What's even better is that they'll keep us up to date on the progress of the army:
Yup, plastic Sisters of Battle are on their way. For reals.
We know many of you have been waiting patiently (and impatiently…) for a long time for the Adepta Sororitas, and that for many of you this is more than ‘just’ a new army. So, we’re going to do something we’ve never done before – right up until the release, we’ll be bringing you updates on the Sisters of Battle, sharing images and snippets of info and a whole ton of behind the scenes goodness.
Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019.
PLASTIC SISTERS OF BATTLE! I've been waiting for this longer (and sometimes more desperate) than for losing my virginity.
I will stop buying anything else. I need to save the money. I will finish all other hobby projects because I need a clean desk. And I will keep telling my wife, that we will spend A LOT of money on plastic crack, once the sisters hit the stores.
Okay, well there’s one of the things I didn’t think I’d see happen. I feel kind of sorry for the other companies working on plastic sisters at the moment.
So now the obvious question comes up. Where are the squats?
Duskland wrote: Okay, well there’s one of the things I didn’t think I’d see happen. I feel kind of sorry for the other companies working on plastic sisters at the moment.
So now the obvious question comes up. Where are the squats?
Dunno. Knowing GW prices and how they like to hike them up by the time they get released it's quite possible plastic sisters costs about same as the metal models now. Leaves market for other companies. World is funny in that there's room for more than 1 company. There's room for space marine equilavents. Why not sisters.
Wow, sisters were my first real army (Back in 2nd ed. when they were first released, before they got actual magic powers and were just really strong willed religious zealots) and now I live to see them return.
There is no way in hell they're going to live up to the hype, though...
Honestly, I'm not impressed or excited. This is not how a new release works, and we all know it. A major new release is supposed to have, you know, actual pics of actual minis. But this is nothing but noise. We're getting plastic Sisters ... in 2019. "Emperor willing," whatever that qualifier means. And not only do we get an "IOU" note instead of actual information (meanwhile, in AoS land, tons of pics of sea elves FFS) but Sisters will also be the guinea pigs for some kind of experimental marketing internet reality show. Oh boy, I can't wait until everyone who hates Adepta Sororitas (you can tell who they are because they "love Sisters" except that everything about them needs to be changed) weighs in every step of the way. GW presents literally everything else to the customers as a fait accompli but Sisters' development is open for general comment and criticism ... forgive me for not feeling honored here. I anticipated a new Sisters release could go terribly wrong (like with some kind of brand new visual direction) but I never expected an anticlimax like this.
Very much looking forward to the behind-the-scenes stuff, it's something I've wanted from GW for a long time. Of course the reason they are revealing this so early is because there are currently no less than three third parties doing major launches of not-SoB, but still!
Manchu wrote: Honestly, I'm not impressed or excited. This is not how a new release works, and we all know it. A major new release is supposed to have, you know, actual pics of actual minis. But this is nothing but noise. We're getting plastic Sisters ... in 2019. "Emperor willing," whatever that qualifier means. And not only do we get an "IOU" note instead of actual information (meanwhile, in AoS land, tons of pics of sea elves FFS) but Sisters will also be the guinea pigs for some kind of experimental marketing internet reality show. Oh boy, I can't wait until everyone who hates Adepta Sororitas (you can tell who they are because they "love Sisters" except that everything about them needs to be changed) weighs in every step of the way. GW presents literally everything else to the customers as a fait accompli but Sisters' development is open for general comment and criticism ... forgive me for not feeling honored here. I anticipated a new Sisters release could go terribly wrong (like with some kind of brand new visual direction) but I never expected an anticlimax like this.
They are saying they put in previews. Doesn't mean they are going to be changing anything based on comments or even read. So what the problem is? GW doing something that about every other company out there does? It works for others but for some reason doesn't for GW?
Kinda funny. You prefer them not showing anything until they get released rather than free previews? Funny.
I mean, is our situation really that different now? Like you just posted "I hope the models look good and there are cool options," yeah this is what Sisters fans and players have been saying for ... well, let's not dwell on how long. And now we can keep saying the same things until 2019, I guess, sort of, maybe, let's hope, Emperor willing. Trust me, the real bitching will begin when these "behind-the-scenes snippets" start trickling in.
I mean, is our situation really that different now? Like you just posted "I hope the models look good and there are cool options," yeah this is what Sisters fans and players have been saying for ... well, let's not dwell on how long. And now we can keep saying the same things until 2019, I guess, sort of, maybe, let's hope, Emperor willing. Trust me, the real bitching will begin when these "behind-the-scenes snippets" start trickling in.
You get to see models sooner than 2019. And rules. That's somewhat different to before. Oh and before there wasn't even mention are they coming never mind when.
tneva82 wrote: You prefer them not showing anything until they get released rather than free previews? Funny.
Yes, it makes me very nervous to see GW announce they can be bothered to finally do something wity my favorite army, which they have mockingly neglected (seriously, there are plastic Sisters of Silence models), because they can be used as a vehicle to experiment with marketing. Experiment with your dumb sea elves and give Sisters a normal release.
tneva82 wrote: You prefer them not showing anything until they get released rather than free previews? Funny.
Yes, it makes me very nervous to see GW announce they can be bothered to finally do something wity my favorite army, which they have mockingly neglected (seriously, there are plastic Sisters of Silence models), because they can be used as a vehicle to experiment with marketing. Experiment with your dumb sea elves and give Sisters a normal release.
So let's see...Exact same models, exact same rules. One way you keep them hidden until you release, one you trible feed sneak peeks ahead...And hiding is better option?
What? You think they are going to sell less well because of sneak peeks? Only danger from that.
tneva82 wrote: You get to see models sooner than 2019. And rules.
I don't see any promises about that. Again, this is smoke without fire.
tneva82 wrote: Oh and before there wasn't even mention are they coming never mind when.
I already had faith GW would release them; the "garbage bin" gag from last year all but confirmed it. I don't need to know kinda sorta maybe when. The notion that this release will be on one of three hundred sixty five days (Emperor willing!) is not very meaningful, much less exciting.
Sisters fans have a motto: I'll believe it when I see it - and GW hasn't shown me anything yet.
tneva82 wrote: You prefer them not showing anything until they get released rather than free previews? Funny.
Yes, it makes me very nervous to see GW announce they can be bothered to finally do something wity my favorite army, which they have mockingly neglected (seriously, there are plastic Sisters of Silence models), because they can be used as a vehicle to experiment with marketing. Experiment with your dumb sea elves and give Sisters a normal release.
I don’t think this is experimental marketing for future releases. The rational behind not showing previews and design work on other new releases is that it doesn’t give their competitors advance notice of what they’re going to inevitably copy. SoB are a very different prospect because we already know what they look like. Instead the focus switches to convincing customers not to buy SoB inspired minis from those competitors in the meantime.
Manchu wrote: I already had faith GW would release them; the "garbage bin" gag from last year all but confirmed it. I don't need to know kinda sorta maybe when. The notion that this release will be on one of three hundred sixty five days (Emperor willing!) is not very meaningful, much less exciting.
Sisters fans have a motto: I'll believe it when I see it - and GW hasn't shown me anything yet.
I can understand being concerned, Manchu, but surely after the last couple of tone-deaf "gags" about plastic Sisters, getting confirmation that they will deliver plastic Sisters (finally) next year is better than taking it on faith?
I mean, I'm not sure what this does for SoB getting a Codex - did GW promise a Codex for every faction within 12 months of 8th ed dropping, or have I mis-remembered that? It would make sense to hold the SoB book back for the model release, but this is GW...
Dysartes, your memory is correct so ... well, promises promises, right? Again, the SOB fan motto: I'll believe it when I see it. And GW is showing nothing right now. And it's not clear what will be shown.
Dude they haven't shown anything because they are pushing Sisters up the production cycle so haven't finalised all the designs. They are doing this in response to feedback from the survey. Sisters are coming.
This is fantastic. I painted my sisters in 1998, if I am not mistaken, and even though I love the metal models, I have been looking forward towards plastic sisters for 20 years now.
Showing the design process as it happens is a fantastic idea. I wish they'd do that more often, especially with releasing concept art. Speaking of concept art, please hire Mark Gibbons again. Man was a legend.
Manchu wrote: Oh boy, I can't wait until everyone who hates Adepta Sororitas (you can tell who they are because they "love Sisters" except that everything about them needs to be changed) weighs in every step of the way.
Isn't that every Sisters player ever?
I'm not (just) messing with you Manchu. I've never seen a Sisters player go "That was great! So glad they released that.".
"We haven't had a Codex since 2nd Ed!" "Ok, here's the Witch Hunter Codex filled with new rules for all the Sisters, plus new units, including new miniatures." "We don't want to share with the Inquisition!" "Well now there's a new edition of the game." "You took all our rules away! We don't have a Codex any more!" "But you said you didn't like that... *sigh* Fine! Here's a digital Codex now that the new edition has come out." "We don't like that Codex! It's bad." "Well we've updated the Sisters rules in the Imperial Agents book." "We don't want to share with the Inquisition!" "GAH!" *tears hair out*
And on and on and on and on and on!
There is no more perpetually perturbed group that Sisters players.
For some the release of Sisters is long overdue. For others it seems like it'll just be the next battlefield for a group to complain about how what they got wasn't good enough.
A friend of mine is ecstatic for this news. I'm hopeful that the main kit will be 10 strong and not a 5-strong kit for the price of 10 that can build 2 different kits.
Manchu wrote: Again, the SOB fan motto: I'll believe it when I see it, then complain about it when I do.
My wallet is glad they are due next year as I have Knights to buy this year.
I already have a sizable collection of Sisters, I'm hopeful we will see new units and new weapons rather than plastic versions of what we already have so I have a reason to properly expand the army rather than just replace stuff. That might seem churlish, but as a long time Sisters player I want to be able to spend big on our plastic release.
There'll probably be new units, but of course they'll be doing new ordinary Battle Sisters squads, Celestians, Seraphim, etc. You might see the Immolator return, but that'll be the only thing carrying over from the old army, I expect.
I wonder how much they'll change? Will it be the equivalent of the change from 2nd edition metal Space Marines to the plastic kits in 3rd edition? Or more like the change from 3rd edition to 5th edition Dark Eldar?
I'm not (just) messing with you Manchu. I've never seen a Sisters player go "That was great! So glad they released that.".
"We haven't had a Codex since 2nd Ed!"
"Ok, here's the Witch Hunter Codex filled with new rules for all the Sisters, plus new units, including new miniatures."
"We don't want to share with the Inquisition!"
"Well now there's a new edition of the game."
"You took all our rules away! We don't have a Codex any more!"
"But you said you didn't like that... *sigh* Fine! Here's a digital Codex now that the new edition has come out."
"We don't like that Codex! It's bad."
"Well we've updated the Sisters rules in the Imperial Agents book."
"We don't want to share with the Inquisition!"
"GAH!" *tears hair out*
And on and on and on and on and on!
There is no more perpetually perturbed group that Sisters players.
For some the release of Sisters is long overdue. For others it seems like it'll just be the next battlefield for a group to complain about how what they got wasn't good enough.
A friend of mine is ecstatic for this news. I'm hopeful that the main kit will be 10 strong and not a 5-strong kit for the price of 10 that can build 2 different kits.
So what you're saying is you don't have any sympathy for nearly 20 years of totally legitimate complaints from Sisters of Battle players and fans? You may find the complaints annoying, but that doesn't mean they haven't been completely justified. Aside from The original 2nd edition release, the plastic Immolator and the new Celestine every Sisters release ever has been somewhere between a mixed bag and an absolute shitshow, with plenty to be unhappy about.
I suppose if people obsessed with the Sisters of Battle miniatures didn't behave like Kanye every time something else was released ("legitimate"? In what way? it's not like anyone deserves a new release, or is being denied anything they have a right to), then others might be more receptive to their comments.
Jake, just don't. HBMC is just sad he's going to lose his favourite punching bag
Seriously though, of course some people aren't going to be happy when the release finally comes, because some people are always unhappy with every release. All of the legit complaints though will go away, and that's what's annoying the folk who enjoy taking the piss - it's less a case of "what will Sisters players complain about now, fnar fnar" and more one of "what will I complain about now Sisters players will be happy", hah.
For me, so long as the models we eventually get are actually Sisters - ie, so long as GW don't allow the Right On Brigade to skew this new "participatory" design process so far towards Tumblr Land that we end up getting Sisters so shorn of their defining visual characteristics that they're basically just short female Primaris - I will be a happy chappie, and I'd wager the same will be true for most.
Manchu wrote: forgive me for not feeling honored here.
I don't forgive you, your complaints are arbitrary and self-victimizing nonsense. You're just being a contrarian.
The announcement is a good thing, and that they're announcing it a year before release is also a good thing. Announcing projects well before release is what gw SHOULD be doing and should have been doing this whole time.
Wait, people were upset with Viridyan? They couldnt keep her in stock, if i recall...
Im sure there will be a Sisters box, a Retributor box, a Seraphim box, a Command Squad/Celestan box with bling, and a bunch of character blisters, like every big release they have done lately. Kind of like how the 6th/7th Marine releases were updated Tactical, Devastator, and Assault Marine boxes.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never seen a Sisters player go "That was great! So glad they released that.".
That was almost literally my response to plastic Celestine and her Geminae: "I have been waiting for this for a long, long time and GW has not disappointed! St Celestine and here Seraphim guards look AMAZING! Cannot wait to get them."
And from the same thread:
"Wow I am so happy with St Celestine and those Seraphim, I like them more every time I see them. Didn't realize how worried I was that GW would sweep them aside or redesign them into something unrecognizable. But here they are and they look exactly right."
Doubt it. From what I can see, a significant amount of the customers for these third-party imitators is people who don't want to buy from GW out of principle, not just because they can't get GW minis. There's also people who prefer the look of the non-GW minis, which confuses me somewhat - if they don't like the models GW makes, what got them into 40k in the first place?
AndrewGPaul wrote: Doubt it. From what I can see, a significant amount of the customers for these third-party imitators is people who don't want to buy from GW out of principle, not just because they can't get GW minis. There's also people who prefer the look of the non-GW minis, which confuses me somewhat - if they don't like the models GW makes, what got them into 40k in the first place?
Well, agree with you on some of that, yeah. I think part of the market is undeniably that GW's range is dated (e.g. with the excellent Regiments bits) so knowing new GW plastics are on the horizon might make people hold off. IDK. Like I said, hope it doesn't make too much of a difference.
I'm not sure people realise just how long it takes for GW to plan and prepare a release, and especially an entire faction, but it's easily a year.
As far as I can tell from the video, the decision to do Sisters is a direct result of the big survey from late November last year, which shows that the "new" GW is more than willing to listen to community opinion. Once the data from the survey had been gathered and analysed, GW finally recognised the demand for plastic Sisters of Battle. We don't know exactly when they decided to produced Sisters, but the firm responsible for the survey, most likely needed a couple of weeks to analyse the data and compile a report, which they probably presented in early February, giving GW a couple of weeks to react, before they made the decision, at some point in late February, to produce plastic Sisters of Battle .
The sole reason the news doesn't contain much information, besides telling us it might happen next year, is merely because there isn't much to report yet. There hasn't even been time to produce concept art. And this is a new and different approach from GW, because when they normally preview releases the item has been at least 6 months in production. Rather, GW seems to want to involve the community in the development of this new range, or at least show us how it's proceeding in the upcoming months.
So this is good news on at least two counts; plastic Sisters, and GW not only asking for our opinions, but also being willing to listen and letting community opinion influence or even direct the decisions they make. This is a good value for a company to have.
AndrewGPaul wrote: Doubt it. From what I can see, a significant amount of the customers for these third-party imitators is people who don't want to buy from GW out of principle, not just because they can't get GW minis. There's also people who prefer the look of the non-GW minis, which confuses me somewhat - if they don't like the models GW makes, what got them into 40k in the first place?
I doubt that. Why would they be playing 40k if they have some kind of grudge against GW to the point where they won't even buy their models? I Think this is going to heavily impact both Anvil, Shieldwolf and Wargames Exclusive's not-Sisters, and I think that's exactly what GW wanted. Then again, that's the risk these companies took when they hinged large releases on the premise that another company wouldn't release the original to their imitations before it was too late.
I can see how even a reasonable person might think I'm just being contrarian because, after all, GW is counting on this being received as wonderful news and most people don't care enough about Sisters to question that.
To those reasonable people, I answer: For those of us who have kept this candle lit, the big questions are not IF or really even WHEN. Rather, we've been anxious about HOW. To what extent will it be a re-release or reboot instead of a release? Will our favorite faction be recognizable? Celestine and her Geminae were a very welcome reassurance albeit a very limited one, given how many further questions remain: what about Repentia? how much of any Sisters release will be devoted to non-Sisters units (Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy)? etc., etc.
About long-term lead time marketing, please note that companies that do this effectively begin by revealing product and then spending a few months hyping it. What we have here is only vague, qualified information, nothing at all tangible and 9-21 months of ... what? More teasing? Some kind of live development? (Almost certainly not, at least I hope not.) Again, I'd rather any faction other than Sisters serve as GW's labrat in figuring out how to market something prospectively 1.5 years or more before release.
And new Guard plastics, plastic Thunderhawk, new Berserkers, Noise Marines, Ork buggies, the list goes on...
Great news though! Was just looking at my old 5th Edition rulebook, how far we've come since then - Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer cults, Knights, Custodes, Harlequins, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, Necromunda (including a 40k Beastman and a Squat)... What a time to be alive.
I can see how even a reasonable person might think I'm just being contrarian because, after all, GW is counting on this being received as wonderful news and most people don't care enough about Sisters to question that.
To those reasonable people, I answer: For those of us who have kept this candle lit, the big questions are not IF or really even WHEN. Rather, we've been anxious about HOW. To what extent will it be a re-release or reboot instead of a release? Will our favorite faction be recognizable? Celestine and her Geminae were a very welcome reassurance albeit a very limited one, given how many further questions remain: what about Repentia? how much of any Sisters release will be devoted to non-Sisters units (Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy)? etc., etc.
About long-term lead time marketing, please note that companies that do this effectively begin by revealing product and then spending a few months hyping it. What we have here is only vague, qualified information, nothing at all tangible and 9-21 months of ... what? More teasing? Some kind of live development? (Almost certainly not, at least I hope not.) Again, I'd rather any faction other than Sisters serve as GW's labrat in figuring out how to market something prospectively 1.5 years or more before release.
You are overthinking it. They announced it because they want to allay the fears and complaints of SoB fans - they are responding to the criticism about the lack of releases by saying WE ARE DOING THIS. Production has long lead times and they are pushing it up, but there are limits. In an ideal world there would already be a full range of SoB plastics, but there aren't. They want to allay your fears. They are saying don't worry - we are working on it. Isn't this preferable to silence and teases?
Concerns over what they will be exactly are reasonable and appropriate for every release, mind.
Overthinking X is what fans of X do. For everyone else, this is totally fine - I get it.
As for moving them up in the production schedule, I wonder what got bumped. As in what has GW now decided is an even lower priority than Sisters of Battle? (My guess remains Jokaero Liberation Army.)
Also it's such a big fan request they want to make sure what the fans want. Misgranting a request like this can backfire spectacularly.
Also if they decided to do SoB when they got the results of the survey, that means it hasn't been more than 3-4 months. GW production times for a new line can be over a year up to 18 months.
Idoneth are probably the next big release. I'm willing to bet we'll see them before the end of april.
I can see how even a reasonable person might think I'm just being contrarian because, after all, GW is counting on this being received as wonderful news and most people don't care enough about Sisters to question that.
To those reasonable people, I answer: For those of us who have kept this candle lit, the big questions are not IF or really even WHEN. Rather, we've been anxious about HOW. To what extent will it be a re-release or reboot instead of a release? Will our favorite faction be recognizable? Celestine and her Geminae were a very welcome reassurance albeit a very limited one, given how many further questions remain: what about Repentia? how much of any Sisters release will be devoted to non-Sisters units (Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy)? etc., etc.
About long-term lead time marketing, please note that companies that do this effectively begin by revealing product and then spending a few months hyping it. What we have here is only vague, qualified information, nothing at all tangible and 9-21 months of ... what? More teasing? Some kind of live development? (Almost certainly not, at least I hope not.) Again, I'd rather any faction other than Sisters serve as GW's labrat in figuring out how to market something prospectively 1.5 years or more before release.
None of this is anything to do with this announcement though. We have literally gone from a perpetual wait to having a date for it. 1 year to go.
They will design what they will design. Unless something is horrifically received it won't change and as has been pointed out, the sisters stuff we have had has remained true to the sisters aesthetic.
You only got this announcement as a response to the survey (and probably the spam in every facebook comment thread); otherwise it'd be like the Daughters of Khaine and Deepkin - a quick mention in the background of something else, a few Rumour Engine pics six months out and a reveal of the miniatures with a month or so to go. This time round, you're going to get a bit more - pics of concept art, perhaps, interviews with the designers and writers, some retrospective articles (they'll possibly dig up the picture of Sister Sin from the back of Rogue Trader, or the female Space Marine miniatures), perhaps some pictures of the sprues where you can't quite make out any details.
I don't know why you've decided this means it'll be " Some kind of live development", whatever that means. The miniatures are probably already designed by now.
AndrewGPaul wrote: You only got this announcement as a response to the survey (and probably the spam in every facebook comment thread); otherwise it'd be like the Daughters of Khaine and Deepkin - a quick mention in the background of something else, a few Rumour Engine pics six months out and a reveal of the miniatures with a month or so to go. This time round, you're going to get a bit more - pics of concept art, perhaps, interviews with the designers and writers, some retrospective articles (they'll possibly dig up the picture of Sister Sin from the back of Rogue Trader, or the female Space Marine miniatures), perhaps some pictures of the sprues where you can't quite make out any details.
I don't know why you've decided this means it'll be " Some kind of live development", whatever that means. The miniatures are probably already designed by now.
There's also no mention of it being "collaborative" as some have leapt to.
It's just cool updates and teasers, earlier than normal. Should be fun.
To those reasonable people, I answer: For those of us who have kept this candle lit, the big questions are not IF or really even WHEN. Rather, we've been anxious about HOW. To what extent will it be a re-release or reboot instead of a release? Will our favorite faction be recognizable? Celestine and her Geminae were a very welcome reassurance albeit a very limited one, given how many further questions remain: what about Repentia? how much of any Sisters release will be devoted to non-Sisters units (Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy)? etc., etc.
This is something I worry about. The last time (the only time) Sisters got a real update it did flesh out the army a lot, but mostly by adding a bunch of non-sisters stuff. Thats never been what I wanted from the army, and it was super disappointing at the time. I'm hoping that this time, in addition to plastic kits, we'll see an expansion of actual Sisters of Battle stuff. My fear (and I don't think its unfounded) is that instead we'll see a lot of Ministorium stuff. Which is certainly better than Inquisition stuff, and its not like Ministorium units don't have a place in the army, but what got me into the army (and 40K) 20 years ago was Sisters, and thats what I want to see more of. Hopefully thats what we'll get.
Vorian wrote: None of this is anything to do with this announcement though.
Exactly my point. Stated differently, it's a non-announcement. "We hope to release something, who knows what, within 21 months." OK, I guess.
Vorian wrote: Unless something is horrifically received it won't change
What does "horrific" mean? Received by whom? These are rhetorical questions ITT; hopefully that's as far as it will ever go. But this huge marketing lead makes me wonder, what's the point? Do we need over a year of teases to explain Sisters of Battle, an existing faction, to potential buyers? (Like, as compared to out of fething nowhere sea elves?) Or is all this "behind the scenes" stuff just patter that will amount to a couple of vague Warhammer Community posts? I really hope GW explains what this is all about and what we can actually expect soon, or, you know, any substantive information.
Manchu wrote: Some kind of live development? (Almost certainly not, at least I hope not.)
AndrewGPaul wrote: I don't know why you've decided this means it'll be " Some kind of live development", whatever that means.'
How did you conclude from me saying X almost certainly will not be the case that I have decided X will be the case?
Point is, GW has "announced" something so vague (on top of it being totally novel and, in any case, without clear purpose) that it could mean all kinds of stuff, including some kind of transparency or solicitation of feedback.
On top of that, whether GW actually wants feedback (which I doubt, other than purely positive "this is great news" style cheering), showing something in development does in fact trigger critical responses, which can only lead to frustration when the thing is already done despite the implication that it's still "in development."
I'm not sure what clarification people are wanting exactly. We've got a (non joke) announcement video (with a specific animation made for it, that costs money). We've been told they're going to show development for the whole range over the year (never been done before) and according to the Adepticon thread, GW will have the Sisters beta rules in CA 2018 so they can revise them before a 2019 release. So I'm really not seeing what peoples problems are.
I suspect that part of it is a response to how rabid and sizable the fanbase is, as may have been more clearly illustrated by the survey where it's readily quantifiable over the perception of "people on Facebook sure ask often."
If they say nothing, customers will likely spend money elsewhere and potentially on directly competing analogs. Announce Sisters and stay mum for the ~18 months of your typical development pipeline, and you'll have your communications channels swamped by now-incensed fans who have a legitimate query; before it was hypothetical pleading and now they know something is coming (and may still be eyeing alternatives). While your theory that the public will screw things up by providing feedback that GW takes on board is plausible, it could simply be GW trying to safeguard a few sales of a product they've decided to do.
Unfortunately the only way to know is to wait until closer to 2019 when we've seen things play out. For the time being I'll just be happy that they're getting something instead of being ignored.
Manchu wrote: Some kind of live development? (Almost certainly not, at least I hope not.)
AndrewGPaul wrote: I don't know why you've decided this means it'll be " Some kind of live development", whatever that means.'
How did you conclude from me saying X almost certainly will not be the case that I have decided X will be the case?
Point is, GW has "announced" something so vague (on top of it being totally novel and, in any case, without clear purpose) that it could mean all kinds of stuff, including some kind of transparency or solicitation of feedback.
On top of that, whether GW actually wants feedback (which I doubt, other than purely positive "this is great news" style cheering), showing something in development does in fact trigger critical responses, which can only lead to frustration when the thing is already done despite the implication that it's still "in development."
I think we get your feelings. I'm sad that the announcement isn't filling a Sisters fanatic with joy but, whether you're a Mod or not, can we move on from this thread being largely about you and your views?
Yes, I took the opportunity to mention Sisters in just about every survey response. I guess I am skeptical that it took a formal analysis of a survey to get us here. I mean, GW itself was already doing the teaser jokes before that. So the alternative explanation is, GW already knew they had a Sisters "problem" but the survey indicated it was a Big Deal and caused GW to advance Sisters in the queue. So in that case, in 2017, Sisters were planned for release sometime after 2019?
JohnnyHell wrote: can we move on from this thread being largely about you and your views?
The thread is about the GW announcement regarding Sisters. You post your on-topic opinions, I'll post my on-topic opinions.
Does it really matter though? Alright, so if they were originally scheduled for after 2019, then fine. At least they were scheduled. If the survey response was big enough (and apparently it was) to make them sit up and take enough notice to bump them ahead in the schedule, then grand. Fantastic. For those of us waiting over 2 decades, the wait is finally coming to an end.
Krinsath wrote: it could simply be GW trying to safeguard a few sales of a product they've decided to do
Yes, a few posters have already mentioned Anvil Industries - although I tend to agree that folks who want to play 40k with non-GW minis are not the likliest GW customers. So I'd guess this announcement also has to do with the company's bad IP law experience in the US and the notion that they need to be actively defending, by exercising, their rights in all these ideas and concepts rather than letting them lie fallow for decades while third-parties manage to spring up to serve specific sub-markets that were created by GW in the first place.
As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Don't even go there. The thread does not need to be dragged off into that dumb argument again.
It's curious that this has been announced within a month or two of a good two or three third party companies finally launching into it. Furthermore, it's been announced a solid year in advance (another abnormal situation). I can't help but wonder if this is GW attempting to heft a bit of market muscle and do some damage to their third party remora fish.
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
3 pages in and we already have this going on, Marvelous. Can't wait for the entire year of previews.
Look, they already did Celestine and her 2 bodyguards, and it was magnificent. Let's trust a bit in GW, mmmkay?
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
I think it's worth keeping in perspective the fraction of sisters models that can actually be described as "bondage space nuns" and the era the original models were released.
Different then. Also, goofy one-off joke sculpts like BDSMandrakes and the ork cheerleaders were more common.
So, it doesn't seem so unusual that in a range that's literally been frozen in stasis since that era, that there exist four and exactly four sculpts, with the obvious throwaway bdsm joke of the mistress with her whip and madonna costume, and the repentia and their somewhat unlikely proportions for outcasts tossed out to starve in the various wildernesses of the 41st millenium.
The concept of the repentia will probably still exist. I'm guessing they cut out the bad jokes and play them more straight.
I am no fan of sisters, but it is really cool that GW are putting them back in action. Hopefully it is less pointy boob armour. But it is a great relief for all players who has been holding out since 4th edition.
I think we will start to see more previews with actual pics soon (maybe over the summer this year).
GW work about a year in advance and White Dwarf are currently about 5 months in advance.
This means that if GW were (hypothetically) going to release SoB in January 2019 they would need to be ready to be photographed for WD before July 2018.
I have a suspicion the models are almost ready to go - when I visited Warhammer World 2 weeks ago all of the SoB models were missing from the cabinets.
This usually implies they are being photographed for WD but I think in this instance the Studio are looking at them for painting reference (speculation).
So I think we may start to get previews around June this year.
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Sure, lets get rid of lobotomized slavery and planet annihilation weapons as well. They are so tacky and violent.
Really though, think about what actually repentia is.
Go beyond the bondage, somehow in a dedicated religous zealot cult where you dedicate your entire life to you can still be found wanting even if you spend every waking moment in prayer and work in the name of the Emperor. As a concept i found it fascinating and very 40k.
So i hope they stay, i don't care for the bondage that much to be honest, but as a concept i find them fascinating.
Looky Likey wrote: My wallet is glad they are due next year as I have Knights to buy this year.
I already have a sizable collection of Sisters, I'm hopeful we will see new units and new weapons rather than plastic versions of what we already have so I have a reason to properly expand the army rather than just replace stuff. That might seem churlish, but as a long time Sisters player I want to be able to spend big on our plastic release.
If they don't make plastic units of old stuff either those won't get rules in codex or you won't get new units either and whole release is hoax as no sisters comes.
They will NOT release new units just for old players. Nor are they expecting new players to buy metals.
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Sure, lets get rid of lobotomized slavery and planet annihilation weapons as well. They are so tacky and violent.
Really though, think about what actually repentia is.
Go beyond the bondage, somehow in a dedicated religous zealot cult where you dedicate your entire life to you can still be found wanting even if you spend every waking moment in prayer and work in the name of the Emperor. As a concept i found it fascinating and very 40k.
So i hope they stay, i don't care for the bondage that much to be honest, but as a concept i find them fascinating.
The concept of Repentia is fine. But the current execution isn't.
New starter set. Sisters vs Black Legion or Emperor's Children. Plastic Abaddon or Lucius. New CSM sculpt. Plastic Noise Marines. Plastic Justaerin Terminators or new Indomitus Terminators with a Slaaneshi upgrade sprue (and separate upgrade sprues for other Legions on the webstore).
Do this and GW will be rolling in cash. Chaos still needs so many updates.
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Sure, lets get rid of lobotomized slavery and planet annihilation weapons as well. They are so tacky and violent.
Really though, think about what actually repentia is.
Go beyond the bondage, somehow in a dedicated religous zealot cult where you dedicate your entire life to you can still be found wanting even if you spend every waking moment in prayer and work in the name of the Emperor. As a concept i found it fascinating and very 40k.
So i hope they stay, i don't care for the bondage that much to be honest, but as a concept i find them fascinating.
The concept of Repentia is fine. But the current execution isn't.
No armour is one thing. Nekkid is quite another.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but the definition of naked that I'm aware of means no clothing. Not clothing made up of rags that you've been forced to wear after having your armour confiscated for a slight (real or perceived) and then told to go and die to make up for that slight.
zend wrote: New starter set. Sisters vs Black Legion or Emperor's Children. Plastic Abaddon or Lucius. New CSM sculpt. Plastic Noise Marines. Plastic Justaerin Terminators or new Indomitus Terminators with a Slaaneshi upgrade sprue (and separate upgrade sprues for other Legions on the webstore).
Do this and GW will be rolling in cash. Chaos still needs so many updates.
Apparently GW confirmed Chaos Space marines will be updated before Sisters (so end of 2018 hopefully) but wouldn't answer questions relating to Abaddon, Fulgrim, Angron.....
I hope they go batsh*t crazy with the designs, so they are grimdark, heavily religious and not sterile - in an INQ28 fasion and close to all those black and white artworks we used to see in old editions of the rules
I like the current SoB infantry range visualy, but I don`t like its price and the fact that it`s metal.. Staying true to aethetic and expanding on it would be the best way to go, IMHO!
I`m very hyped about the fact, that it is now confirmed and we`re not being HL3ed here, and can`t wait for the images of minis to start popping up
Plastic and dynamic repentia and penitent engine... Please...
His Master's Voice wrote: Daughters of Khaine wear about as much clothing as the Repentia and no one is complaining.
Actually, someone probably is complaining, but the point stands.
I object to the nudity of these Sisters of Khaine - formal complaint.
(Just so we've got it on record.)
I don`t
(Just so we`ve got it on record)
PS: how to derail a thread in 3 easy posts.
Mods incoming in 3...2...
PSS: so that my post is on topic, I must add, that I`m a bit worried that the new designs might be a bit too clean, as the CAD style is prominent in most new GW armies (Daughters of Khaine, new chtulhu elves, ect.. Yet somehow for necromunda and Skitarii/Gene CUlts this is not always the case.
If the Ironstrider/Ruststalkers style of designing will be applied to new SoBs and their tech- that`s the best we can hope for
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Sure, lets get rid of lobotomized slavery and planet annihilation weapons as well. They are so tacky and violent.
Really though, think about what actually repentia is.
Go beyond the bondage, somehow in a dedicated religous zealot cult where you dedicate your entire life to you can still be found wanting even if you spend every waking moment in prayer and work in the name of the Emperor. As a concept i found it fascinating and very 40k.
So i hope they stay, i don't care for the bondage that much to be honest, but as a concept i find them fascinating.
The concept of Repentia is fine. But the current execution isn't.
No armour is one thing. Nekkid is quite another.
Do you object to Arco Flagellants to out of curiosity?
Crazy naked zealots/berzerkers are a common fantasy (and to some extent, historical) trope. GW grimdarks it up in the faction that is all about crazy zealots. Is the problem just because they’re female?
His Master's Voice wrote: Daughters of Khaine wear about as much clothing as the Repentia and no one is complaining.
Actually, someone probably is complaining, but the point stands.
I object to the nudity of these Sisters of Khaine - formal complaint.
(Just so we've got it on record.)
I don`t
(Just so we`ve got it on record)
PS: how to derail a thread in 3 easy posts.
Mods incoming in 3...2...
PSS: so that my post is on topic, I must add, that I`m a bit worried that the new designs might be a bit too clean, as the CAD style is prominent in most new GW armies (Daughters of Khaine, new chtulhu elves, ect.. Yet somehow for necromunda and Skitarii/Gene CUlts this is not always the case.
If the Ironstrider/Ruststalkers style of designing will be applied to new SoBs and their tech- that`s the best we can hope for
Apologies - I actually meant to add a comment on there to make it clear I was joking, shouldn't be getting distracted by work
For the record, I think the new Khaine models are great and I'm very happy for the Sisters players that there's some light at the end of the tunnel. Just hope the new stuff meets their expectations/hopes.
I can't imagine any radical re-conceptualization of the traditional Sororitas aesthetic, it just wouldn't make sense. Even Repentia are likely to stay mostly the same, bar perhaps a more "sensible" approach to "Let's not waste resources on practical armor" suicide nuns.
The biggest issue will be the scale creep. I don't own Saint Celestine and the Geminae Superia, or even Canoness Veridyan, nor the relevant miniatures for comparison, but I imagine they'd be larger. Something in the ballpark of the difference between classic and current Escher gangers, perhaps?
Oh yes it's nearly time, if I don't see nearly every dakka member with a sisters army it will just confirm what I have always thought, complaints for the sake of complaining
Formosa wrote: Oh yes it's nearly time, if I don't see nearly every dakka member with a sisters army it will just confirm what I have always thought, complaints for the sake of complaining
Well, Sisters are one of only two Imperial armies I'd ever consider buying.
Tim the Biovore wrote: I can't imagine any radical re-conceptualization of the traditional Sororitas aesthetic, it just wouldn't make sense. Even Repentia are likely to stay mostly the same, bar perhaps a more "sensible" approach to "Let's not waste resources on practical armor" suicide nuns.
The biggest issue will be the scale creep. I don't own Saint Celestine and the Geminae Superia, or even Canoness Veridyan, nor the relevant miniatures for comparison, but I imagine they'd be larger. Something in the ballpark of the difference between classic and current Escher gangers, perhaps?
They are obviously going to be in scale with modern plastics, not 2nd ed metals. Surely no one is expecting anything else?
Interesting news, I love the aesthetic of the current Sisters model line so I hope they don't mess it up by trying to make them too politically correct.
The recent Sisters of Silence models were really cool though, so I'm sure these will turn out great.
zend wrote: New starter set. Sisters vs Black Legion or Emperor's Children. Plastic Abaddon or Lucius. New CSM sculpt. Plastic Noise Marines. Plastic Justaerin Terminators or new Indomitus Terminators with a Slaaneshi upgrade sprue (and separate upgrade sprues for other Legions on the webstore).
Do this and GW will be rolling in cash. Chaos still needs so many updates.
Apparently GW confirmed Chaos Space marines will be updated before Sisters (so end of 2018 hopefully) but wouldn't answer questions relating to Abaddon, Fulgrim, Angron.....
Thank goodness.
As exciting as plastic SOBs sound, the Internet will need plenty of time to rage about their sculpts. I don't want to have this release held up by discussions on whether or not the Sisters should wear stillettos.
Thebiggesthat wrote: As someone that is massively non plussed about Sisters, and their place in modern tabletop gaming, I'm looking forward to seeing how GW make thia army socially acceptable in 2019. Bondage space nuns are dead hopefully, although a certain vocal element will no doubt be readying the pitchforks for GW and 'the left' destroying them
Sure, lets get rid of lobotomized slavery and planet annihilation weapons as well. They are so tacky and violent.
Really though, think about what actually repentia is.
Go beyond the bondage, somehow in a dedicated religous zealot cult where you dedicate your entire life to you can still be found wanting even if you spend every waking moment in prayer and work in the name of the Emperor. As a concept i found it fascinating and very 40k.
So i hope they stay, i don't care for the bondage that much to be honest, but as a concept i find them fascinating.
The concept of Repentia is fine. But the current execution isn't.
No armour is one thing. Nekkid is quite another.
Do you object to Arco Flagellants to out of curiosity?
Arco-flagellents aren't thrusting their chests out, or taking up curious dancing poses to show off a feminine physique. Though if the Repentia are covered up, I see no reason why Arco-Flagellents can't wear more than their electric Y-fronts.
Vorian wrote: They are obviously going to be in scale with modern plastics, not 2nd ed metals. Surely no one is expecting anything else?
I doubt anyone would, I just brought it up as what I anticipate will be the biggest change between the current designs and what we see at some point in 2019.
They also apparently talked about a Slaaneshi Marines vs Sisters starter box, which is such a goddamned eye-roll-inducing piece of childishness. I'd prefer a Necrons vs Sisters box. Still, having Sisters in a starter box either way would be amazing.
The whines about "oh noes the internet will have debates wah" or "political correct wah whine wah" are just kinda stupid. The internet always has these debates. As for "politically correct", I, too, hope GW doesn't feel pressured by the "political correctness" arguments-- the ones whining about wanting to keep the status quo instead of trying to improve things because it hurts their fee-fees.
Manchu wrote: About long-term lead time marketing, please note that companies that do this effectively begin by revealing product and then spending a few months hyping it. What we have here is only vague, qualified information, nothing at all tangible and 9-21 months of ... what? More teasing? Some kind of live development? (Almost certainly not, at least I hope not.) Again, I'd rather any faction other than Sisters serve as GW's labrat in figuring out how to market something prospectively 1.5 years or more before release.
So: Don't check the sneak peaks. You will then be in 100% exact same situation as you would have been now. Your models and rules won't change either way. But at least this way some people get enjoyment from getting sneak peeks ahead of time.
I'll just be happy knowing the supposed models they're working on are, in fact, real this time. Because the way it was worded, all the previous times they said "we're working on it, we're just having problems with some parts of the minis" was nothing more than bs.
Melissia wrote: I'll just be happy knowing the supposed models they're working on are, in fact, real this time. Because the way it was worded, all the previous times they said "we're working on it, we're just having problems with some parts of the minis" was nothing more than bs.
Did GW ever say such a thing? Or did people make it up and it got repeated over and over?
Core GW employees said it. In practical matters, that's the same thing as GW itself doing it, as such employees are legally agents of GW (GW itself being a corporation, aka a legal fiction).
Melissia wrote: They also apparently talked about a Slaaneshi Marines vs Sisters starter box, which is such a goddamned eye-roll-inducing piece of childishness. I'd prefer a Necrons vs Sisters box. Still, having Sisters in a starter box either way would be amazing.
Slaanesh vs. Sisters would be in poor taste, true. Were you thinking a Sanctuary 101 box, Melissia?
Melissia wrote: The whines about "oh noes the internet will have debates wah" or "political correct wah whine wah" are just kinda stupid. The internet always has these debates. As for "politically correct", I, too, hope GW doesn't feel pressured by the "political correctness" arguments-- the ones whining about wanting to keep the status quo instead of trying to improve things because it hurts their fee-fees.
Define "improve things" in this context, Melissia?
With a likely plastic Adeptus Arbites release in 2018/19 I wonder if there are going to be more plastic Inquisitor models as well and if/how they will restructure the Imperial Agents Codex for 8th with SoB getting their own book. I felt the 7th ed book's concept was good and would like something similiar. So Assassins, Inqs etc compiled into one book.
Dysartes wrote: Slaanesh vs. Sisters would be in poor taste, true. Were you thinking a Sanctuary 101 box, Melissia?
Something like that, or perhaps a Revenge For Sanctuary 101 box of Sisters assaulting a Necron tomb world (Sisters are fanatical enough to do that).
Dysartes wrote: Define "improve things" in this context, Melissia?
Hell if I know. I'd prefer a medieval plate armor look to go with the idea of Sisters being holy knights of the faith, but I'm okay with them keeping the same aesthetics as now (as shown by how Celestine looks, they can still make improvements to Sisters miniatures without changing the aesthetics) as well. Either way, it'd be an improvement over the current miniatures. Change is not inherently bad.
I'm more interested in whatever vehicles they might release for Sisters. The infantry? I've already got enough from the Raging Heroes Kickstarter. But vehicles to go with them will be cool. I just hope there will be a bit more to it than just a Rhino or Land Raider with a special roof.
I started to respond to it, but instead I'll just ignore the "political correctness" whining. It's just as silly an argument as it has been for the last... ever.
All I want is for the models to be good, and everything GW has done recently tells me that they will be. Although the wait was arduous, I'm glad we're getting Sisters soon rather than years ago, with GW's relatively recent slaughtering of the sacred balloon animal cow that was "heroic scale".
Crazyterran wrote: Wait, people were upset with Viridyan? They couldnt keep her in stock, if i recall...
With Celestine still a month out and thus far from confirmed to be released, some couldn't help but notice that in an age where everyone and their mother got characters in plastic and there were even limited edition models in plastic, the first Sister to be released in over a decade was a resin model.
Manchu wrote: Yes, I took the opportunity to mention Sisters in just about every survey response. I guess I am skeptical that it took a formal analysis of a survey to get us here. I mean, GW itself was already doing the teaser jokes before that. So the alternative explanation is, GW already knew they had a Sisters "problem" but the survey indicated it was a Big Deal and caused GW to advance Sisters in the queue. So in that case, in 2017, Sisters were planned for release sometime after 2019?
The survey is likely the final piece of evidence, and possibly the one GW simply couldn't pretend wasn't conclusive.
When they released Veridyan, they release a limited resin model. Demand exceeded stock, so while they could determine there was demand, they couldn't easily determine just how much there is.
Celestine and the twins have been unlucky to me packaged with big bad centerpiece Cawl and some Inquisitor chick and GW couldn't have read solid numbers into that if they wanted to, and later on released on there own after everyone that wanted the model already had had ample chance to get it.
Personally I think they paid attention to these two releases but wouldn't commit to a full army because there was uncertainty left. Which, now that they went out of their way to do market research, isn't a concern anymore. I don't think it was a lack of awareness that caused them to hesitate (as you say, there was plenty of awareness to mock SIsters players in the meantime), just a lack of faith in commercial viability.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I'm of the opinion that repentia should just have a white robe, like what IRL penitents traditionally wore.
Repentia should do nothing of that sort and only wear purity seals instead. You may think white robes are pure, but they will never be as pure as purity seals.
Veridyan was also the first Sisters model in so incredibly long, yet was based on the kind of Sisters representation that a lot of people very much dislike. In other words, it was Blanche. Instead of our badass warrior nuns, we got... Blanche.
Frozen Ocean wrote: Veridyan was also the first Sisters model in so incredibly long, yet was based on the kind of Sisters representation that a lot of people very much dislike. In other words, it was Blanche. Instead of our badass warrior nuns, we got... Blanche.
For the simple reason that she was based on the cover of the very first SoB codex.
Veridyan was quite divisive, though even the people I saw who hated her design aesthetics (like me) were usually at least glad she was released because it was something actually new for Sisters instead of just the same character rereleased (and then immediately taken out of the new Sisters codex at the end of 7th edition).
I already got my whole plan set up.
I'm going to constantly bitch about the people that constantly bitch that Sisters players are constantly bitching.
Yodhrin wrote: Jake, just don't. HBMC is just sad he's going to lose his favourite punching bag
Seriously though, of course some people aren't going to be happy when the release finally comes, because some people are always unhappy with every release. All of the legit complaints though will go away, and that's what's annoying the folk who enjoy taking the piss - it's less a case of "what will Sisters players complain about now, fnar fnar" and more one of "what will I complain about now Sisters players will be happy", hah.
This. This a million time.
Manchu wrote: So in that case, in 2017, Sisters were planned for release sometime after 2019?
They were NOT planned for release. It's as simple as this.
Warhams-77 wrote: With a likely plastic Adeptus Arbites release in 2018/19 I wonder if there are going to be more plastic Inquisitor models as well and if/how they will restructure the Imperial Agents Codex for 8th with SoB getting their own book. I felt the 7th ed book's concept was good and would like something similiar. So Assassins, Inqs etc compiled into one book.
Given GW's willingness to make a full codex for the tiniest, obscurest or single kit faction, a codex that exclusively features Ecclesiarchy units doesn't seem farfetched. Leave the Inquisition for their own book. Perhaps this time even with invulnerable saves and power armor...
Tannhauser42 wrote: I'm more interested in whatever vehicles they might release for Sisters. The infantry? I've already got enough from the Raging Heroes Kickstarter. But vehicles to go with them will be cool. I just hope there will be a bit more to it than just a Rhino or Land Raider with a special roof.
While Rhinos (and variants) are a given, and we'll hopefully, finally get a plastic Penitent Engine, after GW released a special tank for Death Guard there's really no excuse for not giving Sisters a chapel on tracks or something. although with the way they've pushed flyers for a while, perhaps some air support might be the safest bet. And as Dark Angels taught us, you can build your chapel into a plane, too.
It seems like an early april fools joke. Still not buying it until I see the new models.
I don´t have any problems with kinky stuff (combat stilettos, bondage, etc.). Although these design elements were used very sparingly by GW for the Sisters in the past, the violent & prude brigade think they are entitled to throw temper tantrums as soon as they think they saw an exposed nipple. You may not like it but the Adeptus Sororitas have a reputation for using more adult themes. Love it or leave it. Don´t hassle forum members who love their BDSM nuns with your medieval moral attitudes. Socially acceptable my ass.
Melissia wrote: Veridyan was quite divisive, though even the people I saw who hated her design aesthetics (like me) were usually at least glad she was released because it was something actually new for Sisters instead of just the same character rereleased (and then immediately taken out of the new Sisters codex at the end of 7th edition).
Yeah, exactly. I speculate that a lot of Veridyan purchases were in spite of her aesthetics, for that exact reason - it didn't matter what she was or what she looked like, she was something, anything new, after such an obscenely long time.
Spoiler:
I notice that the new Squat didn't get much of the same reaction. Maybe it's because Squats have always been completely ridiculous?
Strg Alt wrote: It seems like an early april fools joke. Still not buying it until I see the new models.
I don´t have any problems with kinky stuff (combat stilettos, bondage, etc.). Although these design elements were used very sparingly by GW for the Sisters in the past, the violent & prude brigade think they are entitled to throw temper tantrums as soon as they think they saw an exposed nipple. You may not like it but the Adeptus Sororitas have a reputation for using more adult themes. Love it or leave it. Don´t hassle forum members who love their BDSM nuns with your medieval moral attitudes. Socially acceptable my ass.
It's actually more of a "we'd prefer less booby armour, but we're okay with it", and certain people like to take that and turn it into "Sisters fans are never happy! They want them to be rated U!!!".
Melissia wrote: Veridyan was quite divisive, though even the people I saw who hated her design aesthetics (like me) were usually at least glad she was released because it was something actually new for Sisters instead of just the same character rereleased (and then immediately taken out of the new Sisters codex at the end of 7th edition).
Yeah, exactly. I speculate that a lot of Veridyan purchases were in spite of her aesthetics, for that exact reason - it didn't matter what she was or what she looked like, she was something, anything new, after such an obscenely long time.
Spoiler:
I notice that the new Squat didn't get much of the same reaction. Maybe it's because Squats have always been completely ridiculous?
A portion were, to be sure. I'm somewhere in the middle I don't have a problem with Blanche, but I really don't like high heels. Didn't hesitate for a second though and went and bought one. I even painted her, which is more than can be said for most of my metal Sisters.
Veridyan and the Squat may just be the difference between an army that was literally squatted and one that was kept around without support. People could at least try to make something out of the meager offerings the metal Sisters range and whatever passed for a codex provided and thus cultivate and retain an attachment, while never even getting the chance with Squats. And classically, Squats aren't associated with Necromunda specifically, so I doubt a Squat has quite the same appeal there as in the main setting.
I'd say "fracturing," to emphasize it wasn't a two-way break. I like the painting but I don't think it translated very well into a miniature. Plus, while it was surprising to see any new Sisters miniature, the idea of a painting-inspired, limited edition resin miniatures was - to my mind - anything but cause for hope. Revising the limited status of the figure, however, was clearly a good sign.
Isn't the implication there that GW has currently, at the end of 2018 Q1, pretty much nothing accomplished on this purported 2019 release? That would really explain the "Emperor willing" qualifier ...
Jacob29 wrote: Plastic Sisters before Plastic Aspect Warriors..
Thanks GW...
Do you have a crystal ball telling you what GW will release during that whole year and a half before GW release Sisters of Battle? Because a lot of people would be interested to have your insights then.
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Manchu wrote: Isn't the implication there that GW has currently, at the end of 2018 Q1, pretty much nothing accomplished on this purported 2019 release? That would really explain "Emperor willing" qualifier ...
Exactly. Because a few month ago, Sisters of Battle were not planned for release. They went from "Not planned for release" to "planned for release". Which is a great thing.
Honestly it baffles my mind that they didn't have them planned earlier given they decided to bring back GSC and bring Custodes and all a long time ago but everything points to this being the case.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Because a few month ago, Sisters of Battle were not planned for release. They went from "Not planned for release" to "planned for release".
Melissia wrote: That's the impression I got-- GW had no plans, but now has stated their intention to have them done and their codex and minis finished by 2019.
That sounds like a tall order, considering the entire line needs to be redone barring one SC and her personal bodyguards. Unless the initial release will be somewhat modest?
tneva82 wrote: You prefer them not showing anything until they get released rather than free previews? Funny.
Yes, it makes me very nervous to see GW announce they can be bothered to finally do something wity my favorite army, which they have mockingly neglected (seriously, there are plastic Sisters of Silence models), because they can be used as a vehicle to experiment with marketing. Experiment with your dumb sea elves and give Sisters a normal release.
I honestly believe they are announcing them so early in development not as a marketing gimmick, but to preempt the competition. They don't want people to fill up on Shieldwolf sisters and only buy a taster of GW sisters for dessert.
Does the immolator/sororitas rhino need to be redone? It's already a nice plastic kit, better than the current space marine rhino, so...
Which leaves, as kits needing to be redone : sisters on foot, seraphim, immolator, possibly canonness. Since the Sister's range is quite small, that makes not so many models.
Wow, poor sisters players. After all their waiting and begging, they get: "Hey, we'll finally do them! You can get some about a year and a half from now. Or more, maybe. Who knows. Maybe two years."
Plus, showing off in progress stuff on them seems like a really terrible idea. It's only going to result in complaining and arguing about them.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Because a few month ago, Sisters of Battle were not planned for release. They went from "Not planned for release" to "planned for release".
Melissia wrote: That's the impression I got-- GW had no plans, but now has stated their intention to have them done and their codex and minis finished by 2019.
That sounds like a tall order, considering the entire line needs to be redone barring one SC and her personal bodyguards. Unless the initial release will be somewhat modest?
Don't they have the digital files for the recent Gemini? Just a few new bits to design, then...
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Does the immolator/sororitas rhino need to be redone? It's already a nice plastic kit, better than the current space marine rhino, so...
Which leaves, as kits needing to be redone : sisters on foot, seraphim, immolator, possibly canonness. Since the Sister's range is quite small, that makes not so many models.
The range should probably be thus:
Immolator=Fine
Plastic Exorcist/Dual kit with the Repressor.
Plastic sisters/Dual kit with Celestians
Plastic Dominions/Dual kit with Retributors
Plastic Seraphim/Dual kit with a more close combat based load out.
Splattering of plastic character clam packs.
I would say that's the core of what's needed. Then perhaps a big centre piece, a Cathedral tank or something.
Well considering the massive volume of news there's not a single new release to get excited about.
The new knight looks like somebody scaled down a warlord titan, then covered it in glue and rolled it in their bits box because MORE DAKKA.
The sea elves look utterly terrible. Everyone rider sea creatures that now fly across grass field because SIGMAR!!!!!!
And the sisters announcement is total non news. No model shots, no teaser, just an oh, we've decided to make plastic sisters, they COULD be out in a year to 18 months, MAYBE. They literally could have made the decision to start work on them this morning.
The only thing that tweaks a slight glimmer of hope is the news they will be doing more made to order waves, could be something re-released that will get me to open my wallet (but probably not from the dark elves up first).
Tamereth wrote: Well considering the massive volume of news there's not a single new release to get excited about.
The new knight looks like somebody scaled down a warlord titan, then covered it in glue and rolled it in their bits box because MORE DAKKA.
The sea elves look utterly terrible. Everyone rider sea creatures that now fly across grass field because SIGMAR!!!!!!
And the sisters announcement is total non news. No model shots, no teaser, just an oh, we've decided to make plastic sisters, they COULD be out in a year to 18 months, MAYBE. They literally could have made the decision to start work on them this morning.
The only thing that tweaks a slight glimmer of hope is the news they will be doing more made to order waves, could be something re-released that will get me to open my wallet (but probably not from the dark elves up first).
Almost forgot to post about the cthulhu elves because of the nuns with guns news. Didn´t know that cthulhu cultists weren´t allowed to grow their hair. Everybody has a bald head like a bowling ball. And what is it all about sea creatures gliding through air like Discs of Tzeentch? Very weird. Though the surfer guy with the wave cloak looks pretty good. But still not my cup of tea. Those sea elves definitely lack a good amount of tentacles for proper cthulhu worshipping otherwise they just look like Aquaman´s goon squad.
I haven't read the whole thread, but I just received word of this and I'm so happy for Sisters players, existing and future ones. I might even get some myself.
I am very pleased. I have believed for a while that this is likely to happen, but it is nice to hear the confirmation. It would have of course been great to see some renders or even concept art, but that will come in due time.
I have just seen the Warhammer TV video about plastic SOB : what it is about regarding the date of 11/30/2017 ?!?
Is it an error, should we read november 2018 instead ?
Ravajaxe wrote: I have just seen the Warhammer TV video about plastic SOB : what it is about regarding the date of 11/30/2017 ?!?
Is it an error, should we read november 2018 instead ?
Likely some of those quotes are taken from the survey and others from Facebook. Possibly the latter got their post dates added for flavor.
Every single survey I mentioned it, personally. Also mentioned distinct lack of female models in armies - a direct reason my wife didn't want to play anything except occassional orks... she'd have so many more armies with lady models that weren't my nuns with guns (she hates power armor, ofc, lol)
It may not be a big announcement, but I'm still happy after seeing the video. I'm not sure I will remake my whole army with plastic kits (I have more than two hundred sisters in metal, after all...), but you can't have too many sisters, can you ?
Jacob29 wrote: Plastic Sisters before Plastic Aspect Warriors..
Thanks GW...
Do you have a crystal ball telling you what GW will release during that whole year and a half before GW release Sisters of Battle? Because a lot of people would be interested to have your insights then.
It's quite obvious that they have no intention of releasing plastic aspect warriors any time soon.
They've had a good 10+ years to do it and Eldar already have their codex.
ekwatts wrote: The only thing that could make this more perfect is GW last-minute finding some sort of major casting flaw and delaying the release for a year.
ekwatts wrote: The only thing that could make this more perfect is GW last-minute finding some sort of major casting flaw and delaying the release for a year.
"The Emperor did not will it."
"We really were actually going to make Sisters, for really real, but then, like, their SLEEVES... They were just too challenging!"
EDIT: Paraphrased from an actual statement by GW people years ago, for those who don't know about that nonsense.
Oh boy (am I even allowed to use that word without being sexist these days?)....
Oh they... where to begin...
Plastic Sisters are coming = Yay We will show you the design process (whilst secretly taking feedback from online "influencers") = Well that just ruined the project...
As we literally know nothing and GW hasn't shown anything, not even concept art IN THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT TRAILER should we assume they haven't even started working on them?
Haven't GW said it takes about 2 years from concept to product? When they said "Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019." does that mean a more realistic release would be 2020 as the wording strongly suggests that we need a miracle for them to be done in 2019? So December launch 2019 if a miracle happens?
Regardless if the models are in concept or modelling stages GW will be using this design process preview to influence the design of the models and the people helping design them will be the feminists and sjw screaming the loudest. People who want to take what is obviously attractive to people and change it to bland, boring, unattractive designs in the name of equality. Feminist and SJW motto is: If I wasn't born attractive then no one can be.
Just look around every entertainment industry and you will see it. LGBGFWERGFRGVADFVWVASDFVAWADSFVASDVW comics that only feminists and sjw were asking for that has the lowest sales rate of all time. Blizzard Entertainments Alexstrasza that got the rectangle body type in Heroes of the Storm despite her look in all of their artwork and ingame model in wow.
Then we have GW who gave Celestine and the Geminae rectangle body types. I suspect that all the sisters models will have the same body type as Celestine. I sold mine because I didn't like the way she looked. I prefer the female body type GW uses for all their other female models, Sisters of Silence look perfect to me and I had hoped GW would use that body type but they wont.
GW are going to use the Celestine body type, feminists and sjw will still complain about everything being sexist.
So here is what's going to happen, 100% guaranteed! GW will show the design process, feminists and sjw who represent less than 1% of hobbyists will complain about everything all the way through. GW have already caved in and will make ugly rectangle bodied generic women with male faces to make them happy. Models will then sell like excrement and GW will have no idea why and blame it's customers for it.
On the other hand alternative sisters models will see an increase in sales by several hundred percent because they will be making the models that gamers actually want.
So the market for alternative sisters models is going to be stronger than ever because people are going to buy what they like the most.
I suspect the only models I'm going to buy from GW are penitent engines and other vehicles but will have to change the female models of alternative models. It's going to be interesting to see what GW do with repentia but I expect them to be fully clothed with rectangle bodies instead of the hourglass figure GW uses for all (currently on sale) other female models.
This is a sad day for sisters collectors like me, this is going to be one drawn out "mud"slide down the latrine. The feminists and sjws are going to make so much noise that "news" papers, social media and perhaps even politicians will be drawn into it by the 10 or so feminists and sjw claiming to be under attack by the nazi sexist misogynistic GW... GW have already caved in to these people so what we will get are rectangle male faced sisters or what is essentially female space marines.
We've now gotten plastic Baneblades, Titans, Harlequins, Genestealer Cults, Adeptus mechanicus, Necromunda and now Sisters of Battle before Eldar get plastic Aspect Warriors. Fething SQUATS are returning and I still don't have any alternative for those same bloody Striking Scorpions and Howling Banshees
So we've got people arguing about whether or not sisters of battle fans deserve to be happy about this, people arguing about how the models that are still a twinkle in the designers' eyes have already been ruined by "SJWs"... am I missing anything?
ElvisJuice wrote: So we've got people arguing about whether or not sisters of battle fans deserve to be happy about this, people arguing about how the models that are still a twinkle in the designers' eyes have already been ruined by "SJWs"... am I missing anything?
MadCowCrazy wrote: Regardless if the models are in concept or modelling stages GW will be using this design process preview to influence the design of the models and the people helping design them will be the feminists and sjw screaming the loudest.
Good. Goooooooooooooooooood. Nice and sweeeeeet! Aweeeesomeeee ! So cooooool! You made me ecstatic about it!
Hurray for rectangle body type, I really like the new Celestine + Geminae models, and I can't wait (1 year and a half ) to get more like them! Sweetest news.
Guys this MadCowCrazy guy is the one that posted images of anatomic studies of Celestine saying she was fat, and called everyone a SJW (even HMBC!) when they told him that was nonsense.
4chan has allready consumed him. We can only pray for his soul.
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
I disagree. I thought the old Celestine looked better. The new one looks a bit bland in comparison, imo. Its not a bad model, just not as good as it's predecessor in terms of detail.
As we literally know nothing and GW hasn't shown anything, not even concept art IN THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT TRAILER should we assume they haven't even started working on them?
Haven't GW said it takes about 2 years from concept to product? When they said "Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019." does that mean a more realistic release would be 2020 as the wording strongly suggests that we need a miracle for them to be done in 2019? So December launch 2019 if a miracle happens?
If the talk about them starting work on the line is because of the overwhelming requests for them in the Survey a couple of months ago is actually true, then yeah, it's entirely likely they've not even reached the concept art stage yet.
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
I disagree.
I thought the old Celestine looked better. The new one looks a bit bland in comparison, imo.
Its not a bad model, just not as good as it's predecessor in terms of detail.
The flying babies man. Is all about the flyng babies
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
I disagree.
I thought the old Celestine looked better. The new one looks a bit bland in comparison, imo.
Its not a bad model, just not as good as it's predecessor in terms of detail.
The flying babies man. Is all about the flyng babies
I do like how it evokes a work of religious art, complete with babies holding up a red curtain, yes.
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
I disagree.
I thought the old Celestine looked better. The new one looks a bit bland, imo.
Are you sure it's not that the old one simply has a stronger atmosphere? The wings are a bit flat for something so large, especially compared to the imagery of the cloak and cherubs, but the actual armor itself (which is what we're like to see more of) is perfectly fine
tneva82 wrote: You prefer them not showing anything until they get released rather than free previews? Funny.
Yes, it makes me very nervous to see GW announce they can be bothered to finally do something wity my favorite army, which they have mockingly neglected (seriously, there are plastic Sisters of Silence models), because they can be used as a vehicle to experiment with marketing. Experiment with your dumb sea elves and give Sisters a normal release.
I can't wait to see what you'll have to say about the codex.
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
Having the CAD resources will certainly make it easier to sculpt the larger part of the range and save time in the process. It's also reassuring that the aesthetic of Battler Sisters won't change, just get a technical upgrade.
Repentia, on the other hand... now there's a unit to be concerned about.
Crazyterran wrote: I feel like you can make a safe bet that Celestine/Genevive/Eleanor being how the new Sisters are going to go, with probably slightly less bling.
That will most certainly be the case. They will be using the same CAD files, which is good as those models look great.
I disagree.
I thought the old Celestine looked better. The new one looks a bit bland in comparison, imo.
Its not a bad model, just not as good as it's predecessor in terms of detail.
The flying babies man. Is all about the flyng babies
I do like how it evokes a work of religious art, complete with babies holding up a red curtain, yes.
I liked her better when she didn't have wings. And not just because it made transporting easier. As you say, it evokes a certain feeling in the model. Still haven't assembled mine because I'd like to remove the wings and give her the appearance of the old model.
I am stunned to see people upset by this news, or even worried. It's great news. A re hash of a beloved old line after forever and a chance to get an invite into how the worlds biggest wargames company designs it's models. Too often people take too much ownership of things in this game and take things personally. We saw it with the death of the old world and have heard about it with sisters of battle.
I remember them appearing in 2nd edition and not liking them as new comer upstarts ruining the game. How things change. If the "community" can't be pleased at the announcement of the most anticipated news then there is no hope. Relax and enjoy the good news. And count the sleeps until 2019. It won't take long.
Add me to the list of people who are stoked about the plastic sisters announcement. I've been waiting a loooong time for this, and will drop a significant amount of cash on the new Sororitas. I don't mind the long lead time - in fact I'm enjoying the anticipation. There are a few reasons for this:
1) New GW so far has an excellent track record on delivering on their promises. I believe we'll most likely see the minis in 2019.
2) It'll allow me - Emperor willing - to put some cash aside between now and then instead of getting the girls on credit.
3) It will also allow me - Emperor willing - to clear up the painting table a bit so I can go straight from buying to painting.
4) I'm looking forward to the various things they'll share about the design and development process between now and then.
Geifer wrote: Repentia, on the other hand... now there's a unit to be concerned about.
I'm not sure if I buy into the Repentia concern. Is the worry they'll be changed too much, or not enough?
I can only speak for myself, of course. I like Repentia. My army used to at least be made up of Repentia when I regularly played the army with Codex Witchhunters and I wouldn't mind reliving the glory days of horde a screaming nutters running at the enemy swinging huge chainswords. Which, since the models are what drive the hobby for me, requires an aesthetic I can get behind.
I'm not tied to the current look specifically. The current ones achieve that religious nutter look through a haphazard look coupled with a lack of armor in a power armored army, with hiding their faces in an army that doesn't wear helmets (by and large), and some chains and silly bondage stuff. I don't need. I like the models well enough to have a few, as mentioned, but I don't need the new models to reflect the underlying themes of the unit in the way the current ones do. I do think those themes are important, though, and whether the new models change drastically or not, the themes should remain well reflected. In fact, better reflected would be even better. If we're doing new models, we may as well make improvements where applicable.
Repentia should show a certain amount of religious madness in so far as, let's face it, religion does not obey the rules of reason, and at the same time follow the logic of their religion.
I always liked the drawings that had naked Repentia with scroll piercings, hoods and eviscerators because they embodied what it is to lose the Emperor's grace. Normally, Sisters are the military representation of the Ecclesiarchy and thus showing their faces to the crowds is perfectly fine. The faithful and heretics alike get to look at the face of true faith. Repentia are fallen from grace and cannot (re)present the Imperial faith in such a manner and should instead hide their faces in shame, which also gives a convenient placative element for a redeemed Sister who doesn't die as a Repentia - she gets to take off her hood and rejoin the ranks of the faithful as herself instead of being a faceless sinner. Combined with the baseline normal Sisters give, I think this is a powerful element as far their role as representatives of the Ecclesiarchy goes.
In universe, a big deal is made about the the sacred human form. Running around naked is, with regard to the Imperial Creed, nothing shameful. It's a physical sign of both the right and the duty to fight and die for the Emperor. No garb of the penitent could ever be such a powerful reflection of a Repentia's purpose as no garb at all.
And, to cut things short, litanies of faith because everyone in the Imperium does that. You know.
The concern is that legitimate and perfectly reasonable lore reason is cast aside in favor of real life reasons, that is to say an international company like GW can't sell half naked girls to go with the portrayal described above. The concern is that GW might change the background of the unit because of better marketable miniatures, thus basically deleting the unit I like and replacing it with something I might not like. That's bad by itself and has implications on the wider faction because its feel changes, too.
And let's make no mistake, as much as boob plate comes up (and thanks to Celestine has proven to continue being a stylistic element in the future, thankfully) in discussion, the bondage element Codex Witchhunters introduced has possibly been the most criticized part of Sisters of Battle in the past. I'm not saying I don't trust GW*, but Repentia are the part of the army that I remain worried about until I see definite and irrefutable proof that they pulled off the spirit of the unit in model form.
*I totally don't. GW has lost the right to the benefit of the doubt, as far as I'm concerned. Going to take a good bit of work on their part to get it back.
I actually don't mind Repentia. But GW should play up the grittiness on them, with scars, a super aggressive stance, battering and tear on the chainsword and tattered cloth they wear, etc.
Melissia wrote: I actually don't mind Repentia. But GW should play up the grittiness on them, with scars, a super aggressive stance, battering and tear on the chainsword and tattered cloth they wear, etc.
Huh, rare day when I'm agreeing with Melissia, but that would be a good idea. Make it seem like they've been fighting for quite sometime, that they've earned their scars on their path to repentance for the Emperor.
Melissia wrote: I actually don't mind Repentia. But GW should play up the grittiness on them, with scars, a super aggressive stance, battering and tear on the chainsword and tattered cloth they wear, etc.
Huh, rare day when I'm agreeing with Melissia, but that would be a good idea. Make it seem like they've been fighting for quite sometime, that they've earned their scars on their path to repentance for the Emperor.
At least for me, Repentia should look less like this:
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And more like this:
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And its not a problem with "sexualization" but with the idea that sexy naked women don't reflect the crazyness that repentia should show. And is not because I have a problem with sexy naked women, Witch Elves, etc... I'm absolutely fine with that.
If they make a return, I would hope for the bottom image, the levels of madness and self-mutilation in form of scourging, blinding or being unable to speak fits right in with the madness of the setting, but I think the GW of now wouldn't go that far.
Melissia wrote: I actually don't mind Repentia. But GW should play up the grittiness on them, with scars, a super aggressive stance, battering and tear on the chainsword and tattered cloth they wear, etc.
Yeah. There's even hope with how the Darkoath models are scarred and are better models for it.
Exactly. Because a few month ago, Sisters of Battle were not planned for release. They went from "Not planned for release" to "planned for release". Which is a great thing.
Though does mean 2019 Q3 is about earliest you should really hope for the release.
Melissia wrote: I actually don't mind Repentia. But GW should play up the grittiness on them, with scars, a super aggressive stance, battering and tear on the chainsword and tattered cloth they wear, etc.
Huh, rare day when I'm agreeing with Melissia, but that would be a good idea. Make it seem like they've been fighting for quite sometime, that they've earned their scars on their path to repentance for the Emperor.
At least for me, Repentia should look less like this:
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And more like this:
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And its not a problem with "sexualization" but with the idea that sexy naked women don't reflect the crazyness that repentia should show. And is not because I have a problem with sexy naked women, Witch Elves, etc... I'm absolutely fine with that.
I completely agree. They are all basically taking the walk of shame from Game of Thrones (but with chainsaws and the walk is to the enemy, and there is actually scrolls covering them up in all the places most people for some reason like to look at less than genocide, gore, murder and chopped off limbs)
Now that I think about it, I'd like to see Repentia scrapped as a unit and reintroduced as leaders of Adeptus Ministorum flaggelant units. I'm talking about pure Blanche body horror freakshow lead by a Sister towards glorious redemption, Joan of Arc style.
His Master's Voice wrote: Now that I think about it, I'd like to see Repentia scrapped as a unit and reintroduced as leaders of Adeptus Ministorum flaggelant units. I'm talking about pure Blanche body horror freakshow lead by a Sister towards glorious redemption, Joan of Arc style.
Thats another cool option. At the end of the day Eviscerators are one of the coolest loking weapons in all of the Imperium, we need more units and characters that can take and use one.
His Master's Voice wrote: Now that I think about it, I'd like to see Repentia scrapped as a unit and reintroduced as leaders of Adeptus Ministorum flaggelant units. I'm talking about pure Blanche body horror freakshow lead by a Sister towards glorious redemption, Joan of Arc style.
Manchu wrote: Yes, I took the opportunity to mention Sisters in just about every survey response. I guess I am skeptical that it took a formal analysis of a survey to get us here. I mean, GW itself was already doing the teaser jokes before that. So the alternative explanation is, GW already knew they had a Sisters "problem" but the survey indicated it was a Big Deal and caused GW to advance Sisters in the queue. So in that case, in 2017, Sisters were planned for release sometime after 2019?
I genuinely don't think they had a clue and the prior "teasers" were exactly what they appeared to be - trolling at Sisters fans' expense to please the meme-numpties in Twitch chat. The survey showed them what a colossally stupid move that was, and now they're scrabbling to do some damage control. I don't know that Sisters were planned for release at all. They might have been on a list of things they planned to get to eventually, but I doubt they had a concrete release date and were probably on-course for another throwaway Codex and an edition's worth of being ignored.
I mean, we're talking about GW here, being completely oblivious is their whole shtick.
I kinda want to see Repentia wearing ministorum-supplied day to day clothing. Tattered and stained from charging about in it in a Berzerk rage, sure, but "repenting through mad charges with no armour" should need to mean "wearing a few loose strips of leather".
personally, im hoping for the models to get mostly a plastic update, and not to many design shifts. I imagine the recent Celestine models Geminiae are likely where they will work from.
still loaded with cautious optimism about this. i have a fair bit of metal sisters in a few states of build.but i am hoping to see some kind of render of the models to come sooner rather than later, as my concern mostly hinges on how I hope they will look. I'm trying to not get to excited until then.
as for the repentia commentary, ill just say that id prefer it if either they stay about the same or they work in even more ferocity or body horror into them. these are the slayers of 40k, wearing the cloth of their old wargear and throwing themselves body and mind frequently until death towards their oaths. this is often voluntarily to make up for a failing that sometimes is merely perceived, or not even their own. very few survive this, but some actually do return back to regular service.
it's the bit about the piece of wargear i find quite interesting, as if it's a remnent of what they once were and well "Emperor willing" as some might say, what they can be again. thus a fair few comments about changing their clothing certain colors or other details just don't seem sensible to me. if that is indeed their tattered cloth element of their once wargear, which has a certain meaning about it then id like that to stay.
When you think of the distinct faction identity of Sisters, three things stand out above all others:
(1) all-female military order (2) fanatical religious devotion (3) normal humans in power armor
Repentia exist because there is inherent drama in taking away their power armor. By removing one of the most important defining visual components - in favor of constructive nudity, no less; i.e., the strongest possible contrast - the designer is emphasizing the other two points. This is an example of good design precisely because it's a simple change that vividly reinforces the overall strength of the faction identity.
Repentia are therefore a MUST as far as I'm concerned. Is there any room for sex appeal? I think so. First, because a big part of 40k is the twisted, hyper-parodic exaggeration of early modern Christian religious fanaticism, including latent hang ups about sexiness and carnality. Now this isn't a matter of cheesecake. Rather, this should be guided by the same analysis described above. The key is emphasizing contrast: the beauty of the Repentia should emphasize their brutal zealotry. If you just give them brutish physiques, you're sacrificing the drama that makes the unit a good idea in the first place.
Boring, for pretty much any reason at all, is the wrong direction.
That concept art is pretty good in general, but she still looks too well protected for a repentia to me. Isn't the point of being a repentia is to be placed in much danger as possible to show your devotion to the emperor, and to prove that you are still protected by him? Wearing armor seems counter productive to that end. The art with the scroll piercings seem more appropriate.
Hmmm... I absolutely fail to see how by being beauty and sexy Repentias emphasize their brutal zealotry. I understand your point about Christianity but... I don't actually see it as relevant, or as important to reflect what Repentia should reflect.
I think the mutilation reflects more how much in grace have they fall at the eyes of themselves and the Imperiums, and how crazy they are to do that willingly based in their unbreakable faith. You don't need to give them brutish physiques, the image I cropped up there shows how they are normal women, probably they where beautifull before doing all those mutilations, but beauty means nothing for them. Is all about their faith.
Hows that boring?
Melissia wrote: That concept art really works better for a character.
I was thinking the same. It works better for a Repentia Character that has survived a ton of time as a Repentia, and she has "passed" the repentant state, but she just doesn't consider herselff worthy of wearing power armour again.
Galas wrote: I absolutely fail to see how by being beauty and sexy Repentias emphasize their brutal zealotry.
It's the simple trick of upturning assumptions. Female physical beauty is often associated with frailty and daintiness, perhaps especially in the Christian tradition. The idea of a woman who is both conventionally good looking and fit (that is, not "masculinized") at the same time that she is ready to go hand-to-hand with daemons is interesting. (A male example would be how James Bond is a bit of vain dandy even while doing badass stunts.)
Galas wrote: I understand your point about Christianity but... I don't actually see it as relevant, or as important to reflect what Repentia should reflect.
Sisters are 100% psycho-level hyperbole of "gothic" Christianity (generally meaning, post-Reformation anti-Catholic propaganda in England). Basically, almost nothing is more relevant to their style/idiom.
Manchu wrote: When you think of the distinct faction identity of Sisters, three things stand out above all others:
(1) all-female military order
(2) fanatical religious devotion
(3) normal humans in power armor
Repentia exist because there is inherent drama in taking away their power armor. By removing one of the most important defining visual components - in favor of constructive nudity, no less; i.e., the strongest possible contrast - the designer is emphasizing the other two points. This is an example of good design precisely because it's a simple change that vividly reinforces the overall strength of the faction identity.
Repentia are therefore a MUST as far as I'm concerned. Is there any room for sex appeal? I think so. First, because a big part of 40k is the twisted, hyper-parodic exaggeration of early modern Christian religious fanaticism, including latent hang ups about sexiness and carnality. Now this isn't a matter of cheesecake. Rather, this should be guided by the same analysis described above. The key is emphasizing contrast: the beauty of the Repentia should emphasize their brutal zealotry. If you just give them brutish physiques, you're sacrificing the drama that makes the unit a good idea in the first place.
Boring, for pretty much any reason at all, is the wrong direction.
Galas wrote: I absolutely fail to see how by being beauty and sexy Repentias emphasize their brutal zealotry.
It's the simple trick of upturning assumptions. Female physical beauty is often associated with frailty and daintiness, perhaps especially in the Christian tradition. The idea of a woman who is both conventionally good looking and fit at the same time that she is ready to go hand-to-hand with daemons is interesting. (A male example would be how James Bond is a bit of vain dandy even while doing badass stunts.)
But thats not what Repentia represent. Thats what a normal Sister of Battle hero should represent. Repentia are here to represent the madness of the Imperial Cult and religion in general, how absolutely faithfull and loyal women, for the most insignificant of failures, that many times aren't even real failures or sins, are willing to sacrifice and throw themselves at the hands of death, without any care for their personal security or their own life, just seeking forgiveness at the eyes of their God.
Repentia are here to represent the worst of the Imperial Cult just like Archo-Flagellants.
Of course you are entitled to your oppinion, and I don't think you are objetively wrong. We just have diferent visions with whats more important to the feel of Repentia, each one with their own reasonable reasons for that.
His Master's Voice wrote: I'm talking about pure Blanche body horror freakshow lead by a Sister towards glorious redemption, Joan of Arc style.
I think this is where some male models (i.e., Frateris Militia) could come (back) in - which is a very different role from Repentia. Repentia are not hopefuls who couldn't/have not yet made the cut (that's more of a Space Marine design concept) but rather fully fledged Sisters who are taking a mature, informed step toward even greater devotion.
Galas wrote: But thats not what Repentia represent. Thats what a normal Sister of Battle hero should represent.
As you can see from my three-point list above, this is what all SOB represent. Repentia reinforce that faction-wide identity by showing the same theme from a different angle. I think the point is, it's not the power armor that makes these women so dangerous and effective. It's the women themselves. So the fact that they have feminine bodies is a key part of that. And because we're talking about action heroes in 28mm, I think "feminine" is indicated by something fairly conventional, just as "masculine" means something very conventional in this genre, at this scale.
Galas wrote: Repentia are here to represent the worst of the Imperial Cult
I completely disagree there. I think they are close to the pinnacle of religious purity, at least from the POV of their own world. But yes, as you say, we can agree to disagree on this point.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Aren't Frateris Militia forbidden by the degree passive? They would be men under arms, wouldn't they?
As a standing military unit yes. As a mob of devoted faithful whipped into a frenzy by the Ministorum and/or the awe-inspiring example of the Sororitas, no.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Aren't Frateris Militia forbidden by the degree passive? They would be men under arms, wouldn't they?
Thye are just Imperial Citizens helping out - not an offical military maintained by the Chruch. Thats fine - like Crusaders are just special bodyguards.
Ah, I must have been thinking of the Templars then. The Militia are indeed a group who technically do not break the degree passive, as they are just imperial citizens who just mobbed up and joined the crusade. You can't really police that. They aren't an actual army with a supply chain and command structure, they're just people.
Manchu wrote: I think this is where some male models (i.e., Frateris Militia) could come (back) in - which is a very different role from Repentia. Repentia are not hopefuls who couldn't/have not yet made the cut (that's more of a Space Marine design concept) but rather fully fledged Sisters who are taking a mature, informed step toward even greater devotion.
Instead of leading a regimented, structured life among their fellow sisters, they open themselves up to the glories of the Emperor, leading the lost flocks in his name. I feel like that checks out, thematically.
Damn, now I want to make an army of Templars, Sisters, zealots, flagellants and assorted faithful. Sort of like a 40k People's Crusade.
His Master's Voice wrote: Nope. Crusaders are just private bodyguards, not part of a standing military organisation. Frateris Templar were disbanded in the 36th millennium.
Missed this - ah yes reading the old codex now....thanks
Nah, I'm just pointing out that an incredibly obscure sub-faction was introduced into the game with plastic models before an existing faction. The fact that they are both "Sisters of ..." just makes it sting that much more.
Nah, I'm just pointing out that an incredibly obscure sub-faction was introduced into the game with plastic models before an existing faction. The fact that they are both "Sisters of ..." just makes it sting that much more.
I mean, they were introduced via 30k, where they weren’t obscure like in 40k. As soon as they made a 30k game, SoS were a likelihood, and they’d made the models so why not use them in 40k too.
I, for one, do not wish to see self-mutilating Repentia sisters. Placing yourself in danger to prove your worth and earn your absolution, is an entirely different concept to self-harm for the sake of punishing yourself.
ImAGeek wrote: As soon as they made a 30k game, SoS were a likelihood, and they’d made the models so why not use them in 40k too.
I think their models are a bit ho hum but I actually like the concept (and art) for SOS. I'm fine with anything getting plastic models. Indeed, there are few plastic kits I'd rather see ahead of line of SOB (new IG, new CSM) but I feel like with SOS it was really, really reaching. Plastic Custodes was already a shock - and then also plastic SOS? What in the world? This is why I started saying, we'll see plastic Jokaero before plastic SOB because GW would rather put out any other (IOM) plastics. And then they announced a new Squat figure LOL.
Zingraff wrote: I, for one, do not wish to see self-mutilating Repentia sisters. Placing yourself in danger to prove your worth and earn your absolution, is an entirely different concept to self-harm for the sake of punishing yourself.
Both make sense, from a viewpoint of religious fanaticism. But sure, I think the former makes more sense in this context (tabletop miniatures battles) than the latter.
All I see is GW telling me I have to wait until next year to get my SoB objective cards. Probably right before 9ed drops, last to be updated, first to be outdated...
I would much rather have my dex and cards now with a nice new release of plastic Aspect Warriors to cleanse. Something has to get Eldar players off the Dark Reaper train
I mean, flagellants are also an interesting, Gothic concept which fits into the setting, but Sisters, who've trained their entire lives for their bodies to be instruments for the Emperor, wouldn't want to intentionally self-harm, as that would reduce their own usefulness.
I don't see why you couldn't have both flagellants (which could be civilians of both sexes) and Repentia sisters as separate units, or flagellants lead by Repentia sisters.
Zingraff wrote: I, for one, do not wish to see self-mutilating Repentia sisters. Placing yourself in danger to prove your worth and earn your absolution, is an entirely different concept to self-harm for the sake of punishing yourself.
This, at least I have all the Repentia I will ever need already. They just need a Cathedral Tank!
Really hoping for some sort of sisters-type terminators. I don't want them to totally have to just follow a 'girl-marine' aesthetic, and be 'Girl-min-a-tors'.I just think they should get some BIG armored troopers of some sort.
I think there's a lot they can really do to make the sisters into something very different from the other 40k armies, and if they are going to be as open to the community about the process as they claim, it would be cool if they allowed us to 'pitch' ideas for what might be cool. It would be a lot of stuff, but I guarantee they'd get a few gems within it, things that they wouldn't have considered, and things that would connect the community to them a lot more as well.
Albino Squirrel wrote: Wow, poor sisters players. After all their waiting and begging, they get: "Hey, we'll finally do them! You can get some about a year and a half from now. Or more, maybe. Who knows. Maybe two years."
Plus, showing off in progress stuff on them seems like a really terrible idea. It's only going to result in complaining and arguing about them.
So ... no change, then? Two years is 2020, so you're exaggerating somewhat.
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MadCowCrazy wrote: Oh boy (am I even allowed to use that word without being sexist these days?)....
Oh they... where to begin...
Plastic Sisters are coming = Yay
We will show you the design process (whilst secretly taking feedback from online "influencers") = Well that just ruined the project...
Are you talking about the same announcement as the rest of us, or just making stuff up?
As we literally know nothing and GW hasn't shown anything, not even concept art IN THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT TRAILER should we assume they haven't even started working on them?
Er, no. we should assume that they've already done a lot of the work already and just not shown us it. Or do you think they only did all the design work on the Idoneth Deepkin in the last week, because they hadn't shown us anything until this morning?
Haven't GW said it takes about 2 years from concept to product? When they said "Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019." does that mean a more realistic release would be 2020 as the wording strongly suggests that we need a miracle for them to be done in 2019? So December launch 2019 if a miracle happens?
Or they said "Emperor willing" because this is, you know, the army of the Ecclesiarchy, and it's just a little shout out?
cygnnus wrote: Gah... H.B.M.C. give it a rest already. If you are so worked up by sisters players, why not just skip this thread. It gets old....
Older than this kinda stuff:
dracpanzer wrote: All I see is GW telling me I have to wait until next year to get my SoB objective cards. Probably right before 9ed drops, last to be updated, first to be outdated...
I'd like to say I'm exaggerating about the Eeyores of 40K being Sisters players, but look. Look! You can't make this gak up.
MadCowCrazy wrote: Regardless if the models are in concept or modelling stages GW will be using this design process preview to influence the design of the models and the people helping design them will be the feminists and sjw screaming the loudest. People who want to take what is obviously attractive to people and change it to bland, boring, unattractive designs in the name of equality. Feminist and SJW motto is: If I wasn't born attractive then no one can be.
I know, right? I can't stand people who are desperate to get offended and angry about something, who jump to conclusions based on little or no evidence, and who are more interested in hyperbolic posturing than any sort of sensible conversation.
I know, right? I can't stand people who are desperate to get offended and angry about something, who jump to conclusions based on little or no evidence, and who are more interested in hyperbolic posturing than any sort of sensible conversation.
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With all due respect, there's no way that an open Sisters design process won't be a lightning rod for the boob armor/high heel debate. I don't think I've seen a SoB thread that hasn't devolved, angrily, into that debate, and I've never seen one of those discussions end without a locked thread and mod warnings. We've always sort of just agreed to disagree and begrudgingly went our separate ways, but since no conclusion has ever been reached, it's just sort of there, boiling beneath the surface, waiting to explode.
(I have no reason to believe that GW won't make amazing models - the Daughters of Khaine didn't sacrifice anything and even has an older topless model and nobody seemed to be bothered by it - but the community has never come to consensus on the whole boob armor thing and I know of a lot of passionate people on both sides)
Not a SoB player myself, but I'm glad to see that an army which needed updating is getting new models. I do hope the new range is large enough to field a proper SoB army and that SoB players are satisfied with their new toys.
Because wishing for GW release a bare bones half-arsed army out of pure spite due to my own faction not getting proper love is such a petty, sad thing to do.
Was going to quote multiple posts from the first pages, but this post by MadCowCrazy to a degree sums up some of my fears of what could happen AFTER GW starts putting out the previews. I have a fear that some of "those who must not be named" groups might infect the SoB project just enough to change the SoB into something that the SoB are not in aesthetics of the models, art and lore.
Oh boy (am I even allowed to use that word without being sexist these days?)....
Oh they... where to begin...
Plastic Sisters are coming = Yay
We will show you the design process (whilst secretly taking feedback from online "influencers") = Well that just ruined the project...
As we literally know nothing and GW hasn't shown anything, not even concept art IN THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT TRAILER should we assume they haven't even started working on them?
Haven't GW said it takes about 2 years from concept to product? When they said "Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019." does that mean a more realistic release would be 2020 as the wording strongly suggests that we need a miracle for them to be done in 2019? So December launch 2019 if a miracle happens?
Regardless if the models are in concept or modelling stages GW will be using this design process preview to influence the design of the models and the people helping design them will be the feminists and sjw screaming the loudest. People who want to take what is obviously attractive to people and change it to bland, boring, unattractive designs in the name of equality. Feminist and SJW motto is: If I wasn't born attractive then no one can be. [In general this is my fear of what might happen if GW cave in too far]
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Just look around every entertainment industry and you will see it. LGBGFWERGFRGVADFVWVASDFVAWADSFVASDVW comics that only feminists and sjw were asking for that has the lowest sales rate of all time. Blizzard Entertainments Alexstrasza that got the rectangle body type in Heroes of the Storm despite her look in all of their artwork and ingame model in wow.
Then we have GW who gave Celestine and the Geminae rectangle body types.
I suspect that all the sisters models will have the same body type as Celestine. I sold mine because I didn't like the way she looked. I prefer the female body type GW uses for all their other female models, Sisters of Silence look perfect to me and I had hoped GW would use that body type but they wont.
GW are going to use the Celestine body type, feminists and sjw will still complain about everything being sexist.
So here is what's going to happen, 100% guaranteed!
GW will show the design process, feminists and sjw who represent less than 1% of hobbyists will complain about everything all the way through. GW have already caved in and will make ugly rectangle bodied generic women with male faces to make them happy. Models will then sell like excrement and GW will have no idea why and blame it's customers for it.
On the other hand alternative sisters models will see an increase in sales by several hundred percent because they will be making the models that gamers actually want.
So the market for alternative sisters models is going to be stronger than ever because people are going to buy what they like the most.
I suspect the only models I'm going to buy from GW are penitent engines and other vehicles but will have to change the female models of alternative models. It's going to be interesting to see what GW do with repentia but I expect them to be fully clothed with rectangle bodies instead of the hourglass figure GW uses for all (currently on sale) other female models.
This is a sad day for sisters collectors like me, this is going to be one drawn out "mud"slide down the latrine. The feminists and sjws are going to make so much noise that "news" papers, social media and perhaps even politicians will be drawn into it by the 10 or so feminists and sjw claiming to be under attack by the nazi sexist misogynistic GW... GW have already caved in to these people so what we will get are rectangle male faced sisters or what is essentially female space marines.
Now going on beyond my fears. I'm at 50/50 between "I'll believe it when I see it" and super exited about plastic SoB coming out in 2019. I will be putting aside a little bit of money every month in anticipation of release.
I hope that we get a wider variety in the armor bling. For example how the SMtac plastic set has a variety in the bling on the chest decoration, and would love to see similar variety in the armor bling for the SoB and would like to see something that leans slightly to what we see in the SW plastic box set in terms of the amount of bling and decoration.
hazefrog wrote: Not a SoB player myself, but I'm glad to see that an army which needed updating is getting new models. I do hope the new range is large enough to field a proper SoB army and that SoB players are satisfied with their new toys.
I'm expecting a Harlequin or Genestealer Cult level 'update'. I'd be happy with that. Sisters squad, Seraphim, Immolator and a character or two on top of Celestine. I think hoping for anything beyond that is opening yourself up for disappointment.
hazefrog wrote: Not a SoB player myself, but I'm glad to see that an army which needed updating is getting new models. I do hope the new range is large enough to field a proper SoB army and that SoB players are satisfied with their new toys.
I'm expecting a Harlequin or Genestealer Cult level 'update'. I'd be happy with that. Sisters squad, Seraphim, Immolator and a character or two on top of Celestine. I think hoping for anything beyond that is opening yourself up for disappointment.
I'm thinking more Mechanicus, maybe Death Guard if they throw in a suite of characters. They're an Imperial army afterall, so no matter what they'll sell bucket loads by virtue of being allies.
The key difference from Harlies or GSC is that those two were a 'new' army. Harlequins had a single unit, GSC had none (excluding those borrowed from Tyranids and Guard). Meanwhile, SoB have - despite it's age - an existing range already, some of which can be re-purposed without much issue (Rhino obviously, Exorcist has aged at least as well as the Predator, Celestine obviously).
Galas wrote: At least for me, Repentia should look less like this:
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And more like this:
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Exactly!!!
Manchu wrote: Is there any room for sex appeal? I think so. First, because a big part of 40k is the twisted, hyper-parodic exaggeration of early modern Christian religious fanaticism, including latent hang ups about sexiness and carnality.
Early modern Christianity was about naked sexy women! You heard it here first people. It wasn't about naked sexy men though. All about naked sexy women.
Sex is what happens when some naked sexy women is ogled by some average 40k player, don't you forget about it!
I'd rather get something like the penitents from the 7th seal but well I guess those aren't representative of early modern Christian religious fanaticism…
Seriously look at this:
It's so much no 40k appropriate that they even carry a skull! Could you imagine a skull in 40k? No, rather look up some pinup book for inspiration…
H.B.M.C. wrote: Good to see the Sisters pity party continues, even with the announcement of them coming out.
"Hey if I look from this angle and I close one eye and I block everyone saying positive things and I pretend that this one person is actually 10 different people, it's totally a pity party guys! Please, someone agrees with me I feel so alone!”
Sqorgar wrote: With all due respect, there's no way that an open Sisters design process won't be a lightning rod for the boob armor/high heel debate.
What open design process? I've only skimmed this thread but to me it looks like GW will show some of the stuff that already further along so people get something to see because the range has been neglected for a long time. Does anybody really thing they'll go back and re-cut moulds that cost thousands/tend of thousands just because somebody complains about some parts on the internet? I don't think this'll be anything besides a little PR feature to fill their blog and to draw attention and create demand until the actual release, nothing more. GW is a publicly traded company, not an Etsy store. From the blog post:
Yup, plastic Sisters of Battle are on their way. For reals.
We know many of you have been waiting patiently (and impatiently…) for a long time for the Adepta Sororitas, and that for many of you this is more than ‘just’ a new army. So, we’re going to do something we’ve never done before – right up until the release, we’ll be bringing you updates on the Sisters of Battle, sharing images and snippets of info and a whole ton of behind the scenes goodness.
Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019.
That's just GW PR talk for: Previews until we release them at some point in 2019
So they finally get around to making the army in plastic at current pricing, which is out of my budget. Oh, well. Guess this dream falls to the wayside as well.
None whatsoever. We'll get a CAD preview of a plastic Sister eight to ten months from now. Then some rules snippets. Then the release will happen.
GW won't be asking anyone about anything concerning their design process.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Early modern Christianity was about naked sexy women! You heard it here first people. It wasn't about naked sexy men though. All about naked sexy women.
You managed to quote a post without reading it. Impressive.
GW has implied that they will share and report on the design/ development process, which in itself is going to be interesting to observe. Whether they will actually let suggestions from the community influence the design process, is uncertain. With GW it has never been the case before, but maybe the community survey shook things up a bit.
If GW decide to involve the community in the design process, I'm pretty sure they'll put it to a vote. For example, voting for your favourite two concepts, with 5-6 concept drawings to choose from. I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour, but if the majority voted for a particular style, they might take that into account.
Zingraff wrote: GW has implied that they will share and report on the design/ development process, which in itself is going to be interesting to observe. Whether they will actually let suggestions from the community influence the design process, is uncertain. With GW it has never been the case before, but maybe the community survey shook things up a bit.
If GW decide to involve the community in the design process, I'm pretty sure they'll put it to a vote. For example, voting for your favourite two concepts, with 5-6 concept drawings to choose from. I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour, but if the majority voted for a particular style, they might take that into account.
GW takes no interest in the communities suggestions for rules, I don't expect this to change for models.
Zingraff wrote: I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour,
All Sisters models except a very recent one had flat boots, flat boots are part of their design since the very start, I hate it when people like you want to change established things for political reasons lo .
Mario wrote: What open design process? I've only skimmed this thread but to me it looks like GW will show some of the stuff that already further along so people get something to see because the range has been neglected for a long time. Does anybody really thing they'll go back and re-cut moulds that cost thousands/tend of thousands just because somebody complains about some parts on the internet? I don't think this'll be anything besides a little PR feature to fill their blog and to draw attention and create demand until the actual release, nothing more. GW is a publicly traded company, not an Etsy store.
I don't think GW will do anything wrong (their models have been amazing). But if they give off the impression that the images they are sharing are a work in progress (here's the model designs, still a year off from production), people will think that they can still change the outcome. And worse still, when the outcome doesn't change, they'll be incensed that GW doesn't listen to their fans. Even if they don't think they can change them, increasing the amount of time that people can complain about them will make things worse. Usually, people complain, but as soon as the product is out (and people buy it), that whine fizzles out.
I don't know if you've been paying attention to what has been happening in Magic: The Gathering, pen and paper rpgs, video games, comic books, young adult fiction, science fiction awards, open source software development, search engine interoffice email suggestions, or whatever else, but nerds are being treated like nerds again.
I don't know if you've been paying attention to what has been happening in Magic: The Gathering, pen and paper rpgs, video games, comic books, young adult fiction, science fiction awards, open source software development, search engine interoffice email suggestions, or whatever else, but nerds are being treated like nerds again.
More like entitled children are throwing tantrums again.
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I'd love a Sanctuary 101 box
With some nice scenery like a shrine, or even just an altar objective marker - has GW done scenery and units in the same box that wasn't a faction vs faction box?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Like the main studio's ever given a damn about what BL does.
And on purpose. It was a creative decision made in the early days of BL to have BL (or even every BL writer's own mini-40K) basically be a "variant Universe"/Ultimate 40K/whatever to have creative freedom.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I can't imagine GW abandoning the core imagery of the Sisters to appease the Tumblr/Twitter crowd.
With how loud some of "those who must not be named" people and groups can be, my fears is that GW tries to appease them by changing the SoB into something that they are not. It all starts with one very slight minor change and then just like chaos it infects and mutates from there and becomes a chaos spawn abomination.
If i'm not wrong if GW sticks to the classic aesthetic of the SoB that could realistically please the most people.
In general when 40k players think sisters of battle, that image right there is among the first things that they think of. If GW doesn't stray to far from that general aesthetic and add in some flavor and variety in the small details, bling and armor decoration that is seen in the SM, BA, and SW tactical kits. I will be satisfied and most likely it would probably satisfy the majority of players wanting plastic sisters of battle.
With some nice scenery like a shrine, or even just an altar objective marker - has GW done scenery and units in the same box that wasn't a faction vs faction box?
Yes and No. In recent time the only one that I can think of is the inital Necromunda release and Shadow Wars Armegedon. In the past the...3rd...(SM vs DE) box had some terrain in it, and the Battle for Mecrage has some pretty great terrain in it. Would love for a Sanctuary 101 box though with a shrine/alter objective marker that fits on a 32mm or 40mm base, not to big and not too small.
The aesthetic of the new sisters is already pretty set is it not?
The new Celestine is very much in line with the style of the old sisters. I can't imagine that they will stray too far from that. I hope they keep the design of the helmets. It was one of my favourite things about the old range.
It's astounding to see such frothing at the mouth about these "SJWs" and "Feminists" who are supposedly ruining everything, yet aforementioned ruiners are nowhere to be seen. As usual. Because they don't exist.
Frozen Ocean wrote: It's astounding to see such frothing at the mouth about these "SJWs" and "Feminists" who are supposedly ruining everything, yet aforementioned ruiners are nowhere to be seen. As usual. Because they don't exist.
If I didn't fear the wrath of mods I'd link you to a number of websites/ facebook groups that are filled with "those" people. They exist. Talking to some of them I thought they were just playing a part, but after a while you know they are serious.
Crazyterran wrote: I dont think you are going to get Power Armour for three different convents like Marines get for Chapters.
You will probably get the Tactical/Assault/Devastator/Sternguard in varities of bling and type of bling, and character packs.
No, no, I'm not advocating for getting kits for different covenants (would be sweet though). Space marines (and the snowflake chapters) are simply the best example for the amount and level of bling and decoration that I would love to see displayed in the plastic SoB kits. I'm talking about the variety and decoration that you can get in a single kit, even the base current SMtac squad kit has some veriety. Best example would be the decoration on the chest plates and back packs of the tac marine squad. I'm not wanting plastic kits for different covenants, I want to see similar level of decoration, bling, and details that we see in some of the more recent plastic releases (for example SM's) and the variety that they can display in a single squad. The big part is variety because if you get enough of the current metal SoB you will be able to make full squads of the same sculpt because there is only about a handful of sculpts for the basic bolter sister. Would love to see the plastic SoB kits come out and have a similar level of customization and variety that you can get in the current BA or SW's kits, realistically I can see the base SMtac squad as an example of how much variety one could expect in the plastic SoB kits.
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(tac marine sprew) while most of the chests have the standard mk7 chest you can see a couple that don't and instead have power cables or a skull, even the back packs have slight variation. Some blank, skull, power vent, ect.
BAtac marine sprew has even more variation and decoration
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SW even more so
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Chikout wrote: The aesthetic of the new sisters is already pretty set is it not?
The new Celestine is very much in line with the style of the old sisters. I can't imagine that they will stray too far from that. I hope they keep the design of the helmets. It was one of my favourite things about the old range.
Agreed, love the helmets and I hope GW includes enough heads to get a combination of bare heads, mixed, all helmets.
With some nice scenery like a shrine, or even just an altar objective marker - has GW done scenery and units in the same box that wasn't a faction vs faction box?
Yes and No. In recent time the only one that I can think of is the inital Necromunda release and Shadow Wars Armegedon. In the past the...3rd...(SM vs DE) box had some terrain in it, and the Battle for Mecrage has some pretty great terrain in it. Would love for a Sanctuary 101 box though with a shrine/alter objective marker that fits on a 32mm or 40mm base, not to big and not too small.
The original Sisters of Battle box actually came with a small shrine.
Frozen Ocean wasn't saying that feminists don't exist. He was saying that these "scary feminists" that so many people here are afraid will ruin everything aren't actually showing their heads here at all. But that hasn't stopped dozens and dozens of people from complaining about them for page after page as if they're about to show up with pitchforks.
But you knew that already. You just like being a troll
What I do see here is a lot of people saying "It would be nice if some of the more sexualized elements and semi-questionable elements of the range were toned down a bit while keeping the core themes and established style of the army." Which is a pretty reasonable position. And there are a lot of people here who are reasonably agreeing or disagreeing with that, which is fine. reasonable discussion is good. But theres also a lot of people here who are having kind of a tantrum over just the idea being discussed, and even more people who are acting like there's some kind of feminist gestapo that is going to burst down Games Workshop's doors and force them to make something that no one wants. Frankly, the amount of "Oh no, SJWs/feminists/tumbr is out to get us" comments here is kind of embarrassing.
Well if you mean a vast conspiracy to make “boy”s things” unfun, then no they don’t.
Combat heels and boob plate are legitimate concerns—in a game that purports to be realistic. Luckily we are talking about 40K, so...
What many of these young MRAs miss is the context of most of 40K, which was that it was model driven and a lot of late 80s and early 90s model design was personal and not within the context of the 40K narrative. Sisters exist because Jes Goodwin was a goth and drew that aesthetic to a singular space nun picture in Rogue Trader. In fact even that link is tenuous. But bottom line is Jes makes a small force of figures in homage to Souxsie Souix and then someone had to figure out a place for them in 40K.
Most people get it wrong that figures are sculpted to fit into 40K. The design interviews show that to this day the sculptor has lots of leeway on the interpretation of “Puritan inquisitor”. I find recent arrivals to the 40K party have this weird belief that 40K is written in stone and sacrosanct. It’s a WIP as it always has been, enjoy the ride.
Well if you mean a vast conspiracy to make “boy”s things” unfun, then no they don’t.
Combat heels and boob plate are legitimate concerns—in a game that purports to be realistic. Luckily we are talking about 40K, so...
What many of these young MRAs
I stopped reading here. Using "MRAs" as a way to group up a bunch of people who's opinions you disagree with then you're as bad as the people who use "SJWs" as a boogyman.
Incidentally I don't think feminism REALLY cares about 40k or the representation of women in it or wether or not Sisters have boob plate and the alleged combat heel (that Sisters don't actually have). The people who make a stink about it are people who saw how much attention and money Sarkeesian got from her video game sexism scam and want their own niche. Women have been into 40k for as long as I can remember being in the hobby (25ish years now).
