Aye they did look interesting and was that old terminator marks, and other goodies we caught a glimpse of, like could that superheavy have been a banehammer (or whatever they're called).
Lavishly decorated, this book is leather-bound with inlaid metal detailing and foil-blocked page edging, and also features metal cleats to the corners of the book’s casing impressed with the Imperial Aquila.
It is a stand-alone supplement for Warhammer 40,000 and contains a vast array of colour profiles, maps and artwork. Also included is a full Space Marine Legion army list and background, histories, character profiles and special rules for the Death Guard, Sons of Horus, World Eaters and Emperor’s Children Legions.
I hope there will be more illustrations in this one than there are photoshop re-colorings of the marine and vehicle silhouettes. New illustrations for the characters alone would push this over the top into must have territory for many people, I think.
Points of interest: heresy era terminators, a vindicator with las cannon sponsons, a jetbike, and a sm 2 cannon baneblade. Also a random remake of an RT era communication officer marine.
The rules will emphasize that this is the Legions by providing alternate wargear and unit configurations that dont exist for the chapters.
My guess is they're doing something more in line with the original Epic interpretation of a Vindicator which was half way between rhino and land raider, and not just a rhino variant.The lascannons are probably just there to further justify a bulkier model.
I think the interesting part is that these books are described as an ongoing series and full "third strand" of Forgeworld next to IA Books and Warhammer Forge.
A full-fledged "third" of FW is from now on going to be doing a series consisting essentially of Space Marines!!!!!
Zweischneid wrote: I think the interesting part is that these books are described as an ongoing series and full "third strand" of Forgeworld next to IA Books and Warhammer Forge.
A full-fledged "third" of FW is from now on going to be doing a series consisting essentially of Space Marines!!!!!
Don't forget that they mentioned non space marine forces. You have imperial army present, Adeptis Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Assassins, and legion based human armies. Also wouldn't be surprised to see daemons later on in the series.
Well I think the move to doing this series is because they effectively ran out of worthwhile ideas for the present time period. Hopefully having a marine heavy series will improve their willingness for more non-marine armies in Imperial Armor.
So space marines having Jet Bikes is canonical now? I thought that was retconned.
And what happened to all the Jet Bikes?
That Super Heavy with the 2 cannons would make an excellent Apocalypse tank from RA2.
Hmmm lets see...Marines could be Tesla Troopers. It'll be perfect!
Also, they should really just have Alan Bligh do all the promo videos for GW, he's one of the few people they have that doesn't look like a rubber puppet reading from cue-cards when he talks.
Now *that* is how you do a teaser trailer that gets people interested! I love the remake of the old RT era comms officer and the jetbike... both will have to be bought for painting!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Fellblade. Pretty cool.
Jetbike. Nifty.
Strange Land Raider/Vindicator thingy. Interesting.
Per-Heresy Terminators... SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
My jaw hit the floor when I saw those Termies. Oh my God they're amazing.
Doesn't it feel good when they give you something to be happy about? I think is the most positive post I've seen from you in a while.
Just Dave wrote: Looks awesome. May have to seriously consider this as my 1st Forgeworld purchase. Those terminators in particular look boodiful.
Before people complain about an apparent lack of Primarch rules, I don't recall any of the Primarchs except maybe Angron fighting on Istvaan III.
If they keep to the BL stuff and don't go off on their own arc then Fulgrim wasn't there as he was off trying to turn Ferrus, I think Mortarion eventually took the field after Angron got mad. Horus stayed in orbit.
On the comments for the FW link to the video on facebook: 'Just to reiterate that we expect to have ample stock at Games Day, but we aren't taking reservation orders for the book or any of the other items we're revealing in the next week, because we can't guarantee to have the stock available to fill the orders.'
So lots of models to be shown next week, and for everyone asking, the releasse date idGDUK.
They will be available at Games Day, but that is not the official release date. I'd like to know when I can order it from website. Not going to GD. I've never got any IA books in the past, but this is something I would be interested in.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Fellblade. Pretty cool.
Jetbike. Nifty.
Strange Land Raider/Vindicator thingy. Interesting.
Per-Heresy Terminators... SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
My jaw hit the floor when I saw those Termies. Oh my God they're amazing.
agreed those termi's need to be purchased asap. Would 88 world eater termis be just right?
Thinking of taking out a loan-budgeted for this and the csm dex, (assuming HH will be less than £50),but now I already want jetbikes(even though thy are a tad phallic) for Raven guard(hate marine bikes) and desperate for Old morty.I'm gonna really piss the wife off.
Insurgency Walker wrote: Did anyone else notice the term "other races"? Anyone have any guesses?
Well, in the 31st Millennium, Tyranids have not yet eaten the Squat homeworlds.
Therefore - FW Squat Land Train! You heard it here first
For some reason, I don't think so.
However I'm weak on the Horus heracy and wondered if Eldar may have played a part, Even if small. And I have not followed the new tau heritage story, though to involve some tau aspect would be much more heratical than squat land raiders dumping IG hordes, with boogie boards in the background.
Eldar have had a bit part in a few of the HH books. Eldrad even made an appearance in Fulgrim.
But Alan said in the video that this would be centered around Istivaan III. Those Space Marines that were loyal to the Emperor were fighting humans that had rebelled against the Imperium when Horus betrayed them from orbit. There were Imperial Guard super heavies and titan in that battle. I don't recall any Xenos being involved. However, many of the humans on that planet had "odd" weapons that could have been Xenos in origin. I think I am recalling this correctly. It's been a year and a half since I read that book.
It is a stand-alone supplement for Warhammer 40,000 and contains a vast array of colour profiles, maps and artwork. Also included is a full Space Marine Legion army list and background, histories, character profiles and special rules for the Death Guard, Sons of Horus, World Eaters and Emperor’s Children Legions.
I'll subscribe to the series...no matter the cost.
There could also be dark eldar getting a small part, they are one of the salamanders oldest enemies and they're in one f bl's short stories.
The only ones that can't be there are Tau, necrons and nids. Tau hadn't been bourn or whatever, necrons are still asleep and nids are still coming
There were also lots of xenos that got exterminated during the great crusade and then after then heresy, so they might make an appearance. Give FW more chance to add more species into the universe.
Just Dave wrote: I thought he did a great job. I didn't notice a problem with his commentary and found he made the product sound appealing and himself enthusiastic.
Exactly!
Time to leave off discussions on Alan's presenting skills, please.
Back to more Pre-Heresy goodness!
I also hope they do a "Great Crusade" book some day - that way, everyone can certainly attend the party!
Not to hijack the post but FW also upped their prices. Storm Talon is now 10 GBP more than earlier this week. Darn! I should have bought it when I had the chance.
I guess they are really expecting higher sales with this release across the board.
A vast slew of the armies and forces that made up the founding of the Imperium are all involved.
Mechanicus and Custodes ahoy!
The potential for these books is mind blowing, I cannot wait to see what they are hiding from us.
I also cannot believe that people are finding fault with the nice chap in the video. He comes across as genuinely interested in the book and a friendly guy, what more do you want? Do you want a fething scripted Hasbro toy commercial? Jesus wept.
That was the best teaser trailer I have seen in ages! It tells you about the book, goes into detail, is read by a genuinely interested guy, AND shows off the amazing models!
Just when I think I am over my SM addiction FW does this to us, can't complain but what timing!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Fellblade. Pretty cool.
Jetbike. Nifty.
Strange Land Raider/Vindicator thingy. Interesting.
Per-Heresy Terminators... SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
My jaw hit the floor when I saw those Termies. Oh my God they're amazing.
Pretty much thought the same thing... my mind went from SHUT UP and.... to all the many possibilities of how I can integrate these guys. Fortunately I play chaos...
timetowaste85 wrote: Most high schools are starting sections on public speaking in English class, and all colleges offer the courses too. If he's a designer for a big company, he can afford the lessons. Feel free to take your facepalm back, because as the spokesman for the company, he should be more eloquent. I say "um" when speaking normally (who doesn't), but he should have practiced his speech, and worked it on his own time to have it down pat for the public appearance. A sales pitch should be confident, not sound like the guy is searching for ways to improve it by ad lib.
This'll be the one with the virus bombing and the wierd sonic-technology based society right? The one where Loken ended up fighting Abaddon?
Per-Heresy Abaddon anyone?
Also, why did this have to come out just as I became a penniless student?
Damn.
Not sure maybe mortarion I think Horus sent Fulgrim to see if he could sway Ferrus to the darkside and left one of his lord commanders (Elidon?) in charge of EC. I don't recall Horus taking part either.
Wow. Ok. 2 things. 1) Luckily my mortgage provider plays 40k. 2) He'll start the paperwork on that home equity loan on Monday. Good thing I just got a generous appraisal!
lasgunpacker wrote: The real question is, why is Forge World doing this instead of GW proper?
HH era figures I expect are going to sell very well, but PLASTIC figures, available all over the world, would do even better.
FW tends to do things first to test the waters. I would expect plastic versions of pre heresy marks in 2-3 years..... just in time to extend the bubble caused by the Hobbit
General reminder - please keep your remarks civil, whether they are directed at another poster here, or at someone else entirely. Dakka's Rule #1 is always on - Be Polite!
This looks to be another book which I will be picking up...
It is sad though, FW with their relative shoe string staffing compared to the guys over at GW, and what they produce on pretty much every level is so much more appealing. They even manage to price things competitively against plastic and finecast produced en masse.
Samus_aran115 wrote: Do you english lads take that much insult at the mere mention of chavs that you can't see the obvious sarcasm in my post?
Clearly not so 'obvious'. Although I'm not sure the reaction was us being insulted so much as it was a collective facepalm at the apparent misuse of the word 'chav'.
Well me that's all awesome. I may have to actually get something from Forge World now. Those jetbikes and a squad of those terminators will look awesome in my army.
TechMarine1 wrote: I mean, am I gonna be able to play it without needing my opponent's permission?
No. Just like you can't play an ork army without your opponent's permission, unless you're going to hold a gun to their head and force them to play against you.
Ok, serious answer, everything FW produces is 100% official and intended for use in standard games of 40k and/or Apocalypse. The most likely outcome will the that the upcoming book offers an army list and/or units for 40k, with the special campaign missions (as noted in the picture a few posts ago) only meant to be played between opposing pre-heresy marine armies (or other scenario-specific forces as appropriate). However, since we don't know much about it yet, it's possible (but unlikely) that this stuff won't be balanced for normal 40k and will only be intended for use in the special campaign missions.
Vitruvian XVII wrote: @Techmarine: Id assume they would be, as is every other FW book.
I dunno, Vit, I got the impression these were an entirely separate affair from standard 40k games. Although, there's nothing stopping people from using the rules against a standard 40k army I suppose.
I'm really, really wanting to get a copy of this, but the indefinite length of the series worries me. A 3 book investment just for the read alone would be an easier sell for me, but potentially having 5-10 books at $75-100 just isn't gonna happen, especially when it would cost a small fortune to build a proper pre-heresy force with all the FW bling. I'm really glad they are doing it, though. Even if it ends up being too rich for my blood this is going to be a cashcow for FW, and they deserve every penny.
Starfarer wrote: I dunno, Vit, I got the impression these were an entirely separate affair from standard 40k games. Although, there's nothing stopping people from using the rules against a standard 40k army I suppose.
I guess they could do it that way if there were certain design elements they wanted to include in the Heresy game that would make it incompatible with 40k, but it would be pretty stupid to rule it out without a good reason. Very few people are going to buy an entire Heresy army if they can only play it in specific scenarios against another Heresy player, it's just too much of a cash investment (especially at FW prices!). On the other hand, they have a lot of potential sales to marine players if they make as much of it as possible compatible with standard 40k.
What I am really looking forwards to are the Thousand Sons (hopefully sticking to the front cover of the BL book of the same name), now that would be amazing and a must have army for my collection. Using Scibor parts is just not the same somehow.
Was there a loyalist legion that was always present at the main conflicts?
Don't know whether to get some heresy stuff and do more spacewolves (13th great company) or start a new sm army But then not be able to use the superheavies in normal 40k games
Well, there went my money for the foreseeable future, dammit.
Those Cataphracti terminators "swoon" I've been holding off getting the Tartaros pattern for my pre heresy iron warriors because i didn't like the look.
The only thing that struck me as odd was the Jetbike. It is completely different from all the jetbike art in the Visions book. I wonder if that was a conscious decision to divert or because 3rd parties make one that looks close.
Zweischneid wrote: I think the interesting part is that these books are described as an ongoing series and full "third strand" of Forgeworld next to IA Books and Warhammer Forge.
A full-fledged "third" of FW is from now on going to be doing a series consisting essentially of Space Marines!!!!!
Because the sales for Eldar Dance Party and Bug Hunt would be abysmal
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Davylove21 wrote: Those Terminators + GK Paladin box = Custodes = my Necrons for sale
Just wait for the Wolves/thousand Sons book and buy thiers
I would say book 3
1 and 2 will be Istivan and if you remeber from the book Horus mentions convincing Russ Magnus should not be brought back and just taken out before Istivan 3.
Prosepro and Istivan happened the same time.
I am seriously considering starting a pre-heresy Emperor's Children or World Eaters army depending on what the first book is like. If they ever publish rules for a pre-heresy Kharn I am automatically going World Eaters.
Buttons wrote: I am seriously considering starting a pre-heresy Emperor's Children or World Eaters army depending on what the first book is like. If they ever publish rules for a pre-heresy Kharn I am automatically going World Eaters.
Eisenhorn wrote: Do not worry I am sure your Mega-Aracnids will come in quite handy.
Considering they were pre-heresy, I doubt they'd be getting featured, however.
They are adding to the Heresy story all the time,it would be a neat twist that Horus found records fighting the Interex that shows the location of more Nid Prison Worlds and he wrangles some up to hassle the Fists at the gates.
Eisenhorn wrote: Do not worry I am sure your Mega-Aracnids will come in quite handy.
Considering they were pre-heresy, I doubt they'd be getting featured, however.
They are adding to the Heresy story all the time,it would be a neat twist that Horus found records fighting the Interex that shows the location of more Nid Prison Worlds and he wrangles some up to hassle the Fists at the gates.
I think the Prosepero Book will see us Pre Heresy Ahriman and Bjorn,new Wolfen,Definitely Space Wolf Upgrade Torsos,Magnus,Russ and his Parents,Possibly Termies for both
Possibly Custodes they may save them for last book but I think it likely they will be in.,TS Chariots,Spire Guard
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2) A pay rise of roughly £150 /month after tax from my day job
3) Working eight-hour shifts at the pub for a paltry £48 cash in hand per shift
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Things I planned to spend this cash on
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Things I will be unable to resist spending the money on instead:
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Waaagh_Gonads wrote: That is a plasma cannon mounted on the front of the jetbike isn't it?
This size would be a great landspeeder replacement.
Yes, that is a nice size. I can't wait for it to shoot white hot plasma all over my friends' units!
I can see a nice kitbash to build a double width one as a pre-heresy land speeder, I love the 70's sci-fi star wars esque curvyness of it compared to the angular functionality of the current land speeder kit. And yes, as a jet bike, it's almost exactly one million times better looking than the spacky master of the ravenwing jetbike we've got at the moment.
Ok, I can't help it--every time I see that jetbike my eyes are immediately drawn to the underslung exhaust and what appears to be a green stuff fingerprint right below his leg. I'm sure it's not--but I can't unsee that.
We know they are making primarchs and inevitably they will make Horus, so if thats the case what happens about the siege of terra? and will they make... im going to say it... The Emperor?
We know they are making primarchs and inevitably they will make Horus, so if thats the case what happens about the siege of terra? and will they make... im going to say it... The Emperor?
How can they not
But it will be one of the last figures they make probally 3 years away at least.
I wish they started the heresy series further back, to proper "pre-heresy" era, and worked up to and then thru the heresy.. It would be nice to be able to field a completely untarnished force in all the legions glory before the fall... And perhaps a before and after Horus?
Gotta leave something for later. I mean I'd like to see everything starting with Thunderwarriors fighting the wars to reunify earth into the great crusade.
aka_mythos wrote: Gotta leave something for later. I mean I'd like to see everything starting with Thunderwarriors fighting the wars to reunify earth into the great crusade.
Or they could make it a WWII historical, start at 1939 and go from there.
That isn't bad compared to the other IA books. some of those are 55 and 52 pounds. 70 for leather bound really isn't bad. Just a little high but not horrible compared to the other ones.
Those are the most rediculous jet bikes ive ever seen. They are flying sex toys..... Will not be buying. How has no one mentioned this yet? They look like phallus's? Phallusii? Phalluses? I don't know the plural of phallus....
aka_mythos wrote: Gotta leave something for later. I mean I'd like to see everything starting with Thunderwarriors fighting the wars to reunify earth into the great crusade.
Or they could make it a WWII historical, start at 1939 and go from there.
I approve of this idea!
They could also do the lost age of technology when Captain Villheim Tiberious roamed the stars in his velour shirt.
PS long time no see Doobie.
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Chancetragedy wrote: Those are the most rediculous jet bikes ive ever seen. They are flying sex toys..... Will not be buying. How has no one mentioned this yet? They look like phallus's? Phallusii? Phalluses? I don't know the plural of phallus....
Everything else though looks good.
I've said before these bikes are not nearly phallic enough. They should have two big brass spherical engines hanging under them.
£70 is just way too expensive for me, £50 I can handle but thats just silly.
They lost more than one sale from me because If I cant afford the rules there's no point in buying the miniatures that are rule specific for this book.
Prices are daylight, I might pick one up on ebay some day, but Matty doesn't like the hobby enough to spend more than fifty nicker on any book.. much as he fancies reading it.
Maybe they will get one in WH Smiths and I can flick through it for an hour?
aka_mythos wrote: Gotta leave something for later. I mean I'd like to see everything starting with Thunderwarriors fighting the wars to reunify earth into the great crusade.
Or they could make it a WWII historical, start at 1939 and go from there.
I approve of this idea!
They could also do the lost age of technology when Captain Villheim Tiberious roamed the stars in his velour shirt.
PS long time no see Doobie.
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Chancetragedy wrote: Those are the most rediculous jet bikes ive ever seen. They are flying sex toys..... Will not be buying. How has no one mentioned this yet? They look like phallus's? Phallusii? Phalluses? I don't know the plural of phallus....
Everything else though looks good.
I've said before these bikes are not nearly phallic enough. They should have two big brass spherical engines hanging under them.
As for the 70 GBP price point on the book...
I dunno. If the quality is anywhere near IA11, given the potential size of the book (it looked to be at least as thick as IA11), the leather cover, and the "faux manuscript" pages...
I can see it being worth it.
Of course that's to someone who really likes the Horus Heresy and wants to play in that period of time, but that's not me.
A valiant try, but it is going to be really hard to 'justify' a £70 book for something that should be the best selling thing Forge World has ever done.
We all know why they are doing it, IF they are doing it, I guess...
I could probably swallow the price if it was for a small series. Extremely reluctant to splash the cash going into something far more open-ended, though ...
I certainly doubt it will be a small series - think the video even metioned that it would be an ongoing series, possibly something akin to the current IA books they produce. Maybe not that long as there is a narrative to adhere to.
With the exception of the Space Marine from last years(?) FW open day (which itself was a gift) I do not own a single piece of FW merchandise. That will definately change with this release. I'm a big fan of the HH and have been wishing it to be released ever since I got into the BL books.
I'm also kind of glad that its FW doing it as the price helps to keep it somewhat unique. IF GW were to do it, the novelty would quickly wear off as every man and their dog would own a heresy era army and that would take the gloss off it for me.
I think the price of £70 for the book is a bit much but just from the teaser video the quality looks good enough that I would pay half that just to own it for the fluff & pics. That it also includes for some of my favourite elements of the entire 40k universe and some great Space Marine characters, both loyal and traitor, seals the deal for me.
I'm also a bit shocked they made the "rules" so bloody expensive. The part we all want is the army lists and the miniatures. Black Library has the rest sewn up. I am a bit worried they will see this as "no getting enough ROI" and pull the plug all because they were too stupid to make the rules accessible to most players.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if they did not...but they haven't done that with Tamurkhan, so they might not.
See, THIS is my concern. Tamurkhan shouldn't have been a flop, but so few bought it that it seems like one. And then we never heard about a another book. Forge World is the perfect venue for some of these figures, but they really need to tone down the gold-plated pricetag of some things.
GiraffeX wrote: £70 is just way too expensive for me, £50 I can handle but thats just silly.
They lost more than one sale from me because If I cant afford the rules there's no point in buying the miniatures that are rule specific for this book.
People don't buy FW books for the rules. People buy the FW books because they are usually pretty damned amazing books. I put The Taros Campaign and the Badab War books as some of the best they've done. People have a year's subscription to WD and they'll NEVER seed anything remotely close to this much content or quality for the price. Remember way back when WD had those articles on the Adeptus Astartes, chapter by chapter? Yea, neither do most people. But for those who do, they are a whimpering shadow of what you get in a typical FW book. I don't know if I'll get all of them but I do intend to get at least some.
GiraffeX wrote: £70 is just way too expensive for me, £50 I can handle but thats just silly.
They lost more than one sale from me because If I cant afford the rules there's no point in buying the miniatures that are rule specific for this book.
People don't buy FW books for the rules. People buy the FW books because they are usually pretty damned amazing books. I put The Taros Campaign and the Badab War books as some of the best they've done. People have a year's subscription to WD and they'll NEVER seed anything remotely close to this much content or quality for the price. Remember way back when WD had those articles on the Adeptus Astartes, chapter by chapter? Yea, neither do most people. But for those who do, they are a whimpering shadow of what you get in a typical FW book. I don't know if I'll get all of them but I do intend to get at least some.
This is true, and I'm one who buys FW books for both - Vraks, Badab, Anphelion - and I don't love them enough to pay over $100 for a rule or reference book.
I also hope they put out a non-leatherette version, but won't hold my breath.
We know they are making primarchs and inevitably they will make Horus, so if thats the case what happens about the siege of terra? and will they make... im going to say it... The Emperor?
Likely.
Question is.. if they start off with a faux-leather bound book for 70 quid.... what'll be the final volume "Horus Heresy Book 876: Showdown on the Vengeful Spirit Part 7", probably bound in faux-Gold and 1894 pages thick, will be MSRP...
GiraffeX wrote: £70 is just way too expensive for me, £50 I can handle but thats just silly.
They lost more than one sale from me because If I cant afford the rules there's no point in buying the miniatures that are rule specific for this book.
People don't buy FW books for the rules. People buy the FW books because they are usually pretty damned amazing books. I put The Taros Campaign and the Badab War books as some of the best they've done. People have a year's subscription to WD and they'll NEVER seed anything remotely close to this much content or quality for the price. Remember way back when WD had those articles on the Adeptus Astartes, chapter by chapter? Yea, neither do most people. But for those who do, they are a whimpering shadow of what you get in a typical FW book. I don't know if I'll get all of them but I do intend to get at least some.
I must be the exception to the rule then!
I've been playing since Rouge Trader and seen enough fluff go by / be re-written that I'm no longer interested in it. I only play at tournaments so the rules come pretty near the top for me after painting and modelling.
I'm sure I'll be picking up the terminators and anything else that can be fitted into a normal codex but thats it and those jet bikes looked really nice..
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if they did not...but they haven't done that with Tamurkhan, so they might not.
See, THIS is my concern. Tamurkhan shouldn't have been a flop, but so few bought it that it seems like one. And then we never heard about a another book. Forge World is the perfect venue for some of these figures, but they really need to tone down the gold-plated pricetag of some things.
To be fair...
Tamurkhan wasn't really a flop in the sense you think it was, and we have heard about another book. We're supposed to be getting "Blackfire Pass" at some point within the next year or so and we already got Monstrous Arcana, but the big thing is that they're seemingly still "getting their feet wet" when it comes to Warhammer Forge. I don't think there's anything missing from Tamurkhan's lists (someone will certainly correct me if there is), but there still is a lot for Monstrous Arcana.
Hey, I generally like 40K fluff, but FW doesn't have a good track-record there I think.
Too many typos.
Too pretentious.
Too much stiff narcissism by the writers.
Too much thinly disguised not-faschism-pron
Too much grandiloquent failure to acknowledge the inherent satire in much of 40K
FW fluff is 40K fluff at its worst by and large (with exceptions proving the rule).
Zweischneid wrote: Hey, I generally like 40K fluff, but FW doesn't have a good track-record there I think.
Too many typos.
Too pretentious.
Too much stiff narcissism by the writers.
Too much thinly disguised not-faschism-pron
Too much grandiloquent failure to acknowledge the inherent satire in much of 40K
FW fluff is 40K fluff at its worst by and large (with exceptions proving the rule).
Seriously? A carefully constructed and incredibly intricate faux-historical campaign book is 40K fluff at it's worst? What on earth is Blood Angels bro-fisting Necrons, GK bathing in the blood of SoB to increase their purity, and all the other nonsense we've had recently? Sorry chum, the "oversaturated-angsty-antihero-black comedy-fest" of 2nd Edition is history, thankfully, and I'll take the Vraks or Badab War books over anything GW have put out in the last....well, ever actually.
Zweischneid wrote: Hey, I generally like 40K fluff, but FW doesn't have a good track-record there I think.
Too many typos.
Too pretentious.
Too much stiff narcissism by the writers.
Too much thinly disguised not-faschism-pron
Too much grandiloquent failure to acknowledge the inherent satire in much of 40K
FW fluff is 40K fluff at its worst by and large (with exceptions proving the rule).
Other than the typos, which I do find concerning at times (I think I saw them misspell "were" as "where" at least 4 times on one page in IA3), I have to disagree with you here. The IA books give a good scope of the 40k fluff from the military/campaign point of view. I think it does so excellently, and I don't know what you mean about the "pretentious/narcissism" part. I never picked up on it.
Pacific wrote: Can someone please reference where they got the £70 figure from for the book?
It's on the forgeworld gamesday preview page above the picture of the book.
Personally, I know quite a few friends that will buy the book, so I'll wait for a package deal myself, that will probably have a nice sleeve to hold them all together.
I'm a little dissapointed that so far they don't seem to include a poster, I love those!
I must admit I'm blanching at the price somewhat, but as Games Day falls 2 days after this month's payday, I think I might be buying it. I also think that considering the epic amount of cash you see spunked over the ForgeWorld desk at most UK Games Days, that this book will unfortunately be a roaring success at this price and no one at GW Towers will ever be convinced that dropping the price is a good idea.
Probably means I won't be doing the BL Weekender that I was thinking about doing though.
I'm sure I'll be picking up the terminators and anything else that can be fitted into a normal codex but thats it and those jet bikes looked really nice..
Don't give up so easily you can still use the jet bikes as really cool proxies for normal bikes
On a serious note, I really wonder about the volume of sales comparison between GW and FW. $ sales are a different thing (I remember a few price rises here and there) but volume % increases are a fair way to say that FW is doing VERY WELL.
Purely going off my own thoughts and based on no factual evidence whatsoever, I would have thought that even though FW is definitely doing better and better, the number of straightforward plastic Space Marines sold by GW every year is still staggering, so I would think that in terms of total financial performance, GW is still beating FW quite comfortably.
I keep thinking about that JJ quote about the whole thing being a front for drugs, has anyone from GW ever worked out how many legions of Astartes have been produced and sold in 28mm (ish) form??
Chancetragedy wrote: Those are the most rediculous jet bikes ive ever seen. They are flying sex toys..... Will not be buying. How has no one mentioned this yet? They look like phallus's? Phallusii? Phalluses? I don't know the plural of phallus....
Everything else though looks good.
it has been mentioned many times my friend... page one has a "sounds like bilbo, but isnt" post for starters
Absolutely disgusting price though, I'm continuously astounded by how greedy both GW and FW have become, there is absolutely no way you could justify such a high price - this is surely the highlight of that so far.
Ozymandias wrote:Yes, how dare they steal your money from you! Or, you can, you know, not buy it.
As I wrote above..
Pacific wrote:
I really wanted this book, I've been collecting Pre-Heresy stuff since the beginning, but on principle I'm not going to buy it if it costs that much.
I'm kind of glad when I did this pre-heresy lark when it first came along, and made an army 3-4 years ago (even though it does look decidedly poor compared to the new Forge World stuff! ), everything coming from Forge World now seems to be priced at the 'because we can, and look they still buy it lol' level. £70 for a book is an absolute piss-take whichever way you look at it.
Hi there,
We come to it at last, perhaps the most exciting week in Forge World’s history. Today we’re revealing some of what you can expect from our Studio area at Games Day UK on Sunday 23rd September, and if that wasn’t enough we can reveal the first of many Horus Heresy models that will be available to buy in limited numbers from our Sales stand on the day!
The Horus Heresy Volume I: Betrayal
If you missed last week’s newsletter, we’ve added a new video to our YouTube channel, in which Alan Bligh reveals more about the first of our Horus Heresy books which apparently a few people are quite excited about.
The Horus Heresy Book I: Betrayal will be on sale for the very first time, in limited numbers, at Games Day UK on Sunday 23rd September.
Lavishly decorated, this book is leather-bound with inlaid metal detailing and foil-blocked page edging, and also features metal cleats to the corners of the book’s casing impressed with the Imperial Aquila. This 290-page tome delves into the fratricidal conflict on Isstvan III that saw Warmaster Horus’s traitor Legions purge their own ranks of those legionaries that would remain loyal to Terra.
It is a stand-alone supplement for Warhammer 40,000 and contains a vast array of colour profiles, maps and artwork. Also included is a full Space Marine Legion army list and background, histories, character profiles and special rules for the Death Guard, Sons of Horus, World Eaters and Emperor’s Children Legions.
You can find out more about this amazing book on the Games Day UK page on the Forge World website.
The Forge World Studio at Games Day UK As befits the largest Games Workshop event of the year, each year our entire studio decamps to the NEC in Birmingham for Games Day UK, and this year is no exception!
Our Miniatures Designers will each be showcasing their most recent models as well as work-in-progress kits and concept work. You’ll be able to chat to each designer about the process they went through creating the fantastic Horus Heresy, Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 models that make up our range, and you might even discover a few of our top secret future plans too…
The Book Design team will be displaying the incredible amount of talent and effort that goes into each of our books. Our Graphic Illustration staff will be working on fantastic colour profiles and artwork before your very eyes on their high-tech pict-cogitators, while the Writing team will be displaying early proof copies of their latest work and answering all your questions about how and why we select each narrative.
The studio area wouldn’t be complete without the unique display boards we create to accompany our books, and we will have some old favourites for you to admire too. Our Painters and Mould Makers (and, in fact, the majority of our design team) are even now slaving away on a mountain of foam, wire, plastic sprues and resin models to create one of the most amazing display tables we have ever produced for this year’s Games Day. All will be revealed on Sunday 23rd September, of course, but for now all we can mention is an awful lot of Space Marines…
Games Day UK Pre-release Kits
Scimitar Pattern Space Marine Legion Jetbike
Squadrons of ‘Sky Hunters’ are fielded by almost all of the Legiones Astartes. These feared strike units are heavily armed and mounted upon sophisticated and powerful craft more akin to small flyers than ground bikes. There are several patterns of jetbike produced by the Mechanicum, all of which are modified from designs that pre-date the Imperium, and all of which are in considerable demand by the Space Marine Legions.
The Scimitar Pattern Space Marine Legion Jetbike, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a single multi-part resin model which features four weapons options: a Heavy Bolter, Plasma Cannon, Multi-melta or Volkite Culverin. This detailed resin kit will be available to buy at Games Day, in limited numbers.
Alongside this is the Scimitar Pattern Legion Jetbike Squadron – this kit contains three Jetbikes and will also be available to purchase in limited numbers at Games Day.
Space Marine Legion Shoulder Pads, Decals and Etched Brass
Simon Egan and Edgar Skomorowski have designed sets of MkII and MkIV shoulder pads for the Sons of Horus, Death Guard, Emperor’s Children and World Eaters Legions. Each set contains 10 resin shoulder pads bearing Legion insignia, and each set will be on sale in limited numbers at Games Day.
We’ll also have limited numbers of Sons of Horus and Death Guard Etched Brass and World Eaters, Sons of Horus and Death Guard Decal Sheets, each designed by Paul Rudge and each packed with Legion-specific heraldry, blazons and squad insignia.
Forge World Events News
Games Day UK We’re going to be bringing you a Forge World newsletter every day this week with details of what we’ll be showcasing, displaying and pre-releasing at Games Day UK on Sunday 23rd September.
Tickets are still available for the biggest Games Workshop event of the year, so pop into your local Hobby Centre, call GW Customer Service on 0115 91 40000 or visit the Games Workshop online store to buy them.
We’ve also added a Games Day UK page to the Forge World website, and beside our daily newsletters it’s here that you’ll find all the latest information about everything we’ll be doing, pre-releasing and displaying at Games Day.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
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The Scimitar Pattern Space Marine Legion Jetbike, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a single multi-part resin model which features four weapons options: a Heavy Bolter, Plasma Cannon, Multi-melta or Volkite Culverin
Pacific wrote: £70 for a book is an absolute piss-take whichever way you look at it.
Ah, the sheltered life of people who have never had to buy an expensive textbook. $115 for a 300 page hardcover book in a limited market isn't really all that shocking, and I'd probably get more use out of it than the $150-200 textbooks I've had to buy.
And sure, FW could have dropped the quality of the book to codex level and cut the price to match, but would anyone really want to buy that? The whole appeal of buying FW books is that it's a high-quality hardcover full of awesome content, and that simply doesn't come cheap.
Pacific wrote: £70 for a book is an absolute piss-take whichever way you look at it.
Ah, the sheltered life of people who have never had to buy an expensive textbook. $115 for a 300 page hardcover book in a limited market isn't really all that shocking, and I'd probably get more use out of it than the $150-200 textbooks I've had to buy.
And sure, FW could have dropped the quality of the book to codex level and cut the price to match, but would anyone really want to buy that? The whole appeal of buying FW books is that it's a high-quality hardcover full of awesome content, and that simply doesn't come cheap.
Where's that NOT SURE IF SERIOUS picture again...?
Actually, its true. Whilst £70 is alot of cash, it certainly isn't the most expensive book I would have bought. And it has the added bonus as being one that will bring me joy, unlike several boring textbooks...
£70 is nothing for a full colour leather-bound book...
The price of some photography books I purchase would cause a stroke in some people here. And they ain't even full colour...
I'm one of those people who has always just accepted the expense of FW items. Unlike GW prices, FW items are expensive but I never really think much about them.
But a £70 book has me turning away from this series. Taros is arguably the largest IA release to date, and it's £55. Why is this £70? The pleather cover?
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if they did not...but they haven't done that with Tamurkhan, so they might not.
See, THIS is my concern. Tamurkhan shouldn't have been a flop, but so few bought it that it seems like one. And then we never heard about a another book. Forge World is the perfect venue for some of these figures, but they really need to tone down the gold-plated pricetag of some things.
How was Tamurkhan even close to a flop? I sold tons of copies all across the world, I know in my area in arizona I've seen more than a few floating around.
Forgeworld has kept current with Tamurkhan and even released FAQ and contiune to update information as needed.
I say this is FAR from a flop, also black fire pass is set for december. Think before you speak
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm one of those people who has always just accepted the expense of FW items. Unlike GW prices, FW items are expensive but I never really think much about them.
But a £70 book has me turning away from this series. Taros is arguably the largest IA release to date, and it's £55. Why is this £70? The pleather cover?
It is £70 because GW/FW thinks that this series is going to be a huge seller (it is) and that they'll be able to 'get away' with this rather ridiculous price.
I guess BL paved the way for them, selling thousands of copies of HH novelas for $50 within a few hours, if that...
It isn't a ridiculous price for a book, though. It's pretty much typical across all spectrums. Now, those new FW jetbikes selling for £70? Those are over-priced...
Just Dave wrote: I do wonder why they went for non-standard Jetbikes that we've never seen before, than the classic jetbikes that everyone would want?
I'd imagine the classic jetbikes would be really popular, a great opening product and even hurt Chapterhouse a bit.
Maybe we will see other patterns turn up? They did such a good job with the rhino.... maybe they could not decide which old style to copy because the guard bikes had the BMW nose, and the marine bikes had the cow catcher plow front. Oh and what is a Volkite Culverin?
Searching for it broke the internet.
"No results found for Volkite Culverin."
Well gak. I should just give them my bank account deet's. take all my money.
I haven't felt this giddy in a long, long time. Come to think of it, the last time I felt like this was when my daughter was born.
And re: the price of the book, are you kidding me? 70£ is nothing for what you're getting, if you're in doubt. Call a local printing service ask them what it'd cost you to have full color prints on 90+ pages. (and then ask what it'd cost to get it w. the pagecount from the book)
Then when you have those numbers, account for production, salary, marketing, distribution.
@alpharius, yeah thought i tacked that onto my reply, It's all relative.
I don't mind the moneygrab for this kind of humongous fanservice, i mean.. we've all been doing pre-heresy armies, we've talked about how cool it'd be if they did this, and then.. well.. they did.
And this geek for one, appreciates it
Alpharius wrote: I'm just upset over the $100 +/- that I'm going to have to drop on this book!
I'm hoping someone will ask them about that at the event. I would be much happier for the IA level of book for $25 less. I do not require gold foil or metal corners or any of that fancy crap.
I believe they just mean they only have a limited quantity available at the show. These have varied, I've heard in the past them only having 25 and other time hundreds more.
Or do you mean the number of copies on sale at the UKGD?
Sorry should have been more clear. But yeah I meant GD.
No way of knowing. They had plenty of the Event Only miniatures on Day 4 of GenCon this year. However, due to the popularity of HH (and causing people like me to go ape gak for it), they'll probably sell out quickly.
If you were going to wait in the long line (or que, as you good chaps say) anyway, then I'd do it first thing. Otherwise, wait a week, then order it from the FW website.
I guess you are not familiar with the size of the Big Momma. It dwarfs demolisher cannons. But yes, before the Typhon I was going to use the Ares rules.
Indeed he does. I have no interest in any of the traitor primarchs, heretical scum... but if they all look this good, they may warrant collecting, even if they are 75 bucks a piece. I assume they will all come with such a diorama.
Will Angron come as the diorama in the picture, I thought that was just for the photo? That will be great for display purposes but not so much for gaming.
There's 2 other pics in that link if someone wants to re-post them (i can't on my phone).
Angron looks amazing though, I don't think that picture can really do it justice, but it looks like it'll be an amazing model. Mortarion will look incredible.
Hope they don't all come with attached diorama, however.
If this is the one of the actual Primarch models I am very happy, because they do not differ in size very much compared to normal Space Marines. Hopefully you do not have to purchase this diorama thing ... I mean some people want to use the primarchs in games, don't they?
I really don't care for the sponsons - they look like someone taped a couple of guns to the tank. I do like the rounded turret, though. Impractical as hell, but attractive.
The painting is hit or miss, but when it hits, it's great. Their style is notably grittier than GW, which I prefer and really suites the HH line they've begun to roll out.
Models are very sexy, prices are somewhat painful but not unexpected for forgeworld. Sadly I will be broke as a joke in no time with some of this stuff
I love this, the only complaint I have is that Gorefather and Gorechild look really ordinary and lackluster... I know he doesn't give a poop about ornate details, but I just find next to the armor they look far too 'ordinary'
Still, wicked to see this all the same, minor kevetching aside!
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me that's all awesome. I may have to actually get something from Forge World now. Those jetbikes and a squad of those terminators will look awesome in my army.
.............. well i guess i know what santas bringing 
