hey mxwllmdr, you cannot disspell this card! So guys dont you think that the movie spider man is gay?

spidey...nerdy yes...gay...no...he still likes redheads... how gay could one man be if he is still into redheads?...


and did any of you ever think about the apocalypse as to be initiated due to a shortage of plasticcard world wide that led to thermonuclear warfare due to the extensive needs of dave for his projects...now that is a discomforting thought...

LOL, this is why I take breaks, to allow the market to recover sustainably

ha...knew you would say something corny...and made already a reply...:




see what you made me do...

HAHAHA! yer a nut Vik.

aye sir!

alright vik now i want one translated in german!

I actually do think the movie "Spider-Man" sucked. I am in the U.S. Army so I cannot use that G-word anymore. I would get in trouble.....

oh.. well it did suck

owww...i really liked the movies...though they are not canon to the books i read...mostly...and the whole mutation thing by genetical mutated spiders i didn´t like and the webspinner tool wasn´t included to the character...but i liked the feel of the movie! and seeing william dafoe as the green goblin was the best move the company could do in my view...

alright vik now i want one translated in german!

you want one of those posters in german? is that it?... could be arranged... but i thought maybe something jore special to your character?... we all now daves habits...so i have to know more about yers^^

WHat habits?

wasn´t sure on whom and on what to make a poster... so need data...

Willam Dafoe was better in Boondock Saints. He's good in anything he does, but better in the Saints.

true...he is an evil incarnate charcter in movies and he is very good at it...i bet he has a wondeful character in RL and quite the good humor...just like the opposite of his movie persona^^

william dafoe as the green goblin is the only part i liked from the movies, i just dont like toby maguire blech! plus my little nephew watched any one of the spiderman movies everyday soo now they just make me angry

hmm vik habits.... the only one that comes to mind is blindness, im not a rivet adict (yet) like dave

dsteingass wrote:ok. Imagine the entire 4x6' game table was raised 3".
Now imagine a cross-section view of what is underground, set flush with the edge of the table.
Sort of like this

except all the way around the table
adding another dimension to a game.

12', thats how far we are raising our table. It is a project gift for our shopowner. the whole table top is gonna be in ruins with a massive church and lots of craters. no real maneauver room for armor, either. The whole way around the table will be a sewer system that has access at four spots in the center of the table and 6 on the edge (three on each side). But since the sewer is within 12 " troops can be deployed directly to the sewers. We haven't started construction yet but we hope to in February. This thread was the idea for it. My buddy says he has rules for crossing the table in the sewers like a deepstrike already written. It is gonna be awesome.

Wow!! Rock on! My sewer project has been delayed for a while, although I finally bought enough of the plywood planks to do it.

I will want to see both projects when you start working on them! Keep us posted!

yaaay sewers!!

Dst, you are using plywood? I think we were considering using blue foam and carving the poop out of it. I will post some of our drawings, if thats ok with you Dst.

I have to say that the recent conversation in this thread is making me re-think my current table and the temptation of creating an underground system (albeit on that runs along the table edge) is extremely attractive to me, especially for my 4X4 boards. I will not pretend that I'm going to start this as a project anytime soon (anyone that follows my 3 main blogs knows I'm up to my neck in "busy" right now just trying to manage those).

I'd enjoy seeing where all of this goes, I'm intrigued to see what comes of this.

@Skalk Bloodaxe your table (on page Building a Better Battlefield)
is wicked amazing. Hey, do you use Jesso on your foam pieces? And where did you get all those Necromunda templates? How exactly did you get those wicked burnt crater looks?

Sorry to go off talking about Skalks page on yours, DST, but posting on his is risking Threadomancy.

*sniggers*

There are no rules here, this is the lawlessness thread. Skalk's and Vik's threads are similar. My plywood planks are the sturdy frame to elevate the table to allow the sewers to be put under the table edge. The walls are carved brick into foam, but it isn't strong enough to hold up a 4x4' plywood board covered in sand texture paint. I had dreams of a modular nature, but I was too lazy to get the saw out. It may still happen, I don't know. Not much will be happening in my shop now until after the holidays. You Europeans value time off more, so you take the entire month of August off, we Americans are slaves to the corporations, so we don't get that holiday month. I am just chilling until after Christmas and New Years. Too much RL stuff going on.

Ok, I got a plan that will be sewers on the edge of the table, too.
When me and my buddy did up our plans we kept in mind that we wanted as little armor maneauver room as possible for almost the entirety of the table. So, what you can't see in the drawings is that most of the buildings are complete rubble and the side streets and alleys between them are clutter from heck and back with rubble. Hence, mostly, troops only amongst them.

I don't know if you can tell what it is going to be like but the corners at marked location A and B are going to be collapsed earth or buildings that have entrances into the sewer system. A will be like a land slide that reveals a waste water drain pipe and B is probably going to be a water treatment plant that has collapsed into itself with several large pipes leading in.
The bug looking thing in the lower right corner of the upper left drawing is a Cathredal/Church of the Imperium that I REALLY, REALLY want to model after the Cathredal Des Chartres:


We plan on the sewers looking like this:


(Thanks, btw, for that Dst)

But, after much thought, we think that the sewers should be about 9" deep from the side of the table and about 9' tall. That would allow for dreadnaughts and other taller non-mechanized armor to enter into and maneauver around.

As far as the purpose of the side sewers, the would serve to connect the table sides using the "sewers" that are outlined in dashed lines and accessible, also, at the black dots on the upper left map.

Also, our sewers would not extend onto the end of the table. The tables at our shop are butted up against a wall at the end and to have sewers you can't reach, or to risk ham-handed model handling/damage risking activity we decided to just do the sides.

We like the idea of deploying a unit directly to the sewers and rolling a difficult/dangerous terrain just too see if that unit didn't get lost in the tunnels. If they make it they can emerge exactly where planned upon entering, but if not, they wait another turn to try again. One could concievably lose a unit in the sewers for the entire game. HEHE!!!

I want some of the damage to resemble Hiroshima:



What do you think? Feasible? Impossible? Stupid?

You had some typos in your sketch, I corrected them for you.


Other then that, I think it's cool, but I'm not a 40K Engineer like Dstein!

I think you have a completely awesome idea going on here! A word of advice though, if you use Pegasus panels to build the church, watch out, I have tried this, basing mine off of Notre Dame in Paris, and to get it to look right, it will end up being nearly 4' long. This is mine, abandoned for now, but I WILL finish it someday with removable roof and all.

argh.... i can´t get enough of that cathedral...^^ looking so damn fine!!!


as for the lawless thread...????? whut?

...any questions?^^

Uh, yeah, no panels here. Sheet styrene in .040. isn't that expensive and I already have two 42"x70" sheets.


Any typos in that, RSJake? LOL

You might consider making some panels to cast and reproduce to make your life a little easier. (detail once... Cast a crapload... add minor detail tweaks such as posters, bullet hits, etc done... )

I made a few simple panels for building up some very basic ruins (with Hirstarts tile floors) Here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391231.page

Hahaha! Sorry about that. Correcting drafting errors is my actual job. Those typos just jump out at me! I'll be better, I swear!

Electrical, Mechanical, Architectural? I was an associate engineer for a year, drafting Verizon FiOs fiber optic networks. It was the most boring job of my entire life.

Surveying actually. I "get" to review every land survey that is filed with our County.

Sounds like a blast. Hey, bet your really good at building table tops. LOL


BTW, loved the Defiler/Rhino conversion. Tried scratching out a Defiler and failed. I have learned a lot since then though and will probably try again.

I haven't made terrain yet, but I SOOO want too! If I do, I want it to have Topographic elevation lines! LOL..

And the Defiler/rhino conversion is now being restored to a rhino. I bought a defiler after all. It looks way better than I could have done.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Vik. We get it. Chaos not tolerated. I'm bringing the whole Warp to your back yard, dude.

mate... look at the seal... it is not the =I= but the =L= of the league of extraordinary riveters... it was meant to jake for his lack of self confidence to make a rhino a suitable working defiler... he can do it if he choose to do so^^... that was my point... choas or loyal... as long as there is riveting... i am all friendly^^

Blah Blah Blah, self-confidence, yadda yadda yadda!
Ok, so maybe I could do it if I wanted to, but I don't think I could the amount of detail on it that the defiler model does before I lost interest.

Also, sorry for the League Heresy, I'll watch what I say from now on!

*raises eyebrow* the watchful eye is upon ye! heed the warnings!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I JUST NOTICED THE "L"!!!!! THAT'S FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, that hit a funny bone.

I agree, though, about the defiler/rhino. I thought it was looking bad butt. Although, now that I think about it I would have used rectangular tubing on the legs....

Inspiration flash just happened. Defiler is back on the build list.....WOOOHOOOO!!




Ok, I am done, this will get it's own thread in about two months.

...for a minute i thought you guys were angry about my seal...

Nope, Seal is cool!

Defiler back on the list! Yay!

I have some ideas in mind to try to get mine to look cool. First thing is to not have the head on the top. It's just silly, that's where the Berzerker goes! LOL

cool idea to use those joints from bionicles and lego techno...i like that idea...that is bound for awesomeness!

That does indeed look cool!

So, don't take offense at this picture, I couldn't help myself!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




That isn't funny.













Yes it is. Thanks.

LOL, I'm glad you thought it was funny too!

What you have there is already more detail than I had planned to put into mine. That is really looking sweet!

Thank you, and to think I had given up on it.

lol... that was a quick one^^

@ mxwllmdr- Hey, thanks for the compliments. The foam is insulating foam (Owens Corning). I didn't use Jesso, I used regular black latex paint on first coat, sprinkle some sand on it just before it is totally dry and then brush on 2nd coat, evens things out and gives it that slightly gritty look. The burnt craters are exactly that- burnt. I used a propane torch to melt the foam. I *STRONGLY* recommend doing that OUTSIDE. The stench is foul and the fumes can cause cancer in lab rats a mile away.

I got all those Necromunda plates by buying 2 sets of the core game when it came out a million years ago, plus Outlanders and GorkaMorka and eBay and who knows what else. eBay sometimes has really good deals on them, but more frequently not. The last bunch I bought were mislabeled and I picked up as part of a random lot of junk, there just happened to be 8 of these in it.

By the way... when DSG sees that you have cut up Legos for your Defiler project he's likely going to ban you for life then hunt you down and beat you mercilessly with his VW hippy bus.

I know about the Lego fetish. I defend my blasphemy by saying that they are Bionicle pieces that my children have outgrown. I do not now and have never considered Bionicles to be Legos, well, not really anyway. Not the kind that deserve respect and long term care and attention.

And you're welcome. I got into this hobby trying to build terrain in the first place and got challenged to build Titans. I really want to do a nice sewer table with a huge gothic Imperium Church (Basilica?). That's why I gravitated towards DST's threads to begin with.

I know about the Lego fetish. I defend my blasphemy by saying that they are Bionicle pieces that my children have outgrown. I do not now and have never considered Bionicles to be Legos, well, not really anyway. Not the kind that deserve respect and long term care and attention.

totally second that...techno and bionicle don´t have the soul and warmth lego otherwise provides...

...

I don't think I can be friends with either of you anymore. Bionicle is awesome and I have a huge collection of them with my son. I started buying them for "him" when he was 3.

Wow. Really? You guys don't like Bionicle?

That deserves another one. Shame on you both.

Don't get me wrong, I had hundreds and hundreds of hours of quality time with my sons over the bionicles but I am bitter about them because it is a direct result of bionicles that my sons never gained the love of regular Legos that I have. But if it means that much to you then I will bring you something back from LegoLand Florida when I go in October 2012.

Nice seal, btw. Don't go blaspheming against the League, though, or they will come for you.

I would never defame the LoER. I hope to qualify for membership myself someday.

Ditto on that, dude....

lol... like the seal... you do realize that by creating a new seal you are a internet VIP instantly?^^

also...i didn´t say i don´t like it... many parts looks quite cool... when assembled the whole models just look akward to me... i need more "flesh" to a model than most models provide by bionicles... it is too much seethrough for my taste... like a construction work... you assemble a model and when you are done it still looks as if it waits that you complete it...you know what i mean?


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oh... and we are discussing new members in the inner circle...

Yeah, I know what you mean. The skin and bones effect was a little disturbing.

My son's watched all the movies and the story was ok, too.


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I liked the VW Hippy Bus. It might not be so bad a way to die.

I find your blasphemy against LEGO disturbing......

you know dave... you can always collect points by making vader comments/quotes^^

Sorry, DST. Truly am, I'll bring you something from Legoland Florida, too.


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@DST "The Jedi turned against me! Don't you turn against me too!"

I am a LEGO VIP member, I had free admission on the Grand Opening day of Legoland FLA even! But we coudn't make it to FLA. in October - Have a hellua lot of fun man!

BTW Legos make for excellent mold boxes...

Yes Legos go with resin molds like peanut butter goes with jelly.

theunicorn wrote:Yes Legos go with resin molds like peanut butter goes with jelly.

or like cheese and Marmite

or like stein and plastic

When are we gonna see the Warhammer Lego sets?

get vik to steal some lego molds, then ship em to stein then he can pour his own with his plastics

mxwllmdr wrote:When are we gonna see the Warhammer Lego sets?

Cant see that happening could you imagine the IP issues GW would create from that

No "official sets" per se, but it has been done already, just google 'lego 40k"

Minecraft is evil btw, very, very, evil.

i was wondering what serious illness had kept you from dakka and us so long...was again worried you might be snown in or something worse.... now it turns out it is indeed for the worse... minecraft... you will regret wasting your braincells with this and not with booze^^

HAHAHA!...but I just need a few more diamonds...just a few! lol

Actually, I'm having fun with it, it's a lot like playing with Lego. I can't help but imagine how awesome a Necromunda mod of the game would be. The randomly generated caverns are amazingly beautiful for a blocky game.

i watched some explaining vids and if you know shrike from my thread at all he fell victim to the game too...

and i bet that the blocky nature of the game speaks to you... if i wasn´t on a hold to spend money for next to anything^^ then i probably would have gotten that game too... i just love creative sandbox games...

dsteingass wrote:No "official sets" per se, but it has been done already, just google 'lego 40k"

Minecraft is evil btw, very, very, evil.

Yes I have seen several 40k correction out of lego but none official kits, lot of ork stuff pretty good

In 2012 LEGO is introducing LOTR LEGO sets though, that is full of WIN IMHO.

LotR in 2012??? felt twenty years after the jackson trilogy??? why that or will it be more for the hobbit License in the upcoming movie?

Huh, What is Minecraft? Is that a noob question? Do I sound like a dork?




Oh, wait I know what it is. My 12 year old plays that. LOL

LAMO

Minecraft is a crack-like game where you dig whatever you want, build whatever you want, and zombies spawn at night or in dark caves and try to eat you or explode on you, leaving a huge crater.

^ or if your like me... play online with hundreds of people in a server dedicated to the recreation of middle earth based entirely off of the map books

I don't need anything else to take my time. It's already all gone.

mxwllmdr wrote:When are we gonna see the Warhammer Lego sets?

If they did release them, you could build them but would be violating IP when you mixed two sets together, and if you displayed them at your house you'd have to have a plaque w/ "IP copyright by Games Workshop, built by (your name)"

it is hard to stay away from that game... if described like that... although i just got a beta invitation of a favorite game of mine for online gaming... jagged alliance online... it has to be tested^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:i watched some explaining vids and if you know shrike from my thread at all he fell victim to the game too...

and i bet that the blocky nature of the game speaks to you... if i wasn´t on a hold to spend money for next to anything^^ then i probably would have gotten that game too... i just love creative sandbox games...

You can play minecraft classic for free Vik


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Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:

mxwllmdr wrote:When are we gonna see the Warhammer Lego sets?

If they did release them, you could build them but would be violating IP when you mixed two sets together, and if you displayed them at your house you'd have to have a plaque w/ "IP copyright by Games Workshop, built by (your name)"

LOL, yeah, LEGO would never agree to such terms as GW would try to roll into such a deal. Could you imagine not being allowed to use LEGO bolters on any MOC except a 40k build? That would be stupid, but something GW would try.

You can play minecraft classic for free Vik

...linky please... the only on i could find was a comercial one...

www.minecraft.net

play classic

many thanks mate! crack dealer that you are^^

hey stein if you ever try to go onto - minecraftmiddleearth.com - server i would be happy to play with you

Awesome, I'll check it out, thanks bro.

no prob, let me know if you go, user name is Spawn_o_Grimace

mates... i tried it out for some minutes... i didn´t knew what would make sense so i strated to dig like crazy... soon i was in the molten lava...^^ but then i got dizzy ...in RL... somehow the graphics and the movent of cam made me quite dazed... any ideas how to cope with that? i know of that reaction to certain games ever since i played duke nukem...i literally puked on my keyboard from dizzyness back then...

Viktor von Domm wrote:mates... i tried it out for some minutes... i didn´t knew what would make sense so i strated to dig like crazy... soon i was in the molten lava...^^ but then i got dizzy ...in RL... somehow the graphics and the movent of cam made me quite dazed... any ideas how to cope with that? i know of that reaction to certain games ever since i played duke nukem...i literally puked on my keyboard from dizzyness back then...

Now I understand when they say excessive game playing is bad for your health dude you blew chunks thats commitment

lol

vik dont worry, the reason why i can only play it a little at a time is because it gives me such horrifing headaches

I couldn't reach minecraftmiddleearth.com dood. sorry. Vik, all the best stuff is usually close to lava or water flows deep underground. And check your graphics settings, make sure you don't have the quake graphics setting on, it's horrible., barf-o-matic

http://www.minecraftmiddleearth.com/ - its not working?

ok... thanks for the hint dave... will check that out...

and i always under the assumption that i was the only one that get headaches and stuff when playing a certain setting of graphics...quite the assuring feeling to others have the same probs...(thanks RW)

My wife gets sick playing any 3D game. But then again she is blind in her left eye and gets dizzy on stairs. Something about having zero depth perception. lol

): im blind in my left eye..... although alot of stuff does give me bad headaches like the convayorbelts at the airport that people walk on, all those lines...


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although i dont have bad depth perception

dsteingass wrote:www.minecraft.net

play classic

Stupid work computer blocking "games" sites.

DO NOT play Minecraft! I used to have a son. I now have a troll that stays in his bedroom playing that game.

Good to know! Thanks! It might make the work day go by quicker though. Then again, I like having a paycheck, so I guess I'll just leave it alone.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. The GOV tried blocking facebook games. Yeah, I hit 1.8 million in Zuma Blitz last week and am already at 1.3 this week. LOL

oh dave... where did this thread led us all to...^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:oh dave... where did this thread led us all to...^^

LOLz

By the way, DSteingass, have you seen this? One Brick to Rule Them All ...

Summer is going to be expensive for me.

Hard to believe this thread is still going on. Keep up the good work dstein!

UG

I like to think of this place as my own personal bar, where everybody knows your (screen) name

And yes, very expensive indeed, but my GF is the larger LOTR fan, so I'm sure she will be bankrolling the majority of the sets. I just want an Easterling minifig army myself. I would rather play Lego LOTR tabletop games than GW's.

OMG LEGO LOTR!!!

Never considered the fact you could use lego as a miniature alternative

but dave... consider this... there are no rivets with lego possible for terrain...that would be a total blow... but one could skip certainly the paintjob which would maybe make up for the lack of rivets...

and mate... gimme another one of the usual^^

dsteingass wrote:I like to think of this place as my own personal bar, where everybody knows your (screen) name

And yes, very expensive indeed, but my GF is the larger LOTR fan, so I'm sure she will be bankrolling the majority of the sets. I just want an Easterling minifig army myself. I would rather play Lego LOTR tabletop games than GW's.

And the sad thing is that building a Lego minifigs LotR army is cheaper than buying GW LotR minis!

Bought Minotaurus and two Heroica sets. Haven't played the latter, but Minotaurus is decent with a few house rules from Boardgame Geek.

What are you talking about Vik?

dsteingass wrote:What are you talking about Vik?

You always find a way to rivet it don't you mate

But can you buy a bag of a thousand at a time

YES, yes I can!
www.bricklink.com
1000 can be done, I found bark bluish grey for $0.03 each the cheapest avail in that quantity from one seller
[url]
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?pg=1&colorID=85&itemID=777&sz=25&searchSort=P[/url]
1000=$30- but that would be a lifetime supply. I usually buy 100 at a time.

Dam you are really committed to the Riveting maybe you will end up being committed at this rate LOL

Well, as Riveting as this conversation is I have to go to work now maybe I will invest in lego next the misses will love that another hobby expense taken on.

heck i did knew that brick too... but the look...hmmm...not what i had in mind...besides... take a thin plate and you have pre riveted surfaces already...^^

my son felix just the other day ate some choclate santa... and after that he took the foil and embeded it between to said plates of lego... he thus createed the very first pressmould of riveted stuff in his young life... now that is a good development it i ever saw one^^

Awesome! It looks like you are raising them right Vik!
BTW Vik, I did not get the box of playmo stuff shipped yet. The Post Office line was outside the door when I went, so I will get that stuff shipped out next week some time.

no haste there mate... for my kids i tend to like no delayed presents from santa anyway... my felix is very into the wholemyth stuff about santa so i don´t want to ruin the of santa by looking him to be incompetet and just loosing and refinding stuff... so when your package arrives you can be sure i tell him that it is from you...by the way.... presents from santa have always that sour feeling that you have just torn off a leg but all the credit goes to the fat man... that is quite frustrating...isn´t it

I was probably 7 or 8 years old before I realized that Mom and Santa used the same roll of wrapping paper I have friends who felt that telling their kids about santa would be lying to them, it's no big deal. By all means, tell them it is from me. Besides, Every time I go to the store, I keep picking up a few more of those mystery figure packages, so I keep getting more duplicates that I don't want. I think I can soon build an army of the sport guys I also have some of the girl Playmo figs for them. I'm sure they need a princess to rescue right?

lol... i trx to be whenever possible^^ an honest guy^^ so i will tell the truth...it is better in the long run anyway... well my son is quite sharp... so i think he wont last with the whole santa issue once he gets to be going to school... that surley will see to that end... but he loves all those little mysteries and such things...

well pricesses are needed... always^^ and lol a sporty army...now that would be a creepy thing... like a zombyfication of those and then imagine them all lurching about...lol...

also i just had the other day a leaflet...they are making a whole pink and blue new set of those bags... lol... the pink got a vampire lady and a lara croft even... and in the blue is an actual elvis and...wait for it... something that looks like uncle sam iirc...i try to make a pic of that add in the evening for ye...

I already have 3-4 of the uncle sams, I stole their beards for my Confederate army
those figs are already out here in the US, those have been what I have been buying bags of. But I haven't seen an Elvis or Laura Croft. Often, Playmobil releases different sets in the US and other countries than in Germany. I got the Collector's book that shows every set from 74-2009

ah ok... well should i search for certain bags for you...? you just have to say the word mate

well of course the idea for an uncle sam could be only rooted in the US... here in german most peeps might think he is an icecreamseller^^

is it that round and curly looking beard the posh guys have or is it a longer version of the santa beard?

also...only 4 hours left till the 23. of december shifts towars the 24th...

It's the mustache-less beard, or chin beard, as opposed to the full beard and mustache like the cowboys and pirates have. I have plenty, but I would like to find more of the sideburns like the Confederate soldiers from a few years ago.

yep those sidebackbeards were cool...never had one of those...but definite something you should try to get!

I have a few of them, but they only come with the direct services Union Officer now. I have 25 Union and 25 Confederate infantry now, and I bought a whole gaggle of muskets with bayonettes from a dude in Greece on ebay. The Winchester repeating rifles they come with are a bit too futuristic for American Civil War infantry, especially the South, those boys used their own personal hunting muskets more often than any Issued weapons. I also need more variety of cowboy hats and vests and such, since most Confederates did not have a grey uniform like the movies always portray. Merry Christmas Vik!

Sorry. Had to do it. I miss the madness.

oh yeah... those were the times! miss that plastic work too...


thanks dave! i wrote a letter just the other minute for my kids from santa... he will be not getting in touch wioth them this year but he will leave his sack full of presents on our doorstep nevertheless...i have to spin the tale for them^^

as for the cobbled look of confederates... i totally agree... and iirc playmobil provides a wide range of those hats... be sure to use the occasional bowler hat or top hat too... they give such a finished look to the mixed platoons! also i totally agree yet again to the weaponswap... old flintlock muskets are a must... i bet it is the same in the movies with those MP´s the germans always carry around... that tech was so seldomly seen on the battlefield... my grandpa told me he had to actually steel from a MP (now Military police) his sidegun, to protect hinmself in a tight corner...even pistols were hardly ever seen... the average doe gets the gun that is expandable...so old hunting rifles is totally a good decision...

do you happen to know this gun type by the way:


http://www.ebay.de/itm/JAGER-WILDSCHWEINEN-BAUERNHOF-PLAYMOBIL-C52-/250908206544?pt=DE_Allesf%C3%BCrKind_Spielzeug_Playmobil&hash=item3a6b4b65d0


that could be a good addition...

and yep: i wish you a peaceful christmas my friend!


vik

Necromunda will return after the holidays Skalk, don't worry my friend.

Geesh, fans are tough


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I think the men are armed well Vik, remember, each side has 2 artillery teams too. Cavalry will be added in 2012 sometime. I'm itching to play a game of Three Inch Glory.

dsteingass wrote:Necromunda will return after the holidays Skalk, don't worry my friend.

YAY!

dsteingass wrote:Geesh, fans are tough

Yeah, sorry about that. I do the same things to bands.

*edit* dude you have more Playmobile than anyone I've ever seen in my life, and I have to say I thought I / we (we being my son and I) had a lot. Wow.

christmas day is finally over... all sated and suitably gifted... we have plenty of lego atlantis already done and two more sets tomorrow to be build...pics i will show here too as i think the crowd here might apreciate it... my son felix already begun to creativily reconstruct some old sets in a new fashion to enrichen the terrain^^

also:

cool yanks and confederates forces... but didn´t you say last time that you wanted to go for a more individual lok on the grey guys? they look highly uniform atm... which is at first glance a true eyecandy^^ and now i marvel at what other nice things are stored in that rack those are standing in...

^sounds like a nice haul for xmas.. i still have to waite 12-13 hours

Some Xmas hobby suply drop goodness to share:
My Wonderful GF gave me the "Eavy Metal Kolinsky Sable brush set, the 'Eavy Metal Masterclass book, and the White Dwarf subscription-in-a-box (including the badass finecast White Dwarf mini with pop-gun!

Even she is telling me I need to spend more time at my painting bench.

@ Skalk and Vik- Playmobil sells the Union and Confederate figs in Army Builder sets of three for $10, the rest were all cheap ebay scores from the past month or so. That is why they all look a bit uniform right now. This is also why I am now hunting more bitz to individualize them.

Wicked cool Playmo Armies, Dave. I knew that Playmo had a following but since I was never into it I never realized how big it is. A quick google of Three Inch Glory showed me just how much can be done with these little guys.

I had no idea either, El Vik turned me onto the idea, which led me to google, which led me to three inch glory, which led me to ebay...etc. etc.

dsteingass wrote: I'm itching to play a game of Three Inch Glory.

That's what she said!
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

LOL!

El Vik turned me onto the idea

yeah... just get the balme on me... fair is fair...^^

the whole kollinsky issue sounds mighty interesting... be sure to share your expierience with all that!

as for the white dwarf mini...that one?...



cool....that interestes me...darn...is it acailable seperate or just for those that subscribe?...if i didn´t knew the answer to that one...:(

and be sure to give your GF my best wishes...she is truly wize beyond years! to shoove you back to the painting desk! it is a much needed thing to do^^

Every year they create an exclusive White Dwarf mini and then destroy the molds at the end of the year, kind of like the Games Day exclusive mini. I've been using a Windsor &Newton Kolinsky sable for a couple of years, it will be nice to add a couple more to the rotation, If kept clean, they REALLY keep their points sharp.

hmmm... thought so about that dwarven mini... i have looked through ebay... they do get sold there... not that mini but the older ones ...

as for the kollinsky brush... well one day i get me one of these too... i have atm a 0/20 brush and i think if a better brush...not necesarily a smaller one i could improve my painting...

Ah, how much this thread has derailed since I last checked! I used to love playmobil when I was a wee nipper and I've got a massive box of it stored in my loft, I haven't touched it in years but I can't bear to part with it!

It's like a train wreck, but I love it!

Ok, so IF I were to get back to the painting bench, what gang first? Delaques or Ratskins?

If you say Delaques, does anyone know what colors GW used for the brown trench coats in their studio miniatures?

It doesn't matter. Just get back to painting. it needs to be done, you want to do it. I need to break down and buy some paint and get started painting.

^^ Yeah just get painting, it will stop you waffling on about nostalgic stuff!

On a more serious note the ratskins would look really cool. But if you do delaques the colour is probably bleached bone washed with devlan mud or the ink form back then.

Perfect visual metaphor for this thread:

It's my thread and I'll waffle if I wanna, just because you keep clicking on it, don't take it out on me

I can't help it. It's in my "subscribed threads" and keeps showing back up on the top of the list. It's taunting me. I can't resist clicking.

Mmmmm. Waffles!

i´d say go for the ratskins... on the basis of next to no ones doing them... delaques are for my taste way overdone... they do look cool...but after seeing them for way too often in next to all hands i think i would like to see rather the ratskins... by the way... since catachans are your thing... why di´dn´t you got yourself a nice set of orlocks? i have some of their shotgunners and i think one day i will make a vet platoon from them in the style of the apocalypse now merc team in the jungle their... with tabards and tats and all that stuff...

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THREAD ABOUT ANYWAY!!!!!!!


I cant even remember why I subscribed to it know but hey it always has something new going on, I remember my Playmo from childhood I had a camper-van if I remember what kind of toy is that for a kid ….

To work towards a successfull RErailing:
Please don't paint those Delaque coats in light brown, PLEASE! If you do so I might have to put you on ignore, unsubscribe your thread and thoroughly perform exterminatus on your home address... No seriously it looks soooo bad! Just don't... Why not a nice black brown with a thick layer of rust dust and dust dust? Anything but these caramel suede good weather coats for the occasional visit of the local redemptionists chapel...

HAHAHA..point taken Baiyuan!...box -o- Orlocks and two pots of the new liquid GS ordered today! I was thinking the very same thing Vik.


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Three Juves walk into a drinking hole. An old bounty hunter is boasting of his adventures in the underhive.

The Juves notice that the bounty hunter has a peg-leg, hook, and an eyepatch. The first juve asks, "So, how did you end up with the peg-leg?"


The Bounty Hunter replies, "We were in a fight in the Outlands, and I was swept under the dust into a nestof mutant rats. Just as my men were pulling me out a mutant rat bit my leg off."


"Wow!" said the second Juve. "What about your hook"?

"Well," replied the Bounty Hunter, "while my men and I were plundering a rival guildmaster, I was caught stealing from a merchant. I was arrested and my hand was cut off."

"Incredible!" remarked the Third juve. "How did you get the eyepatch?"

"More hive dust," replied the Bounty Hunter.

"You lost your eye to a bit of hive dust?" the third Juve asked incredulously, trying not to laugh.

"Well," said the Bounty Hunter, "it was my first day with the hook..."

LOL

Nice LOL

So how you going to paint your Ratskins will they have any kind of tribal face paint

Whoa! easy there. I'm no beebopdrums ya know!

dsteingass wrote:Whoa! easy there. I'm no beebopdrums ya know!

Sorry what does that mean

The resident Dakka master of figure painting.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/395565.page

Hang on, models in dsteingass' thread! I must be dreaming.

The story is great and I can't wait until you actually paint something!

dsteingass wrote:

Three Juves walk into a drinking hole.

And the bartender says, "is this some kind of a joke?"


Are those models actually on your painting table? Or just here for a visual refference for the joke?

They are actually on the painting table, primed and ready to go. Why am I not allowed to take a break around here?

It's just that everyone loves your work, and we all want to see more of it!

My work is really only mediocre, I use a lot of smoke and mirrors, and trick photography to make you guys think that!


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Kid Kyoto's Civilian Vehicles thread has got me thinking about giving a visual to the "Cargo Eight" and "Cargo Ten" type of civilian trucks in the 41st Millennium, which got me to sketching these ideas


Just ideas, no definite plans yet. Thoughts?

They look cool, I always like to see new vehicles!

I need this design to scream 40k as much as the sillouette of a Leman Russ does tho, this blatant rip-off of the US OshKosh cargo truck of mine isn't quite doing it, although the front cab seems to have that 40k look (angles and such). I want the fenders (wheel wells/mud flaps) of the truck to have the same angles as the rear stabilizer bit the SM skimmer has.

Ah, OK, I see. Yes the back doesn't sceam 40k. Have you though about giving it tracks instead of wheels? Adding sides or completely enclose the cargo area?

Well, Dan Abnett called them "Cargo Eight" and "Cargo Ten" because of the number of wheels it had, so tracks are out I think.

My Sketches are just the flatbed versions, canvas, box, armored, etc can be added, use your imagination.

Hmmmm... Not sure then.

I got it! they need smoke launchers and coms!

..And rivets!

ughh! i have been trying to make some civie vehicles for ig for ever! then i saw http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/398194.page and now i know i need to find a good kit instead of trying to scratch build

Yep, this is one I was thinking of. with a 40k feel.
Thanks RW, for the link to that codex!

i wish he sold the kits he uses to make them.. because i'd buy a bunch!

I was thinking the very same thing Vik.

the juves look nice... either do them pretty ragtagged or shiny... like they are total noobs on the battlefield and about to become cannonfodder...

the trucks look nice, but for now they don´t ring that 40k bell in me...cool trucks in my book always look like :



the front has to be that noselooking... can´t really describe that but the flat look you gone for just doesn´t do it for me... can´t hear the engines with that sketch... besides... will you base that idea on an actual truck (kit or toy) or will you...if you...built it from scratch? this would then bring me to other thoughts...

anyway... i would love to see some prodcutivity again... and i think even tho you are no bebop...your power my firend is of totally different character... you don´t create with paints... your canvas is plastic... and i think you are far better off with that productive talent...it gives way more instant positive feedback (intrinsic)

cheers, vik

Yes, Digit's stuff is top notch for sure, they are no bigger than a Chimera too, which is important in a congested Hive City. Digit's prefab tents are what made me decide to register on Dakka in the first place, I am a huge fan.

But the Cargo Eight has not been done yet, and this is my opportunity to give a definitive "look" to Dan Abnett's creations, sort of like the Venerable Dave Taylor has done with the Blood Pact. My GF and I were just looking through the toy isle, and couldn't find a suitable set of wheels, so her idea too was to just get an 18 wheeler model kit and kitbash the feth out of it, although I think I want to scratchbuild the chassis the way I want. I must meditate on this.

dsteingass wrote:The resident Dakka master of figure painting.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/395565.page

Got what you mean now I am sure you can do it and that truck looks pretty dam good if you ask me design wise I would take a couple my self, as for taking a break no chance LOL

OMG Paint!

does this count as advertisment?
done with that brush? what scheme will they be sporting?

rat browns, greys, and tans, I'm sort of figuring that out as I go. Pallet selection is always trial and error with me until I find a sweet spot.


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Well, whatcha think?

Just basecoats and initial washes drying here. Ignore the random brush swipe. I am planning woodgrain effects on club hafts and the musket.


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I think this is it for tonight, But fear not! I have a nice loong holiday weekend, more paint will be slopped, I assure you!

Looks off to a nice start, I like the muted palette. It rteally fits the ratskins. I still have a gang of the classic models as well, and I love them

Glad you have put in the effort good start nice natural earthy colours works well still think some kind of face paint would work ………...

Looking really nice so far

Thanks guys! Are Juves allowed to wear war paint? Or do they need to become full gangers before they are allowed? They don't wear ratskin hats until they are full gangers?

Looking good man!

HAZZER

Only minimal markings for juves Gangers get more and bolder markings

hey, cool work there man.... i think it is unfair now to sell your work cheap by yourself now! they do look lovley! i really like that these juves have all black heads... i always get a sour face when seeing blonde heros...^^

the scheme looks rather excellent to me... knowing next to nothing about them fluffwise i yet feel that this is how they should look like! also good work on all that tiny detail, if that is what good brushes are capable of doing with us so called mediocre painters... than i better rush off to get me some quality brushes^^

cheers mate...

It's all in the tip of the brush Vik, Sable brushes just tend to keep that point for longer than regular squirrel hair, and a helluva lot longer than synthetic bristles, It helps if you are psychotic about keeping your brushes really clean too!

I I always rinse them with cool, clean water (never hot- it can loosen the glue that holds the ferrule onto the handle) and then use brush soap, scrub with thumb and forefinger followed by another rinse, and then the age old habit of reforming the tip with my lips. Then they should always be stored either upright or lying flat.

The cheaper natural and synthetic brushes have many uses, like drybrushing, you never want to use your good sable brush for drybrushing!

And if you are going to use oil paints for weathering, you MUST MUST MUST have seperate Natural bristle brushes for oils, Never ever ever ever ever use synthetic brushes or the same brush for oils and acrylics- This is BAD...like crossing the streams BAD.

OH, and BTW...NEVER lick your oil paint brush either

This is BAD...like crossing the streams BAD.

that made me giggle^^

totally with you on the whole issue there... i think i have to order in the nearer future some good brushes as i am totally unable to get them in a RL shop somewhere remotly near me...berlin seems to be an artles place concerning that artform...

by the way, do you happen to know what the main differnce is between brush soap and normal soap? not that i want to use the regualr soap for my brushes, was just interested... the lip methode of reshaping the point of the brush... even with a bit of spit is known to me and for the ones i hold dear i use it...

er... and oilpaint is hazardous to health? never knew that....

Well, I don't know if it will kill you, but it tastes like crap!

Are you in former East Berlin or what Vik? I would imagine the capital city would have more available stuff!

well as it happens i live in the east part of town...went shopping two weeks ago in the western part of town intoan artshop...but when it comes to brushes it was not what i had hoped for...but to not be on the unthankful side...they had foamcore there... so when iu start new terrainprojects i now know where to go^^

You should buy that stuff ahead of time, it sucks to run out mid-project. Is the East part of Berlin more run-down from all the Soviet years?

well it is now after over 20 years pretty good recovered, i guess it is just not a very arty town after all... remeber after the 1940´s we burned lots of artists and writers works... maybe the are not back...:( but in all fairness it is not really transparent where to get what... sometimes it is rather try and error... and as i now begin to follow the hobby with more earnest, so i have to gather more knowledge of what to get where...

and yep... materials are to be on stock before planning^^ (horders advice from a fellow horder^^)

Looking good here, Dave. I really like the musket. I hope to learn to paint this good someday. I have started putting my Chaos troops together, though, so it won't be long before we find out whether or not I can paint at all.

Thanks dood! I get a little bit better on each mini, unless I am painting my Catachan Blobs, then I just don't give a crap after awhile, 5 green pants, 10 black boots, etc, etc, repeat, die of boredom

The most useful things I have learned about painting, were usually caused by my own stubborness in the first place, I refused to listen to these advices from many sources:

1. thin your paints
2. use multiple thin coats instead of one thick coat
3. keep your brushes clean
4. allow washes and inks to dry completely before even looking at the next thing

And was always dissapointed with my stuff because of it.
I am still working on my following stubbornesses:

1. mix your colors in the 1:2:1 type ratios (I hate mixing colors)
2. blend colors wet (scary, I am afraid it will turn to mud)
3. resist the urge to drybrush textured areas (it's hard, because drybrushing gives instant gratification, but like milk, spoils easily)

It is all a learning experience, be patient with yourself, practice, and keep your mistakes out where you can see them so you learn from your mistakes. That's about the best advice I can give you.

I learned to paint minis over 10 years ago from reading Dr. Faust http://www.paintingclinic.com/

Juves' looking good!

Your truck talk yesterday got me to thinking of an Ork Battle Wagon I started almost 2 years ago!


(my cutting mat has 1 inch squares to help with scale in case you wanted to know)

I never got past the chassis stage, but your diagram of the trucks reminded me about it. I kind of wanted to go for a snub-nosed Mack Truck look, but I was just not sure how to do it.

If I ever get my Guard Army off the ground, I gess I could use this chassis for a heavy truck too. Who knows!

Amigo, that is totally bad ass!! Perfect!

Today, I ordered some of Zinge's new wheels today, I was looking at the M65 Atomic cannon's prime movers wheels, and they are just way too big for the truck, but I could easily see those wheels working well! Are those from a Tonka truck?

Thanks, Dave, I will read DR. Faust and keep all that advice real handy. Built the Chaos battleforce and a Land raider yesterday so I gotta get on the paint soon.

Gonna order from Zinge myself. Loving the cable bundles, vents and grills and Fans. Loving it.

@ Dave - Thay ARE from a Tonka truck! They are called Tread Shifters. And are awesome! I can just never find them in the stores anymore.


The outer tires are removable, and there is a smaller diameter tire under it!

1. mix your colors in the 1:2:1 type ratios (I hate mixing colors)
2. blend colors wet (scary, I am afraid it will turn to mud)
3. resist the urge to drybrush textured areas (it's hard, because drybrushing gives instant gratification, but like milk, spoils easily)

my fears exactly!


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at jake... i can get those at our 1€ shop... they are quite cheap fortheir convertive potential

El Vic, nice! They are usually in the $2.75 range here. When I can find them. Also, for Orks, I think just one of the basic trucks right out of the box, with some conversion of course, would be great for a Buggy, or Scorcha, or something like that!

Oh Yeah! The black chassis looks like it seperates from the yellow body nicely, very cool, I'll check the dollar stores sometime this weekend.

...rolls chair back over to painting bench....

hehe... don´t forgett the update pics...you wouldna forget about them in a hurry of speedpainting frenzy, now do ya?

Boy you guys have been busy took me ages to catch up on this thread I go to work and all hell breaks loose, with you on the painting techniques but it does pay and after a while you get use to doing the same thing over and over again so becomes second nature and the results pay of.

I have bought some acrylic slow drying medium to try out for blending saw a technique on the internet using this and it seemed to work well and helped with the flow of paint so fingers crossed with that, however I think I need to invest in some decent new brushes.

I have used oils before but the waiting time drove me nuts (patience is a virtue)

Now more pictures please

Would never forget pics Vik.

did you do those bases by yourself? if so good work and consider that idea nicked! rivets on base...either i do rivets on new minis or cobblestones...

as for the minis... the skin actually looks quite good... for me still the toughy on top! will you add a bit of drybrushing to the hair? later on then a dark wash? to break it up a bit? or maybe aw forgett that... those are juves and they need a bit of a youngster hairdo^^

Yes I riveted Juves! lol
I just used scrap bits of plasticard and added a few rivets. They aren't done yet Vik.

well this is a good idea... you could next time turn those riveted bitz and make it look like beams...but i really like that idea!

Thanks man!

I Think I will call these Juves done for now. I may add warpaint later, when I do gangers, we shall see. So for now, check it out.

well, these are looking cool, and the red hints on the base gives the minis a bit of color against the muted tones on the bodies... the three of them somehow remind me of the last mohawk...that movie... they have quite an indian feel to them...just realized that the guy on the far right has a crossbow^^ would have been nice to get him a tube and a fuse like some fireworks...

well i call it a night for tonight...

wish you a good start in the new year...even if it turns out to be all our last^^
cheers, vik

Thanks Vik. You are right about the red, it is a contrast color, but is isn't ENOUGH contrast is it? I think they need more. The red is actually red rust weathering powder.

And the damn macro photography is foiling me again, everything is sort of gakky grainy. I will have to play with that.

Viktor von Domm wrote:well, these are looking cool, and the red hints on the base gives the minis a bit of color against the muted tones on the bodies... the three of them somehow remind me of the last mohawk...that movie... they have quite an indian feel to them...just realized that the guy on the far right has a crossbow^^ would have been nice to get him a tube and a fuse like some fireworks...

well i call it a night for tonight...

wish you a good start in the new year...even if it turns out to be all our last^^
cheers, vik

Last of the Mohicans?

I was purposely giving them a Miami Indian look. As close as I could anyways, since we basically performed exterminatus on them hundreds of years ago.


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The rest of the gang to do yet:

Three gangers/scouts

A shammy

And for some reason, I have 2 Chiefs/Gang leaders and a mutant pet rat, which I don't see any rules for the pet in the Outlanders book.

TBH, I totally forget where I got these, I know I got them secondhand, probably about 5+ years ago. They weren't painted, but they were covered in that wierd metal corrosion/rust stuff. I thoroughly cleaned them with a dremel wire wheel, then soaked them in lysol disinfectant. The corrosion did not return after a few days, so I primed them and this is the first I've done anything with them.

white metal is able to corrode? didn´t expect that...

the right guy on the last pic i own too... thought i baught that as a sort of collectible mini off of ebay...but i expect it wont sell any better, eh?

by the way... the rat tails...are they fake or mutations...fluff wise?

and at fifty... yep...that´s what i ment...thanks for the catch^^

and well...at dave again... i imagine your guys to be sacavangers in the hive... so i think they would like to travel mostly unnoticed... so any big contrasts in their apearances might be unwanted...

as for the graininess... how far away is your cam from the minis? maybe try to zoom in on them and have the cam on a tripod? and use the timer function? also more lighting would be good too...tho i have to say... that was the first bacth of yer pics to actually sporting a white background! for that improvment^^

The tails are part of the rat skins they wear as clothes, they are not mutations or part of the gangers, from what I can see, but yeah, I remember wondering the same thing Vik!

Doh! Why didn't you guys point out that I forgot the eyes?? I'm doing my job over here, do yours!




Yeah yeah, the top guy's eye is a little wonky, I wish I could see as well as the camera could on that one!

..Now that I got the camera to do my bidding, I can clearly see there is much more refinement I could do to these Juves, and I will, but for now, I MUST move on to gangers.

now that is what i call photoquality!

much better now... whatever you did... just do it that way^^

as for the eyes... just the first looks a bit mishappen...thr rest specially the eyebrows looks very good! also nice to now better see those bases... very good work there mate!

oh and about the missing eyes before... they werent missed by me... i wont paint them...too much frustration potential there... so i assumed that you would leave them as were...which was also good looking but now that way much more personality^^


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and about the tails... with 40k one ever can be sure that these aren´t some weird abominations^^

Fluff-wise, I imagine they are exactly what would happen to ANY humans who were isolated from "Society" for hundreds or thousands of years, they would breed, and survive, and after a few generations, would have formed their own societies and practices. Hives are big places, and Imperial society would have also forgotten about these people in the underhive.

yup... seeing the chiefs and the shaman that is exactly what you just described... also they give a nice mad max vibe

as for the earlier question concerning colors... i guess the shaman could do with a shiny belt full of red shells... as kind of an amunition talisman... sort of armor of faith...in a cargo cult way...

Yeah, but he has all those shotgun shells, but is hefting a stub pistol in the air..Do you think he should have a proper shotgun instead?

i just had to read about stub guns... as it turns out they are just regular pistols in our times... er... i thought they were more like sawed off shotguns...pistol from... well then it doesn´t make any sense in keeping him with that gun... instead get him a nice shotgun then...

By your command...

Clipped the barrel and iron sight rail from the stub pistol, added 2mmx1mm styrene tube (same size as the Chief's shotgun barrels)

Used two slices of 2mm half-round sandwiching a strip of 1mm for the pump (or fore-end)

And more tube for the magazine. I need to plug the magazine tube with something yet and carve finger grips in the wood.

I'm loving the Ratskins dude! Great work...

And the kustom shotgun is ace! I'm so going to have to steal that

Thanks man! Please Do! And all I ask is that you show me a pic!!

the first pic got me confused...but then ....boy! what a cool thing! if you cast anything... then make your own brand new davemade shotguns...i think you could do them pretty well that way! you totally sold me that look! hope that red smear is not your blood there?

Haha, no.. did you notice on that Raboesh styrene I sent you, that the ends of the pieces are painted? That's just the red paint on the end of the stock styrene.

dsteingass wrote:Yeah yeah, the top guy's eye is a little wonky, I wish I could see as well as the camera could on that one!

I remind you:

Tortured-Robot wrote: ... you dont know how bad something looks until its monitor size

I also remind you, I have never painted anything this size. So, when I say they look amazing, please believe me. They look amazing and that shotgun is fething fantastic. I love this thread, never know what you're gonna see.

Looking great dstein! Everything is looking great so far and I can't wait to see the rest of your gang painted, if they're going to be as good as the juves!

Thanks a lot Max and Farty!

Let's see if we can build another shotgun in the same fashion:

Rectangle curved at one end for the shotgun body, and a piece of tube notched

The first slice of magazine tube glued on

two slices of half round and a slice of rectangle

Made into a sandwich

clamped in a vice, and using only the width of a saw blade to create the grips

More magazine tube

Magazine cap plugged with rivet rod.

And slice the rear end of the barrel at an angle like so to complete the look.

And here is the other angle.

Wow, great tutorial, I'll definitely have to give this a go now! May need some more plastic rods in other shapes though... I only have round at the moment...

Great tutorial, I'll have to try it out when I make someone with a shotgun in Inq28!

THanks guys, you could easily use 2 scraps of regular 1mm sheet styrene glued together before cutting if you don't have strip. I have not usd anything here bigger than 2mm


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..Which I will now demonstrate by trying to build a wooden stock for the shotgun:

2 scraps of 1mm styrene

glued together (I used superglue here to expedite the build)

Sketch on your stock design

Clip and cut the rough shape

Use a flat and round file to smooth everything out

With a bit more notching action, the stock and shotgun are joined

Size comparison with lasrifle


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Here I have sketched the area for the shell ejector

and gouged it out with a drill bit, knife and file

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Some paint

Not perfect, I gougued the shell ejector on the wrong side of the body.
So this is a "Left Hand" model shotgun
But I didnt research at all, I just built this from memory or the warp, or whatever.
but really quite a decent basic pump shotgun for a lucky ganger eh?


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waiting on brown ink wash to dry



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And there you have it!
How to build a shotgun




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Happy New Year!

At the stroke of midnight, my grandfather used to fire his shot gun off outside to herald in the new year. I guess this is my way of doing the same

Nice tout man! look like you put a lot of time into your shotgun but the effort was worth it! Looks really good have you ever thought about making a few more then casting them in resin? anyway looks good man!

oh yeah, I just have to make a few more in order to make a decent one for casting.

Do you ever take a break Like the idea for the shotgun will borrow that for my orks if you don't mind and thanks for sharing, the how to was great easy to follow and crystal clear great work. I like the idea of the left hand shotgun my grots were all issued with left hand screwdrivers they keep them next to their glass hammers I still think the juves need warpaint but they do look great have you the Brakar ratskin mini the hero holding a massive stubber that figure is amazing you must have it.

THanks LDD, I just took a break, and everyone bitched about it, so no

Nope, these are the only Ratskins I have, original Classics.

Nice shotty tutorial! I love the original Ratskins, I prefer them over their second incarnation. Nice to see them getting some love!

I thought this guy was an original Ratskin:

Oh wow! I have never seen him. I didnt know that Ratskins could have Heavies! Is he a Special Charachter perhaps? All I have are the original Necro rulebook & Sourcebook, and the Outlanders book. I also have the re-released Necromunda Rulebook. In the Outlanders book, they only list Chief, Shammy, ratskins, and braves. Very cool though.

Here is the first Ganger of the New Year! Sans the basing- I will do all three Gangers bases at the same time to maintain some painting rythym- yesterday, Vik's shotgun idea distracted me a little bit Time flies when I grab knife and plastic

wow...ok steady here... first things first...

a)
that new ratskin looks super! if the eyes here are a mishappen, i would still leave them as is, they look somehow to me like warpaint or that stuff footballers use to balcken their eyes for contrast ...really great mini...

as for heavys... i thought since you could equip your gangers for necro anyhow you like so each group should have the possibility to have heavys...

and then the shotgun.... well let me say i had to instantly show my wife your tut... and i do show little of the contens of dakka to my wife to avoid those sheepish grins you might get from her...:( but with that work of yers i just had to risk that^^

i am very proud of you! what a great gun! and i second the idea to massproduce HER^^ lovley piece of massdestruction!
in the fullness of time i really have to give that idea a try myself... but! that leaves me with another idea... now you could make other nice guns too...like to create a weaponsrack full of different guns? a cool scenery piece as a objective marker...just a thought!


happy new year mate... and a great shout out to your grandpa for this tradition^^ which you fully well followed in your own fashion!

cheers, vik

The heavy is Brakar the Avenger, an old special character. He's a 'first generation' ratskin modle, so you're right about that.

Yeah Vik, the ideas are endless. It's funny, when I was a kid, I used to build wooden guns with scrap lumber very much in this same fashion Thanks man, the eyes will all get fixed at the end of the bunch, I just need to move on through the gang, or I will never get done before I get sick of painting figs for awhile

@Khaine- Thanks man, I'll have to be on the lookout for him at the dig booths at Gencon or some other show.

well i built a double barrel shotgun for my kids from wooden scraps...some things are just meant to be built^^

don´t get me wrong... the eyes of the last ratskin i really like...leave them alone^^

and yep...that is pretty much what is keeping me from finishing squads in the first place...burnout by overdoing too many mini in the same fashion over and over again...

Wow. Those Ratskins look really good. Don't rag on your painting skills anymore, they are way above the level you claim them to be.

I'm really excited to see your new work. The shotgun is amazing and yet another display of the incredible skill you have. I've said it many times before and will likely keep saying it- you have my respect. Great work here all around.

i like the look of this ganger, nice face tattoos!

Allright, I'll leave the accidental brushstroke and call it a tattoo! it's like my equivalent of the virgin mary grilled cheese sandwich lol

By your command....

ROFL....

Love the shotguns! Keep up the great work and steady progress!

CommissarKhaine wrote:The heavy is Brakar the Avenger, an old special character. He's a 'first generation' ratskin modle, so you're right about that.

I thought he was I wanted him to convert for a predator (the original) type squad can you guess what he was going to be and that is not mine it was just a picture I found of the net.

Squad is coming on nicely you even inspired me to blow the dust of my model room and get set to paint I only need to find some time now took me all bloody day to sort it out you don't realise how much stuff you have I was like wow I have one of them and 3 of that and o look at that over their time to set myself to work I think

You should make some flintlock type pistols for those Ratskins to go with the muskets I made one once for my ork pirate dok turned out well and looked great never got painted mind but hey you should do that they would look bad ass

zinge too has those in his shop...them pistols i speak of^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:zinge too has those in his shop...them pistols i speak of^^

Yes I know the ones you mean (I have plenty of his stuff it cost me a fortune ) and they are great but I think it would be fun to scratch build some himself as he has a skill so why not use it ……. I liked making the one for Dok and I felt it turned out well

have you made some pics in progress? the hardest part would be the slighty opened tip... i think i would like to see a scratchbuilt flintlock pistol...

very cool. I love the old ratskins....the new ones are poop. Nice shotgun!

Thanks guys!

The Shammy



I need to work on the bandoliers more, it s a bitch, because most of his shell holders are empty, but occasionally a few shells are in place, kinds hard to paint those.

Doh! It would help if I had the lamp shining light into his face and not on his butt

your speed makes me look like a total lazy guy...which i am of course^^

the shammy looks very good... and nice to see the handguard/loader of the shotgun. did you do that part just with washes? i get some very good wooden effects from devlan mud in thick layers... but we will get to see those shells?^^

and the eye is totally precise!


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ups... in between edits^^

No, the only wash I used was badab black, mostly didi's magic brown ink (just like GW's old brown ink) All my leather starts with bestial brown, all the wood starts with scorched brown.

What color should tyhr shells be? I am thinking red, with brass caps? Or do they need to contrast even more? Yellow maybe?

if you want a special sort of amo then you could go another color...maybe even blue...but for me shotgunshells will forever be in bold red with brassed caps...that is the style of freedom^^

Meh, I'm afraid this here is the best I can do, I think I painted too thick in this area, some of the detail seems missing. I just hope it gives the general idea of a half-crazy Shaman, fond of the drug "Slaught". He carries both his massive ceremonial club and shotgun to ward off evil hive spirits (the shotgun is the more effective tool, but I wouldn't argue with him if I were you )


Honestly, I have NEVER researched this figure, I assumed it was a ratskin, but it is really a Wyrd Beastmaster. http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Necromunda_1995_-_1997_-_Collectors_Guide#1997_Redemptionists

i think he looks very good! and well...the mini is whatever you want it to be...period!^^ nice lioncloth by the way^^

Yeah, he prefers the breeze

Nice work, and the "shammy" sure looks similar to a three faced stick I saw in the game Skyrim!

dsteingass wrote:Yeah, he prefers the breeze

might he be of scottish origin?...could be a clue...

LOL!

I am not familiar with the Ratskins, but this is some cool work, Dave. I love the club the shammy is holding. Is there anything saying that CSM can't take a shotty? Or would that be a counts as? I have used shotties as a primary weapon in two theaters for building clearing. I think some optional rules debate is in need on this one. Thinking, maybe, Khorne berserkers are looking pretty plain....


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Can you say Combi-Shotty?

hmmm...I'd imagine so, although I know for IG, they really shine as assault weapons with Melta Vet squads.
You just don't want to mix weapon types in IG squads as a general rule, not sure about CSM.

Viktor von Domm wrote:have you made some pics in progress? the hardest part would be the slighty opened tip... i think i would like to see a scratchbuilt flintlock pistol...

No I made it a while ago but will dig it out and take a picture for you if you want.

The ratskins are looking great but you need to get the red on the shells brighter it makes a statement and they will give the model a lift in colour IMO …..

Yeah I know, but I'll do that when I go through the entire group at the end, no doubt I will have to retouch every one.

But, another ganger





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Did someone order a Flintlock pistol?

Wonderful work on the Ratskin cloak he's wearing. Very nice flintlock. Reminds me of the Harper's Ferry pistols that are the emblem of the Military Police Corp.

Great job @ dsteingass just what the doctor ordered great now which model will you be given that bad boy to it kind of looks like a cross between a sawn off and a flintlock pistol and I love it.

hell yeah dave! that is the look! that flintlock pistol, again you raise the level...gosh...now for something heavier... how about some old WWII british MP´s? or for that mater a british heavy machine gun? that cold float well with the ratskins or generally with necro armour needs...or mine come to that^^

the coat of the ratskin looks without a doubt highly beautiful!
the gun looks this close a bit frosted as if the drybrush was too heavy on that...which puzzles me, cause it sure doesn´t look drybrushed to me at all...maybe a slight coat of badabblack to cover that up? otherwise...love those ratteeth...lol very cool looking!

by the way... wouldn´t mind a bit of a revelation for the flintlock...could suit my fellas pretty well too...^^

Woo nice nerco guys man! Looking good.

Thanks guys, the flintlock pistol was jut a whim, I don't really have anything in mind for it, it was just sort of a proof of concept thing (too see if I could do it). I just looked at this site http://www.redriverrenegades.com/bp_pistols%20&%20revolvers.htm
And started to carve a body out of plastic. The brass workings are just pieces of PE brass sprue hacked up with clippers. Maybe I will make more of these, I dunno, I don't really have too much of a need for these, as I still have several flintlock pistols left from ole Empire or Mordheim bitz.

Your just always up for the challenge aint you mate

HAHA, I guess so, that was actually the second one, for the first, I tried to carve the butt cap in the handle of one of the more ornate models, but that work proved to be too small with an x-acto, I sliced my thumb a bit , and I got the angle of the handle wrong, because I was trying to do it in two parts.


As you can see, the brass lock is a bit fiddly to file too, very small, and I broke it in half. I need to find a better/easier way of making the lock/hammer.
But it was fun. The shotgun is a much easier gun to make than this.

how about the use of a dremel for this kind of work? i bet you could make good way with such a tool... this looks like milling work all over...


oh...and because someone has to say it...:

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!

THe dremel would certainly work vik, but it is more of a problem with planning it out so that you have a solid way of holding the piece securely while you are working on it. My little bench vise is really too big for this kind of work, I need something like needle nose pliers that lock or could be tightened to hold firm. That brass sprue is super thin stuff. I would need to carve out the curvature from a solid piece while holding onto somethig solid. In time, I'm sure I will play with it more.

For steampunk vik, wouldn't you rather have WW1-type Vickers water-cooled machine guns? That should be easily creatable with the tubes I sent you



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For the proper (or other) Shammy in the gang


This guy TOTALLY makes me think of one of ALL of our favorite bad guys of all time:





Mola Ram!


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I am thinking Black rat fur, with red accents, bushy, dark eyebrows (of course), and plenty of bone


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And you see, I have only painted a thin flesh coat on, the rest is just a wash- I do this on models (and let them dry) so that I can easily see where the recesses are and paint shade color there. You would be surprised what details you find after this over a white primer that you couldn't see before now

I use these for really small work and clamp them into the table vise:




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Yes, Vik, they are German made.....

Doh! I have a pair of those right in front of me! Thanks man!

at mxwllmdr ...mate i do need a better callname for ye... that avatar name is just a plain nuisance to always copy and paste...^^

as for those clamps...cool idea! and i think they are very good for small jobs! and well, what can i say...germany was famous for its steely products... now india has taken over!

at dave...

yeah! that is totally the perfect inspiration for that character! didn´t even knew the name of that evil schemer... but he sure fits that mini!


oh and you are of course bang to rights...a cool water cooled vickers...or failing that of course my all time favorite early days machine gun...

the gatling^^

I think you have what you need to build either of those Vik!

The Third Ganger:

that one sure as hell needs a cig! or even better a cigar! fury style!

and yeppers mate... i asked baiyuan for help of my still ongoing glue problem...i need something desperatly ...

Testors tube glue, that's what I use mostly.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Testors-3521-Tuben-Klebstoff-Polystyrol-18-ml-/390374200978?pt=Standmodelle_Baus%C3%A4tze&hash=item5ae41d9692

thats the right stuff?

if so i order it immediately...

Absolutely! Exactly what I use, the blue tube is much less stinky than the orange tube, smells like lemon
Order a few, save on shipping

lol....ok consider that problem solved...bookmarked that stuff in my ebay acount...do you recon i should order two or even more tubes? i bet then i am able to really start kicking some serious but...plasticcardwise^^


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lol...just saw your edit... ok is a given^^

I can't get the Blue anywhere near me. I use the orange. But then again I have been smoking for thirty years so I can't smell a thing.


Mxwllmdr stands for Maxwell Murder. Call me Max.

the murder is a joke? okidoki max!^^

Oh crap Vik, I forgot you can't smell, sorry man,

Well one thing is you lot should stop sniffing glue don't you know it has bad side affects and don't be mislead by the pretty colours of the tube….. dsteingass well done for your dedication to the hobby blood must all ways be spilled to really get the respect due from your followers But I do think if you had not been sniffing your glue this would not have happened I hope we all have learned a valuable point here LOL

Hahaha
Yes, I have spilled much blood over the years for the hobby

I really dig the paintjob on the latest ratskin. Proper grimy, that's ace!

dsteingass wrote:Oh crap Vik, I forgot you can't smell, sorry man,

oh...mind you, from time to time i can smell quite awful...

Viktor von Domm wrote:

dsteingass wrote:Oh crap Vik, I forgot you can't smell, sorry man,

oh...mind you, from time to time i can smell quite awful...

Cant we all mate cant we all

for control i just have to aks me wife^^ or the kids...they don´t flinch that much^^

I know its time once the flies leave, they can be so sensitive

lol...no pets allowed in our home...

Pets how dare you they are like family …...

well...we don´t have any in the house...or out as we don´t own a yard^^

so in our small flat....no room left for those with more than two legs...and don´t go birds or fish on me now

HAH HA HAH LOL

Dammit, I have now come down with a nasty cold. The Shammy is 1/2 done, only the Gang Leader completely unpainted yet. After these, it is just a matter of basing and touching them up. Sooo close to having my first ever full real GW gang painted too. It's about time, I've used Catachans a Orlocks for what, 10 years now