only specialized in one aspect and therefore make that aspect troops.
That's also known as an Exarch, sorry to burst your bubble, Autarchs have mastered all aspects so you can't have an autarch specializing in one.
A cc version of Wraithguard is actually very old fluff, in a way.
Back in 1st edition, Eldar had constructs that were called Wraith warriors, which wielded twin powerfists and a head mounted flamer or shuriken catapult. They were essentially the Eldar version of Imperial Robots, and I am assuming they were replaced by Wraithguard in 2ed.
I could totally see a new version or Wraithguard that wield two-handed Direswords, much like the Wraithsword a Lord can take, and maybe a shoulder mounted Avenger Catapult. It's immensely fluffy given the tragic decline of the Eldar, where they are being forced to use their "dead" as troops, even though that is abhorrent to them.
AegisGrimm wrote: A cc version of Wraithguard is actually very old fluff, in a way.
Back in 1st edition, Eldar had constructs that were called Wraith warriors, which wielded twin powerfists and a head mounted flamer or shuriken catapult. They were essentially the Eldar version of Imperial Robots, and I am assuming they were replaced by Wraithguard in 2ed.
I could totally see a new version or Wraithguard that wield two-handed Direswords, much like the Wraithsword a Lord can take, and maybe a shoulder mounted Avenger Catapult. It's immensely fluffy given the tragic decline of the Eldar, where they are being forced to use their "dead" as troops, even though that is abhorrent to them.
A unit of wraithknight (that could be the name) leading the charge with a unit of wraithguard marching behind fore fire support while wraithlords moving from the flanks while hailing fire on to the enemy.
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