Image of the stretch goals, interesting that a) the first is a female predator (which in fairness I like), and b) the first stretch goal is 45k GBP. That's... a bit high. Although, since it is presumably added to the basic game, not wholly out of line...
We have commitment to FOX that the game will be out mid next year, if we get for Salute 2014 that is a bonus.
Inteerrreeesssting.. hmm... Can we speculate why 20th Century Fox would like a release for next year? No other Aliens or Predator films in the pipeline (as far as I know), although didn't they make a release during the summer about 'something big is coming' or some such like, but then never revealed what that big thing was?
RiTides wrote: Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?
That's an excellent question.
I would guess because Prodos still cannot magically teleport it from the UK to Cmon shhessh you us backers have become spolit with all the free shipping you get on most KS
But I will wait before pledging myself as the game looks a little light for the money asked at this time.
No early bird offerings plus extra US shipping cost despite using CMON? This just moved from "zomg! gotta pledge!" to "I'll see where it ends up." I get the feeling that the relative value of the KS preorder (and that's all it is) is going to end up no different than simply ordering from the warstore similar to the Warzone campaign.
RiTides wrote: Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?
Maybe shipping a big box in USA is not for free?
Still have to get everything to the US, and pay CMON for their part. In a way it makes sense. Why should everyone else subsidize CMON'c cut? This way, only folks CMON sends to really pay for that service.
Someone in the comments noticed something a bit puzzling: 3 Predators purchased ala carte are twice as expensive as 5 of anything else. That seems... odd.
I went for Payback time. I'll see how it goes to see if the add ons are worth it to increase or decrease as we go.
I betcha it'll fund in less than an hour.
Sucks for mars attacks though :( I liked that one a lot, but I purposely didn't back it cuz of this and I can really only afford 1 big ticket campaign at the moment. Will definitely check out mars attacks when it hits the shelves though.
If successful this KS project will allows Prodos Games Ltd to produce the AvP The Hunt Begins Board Game (which will be produced in standard plastic 1 piece format for late 2014 release) in a bespoked and limited (to KS) fashion specifically for the model connoisseur and collector alike. We will utilize our Procast model making technique to make the high quality and detail multipose and official 28mm polyurethane miniatures of these seminal icons of screen and prose. As well as the cutting edge miniatures, the KS Exclusive AvP The Hunt Begins Gamers Collection Edition will be packaged in a deluxe KS-only box and include exclusive tokens and cards. If we unlock the stretched goals, the KS project will also allow us to make faction specific themed objective markers as well as a Hardback version of the AvP Wargame Rulebook and speed up our production plans (by over 18 months) meaning we can produce miniatures of, for example, the Predalien, Alien Warriors and even potentially, cyborgs and colonial civilians, well ahead of schedule. In North and South America the KS Pledges will be distributed by CMON.
Colored the really interesting part.
So, retail release might be one piece plastic models, but Kickstarter release is for multi-part, higher quality models? Seems a little odd that those multi-part models wouldn't be made available again later after all the work put into making them, but this is a little vague so they've got room to offer them again. But, the retail release of the game would seem to have simpler models.
Buzzsaw wrote: Someone in the comments noticed something a bit puzzling: 3 Predators purchased ala carte are twice as expensive as 5 of anything else. That seems... odd.
Pretty bl**dy expensive though, regardless. That's full-on resin pricing. Outside of KS, that is.
...They're really going to have include a bunch of stuff via stretch goals for me to stay in for more than just a few aliens... :(
Yes that is a little odd, even if you consider the size you would perhaps expect them to be the same price as aliens or marines, except 3 in a pack rather than 5.
Perhaps it means we will get some cloaking-device predators included in the pack?
Nice to see the short KS length anyway, hopefully this will help it to keep up momentum (and also prevent the issue of people not wanting to spend too much money with Xmas looming).
If successful this KS project will allows Prodos Games Ltd to produce the AvP The Hunt Begins Board Game (which will be produced in standard plastic 1 piece format for late 2014 release) in a bespoked and limited (to KS) fashion specifically for the model connoisseur and collector alike. We will utilize our Procast model making technique to make the high quality and detail multipose and official 28mm polyurethane miniatures of these seminal icons of screen and prose. As well as the cutting edge miniatures, the KS Exclusive AvP The Hunt Begins Gamers Collection Edition will be packaged in a deluxe KS-only box and include exclusive tokens and cards. If we unlock the stretched goals, the KS project will also allow us to make faction specific themed objective markers as well as a Hardback version of the AvP Wargame Rulebook and speed up our production plans (by over 18 months) meaning we can produce miniatures of, for example, the Predalien, Alien Warriors and even potentially, cyborgs and colonial civilians, well ahead of schedule. In North and South America the KS Pledges will be distributed by CMON.
Colored the really interesting part.
So, retail release might be one piece plastic models, but Kickstarter release is for multi-part, higher quality models? Seems a little odd that those multi-part models wouldn't be made available again later after all the work put into making them, but this is a little vague so they've got room to offer them again. But, the retail release of the game would seem to have simpler models.
I bet they will be available as box sets, just won't be included in the base game itself for retail.
RiTides wrote: Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?
That's what? $12? $15? To send a package inside the US. It would be a hell of a lot more if they had to send it from the UK...
I just spent a little over $12 for a medium flat rate box to go from my local post office to an APO address (Postal service gets box to New York, DoD gets it to the recipient in the war zone).
Just because no-one has posted these yet, and they look great! Certainly in the context of how detailed they look, the price doesn't seem unreasonable.
RiTides wrote: Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?
Maybe shipping a big box in USA is not for free?
Still have to get everything to the US, and pay CMON for their part. In a way it makes sense. Why should everyone else subsidize CMON'c cut? This way, only folks CMON sends to really pay for that service.
It does suck, but I get it.
Exactly! And, well, it's not just CMON's cut - it's covering shipping to andwithin the US. And from the perspective of someone who pays shipping on KSas a matter of course, it's fething dirt cheap.
No EBs, so I went in on a "Game Over, Man" level, which I may or may nor keep until the campaign concludes, as it seems more than a little light on models at this point for the price.
RiTides, thanks for pointing that out. If they do any sort of gorgeous plastic board for anything resembling a reasonable price, they'll have all my monies.
So interesting price point, more expensive than GW but less than Kingdom Death at least, not even my inner fan boy is getting me to buy at these prices.
maybe there will be enough additional stuff added to give some value but to much of an unknown quantity at the moment.
I'm guessing this will work in a similar way to many other KS's, where the 'free' reward you get can be spent on the additional miniatures that are available?
Does anyone know what prodos D20 wargaming system is like? Is it decent or is it crap? I have never played a wargame based on a d20 system. Im not interested for the board game, i want this on the tabletop
RiTides wrote: Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?
That's what? $12? $15? To send a package inside the US. It would be a hell of a lot more if they had to send it from the UK...
It would indeed, but that's why they're using CMON.
It's also $16 at the moment, and I'm not sure why there's like 10 of you who jumped on this comment- so let me spell it out for you.
On Warzone, they charged 12 pounds for shipping directly from the UK. On this campaign, they are charging 10 pounds for shipping within the US. That is a clear discrepancy- backers are saving less than 17% on the shipping cost from the last campaign (i.e. international shipping) despite the domestic shipping that CMON provides.
I have backed several UK campaigns, and just paid 13 pounds on one to ship a Very large box (warboards) to the US from the UK. So, I don't know where all these comments are coming from, but that shipping cost is too high for having CMON do it within the US, imo.
If you disagree, that's fine, but please don't speak to me as if I don't back UK / international projects and gladly pay shipping costs on them (I do). Not that you were, Azazel, but more to Kroothawk and the like. They're reducing shipping costs by less than 17% despite shipping them over in a container and then distributing... not sure why they're bothering to do that if the cost savings was so small.
I just shipped PDC's US rewards (as they are UK based) and the cost savings in actual shipping costs was very high by their shipping everything to one location, and then having me ship it all within the US.
Maybe I missed this part .. but for my Payback Time pledge, I get the game + £60 (~$100) of Add-ons + Free "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" reward (~$200).
what's the anytime reward? Does it mean I get $300 worth of add-ons? Or, I get $100 worth of the current add-ons, and $200 worth of stretch goal stuff?
SeanDrake wrote: So interesting price point, more expensive than GW but less than Kingdom Death at least, not even my inner fan boy is getting me to buy at these prices.
maybe there will be enough additional stuff added to give some value but to much of an unknown quantity at the moment.
The KD box contains a lot more stuff to cover that $25 diff. A lot.
Unconvinced thusfar. :-/. Kinda sad about that too.
I don't know what their rules are like but going from the KS descriptions they want you to be able to play larger games. I read that as expanding it beyond the board game on to the tabletop, as the boardgame is like the "intro". Might be wishful thinking though.
Very expensive minis, $5 per colonial marine and $13 for each predator... think I might pass on this one. Certainly no rush to pledge since there's no EB's.
$8 for 3 d20s with a funny face? Ouch. The add-on prices for the aliens/marines/predators seem kind of high, and while the actual models are reasonably pretty, just don't think I'll be backing this one...
Maybe if the gameplay is good, I'll check back later and see how that's come along.
Pacific wrote: ..In for the £75 for the time being..
I'm guessing this will work in a similar way to many other KS's, where the 'free' reward you get can be spent on the additional miniatures that are available?
Saw before your edit - that was pretty unfair - I was mostly talking about how the shipping was quite reasonable for those in the US and explaining why - and I was also far from the first person to notice that the box is light on models. In fact I was about a page late on that particular "bitch".
namiel wrote: Does anyone know what prodos D20 wargaming system is like? Is it decent or is it crap? I have never played a wargame based on a d20 system. Im not interested for the board game, i want this on the tabletop
The dice used aren't going to be of deciding influence on the type of game, really. What's more important is that it's an alternate model activation system, so taking turns activating models (in similar, larger scale games this would be units) until every model(/unit) has been activated. Malifaux would be the best-selling (though, not sure now with M2E ) example of this. Generally, it doesn't scale up to more models(/units) per side very well, but it gives a very involved, fluid skirmish feel. IMO it really pulls you in, and it's the most "real" feeling way to handle this kind of skirmish; either for fantasy, or for modern/scifi with lots of sneaking/moving through corridors. (For completeness: anything involving more or less pitched modern/sci-fi battles is better off with an Infinity or from what I gather of it, SST-like system).
Really though, if you thoroughly dislike it I'm sure all of us will adapt space hulk rules for use with this in a jiffy, and that's known to be a great game
Medium of Death wrote: I don't know what their rules are like but going from the KS descriptions they want you to be able to play larger games. I read that as expanding it beyond the board game on to the tabletop, as the boardgame is like the "intro". Might be wishful thinking though.
Thats exactly what they said. There will be 2 rulesets one for the board game and another for the tabletop. Both based on a d20 system which i have no idea about because i have never used a d20 for a tabletop and curious to see how that will work.
RiTides wrote: They're reducing shipping costs by less than 17% despite shipping them over in a container and then distributing... not sure why they're bothering to do that if the cost savings *TO THE CONSUMER* was so small.
It saves them money and hassle but that savings isn't being passed along with this preorder. You're getting (right now at least) less minis by far than Space Hulk for a 30%+ premium extra charge once you factor in shipping. At that price and that value, I'll simply consider getting it at retail if the manufacturer is cutting out most middlemen but not passing on the savings to the consumer or just play something else using my existing AVP minis and space hulk tiles.
Medium of Death wrote: I don't know what their rules are like but going from the KS descriptions they want you to be able to play larger games. I read that as expanding it beyond the board game on to the tabletop, as the boardgame is like the "intro". Might be wishful thinking though.
Thats exactly what they said. There will be 2 rulesets one for the board game and another for the tabletop. Both based on a d20 system which i have no idea about because i have never used a d20 for a tabletop and curious to see how that will work.
Just for the record:
There will be a boardgame, which in retail version might have plastic miniatures. But there will also be the tabletop game, which needs extra boxes of Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines. So these will be urethan as well, like now the miniatures in the kickstarter box.
BTW, the Alien corridors look good. Still keeping my Battle Systems pledge though.
RiTides wrote: On Warzone, they charged 12 pounds for shipping directly from the UK. On this campaign, they are charging 10 pounds for shipping within the US. That is a clear discrepancy- backers are saving less than 17% on the shipping cost from the last campaign (i.e. international shipping) despite the domestic shipping that CMON provides.
This is an excellent point. It makes me more curious about CMoN's involvement.
namiel wrote: Does anyone know what prodos D20 wargaming system is like? Is it decent or is it crap? I have never played a wargame based on a d20 system. Im not interested for the board game, i want this on the tabletop
The dice used aren't going to be of deciding influence on the type of game, really. What's more important is that it's an alternate model activation system, so taking turns activating models (in similar, larger scale games this would be units) until every model(/unit) has been activated. Malifaux would be the best-selling (though, not sure now with M2E ) example of this. Generally, it doesn't scale up to more models(/units) per side very well, but it gives a very involved, fluid skirmish feel. IMO it really pulls you in, and it's the most "real" feeling way to handle this kind of skirmish; either for fantasy, or for modern/scifi with lots of sneaking/moving through corridors. (For completeness: anything involving more or less pitched modern/sci-fi battles is better off with an Infinity or from what I gather of it, SST-like system).
Really though, if you thoroughly dislike it I'm sure all of us will adapt space hulk rules for use with this in a jiffy, and that's known to be a great game
I honestly dont care what dice it uses. Dice are cheap but I just dont want to get a core set of rules that are garbage. I may be pledging just for some minatures but if this could turn into a game i could enjoy playing then i may invest much more
It would indeed, but that's why they're using CMON.
It's also $16 at the moment, and I'm not sure why there's like 10 of you who jumped on this comment- so let me spell it out for you.
On Warzone, they charged 12 pounds for shipping directly from the UK. On this campaign, they are charging 10 pounds for shipping within the US. That is a clear discrepancy- backers are saving less than 17% on the shipping cost from the last campaign (i.e. international shipping) despite the domestic shipping that CMON provides.
I have backed several UK campaigns, and just paid 13 pounds on one to ship a Very large box (warboards) to the US from the UK. So, I don't know where all these comments are coming from, but that shipping cost is too high for having CMON do it within the US, imo.
If you disagree, that's fine, but please don't speak to me as if I don't back UK / international projects and gladly pay shipping costs on them (I do). Not that you were, Azazel, but more to Kroothawk and the like. They're reducing shipping costs by less than 17% despite shipping them over in a container and then distributing... not sure why they're bothering to do that if the cost savings was so small.
I just shipped PDC's US rewards (as they are UK based) and the cost savings in actual shipping costs was very high by their shipping everything to one location, and then having me ship it all within the US.
I'd imagine that it's likely or at least very possible that they lost some money on US shipping from the previous campaign. I buy a lot of stuff from eBay and postage from the UK can vary wildly depending on the weight. It's possible that they "planned" their WZ shipping rates without taking into account added weight from stretch goals, etc. Here they appear to be going for a more conservative estimate, probably based on a more "fixed weight" sample of the boxed set. Also worth noting is that both USPS and RM have had price increases since the last campaign, and well, I'm sure CMON isn't doing their part out of the goodness of their hearts...
Items shipped from the UK--->US are at risk from customs charges, as are items coming the other way.
By using CMON they are circumventing the risk of US backers getting smacked with a tens of percent customs bill on top of their pledge cost without lying to a government agency.
Ive got the warzone pdf rulebook and had a good flick throught it. Avp is based on the same system. To me it plays like a detailed platoon level game. Loads of cool rules for combat and shooting.
Azazelx wrote: I'd imagine that it's likely or at least very possible that they lost some money on US shipping from the previous campaign.
Excellent counterpoint and probably the most reasonable explanation. I'm not especially troubled by the shipping cost for the KS but it does create some concern regarding the retail release. Or perhaps that is the real substance of an agreement with CMON rather than the KS shipping.
Pacific wrote: ..In for the £75 for the time being..
I'm guessing this will work in a similar way to many other KS's, where the 'free' reward you get can be spent on the additional miniatures that are available?
Saw before your edit - that was pretty unfair - I was mostly talking about how the shipping was quite reasonable for those in the US and explaining why - and I was also far from the first person to notice that the box is light on models. In fact I was about a page late on that particular "bitch".
Wow.. you were fast there.. Completely misread your post, my fault mate and it wasn't a nasty post but hope you didn't take offence at it !
Kroothawk wrote: Just for the record:
There will be a boardgame, which in retail version might have plastic miniatures. But there will also be the tabletop game, which needs extra boxes of Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines. So these will be urethan as well, like now the miniatures in the kickstarter box.
BTW, the Alien corridors look good. Still keeping my Battle Systems pledge though.
So we need to get the product to the US and pay import duty (so you don't have to), then we have to pay CMON to ship within the US. If it was only £10 for all that we would be very happy! I can assure you you can actually times that by 3.
Grot 6 wrote: Wow. This Kickstarter is on par with finding a $100.00 bill in the bottom of a pile of poo.
Your going to get it, but darned if you are going to work for it. I would really like a A V P game, but darn. Tooting the horn a little too much, and the prices are pretty rough.
I'm going to do my usual. Sit back and let my pledge ride, than decide in the last days if I still want/need it and if the final product warrants the amount of money. At this point, for me it doesn't - but that seems to be the way many of these things go nowadays - stripped-down boardgames so that stretch goals can refill them with the rest of the components you'd actually expect...
Pacific wrote: Just because no-one has posted these yet, and they look great! Certainly in the context of how detailed they look, the price doesn't seem unreasonable.
Just want to say now that I see this "Juvenile Warrior" painted (DRONE! It's a damn DRONE! ) I take back the nitpicking of the models earlier in the thread.
Also is it possible to back this campaign if you say, wanted just to get the Alien models? Like if you weren't bothered about getting the boardgame with Marines and Predators? I know it seems a tad daft, but I'm sure I can't be the only one who wouldn't mind just getting a load of these. Especially if it starts to reach the Praetorian level...
Azazelx wrote: I'm going to do my usual. Sit back and let my pledge ride, than decide in the last days if I still want/need it and if the final product warrants the amount of money. At this point, for me it doesn't - but that seems to be the way many of these things go nowadays - stripped-down boardgames so that stretch goals can refill them with the rest of the components you'd actually expect...
That's worth doing if you have an EB definitely, but since there aren't any I think I'll sit this out until the value gets to a reasonable level. It's starting at a very low point, I'm somewhat doubtful it'll get to where I'd need it to be to pledge. Less pledges than expected might make them cough up more/quicker, whereas we saw what raging heroes did - more pledges made them cough up less, and definitely slower ; p
Medium of Death wrote: Also is it possible to back this campaign if you say, wanted just to get the Alien models? Like if you weren't bothered about getting the boardgame with Marines and Predators? I know it seems a tad daft, but I'm sure I can't be the only one who wouldn't mind just getting a load of these. Especially if it starts to reach the Praetorian level...
Pure single army bundles at reasonable value is what I want from this I think. Especially aliens hehe.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Since I'm late to the party, can someone update the OP so I don't have to trawl through 43 pages to get the juicy bits? Please.
Pretty much what's on the KS page. There were some heated debates over which specific iteration of xenomorphs there were and how many toes they had, but nothing huge, I'd say.
Love what i've read of the Warzone rules, so imagining them expanded to a huge scale AVP has me pledging BIG.
The problem is... the prices are indeed ROUGH. I mean... can we get add-ons for the cheap retail plastic version of the models too... because that would be the only conceivable way to field a LOT of rank-and-file units. I'd use resin models for character/leader/etc... units but man... at this prices, my "$400" of add-ons could go quickly and still leave me with what.... 50 models? Wee?
Bolognesus wrote: Oi Prodos, edit the KS link into your opening post. easier to click through for everyone and twenty seconds of work for you
Also, any hints on which stretches will be paid add-ons and which will be free includes (if any)?
You wish is my command
Some and some
Good. On the first, that is.
Second line is a bit cryptic for my taste can we expect a decent amount of additions to the base box? No need to quantify, I understand the need for both flexibility and a little mysteriousness
spiralingcadaver wrote: RiTides, thanks for pointing that out. If they do any sort of gorgeous plastic board for anything resembling a reasonable price, they'll have all my monies.
I actually don't mind the price of the custom D20s at all- those are some hard dice to have custom made, and are pricey even for non-custom ones in cool colors.
I'll be interested in some of the add-on aliens, possibly, but I don't think I'm going to go for the boxed game.
Does anyone know- if you're just buying add-ons, can you select the 10-pound "Anytime" pledge and add them on... or do you have to select that 10-pound pledge, then pay another 10-pounds in shipping, before you can add anything on?
In other words... do you have to pay 20 pounds / $32 for the privilege of purchasing add-ons? I hope not, as that obviously makes it hard for non-UK backers to dip their toe in for just a squad or two. Hopefully, the 10-pound pledge is 10 pounds because that covers the shipping, since otherwise it's just for a PDF I believe? Any clarification from Prodos would be greatly appreciated!
I'm not convinced that the base price is so terrible -- and I was one of the people saying I wouldn't pay Prodos any amount. We were earlier talking about $10/mini and this is actually $5 ... plus that's ignoring that we aren't just talking about minis for that price.
2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.
3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.
I think the price of the minis themeselves are OK when you look at the prices at the bottom of the KS page (the Aliens in particular). I think i get a bit hesitant when it comes to paying for the board game. It'd be great if the did like Marine, Alien and Predator bundles of just the models.
I am finding this KS to be lacking substance and are those prices ridiculous. I wish Prodos luck with this but knowing it is releasing no matter what I am not going in with a big pledge and I am very happy I am backing battle systems.
2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.
3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.
4) The release date is... LATE 2014!!!
Yeah... this has ruined it for me.
Did you pick the GOW box up at a FLGS?
Yeah I dont really have the cash to back AVP atm anyway but even if I did I think the cost is a little to high.
Azazelx wrote: I'm going to do my usual. Sit back and let my pledge ride, than decide in the last days if I still want/need it and if the final product warrants the amount of money. At this point, for me it doesn't - but that seems to be the way many of these things go nowadays - stripped-down boardgames so that stretch goals can refill them with the rest of the components you'd actually expect...
That's worth doing if you have an EB definitely, but since there aren't any I think I'll sit this out until the value gets to a reasonable level. It's starting at a very low point, I'm somewhat doubtful it'll get to where I'd need it to be to pledge. Less pledges than expected might make them cough up more/quicker, whereas we saw what raging heroes did - more pledges made them cough up less, and definitely slower ; p
Yep, the only reason I went in at all right now was the potential for 100 copies of my charming little head to put onto other models! Otherwise, I'd be right with you, waiting it out for the three weeks, based on the price for what's on offer at present...
I think the price is a little steep for the base game, but I'm banking on lots of extra goodies to get unlocked and make it a much better deal. But then, I'm sure the IP is one reason the price is high, Fox needs their cut.
I'm in cuz I always wanted real official Alien minis, and now I can finally have my precious.
Now what do I do with my suddenly sub-par Alienid army?
Medium of Death wrote: I think the price of the minis themeselves are OK when you look at the prices at the bottom of the KS page (the Aliens in particular). I think i get a bit hesitant when it comes to paying for the board game. It'd be great if the did like Marine, Alien and Predator bundles of just the models.
I agree... so, do you have to add on shipping to the 10-pound pledge if you just want to buy add-ons, Prodos? I don't see any instructions about this...
Still not seeing how $5/mini ... or less for extra xenomorphs or Marines (or factoring in other contents in the base box) ... is ridiculous. Ten dollars for a pred is on the pricey end until you remember how big they are (and kind of immaterial when you remember you won't need a ton of them).
2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.
3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.
4) The release date is... LATE 2014!!!
Yeah... this has ruined it for me.
1> it's an hour in and if a pledger pledges at higher levels they get much more bang for their buck
2 it's both
3 the models are of a higher quality than GOW box game
4 yes for a game of the nature and withe the model quality of GOW game (I have it too) the Ks version may 2014
Prices are kinda high, and none of the add ons look all that interesting. Might still get the set once it's at retail, at least if my FLGS can order it. Still haven't recieved my Warzone stuff, and I only got a starter box and one or two little add ons at that.
For all those complaining about the high prices in the first hour of a kickstarter:
In the following 3 weeks, there will be added stuff justifying the price, I am sure.
Manchu wrote: Still not seeing how $5/mini ... or less for extra xenomorphs or Marines (or factoring in other contents in the base box) ... is ridiculous. Ten dollars for a pred is on the pricey end until you remember how big they are (and kind of immaterial when you remember you won't need a ton of them).
It depends on your point of view. If you're looking at it from a "booster pack" perspective, it's not a bad deal. If you're looking at it from a starter set with dozens of minis perspective, it's way above the average. Try pricing out the current 40k starter at $5 per mini or for a more apples to apples comparison space hulk at $5 per mini.
I hope we get some details on the Wargame Rules/army lists before it ends, I'd like to know how many of each thing I'll be needing to get.
Kroothawk wrote: For all those complaining about the high prices in the first hour of a kickstarter:
In the following 3 weeks, there will be added stuff justifying the price, I am sure.
How can you be sure? Surely if there isn't any value now, there never will be! This is not how Kickstarters work!
I actually don't mind the price of the custom D20s at all- those are some hard dice to have custom made, and are pricey even for non-custom ones in cool colors.
I'll be interested in some of the add-on aliens, possibly, but I don't think I'm going to go for the boxed game.
Does anyone know- if you're just buying add-ons, can you select the 10-pound "Anytime" pledge and add them on... or do you have to select that 10-pound pledge, then pay another 10-pounds in shipping, before you can add anything on?
In other words... do you have to pay 20 pounds / $32 for the privilege of purchasing add-ons? I hope not, as that obviously makes it hard for non-UK backers to dip their toe in for just a squad or two. Hopefully, the 10-pound pledge is 10 pounds because that covers the shipping, since otherwise it's just for a PDF I believe? Any clarification from Prodos would be greatly appreciated!
Yeah, I must have been channeling some sort of juju there.
And yeah, not feeling amazing about the big price tag or shipping fees...
Manchu wrote: Still not seeing how $5/mini ... or less for extra xenomorphs or Marines (or factoring in other contents in the base box) ... is ridiculous. Ten dollars for a pred is on the pricey end until you remember how big they are (and kind of immaterial when you remember you won't need a ton of them).
It depends on your point of view. If you're looking at it from a "booster pack" perspective, it's not a bad deal. If you're looking at it from a starter set with dozens of minis perspective, it's way above the average. Try pricing out the current 40k starter at $5 per mini or for a more apples to apples comparison space hulk at $5 per mini.
Spulk 2009 was a fantastic deal but I recall complaints about the expense even then.
For me, I figured I was the miser in this thread. $10/xenomorph seemed way too much for me back when everyone else said it was reasonable. Now we find it's half that or less and ...
2) I thought this was going to be a wargame and not a board game.
3) The quality of the pieces (models and game board) are not high enough for the price. I bought the Gears Of War Boardgame for £50 and got tons of stuff in the box which is of insane quality. I still play it 18 months on. If the AVP game was like this, it would have my full backing.
4) The release date is... LATE 2014!!!
Yeah... this has ruined it for me.
Did you pick the GOW box up at a FLGS?
Yeah I dont really have the cash to back AVP atm anyway but even if I did I think the cost is a little to high.
I got it from Shire Games in Stoke On Trent. Best £50 I've spent on a game. I've had more fun playing GoW than 40k over the past 18ish months.
Manchu wrote: Still not seeing how $5/mini ... or less for extra xenomorphs or Marines (or factoring in other contents in the base box) ... is ridiculous. Ten dollars for a pred is on the pricey end until you remember how big they are (and kind of immaterial when you remember you won't need a ton of them).
It depends on your point of view. If you're looking at it from a "booster pack" perspective, it's not a bad deal. If you're looking at it from a starter set with dozens of minis perspective, it's way above the average. Try pricing out the current 40k starter at $5 per mini or for a more apples to apples comparison space hulk at $5 per mini.
Spulk 2009 was a fantastic deal but I recall complaints about the expense even then.
For me, I figured I was the miser in this thread. $10/xenomorph seemed way too much for me back when everyone else said it was reasonable. Now we find it's half that or less and ...
Nah, you definitely don't sound like the Scrooge McDuck of the AVP thread. Personally, I just don't see the value in this and I don't see the potential value built into it (like with Robotech that had a clearly defined "freebie" pledge). This is 99.99% a preorder and the direct to consumer profits aren't being accompanied with savings and neither is the distro via CMON amounting to much as posted earlier. On top of that, there isn't much of a "buy in bulk" discount that is commonly associated with starter sets compared with similar offerings. I can't say I'm surprised though because the same issues came up during Warzone's KS with pledge levels (once shipping was accounted for) being slightly worse of a value than ordering from the Warstore. I guess you pay for the privilege of getting things early in a relatively on time KS which is worth it for some. For me, not so much.
always regretted not backing games like zombicide when it was presented, and always regretted not getting space hulk. So no way was I passing up AVP. Especially with the Glorious Colonial Marines!
Kroothawk wrote: For all those complaining about the high prices in the first hour of a kickstarter:
In the following 3 weeks, there will be added stuff justifying the price, I am sure.
Aaaand ... funded.
I guess the bigger issue here isn't one of "piles of sub-par models" like other KS from more than one company have delivered, but whether the actual thing being offered is worth the amount it costs before we get into the KS games of add-ons and putting things (back) into the starter box (that we took out to use as stretch goals). If I weren't sitting on a limited pledge, I'd be playing wait and see for a day or two under 3 weeks, as many others here appear to be saying they will do, which doesn't help their momentum.
I really wanted to back this project on kickstarter, but at those prices I am going to wait and see what discounts I can get through the normal retail channels when the game is officially released. I want to feel like I am getting a "deal" if I help fund the game instead of feeling like i'm just preordering it.
Anybody have any of their own personal experience with Warzone stuff (if they've got it yet)? I know there was one guy earlier in the thread that had problems with the stuff he'd received. Felt the details on some of the Warzone figs at the time looked soft, hopefully this didn't turn out to be the case (bar maybe a couple of slip ups).
Talk about disapointed...... It just does not seem much for my money compared to others (MA)
Looks like mantic will get decembers pay packet instead of my kids this year, looked like it was going to prodos there for a while too.
Medium of Death wrote: Anybody have any of their own personal experience with Warzone stuff (if they've got it yet)? I know there was one guy earlier in the thread that had problems with the stuff he'd received. Felt the details on some of the Warzone figs at the time looked soft, hopefully this didn't turn out to be the case (bar maybe a couple of slip ups).
There is a Warzone thread over in Misc. Minis that has a few people posting reviews of their stuff (and it all sounds fairly positive), I'd have to go fishing around various blogs or the official forums for more. Still waiting on mine though.
As to the AvP KS, honestly, I'm not seeing this as being that pricey. But if you are waiting for the retail version then it definitely is cheaper at £60. And since retail is coming out regardless, there is no real harm in waiting if the KS exclusive box doesn't push your buttons.
But then, Prodos did kind of market this as an exclusive, limited edition box. So considering that, the current price point, to me, fits. It is a low model count game and comes with card terrain and a bunch of other stuff in the box alongside resin minis. Don't have the dosh for it either way, of course. But $120 for 23 resin minis and a board game isn't really beyond the pale. This is squarely for the people who are really in to the property. My guess is that it will get to be a better deal over time (Warzone certainly did), but Prodos tend to be fairly cautious on the outset. They will not over-promise in order to gamble on more early pledges. For a limited run of the box, this was what was economical for them. With more pledges down, they can probably sweeten the pot as they did with Warzone (where we ended up with cheap international shipping and 30-40% off).
But if the KS were to end today and they were forced to print 250-300 boxes with a budget of £40k, then they would be able to do it (and likely on time) as they played it safe and promised what they could deliver at the price they knew wouldn't drive them in to bankruptcy.
The basic level funds a fairly self-contained set (the LE box) so that its success or failure wont adversely impact the retail box. If it ends up doing better than they need it to (and it probably will) then its success can start sweetening the deal and laying the groundwork for more stuff on the premium-minis side.
But at the end of the day, if you want to wait for something cheaper, the retail box sounds like it will be £60/$100 and comes with what you need to play. No harm in waiting on this one. Of course, because it hasn't broken $1mil in half an hour I'm sure people will moan about how slow it is. Par for the course really. I'm sure Prodos are happy because it it has already made as much as WZ did in six days of being up on KS (and it has only been up a few hours). Considering the scale of company, that shows pretty good growth. And I'm sure I'll wake up tomorrow to a stretch or two being knocked down. This thing already looks pretty damn successful. Should beat out WZ pretty handily and has a shot of going higher.
I'm a little sad I don't have the $120 to spare right now.
But at the end of the day, if you want to wait for something cheaper, the retail box sounds like it will be £60/$100 and comes with what you need to play.
Which should hopefully also get a discount from online discounters - $80 would be much more attractive if still somewhat dear price, depending on what's in it. It's a shame neither set will use multi part plastic models, the choice being multi part resin (which never comes with a large number of options) or single part plastic.
I backed it mainly just to follow the progress and see what they come out with, but I may end up pulling out before the campaign ends if I don't think its going where I'd like it to go.
I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain. I bet if you each were offered a 1000 dollar billed you'd complain it wasn't in 20's. The figures look great and they are coming in resin. Don't want to spend money on quality roll on over to Mantic and have a field day. You get what you pay for as countless Mantic KS backers have learned. Figures on the cheap? That's exactly what you get. Cheap.
Or we could all go and back Sedition Wars again. Ya that was some quality right there.
Forlorn wrote: I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain. I bet if you each were offered a 1000 dollar billed you'd complain it wasn't in 20's. The figures look great and they are coming in resin. Don't want to spend money on quality roll on over to Mantic and have a field day. You get what you pay for as countless Mantic KS backers have learned. Figures on the cheap? That's exactly what you get. Cheap.
Or we could all go and back Sedition Wars again. Ya that was some quality right there.
Or, you know, we all have an idea of what comparable products cost. And as such, this is high.
Even comparing sedition wars is silly. 3 times the models for less cost, and the models are perfectly fine, despite what Mr. Internet Hater would have you believe.
I am bitter over the entire venture. I am so tired of people attempting to defend this it makes me seriously want to find them and give them a pain threshold punch to the nuts. From having to put parts in hot water to bend them back into place, to warped boards, to off center tokens, to missing parts, to a rulebook that doesn't seem to have been play tested, to mold lines that chew up blades faster than a fat kid on candy, to Wave 2 figures that aren't even comparable in size to Wave 1, to having to buy a rulebook for the updated rules if I don't want a PDF. Seriously?
This will forever be stuck with me...
A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
What a god damn disappointment.
You've got a point there buddy!
Seriously though, I've pledged, for the updates, and I'll stick with this until the last few days, but I'm actually less excited for it now than before the KS launched.
I gotta say, I know it's a new kickstarter and all, and I know things will get better, but I'm not impressed so far. You don't seem to get a lot. But the resin rooms are very impressive.
Forlorn wrote: I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain. I bet if you each were offered a 1000 dollar billed you'd complain it wasn't in 20's.
I always find the irony in posts complaining about complaining to be...pretty amusing!
blingman wrote: Talk about disapointed...... It just does not seem much for my money compared to others (MA)
Looks like mantic will get decembers pay packet instead of my kids this year, looked like it was going to prodos there for a while too.
But how does it compare to when Mars Attacks first started their kickstarted.
Bit harsh to compare a Kickstarter at the end of it's run where it is full of its addons and extras to one that is less than 24 hours old. That is apples and oranges territory right there.
I am bitter over the entire venture. I am so tired of people attempting to defend this it makes me seriously want to find them and give them a pain threshold punch to the nuts. From having to put parts in hot water to bend them back into place, to warped boards, to off center tokens, to missing parts, to a rulebook that doesn't seem to have been play tested, to mold lines that chew up blades faster than a fat kid on candy, to Wave 2 figures that aren't even comparable in size to Wave 1, to having to buy a rulebook for the updated rules if I don't want a PDF. Seriously?
This will forever be stuck with me...
A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!
What a god damn disappointment.
You've got a point there buddy!
Seriously though, I've pledged, for the updates, and I'll stick with this until the last few days, but I'm actually less excited for it now than before the KS launched.
blingman wrote: Talk about disapointed...... It just does not seem much for my money compared to others (MA)
Looks like mantic will get decembers pay packet instead of my kids this year, looked like it was going to prodos there for a while too.
But how does it compare to when Mars Attacks first started their kickstarted.
Bit harsh to compare a Kickstarter at the end of it's run where it is full of its addons and extras to one that is less than 24 hours old. That is apples and oranges territory right there.
Except that we have another Kickstarter from the same company to compare this with and the same complaints were quite common there. Not many freebies, slightly worse "value" compared with simply buying it from the warstore, and the vast majority of the unlocks were paid purchases. If they follow the same progression (which the start has been matching), there isn't going to be much of a difference in the per fig price for each pledge level and the unlocks will generally increase variety but not value. They could obviously deviate from their previous offering though...
The value is the resin multipart figures and the box upgrades we will likely see, if you wait for retail then decide you would like to upgrade to resin minis then It will cost you more than the kickstarter version.
Also for people complaining about the North American shipping saying that savings aren't being passed on, work out how much your customs bill would be, that's the saving they are passing on.
Personally I'm fine with the value and happy with the quality of the warzone minis I received so have confidence in the quality they will provide. For me this is an IP too good to pass up on.
Buzzsaw wrote: Someone in the comments noticed something a bit puzzling: 3 Predators purchased ala carte are twice as expensive as 5 of anything else. That seems... odd.
My guess is that Predators are bigger.
Maybe the trio pairings are intentional since according to the fiction the Predator hunting parties arrive in groups of three.
While I am not really opposed to the pricing, I hope Prodos will sweeten the deal a bit for those who are with at least a few unlockable upgrades to the limited edition.
So far, only one thing irks me: the game is billed as "self-contained" but contains no dice. It seems "self-contained" is used in a different sense than "complete," which is fair play I suppose. Just a little thing and it doesn't bother me too much since I have my fare share of d20s and may get some of those cool customs anyhow.
Manchu wrote: While I am not really opposed to the pricing, I hope Prodos will sweeten the deal a bit for those who are with at least a few unlockable upgrades to the limited edition.
So far, only one thing irks me: the game is billed as "self-contained" but contains no dice. It seems "self-contained" is used in a different sense than "complete," which is fair play I suppose. Just a little thing and it doesn't bother me too much since I have my fare share of d20s and may get some of those cool customs anyhow.
Honestly, I'm getting mad deja vu between this and the Warzone campaign. Same concerns about pricing being "a bit to high" (or "ludicrous" for the more hyperbolic amongst those complaining). And eventually that was turning out sweet-spot pledges with 35-40% off of retail (even if you included shipping on to it). I got loads of stuff off of that KS for a better price than I could have ever expected.
Only thing to do is sit back and wait to see what they do. Though considering how much faster this one is going than their last, my only hope is that they have stretches planned well in advance and don't go overboard. Their last KS started slow and ended a great value.
This one has done in a few hours what it took a week for the last one to do. Even with a significant amount of slowdown in the coming days (and it will be hard to beat the WZ rollercoaster for that) it will still probably outpace Warzone by a good margin through its run. It will be interesting to see what they have planned for this.
paulson games wrote: Can anyone makes sense of what this is supposed to mean: "ᖘᴀʏʙᴀᴄᴋ ᴛɪᴍᴇ" and "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" rewards
wtf??
It refers to previous backer levels included in a given level. The Anytime level is the limited edition rules. Payback time includes the game, £60 in add-ons and the Anytime level (i.e. the book).
So the last level includes the 100 custom heads, the game, £60 in add-ons and two copies of the book (since the Payback level includes Anytime and it also includes Anytime as well). Mostly that just seems to be the generous backer level.
Not sure what's up with the font though. That is kind of weird.
Ronin_eX wrote: It will be interesting to see what they have planned for this.
I'm plenty excited as is ... Predatrice as first stretch is risky but appreciated. The Alien Queen at the bottom ... oh man I can't wait! And there is some mention in the fluff about sinister W-Y androids even.
paulson games wrote: Can anyone makes sense of what this is supposed to mean: "ᖘᴀʏʙᴀᴄᴋ ᴛɪᴍᴇ" and "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" rewards
wtf??
I get the movie humor reference but I'd prefer non-tard english for titles.
Edit:
Want some candy?
Anytime is a pledge level that includes the rules PDF. It's the "freebie" included with most other higher priced pledges. I'd suspect Payback time is another pledge level as well.
Justin Timothy:I find the FAQ to be oddly written:
We have significant backing financially and an experienced team of rules designers, artists, 3D designers and model makers. As a team we are highly experienced in logistics and manufacturing and have learnt a lot about expectation and delays having already completed a highly successful Kickstarter campaign for our first project: Warzone Resurrection.
If they have significant financial backing why the need for KS?
Prodos: Hello Justin. Because we are offering a product that would happen otherwise.
Ronin_eX wrote: Honestly, I'm getting mad deja vu between this and the Warzone campaign. Same concerns about pricing being "a bit to high" (or "ludicrous" for the more hyperbolic amongst those complaining). And eventually that was turning out sweet-spot pledges with 35-40% off of retail (even if you included shipping on to it). I got loads of stuff off of that KS for a better price than I could have ever expected.
warboss wrote: Except that we have another Kickstarter from the same company to compare this with and the same complaints were quite common there. Not many freebies, slightly worse "value" compared with simply buying it from the warstore, and the vast majority of the unlocks were paid purchases. If they follow the same progression (which the start has been matching), there isn't going to be much of a difference in the per fig price for each pledge level and the unlocks will generally increase variety but not value. They could obviously deviate from their previous offering though...
Damn these contradictory posts. Now I'll have to do the math thing myself : /
edit: rofl warboss, gotta love when a typo completely reverses the meaning of a sentence.
Ronin_eX wrote: Honestly, I'm getting mad deja vu between this and the Warzone campaign. Same concerns about pricing being "a bit to high" (or "ludicrous" for the more hyperbolic amongst those complaining). And eventually that was turning out sweet-spot pledges with 35-40% off of retail (even if you included shipping on to it). I got loads of stuff off of that KS for a better price than I could have ever expected.
warboss wrote: Except that we have another Kickstarter from the same company to compare this with and the same complaints were quite common there. Not many freebies, slightly worse "value" compared with simply buying it from the warstore, and the vast majority of the unlocks were paid purchases. If they follow the same progression (which the start has been matching), there isn't going to be much of a difference in the per fig price for each pledge level and the unlocks will generally increase variety but not value. They could obviously deviate from their previous offering though...
Damn these contradictory posts. Now I'll have to do the math thing myself : /
edit: rofl warboss, gotta love when a typo completely reverses the meaning of a sentence.
Indeed! I obviously assume it is a typo but the sheer irony isn't lost on me.
They changed something in the latter half of the warzone kickstarter because of the feedback they were getting about the relative value because what they were offering was slightly worse than simply buying it at retail from the warstore (for US pledgers after shipping). If you look at the starting 20 or so pages of the thread the discussion pretty much mirrors this one. IIRC Hulksmash posted some detailed comments about it so try filtering the thread for him. It's possible that they did better in the final week or two because of the complaints but at that point I had lost interest.
It refers to previous backer levels included in a given level. The Anytime level is the limited edition rules. Payback time includes the game, £60 in add-ons and the Anytime level (i.e. the book).
So the last level includes the 100 custom heads, the game, £60 in add-ons and two copies of the book (since the Payback level includes Anytime and it also includes Anytime as well). Mostly that just seems to be the generous backer level.
Not sure what's up with the font though. That is kind of weird.
Two copies of the book? Seems a bit useless. I'd hope that one could perhaps be swapped out for some loot...
warboss wrote: They changed something in the latter half of the warzone kickstarter because of the feedback they were getting about the relative value because what they were offering was slightly worse than simply buying it at retail from the warstore (for US pledgers after shipping). If you look at the starting 20 or so pages of the thread the discussion pretty much mirrors this one. IIRC Hulksmash posted some detailed comments about it so try filtering the thread for him. It's possible that they did better in the final week or two because of the complaints but at that point I had lost interest.
Can anyone makes sense of what this is supposed to mean: "ᖘᴀʏʙᴀᴄᴋ ᴛɪᴍᴇ" and "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" rewards
wtf??
Weird, when I was on my other computer which had an older version of windows (xp) half the text was a series of boxes rather than letters which was why I was wondering how we were supposed to read it. Seems like there were errors with how the font was displaying. On my laptop the letters display fine, although the font is non standard it's at least readable unlike what I was seeing before.
Page displays like this on XP, which makes the titles rather hard to decipher
My initial view of the set was 'Blimey, that looks a bit sparse'. I wonder if the £75 price point is enough to cover them for a reasonable amount of add ins later?
On the other hand, the models are good - certainly better than the AvP stuff I have previously seen. If the standard edition contains slightly less detailed e.g. board game quality miniatures* then I think the price is more understandable. Certainly better than some of the 'upgrades' I've seen for CE computer games.
*Then again I remember the models in Space Crusade. The Chaos Marines had some fantastic detailing on them.
The board isn't wowing me right now. I hope that we get some stretch goals to upgrade it.
I like AvP but I'm not a huge fan of the universe, as things stand right now I would stick with Space Hulk. However, I know several people who LOVE the AvP stuff, though so will definitely keep an eye on this and the value might go up. So I will back them for £75.
paulson games wrote: Weird, when I was on my other computer which had an older version of windows (xp) half the text was a series of boxes rather than letters which was why I was wondering how we were supposed to read it. Seems like there were errors with how the font was displaying. On my laptop the letters display fine, although the font is non standard it's at least readable unlike what I was seeing before.
Page displays like this on XP, which makes the titles rather hard to decipher
The errors are due to the use of the extended character sets that are not supported by XP by default. Adding the Cyberbit font should fix the issue - that's what I used to add support for Japanese characters on my old computers.
When I look at the price of the starter set now, it just seems pretty ridiculous to ask £75 for only 23 miniatures. I'd expect it to only be around £65 at that cost.
I just mean the face look more feminine than the usual square jawed male soldier models, not that those are necessarily female marines. Femarines?. I assume that when/if female marines do get shown they will have appropriate bodies to match.
...and that there will then be several pages of what 'appropriate' should actually be.
Nononononono, before people assault me on that, I do not mean they should have different armour, exposed meaty parts or the like. I just don't really see it in those faces myself, that's it.
Imposter101 wrote: When I look at the price of the starter set now, it just seems pretty ridiculous to ask £75 for only 23 miniatures. I'd expect it to only be around £65 at that cost.
£10 here is your deal breaker?
23 models @ £75 = £3.26 each, or, as previously mentioned, about $5.25 each.
That doesn't sound bad to me at all, and that's bound to get better/cheaper as more stretch goals are knocked over.
Think the top middle Marine looks like a girl (is that possibly meant to be Dietrich)? TBH think it's very unlikely that there won't be female marines in there somewhere, considering their presence in the film.
Regarding the 'female' predator, is anyone else secretly hoping it's a sculpt of Machiko from the AvP comic?! *
EDIT++ Actually, didn't see the miniature on there.. that must be her!
Imposter101 wrote: When I look at the price of the starter set now, it just seems pretty ridiculous to ask £75 for only 23 miniatures. I'd expect it to only be around £65 at that cost.
£10 here is your deal breaker?
23 models @ £75 = £3.26 each, or, as previously mentioned, about $5.25 each.
That doesn't sound bad to me at all, and that's bound to get better/cheaper as more stretch goals are knocked over.
Definitely.. I think the issue here is that Prodos need to make a bit more of the quality of the sculpts they are releasing. Think a lot of people are viewing this through 'Bones/Mantic eyes' of now coming to expect a squillion miniatures (plus BOGOF!) for every kickstarter. It's hard to say exactly with the photos we have seen so far, but I'd say the miniatures look pretty stonking in terms of their detail level (compare to the Necron in the one comparison photo) - I think this is going to be much more Kingdom Death than Kings of War, but Prodos need to advertise that fact more.
I think in that context I don't think the prices are bad. One also has to think what £75 would get them from elsewhere and... anyway, I think it's not a spectacular deal, but certainly not a bad one!
* For anyone not familiar with the comics, Machiko is a human who ends up rescuing and then fighting alongside a veteran Predator, who ends up giving her an honourary 'hunters mark' where she ultimately ends up fighting alongside a pack of other Predators..
There is loads of really cool artwork (even a collectable miniature) of her:
I agree that with stretch goals the price will become a lot more reasonable, at the moment I can't say I'm reaching for my wallet but I'm going to keep an eye on this!
I thoroughly respect the lack of "early bird" tiers and am glad they didn't go that way - people can take a bit of time to weigh it up without feeling like they're going to miss out.
But are the stretch goals going to be free add ons, or Mars Attacks-style "use your credit for this"?
There are a few bits that look decent, but not enough that the pledge level prices involved tempt me. I'll have a look at the end, see what's available.
RiTides wrote: PredAlien looks sweet. Any word on if the 10-pound "Anytime" pledge includes international shipping?
It's a digital pledge, though if you add minis, I'm sure you'll need to toss in ten quid for shipping regardless.
Well I just pledged for "anytime" and posted the below comment on the page to try to get an answer, but if it's true I have to pay 20 pounds just to buy a single add-on, I won't be staying in, and I can't imagine others will, either...
That pledge level doesn't list international shipping and it should cover the 10 pounds of it, imo! Or, they should add a 15-pound pledge or whatever they need to to cover international shipping.
As it is, they'd be charging $32 to ship me a single PredAlien if that's all I bought... lol
Hoping they see reason and clarify that the base pledge includes international shipping!
Prodos, or anyone- Could you please tell me if the "Anytime" pledge includes international shipping? I assume it does, as otherwise you would have to pay 20 pounds just for the pirvilege to buy a single add-on!
The PredAlien has drawn me in but right now I would just like to pledge for it as an add-on, and it would make sense that the 10-pound pledge covers international shipping.
Could you please clarify that, or answer it on here or on the FAQ of the main page?
Thank you very much
Well the only other kind of KS I've backed are computer games, in which the stretch goals tend to be game features or content which are, obviously, freely included in the final game.
Well, I've sounded off in the comments about having to pay 10 pounds for a free pdf + 10 pounds shipping for the lowest pledge level, resulting in $32 for a backer to buy a single add-on figure.
Hopefully, they sort that out... otherwise, I can piggyback on someone else's pledge, but I'm sure I wouldn't spend as much that way. It's in their own best interest to have a reasonable "just add-ons" pledge level... and $32 ain't it!
They had a 1-pound pledge in Warzone for this purpose, not sure why they don't have one here.
Looks like someone else is trying to get out some AvP minis as well, doesn't appear to be licensed. Looks like they waited until this kickstarter to piggy back on the sudden demand.
Prodos wrote:The Anytime pledge is £10 if you addon to it the £10 will cover the postage and you will still get 'Digital AvP Wargaming Rules and Thanks in the Exclusive Edition Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game Rulebook.'
Woot . I can now keep my pledge in peace. So far, I love the custom D20s (I'm a sucker for D20s) and the PreAliens, and I'm sure I'll be wanting more before the end.
Very poor update times here. Took several hours to post second stretch goal after first one was broken and now been waiting on the next goal for about an hour so far. you would think they would have has the first few updates all planned and written before the project launched to enable quick updating.
I'm getting the suspicion that 'freebies' are not the order of the day with this franchise... I'm sitting on the 'We're in the pipe, five by five' pledge to see what happens but I'm tempted to pull back to the 'Anytime' and just get the add-ons that take my fancy, then wait for the non-exclusive retail release if the KS continues in this vein - it's a real shame as I (like many others it seems) was really stoked when the firts hints and teasers came out - just feels like the bubble has burst at the moment..
Be interested to know what the RRP will be for the retail release to compare mass produced plastic against handmade resin...
I will say though, Prodos need to run a spell and grammar check - hope they've hired a professional proof reader on the official rule book
Aeneades wrote: Looks like someone else is trying to get out some AvP minis as well, doesn't appear to be licensed. Looks like they waited until this kickstarter to piggy back on the sudden demand.
Production --- the bulk of funds will be spent on sculpting, respective moulding and plastic injection by Caesars Miniatures.
Licensing --- payment of royalties to 20th Century Fox which owns the fights to all the film franchises. Packing --- All miniatures will be packed into a box for eventual shipment as parcel to each contributor's address.
Shipping --- Caesars' manufacturing facilities are based in Shenzhen and Dong Guan in China. I will ship the sets back to Singapore to be resent to each contributors using Singapore Post which I determine to be a more reliable shipping channel as compared to China's postal services.
Fees --- Indiegogo fees and third party (bank/paypal/credit card) charges account for at least 7% of funds
Just to clarify, Riquende's above quotes are from the indiegogo page that just popped up, and is likely a scam and will be taken down soon, imo (it's happened before).
Also, quoting this over from the last page. The 10-pound "Anytime" pledge now includes international shipping for add-ons! Woot! I love a creator who listens... and now they get all my monies
Prodos wrote:The Anytime pledge is £10 if you addon to it the £10 will cover the postage and you will still get 'Digital AvP Wargaming Rules and Thanks in the Exclusive Edition Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game Rulebook.'
RiTides wrote: Just to clarify, Riquende's above quotes are from the indiegogo page that just popped up, and is likely a scam and will be taken down soon, imo (it's happened before)
Yeah, nothing about the IGG project looks in anyway legit, there's nothing there other than costume/prop pics and film stills.
Well I've sunk quite a bit into this I'm hoping the resin scenery will be good as I'm having a set of that! Looks like it could be really good if there isn't too much add ons and we actually get a decent stretch goal or too
SoulDrinker, see the discussion above- the IGG campaign is almost certainly a scam to hope people mistake it for the real thing (note that it is located in Singapore, for whatever reason). I think it will be removed soon...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, here's a direct link to the comment where they clarified about shipping being included on the "Anytime" pledge, just for reference
RiTides wrote: Just to clarify, Riquende's above quotes are from the indiegogo page that just popped up, and is likely a scam and will be taken down soon, imo (it's happened before)
Yeah, nothing about the IGG project looks in anyway legit, there's nothing there other than costume/prop pics and film stills.
I can confirm the IGG project is a scam. They do not have the licence to produce miniatures for AVP. Equally the face images of the humans from the films are not available.
Note there are no actual models shown on this or their other project.
That guy is clearly not the smartest scammer, he ran the IGG campaign as fixed funding which means he gets feth all unless people are actually stupid enough to give him $332,500..
RiTides wrote: Just to clarify, Riquende's above quotes are from the indiegogo page that just popped up, and is likely a scam and will be taken down soon, imo (it's happened before)
Yeah, nothing about the IGG project looks in anyway legit, there's nothing there other than costume/prop pics and film stills.
Even if it wasn't a scam, who wants 25mm miniatures?
Am I being completely blind or did they not actual say how much the pred-alien costs? (I presume it isn't free because they would have made a big announcement if it was)
Those free face huggers seem to be a last minute damage control addition.
RiTides wrote: Just to clarify, Riquende's above quotes are from the indiegogo page that just popped up, and is likely a scam and will be taken down soon, imo (it's happened before)
Yeah, nothing about the IGG project looks in anyway legit, there's nothing there other than costume/prop pics and film stills.
I can confirm the IGG project is a scam. They do not have the licence to produce miniatures for AVP. Equally the face images of the humans from the films are not available.
Note there are no actual models shown on this or their other project.
Guess the ONE backer will be disappointed then At least he will not lose money, given the $332,500 threshold.
Concering the faces: Making a small female Latina gunner is allowed. Makes not that much difference at 28mm scale.
Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases
There could be an error with this table - looks like they let Excel copy the number sequence down rather than saying 5 free facehuggers on each pledge level...
Prodos, can you confirm if this is correct or edit this table to reflect the actual numbers?
I really like your product, but attention to detail and proof reading is not a strong point right
The Indigogo page is using renders from the promotional images from the AVP video game. All of the "product shots" are from the Hot Toys and Sideshow collectables range, which are rather expensive pieces, and are large action figure size or bigger which is why they look so good. A couple are full human sized mock up pieces. They guy is clearly trying to snag people by recycling good looking images but can't be bothered to even remove the sega logo in the corner of his images. What a tool.
Also
2.Licensing --- payment of royalties to 20th Century Fox which owns the fights to all the film franchises.
in this day and age the infant alien and the runner sculpts do not seem to have enough variety. There seem to be some differences between the models, but if all 10 infant Aliens included in the box have the same tail pose that´d look rather stupid.
Just got a response from Prodos reference the symbol on the dice:
Prodos Games Ltd
Nov 8, 2013
"This gaming system centres on getting lower than a target number hence the symbol is on the 1 position"
Prodos wrote:Antenocitis: I will incorporate a photo of an actual mini in the next update.
Hand Cast
Prodos wrote:Jake: humans attached to an alien goo covered wall begging to be capped, thats part of the resin scenery
Also this:
Aeneades wrote: Am I being completely blind or did they not actual say how much the pred-alien costs?
See the pic they added above!
Pricey, but if the sculpt is good I'll be in for several, since I'm not getting the base game and just adding in some of the more awesome aliens to my existing army . Can't wait to see the ones at 100K. Would also love to see a size comparison on these, if possible! Hope they're big
in this day and age the infant alien and the runner sculpts do not seem to have enough variety. There seem to be some differences between the models, but if all 10 infant Aliens included in the box have the same tail pose that´d look rather stupid.
The good news is that they are using resin. With some hot water the tails can be warped to slightly different poses. It will not be a totally different curve, but they will not look like copies of one another.
lord_blackfang wrote: Naming a pledge level specifically to bash a rival Kickstarter is dickish enough that I'm not even gonna look at what AvP is offering.
Its a joke and a nod (hence marketing support for them)!
But sorry to offend if you didn't get it.
Sheep wrote: Not on the kick starter comments moloch.
But the description for the product says multipart, so we can only assume at this point the poses will be varied and customisable.
Moloch has a point on the preview pics, but I'm hoping they're able to be posed differently (and maybe Prodos will clarify that!). Here's some relevant info on their being hand cast resin and multipart, note the orange text in particular:
Prodos wrote:If successful this KS project will allows Prodos Games Ltd to produce the AvP The Hunt Begins Board Game (which will be produced in standard plastic 1 piece format for late 2014 release) in a bespoked and limited (to KS) fashion specifically for the model connoisseur and collector alike. We will utilize our Procast model making technique to make the high quality and detail multipose and official 28mm polyurethane miniatures...
Prodos wrote:Antenocitis: I will incorporate a photo of an actual mini in the next update.
Hand Cast
Meaning hand cast resin, we should get lots of reviews of their quality from Warzone backers before this one is over!
Also, I dug this quote up from earlier in the thread since it seems to mirror how they are progressing through the Alien portion of the stretch goals, at least so far! Warrior is at 100K, so I'm guessing Stalker might be the next Alien stretch goal after that (of course there could be a marine one in between, etc).
Prodos wrote:To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:
Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)
More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game
If it's helpful I might make a consolidated post of relevant info quotes later, hopefully this suffices to fill in some information gaps for now
in this day and age the infant alien and the runner sculpts do not seem to have enough variety. There seem to be some differences between the models, but if all 10 infant Aliens included in the box have the same tail pose that´d look rather stupid.
The good news is that they are using resin. With some hot water the tails can be warped to slightly different poses. It will not be a totally different curve, but they will not look like copies of one another.
I didn't think of that, good idea spaceelf / Ouze! Although, hopefully folks with Warzone models can comment on the posability of arms and such- if it's ball and socket joints and the arms can get positioned any way you like, or if they only fit well in one orientation, etc. Hoping for the former, of course
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also Prodos, your link in the OP of this thread goes to a random point in the comments from last night, rather than the main page. This is the link that should be in the OP:
in this day and age the infant alien and the runner sculpts do not seem to have enough variety. There seem to be some differences between the models, but if all 10 infant Aliens included in the box have the same tail pose that´d look rather stupid.
The good news is that they are using resin. With some hot water the tails can be warped to slightly different poses. It will not be a totally different curve, but they will not look like copies of one another.
A very good point.
yeah, if its polyurethane you'd be able to move more than the tails.. depending how 'brave' you are.
personally, i wouldnt regard it as 'difficult' bymmv.
having said that, different poses would be nice... plenty of time for that though.
Looks alright to me, not cheap as chips but it is Aliens I guess and it will seem much better after the unlocked stuff is added I hope.
I will be waiting until retail as I already have a couple of kickstarter stuff yet to turn up, and christmas is coming, its not the best time for me, plus I like to order a little and check the quality myself, before spending a lot of money on minis.
My only criticism is the same pose on all those aliens, I dont think it will look as good as I first thought, still only a minor gripe.
Rayvon wrote: Looks alright to me, not cheap as chips but it is Aliens I guess and it will seem much better after the unlocked stuff is added I hope.
I will be waiting until retail as I already have a couple of kickstarter stuff yet to turn up, and christmas is coming, its not the best time for me, plus I like to order a little and check the quality myself, before spending a lot of money on minis.
My only criticism is the same pose on all those aliens, I dont think it will look as good as I first thought, still only a minor gripe.
As already stated these are multipart and multi pose models. AND like other resins it can be reshaped in hot water then fixed in cold!
CptJake wrote: What, in an unpainted resin sculpt of a 28mm face ,would make it a Latina?
Especially since Vasquez is actually Jenette Goldstein with a tan. Maybe her eyebrows? They're pretty distinctive.
Spoiler:
ALIENS
STAR TREK
TITANIC
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paulson games wrote: The Indigogo page is using renders from the promotional images from the AVP video game. All of the "product shots" are from the Hot Toys and Sideshow collectables range, which are rather expensive pieces,
LOL and their shot of the Newborn is one of the original foam rubber unused-for-filming prototypes - and it's all busted up! Will my Newborn miniature also be the one not in the movie and also have cracks and tears!
Those free face huggers seem to be a last minute damage control addition.
the KS has been running for less than a day.
How is a stretch goal with free miniatures, "damage control"? It's already like double-funded.
A significant number of people in the kickstarter comments section were talking about backing out of the project unless a free stretch goal was announced. Protus then added an extra stretch goal in between previously announced paid stretch goals to appease them.
Prodos- could you comment on posability of limbs... i.e., are the arms on sockets such that buying multiple PredAliens, all their arms wouldn't have to be pointed the same way? Just curious
Also, I forgot to highlight this part of the last update:
KS Update wrote:Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases
So, it does seem that they're planning to improve the main box's value... doesn't affect me so much as I'm probably going to put all my funds into sweet add-ons, but still good to know
Prices here are definitely Infinity-like, but hopefully the quality will be, too! Would love to see some links to more reviews of Warzone models as people receive them (or if they have already).
So, tumbled out of bed, checked my emails, and it seems time to get my complain on...
First, seriously? The starting stretch goal is both the only female Predator and a paid add-on? And she's 10 GBP for one (1)? Awesome.
Second, the price disconnect between the Predators and everything else is just galling. In the picture below we seems (based on the renders) to have a Predator (30 GBP for 3) versus an Infant Warrior (15 GBP for 5). In other words, the figure on the left is a 10 GBP figure, the one on the right is a 3 GBP figure. Would you really look at that and think that one of those was more then three times as expensive as the other, really now? Uch.
Spoiler:
Third, so, from the new Stretch Goal list, are we to interpret that the original items (in Blue font) are all paid add-ons? Note that the "Free Facehuggers" are in addition and in a different font. Again, Awesome.
Spoiler:
By the way, yes, I recognize the Colonial Marines Sergeant is crazy expensive, but since I don't care about him someone else can grouse about it.
I'm guessing generally you won't be using a lot of models? But yeah, the price per model is high (on the PredAlien, too, which is the same as the Predators).
Here's the text on the wargame, I'd be curious about the cards that are mentioned in particular... will these be for printing out with the rules PDF, or will they be a goal for later in the campaign, etc? I don't think they'd be in the box game so they've got to come from somewhere!
KS text wrote:5. How does the AvP Wargame work?
- 2+ players - D20 based on the Prodos Wargame System
- Alternative Squad Activation (you go I go etc.)
- Create your own special characters etc.
- Army construction – each model has its own points value dependent on the Model type and experience level! (levels from 1 to 5)
- Narrative games allow characters and models to gain ‘Experience’ to level-up
- 50 Missions cards (at three levels)
- Tactical Cards for each factions (120 in total).
- Scalability (1 to 100s of models per side) so you can play for example 1 Predator against a Platoon of Colonial Marines or a whole Battalion of Marines vs a Hive of Aliens)
- Longevity – New Alien, Predator and Marine types with special rules, mission and tactical cards will be introduced over the coming months and years.
RiTides wrote: Prodos- could you comment on posability of limbs... i.e., are the arms on sockets such that buying multiple PredAliens, all their arms wouldn't have to be pointed the same way? Just curious
Also, I forgot to highlight this part of the last update:
KS Update wrote:Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases
So, it does seem that they're planning to improve the main box's value... doesn't affect me so much as I'm probably going to put all my funds into sweet add-ons, but still good to know
Prices here are definitely Infinity-like, but hopefully the quality will be, too! Would love to see some links to more reviews of Warzone models as people receive them (or if they have already).
I think you are misreading what is meant in that last bit: my interpretation is that as your pledge level increases, the value of the box compared to what you are getting free gets smaller (i.e., you get more stuff as you increase what you pay). Note the "Add-ons Value included" column, that seems to be what they are referring to. Although there is a series of "coming soon" items of unknowable value.
KS Update wrote:Note the main game cost drops by upto 66% of original as the pledge amount increases
So, it does seem that they're planning to improve the main box's value... doesn't affect me so much as I'm probably going to put all my funds into sweet add-ons, but still good to know
I believe that quote is in reference to the pledges an individual makes as they list the starter "price" per pledge and it goes down the more you individually pledge. Either way, I'm glad to see that they're adding some sort of freebies in response to feedback even if they are the smallest aliens possible.
Whoops, you might be right . Just here for the add-ons, so no worries on my end! I just bought into Infinity so I'm used to these prices as long as the quality is there (they're going to show an actual model in the next update, per Prodos).
Y'know, I tossed Blackwater Gulch $5 for a pair of specialty dice, and considered that a fine experience.
Gonna have to ponder whether or not 3 custome D20's and getting my name in the book is worth $25. I guess I get the rules pdf as well, but I highly doubt my crew will be playing this.
We've already got a hundred other mini and boardgames to play. Hell, if I really really want to get my "not-aliens" on against "not-colonial marines" we can always break out Space Hulk.
Even if I justified buying a set simply to paint and display, it'd be an unnecessary expense, and with Shadows of Brimstone calling my crew (and I'm splitting a tier with a buddy), a warboards campaign starting that I might get in on, and the holidays looming, I should probably reign my KS addiction in before things get out of hand.
I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?
I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...
So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?
And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?
whilst im not really intrested in the game (to pricey/to close to christmass) i want a set of each dice. Will there be a level where i can do this as im not intrested in paying £10 for a ruleset i don't want.
Second, the price disconnect between the Predators and everything else is just galling. In the picture below we seems (based on the renders) to have a Predator (30 GBP for 3) versus an Infant Warrior (15 GBP for 5). In other words, the figure on the left is a 10 GBP figure, the one on the right is a 3 GBP figure. Would you really look at that and think that one of those was more then three times as expensive as the other, really now? Uch.
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frankly? as a professional resin-caster? Seriously? Honestly?
Yes.
See that ultra-fine threads of mesh over the predators skin...? Very difficult to cast a lot of those without flaws and detail pulling-off in moulds (either the resin detail, or taking a chunk of the mould with it)
See the aliens smooth-surfaced limbs...? Easy on moulds, far more per-mould from those than the surfaces on the predator.
Don't fall into the common mistake that the VOLUME of the resin is the main cost factor - it isnt. Its all about mould longevity, ease of casting, failure rates and the number of parts.
So, yes. I can look at those two exact models and without needing to know anything more about them could definitively say that the Predator will cost more to produce...Does it precisely explain the price differential....
OK lets think a little more on costs...... will the number of Predators in a game be likely to equal the number of (either) Aliens or Marines...?
No.
In fact its almost certain that the number of Predators required in any game will be FAR less than Marines or Aliens. Far less.
So Prodos will sell less. .. so they need to recover their expenses over fewer sales.... and we already know the moulds will produce less.. so each figure will cost them more... . so now, just looking at the first two issue that popped into my head, we've discovered that, again, the answer to your question is "yes, really!"
I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?
I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...
So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?
And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?
Cheers
Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator 2, and Predators.
You can skip AVP, AVP Requiem, Alien3 and Alien 4.
Also, I suggest you find the AVP comic omnibus somewhere.
I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?
I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...
So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?
And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?
Cheers
From memory it would run, chronologically
Predator
Predator 2
AvP 1
AvP 2
Predators
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
You can safely cut the AvP movies and last, possibly last two, Alien movies, although some may argue against that. If Prometheus pushed your scare buttons, then Aliens and Alien are probably off the table, but are probably two of the strongest from the lineup, and don't need nostalgia support to stand on their own merit. (But are very different, Alien is a tense, suspenseful horror, Aliens is an out and out action movie)
I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?
I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...
So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?
And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?
Cheers
The commonly agreed upon "good movies" are Alien (Singular), Aliens (Plural sequel), and Predator. They're all from the late 70's to mid 80's so the effects will be a bit dated but they're great movies. If you expand beyond those 6 hours, you'll run into the movies that are OK overall but just don't live up to the originals beyond a few choice cool scenes (like swimming aliens and predator first aid). The only other thing I'd suggest is to watch the last 10 minutes of Predator 2 to see the inspiration for AVP as you see an alien skull on a Predator's trophy rack in his space ship. That scene set the stage for all this.
I'd mostly agree w/Warboss except that I would add Predators (Plural) to the list of good movies. It stands alone well but also ties nicely in with Predator.
Otherwise you're going to have trouble following the highly cerebral plot of the movies...
But seriously, do watch it in that order. Also only watch the extended versions if you can, they come crammed with lots of good stuff, and it makes Aliens 3 a whole better film than the Theatrical Release.
I don't get the hate on Aliens 3 and Alien: Resurrection. Aliens 3 extended version is great, and Alien: Resurrection is just fun all round. I actually enjoy those more than Aliens, which I find hasn't aged well in my opinion, which to many is heresy.
Also Predator's is dumb because it's trying to be like the original, but failing by all possible standards (even though Adrien Brody is cool), and the AvP franchise is the worst. Hey, spider webs in Antarctica. Yup!
You can comfortably skip Alien Resurrection, and the AvP movies, but I wouldn't want to miss any of the others. Alien 3 gets unfair gak because of the plot, but it's a good film in its' own right - can't say the same for Resurrection which is just two hours of Joss Whedon comic book crap
I liked Alien 3 .. but then I only saw the directors cut and never saw the original one and folks say the directors cut is a lot better. I didn't mind Resurrection either, but I think Aliens is my all time favorite.
Bull0 wrote: You can comfortably skip Alien Resurrection, and the AvP movies, but I wouldn't want to miss any of the others. Alien 3 gets unfair gak because of the plot, but it's a good film in its' own right - can't say the same for Resurrection which is just two hours of Joss Whedon comic book crap
"Unfair"
I understand having different opinions is a bad thing. It won't happen again.
People don't like Alien 3 because of the ridiculous tonal shift and unnecessary plot scenario since Aliens had already covered such a struggle. The movie itself is just so poor in comparison to the other films.
Hulksmash wrote: I'd mostly agree w/Warboss except that I would add Predators (Plural) to the list of good movies.
YES YES YES! It's a very fun film. I was so impressed(and relived) when I saw it theaters and I've enjoyed every viewing since.
I felt like they didn't properly introduce the "new breed" of predators and they felt shoehorned in. That was my big issue with it. I was impressed with the skinny Holocaust survivor guy's portrayal as a soldier though. I didn't think Adrien Brody would pull it off but he did quite well (if a bit too gravely voiced).
Bull0 wrote: You can comfortably skip Alien Resurrection, and the AvP movies, but I wouldn't want to miss any of the others. Alien 3 gets unfair gak because of the plot, but it's a good film in its' own right - can't say the same for Resurrection which is just two hours of Joss Whedon comic book crap
"Unfair"
I understand having different opinions is a bad thing. It won't happen again.
People don't like Alien 3 because of the ridiculous tonal shift and unnecessary plot scenario since Aliens had already covered such a struggle. The movie itself is just so poor in comparison to the other films.
Overreact much? I wasn't necessarily saying you give it unfair gak, just that I think some people do. I'm not saying disliking the film is unfair. I'm saying *some people* give it unfair gak because they didn't like major characters getting killed off.
Manchu wrote: The recent DVD release cut of Alien 3 is pretty darn good. It's no Aliens (James Cameron) -- but nothing is.
Amazon recently had a multidisc BluRay bundle of all the Aliens movies and special features for a REALLY good price. I had most of them on DVD but picked up the set.
Manchu wrote: The recent DVD release cut of Alien 3 is pretty darn good. It's no Aliens (James Cameron) -- but nothing is.
Amazon recently had a multidisc BluRay bundle of all the Aliens movies and special features for a REALLY good price. I had most of them on DVD but picked up the set.
That's the one I'm talking about. I got it when it came out and it is a deal even at full price. The amazon deal was simply astounding. You can brag about that price for years to come.
I actually haven't seen most of these movies... I can't remember why, I think maybe I wasn't allowed to as a child, and because I wasn't into the franchise missed the later ones?
I did go see Prometheus in the theater, and just for reference, that's about the limit of my "scare tolerance" . I also saw one where I believe they were underground in the arctic or the like for most of the movie, and clips of others...
So, with that said, what is your recommended viewing order for me to catch up on this?
And even more importantly, what is the terrible one (ones?) that people seem to want to blot from their memories, that I will probably skip?
Cheers
Oh dear !
I would suggest that you watch them all in the order they were released rather than chronological order, I think that suits them better, Theres not one I do not like to be honest, although the story is lacking a a few of them and I am easily entertained by some special effects as long as the setting is decent.
Having said that, be aware that if prometheus scared you then most of the alien series may well have the same effect, the older ones more so than the more recent ones.
Hi Prodos if the retail box is going to be one-piece models will there be expansion boxes of just the figures for retail later, and if so will they be multi-part or single piece?
I'm not really interested in the game, but would like to pick up some models so it comes down to whether I buy the ones I want at retail or throw a club member a few quid for some add-ons on the KS.
. But no early birds, so no need to rush to decide on this.
) example of this. Generally, it doesn't scale up to more models(/units) per side very well, but it gives a very involved, fluid skirmish feel. 
Completely misread your post, my fault mate and it wasn't a nasty post but hope you didn't take offence at it !
