Kroothawk wrote:

anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:I can confirm the new jetbike is awesome and looks very similar to DE one with the rider leaning forward more, a larger engine beneath/behind the rider.

Sorry. I meant remakes of individual models.
Jetbikes and aspects are being re-done, but HQs are being recast, it appears.

 Kroothawk wrote:

anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:I can confirm the new jetbike is awesome and looks very similar to DE one with the rider leaning forward more, a larger engine beneath/behind the rider.

the fighter is also similar to DE apart from weapon and slight changes to wing and nose shape, I'm lead to belive there are multi options to the fighters weapon systems, being shrieken cannons, , scatter laser, distortion cannon the last I may be wrong, as some sort bomb I believe is a distortion bomb is rumoured as an option

If true, this would "confirm" that I'll be broke when the eldar release hits, granted i would be anyways, but anything to make it better is welcome

I'm really excited for all of the models listed which is strange considering how much Eldar I already have.. If true GW is giving me a great reason to buy these dual kits.

Edited for rules 1 and 3. MT11

EDIT:

Alright, I'll rephrase, I sure hope that the Eldar dont take the same stylings as the new high elf pics Ive seen, as they are too flamboyant.

As interesting as it may be to finally find out what army Sid actually collects and plays, please keep this thread on topic - ELDAR news and rumors!

Thanks!

Ugh, Stickmonkey is making spaghetti again. Just throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.

wall spaghetti ey?

That sounds yummy

Alpharius JUST told everyone to stay on topic and lay off the spam. Warnings are now being handed out.

I'm really liking that plastic farseer. With the head and arms separate...I really think that converting a jetbike farseer will be much easier...but in GW's infinite wisdom will probably remove the jetbike from the Farseer's available wargear like they did with the DE archon.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I'm really liking that plastic farseer. With the head and arms separate...I really think that converting a jetbike farseer will be much easier...but in GW's infinite wisdom will probably remove the jetbike from the Farseer's available wargear like they did with the DE archon.

The very thought of that makes me feel ill...

If the new Jetbikes turn out to be true, i'm keen on retro fitting the Corsair Jetbike units just so they stand out from the normal Craftworld ones. GW would do very well to create a sub market called "Keeping the Wife happy", like cross promotion with shoe companies etc... that way the Mrs is kept happy whilst I merrily enjoy the plastic crack storm in this 7 yearly release.

Has anyone been able to find any previous rumours that involve the plastic Farseer? I was thinking if there were any, then potentially any other kits mentioned along side it would have some shred of credibility. So far nothing i've looked at contains mention of the Farseer, yet everything else surrounding it?

My head is giddy with wonderment.

 pretre wrote:
Ugh, Stickmonkey is making spaghetti again. Just throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.

1.) Stickmonkey just reposted his old list of predictions AFAIK.
2.) The recent anonymous post could be just guesswork, as we all know the look of the Eldar jetbike and can guess the look of the flyer, given DE and Forge World models.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Ugh, Stickmonkey is making spaghetti again. Just throw everything against the wall and see what sticks.

1.) Stickmonkey just reposted his old list of predictions AFAIK.
2.) The recent anonymous post could be just guesswork, as we all know the look of the Eldar jetbike and can guess the look of the flyer, given DE and Forge World models.

Aha, yeah, I just found the old ones from Nov 2012. Looks like he elaborated on them and tried to qualify them, but they are the same.
Eldar Releases - Nov 2012

Where are my exodites and dinoriders!?

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Where are my exodites and dinoriders!?

In the land of make-believe. :(

The only 'mongers who brought up exodites (that I remember) was ghost21 and the discredited 'release schedule'. Not a glowing endorsement.

That farseer looks great. Looking forward to the eldar release. I've been wondering if they were going to do a full revamp for the eldar like they did for the dark eldar. Maybe that's why they had all the production problems with the tau. If they were trying to crank out all this extra eldar stuff at the same time it would make since that they would be overly stressed for production. Just a thought.

 wowsmash wrote:
I've been wondering if they were going to do a full revamp for the eldar like they did for the dark eldar. Maybe that's why they had all the production problems with the tau.

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Everything I've seen indicates a fairly minor update, on a par with what other sixth edition armies have got: a handful of new units, a couple of existing ones produced in plastic and a fairly conservative codex.

I don't see how a 'minor' update is a bad thing, when you consider how much 1-2 new units can change a codex. In any case the main thing is to replace the second-edition models, and try and do something about the codex's terrible internal and external balance.

A new clutch of special rules, better points costs, a flyer kit and plastic jetbikes, and I'm happy. A lot of the changes I'd like to see are less new units, and more changes to the rules for current ones. Better uses for exarchs rather than being overpriced upgrades. Balanced heavy weapon costs. Give some units like guardian jetbikes options that give them punch, etc.

Only unit I really see a need for in the codex is an assault transport. The rules for assaulting from vehicles are absolutely punishing in 6th ed.

Indeed, Eldar don't need a full revamp. Just some models brought up to date like warp spiders and jet bikes. A MC and a flyer would be nice,even if I never play them.

I'm mostly after a new codex tbh, models can wait. I'm not over looking forward to the rumored MC, GW could royally botch it and look like another power ranger toy. But w'll see, a mini titan would fit better imo. Maybe it'll be convertible into one.

I'm sure which ever rumors are true, I'll be broke the month of their release.

Eldar definitely don't need a full revamp of the model line, they've still got some of the best models in the game. Only things that really could use it are Phoenix Lords (except Maugan Ra, best GW model IMO), Wraithguard (just to put them in plastic), Jetbikes (just awful, although easy to convert with Guardians), Shining Spears, and Warp Spiders. An option for Farseers and Warlocks on bikes would be nice also.

Why are people saying 1-2 models will change a codex? Those WD codecies will very much reviled when it happened to Blood Angels and Sisters and Daemons.

The WD addition of the Ork flier didn't really do much. It kept Ork players happy for a new model, but it didn't do much for the army as a whole.

Also, remember that the Eldar got the Night Spinner for their current codex a while back. It's a great model, and the new Fire Prism frame is great too. However, nobody really takes the Night Spinner despite it having fairly unique rules and a great model.

I really don't think simply releasing plastic Spiders, Wraithguard, and some MechagodzillaWraith will be enough to refreshen Eldar. A new Codex is really welcome, and revamping many of the older models is also very welcome. They certainly don't need the Dark Eldar treatment of a complete overhaul, but they have plenty of ancient models that need a remake. Even the Guardians are starting to show their age. Can we have lasblasters again?

Ah yes, wraithguard, how could I forget those.

Absolutionis, would be more than 1-2 models. A small hand full of the obvious models needing a update and the expected new ones I would think would be substantial for a new release.

I think guardians are pretty much where they need to be, not sure how you could improve on them?

Eberious wrote:
Ah yes, wraithguard, how could I forget those.

Absolutionis, would be more than 1-2 models. A small hand full of the obvious models needing a update and the expected new ones I would think would be substantial for a new release.

I think guardians are pretty much where they need to be, not sure how you could improve on them?

Removing them from the Codex to some might be considered an improvement. They have been nothing more than a meatshield for a long time. The only semi-decent Guardians are the Black Storm variant from a while ago (speaking in terms of 3rd ed onwards). Flamers are what interest me here. Frankly, if they operated like the Corsairs they'd be half decent - JSJ capabilities, reasonable points, decent range and weapon loadout. FW were on the money for the most part with IA:11.

Edit: whoops, misread that... you're referring to the sculpt... yeah they've aged very well considering!

 Absolutionis wrote:
I really don't think simply releasing plastic Spiders, Wraithguard, and some MechagodzillaWraith will be enough to refreshen Eldar.

But what are you going to do? Redesign the Aspect Warriors again? They've already received new models for every type of Aspect Warrior ('cept Spiders*) in every edition of the Codex they've received. Why do it again, especially if it's just to exchange one FineCost model for another? Better to go plastic. Better to take something that hasn't changed in an aeon (Spiders, Wraithguard) and made them plastic, give 'em a stack of new options, and make them into good units.




*Shining Spears have only had one kit, but they didn't even get models 'til 3rd Ed so they're a little different.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
I really don't think simply releasing plastic Spiders, Wraithguard, and some MechagodzillaWraith will be enough to refreshen Eldar.

But what are you going to do? Redesign the Aspect Warriors again? They've already received new models for every type of Aspect Warrior ('cept Spiders*) in every edition of the Codex they've received. Why do it again, especially if it's just to exchange one FineCost model for another? Better to go plastic. Better to take something that hasn't changed in an aeon (Spiders, Wraithguard) and made them plastic, give 'em a stack of new options, and make them into good units.




*Shining Spears have only had one kit, but they didn't even get models 'til 3rd Ed so they're a little different.

Agreed!

But you know GW will have to give them a new flier too...

Which sucks because we have two perfectly kick a#$e fliers in the Forgeworld range... and frighteningly good ones at that.

So this talk about new Aspects though, I think that gem pops up every time there is mention of new rules (in both the models and rules - for the last couple of editions anyway). I think we've got all angles covered Aspect wise, they just need refinement in this upcoming Codex to find their place on the tabletop again. To do that though I think they may have to squeeze the last bits of flexibility in the Codex out, almost akin to the 3rd Ed CW:E addon.

The Phoenix Lords aren't too bad, the Avatar needs a slight adjustment, given how silly it looks next to a FW Avatar these days. The option of Jetbikes Warlocks/Farseers/Autarchs as perhaps some kind of multi kit would be grand. So far I can only thank CH Studios for their saving grace on that one. Aspects? Yup, just the Spiders... so all up, Spiders, Wraithguard, Jetbikes and a couple of new kits... perhaps with the odd "polished" new sculpt for existing models. I won't be upset if they decide to re-release Harlequin Jetbikes though I wouldn't mind if they blamed Ward for slipping it in there either (rules wise).

Regarding the Phoenix Lords: Asurmen, Jain Zar, and Karandras certainly could do with new models. Asurmen the least so of the three, but his face is pretty ridiculous. Jain Zar I have to say is one of the worst looking models in 40k with the giant 80's hair, and Karandras looks a little bit silly as of now. The others are fine, Baharroth is ok, nothing to write home about, Fuegan looks good, and Maugan Ra is damn perfect. I can only hope that they add in a PL for the Warp Spiders, that would be nice to see.

I wasn't in that game when the Harlequin 'dex was around, but it would be pretty great to see some expanded options for them, even if it was just including the Solitaire.

I beg to differ, Karandras is one of the best GW models ever

Seconded!

 Morachi wrote:

Eberious wrote:
Ah yes, wraithguard, how could I forget those.

Absolutionis, would be more than 1-2 models. A small hand full of the obvious models needing a update and the expected new ones I would think would be substantial for a new release.

I think guardians are pretty much where they need to be, not sure how you could improve on them?

Removing them from the Codex to some might be considered an improvement. They have been nothing more than a meatshield for a long time.

Games Workshop should not remove items from codeces just to force a certain interpretation of fluff on players' army designs. I've used Guardians since 2nd edition, and I've never used them as meat shields. They have a role, and if players aren't using them in that role in line with the background, then there are only three viable choices: A) re-write the background, B) alter the rules to give them a role more in line with their background, C) ignore it.

Otherwise you might as well demand that Space Marines get removed from the game. After all, there are only so many chapters of 1000. The gene seed ran out a long time ago. Sorry new players, why don't you pick up Imperial Guard instead?

 JOHIRA wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

Eberious wrote:
Ah yes, wraithguard, how could I forget those.

Absolutionis, would be more than 1-2 models. A small hand full of the obvious models needing a update and the expected new ones I would think would be substantial for a new release.

I think guardians are pretty much where they need to be, not sure how you could improve on them?

Removing them from the Codex to some might be considered an improvement. They have been nothing more than a meatshield for a long time.

Games Workshop should not remove items from codeces just to force a certain interpretation of fluff on players' army designs. I've used Guardians since 2nd edition, and I've never used them as meat shields. They have a role, and if players aren't using them in that role in line with the background, then there are only three viable choices: A) re-write the background, B) alter the rules to give them a role more in line with their background, C) ignore it.

Otherwise you might as well demand that Space Marines get removed from the game. After all, there are only so many chapters of 1000. The gene seed ran out a long time ago. Sorry new players, why don't you pick up Imperial Guard instead?

You missed the part where I said that in jest given the comment "Not sure how you could improve on them". Many units have been removed over the years since Rogue Trader and undergone significant changes (from armament to play style), not saying its right, but it does happen. Guardians lack direction at the moment, whilst they are usable, they are not effective or as efficient as they could be. Frankly the best they've ever been was in 2nd edition, but that is my opinion. Currently, they can't be transported in significant enough numbers, their range is very poor unless they are transported and so the circle goes - in short, they require substantial support to do what Dire Avengers currently do better.

The Black Guardians with a web way portal were one very effective way of getting alot in one place without having them perform like Gaunts, being snotted down to ineffective numbers before they reached their intended target. Guardian Defenders with a single platform at range do in fact end up as a form of ablative armour (meat shield). Storm Guardians are marginally better with Flamers/Fusion Guns if mounted in a Wave Serpent... however can end up stuck after the initial BBQ assault. In 2nd edition they had speed (better than most races), range and (provided you didn't jam) decent volume of firepower. They lost all of that in 3rd edition onwards.

Fluff wise, Guardians are brought into battle as a last ditch effort, a standing army for defensible positions. The exception being Ulthwe who have gone the extra mile to train their Guardians a little better. I too have played Eldar since 2nd edition (1996 to be precise) almost exclusively and have a substantial Warhost to reflect it. New players should typically go to the end of the Smurf queue for orientation... but your attempted condescending undertone has been noted. Next time, please back up your comment with more detailed explanation such as how you actually use them. It would be a tad more constructive, just a thought.

In my not-so-humble opinion I think a lot of the Eldar models actually look good. It's their codex that needs more fixing than their models.

The Jetbike Klan-hoods are easily swapped with regular Guardian helmets (Jetbikers are listed in the codex as Guardians anyway)

Spider poses could be more dynamic, maybe?

Personally i'd be happy with a good looking flier (as long as the rules arnt horrible) some minor point reductions here and there even being able to take 2 squads of aspect warriors as troops so i can drop my mandatory 200 pts of guardians would be nice and for GW to stay away from my warp spiders rules so much s6 is so beautiful

I've been told the new dex is being done by Phil Kelly - can anyone confirm this? I'm workblocked from most of the net.

PredaKhaine wrote:
I've been told the new dex is being done by Phil Kelly - can anyone confirm this? I'm workblocked from most of the net.

Currently its a rumour (Natfka's blog seems to be the source of this). Pretty much a big maybe given what he has said at Games Days over the last couple of years... at some he said he didn't want to be competing with his own previous work, and then some people have said he expressed different views later. Short answer, too hard to tell.

 Morachi wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
I've been told the new dex is being done by Phil Kelly - can anyone confirm this? I'm workblocked from most of the net.

Currently its a rumour (Natfka's blog seems to be the source of this). Pretty much a big maybe given what he has said at Games Days over the last couple of years... at some he said he didn't want to be competing with his own previous work, and then some people have said he expressed different views later. Short answer, too hard to tell.

Thanks

The latest bit from Faeit is a discussion on what the rumoured oval-based model might be. Nothing new (yet), only acknowledgement of what is likely to come. Unfortunately, as awesome as a Bright Stallion would be, it would quickly be renamed Butt Stallion or The My Little Huge Pony.

Eberious wrote:
Indeed, Eldar don't need a full revamp. Just some models brought up to date like warp spiders and jet bikes. A MC and a flyer would be nice,even if I never play them.

I'm mostly after a new codex tbh, models can wait. I'm not over looking forward to the rumored MC, GW could royally botch it and look like another power ranger toy. But w'll see, a mini titan would fit better imo. Maybe it'll be convertible into one.

I'm sure which ever rumors are true, I'll be broke the month of their release.

The Eldar codex do not need a full revamp to be made competitive and up to date. The Eldar codex needs a full revamp to be made exciting and current with the 6th edition style and layouts.

The current range of models lack specialization which is something they need to have. Only updating costs and touching up the codex will result in further limitation which is what the Aspect Warriors have at the moment.

I'm happy that the current active rumour is that Phil Kelly was excited about working with the Dark Kin and took a lot of notes for the Bright Kin, as this is indicative that the Craftworlders are in for some change away from the current bland 3rd edition codex (it's not really a 4th edition codex, they just took the 3rd edition altered some prices made 'serpents DT and removed the useful armoury layout in favour of a more confusing positioning of special rules and wargear - and added a lot of fluff).

Are people generally happy with the way the Dark Eldar turned out? From the rules to the background I found them to be lacking and I gave up playing them completely despite trying my hardest to find a fun and new way to play them.

Eldar are my last hope after Dark Angels didn't turn out that great either and I'm not impressed with Thousand Sons.

I'm also of the opinion Eldar need much more work than just point adjustments as there are a great number of things that aren't used (successfully) regardless of their points costs.

I don't want a wraithhorsie thank you, or a scaled up wraithlord simply because GW has a thing for silly walkers. I'm looking forward to the codex, especially about the Autarchs choosing paths. I think Dark Reapers as troops would be lovely.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I don't want a wraithpony thank you, or a scaled up wraithlord simply because GW has a thing for silly walkers. I'm looking forward to the codex, especially about the Autarchs choosing paths. I think Dark Reapers as troops would be lovely.

Fix'd...

We had reapers as troops in 3rd. It didn't work too well becuase there just weren't enough bodies on the table...

via Best_Pone on Warseer
Eldar Rumors - April 2013

The pods on the wings of my drawing are the engines by the way, and yes, this fighter doesn't have a forked nose. Overall, the length of the Hemyock is a little longer than the Wave Serpant chassis, and the cockpit is located in the nose of this particular design. PENDING

Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

A flying penis?

I ... just...

Right. I'll just keep using my converted Voidraven.

Rumor seems believably. GW consistently fails to attach any semblance of a tail portion to their fliers.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Rumor seems believably. GW consistently fails to attach any semblance of a tail portion to their fliers.

Because science fiction.

Lol, as said ... a flying penis. Well if it looks anything like that then it'll be a DE flyer conversion. It doesn't even flow with the rest of the Eldar design. But hey, lets see what happens. I'm totally not taking that as a serious possibility right now, gave me a chuckle.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Rumor seems believably. GW consistently fails to attach any semblance of a tail portion to their fliers.

Sunshark and Razor Shark had tail portions...

But with additional pylons for added science!

 pretre wrote:
Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

Haha. I couldn't find a nice Wraithlord vs Riptide shot. But if the Wraithlord vs Crisis Suit and Riptide vs Crisis Suit shots I found were decent, we're looking at a model about 33% taller than a Riptide. Riiiiiiight.

Eldar are getting a Klingon Sex Toy???

Hemyock?

Hemlock maybe...?

what!?!
i can't even express how funny it would be if the Eldar got stuck with a flying penis...
i mean, they have the best looking flyers in the game, and then this...
just, wow...

Forgeworld looks better with every new release...

cheers
jah

We get it, your minds are in the gutter. Whoever drew that image probably did it intentionally. Even the Faeit212 article mentions the phallic quality of the image.

To be fair, it's really no different than the silhouette of a backswept Nightwing:


With the turret body of the FirePrism attached to the front (minus the cannon):

 Souleater wrote:
Eldar are getting a Klingon Sex Toy???

The front gun has AP1

BTW seems I get my first TRUE for my made up Eldar rumour:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/522374.page

Eldar get a monstrous creature, which isn't a creature (true). It is just a bigger Wraith Lord with two extra weapon choices to save design time.

 pretre wrote:
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Eldar Rumors - April 2013

The pods on the wings of my drawing are the engines by the way, and yes, this fighter doesn't have a forked nose. Overall, the length of the Hemyock is a little longer than the Wave Serpant chassis, and the cockpit is located in the nose of this particular design. PENDING

Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

Can we please refrain from posting pornographic images

The Centauri have joined the Eldar!

"Mister Ulthran, my good and dear friend. You will lend me some credits in the casino, yes?"

Not sure what to think about the Nightwang.... But the bigger wraithlord sounds a little dumb for eldar. Seems finesse would be more their thing than big stompy creature.

I hope Eldar aren't getting the super-mecha treatment the Tau just got...

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Not sure what to think about the Nightwang.... But the bigger wraithlord sounds a little dumb for eldar. Seems finesse would be more their thing than big stompy creature.

Nightwang... PRO!!!!!

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Not sure what to think about the Nightwang.... But the bigger wraithlord sounds a little dumb for eldar. Seems finesse would be more their thing than big stompy creature.

That's a good point, but on the other hand, the Titans that Forgeworld makes for Eldar are pretty uniformly awesome. In fact, the bigger they are, the awesom-er they seem...

Hopefully this new beast will be sort of a mini-titan of sorts. Big nast space-elf-beam-cannon arms and not a big bruiser.

-C6

Umm... Really? Eldar get the flying WraithBONE shaft? ... anyway, the only thing that I'm really hoping comes to fruition is plastic Wraithguard. Been wanting to do an Iyanden Craftworld "Wraithwing" for years, but always held out for the possibility of plastics. As it stands Wraithguard are to expensive, monetarily, for what you get IMHO. Never really cared about the total battlefield effectiveness of this army type. but dang it would look cool and be fun to paint!

Here's the high elves:

http://pinsofwar.com/high-elves-leak-2/

Some good and some bad omens for Eldar in there.

Now I want the flier to look like that, just to use the term "Nightwang", that's pure gold!

 pretre wrote:
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Eldar Rumors - April 2013

The pods on the wings of my drawing are the engines by the way, and yes, this fighter doesn't have a forked nose. Overall, the length of the Hemyock is a little longer than the Wave Serpant chassis, and the cockpit is located in the nose of this particular design. PENDING

Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

Oh the humanity.....
It needs bigger engines.

 pretre wrote:
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Eldar Rumors - April 2013

The pods on the wings of my drawing are the engines by the way, and yes, this fighter doesn't have a forked nose. Overall, the length of the Hemyock is a little longer than the Wave Serpant chassis, and the cockpit is located in the nose of this particular design. PENDING

Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

Oh my...... That looks.... Interesting?

Lucarikx

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Not sure what to think about the Nightwang.... But the bigger wraithlord sounds a little dumb for eldar. Seems finesse would be more their thing than big stompy creature.

Idk what you're talking about. Wraith constructs have been an integral part of Eldar for as long as I can remember. They are one of the major craftworlds and have their own, very distinctive paint scheme. I exclusively run Iyanden and Saim Hann; one very brute force approach and one very speedy and nimble. It's perfect. I am VERY excited about all the rumors regarding Iyanden type units, let's hope they will be a lot like Riptides(FoC wise) and look very Wraithlord-like.

Looks like it fits the Necron Night Scythe like a glove... Coincidence?

Perfect Organism wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Spoiler:

You saw it here first!

I was expecting something more like one of the Towering Destroyers, but the Bright Stallion would fit better on the oval base, wouldn't it?

I kinda like it, if done right Id consider buying one. Im all in for the plastic farseer, he will fit well in my fantasy skirmish games.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 pretre wrote:
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Eldar Rumors - April 2013

The pods on the wings of my drawing are the engines by the way, and yes, this fighter doesn't have a forked nose. Overall, the length of the Hemyock is a little longer than the Wave Serpant chassis, and the cockpit is located in the nose of this particular design. PENDING

Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

Oh the humanity.....
It needs bigger engines.

I'm holding out hope for two spherical engines throbbing with power.

Funny how the image embodies the companies personality. I guess "Nailed it" just doesn't do it justice.

 pretre wrote:
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Eldar Rumors - April 2013

The pods on the wings of my drawing are the engines by the way, and yes, this fighter doesn't have a forked nose. Overall, the length of the Hemyock is a little longer than the Wave Serpant chassis, and the cockpit is located in the nose of this particular design. PENDING

Oh, and I think you're all expecting the obligatory mega-walker. From the glance I got, it looks like a wraithlord scaled up to twice the height I guess. PENDING

I'm not gonna beat around the bush and just say what everyone's thinking, that looks like a phallus.

The fact that the crude drawing of the FirePrism+Nightwing looks like a penis isn't a surprise. Naftka already made that joke in the reveal. Moving on...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I'm not gonna beat around the bush

You should!

Such activity might result in you getting a realistic eldar flyer proxy to use in your games.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm holding out hope for two spherical engines throbbing with power.

You mean like this starship from a German Star Trek parody?

Can't wait for the release and more spoilers!

I will never field this flyer against a girl. Purely from how many inappropriate jokes I will be making when it shoots and lands a hit/wound.

Reminds me of the Centauri ships from babylon 5

GTKA666 wrote:
I will never field this flyer against a girl. Purely from how many inappropriate jokes I will be making when it shoots and lands a hit/wound.

Sure, and you never know when you're vehicle might explode before the game is done.

This is far more believable than Chaos getting a flying mechanical dragon- and almost certainly just as true. Also.... is Hemyock a typo, or a clever effort to get around the dakka censors?

Either way, the Nightwang remains a very stealthy aircraft, able to fly below any quality control groups.

Who wantsa some wang? Rumor has stated that the Eldar flyer looked like a crossbow. I hope they don't pooch this one. Maybe the new jet bikes will be awesome. Maybe they will even bring back harlequin bikes.

O...M....G.... When I read Night wang and saw that picture I literally was immobilized with laughter... I hope it has a web cannon.... Oh please say it has a web gun...

Murmaider wrote:
Can't wait for the release

Is GW doing a Full Release this time?

Or a vehicle-sized Vibro Cannon

Can we get off the phallic train here and back on topic?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Can we get off the phallic train here and back on topic?

I got off as soon as I saw it.

I'll bet it's more Klingon Bird of Prey, than phallus.

Then again, feel free to continue to judge an unreleased kit from a poorly drawn silhouette.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Can we get off the phallic train here and back on topic?

Pretty much.

And while it may or may not have been fun, time for us all to move on.

On topic from here on... or else...

Thanks!

Hopefully new sculpts for Dark reapers..

I find it odd there hasn't been much in the way of rumours for new aspect warrior sculpts.

Everytime I go by the Eldar section at my FLGS, I shed a single tear for those poor Eldar players stuck with finecast for every infantry model except guardians and dire avengers.

Truth be told, the Eldar could do with a Dark Eldar style revamp of the main line; they don't need a bunch new silly kits and giant wraithemperors or whatever it is that GW comes up with, just a decent ruleset and plastics instead of finecast. Those shiny new kits are only going to move so many kits when the rest of the army is hamstrung by shoddy kits. While FC isn't completely terrible with purpose-built molds and sculpts, these re purposed metals are a nightmare, and almost every Eldar player I know has opted to buy used metal asepct warriors over the finecast.

if GW wants to move some models, new plastics at a reasonable-by-GW pricepoint wit the same obvious talent and care that went into DE would be a godsend, at least to those people I know who play Eldar, or want to expand their armies.

But then the same logic holds true for most armies with old model ranges; Chaos players would likely prefer some new versions of their ancient special characters, Marines would likely care for some new basic troops, who today are more mold-line than actual model, and Guard players would like some updated troopers. Giant silly expensive kits with questionable aesthetics and battlefield performance, not so much.

[Mod Edit - You were warned not to... - Alpharius]

 MajorStoffer wrote:
if GW wants to move some models, new plastics at a reasonable-by-GW pricepoint wit the same obvious talent and care that went into DE would be a godsend, at least to those people I know who play Eldar, or want to expand their armies.

But then the same logic holds true for most armies with old model ranges; Chaos players would likely prefer some new versions of their ancient special characters, Marines would likely care for some new basic troops, who today are more mold-line than actual model, and Guard players would like some updated troopers. Giant silly expensive kits with questionable aesthetics and battlefield performance, not so much.

That's when you hit the "risk" portion of the industry, and GW has shown that it is actually incredibly risk-averse of late. A new kit, such as the Riptide, will enjoy fairly predictable sales because people both old and new will want it, and there's limited other ways of getting it (i.e. - almost none outside of heavy conversion work). Most of the past few releases have gone the route of "fewer boxes to more people" with big new units while there haven't been a great many "core" kits released. I think the only "update models" that have been released going back to October 2012 are the Raptors which as a dual kit for a new unit,is a stretch, Dragon Ogres, Pathfinders and Broadsides. In the upcoming release you could count the Shadow Warriors, though it's the same toss-up on "does it count?" as the Raptors since the kit will make a new unit too.

So, being generous, that there have been five "update to existing model" kits in eight months of releases shows where GW's focus is at the moment. They don't want the risk of people not buying models because they have "good enough" with the old models or buying the old models cheaper from someone looking to upgrade (as I have no doubt GW views this as a "lost" sale like most blinkered companies). It's not an unfounded fear, as dramatically altering an army's look will never go completely well. I'm sure there's people who lament the Dark Eldar release because they liked the old look. These people are crazy, of course, but they undoubtedly exist. Other armies would be far too cost-prohibitive to trade out every model so the players wouldn't, such as a flot-slog IG force. So, they would rather sell 1-2 boxes to 70-80% of the players of a given army than take a shot at selling 3-4 boxes (or more) to an unknowable percentage.

Would they make more money if they do it right? Sure, but that "if" in there seems as like it's going to scare them away, at least under their current leadership. Maybe the sales enjoyed by the Tau Pathfinders and Broadsides will convince GW to try a bit harder though.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Can we get off the phallic train here and back on topic?

Pretty much.

And while it may or may not have been fun, time for us all to move on.

On topic from here on... or else...

Thanks!

So... warnings have already been given.

Just so everyone knows...

 pities2004 wrote:
Hopefully new sculpts for Dark reapers..

I doubt it. Back when GW released sneak previews of their models, this was one of them. They're one of the most recently redone aspects, so they definitely wouldn't be a high priority for GW.

I reckon there's potential for dual kits for the aspect warriors, some combinations I could probably see working:

- Swooping Hawks & Howling Banshees
- Fire Dragons & Dark Reapers
- Fire Dragons & Striking Scorpions
- Fire Dragons & Warp Spiders
- Warp Spiders & Striking Scorpions
- Striking Scorpions & Howling Banshees (just)

Many of the existing aspect warrior kits seem to be quite similar in pose (although that could just be because most are so static), so dual kits could work IMHO. Whilst both CC, Scorpions and Banshees seem like an ill-fit to me: one's much more static and heavily armoured than the other.

 Krinsath wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
if GW wants to move some models, new plastics at a reasonable-by-GW pricepoint wit the same obvious talent and care that went into DE would be a godsend, at least to those people I know who play Eldar, or want to expand their armies.

But then the same logic holds true for most armies with old model ranges; Chaos players would likely prefer some new versions of their ancient special characters, Marines would likely care for some new basic troops, who today are more mold-line than actual model, and Guard players would like some updated troopers. Giant silly expensive kits with questionable aesthetics and battlefield performance, not so much.

That's when you hit the "risk" portion of the industry, and GW has shown that it is actually incredibly risk-averse of late. A new kit, such as the Riptide, will enjoy fairly predictable sales because people both old and new will want it, and there's limited other ways of getting it (i.e. - almost none outside of heavy conversion work). Most of the past few releases have gone the route of "fewer boxes to more people" with big new units while there haven't been a great many "core" kits released. I think the only "update models" that have been released going back to October 2012 are the Raptors which as a dual kit for a new unit,is a stretch, Dragon Ogres, Pathfinders and Broadsides. In the upcoming release you could count the Shadow Warriors, though it's the same toss-up on "does it count?" as the Raptors since the kit will make a new unit too.

So, being generous, that there have been five "update to existing model" kits in eight months of releases shows where GW's focus is at the moment. They don't want the risk of people not buying models because they have "good enough" with the old models or buying the old models cheaper from someone looking to upgrade (as I have no doubt GW views this as a "lost" sale like most blinkered companies). It's not an unfounded fear, as dramatically altering an army's look will never go completely well. I'm sure there's people who lament the Dark Eldar release because they liked the old look. These people are crazy, of course, but they undoubtedly exist. Other armies would be far too cost-prohibitive to trade out every model so the players wouldn't, such as a flot-slog IG force. So, they would rather sell 1-2 boxes to 70-80% of the players of a given army than take a shot at selling 3-4 boxes (or more) to an unknowable percentage.

Would they make more money if they do it right? Sure, but that "if" in there seems as like it's going to scare them away, at least under their current leadership. Maybe the sales enjoyed by the Tau Pathfinders and Broadsides will convince GW to try a bit harder though.

I don't know if I'd call it risk aversion so much as just marketing sense to sell the new stuff with the broadest appeal first and then save the refreshes for a later date. Maybe some of them will be released alongside future supplements, campaign books, etc. They probably should have been handling their releases this way for years, although 10 years ago they wouldn't have had so many of their bases covered already with plastic kits.

I don't play Eldar but I'm certainly looking forward to the new codex and the new stuff that will bring. They've historically been one of the more popular armies for 40K, and I suspect that they may become that again fairly quickly with a good codex. And I like all the codices for 6th edition so far. Others may disagree, but then YMMV as always.

It just seems that the focus on new big kits is at odds with GW's other business policies.

Generally speaking, they've presented the opinion that they seek to bring more people into the game; the purpose of their stores is increasingly to get people to start the game, and are increasingly less concerned with keeping them in it, with limited tablespace and whatnot.

So, if you're all about expanding your playerbase, and aren't terrible concerned with the older players who, in their opinion, don't buy much as they already have their armies, why leave most of an army in unattractive finecast?

Some of the armies are facing some very old sculpts, but I don't think any other army has as much of their line in expensive and limiting finecast; there's more yellow "Citadel Finecast" on the Eldar section than any other army. Raptors used to be finecast, and become the plastic multikit, as did several older kits. Finecast, by all accounts, is a transitory stage for actual units, with seemingly only characters doomed to remain in that medium. The quesiton is, then, how long will it be for the Eldar to get their enormous finecast range changed into something more palatable?

If this were even last year where codex releases were glacial, I'd assume that they'd get some plastic aspect warriors with one of the release waves, but now, with the constant run of codex/army book, when would they be updated if not with the codex? The only rumoured breaks are for Apoc and other supplements like that, more likely to produce missing vehicle kits or new superheavies, rather than core unit re-releases.

I quite like most of the Eldar sculpts that are out atm, sure, they could be made plastic, but they don't need a revamp. I think that Dark Reapers are really pretty models, same goes for nearly all of the others, apart from Warp Spiders, they are fairly dated now.

 Just Dave wrote:
I reckon there's potential for dual kits for the aspect warriors, some combinations I could probably see working:

Spoiler:

- Swooping Hawks & Howling Banshees
- Fire Dragons & Dark Reapers
- Fire Dragons & Striking Scorpions
- Fire Dragons & Warp Spiders
- Warp Spiders & Striking Scorpions
- Striking Scorpions & Howling Banshees (just)

Many of the existing aspect warrior kits seem to be quite similar in pose (although that could just be because most are so static), so dual kits could work IMHO. Whilst both CC, Scorpions and Banshees seem like an ill-fit to me: one's much more static and heavily armoured than the other.

I've often pondered this myself. I always hoped they would group them by armor level and do male and female torsos like the Dark Eldar

-Swooping Hawks and Howling Banshees - Light Armor, Leaping/flying legs
-Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions - Medium/Heavy armor, segmented plates and helmets
-Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers - Heavy Armor, posed bracing large weapons

Anyways, it's a thought.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I've often pondered this myself. I always hoped they would group them by armor level and do male and female torsos like the Dark Eldar

-Swooping Hawks and Howling Banshees - Light Armor, Leaping/flying legs
-Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions - Medium/Heavy armor, segmented plates and helmets
-Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers - Heavy Armor, posed bracing large weapons

Anyways, it's a thought.

I thought a similar thing, except that Scorpions and Spiders may work better together, as they could have somewhat static, somewhat mobile poses (e.g. between the static reapers and the leaping hawks/banshees); whilst Dragons and Reapers are both very static?

 gorgon wrote:
I don't know if I'd call it risk aversion so much as just marketing sense to sell the new stuff with the broadest appeal first and then save the refreshes for a later date. Maybe some of them will be released alongside future supplements, campaign books, etc. They probably should have been handling their releases this way for years, although 10 years ago they wouldn't have had so many of their bases covered already with plastic kits.

If this was a few months ago, I'd agree with you that it was just marketing. As time has gone on and GW has not updated kits in sore need and instead gone in favor of all-new kits it's become less likely that's the explanation. Throw in that two of five kits are a dual unit set and one of them was arguably one of the worst models to put together in any GW range and the picture looks starker still. I'd have to double-check this one further, but I don't recall a "core" unit getting a real update in a very long time, potentially coming up on a year. With so many kits out there coming up on a decade old, it really is time to update them but it'd be a big risk on if they will sell enough when there's multitudes of the existing unit out there.

I'd love to see the dual kits of aspect warriors that was theorized, but I don't see GW leaping to make that many kits happen when there's going to be a lot of "well, my howling banshees are fine, really" hold-outs, especially since they would likely be priced at $35 for 5. While I'm hoping they surprise me and do it, I'm not going to start holding my breath. My guess is they will instead make the WraithPony and flyer and some other characters, because those kits will sell a nice, predictable number.

To me it looks like GW desires predictability much more than profit, which would align with a lot of what GW has been doing of late.

In truth, as I might have mentioned before, before we wishlist in vain we should recognize what currently exists in our codex that has still kept up with the power curve.

I dread plastic aspect warriors.

If GW wanted to do them well, they could. It would be like the Dire Avengers- each one is a single kit for a single aspect, characterfully customized with interesting bits that fit their motifs. And as we've all seen in the High Elves, that's not what GW will do.

We'll likely get dual kits, dual kits that require GW to blandify everything or horrifically mix male/female sculpts into one single frame because elves don't have to have coherent body shape, and because giving us a mediocre kit that we're stuck with for the next decade or so is all the rage these days, it seems.

No, I don't want to see them even attempt plastic aspects. Even if it means getting stuck with Finecast.

I might be in the minority here but I think all of the following look good;

Scorpions; the "predator dreadlocks" (sensor cables) are kewl.
Reapers; 3rd ed. and 4th ed. look good but NOT the 2nd ed. cone heads.
Dragons; 3rd ed. are good but, 4th ed. are awesome.
Rangers; 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
Banshees; 3rd ed. look good but, 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
Wraithlords; 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
War Walkers; 4th ed. models look good, current codex they ARE good.
Fire Prism; I like either model and, one of the best entries in the current codex.

Farseers; awesome to use, look good, look great if you kit bash.
Jetbikes; awesome to use, look good EXCEPT for the klan-hoods they wear. Swap out heads with spare 4th ed. Guardian helmets and they look sleek

RancidHate wrote:
I might be in the minority here but I think all of the following look good;

Scorpions; the "predator dreadlocks" (sensor cables) are kewl.
Reapers; 3rd ed. and 4th ed. look good but NOT the 2nd ed. cone heads.
Dragons; 3rd ed. are good but, 4th ed. are awesome.
Rangers; 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
Banshees; 3rd ed. look good but, 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
Wraithlords; 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
War Walkers; 4th ed. models look good, current codex they ARE good.
Fire Prism; I like either model and, one of the best entries in the current codex.

Farseers; awesome to use, look good, look great if you kit bash.
Jetbikes; awesome to use, look good EXCEPT for the klan-hoods they wear. Swap out heads with spare 4th ed. Guardian helmets and they look sleek

You aren't alone there mate!

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

RancidHate wrote:
I might be in the minority here but I think all of the following look good;

Scorpions; the "predator dreadlocks" (sensor cables) are kewl.
Reapers; 3rd ed. and 4th ed. look good but NOT the 2nd ed. cone heads.
Dragons; 3rd ed. are good but, 4th ed. are awesome.
Rangers; 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
Banshees; 3rd ed. look good but, 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
Wraithlords; 4th ed. look awesome, too bad they suck.
War Walkers; 4th ed. models look good, current codex they ARE good.
Fire Prism; I like either model and, one of the best entries in the current codex.

Farseers; awesome to use, look good, look great if you kit bash.
Jetbikes; awesome to use, look good EXCEPT for the klan-hoods they wear. Swap out heads with spare 4th ed. Guardian helmets and they look sleek

You aren't alone there mate!

Seconded, the current range of models is awesome. I really hope they don't go the way of dual-kits, as pointed out before that would doubtless leave each Aspect looking less unique and making the whole range less interesting. As for not buying new ones, if they made plastic kits and the rules were good, I'd definitely buy in. Aside from Avengers and Spiders, the most I have of a single Aspect is one box, so 5-6 guys. I'd definitely be willing to buy into more if they made having more useful.

Since the current boxes offer just 1 Exarch option, there's little reason to buy them.
I wanted the Striking Scorpions, to go with the old power-fist version I have, but that's all the box comes with. If not, they don't mention there's more in the box than the pictures suggest.
I'll stick with the CHS exarch then, and get ebay troops.

So, if dual-kits offer more options, I'll get a box, just for them, and model up as many exarchs as I can from that 1 box.
Otherwise, ebay and kitbashes and conversions.

If GW were smart (and ruthless) they'd make a plastic autarch kit that had all the missing weapon options from the exarchs. Then you'd have to buy the autarch just to get the exarchs you wanted.

From what I've seen with my own eyes, the following Exarchs do come with multiple options, but they are typically very limited;
The model weapon range appears limited because Exarch options are relatively simple.

Banshees: Exarch can be equipped with Mirror Swords (a power sword in each hand) or the 2-handed Executioner (halberd)

Scorpions: Exarch can have the Biting Blade (large 2-handed chainsword) or the Scorpion Claw (looks like a power fist with an in-built short-barreled shuriken catapault)

Dire Avengers: Exarch on a plastic kit that can have all the fix-ins. 2x Guns? Check. Power Weapon + Shimmershiled? Check. Diresword? Check.

Dragons: Exacrh pick Heavy Flamer or 18" Melta. Simple.


Farseers: they need to have alternate arms so you can do Witchblade + Pistol or 2-handed Singing Spear or something. I'll post a pic of my slightly kit-bashed CC Farseer (back when withcblades helped against Dreadnoughts and such)

Thinking about building an Eldar army and I'm wondering what is safe to buy and paint now (ie wont be updated in the next couple months).

Does this list look right to you? Or can anyone see some more of these being updated or changed?

Avatar - Same
Farseer - UPDATE
Autarch - UPDATE
Eldrad Ulthran - Same
Prince Yriel - Same
Phoenix Lords - Same
Warlock - Same
Wave Serpent - Same
Striking Scorpions - Same
Harlequin Death Jester - Same
Harlequin Shadowseer - Same
Howling Banshees - Same
Fire Dragons - Same
Harlequin Troupe - Same
Wraithguard - UPDATE
Dire Avengers - Same
Jetbike - UPDATE
Guardians - Same
Rangers - Same
Warp Spiders - UPDATE
Swooping Hawks - Same
Vyper Jetbike - Same
Fire Prism - Same
Falcon - Same
Wraithlord - Same
War Walker - Same
Dark Reapers - Same
Support Weapon - Same

First post has a rather dubious rumor from Kirby re what is being redone/etc:

Here's what I've been told re: boxes. No rules.

plastic Warpspiders/Everguard
plastic Skycharriots/Shining Spears
plastic Phantomwaechter - these might be the shadow spectres?
plastic Jetbikes
plastic Wraithguard/Cataphracts
plastic flyer combi-kit - The flyer is pretty large and has a crossbow shape, two canopies, one fin. The main variant on the cover has some lances and a large dorsal distort cannon. The other variant has extra downward/sideway thrusters, but I don’t remember if it has a different weapon loadout.
plastic phoenix lord niadhau - For Shining Spears, appears to be on a Vyper jetbike.
plastic webway gate
resin box Avatar
resin Black Warden - The Black Warden looks like an female Autarch. She has a shurikencatapult and a feathered guardian helm with an eye on it.
resin Dire Avenger Xentarch - Appears to be a new English name for Exarch?
resin Howling Banshee Xentarch
resin Fire Dragon Xentarch
resin Striking Scorpion Xentarch
resin box Dragon Riders
resin box Eldritch Raiders - They look like guardians but have no helms and wear scarfs around the lower head and swashbuckle belts. They are very individually equipped, have all sorts blades, pistols and/or rifles. (potentially Storm Guardians?)
resin box Halcones Cazadores
resin Warlock

I don't know what to think about all those rumors from around that time period -- the Eldar mini descriptions, the big release list, and even pancake edition. It's hard to imagine people investing that kind of effort into fooling some people on the internet for no real payoff. Yet pancake was either an early, discarded GW effort or an outright fake. The release list now looks to be a flat-out fabrication, and that Eldar list seems to be overly lengthy with too many "re-dos" compared to what we've seen from the 6th edition releases so far.

My current best theory is that all these things are real in a sense -- they just slipped into our reality from an alternate universe next door.

no way they make dragon riders in resin, so the list is definitively fake. Shame since it look pretty cool

 pretre wrote:
First post has a rumor from Kirby re what is being redone/etc:

Here's what I've been told re: boxes. No rules.

plastic Warpspiders/Everguard
plastic Skycharriots/Shining Spears
plastic Phantomwaechter - these might be the shadow spectres?
plastic Jetbikes
plastic Wraithguard/Cataphracts
plastic flyer combi-kit - The flyer is pretty large and has a crossbow shape, two canopies, one fin. The main variant on the cover has some lances and a large dorsal distort cannon. The other variant has extra downward/sideway thrusters, but I don’t remember if it has a different weapon loadout.
plastic phoenix lord niadhau - For Shining Spears, appears to be on a Vyper jetbike.
plastic webway gate
resin box Avatar
resin Black Warden - The Black Warden looks like an female Autarch. She has a shurikencatapult and a feathered guardian helm with an eye on it.
resin Dire Avenger Xentarch - Appears to be a new English name for Exarch?
resin Howling Banshee Xentarch
resin Fire Dragon Xentarch
resin Striking Scorpion Xentarch
resin box Dragon Riders
resin box Eldritch Raiders - They look like guardians but have no helms and wear scarfs around the lower head and swashbuckle belts. They are very individually equipped, have all sorts blades, pistols and/or rifles. (potentially Storm Guardians?)
resin box Halcones Cazadores
resin Warlock

Wow, that's quite a lot of new things. Of course, much in the Eldar range is pretty old (though not necessarily bad - them old 2nd Ed. Jes Goodwin sculpts hold up pretty decently, actually).

Speaking of, do we have any idea who might be working on these? Is Jes Goodwin involved? I sure hope so - if he is that would almost certainly suck me in to picking up at least a few things, to make a little Eldar force (famous last words, I know). I still have some neato Dark Eldar bits laying around from my (sold off) Dark Eldar army, so I'd already have some good conversion fodder, especially if the above is an accurate list of the new stuff on its way. So many new plastic kits would be a real boon to converting (to say nothing of the many good plastic kits the Eldar already have).

I definitely hope to see plastic Aspect Warriors. They were always a favorite of mine, from back in the 2nd Ed. days.

Curious about this though:

 pretre wrote:
First post has a rumor from Kirby re what is being redone/etc:

Here's what I've been told re: boxes. No rules.

plastic Warpspiders/Everguard

What are the "Everguard"?

-C6


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streetsamurai wrote:
no way they make dragon riders in resin, so the list is definitively fake. Shame since it look pretty cool

Now, normally, I'd totally agree. But with the crazy things that GW has been putting out more recently, it seems like pretty much anything (except exactly what everyone desperately wants) is possible, and unusual things are probable...

Is that the complete Eldar release list for the next 12 years?
Or just a copy paste of the old so called release list of GW that "leaked" a year ago?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Is that the complete Eldar release list for the next 12 years?
Or just a copy paste of the old so called release list of GW that "leaked" a year ago?

That was from when Kirby said he saw [strikethrough]god[/strikethrough] the Eldar codex. As someone mentioned, it was a rather dubious rumor at the time and I have a feeling Kirby will be feeling rather awkward about it in a month or so.

I posted it more as a tongue-in-cheek list than anything else. I'll edit the post to make it more clear.

So do we have any solid rumors/idea who's writting the new codex?!

If it's Ward, then considering what he's given HE's, I'm expecting a new Relic that;
- Gives all units within 6" a 4+ Deny the Witch roll
- Gives all units within 6" a 2++ against all attacks made by models with the Daemon USR

(sorry, Daemon player here who can't resist the idea that my other codex book will be completely neutered by the very next 40k release!)

@catharsix "What are the "Everguard"?


From the Eldar codex they look like CW/portal guard, appearance wise they look like a mix between Dire avengers and a farseer/warlock. In the codex there's a page with a point of view picture of a CW, and a numbered guide to what you see in the pic. One of the number focus points are Everguard, if I'm not mistaken.

They look pretty cool and wouldnt mind having a unit or two of them. Although if they are mixed in a dual kit with warp spiders, I don't see them looking anything like the picture. :(

Experiment 626 wrote:
So do we have any solid rumors/idea who's writting the new codex?!

If it's Ward, then considering what he's given HE's, I'm expecting a new Relic that;
- Gives all units within 6" a 4+ Deny the Witch roll
- Gives all units within 6" a 2++ against all attacks made by models with the Daemon USR

(sorry, Daemon player here who can't resist the idea that my other codex book will be completely neutered by the very next 40k release!)

The rumours I'd heard were that Phil Kelly was doing the new 'dex. No idea if it's true though.

It would be unusual for an author to write the revision of his old Codex. And 2 years or so ago, Phil Kelly was quoted that he would hate to become the Eldar guy. Still I would love to have the Kelly/Goodwin team on Eldar again. Did Cruddace have any release the past 6 months?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Did Cruddace have any release the past 6 months?

Yeah, Cruddace co-wrote Daemons with Kelly. So far in 6th we've had Kelly, Vetock, Cruddace/Kelly, Vetock. Nothing yet from Ward, and nothing solo from Cruddace.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Did Cruddace have any release the past 6 months?

Yeah, Cruddace co-wrote Daemons with Kelly. So far in 6th we've had Kelly, Vetock, Cruddace/Kelly, Vetock. Nothing yet from Ward, and nothing solo from Cruddace.

Ward's done Fantasy Daemons and now High Elves, which have basically just deleted Daemons from the game!

Excited for Eldar, baby!

My Black Templars need some Allies!

Eldar allies to Black Templars?

Heresy! Why would the most devout witch haters of the marine chapters ally with the most obviously witch like alien race in the galaxy?

Seriously, these rumours sound cool and I am so excited for this codex!

Stopped by my local GW store and the staff there were not convinced by the rumours that an Eldar codex would be a June release. They thought the track record showed few releases in June-July, so they thought maybe a September release. Food for thought?

Not in the slightest. They know less than us, and would deny knowing even that much.

A local GW bod thought it was due soon, so we'll see.

I'm so excited about this release. Although the amount of new kits that "will be released" according to the rumours seems too many new kits to be real.

The Eldar walkers have always caught my attention and I cant wait to see this new big walker wraithguard thing.

Slightly off topic but is there any new rumour compilation thread? What is supposed to be after Eldar? Sorry for the off topic question, the only time ill mention it.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
The Eldar walkers have always caught my attention and I cant wait to see this new big walker wraithguard thing.

Slightly off topic but is there any new rumour compilation thread? What is supposed to be after Eldar? Sorry for the off topic question, the only time ill mention it.

Before it went down Faeit 212 said that C:SM was next on the list.

 warpspider89 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
The Eldar walkers have always caught my attention and I cant wait to see this new big walker wraithguard thing.

Slightly off topic but is there any new rumour compilation thread? What is supposed to be after Eldar? Sorry for the off topic question, the only time ill mention it.

Before it went down Faeit 212 said that C:SM was next on the list.

This has gone round a few times. It is between Eldar and Space Marines. Most point to Eldar and some point to C:SM. Personally, I hope it is Eldar. Because I can't help myself with new Marine stuff and I really don't have the money right now.

pizzaguardian wrote:I'm so excited about this release. Although the amount of new kits that "will be released" according to the rumours seems too many new kits to be real.

The only things I would expect are plastic Jet Bikes (with probably the Shining Spears as dual kit), plastic Wraithguard with a CC variant as dual kit, the new giant Wraith Construct with shooty and CC variants and a flyer (with possible fighter and bomber variant dual kit) for the big plastic kits, and then the plastic Farseer and some finecast characters as blisters. Those are the only models that have been confirmed by the more trusty rumour mongers such as Hastings, and seems in line with the other 6th Edition releases so far (3-4 plastic kits of which lots of are dual kits, 1 plastic character and a handful of finecast models).

unmercifulconker wrote:Slightly off topic but is there any new rumour compilation thread? What is supposed to be after Eldar?

For 40k the current rumours seem to indicate something in the trend of:
Eldar next month -> Apocalypse in the summer -> Space Marines late this year -> Tyranids -> Imperial Guard -> Orks, with the order of the last 3 hazy.

Sweet thanks guys.

stormboy wrote:

 warpspider89 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
The Eldar walkers have always caught my attention and I cant wait to see this new big walker wraithguard thing.

Slightly off topic but is there any new rumour compilation thread? What is supposed to be after Eldar? Sorry for the off topic question, the only time ill mention it.

Before it went down Faeit 212 said that C:SM was next on the list.

This has gone round a few times. It is between Eldar and Space Marines. Most point to Eldar and some point to C:SM. Personally, I hope it is Eldar. Because I can't help myself with new Marine stuff and I really don't have the money right now.

More importantly, hastings says that Eldar are next. He is MUCH more reliable than Natfka was.

Our dear departed Naftka, may his blog rest in piece.

I don't even play Eldar and I'm looking forward to this release. There's so many models that need remakes and the new aesthetic that GW's stuff seems to have fits Eldar pretty well. Looking forward to seeing the stuff.

 Shandara wrote:
Our dear departed Naftka, may his blog rest in piece.

Did you mean "peace" or "pieces"

 Redemption wrote:

The only things I would expect are plastic Jet Bikes (with probably the Shining Spears as dual kit).

I would be amazed. Amazed! if Guardian jetbikes are updated and shining spears are not.

It is pretty simple - the shining spears box is the guardian jetbike box with upgrade bits. It is the same kit. If they update just GJBs without shining spears, they still have to retain the old plastic kit, because the shining spears aspect warrior drivers won't fit on a new bike.

Makes no sense to do all the work of making a new jetbike kit without also doing the extra work of making the shining spears bike-rider bodies for the shining spears kits.

we'll either get both shining spears and GJB updated, or neither.

On other models,

wraithguard need a new kit. 1/15$ and the boring poses. no good.

warp spiders are the only aspect warrior i think need a new sculpt. All the rest are fantastic. I just wish they were worth fielding.

Guardians could use a new one, but I doubt we'll get one, since they're in plastic already.

Vypers don't need one, but there was that vyper-chariot rumor...

All in all, i'm mostly OK with the eldar range, I'm super-out-of-my-mind excited for an update which makes more of the codex viable, so i can have some freaking variation in my armies.

The other possibility is that Shining Spears won't still be riding jetbikes in the next codex. Several rumours have suggested that they will be riding Vyper sized models which use the chariot rules (ala Fireheart the Saim-Hain character from previous codex). But either way its a safe bet that they are getting a rework, the Eldar jetbike has been in the works since Jes started working on Dark Eldar and they won't leave Shining Spears on the old bikes.

The current Guardians are alright looking. Way better than the old ones. I'd personally rather see the Striking Scorpions and Swooping Hawks updated to plastics.

I agree Gwyidion --
I would love to see plastic wraith guard-- I could finally put together a wraith army!! I have 5 metals now that have taken almost 8 years to collect--i get em when i get the extra cash.
A plastic set would be SWEET!!
And as far as the Aspect Warriors are concerned, as long as new players dont have to buy FineCrap, im okay with just about any sculpt they make. After the garbage from Juan Diaz back in 3rd ed, anything is an improvement!
And a new sculpts for the Vypers and Jetbikes would be really nice.
But as with most of the rest of us, I am anxiously awaiting the codex.
Wish list unit would be : Exodite Dragon Knights!!! Ive still got my boys from 2nd ed and would LOVE to have a tournament legal listing for them.

<TV Voice>
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</TV Voice>

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I wanna help some people out, this ain't my site but, I hope you like it as much as I did.

RancidHate wrote:

<TV Voice>
Are you a Xenos player tired of Imperial Aegis Defense Lines? Would you like something that suits your army's flavor? Well then we have resin casts for you.
</TV Voice>

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-linked-barricades/

I wanna help some people out, this ain't my site but, I hope you like it as much as I did.

Those are actually pretty fantastic. I really like how they fit with the rules more... I may upgrade from my GW ork barricades to this for tourney usage.

Let's see dem quadgunz!

Re: new Vypers, I would think it to be highly likely that they'll get a new release simply because the Dark Eldar Venom basically *is* a Vyper. If the rumors about Nuadu and Shining Spears are true (that they're riding Vyper equivalents) I expect it will look something very much like my Farseer jetbike conversion.

RancidHate wrote:

<TV Voice>
Are you a Xenos player tired of Imperial Aegis Defense Lines? Would you like something that suits your army's flavor? Well then we have resin casts for you.
</TV Voice>

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-linked-barricades/

I wanna help some people out, this ain't my site but, I hope you like it as much as I did.

o I saw those on the adepticon videos. They look great.

Do you guys think falcons will ever be dedicated transports? I know they are for corsairs but for craftworlders it would be definitely on my wishlist

Would it even be balanced?

 HiddenPower wrote:
Do you guys think falcons will ever be dedicated transports? I know they are for corsairs but for craftworlders it would be definitely on my wishlist

Would it even be balanced?

Falcons are basically the Eldar analogue to the Razorback. It's really likely.

 HiddenPower wrote:
Do you guys think falcons will ever be dedicated transports? I know they are for corsairs but for craftworlders it would be definitely on my wishlist

Would it even be balanced?

Anything can be balanced if costed correctly. I don't see much of a problem with them going the DT route, it's Eldar's version of the Razorback. Obviously much more expensive due to AV12 and Fast Skimmer, but not too overpowered. Realistically, you wouldn't see all that many Falcons in a list if they were DT's as to fit lots of them, you need lots of 6-man ground troops, which currently, aside from Fire Dragons, aren't enough to get much of anything done. So it forces you to make the trade-off between effective infantry and armor saturation, which I believe is a good option to have.

I would like to see plastic aspect kits,just not 2 aspects in 1 box.And if they could include more weapon options for the exarchs,that would be very cool.

Also,plastic wraithguard would be very good to see,plus maybe a range increase in their weapons.

What is the best way to screw over Eldar? Not giving us a codex till 7th edition...if there ever is one.

As for the falcon I hope it becomes a tank full on Tank imho. Reasons? WS is def getting a point reduction and the shield isgodly so why do we need another transport? I would also only take the Falcon if they give it permanent weapons (BL instead of pulse and maybe another BL not TL?) That would make it a fast as hell tank killer and would make it worth the 115 pts.

Anticipation for this release is killing me. Can't wait for this. Hopping for solid leaks

I am hearing Rumors that the MC will be one four legs.

I think Eldar are going to be huge. Want to see how may miniatures they will be revamping

So wait, is that a guy farseer or a lady?

It'd probably be easier to tell if it was put together, heh.

I admit, I still associate Farseers with female Eldar, given the Dawn of War series. But GW hasn't produced one yet to my knowledge.

 Melissia wrote:
So wait, is that a guy farseer or a lady?

It'd probably be easier to tell if it was put together, heh.

I admit, I still associate Farseers with female Eldar, given the Dawn of War series. But GW hasn't produced one yet to my knowledge.

Strikes me as rather odd that they haven't yet, even without Dawn of War's substantial influence, the fluff regularly refers to female farseers. Though with space elves, it's not exactly easy to tell at a glance.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I am hearing Rumors that the MC will be one four legs.

Is it pink and whinnies?

I see hotsauce has the leaked promo pic as his profile photo.

No, It is the bright stallion

Where do people go for leaks now that Naftka is gone?

Leeks wont be for another week

I REALLY hope it's not the Bright Stallion. I just don't dig that design, and can't see them being able to update it into something that I WOULD want..

MakesKidsKill wrote:
Where do people go for leaks now that Naftka is gone?

We invent our own fake rumours

More seriously: Dakka. You get the same info about as fast but with the crap filtered out.

If they bring the bright stallion, I would forgive (partially) GW for the specialist game situation. Man would it be cool.
I'm really pumped for this release, hope that they treat it as a complete makeover, a la necron and DE, and not just add a few random units.

 Melissia wrote:
So wait, is that a guy farseer or a lady?

It'd probably be easier to tell if it was put together, heh.

I admit, I still associate Farseers with female Eldar, given the Dawn of War series. But GW hasn't produced one yet to my knowledge.

Same here. However, given the GW's hate of women, the Farseer's probably going to either be male or indistinguishable.

I am fine with indistinguishable.

And i would actually love to have not one , but at least 2 ponies in my eldar army.

 ergotoxin wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
So wait, is that a guy farseer or a lady?

It'd probably be easier to tell if it was put together, heh.

I admit, I still associate Farseers with female Eldar, given the Dawn of War series. But GW hasn't produced one yet to my knowledge.

Same here. However, given the GW's hate of women, the Farseer's probably going to either be male or indistinguishable.

There actually WAS a female Farseer released at one point in time... ironically enough for Necromunda.

EDIT: wait, never mind, I might be wrong about the gender of that one. Looking into it more. I always thought it had been billed as a woman...

 Magc8Ball wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
So wait, is that a guy farseer or a lady?

It'd probably be easier to tell if it was put together, heh.

I admit, I still associate Farseers with female Eldar, given the Dawn of War series. But GW hasn't produced one yet to my knowledge.

Same here. However, given the GW's hate of women, the Farseer's probably going to either be male or indistinguishable.

There actually WAS a female Farseer released at one point in time... ironically enough for Necromunda.

EDIT: wait, never mind, I might be wrong about the gender of that one. Looking into it more. I always thought it had been billed as a woman...

You were close, it was actually an unreleased Juan sculpt of Iyanna from the 3rd Edition CWE Codex. Typically if you can find one, they go for around the $400 mark. I know someone who has the model, but can't part with that kind of cash... yet. http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/File:Unreleased_-_Eldar_Farseer_1.jpg

Oh and Mr.Mardawn (The Necromunda Farseer you spoke of) had an awesome "rage quit, table flip" ability, in that if the chosen model he was headhunting was killed... he went apes*&t, casting a massive psychic storm which immediately ended the game.

wait, there was a farseer in necormunda.

Where did they release the rule for him ??

Yup, he had two Fire Dragon body guards as well, as a matter of fact he sits on my monitor stand right in front of me as I type this. I believe GW still has the rules up on their site, if not... a quick google will come up with them

I'm impatient for pics/rule details

Bizzare, I have no recollection of those Eldar Knights. Fairly certain I'd remember an Eldar horse, but there you go.

Lol, there will be all kinds of interesting discussions if they go for the "Bright Stallion" design.

How do I see this on BoLS and not here? Did I miss it, and it was mentioned already? If so, I will delete and sorry.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/05/40k-rumors-eldar-latest-tidbits.html

From BoLS.


Here's the latest word from the birds in the trees...


The Dark Reaper Exarch regains a classic weapon option from the days of yore. HINT, HINT - it involves skulls and chain.

Aspect Warriors are moving to plastic using the "combo-unit" dual-build format GW has moved to of late. We'll leave it up to you to guess which aspects could be paired off into combo-kit boxes with differing heads/weapon options.

The new Eldar flyer is quite curved in nature, with sweeping lines all about. A real head turner.

The new Eldar "big kit" is a wraith construct that shares numerous design cues with the current War Walker - but much larger. A "virtual" beast...

Eldar keep thier distance from Tau from an overall design theme. They will be the masters of maneuver and outright speed. Look for multiple options and units types for jetbikes including up-armored and even faster versions. Jetbikes as a family may well become the staple hallmark of the army. They will come in multiple flavors with both anti-personnel and anti-armor types.

FOC wise, look for a whole lot of jumping about of units between the HEAVY SUPPORT, FAST ATTACK, and ELITES slots. There will be difficult player decisions to be made in those areas.

My wife is going to kill me in my sleep...

Myth KS, then Robotech KS, then Deadzone KS, and then Eldar....

Although a couple flyers and anything I find interesting should sort me out. I own every Eldar in production and a many that aren't.

Now, should I paint my new "big kit" as Rainbow Dash or Donkey from Shrek?

With plastic aspects being rumored, there are way too many new kits being rumored now. Not even the Dark Eldar line had this many new kits. Then again, the Eldar have been in planning and development at least since 2006 or so with that "new" jetbike model.
It's to be expected that many of these rumors will just end up being untrue.

Edit: Also, in before the next tangent of Round 3 (or 4) of people guessing what aspects will be combined into boxed sets.

This is going to be a huge plastic release for GW. Even the Codex is being done in plastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is going to be a huge plastic release for GW. Even the Codex is being done in plastic.

Finally, a LE Codex I can get behind!

Do you know if there will be a "How to Paint Your Eldar Codex" follow-up release?

 TalonZahn wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is going to be a huge plastic release for GW. Even the Codex is being done in plastic.

Finally, a LE Codex I can get behind!

Do you know if there will be a "How to Paint Your Eldar Codex" follow-up release?

Yeah in Rainbow

 TalonZahn wrote:
Do you know if there will be a "How to Paint Your Eldar Codex" follow-up release?

Ahaha! Nice one.

Imagine if there was a miscast and you couldn't tell what the points value for something was.


Sorry, I'm dragging this off topic. I'll stop now.

This sounds exciting if it delivers that much plastic crack! Although I don't think I'll be a big fan of a...a.....MC pony. However if the new flyer is as sexy as it sounds, (not the top down view....) I'll be looking at getting a squadron!

 TalonZahn wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is going to be a huge plastic release for GW. Even the Codex is being done in plastic.

Finally, a LE Codex I can get behind!

Do you know if there will be a "How to Paint Your Eldar Codex" follow-up release?

Well wait till you see the ebook version...

If the Eldar become the 'masters of outright speed' i'll be a little ticked off, as that's supposed to be the DE's thing.

Not that i'd be surprised if they do get it, as the DE have already lost most of their vaunted speed with the edition change, and won't be updated again for another decade...

I had a thought, tonight. A lot of what seems to be fueling the Bright Stallion talk is the discussion of the big wraith/piloted construct as having digitigrade type legs. Some have suggested that, rather than the Bright Stallion, it may be one of the Fire Gale type of Eldar Knight:



Some of the rumors, though, point to a big walker that has a stance and/or visual cues from War Walkers, which none of those really do.

So, I got to thinking...what if they took inspiration from a LARGER Eldar walker whose design they've radically changed. Took the old design, shrunk it to fill a Knight type slot, refined it to more modern Eldar styling.

Something like this:



With the large weapon arms like that, as well as the digitigrade legs, I could easily see how a model which takes its visual cues from the old Revenant might be thought most similar to a current War Walker, and it would be an interesting nod to the older designs without being stepping on the current Revenant's toes.

Yeah, if it was one of those then its as good a paid for, although if it is the knight thingy I'll be looking for possibilities to make it into a mini-titan with 2 legs before buying.

I think they would shift a lot more if it was based on the Fire Gale.

BoLS wrote:Aspect Warriors are moving to plastic using the "combo-unit" dual-build format GW has moved to of late. We'll leave it up to you to guess which aspects could be paired off into combo-kit boxes with differing heads/weapon options.

My guess: Banshees will look like dudes

Those BoLS rumors just look like vague statements and likely changes.

And they are probably wrong about the skull chain and dual aspect kit.

Probably just going to be:
Jetbikes
Wraithguard/CC alternate
Big Wraith Construct
Flyer

Then a few characters/finecast units.

That's about how big releases have been recently. 4 plastic kits, maybe a finecast unit, and some characters.

I agree regarding model release.

 Red Viper wrote:
Those BoLS rumors just look like vague statements and likely changes.

And they are probably wrong about the skull chain and dual aspect kit.

Probably just going to be:
Jetbikes
Wraithguard/CC alternate
Big Wraith Construct
Flyer

Then a few characters/finecast units.

That's about how big releases have been recently. 4 plastic kits, maybe a finecast unit, and some characters.

The Web of Skulls Dark Reaper wargear was strange even in 2nd. Why would an aspect specialising in long range fire support have a close combat weapon!

The Web of Skulls Dark Reaper wargear was strange even in 2nd. Why would an aspect specialising in long range fire support have a close combat weapon!

The Web of Skulls was also a weapon that could be thrown. Back in 2nd Edition it was an awesome piece of wargear. Lastly, back in 2nd edition...Exarchs were HQ choices and were independent characters. They were not tied to any particular squad.

 Kroothawk wrote:

BoLS wrote:Aspect Warriors are moving to plastic using the "combo-unit" dual-build format GW has moved to of late. We'll leave it up to you to guess which aspects could be paired off into combo-kit boxes with differing heads/weapon options.

My guess: Banshees will look like dudes

Howling Banshees have a set look. Some of them are even males, but you cannot tell because there's a full faced helmet and a body suit with female characteristics involved.

This isn't like the Sisters of Avelorn, where you have two very precise delineations (Shadow Warriors have helmets, Sisters of Avelorn have bare heads with circlets). Combination kits for the Aspect Warriors make more sense than not, given that most of the "Elite" choices share a very similar bodysuit for their armor.

My main issue with a dual aspect kit is that the 5th edition models are very good and I see no reason to redo them. Of course, the models that haven't been redone could use new kits.

My main issue with a dual aspect kit is that the 5th edition models are very good and I see no reason to redo them. Of course, the models that haven't been redone could use new kits.

I agree that they look good, but I'd rather have them in plastic rather than failcast every day of the week and twice on sunday.

I agree on the finecast but I don't think GW will agree on redoing models that look good and are already in finecast unfortunately.

 Kirasu wrote:
I agree on the finecast but I don't think GW will agree on redoing models that look good and are already in finecast unfortunately.

Their main push is to make everything plastic. Given the amount of quality control/returns they have had with the Finecast Eldar (I'm singling them out specifically, due to all the thin joins and the fact they weren't initially made for Finecast) it seems like plastic is definitely the long term solution. I assume there will be some kind of redesign of an aspect or two to make combo-kits work.

 Kirasu wrote:
I agree on the finecast but I don't think GW will agree on redoing models that look good and are already in finecast unfortunately.

Considering that the Shadow Warrior plastic box replaced a metal/Finecast box which came out with the last High Elf army book?

I think they're okay with it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

BoLS wrote:Aspect Warriors are moving to plastic using the "combo-unit" dual-build format GW has moved to of late. We'll leave it up to you to guess which aspects could be paired off into combo-kit boxes with differing heads/weapon options.

My guess: Banshees will look like dudes

Howling Banshees have a set look. Some of them are even males, but you cannot tell because there's a full faced helmet and a body suit with female characteristics involved.

This isn't like the Sisters of Avelorn, where you have two very precise delineations (Shadow Warriors have helmets, Sisters of Avelorn have bare heads with circlets). Combination kits for the Aspect Warriors make more sense than not, given that most of the "Elite" choices share a very similar bodysuit for their armor.

I'm still not getting why people keep on with the bit about Sisters of Avelorn supposedly looking like men. All they share with the Shadow Warrior miniatures is the legs, which are wearing high boots and scale mail skirting. Everything from the waist up is different, and with that kind of boot and an armor that covers the rest of the leg, male and female would look just about the same anyway.

The only thing that gives me hope of plastic aspects is simply how little of Eldar Elite/FA is plastic. Comparing the new Tau range:

(Parens is Infantry)
Tau Plastic
HQ - 1 (1)
Elite - 3 (2)
Troops - 2 (2)
Fast Attack - 3 (1)
Heavy Support - 2 (1)

Eldar Plastic
HQ - 0 (0)
Elite - 0 (0)
Troops - 3 (3)
Fast Attack - 1 (0)
Heavy Support - 5 (1)

Eldar have one non-Troop plastic infantry - Support Weapons. It's really sad.

IF the rumors that either the Autarch or "Xentarch" can make aspect warriors able to fill the compulsory troop slots (so, generally, up to two squads of aspects as troops for most games), then the idea of plastic aspect (possibly dual) become a bit easier to believe. I'd think they'd expect to sell more squads, if they open up the capability to field more of them.

In a couple weeks, we'll likely know.

While it would be nice to see more eldar models get updated to plastic, I don't think it will happen straight away as the models are already available in finecast.

That being said, it did happen with chaos raptors, though I suspect that was because they made them as a combo box with a new unit (warp talons).

Plus, I already have most of the aspect warriors I am ever going to need and don't feel like replacing them anytime soon.

The only resin - plastic conversion I am really looking for is Wraithguard. Plus a squad box of jetbikes instead of singular.

Also I can't wait for the new codex. With the general calibre of the 6th edition releases thus far, it should be epic!

Quark wrote:
The only thing that gives me hope of plastic aspects is simply how little of Eldar Elite/FA is plastic. Comparing the new Tau range:

(Parens is Infantry)
Tau Plastic
HQ - 1 (1)
Elite - 3 (2)
Troops - 2 (2)
Fast Attack - 3 (1)
Heavy Support - 2 (1)

Eldar Plastic
HQ - 0 (0)
Elite - 0 (0)
Troops - 3 (3)
Fast Attack - 1 (0)
Heavy Support - 5 (1)

Eldar have one non-Troop plastic infantry - Support Weapons. It's really sad.

Well, some of that could also be fixed by moving some units around in the FOC.
Say Wraithlord to Elite, plus new plastic wraithguard, thats 2 plastics in Elite. New Farseer means a plastic in HQ. Warwalkers to Fast Attack plus Plastic shining spears and new fighter bumps FA to 4 plastic kits. Falcon, Fire Prism, Support Weapons, and new Wraith Knight would mean 4 Plastic kits in HS, ending up with:
HQ 1 (1)
Elite 2 (1)
Troops 3 (3)
Fast Attack 4 (1)
Heavy Support 4 (1)

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

The Web of Skulls Dark Reaper wargear was strange even in 2nd. Why would an aspect specialising in long range fire support have a close combat weapon!

The Web of Skulls was also a weapon that could be thrown. Back in 2nd Edition it was an awesome piece of wargear. Lastly, back in 2nd edition...Exarchs were HQ choices and were independent characters. They were not tied to any particular squad.

Here's my minimal squad of Dire Avengers to unlock my Swooping Hawk with Vortex Grenade HQ...

Im hoping against hope that we finally get our Exodite dragon kinights back!!

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Im hoping against hope that we finally get our Exodite dragon kinights back!!

I just want to see the Eldar become a little more competitive, and soon. I haven't lost yet in 6th with them, but there sure has been some close calls.

I want to see Eldar get competitive full stop. I'm tired of being pummelled into the ground by CSM and Daemon allies, necrons and atsknf power blobs. Sure, I can win, but I want to have a fighting chance.

Here's my minimal squad of Dire Avengers to unlock my Swooping Hawk with Vortex Grenade HQ...

Your rage...it sustains me....

Plastic Farseer, not their vaunted and hyped failcast? maybe I will have to replace my Necron command staff with plastic versions soon once they phase failcast out??

anonymous source via Darnok wrote:There will be something in the codex called a wraithknight (almost as big as a phantom titan) and a psyker flyer.
Striking Scopion will be a must have!

Phantom Titan? Doubtfull:

This is what I'm hoping they do the Wraith construct along the lines of, the old Armorcast "Towering Destroyer". Hell they could just release this model and I'd be happy:

A Towering Destroyer would be preferred over the Bright Stallion.

I don't think we really want to see what will be done with 40K scale Bright Stallions.

I just hope they keep with the "mini-Wraithlord" look that the Wraithguard have. I really like their overall aesthetic and hope they don't change it to much if they do a new kit.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Here's my minimal squad of Dire Avengers to unlock my Swooping Hawk with Vortex Grenade HQ...

Your rage...it sustains me....

Rage nothing! I was the one doing it!

Seems I'm in something of a minority but I really hope they don't go the route of just a bigger, badder Wraithlord for the rumoured Wraithknight/Construct, I think it would be a wasted opportunity to introduce something a little different into the aesthetic.

Seen a few converted centaur-wraithlords here and there, loved the look, and always intended to try to replicate it myself, so if they do release My Little WraithPony I'll probably be re-mortgaging and buying a couple.

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Plastic Farseer, not their vaunted and hyped finecast? maybe I will have to replace my Necron command staff with plastic versions soon once they phase finecast out??

Every Fantasy release in 8th and every 40k release in 6th has had a plastic character come out. It's also had a Finecast character or two come out. This doesn't seem any different.

I am interested to see what if any FOC movements take place. I would like to see:

-Wraithlords as Elites
-Wraithguard as Troops with a full squad like now (or maybe some kind of Bonesinger character to move them to Troops no matter the squad size)
- Falcons as Dedicated Transports for Aspect squads
- War Walkers as Fast Attack would be a nice option (they do Outflank after all)

I am also looking forward to actually wanting to put an Autarch on the table if the rumours of them moving Aspects around the FOC are true!

Oh Darnok, you so crazy!

Rage nothing! I was the one doing it!

I was more partial to the Warp Spider Exarch/ Vortex Grenade delivery system myself.

HarryLeChien wrote:
Seems I'm in something of a minority but I really hope they don't go the route of just a bigger, badder Wraithlord for the rumoured Wraithknight/Construct, I think it would be a wasted opportunity to introduce something a little different into the aesthetic.

Seen a few converted centaur-wraithlords here and there, loved the look, and always intended to try to replicate it myself, so if they do release My Little WraithPony I'll probably be re-mortgaging and buying a couple.

Agreed a 100%, a bigger wraithlord would be hugely dissapointing, while a ponywraithlord would porbably be the coolest thing ever

But if it's bigger than a wraithlord, then you can model your current wraithlord riding it! Wraith cavalry! Ooh! ooh! make it on fire and give it a catapult that shoots wraithguard!

I want two of the above!!

ooooooooh WraithCavalryLord, stonkingly good idea

Reaper boltthrower firing burning Wraithguard, I can see it now...

Can we get off the silly and back on topic until new rumors come out?

Games Workshop are teetering on the brink of silly. Each 'big kit' tends to be a bit lazy and under developed. The Heldrake was a travesty.... the Riptide is pretty cool i guess, but lacks imagination, 'just make a battle suit bigger'.

Everything of late seems rushed and/or cartoonish.

Anyway, if this 'big wrath construct' does turn out to be that tw@tish horse thing i wil no longer have any faith in the art-direction of that place.

FTL


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FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Im hoping against hope that we finally get our Exodite dragon kinights back!!

You and me both brother... (check my avatar).

I fear its a forlorn hope though.

FTL

Hey, Bright Stallion is a mini from back in the glory days when GW paid at least some attention to the fans

(and before MLP even existed)

I'd be interested to see a modern (plastic) re-interpretation.

Will we get one ? Who knows it's only rumour so far

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hey, Bright Stallion is a mini from back in the glory days when GW paid at least some attention to the fans

(and before MLP even existed)

I'd be interested to see a modern (plastic) re-interpretation.

Will we get one ? Who knows it's only rumour so far

I know, but 'classic' does not automatically mean good. The bright stallion always looked ridiculous.

FTL

 fasterthanlight wrote:
Games Workshop are teetering on the brink of silly. Each 'big kit' tends to be a bit lazy and under developed. The Heldrake was a travesty.... the Riptide is pretty cool i guess, but lacks imagination, 'just make a battle suit bigger'.

Everything of late seems rushed and/or cartoonish.

Anyway, if this 'big wrath construct' does turn out to be that tw@tish horse thing i wil no longer have any faith in the art-direction of that place.

FTL

I think it seems "rushed" so they can get things out much quicker than before, though the quality of construction, assembly, conversion options, extra bits, etc., is still there.

What else were the Tau going to get? That's what they do - make skimmer tanks and battle suits. Even so, the Riptide has considerable detail variances to the smaller suits. That's what real-life armies do when making something large: base it on a frame they are familiar with. Every army is getting a giant kit and a flyer kit, and I imagine the aim is balance. PP does the exact same thing (with a smaller, and less varied miniature range, mind you) and people praise it. GW does it and it's "unimaginative and cartoonish."

So what would have been better while still fitting into the Tau aesthetic?

Do you like the FW Eldar Titans? I ask, because they look exactly like giant Wraithlords and War Walkers. In a product where aesthetics are half of the hobby, having each faction maintain a unified theme across the board is pretty important.

I just want aspects to function better in the game than they currently do. I can't remember the last time I've used any besides Warpspiders and Dire Avengers. Currently, there is no point in fielding Scorpions, Banshees, and Hawks. They have absolutely zero contribution to a list. That's sad as the models are awesome.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hey, Bright Stallion is a mini from back in the glory days when GW paid at least some attention to the fans

(and before MLP even existed)

While I am in no possible way a "brony", MLP predates the 40k universe and possibly even Warhammer Fantasy. The only difference was back then it was the domain of 5 year old little girls.

 pretre wrote:
Can we get off the silly and back on topic until new rumors come out?

Yes.

Though by page 25+, it is usually a lost cause, and threads end up getting closed until something substantial shows up again.

 fasterthanlight wrote:
Games Workshop are teetering on the brink of silly. Each 'big kit' tends to be a bit lazy and under developed. The Heldrake was a travesty.... the Riptide is pretty cool i guess, but lacks imagination, 'just make a battle suit bigger'.

Everything of late seems rushed and/or cartoonish.

Anyway, if this 'big wrath construct' does turn out to be that tw@tish horse thing i wil no longer have any faith in the art-direction of that place.

FTL

I agree with this 100%. The Heldrake, the Slaughterbrute, the Forgefiend, the Mutilators, the High Elves flying chariot (the hawk is cool, but the idea is just silly), the Forsaken, the Dark Angels Land Speeder Vengeance... The main releases seem to be almost total rubbish, with the mini one-off releases being better (plastic Hive Tyrant, or Bloodcrushers, for example)

This is why the only models I've bought in the last year have been DreamForge. If some of the Eldar stuff is equal to the existing plastics, and not INSANELY priced (like, $80 for the big walker, I'm estimating) I might pick some up. But I've gone from expecting to want some of every new release (as it used to be) to expecting to NOT want 90% of anything that comes out.

-C6

-C6

 warboss wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hey, Bright Stallion is a mini from back in the glory days when GW paid at least some attention to the fans

(and before MLP even existed)

While I am in no possible way a "brony", MLP predates the 40k universe and possibly even Warhammer Fantasy. The only difference was back then it was the domain of 5 year old little girls.

Fair point, I was referring to the current iteration of MLP, but as you point out the first appeared as toys in 1983 (the current series only dates to 2010)

The Bright Stallion Eldar Knight is from 1991

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Hey, Bright Stallion is a mini from back in the glory days when GW paid at least some attention to the fans

(and before MLP even existed)

I'd be interested to see a modern (plastic) re-interpretation.

Will we get one ? Who knows it's only rumour so far

To be fair, the rumour is a large, oval base Wraithbone construct. I think I was the first to post a pic of the Bright Stallion, in this thread at least, and will be appropriately smug if I called it right!

I might even buy one if well executed, and I don't have, or plan to collect, any Eldar, but for the nostalgia.

 catharsix wrote:


I agree with this 100%. The Heldrake, the Slaughterbrute, the Forgefiend, the Mutilators, the High Elves flying chariot (the hawk is cool, but the idea is just silly), the Forsaken, the Dark Angels Land Speeder Vengeance... The main releases seem to be almost total rubbish, with the mini one-off releases being better (plastic Hive Tyrant, or Bloodcrushers, for example)

[Please do not try to circumvent the swear filter - thanks. Alpharius] hell... the Forgefiend. I forgot about that... it looked like it had been knocked up by a toddler with a bitzbox. As for the Slaughterbrute, shame.

Sorry we got off topic there... pointy ears from here on in.

FTL

Bigred @ BOLS wrote:Stats for the Eldar "Knight" main gun:

"Pulsar Lance"
Primary fire mode:
36" S:8 AP2 Heavy 2, Lance

Overcharge mode (weapon may not fire next turn)
48" S:10 AP1 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Really? Another overcharge this soon? Unnnn-likely.

Also, S10 AP1 Lance Blast? Yikes.

I think Bigred must be visiting Washington or Colorado.

Eldar have since the last codex had overcharging their weapons be their 'thing'. Dire Avengers' pewpewstorm and Fire Prism gigapewpew and Shadow Spectres combinedpewpew have been all about alternate fire modes with a drawback.

It's still a bit disappointing to see 36" is still pretty much the standard range for Eldar heavy weapons.

 pretre wrote:
Really? Another overcharge this soon? Unnnn-likely.

Also, S10 AP1 Lance Blast? Yikes.

I think Bigred must be visiting Washington or Colorado.

Not to mention the overcharge makes the weapon worse really. 1 shot every 2 turns, instead of 2 every turn. Scatter and normal blast marker only? No thanks. I don't see them giving the Lance USR to anything but S8 anyway.

 Shandara wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Really? Another overcharge this soon? Unnnn-likely.

Also, S10 AP1 Lance Blast? Yikes.

I think Bigred must be visiting Washington or Colorado.

Not to mention the overcharge makes the weapon worse really. 1 shot every 2 turns, instead of 2 every turn. Scatter and normal blast marker only? No thanks. I don't see them giving the Lance USR to anything but S8 anyway.

A S10 AP1 lance shot that cannot miss (only scatter) is possibly the most reliable way to get a penetrating hit on an AV14 vehicle in the game. Unless you roll an abysmal scatter and somehow fall off the Land Raider's enormous bulk, you're going to likely penetrate.
The non-overcharged mode can miss outright due to the BS roll.
Plus, the option to do either is always nice.

It's all really down to the cost of everything...
...and arguably the look of it. I hope it's not another Mechagodzilla with Wraith-bits.

dark eldar have str 9 lance...

 zachwho wrote:
dark eldar have str 9 lance...

The Void Lance isn't a blast (it can outright miss on a bad roll) and is AP2. It's actually rather comparable to the once-per-game Void Mine, except it's once-every-two-turns.

I really don't dig GW's current penchant for big MCs. What happened to tanks or kick-ass infantry squads?

Mega units don't have to be some mecha-godzilla, and only a few factions are really suitable for that. Eldar already have the Avatar and Wraithlord, there's a precedent, but I don't feel its needed.

I mean, at this rate, what, will the Guard have a giant mecha-commissar? This rather predictable format of flier/oval base unit/FC characters and single plastic character is not terribly exciting.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I really don't dig GW's current penchant for big MCs. What happened to tanks or kick-ass infantry squads?

Mega units don't have to be some mecha-godzilla, and only a few factions are really suitable for that. Eldar already have the Avatar and Wraithlord, there's a precedent, but I don't feel its needed.

I mean, at this rate, what, will the Guard have a giant mecha-commissar? This rather predictable format of flier/oval base unit/FC characters and single plastic character is not terribly exciting.

well I agree....from a GW/business sense a new codex release is to target both new players and veteran players. If they for instance buff dark reapers there is no reason for me to buy more dark reapers because I already have a ton, even if they put out a new reaper model it isnt a 100% must buy for a veteran gamer, however if they put out a new shinny fancy giant whatchamacallit and charge $85 for it, veterans and newbies a like will feel the temptation

 ironicsilence wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I really don't dig GW's current penchant for big MCs. What happened to tanks or kick-ass infantry squads?

Mega units don't have to be some mecha-godzilla, and only a few factions are really suitable for that. Eldar already have the Avatar and Wraithlord, there's a precedent, but I don't feel its needed.

I mean, at this rate, what, will the Guard have a giant mecha-commissar? This rather predictable format of flier/oval base unit/FC characters and single plastic character is not terribly exciting.

well I agree....from a GW/business sense a new codex release is to target both new players and veteran players. If they for instance buff dark reapers there is no reason for me to buy more dark reapers because I already have a ton, even if they put out a new reaper model it isnt a 100% must buy for a veteran gamer, however if they put out a new shinny fancy giant whatchamacallit and charge $85 for it, veterans and newbies a like will feel the temptation

Well, if they release a new shiny that doesn't looks absolutely pants it might make me feel tempted. But after the extreme disappointment that the CSM release was, I have lost any hope that GW will put out stuff that I want to buy (I'm still open to surprise though). That's a real shame too, because I think that the Dark Eldar and Necrons releases were pretty much perfect.

That said, back when I first got into 40k, rather tentatively, in middle school, I had Eldar stuff (2nd Ed. era). Haven't really gone back to them, but some nice new plastics, especially Aspect Warriors, would be hard to resist.

Speaking of, any further word on the possibility of Aspect Warrior plastics? Dual kits?

-C6

 catharsix wrote:
Speaking of, any further word on the possibility of Aspect Warrior plastics? Dual kits?

-C6

There was a recent rumour over at Warseer that spoke about the Aspects being done as dual kits, but gave no details on what aspects would be combined in each kit.

But then it went on to say the giant Wraith construct would be near Phantom Titan sized... so it's kind of unlikely.

The those talking about the silliness of the Bright Stallion.
40k needs more silly.

You can feel free to buy it if it's a Bright Stallion. I'll pass on that one.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I really don't dig GW's current penchant for big MCs. What happened to tanks or kick-ass infantry squads?

Mega units don't have to be some mecha-godzilla, and only a few factions are really suitable for that. Eldar already have the Avatar and Wraithlord, there's a precedent, but I don't feel its needed.

I mean, at this rate, what, will the Guard have a giant mecha-commissar? This rather predictable format of flier/oval base unit/FC characters and single plastic character is not terribly exciting.

I doupt IG will get some. DA didnt.
SM might get something like the forge fiend.
Tyranids, well that is their thing.
Flesh golem for DE?
Spacewolfs? They have wolf cavalry(A unit i think should ONLY exist for deamons and tyranids) they are silly.



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 Kroothawk wrote:

Bigred @ BOLS wrote:Stats for the Eldar "Knight" main gun:

"Pulsar Lance"
Primary fire mode:
36" S:8 AP2 Heavy 2, Lance

Overcharge mode (weapon may not fire next turn)
48" S:10 AP1 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Str 10 Lance?
May the gods have mercy.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Overcharge mode (weapon may not fire next turn)
48" S:10 AP1 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Str 10 Lance?
May the gods have mercy.

With all the talk of a big powerful lance weapon, I wonder if it will be this Knight model in 40K scale?



I would rather the Towering destroyer though. Four arms would make it really unique on the tabletop. All the speculation of course also assumed the GW designers of the new model care about Epic 40K at all for inspiration. Because the Eldar could get a plastic Nightwing interceptor as their flyer, but aren't in favor of something sounding totally different.

I still hope the brightstallion.
We need more stupidity.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I still hope the brightstallion.
We need more stupidity.

Leave the stupidity for the orks, I prefer my eldar more refined.

To be honest I wouldn’t mind a Bright Stallion. At least it’d be interesting, and not just a bigger Wraithlord. Sure it’d send all the 4Chan bronies into a talespin of self-congratulatory nonsense, but really who cares about bronies?

*Cries in corner*
Nahh, Although, Im not really expecting it TBH.

I wouldn't mind an Eldar construct that looks like Metal Gear Excelsus.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:



Flesh golem for DE?

I really hope not. I wouldn't buy that, either. In fact, I can't think of any huge, oval based thing for DE that would seem right. It's one of those armies that such a thing just doesn't feel right, to me at least.

CWE, at least, have a previous history of things in the Knight size range, however much I dislike the look of most of them and hope they get a redesign if they appear.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be honest I wouldn’t mind a Bright Stallion. At least it’d be interesting, and not just a bigger Wraithlord. Sure it’d send all the 4Chan bronies into a talespin of self-congratulatory nonsense, but really who cares about bronies?

I enjoy MLP, and DON'T want the Bright Stallion. The only reason to buy one would be if I could figure out how to convert it into something that I'd feel was more welcome in my army.

shade1313 wrote:
I enjoy MLP, and DON'T want the Bright Stallion. The only reason to buy one would be if I could figure out how to convert it into something that I'd feel was more welcome in my army.

Good for you. I liked the Bright Stallion before MLP was even a thing.

*readjusts ironically over-sized glasses and continues listening to indie bands you’ve never heard of*

Some of the new High Elves plastic stuff looks good. I hope new Eldar look similar in quality.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Str 10 Lance?
May the gods have mercy.

Tyranids have had a deep strikeable S10, AP1 lance since their 5th edition book.

My gaming group is already calling this new construct the "Butt Stallion" (clue: Borderlands 2)

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I still hope the brightstallion.
We need more stupidity.

Leave the stupidity for the orks, I prefer my eldar more refined.

(Edit: this is how they *could* make it look, I possess no actual information what so ever) Do not think of the generic horse-body. Make the upper portion of the legs slimmer than what you usually find on living animals, in particular the rear. The body should also be slimmed down to a point where if it were an animal, it'd be starving. Center the torso-head on the middle of the body, not to the front. The torso should have a slim wasp-waist leading up to a typical Wraithlord chest with a decorated head. For extra Kali-effect, give it four arms with customizable weaponry - both melee swords and shooting weapons. For extra alien effect make the body omni-directional.

Keep in mind that the Bright Stallion is an old figure from the Egyptian-pose era made for a game of a smaller scale than normal 40k. All models in that range looks goofy.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Bigred @ BOLS wrote:Stats for the Eldar "Knight" main gun:

"Pulsar Lance"
Primary fire mode:
36" S:8 AP2 Heavy 2, Lance

Overcharge mode (weapon may not fire next turn)
48" S:10 AP1 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Waaa!, I just squealed inside. If true then I can see my mate keeping his 2-3 battlewagons he runs in every game not so close together. Currently he blocks them up like a wall and angles them for max armour and cover. With a lance at S:10, blast there is a good chance to popping/crippling two in one shot. BS:3 or 4? that's the question now.

 whembly wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Overcharge mode (weapon may not fire next turn)
48" S:10 AP1 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Str 10 Lance?
May the gods have mercy.

This bothers me a tad.... Update from BoK -

-Universal Fleet including the Avatar. The Wraith stuff though won't have fleet.
-Old independent character special rules moved to Warlord Traits
-Jet Bikes moved back to Fast Attack (IC to unlock to troops)
-Eldar psychic powers nerfed: some powers disappearing, random table, focus on witchfire
-Warlocks can only use Eldar specific psychic powers
-Runes of Warding Nerfed: No longer board wide
-Farseer 2 wounds
-Eldrad Mastery Level 4, Staff of Ulthamar similar to Ahirman staff
-Almost all Phoenix Lords lose Eternal Warrior have cost reductions
-Exarch's must be included in all Aspects units. (Sergeant Character)
-Don't expect many changes with the Aspect warriors just cleaning up old rules and such
-Dark Reapers, Swooping Hawks, and Banshees see the biggest cost drops and anti-flyer additions
-Guardians 7 points a piece
-Vehicles will have either no cost reduction of very minor reduction (5pts) with Vypers benefiting the most
-Vehicles come stock with shuriken cannons vehicle savings come with cheaper weapon upgrades and wargear
-Eldar Flyers first to get Vector Dancer (minus Forge World of course)
-Don't be surprised to see Giant Wraithlord with T8 and Will not Die

The Eldar codex in essences won't reinvent the wheel this is update to bring them in line with 6th edition units costs and such and with Phil Kelly supposedly once again at the helm expect the changes to be more like Chaos Space Marine codex and less like the Chaos Daemons codex.
Don't expect to see any new Aspect molds with maybe Swooping Hawks getting an update.

Giant Wraithlord with T8? Meaning the existing WL won't be T8.

I guess GW really does still think it's pre-TAR 3rd Ed when Wraithlords were all the rage.

That list from BoK is just pure wishlisting/speculating without any rumour source, he even states as much in his article:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/05/08/rumor-it-eldar-expect/

Basically he just made the entire list up.

Edit: fixed link

the latest rumours make a very sad panda;

-no point reductions on vehicles
-psychic power nerf
-farseer nerf
-guardians still 7 points( if there is no drastic change at their weapons and stat line this is still too expensive)

But these are only rumours, hope the codex in a gneral will be good.

edit: redemption is right

"Well I have bunch of hunches on what you can expect to see from the new Eldar codex..."

I'm just tired of armies getting Monstrous Creature "walkers" left and right, while Marines and Guard are stuck with useless Dreadnoughts and Sentinels, respectively

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm just tired of armies getting Monstrous Creature "walkers" left and right, while Marines and Guard are stuck with useless Dreadnoughts and Sentinels, respectively

Yep, because Marines are the ugly step child that gets no love from GW at all

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good for you. I liked the Bright Stallion before MLP was even a thing.
*readjusts ironically over-sized glasses and continues listening to indie bands you’ve never heard of*

My Little Pony – 1983
WD126 – 1990

Design team:

GW designers – proto-bronies?

 Kroothawk wrote:

BoLS wrote:Aspect Warriors are moving to plastic using the "combo-unit" dual-build format GW has moved to of late. We'll leave it up to you to guess which aspects could be paired off into combo-kit boxes with differing heads/weapon options.

My guess: Banshees will look like dudes

So? Some of them are dudes. Female Aspect warriors that look like dudes has been the norm since forever.

 Morachi wrote:
This bothers me a tad.... Update from BoK -

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/05/40k-rumors-eldar-tongues-are-wagging.html
Really classy of BoLS to take a random speculation by TastyTaste, delete the part where he says it is his personal speculation, and then present it as the latest rumour

@Scottywan82: Expect the new Eldar background to reveal the reason for Eldar being a dying race: They are dudes and crossdressing dudes, with all females killed during the fall.
Reason for the delayed Sororitas Codex? They are still working on an explanation, why all sororitas are also crossdressing dudes so that the sculptors don't have to learn how to sculpt female looking women.

Indeed, and what's even worse is I cut and pasted that from the BoLS feed... on an iPhone, while commuting... feeding the dodginess. I appologise, my bad. Lesson learned, don't commute and paste. You might just save a life.

shade1313 wrote:
In fact, I can't think of any huge, oval based thing for DE that would seem right. It's one of those armies that such a thing just doesn't feel right, to me at least.

Plastic tantalus? Or some other large skimmer with a big gun on it, maybe.

Glad to see the new rumors are most likely bs, but I still don't expect much from the new codex. I imagine they might not end up being that far off in the end.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm just tired of armies getting Monstrous Creature "walkers" left and right, while Marines and Guard are stuck with useless Dreadnoughts and Sentinels, respectively

I'm sure they'll get their share as soon as a "new ancient super-robot STD pattern" is discovered by the adepts of the machine god in some remote part of the galaxy, don't worry.

In relation to the flyers, Best_Pone (who also got the new High Elf models right) on Warseer posted this:

best_pone wrote:The main hull and wings are common across both builds. It's amazing how different tail and fin positioning can alter the look of the aircraft though

Common features:
- Downward angling of the primary wings (about 30º I'd estimate)
- Canards are very slightly angled down, but near horizontal
- Engines are mounted in pods in the wings
- One weapon mounted centreline under the hull, and one in a pod in each wing

Hemlock:
- Has a single vertical stabiliser mounted on the centreline of the aircraft

Nightshade:
- Twin "vertical" stabilisers (they're actually about 30º from horizontal), one mounted on each engine pod.

So the new Eldar flyer will be a dual kit, making either a flyer called the Hemlock or the Nightshade. He also mentioned they somewhat remind him of a flyer from an anime show called Battle Fairy Yukikaze.

In relation to the new Wraith construct, he said it is called the Wraithknight and that it is very tall, large enough to look down upon current flyer models.

Some of the things on that list were obviously fake. Eldar focusing on witchfire when their whole schtick has been seeing the future forever? Farseers being two wounds when they are the mainstay HQ? Actually, that's about it, the rest are pretty believable. I really hope Phoenix Lords don't lose eternal warrior though, it fits their fluff so well. If they do, then hopefully they have some sort of Exarch-regenerating power.

 Redemption wrote:


In relation to the new Wraith construct, he said it is called the Wraithknight and that it is very tall, large enough to look down upon current flyer models.

They might as well put titans in normal 40k games and call it a day.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Some of the things on that list were obviously fake. Eldar focusing on witchfire when their whole schtick has been seeing the future forever? Farseers being two wounds when they are the mainstay HQ? Actually, that's about it, the rest are pretty believable. I really hope Phoenix Lords don't lose eternal warrior though, it fits their fluff so well. If they do, then hopefully they have some sort of Exarch-regenerating power.

You mean like in path of the warrior? Touch an aspect of their shrine and POOF! You're alive.

 Gar'Ang wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Some of the things on that list were obviously fake. Eldar focusing on witchfire when their whole schtick has been seeing the future forever? Farseers being two wounds when they are the mainstay HQ? Actually, that's about it, the rest are pretty believable. I really hope Phoenix Lords don't lose eternal warrior though, it fits their fluff so well. If they do, then hopefully they have some sort of Exarch-regenerating power.

You mean like in path of the warrior? Touch an aspect of their shrine and POOF! You're alive.

Exactly like that. I think that's the kind of rule that blends in-game power with "forging the narrative." It lets your powerful beatstick get back up and keep fighting if the right conditions are met, and encourages taking a lot of a certain Aspect with their Lord, which is fluffy since Phoenix Lords tend to attract large groups of their warriors.

 Redemption wrote:
That list from BoK is just pure wishlisting/speculating without any rumour source, he even states as much in his article:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/...-eldar-expect/

Basically he just made the entire list up.

Note that TastyTaste sometimes frames information as speculation, but it ends up being accurate.

Remember this post?

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/02/17/rumor-it-releases-daemon-rules-front/

And I think it's fairly clear that we can expect most 6th ed. codicies to be along the lines of CSM and DA. That "release list" from 18(?) months ago looks like a fake now, so we can probably forget about Black Wardens, Dragon Riders, Everguard, etc. The fact that someone invented that much content is fairly mind-boggling, but it is what it is.