While I'm not going to put it past Mantic to have messed that up somehow, could those not simply be the sample models before the production run? They don't look like they're actually the models themselves, but instead it appears they're a label on a box. In that case, I wouldn't expect them to use a clear plastic since it wouldn't show up as well.

Not that it guarantees they didn't do exact what we're fearing, because Mantic, but let's not ignore other viable explanations until further information makes it clear where reality lies.

I know... But Mantic does tend to open themselves up for this type of criticism.

Even though I'm not getting these, I do hope the MVP figs actually sent to customers are the clear/colored figs to match the respective teams.

It's confirmed in the comments that the picture is of someone's wave 2 delivery they came from a Facebook post so the 2 MVPs are definitely grey plastic

Yep, wave 2 delivery, you can see the packaging underneath.

Man, I should have bought another set of MVPs to use in Deadzone. Especially Excavator.

Quick question, where do I address the package so that I can send back my Crypt and Phantasm so that I can have them replaced with ones made in the material I paid for?

 NTRabbit wrote:
Quick question, where do I address the package so that I can send back my Crypt and Phantasm so that I can have them replaced with ones made in the material I paid for?

I just went through all the updates. They never actually said those MVPs would be in clear plastic, just the teams themselves. I think we all just kinda assumed the MVPs would get the same treatment.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, wave 2 delivery, you can see the packaging underneath.

Then yep...Mantic, almost.

 Alex C wrote:

I just went through all the updates. They never actually said those MVPs would be in clear plastic, just the teams themselves. I think we all just kinda assumed the MVPs would get the same treatment.

Lol.

Dakka... assumptions.

So still no plastic Enforcers my end that I am owed from my initial pledge. Do I wait assuming that they are in the mail (I thought that all Wave 3 DZ packages had been sent?) or shoot off a missing items survey?

Or are Mantic just being tediously vindictive as I pulled my £200 Wave 3 extra payment as they could not be arsed to show off the production minis before I paid for them?

It's not the best photo of them, but from what I can see, the MVPs turned out great. Most, maybe all of mine will be getting Deadzonified eventually, and they look like they'll add a lot of personality.

The fluff covering the opaque Crystallan / Ada-Lorena MVPs is actually remarkably literate. The Crystallan are this incredibly original commentary on society, such that socially invisible types ("what's-his-name," "so-and-so," "Bubba") become physically translucent, while named individuals become more opaque as their identities calcify. In an ironic twist that might have come from the pen of Oscar Wilde's cousin's brother's neighbor, famous Crystallan inevitably devolve into complete immobility and become their own living memorials, like Hollywood celebrities entombed alive inside their own concrete plots on the Walk of Fame. You want fame? Well, fame costs. And right here is where you start paying. With sweat. And Petrification.

As for the Ada-Lorena, I thought everybody knew that males are translucent, females are opaque. It's a chilling allegory of gender identity and androgynarchal oppression in an sexually asexual world worthy of Margaret Atwood's publicist's half-brother.

@Thraxas of Tural - I haven't received anything from Deadzone wave 3 yet either, and I didn't cancel anything, so it's not just you.

If you did a chargeback rather than request a refund, they may well pull your Wave 3 because of fees from the bank.

Neither, they requested £200 as a result of 2nd/3rd survey, I said nope as they had not showed the goods.

They have the $150 from my initial pledge, which is what the owed Enforcers are from.

But as Vermonter has said it just seems like the 3rd wave have not all been sent out. I would not like to be an order picker at Mantic HQ with the workload they have.

Ahh, gotcha.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:I finally received a reply. So I guess Mintic's CS is 100% fine now, even for entitled babies like me who actually do want responses to our inquiries.







Hopefully Alpharius will hold up his end of the bargain and disable the bomb-collar.

This is good news for me...

...and for you!

pretre wrote:That may be a bit over dramatic.

Are you not Entertained?!?

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
So still no plastic Enforcers my end that I am owed from my initial pledge. Do I wait assuming that they are in the mail (I thought that all Wave 3 DZ packages had been sent?) or shoot off a missing items survey?

Or are Mantic just being tediously vindictive as I pulled my £200 Wave 3 extra payment as they could not be arsed to show off the production minis before I paid for them?

It's probably worthwhile to send Stewart an email. As much as I complain about Mantic's delays, I find it hard to believe they would be vindictive. I think I would have seen some of that pointed my way by now if they were the type.

Still waiting on my Deadzone wave 3 package, but I got my Dreadball Xtreme shipment in the mail today.

I'm pretty pleased with the MVP figures. Unfortunately, my Kryphos was miscast; half his face has been blotted out by bad casting. I'd be curious to know if this is a universal problem, or just a one-off fluke, before I email Mantic and ask them for a replacement.

Outside of that, the MVPs and Rebs are generally well-done and ripe for Deadzone modification. Outside of the head problem, Kryphos' body / tentacles are particularly nice.

Oh, and the Teraton booster I ordered showed up as a rather heavy little pack of metal figures. Not sure how I feel about them yet. The sculpts are great, and the metal casts may be crisper in detail overall, but my original team PVC Teratons had no casting flaws and went together well, while these metal ones have some blobbed out areas where detail was lost to miscasting, and they don't go together easily.

I'll be asking for a replacement Kryphos, but I may just keep these metal Teratons, as I was planning on modding them for Deadzone anyway, and the metal is kind of cool outside of the flaws.

Yes, the team boosters for Season 3 were all metal - evidently the boosters weren't selling well enough to justify plastic tooling by that point. Although...the Kickstarter supposedly paid for the tooling, so not quite sure what happened there. I certainly have had casting issues with Mantic metals (ironically one-man operations like Heresy tend to have near flawless castings), so will be keeping an eye out for the Teratons/Nameless I ordered!

Bioptic wrote:
Yes, the team boosters for Season 3 were all metal - evidently the boosters weren't selling well enough to justify plastic tooling by that point. Although...the Kickstarter supposedly paid for the tooling, so not quite sure what happened there. I certainly have had casting issues with Mantic metals (ironically one-man operations like Heresy tend to have near flawless castings), so will be keeping an eye out for the Teratons/Nameless I ordered!

Thanks, Bioptic, that's good to know. I didn't realize that all the Season 3 boosters were done in metal . . . I somehow had the impression that there'd been both metal and plastic batches. Now I won't be tempted to waste time hunting down a non-existent PVC version of the Teraton booster.

Um...not sure where that idea came from... I have all plastic Terratons. All of my wave 3 Dreadball was Restic. I heard they switched materials partway through. Not sure which was the original batch, but there are definitely metal and restic floating out there.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Um...not sure where that idea came from... I have all plastic Terratons. All of my wave 3 Dreadball was Restic. I heard they switched materials partway through. Not sure which was the original batch, but there are definitely metal and restic floating out there.

The teams are PVC but the boosters were metal, right? (prone figs, keeper, etc)

As an aside, the Fortified sprues are the worst of the battlezone sprues. Ugh. I love their terrain, but really those are really not the best.

It was actually the subject of some considerable ire at the time, because Mantic didn't tell anyone about the material change before shipping out the Kickstarter Season 3 boosters!

Offical response from James Hewitt at the time was:

The choice to go with metal for the DreadBall Season 3 boosters wasn't one we made lightly, but we decided that as most people who pick up Season 3 teams (especially the boosters) are more experienced players, they'd appreciate the added detail and fewer mould lines that metal gives you. Of course, in hindsight, I think we'd ideally have done things differently.

Dreadball definitely benefits from being all-plastic though, as it is the epitome of "shove two teams inside the box, put the box in your backpack". I'm now imagining the metal Teratons as tiny wrecking balls, snapping the lithe limbs of the Judwan... I'm very pleased indeed with the material shown so far in Xtreme.

Quick question, how were the Dreadball Xtreme 2nd wave packages posted in the UK? DPD have been a pain with a parcel of mine and I'm trying to figure out if Mantic sent it.

Yeah, I got a bunch of the more interesting DBO xenos teams in the DBX manager, but I heard some teams were metal, so I checked on the Mantic shop site, and skipped all the metal teams (I hope).

Got box two of my final deadzone shipment last night. Aside from the admitted base problem, nothing was missing. I actually got 1 more peacekeeper sprue than I was expecting too.

Oooh fancy, can't complain about that those guys are cool.

I think the only extras that I'm *aware of* at this point were in the marauder and plague baggies from the first shipment. That thing where they gave you a whole bag when you were just supposed to get a few models out of it. Think it was the third part of the booster bundle, the extra specialists, plus whatever came in the bag with them. So extra marauder captain, extra 1st gen, etc.

Looking forward to wave 2 DBX so I can get 'hold of the stinking free agents and sponsors they missed on the first wave

So, I've got a 'You were out' today, I don't know whether it's missing Deadzone things, or maybe Dreadball Wave 4. - Anyone got any guesses?

Does anyone have a picture of the regular enforcers assembled? I was having trouble figuring out how the last 2's legs attach. It's possible I may have mixed a leg between them but I don't think so.

They're running. One is running with the right leg back, the other is running with the left leg back. Lemme get a picture of what I did with mine...





At least, that's what I could come up with!

Like so?

Grimdork's pics match how I assembled my sprues.

Oooh I think I may like pretre's better. At least you can get them more than one way, cool. I'll have to do the moving instead of running poses for them next time.

I managed to pull off some weird poses with mine (the pic I posted is just from GIS), including some legs way out to the side kinda things (crouching with leg stabilizing). They are definitely cool.

Seems like one could potentially take the two walking/running leg sets and mix them to get another standing set and then one thats... sitting? Falling, jetpacking? I'll have to play around with the poses some more on the next team.

May be possible, just have to check the joins.

I have 30 of the suckers and haven't even clipped one off the sprue yet... having too much fun playing MA and DBX.

 GrimDork wrote:
Seems like one could potentially take the two walking/running leg sets and mix them to get another standing set and then one thats... sitting? Falling, jetpacking? I'll have to play around with the poses some more on the next team.

squatting.

I did it, and he is squatting.

Squatting huh?

I'll have to try it for sure now.

At least the standing pair of legs look good.

 GrimDork wrote:
They're running. One is running with the right leg back, the other is running with the left leg back. Lemme get a picture of what I did with mine...





At least, that's what I could come up with!

 pretre wrote:
Like so?

Those look like nice poses. Thanks for posting guys. I may need to get some of those guys.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Seems like one could potentially take the two walking/running leg sets and mix them to get another standing set and then one thats... sitting? Falling, jetpacking? I'll have to play around with the poses some more on the next team.

squatting.

I did it, and he is squatting.

This just makes me want to get them more. I wonder if I could actually model an enforcer doing squats? That would be awesome.

Almost all of the pistol and blade arms are bent at the elbow, so probably.

I am Enforcer Unit 6
and I am enforcer Unit 7

And we are going to PUMP
slap slap
YOU UP!

Peacekeeper arms and torso on enforcer legs?

Is the Martian Deadzone deck worth getting? I got the human one (but haven't gotten around to opening it).

Do you want to use your martians in Deadzone?

Both of those decks are waaaay more fleshed out than any of the 6 deadzone factions for sheer number of units available. I can't speak as to whether or not they're all good or how they stack up compared to the other decks though. Human deck has more units too I think, but both decks have a lot.

Would the human deck have enough options that I could proxy some IG and use their rules in DZ? Or would Rebs be better suited to DZ proxying?

Human deck has a ridiculous amount of options.

Martian deck has over 20 unit cards. Enforcer deck I think is closer to.. 12? Human deck has just over 30...

Gotta remember 9 of those are heroes of greenville which may or may not work for other stuff but..

5 profiles for army dudes, cheap grunts on par with reb troops likely. Trooper, grenade launcher guy, missile dude, hmg dude, sarge. All pretty good for guardsmen I'd think.

The novas vira militia is only 3 points though they're pretty lame. Might be a good way to implement conscripts.
Two more NV heavy weapons, one's frag and one is high ap, same stats as the soldiers though so easy cover for a heavy weapon trooper or team(one has CSW and 2 models).

Can take the army trucks for 10 points, might maybe convince people to let you use a chimera though the truck is more inline with one of those little dune buggy things forgeworld makes.. y'know not a taurox but a T...hing...?

Falco and Natalya would make good covers for assassins, Falco has vindicare written all over him. Or I guess any other super duper crackshot sniper really.

The Tiger Corps as well as Corus and the bounty hunters would all be great to represent carapace or light powered armor. Or heavy powered armor, they've got 2 armor so they're as buff as enforcers and most of them have high AP guns. Bounty hunter would probably serve well as a stormtrooper/scion/whatever.

The various heroes of greenville could probably work pretty well to cover any misc guardsman/leader/possibly commissar if need be as well.



As for the martian deck... I could see a lot of different approaches. You could have an entire force with scout via stealth martians (2-1 commaner, sniper, and a trooper)... Bug-based melee monster mash (don't forget wrex!), got stats for the saucer and big stompy too! Just.. I dunno lots of types of models. 3 stealth martian options, several for martian grunts, martian marines, and science division, and a bunch of characters to choose from.

Okay, that sounds fun. I've been on the fence regarding the Mantic winter sale, so the deck will push me over the free shipping limit.

Sounds like they'll be the way to go! And the T thing is a Tauros Assault Vehicle, lovely things, I have 2 little ones and 2 of the Venators. Are the rules available free from Mantic, or is it only as a Mars Attacks purchase/other purchase from Mantic?


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Thanks for the run down by the way! Much appreciated

Got my Dreadball Xtreme Wave 2 yesterday, and in case it hasn't been confirmed, the contents (assuming you were eligible for them depending on pledge level/add-ons) are:

- Any remaining DBO stuff due to you (although they managed to forget it entirely in my case...)
- The metal cheerleaders & fans if you bought them. There are now 4 fans rather than the promised 3.
- A roster pad.
- Any additional base box scenery (crates, strike posts) if you bought them.
- A bag containing the non-expansion Rampage MVPs, Ardia Sponsor, rush tracker cheerleader & extra bag of free agents (including doubles of Blaine and the Warden. Yes, including the MVPs for races they haven't delivered yet. The Tsudochan is extremely dinky.
- Bags for any season 4 teams you are due from the following:
i) Hobgoblins
ii) Sphyr
iii) Rebs
iv) Brokkrs
10 models to a bag (8 team members & 2 prones), you get 1 bag for a normal team, 2 for a 'maximised' team. There are always 2 of each pose to a bag. Exception are Hobgoblins, with 9 to a bag (1 troll). I had an error in one bag (a Sphyr where there should have been a Rebs frogman), so check these!
- Clear hex bases for all of the above. Might have to count that carefully - I was being sent individual bases mixed in loose.
- A hard copy of the DBO season 4 rulebook.

Not exactly the CMON level where you get everything in retail packaging and know that it will be 100% accurate, but a big improvement over the Deadzone stuff.

I just got a Mantic missing bits generic email moments ago. It was sent to approximately seven billion email addresses, and I just received what I can only presume to be the first of 1 billion "Cheers mate" responses. FML


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I'm now at three replies.

Hah! Just got a very polite email from Dave at Mantic explaining that my query would be dealt with over the next couple of weeks, which cc'ed...everyone who had submitted a query, email addresses and all.

Privacy aside, this means that at least 497 people have outstanding queries - I assume that this is store/Kickstarter independent though, so probably not very useful to calculate a % incidence.

Haha, looks like we're in the same boat, mate! This is quite considerably frustrating, and seems like a very rookie mistake to make.

I got that too...at least our bank details were not included. Totally schoolboy and shoddy error to make.

I'm gonna 'reply to all' multiple times throughout the weekend, often attaching large files, just for giggles.

 Gallahad wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Seems like one could potentially take the two walking/running leg sets and mix them to get another standing set and then one thats... sitting? Falling, jetpacking? I'll have to play around with the poses some more on the next team.

squatting.

I did it, and he is squatting.

This just makes me want to get them more. I wonder if I could actually model an enforcer doing squats? That would be awesome.

Oh jam. Hadn't even thought of that. Sitting, for Antenociti's Workshop vehicles or 1/48 ultramodern kits (like JGSDF armor)
YAY!

That's what I was thinking it may be used for.

AK: which rules? Most mantic rules go up for free eventually but the card decks I was talking about are probably always gonna cost money. PDFs exist of most/all of the card decks but I dunno if those will end up hitting the free rules page at some point or not.

DBX wave 2 arrived all present and correct the casts are very nice possibly the best Mantic have done yet only Brute Force looks a little skinny from shrinkage but her mech sort of compensates for that. I ended up with 2 Graks I bought 1 as he was added to Fenzy level only (backed Rampage) but there is 1 in with the MVPs pack so it looks like every one gets one now. The other is DZ conversion fodder I guess .

I think some will be disappointed with the size of the Tsudochan - they are zee sized - they didn't look that small in the renders. On the other hand Kryphos has me rethinking not getting the Koris.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Almost all of the pistol and blade arms are bent at the elbow, so probably.

On a similar note, the double pistol enforcer needs a stat card.

 AkhilleusK42 wrote:
I just got a Mantic missing bits generic email moments ago. It was sent to approximately seven billion email addresses, and I just received what I can only presume to be the first of 1 billion "Cheers mate" responses. FML


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I'm now at three replies.

At least the Italian guy sent us his address...

To be fair, while all the email addresses being shared is Mantic's fault, anyone hitting reply all back...

Ada-Lorena team preview

As you can see, this see-through blue plastic miniature has had a little paint and a wash added to allow you to see the detail in the photography.

Have any US backers gotten Wave 2 stuff yet?

I figure we should start seeing them arrive in the US in the next week or so, if they haven't already started to appear.

I think they're trickling through.

I haven't got mine yet though.

I know a good way you can ask a fewh hundred people all at the same time....

 DaveC wrote:
DBX wave 2 arrived all present and correct the casts are very nice possibly the best Mantic have done yet only Brute Force looks a little skinny from shrinkage but her mech sort of compensates for that. I ended up with 2 Graks I bought 1 as he was added to Fenzy level only (backed Rampage) but there is 1 in with the MVPs pack so it looks like every one gets one now. The other is DZ conversion fodder I guess .

I think some will be disappointed with the size of the Tsudochan - they are zee sized - they didn't look that small in the renders. On the other hand Kryphos has me rethinking not getting the Koris.

They weren't that small in the renders! I thought that this one was for an MVP:



It's possible that they've gone for a Yoda look on the cowled one, given that they can use the force to throw things around and he's meant to be a particularly powerful one...

I do not play Dreadball, but that Ada-Lorena team preview looks great. Glad to see that Mantic's experiments with the blue/clear plastic seems to be a success.

(as an aside did they do any similar coloured plastics for Mars Attacks, and if so how did people think they turned out?).

According to the latest Mantic newsletter (to tell us there won't be a newsletter this week), they mention something 'top secret, important and not a KS'...

Any ideas? Thoughts? Rampant and unfounded speculation? Let the games commence!

Maybe after the success of Mars Attacks another tie in with another IP? Pure guesswork on my part though Para.

DAT glowy space cop... Neat.

 Paradigm wrote:
According to the latest Mantic newsletter (to tell us there won't be a newsletter this week), they mention something 'top secret, important and not a KS'...

Any ideas? Thoughts? Rampant and unfounded speculation? Let the games commence!

They began interviewing for an additional one person to help package kickstarters to help get them out the door faster. So far the guy from the blind school is their favorite candidate as he shows great skill in jamming stuff into boxes in record time.

Nevermind...

Wave 3 according to mission control.

@Highlord Tamburlaine - I got my Wave 2 DBX stuff about a week ago. Still waiting on my final Deadzone order, though.

Top secret and not a kickstarter? I doubt it's deadzone, or warpath related then...

LOKA 2 Electric Boogaloo?

I'd say Twilight Kin release but I doubt they funded, tooled, had painted, etc, etc, such a thing without any leaks before hand.

No idea.

I'm flummoxed over the fact that it isn't a Kickstarter. That's basically the Mantic modus operandi these days, no?

I'm going to guess it's a board game. Why? I don't know. Mantic seem to be doing well with their board games.

Whatever it is, I feel like it'll be small and self- contained. The big sprawling product lines seem reserved for KS. Or at least that would make the most sense.

I wonder when we get to find out. I didn't see a disclosure date in the email.

Warpath beta rules?

If I had to put money on it, my bet would be them releasing details on their upcoming computer game.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Warpath beta rules?

Afraid not.

 Compel wrote:
If I had to put money on it, my bet would be them releasing details on their upcoming computer game.

I doubt they're doing one just yet, but I could see it in future. A Deadzone FPS would be awesome, as would a Dungeon-Saga-themed RPG.

I'm pretty sure they announced there was one coming about 6 months ago.

They did? I must have missed that, but if so, consider my interest potentially piqued...

Bioptic wrote:
Hah! Just got a very polite email from Dave at Mantic explaining that my query would be dealt with over the next couple of weeks, which cc'ed...everyone who had submitted a query, email addresses and all.

Privacy aside, this means that at least 497 people have outstanding queries - I assume that this is store/Kickstarter independent though, so probably not very useful to calculate a % incidence.

Might be worth sending an email to Dave explaining what BCC is and how it works.

CptJake wrote:I'm gonna 'reply to all' multiple times throughout the weekend, often attaching large files, just for giggles.

My hatred for you is the molten steel that will forge the sabre of your demise

GrimDork wrote:That's what I was thinking it may be used for.

AK: which rules? Most mantic rules go up for free eventually but the card decks I was talking about are probably always gonna cost money. PDFs exist of most/all of the card decks but I dunno if those will end up hitting the free rules page at some point or not.

You guessed it, I was hoping that the human Mars Attacks rules would be available for free, which it seems they're not, I guess I'll ask nicely for them to put it in my missing pieces order

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 AkhilleusK42 wrote:
I just got a Mantic missing bits generic email moments ago. It was sent to approximately seven billion email addresses, and I just received what I can only presume to be the first of 1 billion "Cheers mate" responses. FML


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I'm now at three replies.

At least the Italian guy sent us his address...

Don't let CptJake read that!

BobtheInquisitor wrote:I know a good way you can ask a fewh hundred people all at the same time....

Exalted, haha

Whatever the secret is seems to be related to how they've been letting a lot of warehouse stock wind down the last 2 months. Or at least that's the impression I got from the email.

Looks like the Ada-Lorena renders were reworked, at least for the one miniature that is on display in the recent newsletter email. The figure's pose looks like it's probably a revision of the 2nd render from the left. Glad they got rid of the Space mickey mouse ears, too.

I'm actually pretty happy about this. I was probably the only one, but I really didn't care for the original Ada-Lorena poses. They kind of looked like four DC comics OMACs posing for a KISS album cover. The first two poses in particular don't look particularly sporty (to my eye, they're more "don't hate me because I'm beautiful.")

The production figure still looks like an OMAC, but hell, I like OMACs, and it has an ethereally creepy vibe I quite like. Phantasm, despite being opaque, is also a wonderful model, and a nice Javert for Blaine.
I'll be giving the Ada-Lorena a second look now.

One other thing - weren't the Ada-Lorena supposed to be larger than normal human-sized creatures? Phantasm is slightly "afloat", but otherwise he's got a pretty standard 28mm size to my eye.

I don't want to speak too soon but... From just looking at the bags themselves, Dreadball Extreme wave 2 might very well be the first time when I've not had to fill out a missing parts form from a mantic kickstarter wave.

Mantic even sent me a bag of the kalyshi in the wave, presumably to make up for the missing arm I reported in dbx wave 1.

On top of that, I'm really loving the star player models. So many of them would actually fit in as random civilian and alien models to add colour in other games.

Come to think of it, not many games companies have their sci fi settings that encourage random aliens wandering about. 40K, Infinity, Dropzone Commander are all very much human centric, with some other alien factions or empires too. Dreadball has done amazingly well at giving the Warpath universe a different vibe, something closer to Star Wars, Trek or Mass Effect.

Now there's a thought, a Mantic Mos Eisley cantina scene. Thumbs up from me so far.

Hmm secret project from mantic, Not a kickstarter. How about this gentleman, fantasy flight games is no longer producing the gears of war board game could mantic have picked it up?

Game of Thrones license, using the KoW ruleset is my only hope.

Will probably be something as random as Mars Attacks, though.

No Kickstarter will make things interesting, adds a bit of mystery to their release schedule rather than us knowing it all a year in advance.

Aren't you doing rule testing and whatnot Scarletsquig? Come on, spill the beans mate

 Compel wrote:
If I had to put money on it, my bet would be them releasing details on their upcoming computer game.

Ah yes I forgot about that, wonder if that's what it is? Certainly something like Dreadball or Deadzone would fit into a video game template pretty well.

^ Even I'm clueless on this one!

Video game would be awesome, can see Deadzone translating very well as a turn-based game.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Even I'm clueless on this one!

Video game would be awesome, can see Deadzone translating very well as a turn-based game.

Even Matt claims ignorance!

Deadzone would work on PC on the XCOM: Enemy Unknown engine as readily as XCOM would work on the tabletop with the Deadzone engine, but XCOM is already licensed to FFG

Yeah won't be xcom.

My heart cries for a Stargate game with mantics simple rules, but I dunno if anything is going in with that IP.

 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah won't be xcom.

My heart cries for a Stargate game with mantics simple rules, but I dunno if anything is going in with that IP.

Stargate would be sweet.

Mass Effect could be cool too.

Or if Mantic started making Battletech minis based off of the Mechwarrior Online designs...

GoT seems unlikely, since someone else has the licence for miniatures. Darksword Miniatures, I think?

Garbage Pail Kids.



Or maybe Jupiter Ascending?

Catching Fire skirmish game , you actually set your least favorite mantic figures on fire. They took Feedback from old forum posts to heart, it's just taken them a while to get the license.

my wishes:

1. Gears of War

2. Edge of Tomorrow/All You Need is Kill/Live Die Repeat

whats reality:

Battletoads.

Theophony wrote:Catching Fire skirmish game

You laugh, but a Hunger Games type thing based on the Mantic rules could actually work really well. You'd need a slightly larget board than DZ, and max 2 minis per player (you could have multiple players, though). You build a character, have various weapons scattered over the map (some hidden, some revealed) and let the games begin. Last man or woman standing wins.

GrimDork wrote:
My heart cries for a Stargate game with mantics simple rules, but I dunno if anything is going in with that IP.

Just an excuse to buy te HF not-SG-1 minis?

Triszin wrote:

whats reality:

Battletoads.

Hey, don't knock Battletoads! That was a great game back in the day.

Particularly the epic Battletoads / Double Dragon crossover.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Or maybe Jupiter Ascending?

I hope not for Mantic's sake, the advance word seems to suggest that it is the next Battlefield:Earth.

I could buy those for pulp alley, just think the IP has a lot to offer.

 GrimDork wrote:
I could buy those for pulp alley, just think the IP has a lot to offer.

True, it does. Only a few factions so you could keep it tight (I'm thinking humans, Jaffar and Goa'uld), but each would look and play very differently, so there would be plenty of variety. Stargates themselves could be interesting as mission focal points, and there would be plenty of environment/terrain options.

Triszin wrote:
my wishes:

1. Gears of War

2. Edge of Tomorrow/All You Need is Kill/Live Die Repeat

whats reality:

Battletoads.

FFG currently has the GOW license and a game in production (albeit a board game that is heavy on the minis).

There's also the Atlantis friends and foes and the Lucian alliance depending on what time you pick. Orai too.

Ah, I never really got into Atlantis, and kind of lost track of SG1 before the Orai stuff really got going. But I shall retract my earlier statement and change it to 'there's loads of options for expansion!'. Either way, a Stargate game would be cool.

 warboss wrote:

Triszin wrote:
my wishes:

1. Gears of War

2. Edge of Tomorrow/All You Need is Kill/Live Die Repeat

whats reality:

Battletoads.

FFG currently has the GOW license and a game in production (albeit a board game that is heavy on the minis).

I have the Gears mini's from the FFG game, but I want someone to do the entire range, bloodmounts, brumarks, grinders/maulers, all the cogs, uir.

And not have it be gak heroclix

I can dream. T.T

edit:

just checked, Gears of War is no longer available by FFG.

Triszin wrote:

I have the Gears mini's from the FFG game, but I want someone to do the entire range, bloodmounts, brumarks, grinders/maulers, all the cogs, uir.

And not have it be gak heroclix

I can dream. T.T

edit:

just checked, Gears of War is no longer available by FFG.

You are correct and that is definitely a new thing. It was there back in november when I checked on getting a second copy during their 75% off sale and according to this post in their now "archived" forum (GOW doesn't show up as a forum in their current community lineup) even in January.

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/130949-gears-of-war-to-be-out-of-print-soon/

Maybe someone will pick it up eventually but I don't think it is Mantic just yet so it might be best to leave the speculation for a separate misc games thread.

Ya, I'd love to see mantic or hell, even GW to pick up the Gears of War range. Lots of opportunities with the universe. and everything is designed fantastically.

Marvel: Civil War.

I already have my teams!!

My first thought when I saw the Mordheim video game was "This woukd be excellent if it was Deadzone".

 Theophony wrote:
Catching Fire skirmish game , you actually set your least favorite mantic figures on fire. They took Feedback from old forum posts to heart, it's just taken them a while to get the license.

And when the flames died down, all that remained of the restic material was the mold lines...

I would play that game!

A fully fleshed Gears of War line would be great. That was the biggest travesty of the FFG version. It played well, it was tough, but they didn't get to the bigger, tougher, scarier stuff!

Also got my dbx round 2 stuff. I don't see Atlas (MVP guy) or Eclipse (one of the sponsors) in my bag of goodies. Are they for the final round of shipping, or am I stuck sending another missing parts query?

Really like the variety of MVPs though. There's quite a lot of shapes and sizes on display. Can't wait to have rules to actually use with them all! Still waiting for my dragon dude in the challenge cup though...

I wonder if they'll let us still add stuff to our orders. I meant to get the transparent teams and forgot to order them.

Eclipse is wave 3 with the remaining sponsors only Ardia Shi'lek made wave 2 no idea who you mean by Atlas though?

 GrimDork wrote:
There's also the Atlantis friends and foes and the Lucian alliance depending on what time you pick. Orai too.

How DARE you discuss exciting SG1 factions and leave out the replicators. I spit at your feet, 'sir'.


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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Or maybe Jupiter Ascending?

I hope not for Mantic's sake, the advance word seems to suggest that it is the next Battlefield:Earth.

That movie has at least one spaceship carrying a power armored dragonman. Those are literally the ingredients to the best movie ever, so how could they screw it up?

I was going to, I ran out of time to make my posts. It has been nagging me, so thanks for pointing that out. Probably one of the coolest bad guys they could do actually

Mantic to get the starcraft tabletop license please. Full hard plastic multipose ranges of terran, zerg and protoss. Skirmish with hero mechanics scaling to large scale battles. I'd drop so much cash on that it's not funny -_- Or video games of Mantics ranges, that would be fine too : )

Wonder how blizzard would be to work with in terms of licensing...

Maybe they're pulling our legs and it'll be a new version of fisty glue man?

Well tbh I'd buy a fisty glue man miniature too ; p Though I guess I could make it... blegh, so much work ; p

Supposedly Blizzard are annoying to work with for licensing, recall hearing that last time this came up.

Asylum is who I was missing, not ...Atlas? Tattooed face mask guy in a loincloth.

I blame the alcohol on that one.

 GrimDork wrote:
I was going to, I ran out of time to make my posts. It has been nagging me, so thanks for pointing that out. Probably one of the coolest bad guys they could do actually

All is forgiven. I hope it's SG1, too.


However, Starcraft Zerg in hard plastic? I've got a blank space, baby, and I'll write their name.

Are we sure this secret surprise is actually going to be another game? I thought it was related to all of their current stock of minis being run down

Yup, 'project' could mean anything. Life size Fisty Glue Man, anyone?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I was going to, I ran out of time to make my posts. It has been nagging me, so thanks for pointing that out. Probably one of the coolest bad guys they could do actually

All is forgiven. I hope it's SG1, too.


However, Starcraft Zerg in hard plastic? I've got a blank space, baby, and I'll write their name.

A SC minis game would be about the only KS (Mantic or otherwise) that I would probably ever back.
That said, I'd think and also hope that FFG would get dibs if SC the miniatures game ever became a possibility.
I'm a fan of both companies but FFG would make sure to distribute the heck out of the game and I could actually buy and play it at FLGSs in the states.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Asylum is who I was missing, not ...Atlas? Tattooed face mask guy in a loincloth.

I blame the alcohol on that one.

yeah he's wave 2 better ask for a replacement

 Tyr13 wrote:
GoT seems unlikely, since someone else has the licence for miniatures. Darksword Miniatures, I think?

Darksword are producing models based on George R. Martin's vision of the characters, not an actual likeness to the uniforms or characters in the TV series, so there may still be some scope for models there.

Oh mustn't have been paying attention, DBX stuff arrived, wasn't expecting it. Looking really good. Prety much getting everything for DBX so got my 2x DBX shirts (really nice!) 2x dice bags, ks dice, extra coloured dice and etched brass. All looks really good. Minis look good so far but haven't had too close a look, everything that should be there is there though will check each baggie for each individual team member still.

My DBX scenery and rush tracker arrived, but not the deluxe mat...

Which deluxe mat? The one that comes inside the base game box? Or the DBO one? If the latter, I believe that this wasn't shipping with Wave 2.

There's an interview with Chris Palmer in Ironwatch 30 of note:

Q: Are there any co-operations with other companies planned (like Miniatures scenery or Dreamforge Games)?

A: oh Yes!

Which is curious if it is indeed DFG who I know are eyeing a new terrain system to make "normal" buildings (versus Mantic's existing grid-based system). Collaboration with Mantic for funding would help both Iron-Core and WarPath, and if WGF is on board (as I doubt they'd want to have DFG going elsewhere for plastics) that could be a most interesting thing indeed.

Probably too far into the realm of wish-listing, but speculation can be fun.

My hardback Mars Attacks Compendium arrived today. Tick that KS off the list

Bioptic wrote:
Which deluxe mat? The one that comes inside the base game box? Or the DBO one? If the latter, I believe that this wasn't shipping with Wave 2.

DBO. Thanks for clearing that up, Bioptic!

My DBX2 arrived today. In a hefty dose of "Mantic Almost", they left out half my Chromium Chargers and Z'zor boosters. I guess nobody let the packers know that these come in pairs of identical baggies, so I only got one of each.

There was also only half a crate/goal sprue in my Xtra Game pack, so I can actually only play one and a half concurrent games.

 DaveC wrote:
My hardback Mars Attacks Compendium arrived today. Tick that KS off the list

Nice, how is it? Good quality?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
My DBX2 arrived today. In a hefty dose of "Mantic Almost", they left out half my Chromium Chargers and Z'zor boosters. I guess nobody let the packers know that these come in pairs of identical baggies, so I only got one of each.

There was also only half a crate/goal sprue in my Xtra Game pack, so I can actually only play one and a half concurrent games.

Doh haha, ahh well they'll send it out ofc but still annoying. I can only run 7 concurrent games (hard plastic scatter terrain damnit!!)... I assume, didn't check each individual piece, guess I should get on that -_-

privateer4hire wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I was going to, I ran out of time to make my posts. It has been nagging me, so thanks for pointing that out. Probably one of the coolest bad guys they could do actually

All is forgiven. I hope it's SG1, too.


However, Starcraft Zerg in hard plastic? I've got a blank space, baby, and I'll write their name.

A SC minis game would be about the only KS (Mantic or otherwise) that I would probably ever back.
That said, I'd think and also hope that FFG would get dibs if SC the miniatures game ever became a possibility.
I'm a fan of both companies but FFG would make sure to distribute the heck out of the game and I could actually buy and play it at FLGSs in the states.

There was a Starcraft board game that included miniatures

Boardgame != wargame though sadly. Hard plastic multi-pose full range of minis of the quality from WGF with DFG or WWX would be amazing. Though I'd accept Mantics current hard palstic quality I guess ; p But such a good liense deserves full hard plastic imo not monopose restic or boardgame plastic.

My life for Aiur!

If we are wish listing I would love any of the following with the unlikely caveat I would hope that mantic almost stops being their unofficial slogan.

Star craft
Mass effect
Gears of war

Something 1950s private detective style

Anything modern day might be interesting think the game payday the heist but in miniatures would be a lot of fun.

If you haven't played payday just think heisting game that would allow you to play scenes from films such as Heat. Where you have to manage PC hostages and if you are caught the polie come running and the more people you kill the harder the waves of police come. I am thinking coop game against AI or coop with one person controlling the police.

A narrative rpg with simplistic rules for minitures based combat




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 Yonan wrote:
Boardgame != wargame though sadly. Hard plastic multi-pose full range of minis of the quality from WGF with DFG or WWX would be amazing. Though I'd accept Mantics current hard palstic quality I guess ; p But such a good liense deserves full hard plastic imo not monopose restic or boardgame plastic.

My life for Aiur!

I agree that a board game doesn't equal a wargame just saying it's an option if you want to get hold of star craft miniatures.

Yeah I have to be honest I would want better quality minis than the ones found in Mars attacks and deadzone we got a Starcraft game.

Mass Effect could make a great skirmish scale game. Could basicallly just plug it into Deadzone rules like they did with Mars Attacks. Lots of factions to choose from, could also be an RPG type thing where you play as specters or other special ops, mercs or something. Plenty of enemies like Cerberus, rogue geth, plenty of alien races and merc factions. Deadzone terrain would also work well for the prefab stuff in evidence in a lot of the missions. Soldiers, techs, biotics, plenty of gameplay variety from all that.

Depending on how well the DS solo/no-DM mode goes down, along with the DZ solo play system (anyone played that yet? Is it any good?), I think Mantic might well look at producing some more stuff with 1+ players rather than 2+. I don't know, but I'd guess from the amount of us that struggle to get a game in that solo-play rules could be a great USP for Mantic's games, especially as they already have 2 versions of it in place for adaptation.

I got my DBX wave 2 the other day, nothing missing nothing damaged, so back to business as usual and no need for the form for me

Mantic's solo/co-op rules work well enough to give a satisfactory experience in both DZ and MA although the simpler MA rule set works slightly better.

If we are wish listing I found out last night that the ShadowRun licence is owned by topps. Whom I understand were very happy with there relationship with mantic and how MA turned out.

I think a shadow run game with a complexity somewhere between DZ and MA COULD BE AWESOME.

Shadowrun: Sprawl Gangers has been in development for quite a while.

Would be VERY interesting if Mantic was producing it...

I'd love to see an SG-1 game but even with the film reboot coming up, I don't think that this is an IP that is still in the public consciousness. Plus the franchise doesn't have a good history when it comes to licensed products - I liked the RPG, and the online card game from SOE was okay, but everything else was pants or failed to materialise (SGW... It all went a bit Defiance Games)

Mass Effect on the other hand is a game I would equally like to see, but is far more likely in my opinion. Even though Mass Effect 3 is a distant and (mostly) happy memory for gamers we still have ME4 to look forward to and EA / Bioware have showed a continued interest in developing new licensed products they can sell through the Bioware store. So a re-skinned Deadzone seems like a natural fit.. and let's face it, you don't exactly have to change the Enforcers and Strain all that much to have Cerberus and Reaper forces

I could have sworn CMON were involved with a Shadowrun game involving minis.

I could be mistaken.

A Mantic developed/ co-produced Shadowrun game could be interesting. Especially if it involves a variation of of the Deadzone/ Mars Attacks rules formula.

It would make for a lot of fun street level thugs as well as security forces to contend with. I'm sure a lot of us could find uses for those types of figures.

Maybe that's the big news?

I'd prefer something from Mass Effect myself despite liking both (but that is blatant wishlisting and not a rumor). The peacekeepers show that mantic can likely handle the ME armor style. As for the aliens, I'm not sure. Most of the mantic offerings either cross or straddle the "goofy" looking alien line and not the more serious ME style.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I could have sworn CMON were involved with a Shadowrun game involving minis.

I could be mistaken.

A Mantic developed/ co-produced Shadowrun game could be interesting. Especially if it involves a variation of of the Deadzone/ Mars Attacks rules formula.

It would make for a lot of fun street level thugs as well as security forces to contend with. I'm sure a lot of us could find uses for those types of figures.

Maybe that's the big news?

I don't know, Catalyst Games seems to be producing Shadowrun gaming stuff, at least on the RPG side for now. It would surprise me if whomever owns the license splits it out to Mantic or any other company.

I don't know why everyone is so convinced it's going to be a licensing thing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't know why everyone is so convinced it's going to be a licensing thing.

Seems to be all the rage these days, and Mantic had previously stated they would like to do a licensed game.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't know why everyone is so convinced it's going to be a licensing thing.

Because that would actually be exciting and not a total letdown.


But, yeah, it'll probably just be a letdown.

I bet it will almost not be a letdown!

I do think it'll be an X-Come-esque game from a small studio, - a bit like one of the ones you see GW's games being made from. Or possibly a Dreadball game from Vivid Studios, we know they were talking to them during the Dreadball Xtreme kickstarter, after all.

That does kinda fit the 'mantic almost' concept, I guess :p

The new Enforcer stuff is up for pre-order

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/pre-order/deadzone.html

Enforcers are £9.99/$19.99 for 6 (includes restic medic, and defender parts)
Peacekeepers are £14.99/$24.99 for 5

The Army deal is £49.99/$79.99 for
1 Restic Captain
2 Striders
5 Peacekeepers
20 Enforcers

Basically getting 2 Enforcers, the Captain and both Striders for free in that deal!

Those prices seem pretty darned good to me. - It doesn't just include the medic, of course, but the shotgun arms too.

Hmm, that army deal isn't half bad. You essentially get the 2 Striders and the Captain free, so about 30-40% off. After discount, that's a heck of a deal. I already have one of the old Enforcer army deals, but this might be worth getting. Would have preferred to see the metal captain, but I already have one so it's not a huge issue.

Nice to see them throw the Medic in with the plastic sprues, it does a fair bit for the value.

 Compel wrote:
Those prices seem pretty darned good to me. - It doesn't just include the medic, of course, but the shotgun arms too.

Missed the defender parts thanks added now. Makes sense as they are in the same bag as the medic.

The KS equivalent price for army deal was $78 just for reference s a saving of $1.99!

I edited that figure up as I miscalculated on the Enforcers at $10 for 10 rather than $10 for 5.

The army deal does not include medic and defender arms, tho.

But really a great price anyways, especially for the Not-40k crowd

edit: also noticed the pic of Enforcers in the army deal includes a fusion gun guy; that's a metal model. doh!

They need a disclaimer that you can only use about 6/26 of those minis in deadzone at a time for regular games, and less if you include the big guys.

Wonder why there are two striders.... kind of overkill for deadzone, and not enough for warpath as the rules stand now... I think they'll need a rewrite in warpath though to have stats and costs closer to a 40k dreadnought or similar, than what they were before (which was closer to peacekeepers with big guns but less melee capacity.. and a decent run speed).


I also noticed in the latest newsletter/blog they call the guns the peacekeepers have shotguns. Pretty sure they're supposed to be dominator rifles aka not-stormbolters?

 GrimDork wrote:
They need a disclaimer that you can only use about 6/26 of those minis in deadzone at a time for regular games, and less if you include the big guys.

What do you mean? You can use all of those models in Deadzone. Or do you mean at a time in a 70 point game?

They need a disclaimer that you can only use about 6/26 of those minis in deadzone at a time for regular games, and less if you include the big guys.

Army deal does seem like a pretty solid value compared to buying it piecemeal though. I just meant that you couldn't possibly *need* all of those models to play most any game of deadzone aside from possibly a really big 4 mat game, and I'm not sure how many people really opt to do that.

I'm just a tiny bit burned I got so many models for DZ when you need so few to play, I guess

It seems like a solid deal for warpath, but only if they sort striders out to not be in units of 3.

The deal seems good to me, especially anticipating next Black Friday's discounts.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Striders, Stuntbots etc. get re written in the next Warpath to individual model units, Stuntbots in particular are too expensive price wise to field in units of 3 and they have said recently (in Ironwatch #30) that they don't sell enough to justify plastic.

Striders kind of seemed to suck anyway... they were priced at like 2x the points of a peacekeeper but they weren't as tough, and just had the big guns and move 6 or so to justify it. I think switching them up to be more like light tanks in stats would be appropriate.

Received my Dreadball extreme today. Hobgoblin team is awesome. The metal casting on the cheerleaders and fans a bit ropey but easily cleaned up.

The Unicycle + Foot Pathfinder seems awfully expensive, are we sure that isn't a typo?

 NTRabbit wrote:
The Unicycle + Foot Pathfinder seems awfully expensive, are we sure that isn't a typo?

That was my thought as well. I apprecite it's resin, but £10 a mini is getting into GW terrirtory, even if one is a little larger. Surely resin can't be that much more expensive than metal?

Doubt it is a typo, just equals the cost from the Deadzone surveys (but exchanging Dollars for Pounds).

It's the same as the strider. It's a resin bike and rider, plus a foot model too. Even if you space it out and consider it as 3 models that's over 10 dollars a piece...

Compare it to Yojimbo from Infinity:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/42451/s/cvb280716-0490/
And it's just plain laughable. More bike, extra explosive robots, higher quality sculpts and just more in general for a lower MSRP. If that's what they have to sell resin for to make it profitable/not break the bank.... they should stay the hell away from it

 Paradigm wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
The Unicycle + Foot Pathfinder seems awfully expensive, are we sure that isn't a typo?

That was my thought as well. I apprecite it's resin, but £10 a mini is getting into GW terrirtory, even if one is a little larger. Surely resin can't be that much more expensive than metal?

Resin by weight is cheaper, but the moulds don't last as long... Plus I don't think Mantic cast resin in house, plus they probably don't expect to sell many, plus there is much more to pricing than just material costs...

It probably is a bit much.

The nearest GW equivalent would be King Aragorn on Foot and Mounted, who comes in at £22 in metal. But then, I'm personally willing to give mantic the doubt on this one, because there really is enough weird things about the model (EG all the different colours of resins), that they must have gone to some special effort and expense with making it.

I kind of wonder if they're just selling them like that to clear out stock and maybe look to plastic someday, or just phase it out.

is the bunch of stuff you guys are receiving now listed as 'rampage bundle' on the packing slip?
I just got an envelope with a packing slip for that and a handfulll of small gubbins, but only the small gubbins are there. just figuring out if I actually should be getting sweet spot level components this wave

 Bolognesus wrote:
is the bunch of stuff you guys are receiving now listed as 'rampage bundle' on the packing slip?
I just got an envelope with a packing slip for that and a handfulll of small gubbins, but only the small gubbins are there. just figuring out if I actually should be getting sweet spot level components this wave

I'm guessing that the rampage bundle refers to the large bag of MVPs and 1 extra free agent pack.

Right, I figured that too. Thank you.

Warpath Enforcer army box is looking pretty sweet, hopefully an Enforcer mega army deal for the Warpath KS will appear once hard plastic pathfinders (coming in the DZ 2.0 KS) and some more vehicles are released.

Looking forward to that more than anything else this year, with the Enforcer army mostly complete by the time it launches (along with at least 1 good sprue for forgefathers, veer-myn and plague), they'll be able to go straight into lots more sprues to bulk out the other factions.

Been waiting for Warpath's proper release for an incredibly long time, want it to be my main game since while I loved playing 40k back in the day, it just got too expensive to keep up with competitively. I could play 2.0 but there is no interest in a ruleset without models for the most part, and it is about to be overhauled anyway.

Think the Warpath setting has potential to be more interesting than 40k too, it leans towards hard sci-fi a lot more, especially with the new background material released recently (the Deadzone:Incursion book is great and has star maps and lots of other stuff).

 scarletsquig wrote:
Think the Warpath setting has potential to be more interesting than 40k too, it leans towards hard sci-fi a lot more, especially with the new background material released recently (the Deadzone:Incursion book is great and has star maps and lots of other stuff).

Warpath is a setting where rats - literal rats - are presented as being a credible military threat to the human race. So no, the Warpath has no potential to be great, because it's in the hands of people who don't understand that declaring humanity villains who fail constantly due to their own gross incompetence is a gakky keystone for a franchise.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Think the Warpath setting has potential to be more interesting than 40k too, it leans towards hard sci-fi a lot more, especially with the new background material released recently (the Deadzone:Incursion book is great and has star maps and lots of other stuff).

Warpath is a setting where rats - literal rats - are presented as being a credible military threat to the human race. So no, the Warpath has no potential to be great, because it's in the hands of people who don't understand that declaring humanity villains who fail constantly due to their own gross incompetence is a gakky keystone for a franchise.

Ratmen, not just rats, right?

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Plus I don't think Mantic cast resin in house

Pretty sure they do

 pretre wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Think the Warpath setting has potential to be more interesting than 40k too, it leans towards hard sci-fi a lot more, especially with the new background material released recently (the Deadzone:Incursion book is great and has star maps and lots of other stuff).

Warpath is a setting where rats - literal rats - are presented as being a credible military threat to the human race. So no, the Warpath has no potential to be great, because it's in the hands of people who don't understand that declaring humanity villains who fail constantly due to their own gross incompetence is a gakky keystone for a franchise.

Ratmen, not just rats, right?

Yep ratmen.

So alex what should be a keystone threat?

Spiky humans, egyptian robots, s&m elves?

Besides the Veermyn are far from shown as the big bad of the warpath setting.

And how are they just normal rats after they've mutated into rat-people?

Meh. That's what you get, Meh.

Why does humanity need a large scale threat? In Warpath, humanity IS the large scale threat. Everyone else is either consolidating their power and trying to keep humans out, or being subjugated. Even the plague in deadzone are just on some worlds here or there, the planet could be nuked from orbit if it came down to it.

Warpath isn't Red vs Blue, it's Grey vs everything else.

The army deal is a step in the right direction, I also want to see what they can do after the next kickstarter.

I was under the impression the only big threat to Humanity was the Plague. Veer-Myn, Marauders, And most of the other races are nuisances at the most, and victims at the least. Forge Fathers and Asterians pretty much keep to themselves and don't want to push Humanity's buttons. Humanity is the big bad.

SeanDrake wrote:


Yep ratmen.

So alex what should be a keystone threat?

Spiky humans, egyptian robots, s&m elves?

Besides the Veermyn are far from shown as the big bad of the warpath setting.

Mantic had roughly 20 years to not tread the same campy we-swear-they're-not-just-fantasy analogs that GW decided to go with in the era of big hair, pre-pedophile Michael Jackson, and greed is good 1980's. The rest of the industry moved onto other things for the most part but Mantic wanted to jump onto the ex-GW fan train so structured their stuff to largely follow suit. It is/was too late for GW to change their entire fluff backstory but Mantic certainly didn't have that hanging over their head when they developed Deadzone/Warpath. They chose to be campy/corny knowing that there were more creative options out there. GW was largely a trailblazer during the 1980's and their style matched the judge dredd style popular in their home country; in a way, they didn't know any better. Mantic did... but they chose otherwise for the sake of short term profit. It likely was a good financial decision for a starting company (founded by ex-GW guys, right?). GW's choices 20 years earlier aren't a valid defense versus criticism for Mantic's jumping down the same rabbit hole decades later.

 warboss wrote:
Mantic had roughly 20 years to not tread the same campy we-swear-they're-not-just-fantasy analogs that GW decided to go with in the era of big hair, pre-pedophile Michael Jackson, and greed is good 1980's. The rest of the industry moved onto other things for the most part but Mantic wanted to jump onto the ex-GW fan train so structured their stuff to largely follow suit. It is/was too late for GW to change their entire fluff backstory but Mantic certainly didn't have that hanging over their head when they developed Deadzone/Warpath. They chose to be campy/corny knowing that there were more creative options out there. GW was largely a trailblazer during the 1980's and their style matched the judge dredd style popular in their home country; in a way, they didn't know any better. Mantic did... but they chose otherwise for the sake of short term profit. It likely was a good financial decision for a starting company (founded by ex-GW guys, right?).

Sorry, but I'm really not following you here

It was in response to Sean Drake's post comparing Mantic's campiness to GW's... stuff got posted in between. I'll clarify it. If Mantic had instead chose to copy Mass Effect's background ideas and style instead of GW's, I'd have jumped on board in a heartbeat. That style of game is largely missing IMO from the marketplace with the closest I've seen being the failed Thon kickstarter (which has admittedly been released in a limited fashion since).

Yeah but in Warpath I'm not seeing where they copied any background or ideas from GW, which is why I'm not understanding your complaint at all.

Kings of War sure, to an extent, but not Warpath. I also don't see any campiness in Warpath - the campiness in the Warpath universe is restricted to Dreadball.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Yeah but in Warpath I'm not seeing where they copied any background or ideas from GW, which is why I'm not understanding your complaint at all.

Kings of War sure, to an extent, but not Warpath. I also don't see any campiness in Warpath - the campiness in the Warpath universe is restricted to Dreadball.

So warpath doesn't have space skaven, space orks, and space dwarves? That's only in Dreadball? And they don't just copy over both the visual aesthetics but also the stereotypical personality traits from WHFB into their not-even-released yet game? The orks (l'm sorry...mauraders) aren't brutal barbarians, the squats/dwarves (I mean... forgefathers) aren't quasi-steampunk engineers, and the skaven (I mean veer myn) aren't sneaky disease carriers? I'm sorry but if you don't see the similarities (and that is the most flattering way of putting it) between Warpath and WHFB then you're choosing to close your eyes.

The Marauders aren't brutal barbarians, and the Forge Fathers aren't steampunk engineers, no.

I think you're ascribing things to GW games that they neither invented nor own - the Forge Fathers are clearly inspired by practically every idea of Dwarves in history, Games Workshop not being around in the 7th century, and the Marauders are skilled professional mercenaries that bear no resemblance to any kind of Ork in the GW range except maybe a passing resemblance to Ork Freebooterz.

I'm not overly familiar with WHFB, but a quick read of what Skaven are suggests there's not a whole lot of similarity between them and Skaven beyond being rat people, also an older invention.

You're tilting at windmills here.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Yeah but in Warpath I'm not seeing where they copied any background or ideas from GW, which is why I'm not understanding your complaint at all.

Kings of War sure, to an extent, but not Warpath. I also don't see any campiness in Warpath - the campiness in the Warpath universe is restricted to Dreadball.

Are you kidding? Red Dwarfed Space Rats aren't campy? Bulgy space Zombies aren't campy? Huge mega corporations creating mercenary cyborgs and brainwashed assassin aliens aren't campy? Space Dwarfs and Space elves....? Brown coat analogs...? Campy, campy, campy.

And really, the monolithic evil human civilization is very derivative at this point.

You have an opinion, you're entitled to it. I don't share it.

 NTRabbit wrote:
The Marauders aren't brutal barbarians, and the Forge Fathers aren't steampunk engineers, no.

I think you're ascribing things to GW games that they neither invented nor own - the Forge Fathers are clearly inspired by practically every idea of Dwarves in history, Games Workshop not being around in the 7th century, and the Marauders are skilled professional mercenaries.

You're tilting at windmills here.

I never said GW "invented" it but we're talking about a company founded by an ex-GW employee. If anyone is "tilting at windmills", it's the guy claiming that Mantic wasn't heavily influenced by the aesthetic and fluff that GW has made popular as the biggest selling company in the hobby niche genre both in fantasy and scifi. You stance is about as accurate as GW claiming during the chapterhouse trial that their factions were completely original and devoid of external inspiration. Mantic clearly built up their scifi game ranges based off of the fantasy tropes that GW extended to scifi 20 years ago. For you to claim that they're not is willful ignorance. In any case, it's off topic for a "news" thread so I won't be commenting on it further. Feel free to continue to carry on blinders and all.

You're adorable with you're "I'm right and I'm ending the argument for the good of the thread" line.

You're also wrong. Passing similarities at best between 40k and Warpath - of course Warpath fiction is derived from previous fiction like every piece of fiction is, but any kind of examination clearly shows that 40k was not a primary source.

To be honest, I think you're all probably right. In my view...

Pre Dreadball, pre Deadzone, the Warpath universe very much was entirely, "what are the things people say they miss from modern day 40k. Let's make a range for them." Combined with, "lets make cheaper sci fi things for 40k players."

To be honest, how much background fluff really was there for Warpath pre Dreadball and Deadzone? Enough to fill a leaflet or three, I'd guess.

However, once Mantic started looking closely at doing Dreadball, and then later Deadzone, I think that's when they really made the conscious decision to start stepping out of GW's shadow and develop the Warpath universe more.

And, more importantly, take more inspiration from the greater Sci Fi universes.

So now, today, right now. There probably really is relatively little in Warpath that is sourced from GW now. And those parts that have, are stepping further away from the company. - EG, Deadzone Orx compared to Warpath Orx.

This is especially true when you follow the development of some things. For example, the first fluff for the Deadzone Cyphers, was essentially wraithguard (Ghost warriors etc). But, very quickly, Mantic listened to their backers and instead the fluff was modified and updated, so now you've got something more akin to Avatar but with robots.

I like to imagine a pristine ship full of Crest of the Stars style space elves with a bunch of support staff sitting around the bridge and in rows all around the stasis-pod things that the cypher pilots use.

 Compel wrote:
To be honest, I think you're all probably right. In my view...

Pre Dreadball, pre Deadzone, the Warpath universe very much was entirely, "what are the things people say they miss from modern day 40k. Let's make a range for them." Combined with, "lets make cheaper sci fi things for 40k players."

To be honest, how much background fluff really was there for Warpath pre Dreadball and Deadzone? Enough to fill a leaflet or three, I'd guess.

However, once Mantic started looking closely at doing Dreadball, and then later Deadzone, I think that's when they really made the conscious decision to start stepping out of GW's shadow and develop the Warpath universe more.

And, more importantly, take more inspiration from the greater Sci Fi universes.

So now, today, right now. There probably really is relatively little in Warpath that is sourced from GW now. And those parts that have, are stepping further away from the company. - EG, Deadzone Orx compared to Warpath Orx.

This is especially true when you follow the development of some things. For example, the first fluff for the Deadzone Cyphers, was essentially wraithguard (Ghost warriors etc). But, very quickly, Mantic listened to their backers and instead the fluff was modified and updated, so now you've got something more akin to Avatar but with robots.

Exactly my take on things.

Well said

Coming from a 40k 2nd editon space biker Squat player, I like Mantic's Forge Fathers wayyyy more, especially the newer fluff for them. The models are also waay wayy wayyyyy better... which is why I bought an army of them.

I do like Mantic's space ratmen a lot (I'm a big fan of Remy Tremblay's style) and I would not be surprised that Mantic retcons their 5 sentences of pre-existing Warpath era fluff for when they make them for Deadzone, just as they did the Marauders and Forge Fathers. Most of the Warpath "we gotta write something" filler has been written away, Veer-myn being the last holdout.

 NTRabbit wrote:
the Forge Fathers are clearly inspired by practically every idea of Dwarves in history, Games Workshop not being around in the 7th century, and the Marauders are skilled professional mercenaries that bear no resemblance to any kind of Ork in the GW range except maybe a passing resemblance to Ork Freebooterz.

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 judgedoug wrote:
Most of the Warpath "we gotta write something" filler has been written away, Veer-myn being the last holdout.

In that case I hope they can also write away that fething stupid name. Right down there with "Mon-keigh" for total stupidity.

Yeah, that was a doozy.

My view on Warpath

- Started off as a GW mutation

- Started to expand and grow realizing the community wanted something different

- Started to incorporate other SCIFI IP's and there own.
- A call to arms by alan dean foster
- The Expanse
- Judge dread
- Halo
- Masseffect


- Now its its own thing, and growing, it realized what it was and is expanding on it. ALL in good ways. I'm for competition, to stagnate is to die. Mantic is the only company I can see atm that has the potential to force GW to change.


I am a huge fan of the non savage brainless orcs, I am like the athestic of the dreadball orcs and wish that would carry over to actual warpath.

 Azazelx wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Most of the Warpath "we gotta write something" filler has been written away, Veer-myn being the last holdout.

In that case I hope they can also write away that fething stupid name. Right down there with "Mon-keigh" for total stupidity.

Agreed. They've had some pretty cool Dreadball race/team names, so I'm hoping that trend continues.

though, honestly, I don't see why they wouldn't call themselves rats. If the background is genetically uplifted rats, and they learned English, and the scientists called them rats, why wouldn't they call each other rats as well? And as they grew as a society, they just took ownership of it, and now like Judge Doug the human, there's Dingle McPringle the rat. I mind that much less than some sort of forced invented race name.

I remember when Mantic was building up all kinds of suspense for their "eighth race" only to unveil the Veermyn. I think I'm still surfing that wave of disappointment.


What is the new orx background from deadzone? Are they not some surprised barbarian war-loving primitives used as shock troops until they rebelled any more? It was like they were a blend of 40k orks and 5th Element Mangalores.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I remember when Mantic was building up all kinds of suspense for their "eighth race" only to unveil the Veermyn. I think I'm still surfing that wave of disappointment.


What is the new orx background from deadzone? Are they not some surprised barbarian war-loving primitives used as shock troops until they rebelled any more? It was like they were a blend of 40k orks and 5th Element Mangalores.

They way I read the DZ orx fluff, they were (and are) more sophisticated than the CPS gives them credit for. I prefer my greenskins as a professional military force rather than the drunken football hooligans that GW portrays them as being.

SeanDrake wrote:
Yep ratmen.

So alex what should be a keystone threat?

Spiky humans, egyptian robots, s&m elves?

Better those than rats and zombies. Chaos and the Necrons aren't being used to their full potential these days, but all three - the other side of the civil war, ancient servitors created for a long forgotten war, and doomed aliens who refuse to roll over and die - are fine concepts for factions that deserve to be military threats. It is insulting to treat humans as if they are on the same level as rats and zombies.

Since the last time I've made this argument we have another fine example of what I'm talking about: ISIS. These guys are merely trying to uplift themselves from an insurgency to a nation, and look at what's happening to them - they're getting the gak kicked out of them daily as the rest of the world takes turns bombing them. And these are humans - how far do you think overgrown rats are going to get when they're still trying to invent the sharpened stick while humanity is waging a war of extermination against them?

Anthropomorphic rats and zombies throw away the greatest strengths of their respective species. They can't compete on the level of humanity, they can't hide to live off our scraps, and they can't live at our mercy. All they can do is die.

It's a game...


besides that. Please take this conversation to Mantic General discussion. If you want to argue over lore and viability of species against each other, Mantic general is the perfect place for that. I'd rather not see 4 more pages of people complaining about lore in the News & Rumor section.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


What is the new orx background from deadzone? Are they not some surprised barbarian war-loving primitives used as shock troops until they rebelled any more? It was like they were a blend of 40k orks and 5th Element Mangalores.

If you've ever played mass effect the fluff is broadly similar to the Krogan now. They *were* a primitive race that were uplifted by the GCPS. They were essentially used as Enforcers are today.

They go on to say that, though the orx weren't too into peaceful or civilised progression, when it came to military history, they lapped it up. So much so, that their favourite historical figures would provide direct inspirations for how the orx units would fight. Additionally, the orx learned very early on that one of the most important things in warfare was the art of deception. So they cultivated this image of barbarous thugs where only the goblins could speak English to cause them to be underestimated. Eventually the orx gathered enough relics that they broke away knowing that they could make better pay and lives as mercenaries.

Veer-myn background is being completely re-written, I have read it.

Can't say anything about it, but I can confirm that the old fluff of mutant rats from Earth/ Corporation biological experiment gone wrong is scrapped,

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I remember when Mantic was building up all kinds of suspense for their "eighth race" only to unveil the Veermyn. I think I'm still surfing that wave of disappointment.


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Lol, I sure do rebember this. I was pretty interested by Mantic at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much turned me into a lifelong mantic hater. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming mantic is not a cheap, GW knock off (even if the space orks, space elves and space dwarves should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten. Space skaven is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

 scarletsquig wrote:
This message was edited 3 times.,

Now I want to know what the first two posts said

Got a reply to my missing items form today from a chap named Dave Symonds, saying the replacements were mailed yesterday.

This is certainly a much better turnaround time than I'm used to.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Lol, I sure do rebember this. I was pretty interested by Mantic at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much turned me into a lifelong mantic hater. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming mantic is not a cheap, GW knock off (even if the space orks, space elves and space dwarves should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten. Space skaven is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Lol, I sure do rebember when GW released Necrons. I was playing 40k at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much made me realize GW is a bunch of retards. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming GW is not a cheap, Terminator / Judge Dredd / Lord of the Rings / Foundation / Aliens / Book of the New Sun / Rogue Trooper / Dune / Starship Troopers / etc knock off (even if the skeleton robots / death worlds / imperium of man / adeptus mechanicus / powered armor / giger bugs / emperor / navigators / warp space should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten every edition and codex. Necrons Tyranids Imperium Orks Eldar Space Marines is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Haters gonna hate, and then everyone's gonna argue.

Thanks for that tidbit, SS, I'm curious to see where they come from now.

On an objective / intellectual level (though still very much my personal opinion, not a comment on others'), I can only agree that the idea of Space ratmen is irrevocably dumb. Regardless of how Mantic rewrites their background. I mean, they're anthropomorphic rats. In space. What are you going to do with that?

On an aesthetic level, I like Remy's Veer-myn sculpts better than any of GW's Skaven sculpts. In that way, they follow in the proud tradition of the Forge Fathers and Enforcers, improving on the designs of their GW predecessors. With the possible exception of the original classics by Jes Goodwin. Goodwin's sculpts aren't exactly better than Remy's from a technical standpoint, but his work had a ton of character and inventiveness driving it. Maybe you can fish some crude ratmen forerunners from the original Monster Manual wererats (who had a "rich history" of what, one paragraph of stats, maybe?) or some forgotten Fritz Leiber story somewhere, but honestly, no one had ever done ratmen quite like that before. Credit where it is due.

On a nostalgic / emotional level that goes right back to my childhood embrace of all things Skaven, I can't help loving the Veer-myn.

So I'll never debate how fundamentally ridiculous the Veer-myn are, or the obvious debt they owe to GW's Skaven in particular, or even that I'd really rather have a Mantic universe unsullied by Fantasy tropes altogether. But that last one's not really in the cards, is it? So if we're going to have a universe with Space Orks and Space Elves, neither of which are old favorite fantasy races of mine, then dammit, I want my space Ratmen. Hell, if we're going sci-fantasy with this universe, I want my Space Lizardmen.

I will continue to buy Mantic's Veer-myn shamelessly and with relish.

This thread is for NEWS and RUMORS regarding Mantic's various SF themed offerings.

Please take everything else to the Mantic Games sub-forum:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/81.page

thanks!

Scarlet squid, can you at least tell us if they have an extraterrestrial origin? I can buy aliens who look like rats...
Also, what else have Mantic got in store for us? Let's have more rumors.

 judgedoug wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Lol, I sure do rebember this. I was pretty interested by Mantic at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much turned me into a lifelong mantic hater. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming mantic is not a cheap, GW knock off (even if the space orks, space elves and space dwarves should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten. Space skaven is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Lol, I sure do rebember when GW released Necrons. I was playing 40k at the time, and this fiasco, as pretty much made me realize GW is a bunch of retards. After this, I can only laugh at the persons claiming GW is not a cheap, Terminator / Judge Dredd / Lord of the Rings / Foundation / Aliens / Book of the New Sun / Rogue Trooper / Dune / Starship Troopers / etc knock off (even if the skeleton robots / death worlds / imperium of man / adeptus mechanicus / powered armor / giger bugs / emperor / navigators / warp space should have made even the less perceptive among us aware of this fact)
And i dont care how much their background gets rewritten every edition and codex. Necrons Tyranids Imperium Orks Eldar Space Marines is a dumb, lazy, boring concept

Stealing from one source is plagiarism. Stealing from many sources is research.

Besides, there's plenty of room in tabletop wargaming for everyone to have dumb fluff.

I too want more of these space rat rumors.

I'm really looking forward to see what's cooking for the new Deadzone stuff. Curious how many options there will be on the sprues.

Still no news on DZ2. Surprising, considering it was supposed to be a Q1 KS.

I need to know whether it's going to happen anytime soon, or I may blow my cash on Conan instead...

I'm on my phone and no idea how to link and anywho the rugby is about to start. Just read the newsletter and it was mentioned that Mars Attacks is turning into a full scale battle game!

That's the World War rules. Backers got this as a pdf the printed version got delayed along with the hard back compendium.

The newsletter wasn't much of a reveal really no secret project (it appears there is none) just a refocus on their current ranges with dedicated websites for each game and more hobby content.

Which is good news. Focus on current games is good.

 pretre wrote:
Which is good news. Focus on current games is good.

Agreed.

They have what, DBX to finish and 2 other Kickstarters funded that haven't even begun delivering, Deadzone 2 coming soon and then someday Warpath. No need to jam something else in there.

Although they did say they 'aren't done with the surprises just yet', so there could well be something else coming...

Gah. They jacked the name of my dakka P&M blog =/



Sounds good, main games getting websites. Hopefully it's worth their effort and things turn out well.

The hobby content has me pretty excited. It reminds me of all the good stuff GW used to have on their website, and the BFG website, and so on. Mantic really looks well poised to be a contender.

I've been banging on at Ronnie for close to a year about dedicated websites with getting started guides, hobby tutorials, battle reports etc. Looks like the penny dropped when I made a mockup KoW site a few weeks back for him...

Why you no post pictures Dakka?



A few of these may make their way into my Clan Skyre engineering corp...

Oh dear, another awesome concept drawing that'll get sculpted into poo...

The concept looks great. Expect it to be a bit more slender and tiny, and you will probably not get disapointed...
(at least this is what i learned with Forge Fathers)

The sculpt *could* turn out good- what if it's done digitally? No real organic parts to speak of.

I'm hopeful there'll be a few greens/ renders on display by the time DZ part 2 roles out.

Well that's an awesome bit of concept art, think there is a tremendous amount of potential there..

The Forge Fathers turned out so well - too much to hope we could have a reasonable facsimile when the miniature for this one appears?

That was a lot of hype about nothing....

I like the Ratman thing, hopefully it translates well.

 Alex C wrote:
Still no news on DZ2. Surprising, considering it was supposed to be a Q1 KS.

I need to know whether it's going to happen anytime soon, or I may blow my cash on Conan instead...

Was originally planned as a Q4 2014 KS!

Slowing down a bit is good, still have DBX, DS and KoW to finish up. Hopefully might just get DZ 2.0 and Warpath as the major Kickstarters this year.

Can't really do DZ2 while Jake is AWOL.

I had a read/watch of mantics hobby time and plans for this year and, I've got to say, it seems a good idea. Previous years have been about giving people stuff, this year seems more focussed on getting people using their stuff.

Which is good for me. Still the only thing I've completely painted up from Mantic is my plague strike team. I've mostly been in assembly mode since Original Dreadball. On that subject, I really should finish painting my veermyn team but I chose the ugliest colour scheme ever for them - pinkish purple.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can't really do DZ2 while Jake is AWOL.

Hopefully they can move on without him. I think it's bad policy to rely on one person for rules. Having different angles looking at rules could be beneficial and whilst JT writes good rules DZ has a few flaws and there is large balance issues in some of the factions in DZ and DB that he does not want to address.

Not sure why you say Jake is AWOL he is working away on Dungeon Saga per update #64 on the 20th of January. They need to get the Beta rules finished ASAP so he's probably fully focused on that. I wouldn't read to much into Quirkworthy not being updated for a while. (the DS playtest day is actually going on today at Mantic)

I think the core of the DZ rules are damn good. The only problem is the continual addition of new rules which cause exceptions/clashes to previous rules. DZ needs 2 things this year imo.
1. Release all the figures for existing cards/stats BEFORE starting on any new factions.
2. Tidy up and re-write the rules so there's less rules clashes and russian doll rule situations.
Neither of these need a KS imo.

The large gulf between close combat vs shooting is HUGE! The rewards of CC far outweighs that to shooting. CC needs to be toned down as all i currently use is CC orientated lists and I generally table my opponents.

I use shooty Enforcers (with a CC commander) and punchy Plague. Both table opponents. Then again, my opinion would probably weigh heavier if I'd played in the last half year! I'm still riding my old laurels of getting an entire game store to quit (and they're hardcore players who LIKE playing bloody).

 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Most of the Warpath "we gotta write something" filler has been written away, Veer-myn being the last holdout.

In that case I hope they can also write away that fething stupid name. Right down there with "Mon-keigh" for total stupidity.

Agreed. They've had some pretty cool Dreadball race/team names, so I'm hoping that trend continues.

though, honestly, I don't see why they wouldn't call themselves rats. If the background is genetically uplifted rats, and they learned English, and the scientists called them rats, why wouldn't they call each other rats as well? And as they grew as a society, they just took ownership of it, and now like Judge Doug the human, there's Dingle McPringle the rat. I mind that much less than some sort of forced invented race name.

Even something like "Veer" would be different enough. "Veer-Myn" just sounds like a 12-year-old's creation.

"Because "veer-myn". When you say it out loud, it sounds like "vermin". Because they're rat-men, and rats are vermin! Get it? Get it?"

"Oh, that's so very witty, let's make that the official name for the race!"

"Job's a good'un. Let's go have lunch!"

Hey, remember what the Eldar call humans?

Got my Mars Attacks hardcover, really like it. Glad we got it and don't just have to use the soft covers, which while they work aren't as "nice" as a good hardback. Though I'll probably just use the digital ones for gameplay ; p It's a lot smaller than the deadzone hardcover. I like both styles, the simplistic Deadzone black with silver lettering and the colourful mars attacks one. Just need a hardcover Dreadball one now I think! And looking forward to the Kings of War one.

While I like my cheese, I do hope Mantic keeps the Warpath setting "clean" so dropping veer-myn name would be ideal, though I'm sitll happy with space elves, space ratmen and so on so long as they're done well. Space elves using drones is a great idea. Orks being militaristic mercs is great. Current ratmen, I'm glad they're getting a bit of a rewrite ; p

There's no hardback coming for DBX, right? I recall them saying they weren't going to do hardbacks for anything but KoW and Warpath anymore because they take too much effort and expense, and that they said this after arranging the Mars Attacks! hardback

Yeah don't think there's one for Dreadball on the books. If they do another DB KS (doubtful?) we might be able to harass them for an all in one for it.

Damn, I imagine the MA one cost a lot since they sent it out individually to everyone when they didn't budget for that.

Got my MA hardback today, too. Really nice from the outside, although again it's just all the softcovers glued back to back. Maybe someday they will actually make a compendium with functional page numbers and index.


I'm also having a bit of a fit over not being able to use any of the teams from Wave 2 in DBX.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Got my MA hardback today, too. Really nice from the outside, although again it's just all the softcovers glued back to back. Maybe someday they will actually make a compendium with functional page numbers and index.

I was VERY disappointed int he DeadZone hardback. The lack of a title printed on the spine combined with the issue you mentioned just kills what it should have been for me.

lalala not listening!

No rules for them yet Blackfang?

There are no DBX rules yet for anything except the two teams in the game box, even though 4 other teams and something like a dozen MVPs have been shipped to backers.

DBX was billed as a stand alone game with compatible models, but it looks like it's really just 3 new waves of models for DBO, with DBX itself being just an afterthought, if that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There are no DBX rules yet for anything except the two teams in the game box, even though 4 other teams and something like a dozen MVPs have been shipped to backers.

DBX was billed as a stand alone game with compatible models, but it looks like it's really just 3 new waves of models for DBO, with DBX itself being just an afterthought, if that.

Yep, sad.

Mantic done gone fethed up by making the player handbook wave 3.

I play DBO, so it's not as big of a deal for me, but I'd really like to use these Season 4 teams for the game they were originally made for.

There's my DBX wave 3 as well. And look at that! They even managed to include my missing starter box free agents/sponsors in this box. I mean they were supposed to... just glad they came through

I haven't opened the baggies yet but everything looks sublime at first glance.

I've got the rebs and brokkrs too, if anyone needs to see anything let me know. I'm more likely to get these packed away in preparation or bones2 arriving, but I'm happy to post pictures if anyone needs to see something.

Yeah, DBX has basically been put on hiatus until wave 3 for me and my family.

I wanted to run Sphyr, Barzam is waiting on his Mechanite team, and my kids are waiting for the Challenge Cup MVPs.

Maybe I'll paint some of the figures up for the hell of it in the meantime. Or actually finishing putting together Deadzone stuff.

Or keep waiting for my missing Forge Fathers...

I'm guessing they've timed the rules releases for the retail releases rather than backer shipping, or possibly it's happening that way by accident rather than design.

Also Schnorkel is my new favourite mini

He's pretty chunky. I kind of want to give him a gun or some other weapon and form my own Guardians of the Galaxy -esque troupe now. A lot of those minis look pretty darn neat, gonna be hard to resist getting them out and painting sooner than later.

Yep, the MVPs and Free Agents are all really cool.

Wave 2 models are all pretty sweet.

Except I didn't get any round bases for the 60 zombies I ordered, and I'm still missing my season 3 DBO stuff...

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also Schnorkel is my new favourite mini

He's been my favorite since the moment they first showed his sketch!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also Schnorkel is my new favourite mini

He's been my favorite since the moment they first showed his sketch!

Take that NTRabbit!

For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

 Vermonter wrote:
For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

Kinda hoping they delay it even more now that Conan is draining my wallet...

i thought Schnorkel had a good chance of becoming Mantic's Jar-Jar Binks, but he did turn out great.


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 Alex C wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

Kinda hoping they delay it even more now that Conan is draining my wallet...

Good luck with that one. I'm not on board myself, but as an REH fan, I hope the final product does the property justice.

I don't think we've really heard *anything* about DZ:I. Kind of running out of time for Q1, I mean if it was going to be this month it would already be time to start drumming up interest...

I'm good with them waiting for awhile though... my money trees haven't decided to flower yet =/

 GrimDork wrote:
I don't think we've really heard *anything* about DZ:I. Kind of running out of time for Q1, /

Patience, Padawan. We're not even half way through Q1 yet.

 Vermonter wrote:
For those in the know, is there any new backstage buzz about Deadzone: Infestation? I can't remember - have they said that a first quarter launch won't be happening?

I don't have any info on timing either, expecting a bit of a wait on that one. Hopefully will result in a properly done 2.0.

Putting the breaks on the KS train sounds about right for the time being. since Mantic already has retail releases funded to last them into 2016, with DB Season 5 and 6, DBX and expansions, Dungeon Saga and expansions, the rest of Mars Attacks, a few more Deadzone bits, Battlezones, two new KoW armies and various other units (there are still some things that haven't been released from the first KS).

As Ronnie mentioned a while ago there will be Deadzone-lite released before then (don't have any input on that project myself, but I'm assuming it will be something like Mars Attacks army lists for the Deadzone factions).

Mars Attacks is the better system of the two, IMO.

I prefer all the extra bells and whistles DZ has, but MA certainly has a better rules complexity vs tactical complexity ratio. Not that DZ was any slouch in that area to begin with.

MA definitely plays faster and the crazy stuff that happens makes it fun I still think the extra stuff going on in Deadzone would have me wanting that as my weekly game if I had a weekly game Yeah basically what Blackfang said.

@ Mikes, well if it's the first 3 months of the year, and we're getting awfully close to halfway through February... they'll be advertising it ahead of time for at least a couple of weeks, likely and preferably longer to build up hype as they have in the past. As far as we know now there aren't even any whispers. So while you're technically correct, I stand by my statement

I don't mind waiting, really.

I haven't even gotten around to fielding the Asterians even once, nor have I managed to assemble any plastic Enforcers or Peacekeepers.

I barely had time to go through the 10 MA scenarios in the core book and 3 games of DBX. And I just had Wrath of Kings delivered today. No rush for any new stuff here.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hey, remember what the Eldar call humans?

Uh... yeah. I mentioned that in my post that you quoted.

Indeed you did.

So, Jake is back. I hope the DBX stuff can get sorted now.

 scarletsquig wrote:
As Ronnie mentioned a while ago there will be Deadzone-lite released before then (don't have any input on that project myself, but I'm assuming it will be something like Mars Attacks army lists for the Deadzone factions.

Thanks for that tidbit, SS, which I somehow completely missed. I was only aware that Deadzone 2.0: The Veer-myning was coming sometime.

This Deadzone-lite sounds very promising. I've played several games of Mars Attacks with my son and we've enjoyed its quick, sensible rules quite a bit.


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 GrimDork wrote:
Why does humanity need a large scale threat? In Warpath, humanity IS the large scale threat.

I know this quote's a little old in the thread, but it's worth a pat on the back just the same. I'm more interested in a universe with an open-ended future these days than one in which the inevitable end result is Chaos dancing on humanity's ashes, and all we can do, at best, is buy some time before that happens.

As far as humanity being the threat goes, that's inherently open-ended, because we know from experience that human empires always come and go.

I'm really looking forward to plastic pathfinders. Mantic has been all about good models with good prices: the resin one on bike is too high for me for what you get. I'll probably go heavy on a large quantity of plastics when they hit.

Yeah, I want some plastic pathfinders stat.

I'd also like to see some 'nontraditional' enforcer vehicles but that'll probably have to wait for warpath. I'd really like to see warpath hit with some heavy scifi tanks and vehicles that aren't direct analogues to 40k stuff, maybe more Halo-y or something. Probably a bit too big for the next DZ installment though.

I'm also a fan of the Universe being such a big place that Humanity doesn't have any primary threat, just lots of open ended whatnots. I mean maybe the Zzor really could wipe out humanity, but keep them out on the fringe and don't tell me about it!

Imperial tanks are just chibi WW1 tanks with space guns on top, so it should be pretty easy to avoid that aesthetic. I'm thinking Enforcer vehicles will look more like UCM stuff from Dropzone Commander, or yeah Halo.

The previewed dropship certainly had that feel to it, while the previewed Asterian tank reminded me of Aeon Illuminate aesthetics from Supreme Commander.

They need Antenociti's Workshop to design the Enforcer vehicles, as the Hunchback and Kabardin and so on already match the Enforcer aesthetic.

As long as they come out in hard plastic. AW vehicles are nice but they're not cheap either. Those designs in hard plastic though... yes please.

The existing Forge Father vehicles from Warpath need a rethink as well - they fit in with the old stuff, but like the Steel Warriors and Stormrage Veterans the Jotunn Hailstorm and Surtr don't fit in with the new aesthetic standard set by the Forge Guard, Brokkrs and Mining Drill.

The Urban Jotunn is good at bringing the old Jotunn hull most of the way there, but the triple material mix is awkward.

The Iron Ancestor of course remains as awesome as it always has been, the new weapon arms being a welcome addition Though a near identical plastic version with more leg articulation wouldn't go astray

 GrimDork wrote:
As long as they come out in hard plastic. AW vehicles are nice but they're not cheap either. Those designs in hard plastic though... yes please.

Really? I've bought a ton of 'em. If you make an account, they deduct VAT since we're in the USA; there's free shipping thresholds and they give you points for discounts on future purchases (think I've got about £10 credit accrued on my account). I have 4 Hunchbacks, 2 Kabardins, 2 Grav-tanks, about a half dozen future cars, a half-dozen various Jeeps/Buggies, etc...

but yes, AW does 3d modeling, my hope is that the design aesthetic from AW is used to 3d sculpt vehicles for hard plastic manufacture Hell even just hard plastic versions of the Kabardin would be amazing.

Well, I'll admit I haven't researched them *thoroughly*, so perhaps I'm a bit off in my estimates.

So was the partner ship with the wargame table company the surprise?
which just means far better shipping prices stateside?

I thought it explicitly detailed Mantic as the UK/Europe distributor, not for the states? I mean SWM is in the states, maybe i misinterpreted your statement..

Each pack contains 24 tiles forming a 6’x4’ gaming table, though you can build them with less if you want a smaller gaming surface.

Give your games the gaming table they deserve with a quality, detailed Tablescapes Gaming Board from Secret Weapon. Pre-order your Rolling Fields or Urban Streets Damaged Tablescape Gaming Board here. They will begin shipping in the summer alongside the launch of Kings of War Second Edition.

Distributors and retailers from UK and EU can also get in touch for the opportunity to get their hands on this excellent range of terrain designed for wargamers without having to ship it from the USA.

Please note that we can only ship this product to the UK and Europe. Orders to the rest of the world will be cancelled, sorry!

I think the surprise was "Hobby Time", the refocus and websitening of their main games.

Oh, My mistake. My dsylexia acting up again. -.-

They look nice, but a bit pricey. I'd rather make my own at half the cost

The SWM boards? Yeah I'm doing something very similar but my base material is casting plaster and some 1x1' paper/card/board sheets I'm gluing together. No interlocking but who needs it on a solid table. Still a seriously cool product though.

I'm doing something similar to the SWM boards as well.. it's called waiting for my Gears and Gamers boards
I like the SWM a lot but yeah, that's almost as bad as the realm of battle board.

So, question for everyone who received Enforcer plastics so far: Do yours all have a bunch of legs with detail missing? Mine all have legs with smooth flat parts on the side of the thigh and knee where there should be detail. Every set I received has them and seemingly all in the same place.

Need to check the Peacekeepers and the Forge Fathers for the same sort of issue. Not had time to do that yet.

Very disappointed.

~Eric

Taarnak, I haven't looked.. I got mine in, glanced at them, remembered that I hate Deadzone and tossed them in a box.

Not that I've noticed. I haven't put mine together yet, but I went over them minutely when they arrived (they were too purdy, I couldn't help it) and didn't see any issues.

@Taarnak

Had a look over mine just now (which are built), seems like thats how they're supposed to be, some of the legs just seem to have
slightly different details much in the same vein as the Space Marine leg parts.

Very weird design decision on Mantics part TBH, would've preferred they just kept to one consistent style. Either way theres more pictures
available on Mantics blog, hopefully they match up with what you've got, here you go: http://manticblog.com/2015/02/03/enforcer-miniature-spotlight-support-booster/

Still very happy with these guys myself and look forward to picking up some Peacekeepers when they hit retail.

I have yet to get my new enforcers they said they would send and any peacekeepers I bought. I hear people got their a month ago or more. Even people in my area got theirs but mine are MIA. Did they send notifications or do I need to contact them somehow on missing stuff

str00dles1 wrote:
I have yet to get my new enforcers they said they would send and any peacekeepers I bought. I hear people got their a month ago or more. Even people in my area got theirs but mine are MIA. Did they send notifications or do I need to contact them somehow on missing stuff

I find it most efficacious to take the time for a handwritten note. Seal it in a legal envelope and write the address with your finest calligraphy to catch the eye. Then leave it on Ronnie's pillow so that he sees it first thing when he wakes up.

str00dles1 wrote:
I have yet to get my new enforcers they said they would send and any peacekeepers I bought. I hear people got their a month ago or more. Even people in my area got theirs but mine are MIA. Did they send notifications or do I need to contact them somehow on missing stuff

I haven't either. I finally decided to file a missing items report about my Wave 3 shipment.

Assuming I haven't jumped the gun, this is a first for me with Mantic. I've had the odd missing or damaged item before, which they've always been good about replacing (and the last time Luke was even kind enough to throw in a Ludwig Dreadball figure), but I've never had an entire shipment not show up.

Anyhow, I already have plenty of Mantic figures to work on in the meantime, and from past experience I'm confident they'll get me sorted. I wish there were electronic GPS systems that could tell you what happened for sure, though, just out of curiousity. Did Mantic just miss sending my package at all in the hurly-burly, is it lying on the bottom of "the pond" somewhere, or is it making some kid in Arkansas really happy right now?

str00dles1 wrote:
I have yet to get my new enforcers they said they would send and any peacekeepers I bought. I hear people got their a month ago or more. Even people in my area got theirs but mine are MIA. Did they send notifications or do I need to contact them somehow on missing stuff

Of course you need to submit something. File a missing items report.


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 MLaw wrote:
Taarnak, I haven't looked.. I got mine in, glanced at them, remembered that I hate Deadzone and tossed them in a box.

I'll pay shipping for them since you hate them.

 Taarnak wrote:
So, question for everyone who received Enforcer plastics so far: Do yours all have a bunch of legs with detail missing? Mine all have legs with smooth flat parts on the side of the thigh and knee where there should be detail. Every set I received has them and seemingly all in the same place.

Are you talking about how one pair of legs has indents on the calves and other pairs do not, and a set of knees does not have the venting holes while the others do? That's intentional as far as I'm aware; different styles of leg armor along with different helmet types too. At least that is what I assumed


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 MLaw wrote:
Taarnak, I haven't looked.. I got mine in, glanced at them, remembered that I hate Deadzone and tossed them in a box.

I'll buy 'em! How many do you have?

 judgedoug wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Taarnak, I haven't looked.. I got mine in, glanced at them, remembered that I hate Deadzone and tossed them in a box.

I'll buy 'em! How many do you have?

Slow down there killer. You missed my dibs.

 pretre wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Taarnak, I haven't looked.. I got mine in, glanced at them, remembered that I hate Deadzone and tossed them in a box.

I'll buy 'em! How many do you have?

Slow down there killer. You missed my dibs.

Dang!

Got my DBX wave 2 missing parts delivered today!

lol, I haven't sold them in case I end up enjoying Warpath whenever they get off their butts and decide to fix that.. and if they don't, I'm turning them into Killzone conversions for the crazy stalker knife guys in KZ3.

Besides, if I sold them it'd be at some stupid marked up price.

 MLaw wrote:
stupid marked up price.

You can have my dibs, judgedoug.

 pretre wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
stupid marked up price.

You can have my dibs, judgedoug.

You're so generous, pretre!

I'm happy they decided on a delay for Deadzone 2.0 and Warpath 2.0. I loved the line and if they can spend an extra year getting better digital/actual sculpts before the kickstarter and verify if they will be in hard plastic all the better.

I really want mantic to become the company that threatens GW, so GW becomes scared. Having competition is nothing but good for the consumers.