Airman First Class Johnathan Kelly

A Thunderbolt pilot in the early stages of a xeno hunt on a Tau-infested planet, Airman Kelly is at first glance just another pilot. However, in an unfortunate miscommunication with a resident chapter of the Astartes resulting in a pitched three-way battle between the Tau, Astartes, and Guard regiment, Kelly found his own squadron shot down while the ground forces still desperately needed air cover to aid in halting the advance of what seemed to be an entire army of Crisis Suits led by none other than Farsight himself. The young pilot strafed the enemy time and again, relentlessly hacking away at the golden-armoured monstrosities until concentrated missile fire finally disabled his craft. Rather than simply going down with his plane, Kelly ejected and as fate would have it, landed directly in the center of a group of battlesuits. Miraculously enough, he managed to kill two and nearly wound another before the cowardly Tau turned tail and ran, leaving Kelly to safely regroup with the ground forces and live to fight the next day.

Since then, he has risen to a position of fable within the Guard regiments he serves with, time and again being shot down, guns blazing, before managing to make his way back to friendly lines, through a mixture of stealth, guerrilla fighting, and sheer determination to live. Not a day goes by that the ground troops don't give a cheer as he flies swift and low over the enemy lines, racking their nerves and sending them to the abyss from whence they came.

WS.....BS...S...T...W...I....A....Ld......Sv
...3.......5.....3...3....2...4...2....10....5+

Unit Type: Pilot (Upgrade to Thunderbolt)/Infantry (Independent Character)
Wargear: Flak Armor, Hot-Shot Laspistol, Close-Combat Weapon

Points... I'm not sure, I've never really been much for hero point costs since IG heroes range the gamut from a simple upgrade to a tank for 50 points to an undying commissar of badass for 185. Any points suggestions? I'd guess in the 70's range. He'd be purchased as an upgrade to a Thunderbolt, like Pask to a Russ.

Special Rules:

Fly-by: During the movement phase, Kelly can nominate a 12-inch strip of land over which to fly low and at high speed, rattling the enemy and reinforcing the morale of the ground troops. Any enemy unit within 4" of this strip must take a Pinning test at -1 Ld or go to ground. Additionally, all friendly units with line of sight to this strip gain a +1 to all leadership rolls for the duration of this turn.

Bail Out!: Kelly has lost many a Thunderbolt in the heat of battle, and as such is a master of rapid ejection and parachuting in combat. If his craft is shot down, he must take a leadership test immediately. If he fails, he is stuck in the Thunderbolt and presumed killed in the crash. If he succeeds, he ejects and pops into the air. On the next turn, he must make a deep strike test with the same rules as a SM Drop Pod as he guides himself skillfully to the safest location nearby. After this he becomes an infantry unit with the following set of rules. He may also move and shoot as normal this turn, but may not assault.

Guerrilla Fighter: With how many times he's been shot down behind enemy lines, Kelly has become adept at using stealth to his advantage. Once shot down, he gains the Stealth, Hit and Run, and Move Through Cover rules.

Eternal Pilot: If Kelly can manage to yet again make it back to friendly lines, he is met with many pats on the back, hi-fives, and cups of recaf before being rapidly transported back to the nearest airbase. If he reaches a friendly board edge, he is removed from play and neither he nor the Thunderbolt count as casualties; treat it as if they'd never been placed on the board. If he bails out but does not manage to make it back to the lines, the Thunderbolt's points are counted for Victory and Kill points, but not his own points.

Thunam, Fister of Slaanesh - 250 Points

Thunam, fallen captain of the Emperors Children, was presumed dead after a power fist obliterated his rear. Slaanesh, greatly aroused by such a fatality, imprisoned his soul into the confines of his pleasure palace. Still loyal to the God Emperor, Thunam rampaged across the realm until he discovered a room housing an incredibly tall mirror. The space marine wasted a second to glance, only to discover that his entire rear area was horribly disfigured. He was disgraced! For the Emperors Children strived for bodily perfection, how can he serve the Emperor now that his magnificent booty had been defiled? Ashamed and depressed, Thunam succumbed to the temptations of Slaanesh. But no, The Fetish Prince was not finished with him yet. For the next millennia, Slanneshi Deamons resembling giant fists tortured him into insanity. After 600 years, the Prince of Pleasure finally became bored of his pet, so Chaos God released the space marine back into the world. Armed with the memory of immeasurable pain, Thunam razes the galaxy, finding the space marine who ended his life, and repay him in kind.

WS: 6 BS: 5 S: 3 T: 4 W 3 I: 7 A: 4 LD: 10

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear:

Slaaneshi Pain Fist - A terrifying weapon covered with tongues, spikes and claws. The Slaaneshi Pain fist is a power fist. In addition its wielder may strike at normal initiative if he is at the rear, or behind an enemy model.

Torment Armor – Thunams power armor that has survived for millennia, now scarred with the excretories left behind during his torture. The Torment Armor confers a 3+ Armor save

Special Rules:

600 Years of Pain and Pleasure – The torture Tunam experienced has withered his strength significantly. He gets -1 strength (already included in profile). However he absolutely does not feel any pain. He has the Feel No Pain special rule

‘Behind you’ – Thunam knows where it hurts the most. At the beginning of any close combat round in which Thunam is involved, he may be moved to the rear area of any model, assuming that there is space and that model is part of the same combat.

‘That’s a nice flank you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to it’
Instead of attacking normally, Tunam may opt to do a brachioproctic insertion if he is at the rear of an enemy character, If he does, he makes a single attack using his Slaaneshi Pain Fist. Rolling to hit, wound and save still apply. If the target suffers an unsaved wound, he is now stunned and cannot do anything in the game. During the beginning of each players close combat phase, the sodomized model must take a toughness check. If the check fails, the model takes 1 wound and is still stunned. If the check passes then the model takes a 1 wound but is no longer stunned. As long as the fisted model is stunned, Tunam cannot do anything else in the game.

Cannot... Exalt... Enough... oh god xD

perhaps FNP 4+,

Probably around 150 points.

fister LOLZ

Hahahahahahahah!

Dude, I had to like laugh out for at least 10 minutes after reading the fister!

DUDE! If I were to face you like ever! I would allow you to play with him, no matter what!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448526.page
These guys are very... Different.

Meyer "Swampy" Marion

Fluff:
Born on the planet Chulak. An agri world that has a large swamp section to it. The Tau invaded and claimed the world for the greater good. Much of the local population didn't like this, and many of them went on to fight a long guerrilla war against them, Meyer(15 at the time) was among them. Over time and despite his age he proved himself to be a worth commander, and fighter. His ability to attack Tau/Gue'vesa, and disappear back into the swamps, lead to the creation of his nickname "Swampy" . After 3 years of fighting, the rebels were able to weaken Tau defenses enough so that the Imperium was able to reclaim the planet among them several Storm Trooper Companies. A few of the Storm Troopers higher ranking officers learned of what Meyer had done, saying that "While many a man turned traitor, this young lad held out for the glory of man and the Imperium and fought on." They granted his wish, and allowed him entrance into the Storm Trooper units, despite the fact that he had never Schola Progenium. He quickly rose through the rank, and eventually became leader of Storm Trooper Company himself.

Stats:
(WS:5 BS:5 S:3 T:4 W:3 I:3 Ld:10 A:3 Sv:4+/5+ invul)

Price: 125 points

Wargear: Hot Shot Lasgun, Hot Shot Las Pistol, Frag grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor field, Close quarters weapon

Special rules:
Storm Troopers: Meyer's squad must be given Carapace armor.
Move Through Cover: Meyer and his squad get the move through cover USR
Stealth: Meyer and his squad get the Stealth USR
Storm Trooper Company If taken Storm Trooper are now available as troop choices, but Veteran squads become unavailable.
Autonomy: He cannot issue orders.

Orkboy1 wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448526.page
These guys are very... Different.

They are also a Fantasy unit...
This is a 40k thread.

Makarov wrote:Meyer "Swampy" Marion

Fluff:
Born on the planet Chulak. An agri world that has a large swamp section to it. The Tau invaded and claimed the world for the greater good. Much of the local population didn't like this, and many of them went on to fight a long guerrilla war against them, Meyer(15 at the time) was among them. Over time and despite his age he proved himself to be a worth commander, and fighter. His ability to attack Tau/Gue'vesa, and disappear back into the swamps, lead to the creation of his nickname "Swampy" . After 3 years of fighting, the rebels were able to weaken Tau defenses enough so that the Imperium was able to reclaim the planet among them several Storm Trooper Companies. A few of the Storm Troopers higher ranking officers learned of what Meyer had done, saying that "While many a man turned traitor, this young lad held out for the glory of man and the Imperium and fought on." They granted his wish, and allowed him entrance into the Storm Trooper units, despite the fact that he had never Schola Progenium. He quickly rose through the rank, and eventually became leader of Storm Trooper Company himself.

Stats:
(WS:5 BS:5 S:3 T:4 W:3 I:3 Ld:10 A:3 Sv:4+/5+ invul)

Price: 125 points

Wargear: Hot Shot Lasgun, Hot Shot Las Pistol, Frag grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor field, Close quarters weapon

Special rules:
Storm Troopers: Meyer's squad must be given Carapace armor.
Move Through Cover: Meyer and his squad get the move through cover USR
Stealth: Meyer and his squad get the Stealth USR
Storm Trooper Company If taken Storm Trooper are now available as troop choices, but Veteran squads become unavailable.
Autonomy: He cannot issue orders.

At first glance, I'd say seeing as he fought as a guerilla in swamps, wouldn't camo vets work better than stormtroopers? I only ask as IIRC stormtroopers and veterans have the same stats just no hot-shot las.
Perhaps a rule saying that veterans can take hotshot for x points per model? (I'd work out x by working out points for veterans equipped as 10 stormtroopers minus hot-shot and then seeing the cost difference.

Vets can't deepstrike or have the special ops rule, tho.

Bobthehero wrote:Vets can't deepstrike or have the special ops rule, tho.

Also Storm Troopers can't take heavy weapons, but Vets can.

Captain Amit, 14th Company, Blood Angels Legion, 'Flesh Tearer'

205 points

Arkus Amit is a Captain of the 9th Legion almost as infamous as Kharn of the 12th. His prowess as a swordsman is only matched by his brutality and battle-rages. He was later selected by Raldoron to found a 2nd founding chapter, becoming the first Chapter Master of the Flesh Tearers.

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: artificer armour, frag and krak grenades, melta bombs, bolter, bolt pistol, iron halo

Flesh Tearer: A relic chainsword, Amit's namesake. This is a close combat weapon. It grants +4 to Strength and AP4. It has the Shred, Rending and Two-handed USRs.

Special Rules: Preferred Enemy (all), Independent Character, ATSKNF, Furious Charge

Bloody Handed: For every 5 enemy models in the combat, Amit gains +1 attack.

You need to put a cap on max extra attacks. Otherwise you charge an Ork Blob @ 4 base+1 on charge+6 for 30 Orks. 11 S8 AP4 hits w/ Shred? that is a bit OP, IMO

Maybe drop the shred as it is a bit OP. But otherwise not too bad.

Am I the only one who thinks +4 S is a bit ridiculous? That's the same S increase as a powerfist for most...

So he has Str 8. So does Gabriel Seth.

Deadshot wrote:So he has Str 8. So does Gabriel Seth.

True, my mistake. I thought it was only +2 Strength. I still think it's pretty high, but clearly it's not unheard of by GW's rules.

TERAFORCE CHAPTER MASTER ADAMAS (180 pts)
WS6-BS5-S4-T4-W3-I5-A4-LD10-SV3+

Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: The Fulgurite, The Impervious Storm
Special Rules: Independent Character, And They Shall Know No Fear, Combat Tactics, Inspiring Presence, Like Lightning

[The Fulgurite] Created when an electromagnetic storm struck and subsequently transformed a substance thought to be indestructible. To this day it still crackles with the lightning that made it.
Range: - / Str: +2 / AP: 2 / Melee, Master-Crafted, Disrupt (successful Invulnerable saves made against its attacks must be re-rolled)
[The Impervious Storm] When the protection of the chapter's leader became dire, a miracle of innovation took place. Both a finely-forged suit of Power Armour and the power generator of a Storm Shield were combined, providing armour which combines both mobility and protection.
Adamas' saving throw of 3+ is Invulnerable. In addition, he also benefits from the Eternal Warrior special rule.
[Like Lightning] Adamas benefits from the Counter-Attack and Crusader special rules.
[Inspiring Presence] This is the same as the so-called Warlord Trait. As such, Adamas cannot roll for further traits.

Note: Adamas has been my Chapter Master design for a while now. He embodies what his chapter stands for (Inspiring Presence) and is a fierce combatant in melee (Counter-Attack, A4) and persues his enemies with utter determination (Crusader). The Fulgurite is a very-powerful Relic Blade (AP2, Disrupt). Impervious Storm represents how very-difficult it is to get rid of him (T4, 3++, EW). I think 180 points is decent for such a character.

Well this one was not made as a unique character but a standard HQ choice for Dark Eldar.

Arena Grand Champion Points: 80
WS 5 BS 5 S 3 T 3(4) W 2 I 6 A 3 Ld 9 Sv 5+

Unit type:
Bike (Eldar Jetbike)

Wargear:
Wychsuit
Splinter pistol
Close combat weapon
Combat drugs
Reaver jetbike
Bladevanes

Special Rules:
Night Vision
Power from Pain
Skilled Rider
Champion of the Arena
Independent Character

Options:
May replace close combat weapon with:
-Venom Blade for 5 points
-Power weapon for 10 points
-Agoniser 20 points
May replace jetbike's splinter rifle with:
-Heat lance for 12 points
-Blaster for 15 points
May choose one of the following:
-Grav-talon for 10 points
-Cluster caltrops for 20 points

Champion of the Arena: Taking the Grand champion allows taking reaver units of at least 5 models as troop choices (and therefore makes those units scoring)

I am going to re-write my two previously posted Characters under 6th Ed:

Nemesor Tokahn of the Narkos Dynasty P=300
Type- Jump Infantry

WS 5
BS 5
S 5(7)
T 5
W 3
I 2
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/3++

Wargear:
Mindshackle Scarabs, Ghostwalk Mantel, Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter (saves included in profile), Resurection Orb, Voidstaff, Reality Thickener, Triarch Grav Pack.

Voidstaff: This is a double-headed warscythe that re-rolls hits & wounds, and has this shooting attack: R=12", S=7, AP=2, Spec=Assault 2. Strength bonus included in profile

Reality Thickener: Causes enemies within 2" to strike at I1, regardless of any items of Wargear, Special rules etc

Triarch Grav Pack: Makes him Jump Infantry

Special Rules
Reanimation Protocols, Ever-Living, IC, Fearless, Preffered Enemy (CSM), Triarch Favoured, Several steps Ahead.

Triarch Favoured: Due to being a favourite of the Triarch, there are always some Praetorians under his command. May have one unit of Triarch Praetorians as troops.

Several steps Ahead: Active only if Tokarn is your Warlord. Steals the Initiative on 4+, may reroll 2 reserve rolls per game.

And his Bodyguard:

Vargard Caldrek - 200pts

WS:5, BS:5, S:5(6), T:5, W:3, I:3, A:3(5), Ld:10, Sv: 2+\3++

Type: Jump Infantry (IC)

Special Rules: Reanimation Protocals, Ever Living, Blindsided, Fearless, Preffered Enemy (CSM), Furious Charge, Counter Attack

Blindsided: If Nemesor Tokarn or his unit is assaulted, Caldrek & his unit immediately piles in to the Nemesor's Combat, from behind the enemy unit. This counts as charging.

Wargear: Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter (Saves included in profile), Triarch Grav Pack (makes him Jump Infantry), Reality Thickener, Hyperstorm Blades.

Reality Thickener: Causes enemies within 2" to strike at I1, regardless of any items of Wargear, Special rules etc

Hyperstorm Blades: These have the following profile in the shooting phase:
R: 12" S:6 AP:2 Type: Assault 2
They also count as AP2 power weapons that grant +1 S and +2 A (Pair of CCWs, bonuses included in profile)

For 6th Ed

Equerry Kharn, Captain of the 8th, World Eaters Legion, The Betrayer

200 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS7 BS5 S5 T4 W3 I5 A5 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Artificer armour, iron halo, plasma pistol, frag and krak grenades

Gorechild: This is a weapon with the following profile: Range: - Strength: User +2 AP: 2 Special Rules: Melee, Armorbane

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Rage

Chosen of Khorne: Kharn's Deny the Witch save is 2+, conferred to any unit he joins.

Champion of Khorne: Kharn hits on a 2+ in close combat. This cannot be improved by any means.

Betrayer: Any of Kharn's misses in close combat strike the closest friendly models in the same combat.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:For 6th Ed

Equerry Kharn, Captain of the 8th, World Eaters Legion, The Betrayer

200 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS7 BS5 S5 T4 W3 I5 A5 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Artificer armour, iron halo, plasma pistol, frag and krak grenades

Gorechild: This is a weapon with the following profile: Range: - Strength: User +2 AP: 2 Special Rules: Melee, Armorbane

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Rage

Chosen of Khorne: Kharn's Deny the Witch save is 2+, conferred to any unit he joins.

Champion of Khorne: Kharn hits on a 2+ in close combat. This cannot be improved by any means.

Betrayer: Any of Kharn's misses in close combat strike the closest friendly models in the same combat.

My question is how much does the current kharn cost? I can't judge this until I know how much he cost

165 points is the current Kharn

Yeah I don't think its too bad in that case

Captain Kalus Ekaddon

210 points

Type: Jump Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: artificer armour, jump pack, frag and krak grenades, melta bombs, pair of lightning claws, iron halo

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless

Catulan Reaver Squad: 1 squad of 10 Raptors must be selected as Troops, and Kalus must join this unit. Once he has jinxed this unit, he may not leave it, and he loses the Independent Character special rule. This unit benefits from the Furious Charge special rule, and inflicts D3 Hammer of Wrath hits per model.

Mikael Ryk, Champion of Slaanesh

Points: 235

WS6 BS4 S4 T5 W3 I7 A3 Ld10 Sv3+

Type: Bike

Special Rules:
Fearless, Independent Character, Blessed of Slaanesh, Biker Lord

Blessed of Slaanesh: Mikael Ryk seeks perfection of all forms from perfection of his blade to the perfect ecstasy and his pursuit has caught the attention and blessing of Slaanesh. As such, Mikael has heightened reflexes significantly superior to that of his kin. Mikael benefits from a greatly increased initiative (already included in profile) and a 4+ Invulnerable save as he can quickly dodge incoming attacks.

Biker Lord: Mikael can take a squad of Chaos Bikers along with him as his personal retinue. This squad does not count against the FOC

Wargear:
Power Armor, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Chaos Bike with Twin linked Blastmaster (Toughness increase already included in profile and can only fire Varied Frequency), Blade of the Impeccable

Blade of the Impeccable: This is a Daemon blade of Slaanesh with which Mikael has made legendary with his talent to find and target weak points in his opponents armor. This blade also benefits from the Rending USR.

gaovinni wrote: T 3(4)

This does not exist in 6th edition. Reavers are T4, not T3(4). That being said, I like it. Makes Reavers even better in 6th.

McNinja wrote:

gaovinni wrote: T 3(4)

This does not exist in 6th edition. Reavers are T4, not T3(4). That being said, I like it. Makes Reavers even better in 6th.

Just copy pasted it from my files. Made it during 5th. Forgot to fix that.

God. This Forum has been going on for ages.


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200pts???

Well i do have one made up character

Master Walker
Space marine Chapter Master

Leader of the Dramon

His stats
WS 6
BS 5
S 5
T 5
W 3
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+ Aitficer Armour 4+ Iron Halo

Power weapon
Bolt Pistol
Dig Weapons

all the normal stuff the Chapter Master Has....

Special Rule
Mistake

when I use the Orbatl Bombartment I can choose not to use it. (thats if i Fail) or not
but i cannot use it again for that turn.
next turn i can use it.


He can take a Command Squard
(Because of the little amount of Veterans the army has)
the story is that this army is a new army. They only have 3 company’s.

Ezekyle Abaddon, Captain of the 1st, XVI Legio Luna Wolves

Type: Infantry (unique)

265 points

WS6 BS5 S5 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Terminator armour, power fist, twin-linked bolter, iron halo, frag and krak grenades

Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior, Fearless, It Will Not Die

Hulking Brute: Abaddon strikes at Initiative in the first round of combat. He has the Armorbane Special Rule

First Captain: Terminator and Terminator Assault Squads may be selected as Troops Choices.

Oh man I used to love making my own ICs during 4th ed.

I had a 'captain' I'd always use... Browning Highpower... he'd be kitted out with a combat shield and two plasma pistols (I counted it as a twin-linked plasma pistol).

Kol Bardar, Senior Assault Sergeant, 34th Company, XVII Legio Word Bearers

80 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A3 Ld9 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, boltgun, bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades, boarding shield, power fist

Special Rules: ATSKNF, Fearless

Boarding Veterans: 1 Assault Squad must select boarding shields for 5 points per model. They must remove their jump packs. Kol Bardar joins this unit, replacing the Sergeant. This unit gets the Relentless USR.


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Sarpedon, Chief Librarian and Chapter Master of the Soul Drinkers

285 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S5 T6 W5 I5 A6 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, psychic hood, bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades

Axe of Mercaeno: This is a master-crafted force axe. Sarpedon may re-roll any failed psychic check.

Special Rules: Extremely Bulky, Psychic Mastery Level 2, ATSKNF

The Hell: This is the only psychic power available to Sarpedon. It is a Level 2 Hex power. All enemy units within 24 inches must pass a Ld test on -2 or immediately make a Flee move.

Mutant: Sarpedon's body is heavily mutated. This is represented by stat changes already included, as well as the Feel No Pain and Eternal Warrior USRs. Sarpedon also causes Fear.

Arachnid: Sarpedon ignores Dangerous and Difficult Terrain entirely, and has the Fleet USR.

Options:

Sarpedon may replace the Axe of Mercaeno with the Soulspear for 100 points.

Soulspear: Range: - Strength: - AP: 1

The Soulspear always wounds on a 2+ in close combat, and inflicts Instant Death. Against vehicles, it inflicts an automatic penetrating hit per attack that hits.However, due to Sarpedon's lack of expertise on welding this weapon, he strikes at Initiative 1 with 3 attacks ONLY.

So that guy is OTT. Also, Too Horrible to Die isn't a thing, unless it's part of the BA codex. Is there a reason this guy is basically Mephiston?

McNinja wrote:So that guy is OTT. Also, Too Horrible to Die isn't a thing, unless it's part of the BA codex. Is there a reason this guy is basically Mephiston?

I think he means one of the new 6th USRs, though I don't havthe book, to hand, remember what it does, etc...

McNinja wrote:So that guy is OTT. Also, Too Horrible to Die isn't a thing, unless it's part of the BA codex. Is there a reason this guy is basically Mephiston?

Read some of the soul drinker novels, then you'll get why he's so frickin tough. Though I'll even agree he is somewhat OTT compared to what I'd imagine him to be.

Ovion wrote:

McNinja wrote:So that guy is OTT. Also, Too Horrible to Die isn't a thing, unless it's part of the BA codex. Is there a reason this guy is basically Mephiston?

I think he means one of the new 6th USRs, though I don't havthe book, to hand, remember what it does, etc...

I'm fairly certain he means It Will Not Die, but still.

McNinja wrote:

Ovion wrote:

McNinja wrote:So that guy is OTT. Also, Too Horrible to Die isn't a thing, unless it's part of the BA codex. Is there a reason this guy is basically Mephiston?

I think he means one of the new 6th USRs, though I don't havthe book, to hand, remember what it does, etc...

I'm fairly certain he means It Will Not Die, but still.

Lol whoops I indeed meant It will not die, I've been playing far too much Skaven recently
but yeah, read the Soul Drinkers novels, the guy is freaking unkillable

Well, I stand both correct and corrected. Is Extremely Bulky correct? Jump Units and Grotesques are only Bulky, and those things are big.

He is pretty huge
maybe just bulky then

Yeah he's pretty stinkin' big as I understand him, I think Extremely Bulky is good. Also I'd bump up his toughness in exchange for one strength personally. I haven't read the full series but I read the first and I felt like he was tougher than he was strong, no?

felixander wrote:Yeah he's pretty stinkin' big as I understand him, I think Extremely Bulky is good. Also I'd bump up his toughness in exchange for one strength personally. I haven't read the full series but I read the first and I felt like he was tougher than he was strong, no?

Same here, frankly I'd have his base statline like so:

WS6 BS5 S5 T6 W5 I5 A5 Ld10 Sv3+

Just some minor changes really, also, I'd think I'd like to see something reflecting his ability to book it. Maybe fleet or the ability to ignore Difficulty terrain (him and his spider legs being pretty agile and hoppy)

Edited, gave him the option of packing the Soulspear

Just so you know, you could easily just give the weapon the Fleshbane, Instant Death, and Unwieldy rules, then throwing in the bit about the swanky only-penetrating hits and only 3 attacks.

Hrontore Sesha the Bringer of Death ()
Ws= 6 BS= 4 S= 5 T= 4(5) W= 4 I= 5 A= 4 LD= 10 Sv=2+

Special rules
• Independent Character
• And they shall know no fear
• Combat tactics
• Eternal warrior
• It will not Die
• Orbital Bombardment

War gear
• Artificer armour
• Death Bringer- Master crafted Power scythe(Power Axe,flesh bane,Unweildly)(ideas for DMG of weapon?)
1. on a roll of 6 to hit add +1 A per 6 rolled
• Master crafted Bolter w/ Aux grenade Launcher (Stalker pattern except 1 shot at 36" 2 shots at 24"
• Michaels Pendant-convers a 4+ invulnerale save
• Hover Bike(jetbike, 2 twin liked bolters) +50Pts

Leader of my homebrew chapter. C&C. ideas for points cost? also he has a brother(techmarine)wanted to try to get special effects if they're together but idk where to start for the brother.
If you need any background /fluff jus ask. im tryna make him legit and not OP.

Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:Hrontore Sesha the Bringer of Death ()
Ws= 6 BS= 4 S= 5 T= 4(5) W= 4 I= 5 A= 4 LD= 10 Sv=2+

Special rules
• Independent Character
• And they shall know no fear
• Combat tactics
• Eternal warrior
• It will not Die
• Orbital Bombardment

War gear
• Artificer armour
• Death Bringer- Master crafted Power scythe(Power Axe,flesh bane,Unweildly)(ideas for DMG of weapon?)
1. on a roll of 6 to hit add +1 A per 6 rolled
• Master crafted Bolter w/ Aux grenade Launcher (Stalker pattern except 1 shot at 36" 2 shots at 24"
• Michaels Pendant-convers a 4+ invulnerale save
• Hover Bike(jetbike, 2 twin liked bolters) +50Pts

Leader of my homebrew chapter. C&C. ideas for points cost? also he has a brother(techmarine)wanted to try to get special effects if they're together but idk where to start for the brother.
If you need any background /fluff jus ask. im tryna make him legit and not OP.

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245 points. Melee weapon is almost too powerful. Give him Frag/Krak grenades and a bolt pistol. Why does he have -1 BS from another SM Chapter Master when he has a Stalker Pattern bolter?

Fluffwise don't SMs cut all ties to their previous lives and only consider their battle brothers to be "family"? Plus given the rigorous testing to become a Space marine it's unlikely that the two brothers would both survive, right?

Maybe someone with my SM Fluff know-it-all will be able to help validate this.

felixander wrote:

Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:Hrontore Sesha the Bringer of Death ()
Ws= 6 BS= 4 S= 5 T= 4(5) W= 4 I= 5 A= 4 LD= 10 Sv=2+

Special rules
• Independent Character
• And they shall know no fear
• Combat tactics
• Eternal warrior
• It will not Die
• Orbital Bombardment

War gear
• Artificer armour
• Death Bringer- Master crafted Power scythe(Power Axe,flesh bane,Unweildly)(ideas for DMG of weapon?)
1. on a roll of 6 to hit add +1 A per 6 rolled
• Master crafted Bolter w/ Aux grenade Launcher (Stalker pattern except 1 shot at 36" 2 shots at 24"
• Michaels Pendant-convers a 4+ invulnerale save
• Hover Bike(jetbike, 2 twin liked bolters) +50Pts

Leader of my homebrew chapter. C&C. ideas for points cost? also he has a brother(techmarine)wanted to try to get special effects if they're together but idk where to start for the brother.
If you need any background /fluff jus ask. im tryna make him legit and not OP.

I typed up a long page and then my browser crashed. here's the short version:

245 points. Melee weapon is almost too powerful. Give him Frag/Krak grenades and a bolt pistol. Why does he have -1 BS from another SM Chapter Master when he has a Stalker Pattern bolter?

Fluffwise don't SMs cut all ties to their previous lives and only consider their battle brothers to be "family"? Plus given the rigorous testing to become a Space marine it's unlikely that the two brothers would both survive, right?

Maybe someone with my SM Fluff know-it-all will be able to help validate this.

what makes the weapon op in your opinion?are you referring to the on a 6 pick up an extra attack per? aren't there weapons that do this already like a chaos lord weapon IIRC.i should also mention that the materials the weapon is made out of is in no means normal
frag and krak shall be added per standard as all SM can take them
the 4 BS is because he leaed more towards close combat as a scout and IIRC scouts are BS 3 so +1 for the stalker gives him BS4

i know the chaces of both making it is slim.thats what make sit interesting right? i guess i could also play it as the two got close while in their original chapter.
thanks for the critique keep it comming

It's unlikely, but possible, though they would not have that much more of a bond than any other battle-brother. Perhaps slightly more, but not much. If they were guardsmen, they would, but Space Marines spend too much time with everyone to have one single close friend, unless they are higher up in power. A captain could be closer to one other captain than the rest, but I don't see a battle-brother being close to one than another.

Also, T4(5) doesn't exist in 6th edition. It's T5. The toughness is permanent.


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Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
what makes the weapon op in your opinion?are you referring to the on a 6 pick up an extra attack per? aren't there weapons that do this already like a chaos lord weapon IIRC.i should also mention that the materials the weapon is made out of is in no means normal
frag and krak shall be added per standard as all SM can take them
the 4 BS is because he leaed more towards close combat as a scout and IIRC scouts are BS 3 so +1 for the stalker gives him BS4

i know the chaces of both making it is slim.thats what make sit interesting right? i guess i could also play it as the two got close while in their original chapter.
thanks for the critique keep it comming

The weapon is OP because it is AP2 and wounds on a 2+. That's pretty big, even if he is hitting at I1, and combined with his extra attacks makes it almost OP (almost, not quite,as Thunder Hammers will wound on 2s 90% of the time and are AP2). He basically has a Thunder hammer, but can have a crapton of attacks. It's what, 9 attacks on the charge if he gets all sixes? Also, can the hits get more hits? If I roll a 6, and I roll to hit for the extra attack, and I get another six, do I get another attack? Basically is it a Blood Talon dreadnought or Drazhar-like ability?

McNinja wrote:It's unlikely, but possible, though they would not have that much more of a bond than any other battle-brother. Perhaps slightly more, but not much. If they were guardsmen, they would, but Space Marines spend too much time with everyone to have one single close friend, unless they are higher up in power. A captain could be closer to one other captain than the rest, but I don't see a battle-brother being close to one than another.

Also, T4(5) doesn't exist in 6th edition. It's T5. The toughness is permanent.
the T 5 is for when hes on his bike

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Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
what makes the weapon op in your opinion?are you referring to the on a 6 pick up an extra attack per? aren't there weapons that do this already like a chaos lord weapon IIRC.i should also mention that the materials the weapon is made out of is in no means normal
frag and krak shall be added per standard as all SM can take them
the 4 BS is because he leaed more towards close combat as a scout and IIRC scouts are BS 3 so +1 for the stalker gives him BS4

i know the chaces of both making it is slim.thats what make sit interesting right? i guess i could also play it as the two got close while in their original chapter.
thanks for the critique keep it comming

The weapon is OP because it is AP2 and wounds on a 2+. That's pretty big, even if he is hitting at I1, and combined with his extra attacks makes it almost OP (almost, not quite,as Thunder Hammers will wound on 2s 90% of the time and are AP2). He basically has a Thunder hammer, but can have a crapton of attacks. It's what, 9 attacks on the charge if he gets all sixes? Also, can the hits get more hits? If I roll a 6, and I roll to hit for the extra attack, and I get another six, do I get another attack? Basically is it a Blood Talon dreadnought or Drazhar-like ability?

Yea that was how it was as like the blood talon or drazhar ability. and yes if he keeps on rolling sixes then ithey would sttill accumulate. im starting to see with the fleshbane thing kinda op but if i drop that would everything be in order or would a flat +D3 attacks since its an agelic weapon he acquired/gifted be a better fit. or maybe since its a death scythe then insta death on sixes?

i was in that range for points also. how do people get the cost jus a side question.

My beef with it is the mixture of the Fleshbane and extra attacks. Being able to throw down that much hate on MCs is pretty intense... I would remove Fleshbane. You're already hitting at S7!

He'll strike at S 6 power axes only add +1 to strength in 6th. Flesh bane will be dropped as trying a play test with him showeed that was really bad and as stated kind of op. but does everything else seem in order?

Honestly, I think the best solution for his scythe would be to make it in line with what Tesla does for Necron shooting. I also agree with dropping Fleshbane

Deathbringer
S +1, AP2, Range -, Unwieldly, Master Crafted, Reaper*

Reaper*: When rolling to hit with this weapon, any rolls of a 6 cause 2 hits instead of one. This additional hit may be allocated to any model that could be wounded by this weapon.

McNinja wrote:It's unlikely, but possible, though they would not have that much more of a bond than any other battle-brother. Perhaps slightly more, but not much. If they were guardsmen, they would, but Space Marines spend too much time with everyone to have one single close friend, unless they are higher up in power. A captain could be closer to one other captain than the rest, but I don't see a battle-brother being close to one than another.

im sorry i should have stated the current character under Review is my Chapter Master. and his Brother is Probably going to be tweaked off the MOTF Statline. so yes they are up there in the chain of command


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RegalPhantom wrote:Honestly, I think the best solution for his scythe would be to make it in line with what Tesla does for Necron shooting. I also agree with dropping Fleshbane

Deathbringer
S +1, AP2, Range -, Unwieldly, Master Crafted, Reaper*

Reaper*: When rolling to hit with this weapon, any rolls of a 6 cause 2 hits instead of one. This additional hit may be allocated to any model that could be wounded by this weapon.

i like that idea. i coveys what im trying to do. thanks for that Regal.

Kirby the Squig 55pts

WS4 BS0 S5 T5 W3 I2 A2 Ld7 Sv4+

Fearless, Fear, Smash

Mouthy: Kirby's attacks are at AP3. Against models smaller than his mouth he always hits on a 4+.

Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:

McNinja wrote:It's unlikely, but possible, though they would not have that much more of a bond than any other battle-brother. Perhaps slightly more, but not much. If they were guardsmen, they would, but Space Marines spend too much time with everyone to have one single close friend, unless they are higher up in power. A captain could be closer to one other captain than the rest, but I don't see a battle-brother being close to one than another.

im sorry i should have stated the current character under Review is my Chapter Master. and his Brother is Probably going to be tweaked off the MOTF Statline. so yes they are up there in the chain of command

It's all good.

Wedge Talon, Chapter Master of the Hunter Eagles, 270pts (is this enough?)
WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 4
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character, Unique)

Special Rules:
ATSKNF
The Great Loss
Commander of the Skies
The High-Flying Eye
Aerial Attack
Independent Character
Orbital Bombardment
Aerial Tactics

The Great Loss:
Wedge Talon has the Prefered Enemy: Chaos, Hatred: Chaos Space Marines and Crusader rules. His accompaning unit also gain benefit from the crusader rule while Wedge is alive/acompanying them.
The High-Flying Eye: Wedge Talon may chose to use the skyfire rule when shooting
Aerial Attack:
Wedge Talon and his unit are able to assault the turn they deep strike. If so they may not shoot and count as moving 12" for the purposes of charging. To represent how hard it is to perform such an attack, no extra attacks are gained from charging nor from having 2 or more non-speacialist close melee weapons.
Aerial Tactics:
Wedge Talon (and any jump unit he is attached to) only scatter D6" when deep striking. In addition, Wedge and his unit, instead of moving normally in the movement phase, may instead elect to go into ongoing reserves. When they return the MUST deep strike. Wedge Talon must always be your warlord if included as part of the primary attachement and automatically has the 'Coordinated Assault' command trait.
Commander of the Skies:
Assault Marines are troop choices and Vanguard Veterans are scoring units.

Wargear:
Artificer Armour
Auxillary Grenade Launcher
Iron Halo
The Eagle's Talons
This is a twin pair of lightning claws with the following profile:
range - str +1 ap 3 type shred ,melee, slice*, specialist weapon
Note, Wedge Talon gets the +1 attack as they are a PAIR,
*Slice, opponent must re-roll successful armour saves taken against this weapon

Options:
May be accompainied by up to 3 Calthalian Hunter Eagles.....15pts per Calthalian Hunter Eagle
Calthalian Hunter Eagles:
Wedge Talon is normally accompanied by up to 3 of the finest Calthalian Hunter Eagles. He gains +1 I as long as 1 Hunter Eagle is alive. In addition, the Calthalian Hunter Eagles have their own stats, listed below:

Calthalian Hunter Eagle
WS 4
BS 1
S 3
T 3
W 1
I 5
A 3
Ld 9
Sv -

Unit Type: Jump Beast

Special Rules:
Quick Reflexs:
Confers a 5+ invunerable save.
Eagle's Eye:
All attacks made by Calthalian Hunter Eagles are Precision Strikes
Companion:
Calthalian Hunter Eagles DO NOT interfer with the 'Independent Character' rule, e.g. an Independant Character can still join a unit if accompanied by a model with this rule.

Wargear:
Sharp Talons:
range - str user ap 6 type shred

Note: Calthalian Hunter Eagles DO NOT interfer with the 'Independent Character' rule Wedge Talon has, he may still join other units even when accompanied by them.

Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:i was in that range for points also. how do people get the cost jus a side question.

To quote myself again for ease here you go - this is how I do it:

Ovion wrote:It's a good amount of comparison and experience in the end.

When I create a character I'll first look at similar characters, I'll price things according to the cost of units / characters / wargear in the relevant codex.
If all else fails I'll generally cost it at 10pts base per stat point, wargear or rule, and then modify accordingly.

It helps to work from the 'base' version of the character / unit (if available). Ensure it is never cheaper than running its 'standard' equivalent and don't do anything too absurd or gamebreaking.

I generally reccomend rounding up, and that overcosting is far better than undercosting, as if someone looks at your unit and goes 'yeah, that's overpriced' or 'It costs that much and only does that?' They're going to let you use it.

Or, to look at it from the other side - if someone else put your unit down infront of you, said 'these are the rules, can I use it?' what would you say? (Realisticly.)

Additionally - come up with decent names. If it and its gear and rules are named well, people are that much more likely to accept it. It's not a huge factor, but I'm far more likely to accept 'Julian Lestat, 4th Lord of the Knights Errant' with his elegant singing swords to 'Super Marine God Man' with his pwnhammer.

Ovion wrote:And for a more indepth 'guide': The easiest way is to select the closest thing that already exists, then 'adjusting' the points like so:
Unit Type: +/-10pts depending on whether it's shifted from infantry to something better, or from something better to infantry, WS, BS, S, T, W, I, A- +/- 10pts per point of difference Ld- +/- 5pts per point of difference, Sv- +/- 10pts per point of difference.
Wargear:
Step 1: Cost all the wargear the base character has, that your character doesn't have, and subtract it.
Step 2: Cost all the new / different wargear your character has, and add it. Standard Wargear, use at the standard cost of the closest unit to yours (another HQ choice, an Elites choice etc.) If that wargear is a modified base, go with base cost +5pts per change made. (You can also give a guestimate up and down based on negatives / if it seems overcosted.)
Step 3: Any new and unique wargear, attempt to cost using the closest existing gear as a base, then adjusting based on differences.

Special Rules:
Step 1: Cost all the special the base character has, that your character doesn't have, and subtract it.
Step 2: Cost all the new / different special rules your character has, and add it. Guesstimate and use at the standard cost of the closest unit to yours (another HQ choice, an Elites choice etc.) If that special rule is a modified base, go with base cost +5pts per change made. (You can also give a guestimate up and down based on negatives / if it seems overcosted.)
Step 3: Any new and unique rules, attempt to cost using the closest existing rule as a base, then adjusting based on differences.

Options:
Price accordingly.

When done add 10% of the current cost / 10pts (whichevers lower.) as a 'anything you missed tax' then round up to the nearest 5 or 10 pts so it doesn't end up something silly like 173, or 228.

Always err on the side of Overcosted if you're in doubt, it'll lead to people being more accpting of it.
Furthermore, always ensure you've spelt your charcater properly. And try to lay it out nicely / give things cool names.
i.e. - Wolf God Hammer sounds a bit crap, try and do something interesting, like Borealis Thunder Hammer.

Once you've done all this, forget this unit is your baby, that you've just spent ages carefully crafting the bugger, sit back and think like your opponent, objectively look at the unit, its stats, rules and cost, and think 'If someone else had made this, would I be happy to let them use it and play against it?'
If the answer is YES, put it up for review / playtest it, etc - there may have been somethign you missed / an unforseen effect / synergy that makes things a bit overpowered.
Adjust up or down accordingly dependant on performance (or leave it as is and call it finished if it seems to play fine.)

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Wedge Talon, Chapter Master of the Hunter Eagles, 210pts (is this enough?)

Spoiler:

WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 4
A 6
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character, Unique)

Special Rules:
ATSKNF
The Great Loss
Accurate Desent
The High-Flying Eye
Ariel Attack
Independent Character

The Great Loss:
Wedge Talon has the Prefered Enemy: Chaos, Hatred: Chaos Space Marines and Crusader rules. His accompaning unit also gain benefit from the crusader rule while Wedge is alive/acompanying them.
Accurate Desent:
Wedge Talon (and his unit) only scatter D6" when deep striking
The High-Flying Eye: Wedge Talon re-rolls all rolls to hit when shooting. In addition, he and his unit can choose to use the skyfire rule in their shooting phase.
Ariel Attack:
Wedge Talon and his unit are able to assault the turn they deep strike. As well as that, Wedge and his unit, instead of moving normally in the movement phase, may instead elect to go into ongoing reserves. When they return the MUST deep strike. Wedge Talon must always be your warlord if included as part of the primary attachement and automatically has the 'Coordinated Assault' command trait. Assault Marines are troop choices and Vanguard Veterans are scoring units.
Orbital Bombardment

Wargear:
Power Armour
Auxillary Grenade Launcher
Iron Halo
The Eagle's Talons
This is a twin pair of lightning claws with the following profile:
range - str +1 ap 2 type shred melee, specialist weapon*
Note, Wedge Talon gets the +1 attack as they are a PAIR,
Calthalian Hunter Eagles:
Wedge Talon is accompanied by 3 of the finest Calthalian Hunter Eagles. He gains +1 I as long as 1 Hunter Eagle is alive. In addition, the Calthalian Hunter Eagles have their own stats, listed below:

Calthalian Hunter Eagle
WS 4
BS 1
S 3
T 3
W 1
I 5
A 3
Ld 9
Sv -

Unit Type: Jump Beast

Special Rules:
Quick Reflexs:
Confers a 5+ invunerable save.
Stubborn
Eagle's Eye:
All attacks made by Calthalian Hunter Eagles are Precision Strikes

Wargear:
Sharp Talons:
range - str user ap 6 type shred

Note: Calthalian Hunter Eagles DO NOT interfer with the 'Independent Character' rule Wedge Talon has, he may still join other units even when accompanied by them.

Letting any unit he joins assault after deep striking is pretty crazy... You almost never see it in current rules and even so it's very limited (Vanguard Vets but they CAN"T be joined by an IC and are very expensive as well as Zagstruck (orks) which costs a lot, can only have 1 other power weapon in the squad, he's an upgrade only character, and guys die on the assault! Plus they scatter full 2d6 =P). I know having a drop army is annoying that you come in and have to wait, but having the ability to gear up ANY squad you want and have such a precise strike followed by a charge is a little over the top to me. I know BA Vanguard Vets can do that (as stated earlier) but they are 45 points each with jump pack/Power weapon for a reason. As written you can attach him to a 10 man Assault Terminator Squad and have them DS 0-6" and then assault. I wouldn't let you play any character with that rule without it being very seriously balanced. Plus it makes the game less of a strategy game for you and more of a "HA I KILL EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING" game. Moving on...

Stat line says he has 2+ SV but has Power Armor. He should have Artificer armor, yeah? (Minor I know haha)

The High-Flying Eye: Wedge Talon re-rolls all rolls to hit when shooting. In addition, he and his unit can choose to use the skyfire rule in their shooting phase.

Um I'm assuming you mean "all failed to hit rolls when shooting", yes? This seems REALLY powerful for being a melee oriented character...
I feel like you should limit Skyfire to Assault weapons if you have to keep it, as written he can jump into a Dev squad (and then assault out of it next turn of course) and suddenly he's REALLY powerful in a role he seems like he wasn't intended to fill.

His melee weapons are VERY good, they've limited AP2 melee weapons to almost exclusively Unwieldy weapons and this guy just says that! haha I wouldn't say quite over powered, but it gets close!

Does he have Frag/Krak grenades? You Marines forget how lucky you are to have those on everything haha

How much are the eagles?

I would cost him at 310 points WITHOUT the ability to charge after Deep Strike (Make eagles a 0-3 choice and cost them separately). Math:



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RegalPhantom wrote:Honestly, I think the best solution for his scythe would be to make it in line with what Tesla does for Necron shooting. I also agree with dropping Fleshbane

Deathbringer
S +1, AP2, Range -, Unwieldly, Master Crafted, Reaper*

Reaper*: When rolling to hit with this weapon, any rolls of a 6 cause 2 hits instead of one. This additional hit may be allocated to any model that could be wounded by this weapon.

Uh, so we all say it's over powered and then you want to give him an extra hit on a 6 and make them automatic hits? Tesla has that because it's an AP- shooting attack and it's only powerful because it gets extra hits. Adding an extra HIT on a power axe is even more powerful than it was originally and then you make it TWO extra hits. Add him to the list of characters I wouldn't even consider playing. He was better off as he was before without fleshbane

Hellistarchus, the Red Reaper, Sorcerer-Lord of the Sons of Horus

260 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Artificer armour, Iron Halo, psychic hood, bolter, frag and krak grenades

The Red Blades: This is a matched set of falchions. It is a force weapon that is AP2. It has the Paired Weapons USR.

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Furious Charge, Psyker: Mastery Level 2.

Murderous Assault: For every unsaved wound inflicted in the immediately previous assault phase, Hellistarchus gains 1 additional attack.

Death to the False Emperor!: May be activated at any point once per game. For the rest of that turn, all friendly units within 12 of Hellistarchus, including himself, gain +D3 attacks for charging rather than +1.

Any feedback on the squig?

Made some changes to Wedge Talon

Re-tooled for sixth. Also, it is 4 am and if the fluff seems... odd, that's why.

Pyralis Agis, Chapter Master of the Forge Knights.............................................150 points
A naturally gifted marksman and self-titled “professional AdMech pisser-offer,” Pyralis Agis made waves after becoming the Chapter Master of the Forge Knights, doing everything from building a personal weapon from scratch to punching out an Inquisitor for, well, being an Inquisitor.

Pyralis, and the Forge Knights, fight for the survival of humanity, and will do almost anything to protect and evacuate civilians, much to the chagrin of a few other Chapters.

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WS:5 BS:8 S:4 T:4 W:3 I:5 A:3 Ld:10 Sv:3+
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FOC: Pyralis is an HQ choice for Codex: Space Marines
Composition: 1 (Unique)
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear:
Power Armor
Advanced Camo Cloak: This cloak grants Pyralis the Shrouded special rule.
Kraken Pattern Modular Sniper Rifle: This weapon uses an internal block of metal as an ammunition source, slicing off tiny bits and firing them using a gravitic impeller system. This is weapon uses the following profile:
R:36” S:6 AP:3 Heavy 1, Rending, Pinning

Once per shooting phase, Pyralis may use one of the following weapon systems. Each system can only be used once per game:
-Anti-Armor System: Increases the weapon’s AP to AP2, but the weapon loses Rending.
-Range System: Increases the weapon’s range to 48”.
-Suppression System: Increases shots to Heavy 3, but the weapon becomes AP6 instead of AP3.

Special Rules:
Combat Tactics
Chapter Tactics: If you include Pyralis in your army, all of the units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all Scout, Sternguard, and Tactical units may take Camo Cloaks for +3 points per model and Stalker Pattern Bolters for +3 points per model.
And They Shall Know No Fear
Scout
Infiltrate
Night Vision
Utterly Precise: If Pyralis rolls a 6 to hit (on the original roll, not any re-roll), then the weapon loses Rending but becomes S7 AP 2 when rolling to wound.

The only thing I'm not too sure about is Utterly Precise. I don't know if it should be as is, or Rend on a 4/5+, or if it should be treated as if two shots hit (so roll for two wounds).

Chief Librarian Kleitus, Dark Hunters Chapter

for C:SM

200 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: frag and krak grenades, storm bolter

Aegis armour: This is artificer armour that includes a psychic hood. Kleitus' Deny the Witch rolls are passed on a 3+, and he also has a 5+ invulnerable save, increased to 4+ against psychic powers.

Force Gauntlet: This unusual force weapon can be used with either of the following profiles, pick one for each round of combat:

Claw: Range Melee Strength as User AP 3 Specialist Weapon Shred Force

Fist: Range Melee Strength User x 2 AP 2 Specialist Weapon Force

Special Rules: Independent Character, Psyker: Mastery Level 2, ATSKNF

Combat psyker: Kleitus always has the Hammerhand psychic power as detailed in C:GK, as well as 1 other power generated either from C:SM or the rulebook.

Khaldun the Subjugator
Type Jump Infantry (unique) HQ 200 Points
WS: 5
BS: 4
S: 5
T: 6
W: 3
I: 2
A: 3
Ld: 10
SV: 2+/3++

Wargear: Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Phase shifter (included in profile), Sempiternal weave(included in profile).
Special Rules: Ever-Living
Independent Character
Preferred Enemy (Everything!)
Reanimation Protocols
Vicious phase attacks. Rending on a roll of 5+. Due to the ruthless nature of Khaldun he has focused on the timing of phasing in and out to achieve maximum carnage.
Wraith-host. When attached to a squad of Canoptek Wraiths one member of that squad gains free whip coils as well as another piece of available wargear.
Subjugation: If Khaldun is part of a assault that ends in a drawn combat (both sides must have at least one unsaved wound) 1 d6 is rolled on a roll of 3 or higher the opponent acts as if it has lost combat by 3 wounds i.e -3 to Ld.

Khaldun was one of the first to achieve Lordship after becoming a Destroyer. His lust for blood and destruction could never be sated. During the battle of Nhakti he was commisioned to watch over some battle tuned canoptek wraiths, a demeaning labor assigned to him by an overly pompous nemesor. But through this task Khaldun learned to appreciate the savagery that only wraiths could display. After returning triumphant, Khaldun tracked down a cryptek that delighted in augmentation and demanded to be rid of the repulsor platform and have the body of a wraith at his command. The work took decades but now there is a new terror rising, Khaldun the first of the Canoptek Lords.

Iz a Gud Squig.

the_ferrett wrote:Kirby the Squig 55pts

WS4 BS0 S5 T5 W3 I2 A2 Ld7 Sv4+

Fearless, Fear, Smash

Mouthy: Kirby's attacks are at AP3. Against models smaller than his mouth he always hits on a 4+.

Is he a Monstrous Creature or a Beast or what?
Once clarified I think he's good!

Chapter Master Halestan of The Purgators- 180pts

WS-6 Bs-5 S-4 T-4 W-3 I-5 A-4 LD-10 SV-2+3++

Wargear: Terminator Armour, Storm Shield, Bane Of The Heirophant

Bane Of the Heirophant: Halestan killed a towering Bio-Titan with this massive chainblade, and its razor-sharp edges are just as keen against smaller foes. It uses the following profile:
S-X2, AP-2, Armourbane, Unwieldy

Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Independent Character, Opportunistic

Opportunistic: Halestan knows the weak points of his enemies and knows when to attack and when to defend. He has the Counter-Attack and Acute Senses special rules.

Guren the Sorrowful (The crazed son of Father Nurgle)

Pts- 225
WS- 5
BS-4
S-4
T-5
W-3
I-3
A-2
Ld-10
Sv-2+

Special Rules

Independant character
Mark of Nurgle
Feel No Pain
Fearless
Eternal Warrior
Tears of Pestilence (Gurens sorrow for those that have not embraced the love of Father Nurgle is so great that he constantly sheds tears of rancid blood. Models in base contact with Guren during his initiative step suffer a str3, ap-, 4+ poisoned, automatic hit)
Born of Plagues (So intense is his love for his adopted father that Guren has subjected himself to many living warp diseases. Should he die leave him on the battlefield. All non follower of Nurgle units ending their movement within 6” suffers d6 str1 ap- 4+ poisoned hits due to the viruses that come spilling forth.)
Brothers of Nurgle (Guren hates to see those that have embraced the love of nurgle hurt therefore he cannot pass on wounds with look out sir to any follower of nurgle.)

Equipment
Plauged Fist (Gurens swollen fist has fused with the powerfist on his arm. It is a Powerfist with 4+ poison)
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
Defensive Grenades
plague sword
Storm Bolter
Terminator Armor

Of all the marines that have fallen to the will of Nurgle. Few have entered the fanaticism of Guren. Guren believes Nurgle to be his true father and his old life a lie where he was shown the terror of a world without Nurgles patriarchal love. He was a member of the Death Guard but was left for dead on a xenos planet during the great crusade. He considered his abandonment an incredible betrayal. He buried himself in sorrow until he was found by a daemon of Nurgle, they fought for several days until Guren slew the demon but its noxious blood soaked into his Powerfist corrupting him with dark warp energies. Nurgle saw the potential strength in Guren and slowly twisted him to servitude. Guren having lost his old brotherhood and fearing that his infectious arm would be his end fully dedicated himself to Nurgles cause wishing to spread Nurgle’s gifts to the entire galaxy.

Seraph the Sorrowful, Former Chapter Master of the Angels Sanguine
Seraph was Master of the Angels Sanguine until M41 89. His reckless and aggressive nature led the Angels into an unwinnable fight against an entire Word Bearers crusade in the Ghoul Stars, losing nearly 4 companies in the process. In shame, he resigned his commission and disappeared, journeying into the Great Eye in search for redemption.

230 points

Type: Jump Infantry (unique)

WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I6 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Artificer armour, jump pack, inferno pistol, frag and krak grenades

Sorrow: When Seraph was banished, he left behind the Master's hereditary blade, Traitorsbane. He was, however, allowed to forge for himself another weapon. He created a massive great sword in the tradition of ancient Terran questing knights. This is a melee weapon with the following profile: Strength: user + 4 AP: 2 Unwieldy Two-handed

Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Feel No Pain, Furious Charge, Rage, Fearless

Redemption: Seraph seeks out enemy champions, hoping to find redemption in the eyes of his brethren. He must always issue or accept a challenge.

felixander wrote:

the_ferrett wrote:Kirby the Squig 55pts

WS4 BS0 S5 T5 W3 I2 A2 Ld7 Sv4+

Fearless, Fear, Smash

Mouthy: Kirby's attacks are at AP3. Against models smaller than his mouth he always hits on a 4+.

Is he a Monstrous Creature or a Beast or what?
Once clarified I think he's good!

Infantry or Beast.
MC is a little too powerful for him. He's on the same base as the Chaos spawn.

Super mario, nuff said...

Luc Sedirae, Captain, 13th Company, XVI Legio Astartes 'Sons of Horus'

175 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I6 A3 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, bolt pistol, bolter, frag and krak grenades, iron halo, pair of lightning claws

Special Rules: Independent Character, ATSKNF

First to the fray: Sedirae is a glory hound, always first to recklessly charge into combat. He has the Rage, Furious Charge USRs, conferred to any squad he joins. He must always issue or accept challenges, also he and his squad must always attempt a charge if they are within legal charge range of an enemy squad.

Options:

Sedirae may purchase a jump pack for 30 points.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:Luc Sedirae, Captain, 13th Company, XVI Legio Astartes 'Sons of Horus'

175 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I6 A3 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, bolt pistol, bolter, frag and krak grenades, iron halo, pair of lightning claws

Special Rules: Independent Character, ATSKNF

First to the fray: Sedirae is a glory hound, always first to recklessly charge into combat. He has the Rage, Furious Charge USRs, conferred to any squad he joins. He must always issue or accept challenges, also he and his squad must always attempt a charge if they are within legal charge range of an enemy squad.

Options:

Sedirae may purchase a jump pack for 30 points.

Just one thing. How does he use the bolt pistol and the bolter if he has a pair of lightning claws?

gaovinni wrote:

CalasTyphon216 wrote:Luc Sedirae, Captain, 13th Company, XVI Legio Astartes 'Sons of Horus'

175 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I6 A3 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, bolt pistol, bolter, frag and krak grenades, iron halo, pair of lightning claws

Special Rules: Independent Character, ATSKNF

First to the fray: Sedirae is a glory hound, always first to recklessly charge into combat. He has the Rage, Furious Charge USRs, conferred to any squad he joins. He must always issue or accept challenges, also he and his squad must always attempt a charge if they are within legal charge range of an enemy squad.

Options:

Sedirae may purchase a jump pack for 30 points.

Just one thing. How does he use the bolt pistol and the bolter if he has a pair of lightning claws?

Built in perhaps? Anyway, CSM Lords can do something similar so I wouldn't give him too much flak.

Techlord Agamemnon

Master of the continent-spanning forges of the Iron Hands Legion, the creations of Lord Agamemnon contributed greatly to the Imperial forces during the Great Crusade, including the MkII Plasma Core, the Ultima guidance system and the CV179 Ramjet, which is still used in the Marauder Destroyer aircraft.
As the Traitor Leigions began to close in on the Sol System, Agamemnon toiled to devise new weapons against the renegade Astartes: a variant of the still-newly introduced Thunderfire Cannon which could scythe through ranks of Astartes Warriors. Despite his efforts, the Vulcan, as it came to be known, was destroyed by a renegade artillery strike before it's maiden test. Agamemnon was also caught in the attack, his body broken beyond it's physical limits.

Unwilling to let such a brilliant mind be left behind, the Iron Hands were able to recover Agamemnon's form. Too damaged for even the support systems of a Dreadnought, his body was placed in stasis until a viable form of life support could be created. It wasn't until the later years of M38 that Techlord Cristae was able to create a heavier form of the Dreadnought life-support systems, specifically for Agamemnon. Larger, better armed and equipped with scaled up Techmarine equipment allowing Agamemnon to continue his pioneering work despite the confines of his near-destroyed physical form. Despite this, Agamemnon still strives to complete what he considered to be his finest masterpiece, a fully functioning Vulcan Blaster.

Techlord Agamemnon - HQ Choice - 250 Points

Vehicle, Walker (Imagine a Dreadknight/Techmarine)

WS4 BS5 S6(10) AV:F13 S12 R10 I4 A2 Ld10

Weapons
Left Arm incorporating a Thunderfire Cannon
DCCW
Dreadnought Servo Harness
Vulcan Charge

Vulcan Charge: The Thunderfire Cannon used by Agamemnon has been heavily modified to incorporate the unstable Vulcan Charge. While powerful, the Charge requires plenty of time to dissipate excess radiation.
Agamemnon may choose to fire the Vulcan Charge instead of firing the normal Thunderfire Cannon, with the following profile:
Range: 12" S10 Ap1, Heavy 1, Beam, One Shot
In addition, the Thunderfire Cannon is also loaded with Agamemnon's experimental Blackstar Ammunition, which is not subject to the One-Shot rule.
Range: 24", S1 Ap6, Heavy 4, Haywire, Gets Hot

Dreadnought Servo Harness: A scaled up version of the equiment used by Techmarines, the harness incorporates two Servo Arms, a TL Plasma Gun and a TL Heavy Flamer. Agamemnon may choose to fire one Servo Weapon and the Thunderfire Cannon, or both Servo Weapons.

Special Rules
Blessing of the Machine God
Tactical Adaptability

Blessing of the Machine God - Same as per C:SM, except that Agamemnon may choose to repair himself.

Tactical Adaptability - One Tactical Squad in an army led by Agamemnon (not any form of Allied Detachment) may be upgraded with Special Issue Ammunition for 20 Points.


Thoughts and Comments?

Captain Arkos, 7th Company, Alpha Legion

For C:CSM

200 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades

Venom: This is a master-crafted combi-melta. It uses Special Ammunition as detailed in C:SM.

Foebane: This is a large greatsword carried by Arkos. It is a melee weapon with the following profile: Strength User + 2 AP 3 Two Handed

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, 5+ Invulnerable save.

Scion of Alpharius: Arkos must always be the army's Warlord. All Chaos Space Marine units in power armour gain Infiltrate, Stealth and Acute Senses. Only units in power armour may be selected in Arkos' detachment. Arkos does not roll on the Warlord chart, rather he gains the Night Attacker trait.

@CalasTyphon: These aren't mostly your own characters. I admire your tenacity, but judging by the first words of the thread:

Meridia wrote:Basically come up with you own characters, the story behind them and the rules for them on the battlefield. Feel free to contribute characters or to suggest changes if you disagree with anything.

Perhaps they warrant a separate thread?

Back OT: No changes for Halestan?

the_ferrett wrote:Kirby the Squig 55pts

WS4 BS0 S5 T5 W3 I2 A2 Ld7 Sv4+

Fearless, Fear, Smash

Mouthy: Kirby's attacks are at AP3. Against models smaller than his mouth he always hits on a 4+.

Kirby is 8 inches tall.

DarknessEternal wrote:

the_ferrett wrote:Kirby the Squig 55pts

WS4 BS0 S5 T5 W3 I2 A2 Ld7 Sv4+

Fearless, Fear, Smash

Mouthy: Kirby's attacks are at AP3. Against models smaller than his mouth he always hits on a 4+.

Kirby is 8 inches tall.

Yeah. A terrifying 8 inches.

Xil Malisek, Dark Apostle of the Syl Kain Host, Word Bearers Legion

WS 5 BS 5 S 4 T 5 W 3 I 6 LD 10 Sv 2+/4+

pts: 180

Wargear: Terminator Armor, Accursed Rozarius, plasma blaster.

Special rules: independant character, fearless, Blessing of the Dark Gods, demagogue, Summoner of chaos

Accursed Rozarius: Power Maul, counts as Chaos Icon.

Plasma Blaster 18" str 7 AP 2 assault 2

Blessing of the Dark Gods : The Dark gods have shown favor to Xil, and has blessed him with their protection, giving him a 4+ invulnerable.

Demagogue: Xil malisek speaks prayers throughout the battle and chants curses at the enemy. Emboldeing his troops and disheartening the opposition. Any freindly unit within 6" of Xil and Fearless. Any enemy unit within 6" must take a morale check at the end of each assault phase. as though they suffered 25% causalities

Summoner of Chaos: Xil is gifted with great power over the warp and can open portals to the material world with ease. Once per game Xil may summon a non-independent character, non-vehicle, Chaos Daemon unit from reserve without rolling for it's reserve, and it will not scatter. The unit must be placed within 6" of XIl. The new unit may assault the turn is enters.

Sunoccard wrote: Xil Malisek, Dark Apostle of the Syl Kain Host, Word Bearers Legion

Spoiler:

WS 5 BS 5 S 4 T 5 W 3 I 6 LD 10 Sv 2+/4+

pts: 180

Wargear: Terminator Armor, Accursed Rozarius, plasma blaster.

Special rules: independant character, fearless, Blessing of the Dark Gods, demagogue, Summoner of chaos

Accursed Rozarius: Power Maul, counts as Chaos Icon.

Blessing of the Dark Gods : The Dark gods have shown favor to Xil, and has blessed him with their protection, giving him a 4+ invulnerable.

Demagogue: Xil malisek speaks prayers throughout the battle and chants curses at eh enemy. Emboldeing his troops and disheartening the opposition. Any freindly unit within 6" of XIl and Fearless. Any enemy unit within 6" must take a morale check at the beginning of each turn as though they suffered 25% causalities

Summoner of Chaos: Xil is gifted with great power over the warp and can open portals to the material world with ease. Once per game Xil may summon a non-independent character, non-vehicle, Chaos Daemon unit from reserve without rolling for it's reserve, and it will not scatter. The unit must be placed within 6" of XIl. The new unit may assault the turn is enters.

As has been stated before, being able to DS and charge is pretty powerful, especially when it doesn't scatter. AND that it can happen on a big squad of Bloodcrushers makes it scary, but not nearly as terrible as others we've seen.

Demagouge: Is it player turn or game turn? Maybe reword it to be at the end of the controlling player's shooting phase with a larger radius? Just an idea, but some clarification would be great.

What's a plasma blaster? Plasma Pistol? Combi-Plasma? And how many Attacks does he have?

Breakdown of cost:

I am taking a wild guess here, as I have always thought of the name Plasma Blaster and pictured a Stormbolter Plasma. Assault 2 Plasmagun.

made a few more changes:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Wedge Talon, Chapter Master of the Hunter Eagles, 270pts (is this enough?)
WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 4
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character, Unique)

Special Rules:
ATSKNF
The Great Loss
Commander of the Skies
The High-Flying Eye
Aerial Attack
Independent Character
Orbital Bombardment
Aerial Tactics

The Great Loss:
Wedge Talon has the Prefered Enemy: Chaos, Hatred: Chaos Space Marines and Crusader rules. His accompaning unit also gain benefit from the crusader rule while Wedge is alive/acompanying them.
The High-Flying Eye:
Wedge Talon may chose to use the skyfire rule when shooting
Aerial Attack:
Wedge Talon and his unit are able to assault the turn they deep strike as long as they do not run or shoot in the movement phase. Every model performing the manouver cause D6 Hammer of Wrath hits instead of the normal 1. Those model may also only make 1 normal attack and are auto-hit with an attack with a strength value equal to the toughness of one enemy model they are in base contact with (use the heighest value in the case of multiple enemy model is base contact).
Aerial Tactics:
Wedge Talon (and any jump unit he is attached to) only scatter D6" when deep striking. In addition, Wedge and his unit, instead of moving normally in the movement phase, may instead elect to go into ongoing reserves. When they return the MUST deep strike. Wedge Talon must always be your warlord if included as part of the primary attachement and automatically has the 'Coordinated Assault' command trait.
Commander of the Skies:
Assault Marines are troop choices and Vanguard Veterans are scoring units.

Wargear:
Artificer Armour
Auxillary Grenade Launcher
Iron Halo
The Eagle's Talons
This is a twin pair of lightning claws with the following profile:
range - str +1 ap 3 type shred ,melee, slice*, specialist weapon
Note, Wedge Talon gets the +1 attack as they are a PAIR,
*Slice, opponent must re-roll successful armour saves taken against this weapon

Options:
May be accompainied by up to 3 Calthalian Hunter Eagles.....15pts per Calthalian Hunter Eagle
Calthalian Hunter Eagles:
Wedge Talon is normally accompanied by up to 3 of the finest Calthalian Hunter Eagles. He gains +1 I as long as 1 Hunter Eagle is alive. In addition, the Calthalian Hunter Eagles have their own stats, listed below:

Calthalian Hunter Eagle
WS 4
BS 1
S 3
T 3
W 1
I 5
A 3
Ld 9
Sv -

Unit Type: Jump Beast

Special Rules:
Quick Reflexs:
Confers a 5+ invunerable save.
Eagle's Eye:
All attacks made by Calthalian Hunter Eagles are Precision Strikes
Companion:
Calthalian Hunter Eagles DO NOT interfer with the 'Independent Character' rule, e.g. an Independant Character can still join a unit if accompanied by a model with this rule.

Wargear:
Sharp Talons:
range - str user ap 6 type shred

Note: Calthalian Hunter Eagles DO NOT interfer with the 'Independent Character' rule Wedge Talon has, he may still join other units even when accompanied by them.

Better?

Deadshot wrote:I am taking a wild guess here, as I have always thought of the name Plasma Blaster and pictured a Stormbolter Plasma. Assault 2 Plasmagun.

You are correct, the plasma blaster is 18" S7 AP 2 assault 2. IRRC it was introduced by forgeworld. to replace stormbolters in their DDCCW

Quetzal Cartach, Captain, 5th Company, Alpha Legion

180 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: artificer armour, plasma pistol, frag and krak grenades

Flaying blade: Cartach fashioned this blade after observing his Ninth Legion counterpart Amit the 'Flesh Tearer' in combat. It is a power sword with the Rending USR. In addition, Cartach causes Fear.

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save

Firnir Stealth Squad: Cartach must be accompanied by a squad of 10 Chaos Space Marines. He must join this squad at the start of the game, and they may not purchase a dedicated transport, nor may any other character join this unit. This unit must include an Aspiring Champion with a power axe and melta bombs, 1 marine with a meltagun, 1 marine with a flamer, and 1 marine with a pair of lightning claws. This squad gains the Pinning, Infiltrate and Scout USRs.

What type of power weapon is the Flaying Blade? We cannot see a model to tell so it needs to say Axe, Sword, Mace or Unusual

Deadshot wrote:What type of power weapon is the Flaying Blade? We cannot see a model to tell so it needs to say Axe, Sword, Mace or Unusual

any power weapon with any additional special rules is an unusual power weapon, i.e. AP3 with any special rules

Only if its a unique Special rule, such as Agonizers which wound on 4+, or Direswords with their ID thing. That only has USRs.

Deadshot wrote:Only if its a unique Special rule, such as Agonizers which wound on 4+, or Direswords with their ID thing. That only has USRs.

huh, did not realise that
Edited then

4oursword wrote:Chapter Master Halestan of The Purgators- 180pts

WS-6 Bs-5 S-4 T-4 W-3 I-5 A-4 LD-10 SV-2+3++

Wargear: Terminator Armour, Storm Shield, Bane Of The Heirophant

Bane Of the Heirophant: Halestan killed a towering Bio-Titan with this massive chainblade, and its razor-sharp edges are just as keen against smaller foes. It uses the following profile:
S-X2, AP-2, Armourbane, Unwieldy

Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Independent Character, Opportunistic

Opportunistic: Halestan knows the weak points of his enemies and knows when to attack and when to defend. He has the Counter-Attack and Acute Senses special rules.

No-one want to comment on him?

Too many Marines. Don't really care about them.

Good point...

Price calculation
Captain 100
Termy Armour 40
Chainfist (essentially all it is) 30
Storm Shield 15
Special rule free (exchanged for Combat Tactics it seems).
All in all, 185.

That's exactly why I didn't bother commenting but I was hoping we'd be on the same page as for costing

Captain = 100
+1 Attack +10
Termi +40
Bane of the H +15 (CDX cost of a Chainfist)
Opportunist +10 (If he's with a squad of SM, which he is almost guarenteed to be, then loosing the CTactics doesn't matter and Counter Attack effects the whole squad)
Storm Shield +15 (5 points higher that CDX cost because you're replacing the Storm Bolter rather than Power Sword with it)
190

Nearly same result but I just wanted to point out my opinion on the price points. I don't think the destination is different, just a different route to get there!

sub-zero wrote:Magnus Carbohal is a direct decendant of Lord Macragge Marneus Calgar. From the time of his birth he was supervised and trained by Marneus himself. His rise through the ranks from initiate to capt. of the first company was watched by Lord Macragge with great interest and over whelming pride

A little mary sueish, no?

name:Big Mek Cogsnag

WS 4 BS 2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 Ld8 Sv 6+ 4++

Wargear:Mek's tools-Cybork body-Choppa-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!

Special Rules:Independent Character-Furious Charge-Mob Rule-WAAAGH!!!-Colosseum of Commorragh Trials

Special Tings:Colosseum of Commorragh Trials-provides FNP and Preferred Enemy(all or Dark Eldar your thoughts)-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!- A Range 48" S8 AP2 Heavy 2 Large Blast (During a WAAAGH!!! this gun can shot more than one time but after the first shot you must roll for Gets Hot! and every shot afterwards add 1 to the gets hot roll (example 2nd shot 2+ 3rd shot 3+ 4th shot 4+ 5th 5+ 6th shot 6+) but the model does not take a wound just stops fireing (he is used to it).

Backround:Cogsnag started off as a normal Big Mek then he took a arty shell to the body. afterwhitch a Painboy patched him up with cybork peices made from necron parts from the battle then he gets caught by the dark eldar who take him to the colosseum to fight. he fights for years then finally gets enough parts to make a gun a Lazar gun and blasts himself out of there. somehow he escapes Commorragh and find a ork tribe. who give him some propa mek tools a good Choppa and thats where he is now.

so what you guys think i will take any help you can to make him better.

That gun is absolutely ridiculous. You're telling me that on a WAAGGHH he can reasonably drop down 6 of those Large Blasts? More if you get really lucky? I'll be nice and stop at saying it's stupid. I'm all about the idea of having a Big mek with a nasty gun but that thing is pretty crazy...

I don't get why he would have preferred enemy: everything, if you must definitely keep it to DE.

felixander wrote:That gun is absolutely ridiculous. You're telling me that on a WAAGGHH he can reasonably drop down 6 of those Large Blasts? More if you get really lucky? I'll be nice and stop at saying it's stupid. I'm all about the idea of having a Big mek with a nasty gun but that thing is pretty crazy...

I don't get why he would have preferred enemy: everything, if you must definitely keep it to DE.

agreed

name:Big Mek Cogsnag

WS 4 BS 2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 Ld8 Sv 6+ 4++

Wargear:Mek's tools-Cybork body-Choppa-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!

Special Rules:Independent Character-Furious Charge-Mob Rule-WAAAGH!!!-Colosseum of Commorragh Trials

Special Tings:Colosseum of Commorragh Trials-provides FNP and Preferred Enemy( Dark Eldar)-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!- A Range 42" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Large Blast (During a WAAAGH!!! this gun can shot one more time but must take a Gets Hot! roll)

Backround:Cogsnag started off as a normal Big Mek then he took a arty shell to the body. afterwhitch a Painboy patched him up with cybork peices made from necron parts from the battle then he gets caught by the dark eldar who take him to the colosseum to fight. he fights for years then finally gets enough parts to make a gun a Lazar gun and blasts himself out of there. somehow he escapes Commorragh and find a ork tribe. who give him some propa mek tools a good Choppa and thats where he is now.

so is this better?

bouseherb wrote:name:Big Mek Cogsnag

WS 4 BS 2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 Ld8 Sv 6+ 4++

Wargear:Mek's tools-Cybork body-Choppa-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!

Special Rules:Independent Character-Furious Charge-Mob Rule-WAAAGH!!!-Colosseum of Commorragh Trials

Special Tings:Colosseum of Commorragh Trials-provides FNP and Preferred Enemy( Dark Eldar)-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!- A Range 42" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Large Blast (During a WAAAGH!!! this gun can shot one more time but must take a Gets Hot! roll)

Backround:Cogsnag started off as a normal Big Mek then he took a arty shell to the body. afterwhitch a Painboy patched him up with cybork peices made from necron parts from the battle then he gets caught by the dark eldar who take him to the colosseum to fight. he fights for years then finally gets enough parts to make a gun a Lazar gun and blasts himself out of there. somehow he escapes Commorragh and find a ork tribe. who give him some propa mek tools a good Choppa and thats where he is now.

so is this better?

Big Meks don't get Waagh, also no points cost?

First yes Big Meks do page 97of the ork codex
second i designed him more to be a unique (forgot to put that in there) because i feel we need a Big Mek Hero.


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Points: i say 175 what do you guys think?

name:Big Mek Cogsnag

Unit:1 (unique)

WS 4 BS 2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 Ld8 Sv 6+ 4++

Wargear:Mek's tools-Cybork body-Choppa-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!

Special Rules:Independent Character-Furious Charge-Mob Rule-WAAAGH!!!-Colosseum of Commorragh Trials

Special Tings:Colosseum of Commorragh Trials-provides FNP and Preferred Enemy( Dark Eldar)-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!- A Range 42" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Large Blast (During a WAAAGH!!! this gun can shot one more time but must take a Gets Hot! roll)

Backround:Cogsnag started off as a normal Big Mek then he took a arty shell to the body. afterwhitch a Painboy patched him up with cybork peices made from necron parts from the battle then he gets caught by the dark eldar who take him to the colosseum to fight. he fights for years then finally gets enough parts to make a gun a Lazar gun and blasts himself out of there. somehow he escapes Commorragh and find a ork tribe. who give him some propa mek tools a good Choppa and thats where he is now.

bouseherb wrote:First yes Big Meks do page 97of the ork codex
second i designed him more to be a unique (forgot to put that in there) because i feel we need a Big Mek Hero.


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Points: i say 175 what do you guys think?

name:Big Mek Cogsnag

Unit:1 (unique)

WS 4 BS 2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 Ld8 Sv 6+ 4++

Wargear:Mek's tools-Cybork body-Choppa-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!

Special Rules:Independent Character-Furious Charge-Mob Rule-WAAAGH!!!-Colosseum of Commorragh Trials

Special Tings:Colosseum of Commorragh Trials-provides FNP and Preferred Enemy( Dark Eldar)-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!- A Range 42" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Large Blast (During a WAAAGH!!! this gun can shot one more time but must take a Gets Hot! roll)

Backround:Cogsnag started off as a normal Big Mek then he took a arty shell to the body. afterwhitch a Painboy patched him up with cybork peices made from necron parts from the battle then he gets caught by the dark eldar who take him to the colosseum to fight. he fights for years then finally gets enough parts to make a gun a Lazar gun and blasts himself out of there. somehow he escapes Commorragh and find a ork tribe. who give him some propa mek tools a good Choppa and thats where he is now.

I'm sorry I do like the concept but 175 for a S8 AP2 large blast? that you can shoot twice when you WAARGH? No way. No way in the seven hells. You're talking about something that will obliterate a 1000 point Paladin deathstar by itself. Something that will drop a 20 man plague marine block in 1 shot. Think at least 200.

Well, I mean honestly you're gonna have to be playing someone stupid to have them group up 20 plague marines into base 2 base contact when they know you have the gun haha
And frankly the guy can't WAAGGH on the first turn so you have at least one turn of shooting to land a single S8 shot on him to ID him. I don't think that the gun is over powered anymore. I think Calas is over reacting a bit.

Big Mek = 35 points
+1W +10
4++ Cybork Body +20
Feel No Pain +10
PE: DE +5 (cause we can't let you have it for free )
That puts you at 80 points. There's no way that gun is worth 95 points as you modified it. I'd leave his gear as is and say 150. Powerful gun for 70 points on a BS2 model? Sounds like a decent pricing to me.

felixander wrote:Well, I mean honestly you're gonna have to be playing someone stupid to have them group up 20 plague marines into base 2 base contact when they know you have the gun haha
And frankly the guy can't WAAGGH on the first turn so you have at least one turn of shooting to land a single S8 shot on him to ID him. I don't think that the gun is over powered anymore. I think Calas is over reacting a bit.

Big Mek = 35 points
+1W +10
4++ Cybork Body +20
Feel No Pain +10
PE: DE +5 (cause we can't let you have it for free )
That puts you at 80 points. There's no way that gun is worth 95 points as you modified it. I'd leave his gear as is and say 150. Powerful gun for 70 points on a BS2 model? Sounds like a decent pricing to me.

BS2 means nothing on a blast weapon
especially with no partials against vehicles
and the fact that the ork army lacks long range area effect high strength armor ignoring weapons...

Just some DIY chapter characters I've been working on. Tell me what you think. Points costs may not be too low/high for them, just an FYI!

Adamas, Supreme Commander of the Teraforce Chapter (190 Points)
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: The Fulgurite, Impervious Storm
Special Rules: IC, ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Rites of Battle
[The Fulgurite] A Master-Crafted AP2 Relic Blade with the Instant Death special rule.
[Impervious Storm] Terminator Armour with a 2+ Armour save and a 3+ Invulnerable save.
[Rites of Battle] When Adamas is in play all Teraforce units can use his Leadership value for Morale and Pinning tests.

Master Chaplain Velen (180 points)
WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I4 A3 LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Cruciform Flame, Hadean Bolter, Terminator Armour, Iron Halo
Special Rules: IC, Combat Tactics, Honour of the Chapter, Liturgies of Fury
[Cruciform Flame] A Master-Crafted Power Sword with the Soul Blaze special rule.
[Hadean Bolter] A Storm Bolter with the Fleshbane special rule.
[Liturgies of Fury] Velen, and any unit he is with, may re-roll both failed to-hit and to-wound rolls during close-combat.

Chief Librarian Maraad (185 points)
WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Dawnlight, Force Shield, Terminator Armour, Psychic Hood
Special Rules: IC, ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Psyker Mastery 3, Adamantium Will, Defensive Arts
[Dawnlight] A Master-Crafted Maul with the Force special rule.
[Force Shield] A specialised Storm Shield. If an Invulnerable save is failed, Maraad may re-roll the attempt. This counts as using one psychic power. Only one failed Invulnerable save per turn can attempt a re-roll.
[Defensive Arts] In lieu of rolling for random psychic powers, Maraad may automatically know the following powers; Endurance, Fire Shield, Telekine Dome, and Invisibility. If this action is chosen, he cannot choose anymore psychic powers.

Forgemaster Daelo (200 points)
WS4 BS5 S4 T5 W2 I4 A2 LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Bike (Character)
Wargear: Archaeos, Master-Crafted Power Axe, Servo-Arm, Artificer Armour, Frag and Krak Grenades
Special Rules: IC, ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Blessing of the Omnissiah, Bolster Defences, Lord of the Armoury, Mechanum Technopathus
[Archaeos] Daelo's personal Astartes Bike. It comes equipped with a Conversion Beamer and twin-linked Boltguns.
[Mechanum Technopathus] Just like the rule of the Necron character Anrakyr the Traveller, but slightly weaker. Where Anrakyr rolls on 3+, Daelo rolls on 5+. He may then control the vehicle and make it fire on a desired target (destroyed weapons cannot fire but crew shaken/stunned results are ignored).

Scout Veteran Deremiis (185 points)
WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 LD10 SV4+
Unit Type: Infantry
Wargear: Rail Sniper, Camo Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Grenades
Special Rules: ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Lone Soldier, Scout, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover
[Rail Sniper] 36" S5 AP3 Heavy 1 Rending Pinning
[Camo Armour] Carapace Armour with an attached Camo Cloak.
[Lone Soldier] Deremiis can never join or be joined by other friendly units.

Xayaan, Captain of the 4th Company (180 points)
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Pair of Master-Crafted Lightning Claws, Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Frag and Krak Grenades
Special Rules: IC, ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Sky Hunter
[Sky Hunter] Xayaan, and any unit he is with that is equipped with Jump Packs, benefit from the Fleet and Crusader special rules.

Acteon, Captain of the 3rd Company (195 points)
WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 LD10 SV2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Volcano Fist, Assault Cannon, Terminator Armour, Iron Halo
Special Rules: IC, ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Ruination
[Volcano Fist] A Master-Crafted Power Fist that strikes at S10 AP1 and has the Armourbane special rule.
[Ruination] Acteon benefits from the Tank Hunter special rule when in close-combat with enemy armour.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
I'm sorry I do like the concept but 175 for a S8 AP2 large blast? that you can shoot twice when you WAARGH? No way. No way in the seven hells. You're talking about something that will obliterate a 1000 point Paladin deathstar by itself. Something that will drop a 20 man plague marine block in 1 shot. Think at least 200.

Necron DDA is a 72" S9 AP1 Pie for 175. That has to stay still to fire as well, as if the mek moved it would have to be snap fired, which templates/ordnance cant do. Granted, he can fire twice, but as mentioned, a single S8 is bye-bye Mek.

RegalPhantom wrote:Honestly, I think the best solution for his scythe would be to make it in line with what Tesla does for Necron shooting. I also agree with dropping Fleshbane

Deathbringer
S +1, AP2, Range -, Unwieldly, Master Crafted, Reaper*

Reaper*: When rolling to hit with this weapon, any rolls of a 6 cause 2 hits instead of one. This additional hit may be allocated to any model that could be wounded by this weapon.

Uh, so we all say it's over powered and then you want to give him an extra hit on a 6 and make them automatic hits? Tesla has that because it's an AP- shooting attack and it's only powerful because it gets extra hits. Adding an extra HIT on a power axe is even more powerful than it was originally and then you make it TWO extra hits. Add him to the list of characters I wouldn't even consider playing. He was better off as he was before without fleshbane

I read it as a 6 causes a second automatic hit, if that helps

thats what i thought. but i open to more suggestions. maybe just a flat out D3 attacks. but i wanted something to make it special. maybe the D3 and a +/-3 for anything psychic done against him. idk still tossing around ideas

bouseherb wrote:First yes Big Meks do page 97of the ork codex
second i designed him more to be a unique (forgot to put that in there) because i feel we need a Big Mek Hero.


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Points: i say 175 what do you guys think?

name:Big Mek Cogsnag

Unit:1 (unique)

WS 4 BS 2 S4 T4 W3 I3 A3 Ld8 Sv 6+ 4++

Wargear:Mek's tools-Cybork body-Choppa-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!

Special Rules:Independent Character-Furious Charge-Mob Rule-WAAAGH!!!-Colosseum of Commorragh Trials

Special Tings:Colosseum of Commorragh Trials-provides FNP and Preferred Enemy( Dark Eldar)-DA WAAAGH!! Supa Lazar!- A Range 42" S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Large Blast (During a WAAAGH!!! this gun can shot one more time but must take a Gets Hot! roll)

Backround:Cogsnag started off as a normal Big Mek then he took a arty shell to the body. afterwhitch a Painboy patched him up with cybork peices made from necron parts from the battle then he gets caught by the dark eldar who take him to the colosseum to fight. he fights for years then finally gets enough parts to make a gun a Lazar gun and blasts himself out of there. somehow he escapes Commorragh and find a ork tribe. who give him some propa mek tools a good Choppa and thats where he is now.

Make the gun Small Blast, that should fix most issues people have with it.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
BS2 means nothing on a blast weapon
especially with no partials against vehicles
and the fact that the ork army lacks long range area effect high strength armor ignoring weapons...

Are you kidding? I'll gladly have it scatter 2 less inches if it was held by a SM.
OK well there's a LOT of blast weapons out there so you better start complaining about a lot of things!
So he's trying to balance out one of his army's weaknesses and that's a bad thing? I feel like that's a major selling point on having a Unique character. Sorry he isn't just another big nob with power klaw!

When it comes down to it, bouseherb, it matters more about what your opponent will say and I believe that he'll say yes. Especially if he's at 150 points and you tell him the gun alone cost 70.

Also, it's not like AP2 Large Blasts are unheard of for Ork Meks. The Shokk Attakk Gunn is one of the basic pieces of kit, and can do even more damage than this one.

NeoAigaion wrote:
Snip.

I don't have the newest Marine Codex (haven't played them since 4th) so I can't say anything about costs, but I can give some general comments.

Adamas: Seems fine, if unexciting. I'd just give him a storm shield, which is effectively what he has, and maybe make his armour do something else.
Velen: His wargear is more interesting than Adamas, but other than that he is fine if a bit boring. I'd try to spice him up a bit too.
Maraad: Seems undercosted considering he's a psyker with a mastercrafted weapon and 2+/3++ and psyker mastery 3. I'd change the Force Shield to say "If Maraad would fail an invulnerable save, you may take a psychic power test using his unmodified leadership. If passed, you automatically pass the save instead. However, this counts as Maraad using 1 psychic power during your next turn, and you can not use this effect more than 3 times during a single turn.
Daelo: Seems fine
Deremiis: His weapon seems underwhelming, and I'd rather see him so that he can only be in a squad of scout snipers (making him a sniper team leader and a bit more difficult to take out)
Xayaan: Again, seems fine, but possibly undercosted.
Aceton: Probably your most interesting character. It seems good, but again, perhaps slightly overcosted.

points cost:base 105

Supa Gretchin 15 points per model may add up to 5 more.

Supa Gretchin WS3 BS1 S5 T3 W2 I2 A3 LD5 Sv-
Ork PainBoy WS4 BS2 S4 T4 W2 I2 A1 LD7 Sv6+

unit composition: 1 ork painboy 5 to 10 Supa Gretchin

Unit Type:Infantry

Wargear:Gretchin:nothin but bare hands Ork Painboyoks tools 'urty syringe

Special Rules Gretchin Furious Charge Painboy:Furious charge Mob rule WAAAGH!

so basicly its gretchin on steroids being taken care of a dok. whatcha guys think.

Captain Trajan, 1st Company, Exorcists Chapter

Trajan is a rare soul amongst the Astartes: He is a null-Alpha level Pariah. In any other Chapter this might have been an impediment to his career, but in the daemon fighting Exorcists, he was highly regarded. His rise was meteoric, in turn being senior Sergeant of the 3rd Company, Captain of the 3rd, and eventually Captain of the esteemed 1st Company. Trajan fought in major Chapter engagements at the head of his company, winning many honours. He was eventually slain after facing down Doombreed at the Skirmish on Perditus, though in death he bought enough time for his company to bring up heavy weapons and banish Khorne's favoured daemon prince.

230 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Terminator armour, iron halo, Incinerator (see Codex: Grey Knights)

Justicio Imperator: This is a massive broadsword, dating back to the Age of Strife. It is a melee weapon with the following profile: Strength: User x 2 AP: 1 Unwieldy, Two Handed, Armorbane.

Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior, ATSKNF, CT, Chapter Tactics: Fearless, Preferred Enemy: Chaos Daemons.

Pariah: No psychic powers may be cast within 6 inches of Trajan. Trajan and any squad he has joined pass their Deny the Witch roll on a 3+. No psykers may be selected in the same army list as Trajan.

RegalPhantom wrote:

NeoAigaion wrote:
Snip.

I don't have the newest Marine Codex (haven't played them since 4th) so I can't say anything about costs, but I can give some general comments.

Adamas: Seems fine, if unexciting. I'd just give him a storm shield, which is effectively what he has, and maybe make his armour do something else.
Velen: His wargear is more interesting than Adamas, but other than that he is fine if a bit boring. I'd try to spice him up a bit too.
Maraad: Seems undercosted considering he's a psyker with a mastercrafted weapon and 2+/3++ and psyker mastery 3. I'd change the Force Shield to say "If Maraad would fail an invulnerable save, you may take a psychic power test using his unmodified leadership. If passed, you automatically pass the save instead. However, this counts as Maraad using 1 psychic power during your next turn, and you can not use this effect more than 3 times during a single turn.
Daelo: Seems fine
Deremiis: His weapon seems underwhelming, and I'd rather see him so that he can only be in a squad of scout snipers (making him a sniper team leader and a bit more difficult to take out)
Xayaan: Again, seems fine, but possibly undercosted.
Aceton: Probably your most interesting character. It seems good, but again, perhaps slightly overcosted.

Adamas: Would putting in "inflicts Instant Death on to-wound rolls of 6" make him better? Also what if his armour let off an electrical charge, similar to the ability Brayarth Ashmantle has? It'd be something like "all enemy models in base-contact with Adamas suffer an automatic S4 AP- hit". The original idea of his armour had a SS power generator installed inside the armour, thus freeing up one hand for whatever else was required.
Velen: Teraforce chaplains are more akin to their pre-Heresy counterparts (orators of Imperial Truth rather than religious preachers), hence why Velen does not have a Crozius Arcanum or Rosarius. What else could make him interesting?
Maraad: I was never good at points costs estimation. Good point about the potential abuse factor too. Limiting it would probably balance him.
Deremiis: The Rail Sniper is meant to be the "Imperial answer to a Tau Rail Rifle". Could bump it up to S6 like the RR, or exclusively give it Hellfire Ammo (2+ Poison) so that it fits the idea I have of Deremiis being anti-infantry.
Xayaan: Inspired by fluff I've read about Corax, Khan, and their respective legions (in that Xayaan is meant to embody lightning-fast "alpha-strike" assault tactics).
Acteon: Inspired by what I read about Iron Warriors' Primarch Perturabo being anti-armour/siege warfare-ish. He'd be at the frontlines blasting holes through enemy armour.

felixander wrote:That's exactly why I didn't bother commenting but I was hoping we'd be on the same page as for costing

Captain = 100
+1 Attack +10
Termi +40
Bane of the H +15 (CDX cost of a Chainfist)
Opportunist +10 (If he's with a squad of SM, which he is almost guarenteed to be, then loosing the CTactics doesn't matter and Counter Attack effects the whole squad)
Storm Shield +15 (5 points higher that CDX cost because you're replacing the Storm Bolter rather than Power Sword with it)
190

Nearly same result but I just wanted to point out my opinion on the price points. I don't think the destination is different, just a different route to get there!

He was an experiment in Dakka's Intelligence, to be honest. He's a Wolf Lord with TDA, Chainfist and Storm Shield and nothing more.

First Claw

All of the following models must be taken together as First Claw. This is considered 1 unit. All models in this unit are considered characters for the purposes of Look out sir, precision shots, etc.

Talos Valcoran

55 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: Power armour, frag and krak grenades

Aurum, Blade of the Angels: This is a master-crafted power sword that gives +1 Strength.

Malcharion's Bolter: This is a twin-linked bolter. All failed to wound rolls made by this weapon may be re-rolled.

Special Rules: Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save, Hatred: Space Marines

Prophet: An army including Talos may re-roll 1 dice roll per owner's player turn.



Xarl

60 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I5 A2 Ld9 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, frag and krak grenades, bolter, bolt pistol

Executioner: This is a heavy chainsword with the Rending USR.

Special Rules: Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save, Hatred: Space Marines

Blade master: Xarl can re-roll all failed to hit rolls in close combat.



Uzas

50 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS5 BS3 S5 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld7 Sv3+

Wargear: power armour, master-crafted bolter, bolt pistol

Chainaxe: This is a close combat weapon that is AP4.

Special Rules: Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save, Hatred: Space Marines, Rage, Causes Fear

Reckless: Uzas must pass a LD test on his own Ld every turn at the start of the charge sub phase. If he fails, he drags the rest of First Claw with him, and they must all attempt to charge the nearest enemy unit. Ignore this rule if there are no enemy units within legal charge range.



Mercutian

50 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+

Wargear: power armor, bolt pistol, close combat weapon, heavy bolter, frag and krak grenades

Special Rules: Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save, Hatred: Space Marines

Suppressing Fire: If Mercutian did not move in the previous turn, his Overwatch fire is at full BS.


Variel

55 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+

Wargear: power armor, bolt pistol, close combat weapon, frag and krak grenades

Narthecium: Grants Feel No Pain to himself and his unit.

Special Rules: Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save, Hatred: Space Marines



Cyrion

55 points

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+

Wargear: power armor, bolter, bolt pistol, close combat weapon, frag and krak grenades

Special Rules: Fearless, 5+ invulnerable save

Living off fear: Whenever an enemy unit charged by First Claw fails a Fear test, Cyrion gains +1 attack until the start of the next turn.

Gragstak uurrhk- chief flyer killa for da orks!

gragstak is a deathskull loota who during battle with blood angels took down a storm raven gunship.since that day he has been obsessed with destroying flyers and he has da rite tools ta do it! his weapon is a scavenged auto cannon combined with a assualt cannon and it is truly awesome at taking out flyers.

Ws:4 bs:3 s:4 t:4 w:3 I:4 A:3 ld:8
Sv:4+
Wargear: eavy armor, choppa, supa gitfinda, da big deffgun

supa gitfinda : grants the ork the skyfire usr

da big deffgun: this weapon is heavly upgunned to become more powerfull but due to the assualt cannon being slightly damaged it has a reduced rate of fire.
Str: 8 ap: 3 heavy 3

special rules: furious charge, sharpshoota, boss of da lootas.

Sharpshoota: any rolls of six to hit automatically penetrate. This represents gragstak hitting a weakpoint in the vehicles armor.

Boss of da lootas : if gragstak is leading a unit of lootas they are fearless

I would change sharpshoota to give Interceptor. Otherwise if your opponent doesn't have a Flyer ( Ie, both Chaos, Eldar, Tau, Nids, Black Templar, Dark Angels, Space Wolves) then he becomes your worst shot with a powerful weapon to boot. And besides, 6 to pen isn't really that powerful, as it only affects AV 14 in this case.


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Also need a range for his gun.

I'd say lower Gragstrakk's BS, Init and Wounds to 2. No real reason for him to have more- that way, he's basically on a Nob/Big Mek statline. He doesn't need the Initiative or Wounds, because he shouldn't be in CC that often, and he doesn't need the BS because of the Sharpshooter rule (which, by the way, is way cool).

Elrich Gliscayn, The Eternal Hunter

Old even among the Eldar, he left his brethren in disgust long before the Fall in order to sustain what he felt was the duty of the Eldar, to extinguish the Necron menace from the galaxy. Long has he hunted these soulless creatures, destroying several slumbering tomb worlds and successfully delaying the awakening many others. Even now as the Necron menace awakens, Elrich scours the galaxy for tomb worlds, crippling as many tomb worlds as he can before the Eldar race faces their inevitable reckoning.

(Not sure what to put for point cost)

WS6 BS5 S3 T3 W3 A4 I7 Ld10 Sv5+

Special Rules:
Independent Character
Dodge: With heightened reflexes and milenia of experience, Elrich is capable of predicting his opponents next move and dodging them. He benefits from a 4+ invulnerable save.
Fleet
Ancient Rivalry: Elrich has long battled against and studied the Necrons thus understands this opponent very well. Elrich and all pathfinders in an army containing Elrich benefit from Preferred Enemy: Necrons.
Stealth
Ancient Hunter: Elrich knows when it's time to strike for the kill and when it's time to let his prey, persay, bleed out. At the end or start of the assault sub phase, Elrich may move 2D6" away from combat (if he is in any) on a roll of 3+.

Wargear:
Lance of Kurnous: An ancient rifle that legend says the Eldar God Vaul crafted for Kurnous (Eldar God of the Hunt), It is as beautiful a craftsmanship as it is deadly and its deadliness is only multiplied in the hands of Elrich. The Lance of Kurnous has the following profile:
Range: 36" S:X AP:3 Type: Assault 2, Sniper (wounds on a 4+)
Blades of Kurnous: An ancient pair of long hunting knives rumored to have belonged to Kurnous, Elrich uses them with dazzling efficiency when he is forced into close combat. These blades have the following profile:
S:X(Poisoned 4+) AP:- Rending (6+) These blades do not grant Elrich an additional attack upon what his profile dictates.

High Halvard Barak (or Javed Tarek which translates to Eternal Protector) - 195 Points

Ws 6
BS 4
S 5
T 5
W 3
I 2
A 3
LD 10
SV 2+

Composition:
-1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
-Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
-Sempiternal Weave
-Phase Shifter
-Warscythe
-Mindshackle Scarabs

Special Rules:
-Independent Character
-Ever Living
-Phaeron
-Reanimation Protocols
-Night Vision
-Shroud Emitter-Barak is able to emit a shroud of darkenss like on Dowyn Kelar.Useable only at beginning of his Movement Phase.This gives him and

any unit he is attached to a 4+ or 5+ cover save (haven't worked out if 4+ cover saves is too much) till his next Movement Phase then not useable till the following movement phase.Useable in a vehicle.

Barak may take a Catacomb Command Barge as a Dedicated Transport.

I didn't put his background becasue it goes together with my own Dynasty's History and I didn't want to have a really long post on here.

Chaos Santa wrote:High Halvard Barak - 195 Points

Ws 6
BS 4
S 5
T 5
W 3
I 2
A 3
LD 10
SV 2+

Composition:
-1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
-Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
-Sempiternal Weave
-Phase Shifter
-Warscythe
-Mindshackle Scarabs

Special Rules:
-Independent Character
-Ever Living
-Phaeron
-Reanimation Protocols
-Night Vision
-Shroud Emitter-Barak is able to emit a shroud of darkenss like on Dowyn Kelar.Useable only at beginning of his Movement Phase.This gives him and

any unit he is attached to a 4+ or 5+ cover save (haven't worked out if 4+ cover saves is too much) till his next Movement Phase then not useable till the following movement phase.Useable in a vehicle.

Barak may take a Catacomb Command Barge as a Dedicated Transport.

Why WS6?

King Pariah wrote:

Chaos Santa wrote:High Halvard Barak - 195 Points

Ws 6
BS 4
S 5
T 5
W 3
I 2
A 3
LD 10
SV 2+

Composition:
-1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
-Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
-Sempiternal Weave
-Phase Shifter
-Warscythe
-Mindshackle Scarabs

Special Rules:
-Independent Character
-Ever Living
-Phaeron
-Reanimation Protocols
-Night Vision
-Shroud Emitter-Barak is able to emit a shroud of darkenss like on Dowyn Kelar.Useable only at beginning of his Movement Phase.This gives him and

any unit he is attached to a 4+ or 5+ cover save (haven't worked out if 4+ cover saves is too much) till his next Movement Phase then not useable till the following movement phase.Useable in a vehicle.

Barak may take a Catacomb Command Barge as a Dedicated Transport.

Why WS6?

There is precedence for it, look at Obyron

CalasTyphon216 is right, it fit with his background to make him like Obyron but better for certain reasons.

Just looking for your fluff reason why he has a high WS

I made some changes to my Teraforce Chapter characters on page 44. Hopefully they will bring balance or make them better.

- Adamas: Fulgurite now has the Instant Death special rule.
- Maraad: His "Force Shield" ability (re-rolling a failed Invulnerable save) can only be attempted once per turn.
- Xayaan: Swapped out Furious Charge for Crusader (both the latter and Fleet look like they would work well together).
- Daelo: Changed the name of his Anrakyr-like ability from "One with the Machine Spirit" to "Mechanum Technopathus".

Just looking for your fluff reason why he has a high WS

To make a long story short he was a bodyguard for the C'tan, the Nightbringer.

I have only supplied a single ACTUAL character that I planned on using to this thread and wanted to put in more and was thinking "What can I make that we haven't seen yet..."

Duurg is an especially friendly Ogryn who has seen more years of service than many would believe. He has died and been rebuilt multiple times but maintains his almost childish friendliness off of the battlefield. He likes long walks on the beach, poetry, kittens, pulverizing anything near him in a fit of rage, and Frank Sinatra.

Duurg
120 points (math below)
WS4 BS2 S5 T6 W4 i1 A3 LD6 S4+

Duurg may be added to a single Ogryn squad

Wargear:
Duurg's "Sharpshooter": Duurg has long prided himself on being the best shot of anyone he meets (as no one will disagree) and carries a specially modified Ripper Gun to meet his "superior accuracy" as well as being outfitted with a powered bayonet:
Range: 12" S: 4 AP: - Assault 2, Blast
and the following melee profile
Range: Melee S: +1 AP: 4 Two-Handed
Extensive Cybernetics: Duurg has died more times than he can count and been pieced back together (Granted, he can only count to 3). The extensive cybernetics and bionics networked together to hold him together have been set to induce a serious burst of furiosity as well as regenerate wounds for the aging Ogryn. These grant Duurg Feel No Pain and It Will Not Die as well as +1i and +2A on the charge instead of the standard +1 A for charging.
Improved Flakk Armor: Supplying him with a 4+ armor save. (I didn't want to give him Carapace armor because I just felt like that wasn't fitting)
Frag Grenades

Special Rules:
Unique, Character, Stubborn, Extremely Bulky (or whatever it's called that takes up 3 slots)
A Leader In the Herd: While Duurg is not a Bone 'ead he has the tendency to become especially over zealous and lead his squad where he feels it should. Duurg's Squad MUST be joined by a Commissar (for an additional 35 points) whom may receive any wargear options available to Lord Commissars on page 92 of the Imperial Guard Codex. If at the beginning of your movement phase there is not a Commissar of either rank then the squad must take a Leadership check immediately, even if embarked in a transport. If this is passed then the squad continues normally. If it fails this leadership test then Duurg convinces the squad that all must be abandoned as they charge the enemy head long; the squad immediately moves directly for the closest enemy (if inside of transport they disembark and then move per normal) and MUST attempt to assault them even if they are far out of range of their charge distance (His squad may assault out of the vehicle in this case only). If the enemy is outside of 18" they may not fire Overwatch (if they are within that distance the enemy hear the Ogryn coming long before they see them)



I have NO idea why Ogryn are BS3 in the Codex and I reflected this on the character simply for fluffiness. He's got some really good buffs from the cybernetics and age but also can be detrimental as seen by having i1 and a lack of furious charge (though he does get that back on the charge). At first glance he seems undercosted but when you consider he doesn't have much in the way of weaponry he just is a firepower soak. Sorry if it's overly wordy!

HappyMathTime for his cost


What do you guys think?

I like it!
But for extensive cybernetics, just say his has Feel No Pain, It Will Not Die and Rage special rules and has +1I on the charge.

Rage changed so it's no longer 'run at the closes enemy' and is now'+2A on the charge'

Oh nice, Rage is one of those rules I skipped over because I never play with or against anything that has it haha

Agnaar Wolfheart Daemon Prince of Nurgle HS 235 (CD) Unique

WS-7 BS-5 S-5 T-6 W-4 I-5 A-4 LD-10 Sv- 2+4++

Mark of nurgle
Terminator armor
Cloud of Flies
Noxious touch
Breath of Chaos
Father of Plaguewolves- one units of beasts of nurgle may be taken as troops.

Angaar was once a Space Wolf charged with the care of a pack of Fenrisian wolves. After the death of his packs den mother to a plague following an encounter with nurgle deamons, Angaar attempted to immunize his pack to all known plagues poisons and venom. He proposed the idea to his wolf lord who gave him leave to complete the work.

The process took decades but he was eventually successful. The wolves themselves however suffered grave side effects. They no longer grew hair on their skin, instead secreting a vile ooze that infected many of the plagues and poisons that the pack was now immune to.

After reporting his success, Angaar and his pack were sent to scout a ork encampment, but when returning to their own lines the Space Wolves open fire on the freakish looking pack. Angaar, enraged, returned fire. Cursing his brethren for slaughtering his pack. His curses rang across the warp. Father Nurgle, who had been influencing Angaar since the death of the pack mother, Answered. Gifting Angaar and his pack with his blessing.

I have a much more detailed story for this guy, this is just the highlight points. Never actually used him like this, in games he is just a nurgle DP but this thread got me thinking it would make a cool SC. Also he may have to count as a HQ for being unique and having the Father of Plaguewolves ability, but CD dp are HS.

Zogwitz Hammasplatta Now known as Prawfut Bludskin, Prawfut of the Red Waaagh!
HQ 210 pts
Not really sure about this point cost. His stat line is the same as a warboss except +1S. His wargear is equivalent to a 110pt Warboss except he has a 3+ armor instead of 4+. (cybork 5++ = Daemonic 5++) I just added 100pts due to the better armor and strength and his Prawfut of the Red Waaagh! and Not dem gitz! Da u'ver uns! abilities. I honestly have no idea what point value to associate with the two special abilities lol.

WS - 6 BS - 2 S - 5 T - 5 W - 3 I - 4 A - 4 LD - 9 Sv - 3+ 5++

Boss Pole
Power Klaw
shoota/rokkit kombi weapon
Furious charge
mob rule
Waaagh!
Warp Forged Eavy Armor : Created in the Forge of Souls this armor gifts the bearer with a 3+ armor save as well as a 5+ daemonic invulnerable save
Prawfut of the Red Waaagh! : As long as Prawfut Bludskin is on the table, All allied Daemons have the Waaagh! Special rule.
Not dem gitz! Da u'ver uns! : Chaos Daemons are considered battle brothers. Chaos Space Marines are Come the Apocalypse
*note may not take a greater daemon from any god except Khorn.

Zogwitz was never the brightest ork, but smartz was for the mekk boyz, he was good at killin. As a Nob for Great Boss Tuska, Zogwitz was with Tuska when he made his journey into the eye of terror. Zogwitz was with Tuska all the way to the end, The last Nob to fall before finally Tuska was defeated. Zogwitz lay bleeding and broken onto the planet made of blood and flesh, unable to move but not quite dead, when Tuska died. He lay there conscious as dawn broke over the battlefield, and witnessed the fallen bodies of the orks reassemble then start moving.

His body too was healing. Boss Tuska was alive and grinning, eager to get the battle for this newest planet underway. Zogwitz tried explaining that they had already battled, that they had all died, that only the powers of the ork gods could have brought them back. Nobody believed him. The battle repeated again, and again, and again. Finally, frustrated that he was the only ork to see what was really happening, Zogwitz decided to break off from the battle and get some answers. He trecked across the barren flesh planet for days when finally he was confronted by an towering daemon.

"why do you run puny ork"
"im not runnin ya ugly git, an i cant die. Da ork gods wont let us die 'ere"
"Fool! this is the realm of Khorn! God of slaughter! Lord of Battles! The Blood God!"
"HA! u'z dunno wot yer talkin' bout, da orks are da lords of battle. we wuz made fer killin 'n slotter."
With a cry of "Blood for the Blood God!" the enormous daemon charged. Zogwitz met the daemon head on and fought with all the skill, tricks, and dirty cheats he knew. and in the end was victorious. Standing over the broken daemon Zogwitz reached down with his power claw and decapitated it while grinning and saying "Yes, Blud fur da Blud Gawd"

The world reeled, something struck Zogwitz, he was knocked flat on his back. An intense pain entered his head, along with an overpowering voice.
"YOU ARE WEAK! I AM THIS WORLD! I AM WHAT TEARS YOU ASUNDER! I AM WHAT MAKES YOU WHOLE!"
Zogwitz became overjoyed... Da ork gods were talking to him!
"I AM KHORN, GOD OF BLOOD, GOD OF DESTRUCTION"
Zogwitz understood now! Da ork gods was pretendin to be this Khorn fellow! smiling to himself at the brilliance that only an ork god could pull off such a ploy he said.
"Great god Khorn, I kill in yer name. I know youz is my god cuz i cant die 'ere. I killed dis big ugly git ova 'ere an dat makes me da boss of dem u'ver gitz, so send me back wit sum o dem u'ver gitz so I can kill da gitz dat can die."

And The Red Waagh! was born.

Crystal, Warrior of Slaanesh...Replaces the Company Commander in a Commpany Command Squad...90pts (?)

WS 4
BS 5
S 3
T 3
W 3
I 6
A 5
Ld 10
Sv 5+

Infantry (Unique)

Special Rules:
Fearless
Favoured of Slaanesh:
Crystal, through her acts of worship and stunning beauty has been gifted with near-immortality by Slaanesh. She has a 5+ Invunerable Save and the Eternal Warrior special rule
Leader of the Traitor Guard:
If included as part of your primary attachment, Crystal is always your Warlord.
Orders:
Crystal may issue up to 3 orders a turn and has access to the 'First Rank, fire! Second Rank, Fire!', 'Incoming!', 'Move! Move! Move!' and 'Get Back in the Fight!' orders as well as 2 special orders listed below
Speed of Slaanesh: All models in the unit have the fleet special rule, and gain +2I until the start of your next shooting phase.
For the Dark Prince!: All models in the unit gain the Zealot rule until the start of your next shooting phase.

Wargear:
Laspistol
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
Flak Armour
Whip of the Dark Prince:
Range -
Str User
AP 5
Type Rending, Whip*
*Whip: One model in base contact has his/her/its A and I stats reduced by 1

Archon Nezra Yllitihian, A succesor the Kabal of the White Flames:
One of the main challengers for the command of one the most influential Kabals in all of Commoragh. Known for being a merciless commander, Nezra has always been destined for greatness and gained great fame for his encounters with the Space Wolves.On the planet Istar IV he encountered Space wolves deployed to bring complience to the world. Luring them into a trap, Nezra and his allies trapped the Wolves and butchered them without pause. When the Wolves, recieved word of the encounter, a large strike force was headed towards the last known location. Still pulsing with adrenaline Nezra decided to meet the force head on. As the wolves charged unto the awaiting Dark Eldar forces, Nezra's trap took fruit, He activated a series of web-way portals in front of the charging wolves, transporting them into wych-cult arenas in Commoragh and where the blood claws stood, Wyches and Reavers came screaming out. The Space Wolf Lord Enthir stood in horror as he watched hundreds of blood claws dissappear. in the void and the rest of his army overrun in a blink of an eye. In a blind rage the Space WolfLord charged into Nezra, and upon reaching his foe, the last of the webways opened engulfing the two. The two appeared in Nezra's personal Wych Cult Arena surrounded by thousands of invigorated Dark Eldar freshly renewed by the slaughter that had happened moments before. There the two warriors battled for all Commoragh to see. Nezra stood ready to accept the fury that was a WolfLord, and when the Wolflord struck out his blows only struck air. Nezra was far too quick and agile for the Wolf Lord and merely danced around him. The crowd erupted in cheer and laughter to see the so-called Lord fumble around like a calf-ling. Nezra unhooked his weapon, The Fel-Glaive, an ornate weapon crafted by himself, part-sword, part-spear, Nezra was able to wield this weapon with a deadly grace. Supposedly, he practices how many bodies he can cleave in a single swing using traitors. It stands at 6. Like wise, with a thrust of his spear, the internal power systems allow the barbed spear tip to puncture even the hardest of substances and upon exiting rips apart everything it touched. Encircling the Wolf lord, he begins his Dance of Death, a series of a multitude of slashes, thrusts, feints and parrys as he chips away at the guard of the wolf lord. After minutes of probing and testing the guard, the Lord slips and Nezra makes his move. A lightning fast thrust into the square of the Wolf Lord's chest and begins to slowly and torturously sliding the blade up, as his Fel-Glaive slices the Wolf lord in half. Nezra has become known for his use of the web-way portal and his lightning fast attack. He himself has never yet been bested in combat and one day hopes to challenge Vect for control of commaragh.

Nezra Yllithian-200pts

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
8 8 3 3 4 8 5* 10 4+

Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Dodge* Eternal Warrior, Undefeated"

Dodge: To represent how agile Nezra is, He has a 3+ invulnerable save which is increased to a 2+ in Close Combat.

Undefeated: Whenever Nezra issues a challenge, and wins, he immediatly recovers a wound he lost earlier in the game and gains 1 attack. Should he be bested in a challenge, units 2D6+6" must take a Ld minus the amount Nezra lost battle by. Just like determing the Ld test for losing an assault. If they fail they must immediatly fall back, aghast at seeing their Archon fall in battle. Unless they are fearless.

Wargear: Ghostplate, Clone Field, Blast Pistol, Combat Drugs, Web-way Portal, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Haywire Grenades
Fel-Glaive:

The Fel-Glaive is an AP3 power weapon that uses the following profile:
During each assault phase declare which style you are going to use:
Dance of Death, Use the amount of profile attacks to strike against the enemy, you may re-roll to wound to represent the guard of the enemy failing.
Blade Sweep: place a small blast template of Nezra all models at least partially under the template are hit, roll to wound normally.
Lightning Strike: draw a 3" line in any direction from Nezra. All models under the line are hit. This style gives you +2 S and makes your spear AP 1, with Instant Death on a roll to wound of a 6

lepermessiah10 wrote:Archon Nezra Yllitihian, A succesor the Kabal of the White Flames:
One of the main challengers for the command of one the most influential Kabals in all of Commoragh. Known for being a merciless commander, Nezra has always been destined for greatness and gained great fame for his encounters with the Space Wolves.On the planet Istar IV he encountered Space wolves deployed to bring complience to the world. Luring them into a trap, Nezra and his allies trapped the Wolves and butchered them without pause. When the Wolves, recieved word of the encounter, a large strike force was headed towards the last known location. Still pulsing with adrenaline Nezra decided to meet the force head on. As the wolves charged unto the awaiting Dark Eldar forces, Nezra's trap took fruit, He activated a series of web-way portals in front of the charging wolves, transporting them into wych-cult arenas in Commoragh and where the blood claws stood, Wyches and Reavers came screaming out. The Space Wolf Lord Enthir stood in horror as he watched hundreds of blood claws dissappear. in the void and the rest of his army overrun in a blink of an eye. In a blind rage the Space WolfLord charged into Nezra, and upon reaching his foe, the last of the webways opened engulfing the two. The two appeared in Nezra's personal Wych Cult Arena surrounded by thousands of invigorated Dark Eldar freshly renewed by the slaughter that had happened moments before. There the two warriors battled for all Commoragh to see. Nezra stood ready to accept the fury that was a WolfLord, and when the Wolflord struck out his blows only struck air. Nezra was far too quick and agile for the Wolf Lord and merely danced around him. The crowd erupted in cheer and laughter to see the so-called Lord fumble around like a calf-ling. Nezra unhooked his weapon, The Fel-Glaive, an ornate weapon crafted by himself, part-sword, part-spear, Nezra was able to wield this weapon with a deadly grace. Supposedly, he practices how many bodies he can cleave in a single swing using traitors. It stands at 6. Like wise, with a thrust of his spear, the internal power systems allow the barbed spear tip to puncture even the hardest of substances and upon exiting rips apart everything it touched. Encircling the Wolf lord, he begins his Dance of Death, a series of a multitude of slashes, thrusts, feints and parrys as he chips away at the guard of the wolf lord. After minutes of probing and testing the guard, the Lord slips and Nezra makes his move. A lightning fast thrust into the square of the Wolf Lord's chest and begins to slowly and torturously sliding the blade up, as his Fel-Glaive slices the Wolf lord in half. Nezra has become known for his use of the web-way portal and his lightning fast attack. He himself has never yet been bested in combat and one day hopes to challenge Vect for control of commaragh.

Nezra Yllithian-200pts

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
8 8 3 3 4 8 5* 10 4+

Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain, Dodge* Eternal Warrior, Undefeated"

Dodge: To represent how agile Nezra is, He has a 3+ invulnerable save which is increased to a 2+ in Close Combat.

Undefeated: Whenever Nezra issues a challenge, and wins, he immediatly recovers a wound he lost earlier in the game and gains 1 attack. Should he be bested in a challenge, units 2D6+6" must take a Ld minus the amount Nezra lost battle by. Just like determing the Ld test for losing an assault. If they fail they must immediatly fall back, aghast at seeing their Archon fall in battle. Unless they are fearless.

Wargear: Ghostplate, Clone Field, Blast Pistol, Combat Drugs, Web-way Portal, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Haywire Grenades
Fel-Glaive:

The Fel-Glaive is an AP3 power weapon that uses the following profile:
During each assault phase declare which style you are going to use:
Dance of Death, Use the amount of profile attacks to strike against the enemy, you may re-roll to wound to represent the guard of the enemy failing.
Blade Sweep: place a small blast template of Nezra all models at least partially under the template are hit, roll to wound normally.
Lightning Strike: draw a 3" line in any direction from Nezra. All models under the line are hit. This style gives you +2 S and makes your spear AP 1, with Instant Death on a roll to wound of a 6

No. No way. 3+ invul normally, 2+ in combat? even Lelith doesnt have that. And with a clone field as well? you do realise there is a reason you can't normally stack clone field and shadow fields. At least shadowfield fails once you fail 1 save.
And Eternal Warrior on top of that? For 200 points?
No way. No frakking way. Make it 4+ normally, 3+ in combat, ditch eternal warrior, THEN maybe he can be 200. If not you're looking at 300 MINIMUM

OK - first, Your layout is almost painful, MASSIVE block of text is bad, use editing, put in line breaks and paragraphs.
The BG isn't very well written, jumping all over the place and wants tidying up some, with clarifications on certain parts.
The idea is there, it just needs polishing.
Second, he is rather undercosted, You've started with Vects statline, then given him extra crap.
On top of that, you've given him a better dodge roll than Lelith Hesprax AND basically given it a shadowfield that can't be removed ASWELL AS a Clone Field.
Also - did you forget to give him IC, or is he meant to be not an IC?

lepermessiah10 wrote:Archon Nezra Yllitihian, A succesor the Kabal of the White Flames:

Spoiler:

BG: One of the main challengers for the command of one the most influential Kabals in all of Commoragh.
Known for being a merciless commander, Nezra has always been destined for greatness and gained great fame for his encounters with the Space Wolves.
Pretty much ALL DE commanders are merciless, the culture doesn't really promote anything else.

On the planet Istar IV he encountered Space wolves deployed to bring complience to the world. Luring them into a trap, Nezra and his allies trapped the Wolves and butchered them without pause.
When the Wolves, recieved word of the encounter, a large strike force was headed towards the last known location.
Still pulsing with adrenaline Nezra decided to meet the force head on.
So, the Wolves need to here word and then hours / days later when they arrive to respond he's still pulsing with adrenaline from the initial engagement?

As the wolves charged unto the awaiting Dark Eldar forces, Nezra's trap took fruit, He activated a series of web-way portals in front of the charging wolves, transporting them into wych-cult arenas in Commoragh and where the blood claws stood, Wyches and Reavers came screaming out.
The Space Wolf Lord Enthir stood in horror as he watched hundreds of blood claws dissappear. ??? in the void and the rest of his army overrun in a blink of an eye.

In a blind rage the Space WolfLord charged into Nezra, and upon reaching his foe, the last of the webways opened engulfing the two.
The two appeared in Nezra's personal Wych Cult Arena surrounded by thousands of invigorated Dark Eldar freshly renewed by the slaughter that had happened moments before.
Archons don't have personal Wych Cult Arenas, it would be the arena of the Cult that bears his patronage.

There the two warriors battled for all Commoragh to see. Nezra stood ready to accept the fury that was a WolfLord, and when the Wolflord struck out his blows only struck air.
Nezra was far too quick and agile for the Wolf Lord and merely danced around him.
The crowd erupted in cheer and laughter to see the so-called Lord fumble around like a calf-ling. Nezra unhooked his weapon, The Fel-Glaive, an ornate weapon crafted by himself, part-sword, part-spear, Nezra was able to wield this weapon with a deadly grace.
Supposedly, he practices how many bodies he can cleave in a single swing using traitors. It stands at 6. Like wise, with a thrust of his spear, the internal power systems allow the barbed spear tip to puncture even the hardest of substances and upon exiting rips apart everything it touched.

Encircling the Wolf lord, he begins his Dance of Death, a series of a multitude of slashes, thrusts, feints and parrys as he chips away at the guard of the wolf lord.
After minutes of probing and testing the guard, the Lord slips and Nezra makes his move. A lightning fast thrust into the square of the Wolf Lord's chest and begins to slowly and torturously sliding the blade up, as his Fel-Glaive slices the Wolf lord in half.
Nezra has become known for his use of the web-way portal and his lightning fast attack. He himself has never yet been bested in combat and one day hopes to challenge Vect for control of commaragh.
So do most Archons.

FO: HQ
Squad: Archon Nezra Yllitihian
Unit: Nezra Yllitihian, Points Per: 200, Models: 1*, Unit Type: Infantry, WS-8, BS-8, S-3, T-3, W-4, I-8, A-5*, Ld-10, Sv-4+(6+*)/3+*(2+*).
Wargear:
Ghostplate
Clone Field
Blast Pistol
Combat Drugs
Web-way Portal
Phantasm Grenade Launcher
Haywire Grenades
Fel-Glaive

Special Rules:
Fleet
Night Vision
Power from Pain
Dodge 3+*(2+*)
Eternal Warrior
Undefeated"

Fel-Glaive:
The Fel-Glaive is an AP3 power weapon that uses the following profile:
During each assault phase declare which style you are going to use:
Dance of Death: Use the amount of profile attacks to strike against the enemy, you may re-roll to wound to represent the guard of the enemy failing.
Blade Sweep: place a small blast template of Nezra all models at least partially under the template are hit, roll to wound normally.
Lightning Strike: draw a 3" line in any direction from Nezra. All models under the line are hit. This style gives you +2 S and makes your spear AP 1, with Instant Death on a roll to wound of a 6
This is ridiculous, a S5, AP1 hit at I8, that auto-hits 2-3 models AND can hit people / vehicles outside of the combat / snipe specific models? yeeeah

Dodge:
To represent how agile Nezra is, He has a 3+ invulnerable save which is increased to a 2+ in Close Combat.
WHY is he faster than Lelith? There's no reason I can see for this other than to get round the no Clone Field + Shadowfield limit...

Undefeated:
Whenever Nezra issues a challenge, and wins, he immediatly recovers a wound he lost earlier in the game and gains 1 attack.
Should he be bested in a challenge, units 2D6+6" must take a Ld minus the amount Nezra lost battle by.
What units, within 2D6+6" of what?
Just like determing the Ld test for losing an assault. If they fail they must immediatly fall back, aghast at seeing their Archon fall in battle. Unless they are fearless.
The fearless thing is pointless, as they wouldn't need to take it anyway, not that he's EVER going to lose a challenge.

So, you've used Vect as a base, when you really should have used a standard Archon, but hey...
Once you cancel out everything else between Vect and Nezra, and run a SENSIBLE price on the rest, I get this:
Wargear:
Blast Pistol +15
Combat Drugs +10
Web-way Portal +35
Phantasm Grenade Launcher +25
( FG: Lightning Strike ) +45
Special Rules:
Dodge 3+*(2+*) +50
Eternal Warrior +35

TOTAL: +215
If he's meant to an Independent Character an additional +10 for +225.
So we add this to Vects cost and you get 455 (or 465).
Round it up to 460 (470)

Spectral Swords High Captain Caedem.
One of the last surviving loyalist captains and the last loyalist high captains, caedem is the master of urban warfare and firefights, equipped with specialized ammo, a power sword, and artificer armor, he is the tough foe to overcome.


ws bs s t w i a ld sv
4 5 4 4 3 4 3 10 2+

equipment: special issue ammunition, boltgun, powersword, artificer armor, bolt pistol, iron halo.

special rules atsknf, combat tactics, independent character, fire support, preferred enemy tau.

Fire support: If caedem is taken in an army, sternguard veterans count as troop choices.

Pints cost: 175

any ideas on balance?

keltikhoa wrote:Zogwitz Hammasplatta Now known as Prawfut Bludskin, Prawfut of the Red Waaagh!
HQ 210 pts

Spoiler:

Not really sure about this point cost. His stat line is the same as a warboss except +1S. His wargear is equivalent to a 110pt Warboss except he has a 3+ armor instead of 4+. (cybork 5++ = Daemonic 5++) I just added 100pts due to the better armor and strength and his Prawfut of the Red Waaagh! and Not dem gitz! Da u'ver uns! abilities. I honestly have no idea what point value to associate with the two special abilities lol.

WS - 6 BS - 2 S - 5 T - 5 W - 3 I - 4 A - 4 LD - 9 Sv - 3+ 5++

Boss Pole
Power Klaw
shoota/rokkit kombi weapon
Furious charge
mob rule
Waaagh!
Warp Forged Eavy Armor : Created in the Forge of Souls this armor gifts the bearer with a 3+ armor save as well as a 5+ daemonic invulnerable save
Prawfut of the Red Waaagh! : As long as Prawfut Bludskin is on the table, All allied Daemons have the Waaagh! Special rule.
Not dem gitz! Da u'ver uns! : Chaos Daemons are considered battle brothers. Chaos Space Marines are Come the Apocalypse
*note may not take a greater daemon from any god except Khorn.

Warboss = 60 points
+1WS +10
Power Klaw +25
Kombi +5
Warp Forged +20 (I figured 3+ 'eavy armor to be +10 and Cybork body at the normal +10)
Prawfut +15
Not dem, gitz! +20
Total = 155

I feel like those last two are really hard to score. Giving the entire allies section Fleet (beyond the orks who always have it, obviously) is really good. But what if it's a 1000 point game? Well you aren't gonna be using many Daemons in then. BUT whatever, that's how pricing characters go! And I did not subtract points for downgrading CSM, because obviously the whole point of this guy is to take Daemons as allies and not CSM!

While I'm definitely not behind his fluff I'd definitely still play him. I would reword the whole thing to bump up your "Khorne only" section. That should include normal troops.

Artor Amhrad, Chapter Master of the Astral Knights

Artor Amhrad led his Chapter in their final fight against the World Engine. He is remembered as a great Imperial hero who made the ultimate sacrifice, and the Bell of Lost Souls toiled 772 times for him and his lost brothers.

Type: Infantry (unique)

265 points

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: terminator armour, frag and krak grenades, melta bombs, storm shield, chapter banner

Carmine: This weapon was gifted to Amhrad by the Mechanicum for unknown services rendered. It is a rare plasma blaster, a technology not manufactured since the Heresy. Range 18 Strength 7 AP 2 Assault 2

Raptoria: This is the heirloom blade of the Astral Knights. It is famous for being unbreakable, until it shattered in the skull of the Necron Overlord on the World Engine. This is a master-crafted Relic Blade that has the Rending special rule.

Special Rules: Independent Character, Chapter Tactics: Hatred (Necrons), Combat Tactics, ATSKNF

Last Stand: Amhrad made the ultimate sacrifice to cripple the World Engine. When Amhrad loses his last wound in close combat, he detonates his meltabombs to take his foes with him. All enemy units within D6 inches of Amhrad's final position have to pass an initiative test or suffer a single S8 AP1 Melta hit.

Last Fight: Before the Tempestus' inevitable crash into the surface of the world engine, Amhrad opened his private armouries to his brothers to use in their glorious final stand. Any Sergeant may select wargear normally restricted to captains, such as relic blades, digital weapons, etc, at the points cost under the Captain's wargear list. Any tactical squad, assault squad, terminator squad, vanguard squad, sternguard squad may select up to double the usual amount of special or heavy weapons. Eg a 10 man tactical squad may take 2 special and 2 heavy weapons.

psychadelicmime wrote:Spectral Swords High Captain Caedem.

Spoiler:

One of the last surviving loyalist captains and the last loyalist high captains, caedem is the master of urban warfare and firefights, equipped with specialized ammo, a power sword, and artificer armor, he is the tough foe to overcome.


ws bs s t w i a ld sv
4 5 4 4 3 4 3 10 2+

equipment: special issue ammunition, boltgun, powersword, artificer armor, bolt pistol, iron halo.

special rules atsknf, combat tactics, independent character, fire support, preferred enemy tau.

Fire support: If caedem is taken in an army, sternguard veterans count as troop choices.

Pints cost: 175

any ideas on balance?

Not gonna lie, he sucks.

Space Marine Captain = 100 points
-2WS -20 points
-1i -10
Artificer +15
Boltgun w/ Special +10
Power Sword +15
Fire Support +25 (because it's awesome!)
Total = 135

I would not cost him at that, I would actually fix him. Give him the normal WS and Init of a Space Marine Captain (+2 WS, +1i to what he has now) and Frag and Krak Grenades (Why do all SM Characters seem to forget these? ) and leave him at 165

 felixander wrote:


Warboss = 60 points
+1WS +10
Power Klaw +25
Kombi +5
Warp Forged +20 (I figured 3+ 'eavy armor to be +10 and Cybork body at the normal +10)
Prawfut +15
Not dem, gitz! +20
Total = 155

I feel like those last two are really hard to score. Giving the entire allies section Fleet (beyond the orks who always have it, obviously) is really good. But what if it's a 1000 point game? Well you aren't gonna be using many Daemons in then. BUT whatever, that's how pricing characters go! And I did not subtract points for downgrading CSM, because obviously the whole point of this guy is to take Daemons as allies and not CSM!

While I'm definitely not behind his fluff I'd definitely still play him. I would reword the whole thing to bump up your "Khorne only" section. That should include normal troops.

Thanks, ya Prawfut and not dem gitz is really hard to calculate. the reason i placed the Khorne only restriction on only greater daemons was because Fateweaver + Orks would be ridiculous, and i would much prefer ork troops over any daemon troops right now. so restricting ally troops to only bloodletters seems pretty useless. Perhaps something like the herald rule saying he can only join allied troop units that are khorn?

Well by your own fluff he thinks that Khorne is just Gork or Mork. So why would he accept followers of the other Chaos gods?

for the same reason as a daemon player you can take all pink horrors and 2 bloodthirsters. or all Plaguebearers with Fateweaver and a LoC. The idea makes Daemons battle brothers. The fact that Im restricting even the greater daemons is pretty substantial. If Eldrad and Vect can run around as butt buddies (sorry... allies) in the same unit then i dont see the need to limit the daemons any father. Besides they are allies... he may THINK hes the boss but the allied boss is actually what brings troops to the table.

Meh, I'm just of the opinion that just because someone else makes up something stupid doesn't mean you can. I think there absolutely should be a rule disallowing special characters like that.
Also, what makes the Daemons work alongside the Orks to begin with? I get that the Ork thinks they're his BFFs but it doesn't really seem to clarify why the feeling is mutual.
Once again though, not the worst thing out there.

Khorne has a think and says "Hm, join with ultraviolent killy guys, to kill other, Imperial or other xenos guys (or slaanesh "Raaaar!") or other Khorne for extra murdering killy blood, and then! kill the orks!

 felixander wrote:
Meh, I'm just of the opinion that just because someone else makes up something stupid doesn't mean you can. I think there absolutely should be a rule disallowing special characters like that.
Also, what makes the Daemons work alongside the Orks to begin with? I get that the Ork thinks they're his BFFs but it doesn't really seem to clarify why the feeling is mutual.
Once again though, not the worst thing out there.

I know what you mean. the fluff could be refined better. Honestly its just an attempt to make Chaos Orks which i think is a brilliant idea

lol in fact i just had a great idea... instead of Daemon Princes they would have Daemon Nobz! haha

 felixander wrote:

psychadelicmime wrote:Spectral Swords High Captain Caedem.

Spoiler:

One of the last surviving loyalist captains and the last loyalist high captains, caedem is the master of urban warfare and firefights, equipped with specialized ammo, a power sword, and artificer armor, he is the tough foe to overcome.


ws bs s t w i a ld sv
4 5 4 4 3 4 3 10 2+

equipment: special issue ammunition, boltgun, powersword, artificer armor, bolt pistol, iron halo.

special rules atsknf, combat tactics, independent character, fire support, preferred enemy tau.

Fire support: If caedem is taken in an army, sternguard veterans count as troop choices.

Pints cost: 175

any ideas on balance?

Not gonna lie, he sucks.

Space Marine Captain = 100 points
-2WS -20 points
-1i -10
Artificer +15
Boltgun w/ Special +10
Power Sword +15
Fire Support +25 (because it's awesome!)
Total = 135

I would not cost him at that, I would actually fix him. Give him the normal WS and Init of a Space Marine Captain (+2 WS, +1i to what he has now) and Frag and Krak Grenades (Why do all SM Characters seem to forget these? ) and leave him at 165

I forgot about initiative and ws bonuses , thanks for the points fix, will add the grenades!

another character: Scout Sergeant Mulciber, may be bought as an upgrade for a scout squad for 50 points.

ws bs s t w i a ld sv
4 4 4 3 2 4 1 9 4

wargear: eviscerator class sniper rifle, tempestas grenades, tripwired charges.

special rules atsknf, stealth, move through cover, scout.

eviscerator class sniper rifle: this is a sniper rifle that wounds on a 3+.

tempestas grenades: during the shooting or assault step (only one, not both) once per turn, mulciber may throw a tempestas grenade. A tempestas grenade is a strength 5 ap4 blast weapon with a 12 inch range.

tripwired charges: before the game starts the controlling player may select one piece of terrain to booby trap with tripwired charges, he must write down the terrain piece but cannot tell his opponent until his opponent has moved a unit into or onto the booby trapped terrain, once the booby trap is triggered every model in the affected unit suffers a strength 4 ap5 hit, after the booby trap is triggered, it cannot be triggered again, if a vehicle is hit, it suffers one strength 6 ap- hit on it's rear armor.

any idea on balancing?

 King Pariah wrote:
Elrich Gliscayn, The Eternal Hunter

Old even among the Eldar, he left his brethren in disgust long before the Fall in order to sustain what he felt was the duty of the Eldar, to extinguish the Necron menace from the galaxy. Long has he hunted these soulless creatures, destroying several slumbering tomb worlds and successfully delaying the awakening many others. Even now as the Necron menace awakens, Elrich scours the galaxy for tomb worlds, crippling as many tomb worlds as he can before the Eldar race faces their inevitable reckoning.

(Not sure what to put for point cost)

WS6 BS5 S3 T3 W3 A4 I7 Ld10 Sv5+

Special Rules:
Independent Character
Dodge: With heightened reflexes and milenia of experience, Elrich is capable of predicting his opponents next move and dodging them. He benefits from a 4+ invulnerable save.
Fleet
Ancient Rivalry: Elrich has long battled against and studied the Necrons thus understands this opponent very well. Elrich and all pathfinders in an army containing Elrich benefit from Preferred Enemy: Necrons.
Stealth
Ancient Hunter: Elrich knows when it's time to strike for the kill and when it's time to let his prey, persay, bleed out. At the end or start of the assault sub phase, Elrich may move 2D6" away from combat (if he is in any) on a roll of 3+.

Wargear:
Lance of Kurnous: An ancient rifle that legend says the Eldar God Vaul crafted for Kurnous (Eldar God of the Hunt), It is as beautiful a craftsmanship as it is deadly and its deadliness is only multiplied in the hands of Elrich. The Lance of Kurnous has the following profile:
Range: 36" S:X AP:3 Type: Assault 2, Sniper (wounds on a 4+)
Blades of Kurnous: An ancient pair of long hunting knives rumored to have belonged to Kurnous, Elrich uses them with dazzling efficiency when he is forced into close combat. These blades have the following profile:
S:X(Poisoned 4+) AP:- Rending (6+) These blades do not grant Elrich an additional attack upon what his profile dictates.

Just so you know, you don't have to specify the D6 roll Sniper wounds on, nor do you have to denote th rending rolls unless they are unusual., and sniper always wounds on a 4+ and rending always tends on a 6.

 McNinja wrote:

Spoiler:

 King Pariah wrote:
Elrich Gliscayn, The Eternal Hunter

Old even among the Eldar, he left his brethren in disgust long before the Fall in order to sustain what he felt was the duty of the Eldar, to extinguish the Necron menace from the galaxy. Long has he hunted these soulless creatures, destroying several slumbering tomb worlds and successfully delaying the awakening many others. Even now as the Necron menace awakens, Elrich scours the galaxy for tomb worlds, crippling as many tomb worlds as he can before the Eldar race faces their inevitable reckoning.

(Not sure what to put for point cost)

WS6 BS5 S3 T3 W3 A4 I7 Ld10 Sv5+

Special Rules:
Independent Character
Dodge: With heightened reflexes and milenia of experience, Elrich is capable of predicting his opponents next move and dodging them. He benefits from a 4+ invulnerable save.
Fleet
Ancient Rivalry: Elrich has long battled against and studied the Necrons thus understands this opponent very well. Elrich and all pathfinders in an army containing Elrich benefit from Preferred Enemy: Necrons.
Stealth
Ancient Hunter: Elrich knows when it's time to strike for the kill and when it's time to let his prey, persay, bleed out. At the end or start of the assault sub phase, Elrich may move 2D6" away from combat (if he is in any) on a roll of 3+.

Wargear:
Lance of Kurnous: An ancient rifle that legend says the Eldar God Vaul crafted for Kurnous (Eldar God of the Hunt), It is as beautiful a craftsmanship as it is deadly and its deadliness is only multiplied in the hands of Elrich. The Lance of Kurnous has the following profile:
Range: 36" S:X AP:3 Type: Assault 2, Sniper (wounds on a 4+)
Blades of Kurnous: An ancient pair of long hunting knives rumored to have belonged to Kurnous, Elrich uses them with dazzling efficiency when he is forced into close combat. These blades have the following profile:
S:X(Poisoned 4+) AP:- Rending (6+) These blades do not grant Elrich an additional attack upon what his profile dictates.

Just so you know, you don't have to specify the D6 roll Sniper wounds on, nor do you have to denote th rending rolls unless they are unusual., and sniper always wounds on a 4+ and rending always tends on a 6.

yeah, I'm sort of new to snipers, never used them. Have some deathmarks but they have yet to see combat.

psychadelicmime wrote:
another character: Scout Sergeant Mulciber, may be bought as an upgrade for a scout squad for 50 points.

ws bs s t w i a ld sv
4 4 4 3 2 4 1 9 4

wargear: eviscerator class sniper rifle, tempestas grenades, tripwired charges.

special rules atsknf, stealth, move through cover, scout.

eviscerator class sniper rifle: this is a sniper rifle that wounds on a 3+.

tempestas grenades: during the shooting or assault step (only one, not both) once per turn, mulciber may throw a tempestas grenade. A tempestas grenade is a strength 5 ap4 blast weapon with a 12 inch range.

tripwired charges: before the game starts the controlling player may select one piece of terrain to booby trap with tripwired charges, he must write down the terrain piece but cannot tell his opponent until his opponent has moved a unit into or onto the booby trapped terrain, once the booby trap is triggered every model in the affected unit suffers a strength 4 ap5 hit, after the booby trap is triggered, it cannot be triggered again, if a vehicle is hit, it suffers one strength 6 ap- hit on it's rear armor.

any idea on balancing?

Well for starters is there a reason he has one less T and A than a normal Scout Sergeant? Do you want him to replace Scout Sergeant?
MINOR: I don't like the name Eviscerator Sniper Rifle. An Eviscerator is a giant 2h chainsword. So I (personally) imagine that duct taped on a sniper rifle Once again that's just me!


EDIT: To clarify I meant Toughness and Attack, not the "other" T and A.

 felixander wrote:

Well for starters is there a reason he has one less T and A than a normal Scout Sergeant?

EDIT: To clarify I meant Toughness and Attack, not the "other" T and A.

hahaha one less T and A... maybe he is using one of the new daemonette models as a scout sergeant

 keltikhoa wrote:

 felixander wrote:

Well for starters is there a reason he has one less T and A than a normal Scout Sergeant?

EDIT: To clarify I meant Toughness and Attack, not the "other" T and A.

hahaha one less T and A... maybe he is using one of the new daemonette models as a scout sergeant

na, then it would be -4Strength

Torah the Berserk of the Bengal Warriors chapter (Space Wolves rules used with this chapter)

WS 5
BS 3
S 5
T 4
W 4
I 4
A 5
LD 10
Sv +3

Points: 270 I think is fair but I may be wrong of course lol

Wargear: Bestial Ax of Cincinnatus, Jump Pack, bolt pistol, Titan Bane Armor

Special Rules:

Bestial Ax of Cincinnatus: Forged at the heart of the Bengal Warrior's chapter home world the Bestial Ax of Cincinnatus was made specifically for cleaving large foes and monstrous titans. The power of the weapon's strike has felled many of mighty beasts and can easily tear through the hide of Torah's largest enemies. The Bestial Ax of Cincinnatus counts as a master crafted Thunder Hammer.

Monster Hunter: Torah gained fame in the Imperium through his numerous bouts with beasts much larger than himself. His numerous incursions with monstrous enemies has given him a unique insight on how best to fell large enemies. This has also given him a tendency to seek out the largest and most terrifying beasts on the battlefield. Torah always hits on 3's against all enemy walkers or models with toughness 5 or higher and may re-roll any failed to hit rolls. However if any of these enemy models are within 6 inches of Torah he and his retinue must always charge that enemy on that turn. Torah must always declare a challenge and can never decline it against enemies of this type. He cannot resist the urge to add to his reputation.

Counter Attack: Self explanatory

Titan Bane Armor: Because of Torah's numerous battles with enemies much larger than himself the Tech Priets of Cincinnatus have forged special armor for Torah to help him avoid severe wounds against his large foes. Titan Bane Armor gives Torah a +4 invulnerable save.

Bestial Veteran: Despite being stabbed, slashed, gutted and chomped on on numerous occasions against monsters in the past Torah has never been slain by one of them. This special rule gives Torah the Eternal Warrior special rule.

And They Shall Know No Fear: Self explanatory.


Background:
Among the Bengal Warriors chapter's many famous heroes and champions few have quite the ferocity and brutality of Torah the Berserk. Starting out as a young hot headed welp of the Sky Claws (Kept the name of that unit for this chapter) Torah always ran into battle with careless abandon slaying foe after foe. As he matured he began to see his enemies in a very simple point of view: the bigger enemy the bigger the kill. Eventually Torah began attacking more and more large enemies often times abandoning his squad mates and disobeying his commanding lord's orders to fight large beasts or enemy Walkers. Despite his notoriety, his insane quest for beast slaying helped him move up the ranks of the Bengals Warriors chapter and he became a part of a Tiger Guard retinue of his 2nd company lord, Carsonis Tiger Born. It was under Carsoni's tutelage that Torah began to learn more of the disciplined side of combat and began to study the art of war and tactics.

It was some years later after becoming a Tiger Guard that Torah finally gained a name for himself during a campaign against hive fleet Levithan. Torah again traveled with Carsonis to help liberate planets along the fringe of the Imperium and helped Carsonis slay many foes. But it was on one fateful day of that campaign when the hive fleet unleashed there largest beasts upon the Bengal Warriors Chapter that the hour grew desperate for the them. During the battle wave after wave of Trygons attacked Carsonis's retinue slaying all but Torah and himself. The two fought valiantly but in the final moment Carsonis was slain and for a small measure of time on the battlefield all hope was lost. Filled with rage at the site of his fallen mentor and battle brother Torah charged at the enemy head on slaying all the remaining Trygons on the battlefield in brilliant and ferocious fashion. Torah's display of courage and brutality reignited the morale in the remaining troops of the 2nd company and the Imperial defenders and the Tyranid menace was pushed back and the campaign was eventually won.

After it was over, Torah was promoted to Lord of the 2nd company and took up Carsonis's mantle. He would continue his beast slaying ways slaying more large Tyranid foes in campaigns against hive fleet Kraken and hive fleet Behemoth, then mega armored Warbosses in numerous battles against the Orcs, and monstrous daemon princes against the dreaded legions of Chaos. Torah's hot-headedness and need to add to his saga of monster hunting has gotten him and those accompanying him into battle into numerous difficult and dangerous situations, in some cases his entire retinue eaten alive by the monsters he seeks to slay. But despite his insane quest to kill the largest beasts on the battlefield Torah has a mind for the battlefield and has rarely been defeated and always comes out the victor against enemies twice his size or more.

Because of his blood lust for monster slaying, Torah is always is always seen flying with a jump pack to get to the enemy quicker and is always seen flying with a retinue of other hot headed Sky Claws willing to risk their well being alongside Torah to continue their never ending quest to slay the biggest and toughest beasts to enter their line of vision on the battlefield.


Yeah came up with this story for my Wolf...er Tiger Lord after numerous occasions of this guy just merking Trygons and other large enemies on the battlefield during games so I hope you enjoyed reading my fluff. Here's a few pics of him =D

@Kilted Samurai: Not bad, but monster hunter is already a special in sixth edition. Other than that, he seems ok.

 McNinja wrote:
@Kilted Samurai: Not bad, but monster hunter is already a special in sixth edition. Other than that, he seems ok.

lol whoops haven't read all the new special rules yet but in any case replace Monster Hunter with something like that in name i guess. Lol it's all made up in the end though so who cares.

What I mostly see in this thread Is people making their own 40 k chars which are uber awesome, huge points costs
All marneus - Logan - Abby etc wannabes. guys we play warhammer not herohammer.

Not all the characters are soo OTT.

Some of us make balanced / cheaper characters.

But yes, a good chunk of it is somewhat samey.

Someone should make a mediocre man; everything becomes mediocre. Like the depressing gun from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

 avedominusnox wrote:
What I mostly see in this thread Is people making their own 40 k chars which are uber awesome, huge points costs
All marneus - Logan - Abby etc wannabes. guys we play warhammer not herohammer.

That is definitely not true. There have been a good bit of models who have been reasonably priced under 200 who are INTERESTING and balanced. However, certain people do post a ton of just non-unique characters that are all stupidly over-powered, sadly. And especially the unoriginal or "This guy was in a book so I'll make a sheet for him"

Bryenth, Phantom amongst the Stars

Bryenth was a renowned hunter amongst the Necrontyr, famous for taking on seemingly impossible prey alone. When the biotransference came along, it was inevitable that he'd join the ranks amongst the Deathmarks, however, he was fortunate enough to be allowed to retain his skill.

One Deathmark squad in the army may upgrade a model to Bryenth for 51 points

WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W1 I2 A2 Ld10 Sv 3+

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear:
Synaptic Disintegrator
Void blades

Special Rules:
Deep Strike
Infiltrate
Ethereal Interception
Ethereal Ambush: When entering play via Deep Strike as according to Ethereal Interception, Bryenth and his unit of Deathmarks may fire upon an enemy unit that has been marked as according to the rule Hunters from Hyperspace.
Hunters from Hyperspace
Reanimation Protocols
Stealth

 avedominusnox wrote:
What I mostly see in this thread Is people making their own 40 k chars which are uber awesome, huge points costs
All marneus - Logan - Abby etc wannabes. guys we play warhammer not herohammer.

I would definitely suggest looking through the thread. While some of my characters are Calgar-esque in point cost, I did create Guardsman Steve and The Vessel, so there are at least two units in this thread that aren't OP with huge point costs.

Well, aside from the ones in the OP of this thread.


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 Decio wrote:
Someone should make a mediocre man; everything becomes mediocre. Like the depressing gun from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Marneus "Mundane" Mediocre...............................however many points. Like 100 or so. Whatever.
Marneus Mediocre is the blandest, most mediocre man in the entire Imperium. Rising through the ranks of that one chapter he's a part of, his banality knows no bounds. It is whispered that he is so massively adequate his very presence kills any emotion around him, turning even the most rabid berzerker into a lackadaisical, barely competent, blasé couch potato. Those who he goes to war with oftentimes send him out ahead of the main force, if only to have him get captured so the enemy will turn into mediocre soldiers.

...WS...BS...S...T...W...I...A...Ld...Sv
......3.....3.....4...4....3...4...4...10....4+
FOC: I mean, I guess he could be an HQ, if you want.
Composition: 1 (Not really unique)
Wargear:
Axe of Banality- Crafted by the most apathetic Artificer he barely looked for, the Axe of Banality has slain everything from the rowdiest sheep to the most crafty and swift of horseflies. This is a power axe with AP3.
Aegis of Adequacy- Forged in the fires of his living room, this rather unimpressive armor was crafted by Marneus himself. However, his skills are rather mediocre, so the armor is relatively sub-par. This is a suit of Power armor that confers a 4+ armor save.
Bolter

Special Rules:
And They Shall Know No Fear
Aura of Indifference- All models, friendly and enemy, within 12" of Marneus hit (in close combat and shooting) on a 5+, unless it would normally be worse.
Combat Tactics

I'd have done that differently. I guess.

Soemthing like make his statline an exact average of every infantry model in the game, given him a 4+ armour save along with nothing more than a basic CCW and basic Assault 1 Str4 24" range weapon. Special rule? Makes everything happen on a 4+ in an area around him.

King Pariah wrote:Bryenth, Phantom amongst the Stars

Bryenth was a renowned hunter amongst the Necrontyr, famous for taking on seemingly impossible prey alone. When the biotransference came along, it was inevitable that he'd join the ranks amongst the Deathmarks, however, he was fortunate enough to be allowed to retain his skill.

One Deathmark squad in the army may upgrade a model to Bryenth for 51 points

WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W1 I2 A2 Ld10 Sv 3+

Unit Type: Infantry

Wargear:
Synaptic Disintegrator
Void blades

Special Rules:
Deep Strike
Infiltrate
Ethereal Ambush: When entering play - whether by Deep Strike or Outflanking - Bryenth and his unit of Deathmarks may assault an enemy unit. This initial strike is resolved at I10 as the enemy never saw them coming. All following rounds of combat are resolved at the normal initiative step.
Hunters from Hyperspace
Reanimation Protocols
Stealth

I like the idea of a master hunter deathmark, but I don't like it how he turns a shooty unit into an assaulting one. Remember that if they enter via deep strike, even with this rule they can't shoot and assault as their Synaptic Disintigrators are Rapid Fire weapons. I'd maybe just make Ethereal Ambush this: "When ~ and his unit enters the battlefield, if they marked an enemy unit with the Hunters from Hyperspace ability, they may immediately shoot at that unit at full ballistic skill, even if they entered the battlefield during an opponents turn". This actually makes the character useful, as his ability doesn't negate the purpose of his squad, which is to shoot and shoot well. I'd also consider making it so the ability only works if they entered the battlefield on an opponents turn, just as an element of cool factor and to prevent units from being able to shoot twice in the same turn.

McNinja wrote:
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I like the idea, but I would maybe make him have an ability which makes every large dice roll automatically become the statistically average result:

Power of Averages - The dice gods are not welcome where Marneus stands, and everything around him seems to occur in the most average way it possibly could. As long as Marneus is on the battlefield, or inside a transport that is on the battlefield, instead of rolling any die when performing an action, determine the statistically average result that would occur over time. If there would be a remainder result, roll for the remainder as normal (ex1: charging through open terrain produces an average distance of 7", as the most likely roll on 2D6 is a seven. Ex2: a 10 man space marine squad (BS4) firing 20 bolter rounds will hit 2/3's of the time, producing 12 hits with a remainder of 2. Roll 2D6, and you generate an additional hit for each 3+ rolled).

fix'd

RegalPhantom wrote:



I like the idea, but I would maybe make him have an ability which makes every large dice roll automatically become the statistically average result:

Power of Averages - The dice gods are not welcome where Marneus stands, and everything around him seems to occur in the most average way it possibly could. As long as Marneus is on the battlefield, or inside a transport that is on the battlefield, instead of rolling any die when performing an action, determine the statistically average result that would occur over time. If there would be a remainder result, roll for the remainder as normal (ex1: charging through open terrain produces an average distance of 7", as the most likely roll on 2D6 is a seven. Ex2: a 10 man space marine squad (BS4) firing 20 bolter rounds will hit 2/3's of the time, producing 12 hits with a remainder of 2. Roll 2D6, and you generate an additional hit for each 3+ rolled).

I hadn't even thought of that. I love it.

 avedominusnox wrote:
What I mostly see in this thread Is people making their own 40 k chars which are uber awesome, huge points costs
All marneus - Logan - Abby etc wannabes. guys we play warhammer not herohammer.

lol chill bro it's just all in good fun. I believe the title of the thread was "Your own Unique Characters in 40K" so what did expect to see? If you don't like it you can always go to a different thread lol

Here's one I'm working on.

Tyranid Cerethrope. (stats similar to zoenthrope) Points... 70
ws..bs...S..T..W..I...A...Ld..Sv
3......4....4...4..1...8..1...10...6(2+)

Beast. Independent Character. (elite choice)
Claw and talon, MTC

Creature is a synapse resonator - synapse to 12 inches. May move towards enemy but never assaults.

Synapse, Shadow of Warp

Focused Warp Field gives a 2+ Inv save.
Immune to psykers outside of 12". This is lost if casting shadow.

Casting Shadow: cerethrope may increase synapse by diverting hive mind power
Inv-save 3+; synapse 18, Inv-save 4+ synapse 24. No test required.

Psychic powers, catalyst.

1 defense attack: Only used if assaulted
Hive Warp pulse. Force weapon. R 6" S 10, AP 2
The cerethrope may focus its Hive mind energy in a last stand pulse. This is a psychic attack.
If passed, all figures in base contact are hit. Units in range but not in base contact may reallocate hits. This Includes nids.
Invunerable saves must be repeated.

If the cerethrope survives an assault, it may break off and move 3D6 away from enemies. This move can pass through infantry.

Following this defensive attack and for the next player turn, the cerethrope has no field as it recharges.

 hivepdktyrant wrote:
Here's one I'm working on.

Tyranid Cerethrope. (stats similar to zoenthrope) Points... 70

Spoiler:

ws..bs...S..T..W..I...A...Ld..Sv
3......4....4...4..1...8..1...10...6(2+)

Beast. Independent Character. (elite choice)
Claw and talon, MTC

Creature is a synapse resonator - synapse to 12 inches. May move towards enemy but never assaults.

Synapse, Shadow of Warp

Focused Warp Field gives a 2+ Inv save.
Immune to psykers outside of 12". This is lost if casting shadow.

Casting Shadow: cerethrope may increase synapse by diverting hive mind power
Inv-save 3+; synapse 18, Inv-save 4+ synapse 24. No test required.

Psychic powers, catalyst.

1 defense attack: Only used if assaulted
Hive Warp pulse. Force weapon. R 6" S 10, AP 2
The cerethrope may focus its Hive mind energy in a last stand pulse. This is a psychic attack.
If passed, all figures in base contact are hit. Units in range but not in base contact may reallocate hits. This Includes nids.
Invunerable saves must be repeated.

If the cerethrope survives an assault, it may break off and move 3D6 away from enemies. This move can pass through infantry.

Following this defensive attack and for the next player turn, the cerethrope has no field as it recharges.

While I'm not terribly familiar with Tyranids I have to say no. A 2+ invuln save is one of those things get shot down a lot on here for obvious reasons. Being an Independent Character means you can easily plop him in front of any squad as a firepower soak. Also the Hive Warp Pulse is confusing. Can it be used during the shooting phase while in melee or is it an attack it uses instead of a melee attack? Does it hit everything within 6" or does it have a range of 6"?

Either way I feel like it's too strong because it can easily be dropped in a myaoguiasd spore pod and LOS all the wounds to other guys you stuff him with and then he autodecimates anything he wants.

I would shift its save to 3+, if not 4+ invun, especially at 70pts.

I mean, DE pay 25-30pts for a 2+* on a T3 model.

Ill bite aswell, this is a dark eldar archon i have been dying to actualize for a while.

Barzai Serlineth
Archon stats -1 ws, bs.

Special rule:
shade cloak
Barzai has a 3++ save. In close combat he ignores d3 hits

Shadow affinity: For unbeknownst reasons, barzai has a deep connection to mandrakes, several of the icy figures populate his throne room on a regular basis. He may infiltrate with a squad of mandrakes when they do so. To reperesent his unexplanable kinship with darkness, the mandrakes begin the game with a pain token

Wargear:
Webway portal

runed guantlets.
Two guantlets that count as both a huskblade and soultrap, also they confer an attack for two cc weapons.

In the shooting phase, they confer him the following shooting profile that is counted as a psychic shooting attack which requires no psychic test.
Range: 12" str8 ap2 assault 1 lance

*Focusing and binding his psychic might, barzai is able to
utilize power that should be untouchable to an eldar of the webway thanks to these mysterious adornments.*

270pts

 felixander wrote:

While I'm not terribly familiar with Tyranids I have to say no. A 2+ invuln save is one of those things get shot down a lot on here for obvious reasons. Being an Independent Character means you can easily plop him in front of any squad as a firepower soak. Also the Hive Warp Pulse is confusing. Can it be used during the shooting phase while in melee or is it an attack it uses instead of a melee attack? Does it hit everything within 6" or does it have a range of 6"?

Either way I feel like it's too strong because it can easily be dropped in a myaoguiasd spore pod and LOS all the wounds to other guys you stuff him with and then he autodecimates anything he wants.

The pulse is only used when the cerethrope is assaulted. It hits everything within 6" friend or foe. Remember the cerethrope cannot assault.
It really has no attack, and this pulse could suffer a psyche hazard death.
I would give it lurk in that it travels within a troop, but does not necessaraly have to hide in cover.

The warp field only protects it, and since only one successful wound kills it, I think the 2+ inv is adpropo. If it diverts energy to extend synapse, then it becomes more vunerable.
It gives no cover to troops, but it allows better control of units way out there.

One of my common problems is my opponents focus on the synapse critters quickly. This creature is like taking a comm link.

I alluded to another nid issue is the glut of elites.
What might help is allow support units to be a part of a troop.

Although you could take as a brood, it would follow IG TOEs to allow some critters to be attached to troop choices or even HQ units.
Like Missiles, auto cannons, laz cannons, mortars can equip a troop,

Allow two support nids: zoenthrope, biovore, venomthrope, hive guard, or a cerethrope to augment a troop choice.


For a few more points you could possibly add preferred enemy or other psychic command abilities like onslaught to the cerethrope.

ok dakka here is a buddy of mines character i wanna know what you think of him. real talk. he can bring him cause its a no bs play test but i wanna know what you all think about him and points cost and such fire away. some of us are already very skeptical of it

Romonde
WS 8 BS 5 S 6 T 5(7) W 4 I 6 A 5 LD 10 Sv 2+/3+ inv Point 300

War gear
Daemon Armour : Give a 2+ armour save
Frag Grenade: See 40k rule book
Blight Grenades: These are defensive grenades, which mean that enemy units do not gain there, bonus attacks for charging if they are assaulting.
Chaos Bike: See 40k rule book
Vere Umbrae: Is a Daemon Weapon given to him by Malal. It adds an extra 2D6 attacks rather then a d6. In close combat with vehicles it will penetrate on 4+. Any wounds caused on the enemy inflict instant death, regardless of the targets toughness. Can be fired in the shooting phase with the following profile. If two 1 are rolled at the same time when checking for number of extra attack. Malal pull Romonde back to the warp. Remove from battle field.
Range 24" Strength 3 AP 2 Type Assault 2d6
Special Rules

Fearless: See 40k rule book
Independent Character: See 40k rule book
Blessing of the Gods: Immune to all enemy and alias psychic power and Stat changes.
Lord of Bikes: Chaos Bikers count as troop and as fast attack
Warp Riders: Romonde and the unit he join are place in reserve. Even in missions that do not normally allow. Romonde and his unit follow all Deep Strike rules. Once deployed they are free to act as normal(my move, shot, and assault)
Mark of True Chaos: Stats have been moded. Warptime always on

Seems balanced enough

My initial reaction is that's ridiculous.
Going by Dark Eldar standards... that should probably be another 50-100pts looking over it.
But then I'm not entirely up on Chaos, and am too tired to do up a full blown review right now. (Maybe later.)

Furthermore, that's frankly rather poorly worded and layed out.
Try using a clearer layout like this:

And try.. using better grammar...

Though looking over again, it's mostly formatting, not so much the layout....

Necron Canoptek Overmind

FO: HQ
Squad: 1 Canoptek Overmind (IC)
Points Per: 300
Unit Type: Jump MC
Stats: WS5, BS4, S6, T6, W4, I2, A5, Ld10, Sv2+.
Wargear: Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, MSS, Heat Ray
Special Rules: Wraithflight, Canoptek Overmind

Canoptek Overmind: Any Canoptek unit (Spyders, Scarabs or Wraiths) May be taken as troops.

Points breakdown

 Ovion wrote:
My initial reaction is that's ridiculous.
Going by Dark Eldar standards... that should probably be another 50-100pts looking over it.
But then I'm not entirely up on Chaos, and am too tired to do up a full blown review right now. (Maybe later.)

Furthermore, that's frankly rather poorly worded and layed out.
Try using a clearer layout like this:

Spoiler:

FO:
Squad:
Unit: , Points Per: , Models: , Unit Type: , WS-, BS-, S-, T-, W-, I-, A-, Ld-, Sv-.
Wargear:
Special Rules:

Options:

And try.. using better grammar...

yea he posted it on fB so his words not mine. i also am not up on chaos so idk whats balanced or no. just looking for insight

Though looking over again, it's mostly formatting, not so much the layout....

 Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
ok dakka here is a buddy of mines character i wanna know what you think of him. real talk. he can bring him cause its a no bs play test but i wanna know what you all think about him and points cost and such fire away. some of us are already very skeptical of it

Romonde
WS 8 BS 5 S 6 T 5(7) W 4 I 6 A 5 LD 10 Sv 2+/3+ inv Point 300

Spoiler:

War gear
Daemon Armour : Give a 2+ armour save
Frag Grenade: See 40k rule book
Blight Grenades: These are defensive grenades, which mean that enemy units do not gain there, bonus attacks for charging if they are assaulting.
Chaos Bike: See 40k rule book
Vere Umbrae: Is a Daemon Weapon given to him by Malal. It adds an extra 2D6 attacks rather then a d6. In close combat with vehicles it will penetrate on 4+. Any wounds caused on the enemy inflict instant death, regardless of the targets toughness. Can be fired in the shooting phase with the following profile. If two 1 are rolled at the same time when checking for number of extra attack. Malal pull Romonde back to the warp. Remove from battle field.
Range 24" Strength 3 AP 2 Type Assault 2d6
Special Rules

Fearless: See 40k rule book
Independent Character: See 40k rule book
Blessing of the Gods: Immune to all enemy and alias psychic power and Stat changes.
Lord of Bikes: Chaos Bikers count as troop and as fast attack
Warp Riders: Romonde and the unit he join are place in reserve. Even in missions that do not normally allow. Romonde and his unit follow all Deep Strike rules. Once deployed they are free to act as normal(my move, shot, and assault)
Mark of True Chaos: Stats have been moded. Warptime always on

300 points? He's funny.

I wouldn't let him run it for under 400 as is, and honestly just wouldn't let him run it, even if he was my best friend. It does nothing but make it Hero Hammer. If that's what you guys wanna play ok, but you better be running an equally overpowered Hero.





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 IHateNids wrote:
Necron Canoptek Overmind

Spoiler:

FO: HQ
Squad: 1 Canoptek Overmind (IC)
Points Per: 300
Unit Type: Jump MC
Stats: WS5, BS4, S6, T6, W4, I2, A5, Ld10, Sv2+.
Wargear: Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, MSS, Heat Ray
Special Rules: Wraithflight, Canoptek Overmind

Canoptek Overmind: Any Canoptek unit (Spyders, Scarabs or Wraiths) May be taken as troops.

Points breakdown
[spoiler]
C'tan Shard: ......................185
-1 S/T: -20 ..........................165
-2 I: -20 ...............................145
+1 WS: +10 ........................155
-1 BS: -10 ...........................145
SW: +15 ..............................160
PS: +45 ...............................205
Whips: +5 ...........................210
MSS: +15 ............................225
Heat Ray: +10 ...................235
Overmind: +25 ..................260
Anything missed: +10 .....270
Cool Tax: +30 ...................300

Looks like a cool idea, I called up my buddy to double check some stuff as I'm not 100% on Necrons stuff but we agreed on this.

Whips need to be 10 like it is for Wraiths. It's a reaaaalllly good upgrade for him
Phase Shifter should have the price dropped as it's going from 4++ to 3++ rather than from nothing. Maybe 20?
You didn't charge for Wraithflight which should be a big cost for a model like this. 30?
Heat Ray for 10 points? You're trippin! Dual shot MultiMelta or heavy flamer? For 10 points? 30 if you ask me. Thing just cracks open tanks for him to charge into.
Overmind is a cool idea, but not behind makin' Spyders as Troops. They'd be awesome, but I just don't see it. That's a personal thing though! Also just as a side note Swarms can't score, right?
-10 for "missed stuff"
+5 whips
-25 Phase S
+30 Flight
+10 Heat Ray

So I'm looking at just an extra 10 points total. I'd roll it into the Cool Tax cost and keep it at 300, but as I've pointed out before I like getting to the location by the same path. Obviously I'm all ears to hear feedback on your thoughts, especially since I'm not an expert on Necrons and am not the Judge of this thread =P

Commander Blastpath Shas'O Re'alleh @225p
WS 2 BS 5 S5 T5 W4 I2 A2 LD10 SV 2+

A highly skilled XV-88 pilot who is promoted to Commander, in order to participate in a unique field test of a powerful broadside based command suit.

XV88-8X Experimental Command Broadside Battlesuit (2+ Save)
2x Twinlinked Railguns (Two underslung arms, 2 shoulder)
Hardwired Drone Controller
2x Experimental IDX-22 Shield Drones (3+ Invul)
Hardwired Multitracker
Custom Med-injector (Grants FNP, once per game, successful FNP save while Blastpath has 2 or less wounds, heals him to full 4 wounds)

USR's
Slow and Purposeful
Independant Character

Point Justification: Standard Broadside + Additional Railguns + Wargear = 200 + Med Injector Special Function =225

 Cottonjaw wrote:
Commander Blastpath Shas'O Re'alleh @225p
WS 2 BS 5 S5 T5 W4 I2 A2 LD10 SV 2+

Spoiler:

A highly skilled XV-88 pilot who is promoted to Commander, in order to participate in a unique field test of a powerful broadside based command suit.

XV88-8X Experimental Command Broadside Battlesuit (2+ Save)
2x Twinlinked Railguns (Two underslung arms, 2 shoulder)
Hardwired Drone Controller
2x Experimental IDX-22 Shield Drones (3+ Invul)
Hardwired Multitracker
Custom Med-injector (Grants FNP, once per game, successful FNP save while Blastpath has 2 or less wounds, heals him to full 4 wounds)

USR's
Slow and Purposeful
Independant Character

Point Justification: Standard Broadside + Additional Railguns + Wargear = 200 + Med Injector Special Function =225

Uuuuhhhh gonna need some clarification on your points justification. "UUHhhh Broadside costs some points, threw some on top for the extra guns. Then some more for Wargear. And uh I got a number because.... science." doesn't seem like a seller to me


This guy is powerful, especially when he shoots at a command squad and gets a 6 to hit as he can allocate it and insta gib most ICs! But I wouldn't say over the top and at least typical of what you'd expect of a Tau gun-head, if not a little too typical

Just because I play Alpha Legion and I just converted up the twins

Alpharius and Omegon, Twin Primarchs of the Alpha Legion

Points cost: 350 each

Type(both): Infantry (unique)

Alpharius: WS7 BS7 S6 T5 W4 I6 A5 Ld10 Sv3+

Omegon: WS7 BS7 S6 T5 W4 I6 A5 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear(both): power armor, bolter, bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades, power swords, iron halos

Special Rules(both): Independent Character, Fearless, Stealth, Infiltrate

Legion Tactics: All friendly Alpha Legion units gain the Stealth, Infiltrate, Move through cover special rules.

I am Alpharius: Whenever either Alpharius or Omegon are removed from play as a casualty, roll a D6. On a 2+, you may replace any other Astartes model in power armor not carrying a special or heavy weapon or a special close combat weapon other than a power sword, with whichever twin was removed. On a 1, the enemy has gotten lucky and incapacitated one of the actual primarchs.

Primarch(s): Alpharius and Omegon both have the Eternal Warrior and FNP special rules. Attacks made by Alpharius and Omegon benefit from the Rending, Shred, Hatred and Preferred Enemy special rules. In addition, Alpharius and Omegon cause Fear. Units that are normally immune to Fear, such as those with the ATSKNF or Fearless special rules, will still be subject to Fear. Fear tests caused by Alpharius and Omegon are taken at -4 to Ld, and must be re-rolled if successful. Finally, Alpharius and Omegon are immune to Fear, regardless of the source (another primarch, for example)

Twins: If Alpharius and Omegon are taken together in the same unit, they may each re-roll a single save per turn. In addition, Look Out Sir saves for either are automatically passed, and these wounds are automatically re-allocated to the other twin.

I think primarchs should have Assault 2 Bolters instead of Bolt Pistols. Boltguns are tiny in the hands of a primarch.

Primarchs need a 2+ save.

"I am Alpharius" should probably be a 3+.

While waiting for my Ordered CCS to come so I can build my HQ for my renegade guard, I wanted to present to you my Company commander.he will not be the real deal of homebrew SC but it's just fun cause I needed a motivation to think how to build most characterful models in the army.
He is basically build around straken with some changes.
So i present to you Renegade commander Bane.
(i ll make sure when I ll finish converting my whole 1750 pts army I ll make a blog).

Bane

Unit type: infantry (unique)
Ws5 Bs3 S6 T4 W3 I4 A4 Ld10 Sv3+

Wargear: flak armor, krak and frag grenades, shotgun, refractor field.

Special rules:
Combat drugs: At the beginning of the game right after deploying bane and his CCS roll a dice.On result of 4+ the drugs injected in banes veins are strong. For the whole game bane benefits from rage, Furious charge and FNP. If you roll 1 the drugs are low and banes body cannot sustain the lack of the dose. All statistics are -1 for the whole game except from wounds.

A life imprisoned: bane has been imprisoned for more than 20 years in one of the most brutal prison facilities the IG has.
He has seen death past many times before his eyes. Bane has the fearless USR and he confers it to his squad.

Not much of an officer: Bane is more a renegade warband leader than an officer. He cannot by that use the orders a normal commander can.
He can however use the "Get back in the fight" order and also "Fight for me and i ll give you venom!" order, which gives the unit ordered a d6 immediate move and makes it fearless until the beginning of your next turn. Bane can issue 2 orders per turn.

Strongest man alive: Bane has taken so many combat drugs than even his DNA is altered, he has worked out his body so much that he is as tall as an astartes. Bane benefits from a 3+ save, his strength is boosted as included on his profile and his attacks ignore armor saves and also he adds d6 when rolling for armor penetration.

Fanatical devotion: Bane is a fanatic and pursues imperials and loyalists everywhere as he blames them for his hard life in prison.
Everyone who follows him will fight for him and die as all heretics that are members of the warband Have adapted his beliefs.
He gives furious charge and counter attack to all friendly units within 12".

I think he can be costed at 120 pts. He is 25 points higher than straken.
What do you think guys?

 felixander wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
Necron Canoptek Overmind

Spoiler:

FO: HQ
Squad: 1 Canoptek Overmind (IC)
Points Per: 300
Unit Type: Jump MC
Stats: WS5, BS4, S6, T6, W4, I2, A5, Ld10, Sv2+.
Wargear: Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, MSS, Heat Ray
Special Rules: Wraithflight, Canoptek Overmind

Canoptek Overmind: Any Canoptek unit (Spyders, Scarabs or Wraiths) May be taken as troops.

Points breakdown
[spoiler]
C'tan Shard: ......................185
-1 S/T: -20 ..........................165
-2 I: -20 ...............................145
+1 WS: +10 ........................155
-1 BS: -10 ...........................145
SW: +15 ..............................160
PS: +45 ...............................205
Whips: +5 ...........................210
MSS: +15 ............................225
Heat Ray: +10 ...................235
Overmind: +25 ..................260
Anything missed: +10 .....270
Cool Tax: +30 ...................300

Looks like a cool idea, I called up my buddy to double check some stuff as I'm not 100% on Necrons stuff but we agreed on this.

Whips need to be 10 like it is for Wraiths. It's a reaaaalllly good upgrade for him
Phase Shifter should have the price dropped as it's going from 4++ to 3++ rather than from nothing. Maybe 20?
You didn't charge for Wraithflight which should be a big cost for a model like this. 30?
Heat Ray for 10 points? You're trippin! Dual shot MultiMelta or heavy flamer? For 10 points? 30 if you ask me. Thing just cracks open tanks for him to charge into.
Overmind is a cool idea, but not behind makin' Spyders as Troops. They'd be awesome, but I just don't see it. That's a personal thing though! Also just as a side note Swarms can't score, right?
-10 for "missed stuff"
+5 whips
-25 Phase S
+30 Flight
+10 Heat Ray

So I'm looking at just an extra 10 points total. I'd roll it into the Cool Tax cost and keep it at 300, but as I've pointed out before I like getting to the location by the same path. Obviously I'm all ears to hear feedback on your thoughts, especially since I'm not an expert on Necrons and am not the Judge of this thread =P

Just as a note, C'Tan Shards (which are what he is using as his base) already have a better version of Wraithflight, so it was included in the cost. I also think that the model is over-costed by about 10 to 20 points, even with the custom model tax, and would be ok seeing this at a price in the 280 - 290 range.

 felixander wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
Necron Canoptek Overmind

Spoiler:

FO: HQ
Squad: 1 Canoptek Overmind (IC)
Points Per: 285
Unit Type: Jump MC
Stats: WS5, BS4, S6, T6, W4, I2, A5, Ld10, Sv2+.
Wargear: Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, MSS, Heat Ray
Special Rules: Immune to natural Lawt, Canoptek Overmind

Canoptek Overmind: Any Canoptek unit (Spyders, Scarabs or Wraiths) May be taken as troops.

Points breakdown
[spoiler]
C'tan Shard: ......................185
-1 S/T: -20 ..........................165
-2 I: -20 ...............................145
+1 WS: +10 ........................155
-1 BS: -10 ...........................145
SW: +15 ..............................160
PS: +45 ...............................205
Whips: +5 ...........................210
MSS: +15 ............................225
Heat Ray: +10 ...................235
Overmind: +25 ..................260
Anything missed: +10 .....270
Cool Tax: +30 ...................300

Looks like a cool idea, I called up my buddy to double check some stuff as I'm not 100% on Necrons stuff but we agreed on this.

Whips need to be 10 like it is for Wraiths. It's a reaaaalllly good upgrade for him
Phase Shifter should have the price dropped as it's going from 4++ to 3++ rather than from nothing. Maybe 20?
You didn't charge for Wraithflight which should be a big cost for a model like this. 30?
Heat Ray for 10 points? You're trippin! Dual shot MultiMelta or heavy flamer? For 10 points? 30 if you ask me. Thing just cracks open tanks for him to charge into.
Overmind is a cool idea, but not behind makin' Spyders as Troops. They'd be awesome, but I just don't see it. That's a personal thing though! Also just as a side note Swarms can't score, right?
-10 for "missed stuff"
+5 whips
-25 Phase S
+30 Flight
+10 Heat Ray

So I'm looking at just an extra 10 points total. I'd roll it into the Cool Tax cost and keep it at 300, but as I've pointed out before I like getting to the location by the same path. Obviously I'm all ears to hear feedback on your thoughts, especially since I'm not an expert on Necrons and am not the Judge of this thread =P

I see what you mean about the Phase Shifter, Wraiths have it as standard. The Heat Ray is upped to 20 points. Im not charging the Wraithflight, because again, Wraiths have it as standard (and he is one big-ass wraith). I thought th Whips were a 5point upgrade, my bad.

Now it looks like:

FO: HQ
Squad: 1 Canoptek Overmind (IC)
Points Per: 300
Unit Type: Jump MC
Stats: WS5, BS4, S6, T6, W4, I2, A5, Ld10, Sv2+.
Wargear: Sempiternal Weave, Phase Shifter, Whip Coils, MSS, Heat Ray
Special Rules: Wraithflight, Canoptek Overmind

Canoptek Overmind: Any Canoptek unit (Spyders, Scarabs or Wraiths) May be taken as troops.

Points breakdown

C'tan Shard: ......................185
-1 S/T: -20 ..........................165
-2 I: -20 ...............................145
+1 WS: +10 ........................155
-1 BS: -10 ...........................145
SW: +15 ..............................160
PS: +25 ...............................185
Whips: +10 .........................195
MSS: +15 ............................210
Heat Ray: +20 ....................230
Overmind: +25 ...................255
Cool Tax: +30 .....................285

Edit2: I was going to use a Tomb Stalker as a couns as