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Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 04:09:23


Post by: AegisGrimm


I think the Clone Wars might be more interesting for a minis wargame because the heroes (even if they are of the player's creation rather than from the movies/shows) leading the forces can be more fantastical and heroic in a comic-book style. The Galactic Civil War is too gritty and dystopian to have personalities like the Clone Wars gave us. Darth Vader is obviously something special, but if you can have a game where a CIS side could have guys like Grievous, Cad Bane and even maybe someday a mechanical-legs Darth Maul, facing off against Rex and Obi-Wan? That's just goofy fun.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 04:16:49


Post by: ingtaer


 Manchu wrote:
No doubt “Phase II” has the in-setting implication of indicating significant change, although not necessarily an improvement. For all I know, equipment may have gotten worse as resources became strained and training became a lower priority than deployment (not unknown in real war). But given that, as a product, they were released alongside B2s, I assume the Phase IIs are a stronger/more expensive unit relative to Phase Is. I guess the two might fight together in a transitionary period, fluffwise.

Fluff wise the Phase 1 armour was produced by Kaminoan's who didn't do a particularly good job of fitting it around humans, so it was not as efficient as it could be. The phase 2 armour was a better fit, had increased modularity and had improvements in its basics systems (better filtration units, audio gear, vox, grav boots etc.). Phase 2 was introduced around the time of the Battles of Sullust and Mon-Cala and was supposed to replace phase 1 entirely but didn't, even to the end of the war.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 04:18:47


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Some clones even chose to keep their Phase 1 stuff.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 04:48:03


Post by: AegisGrimm


I have to admit I expected a pretty early release of Clone AT-RT's, though. Kind of a no-brainer.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 04:51:16


Post by: ingtaer


According to rumour they are next along with the droid skimmer (STAP). I really wish they would release a cheap CIS commander! Just a generic T would do the job.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 04:54:24


Post by: Manchu


IMO the CW are more interesting for miniatures war gaming than the GCW because the former represents a proper war between states where the belligerents fielded traditional militaries in multiple system-wide campaigns rather than a political insurrection characterized mainly by asymmetrical guerrilla tactics.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 05:05:50


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Turns out making a war game about a war is easier than making a war game about an partisan insurrection.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 05:17:04


Post by: AegisGrimm


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Turns out making a war game about a war is easier than making a war game about an partisan insurrection.


Although from an outsiders (never played beyond the GenCon demo, only window shopped so far) perspective, the basic starter set Rebels and their (salvaged/stolen) AT-RT would make great Seperatist rebels to add variety to a CIS force, or even as a third party, to be fielded against Clones OR Clankers.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 05:20:05


Post by: Manchu


Clone AT-RTs and STAPs would both be awesome.

I‘s also like to see dwarf spider droids, as Corps. Might be interesting to have these be Troopers rather than Vehicles? Something like an Emplacement Trooper unit, but that can Climb/Clamber.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Turns out making a war game about a war is easier than making a war game about an partisan insurrection.
Exactly!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 05:52:11


Post by: Yodhrin


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
The point is there are at least four other special forces units that could and IMO should have filled that role.
That's a good point. Could have gone with Republic Commandos, or Galactic Marines. Probably another that I'm forgetting as well.

Man. There's just so much to draw from with the Clone Wars setting.




Something something all just variations on one thing with slight differences in armour!

 Manchu wrote:
This argument about how ARC Troopers are canonically deployed is triggering me hard because I am trying to chill out and enjoy SW again despite the IP being a fething wreck. There isn’t even a reasonable explanation of why the Clone Wars began so there’s no real point grinding our teeth over the GAR order of battle. I am just trying to stay focused on the superficial level of Star Wars actually featuring, ya know, a full scale galactic war.

As HBMC said, the Clone Wars can be mined for so much awesome stuff yet to come!


I'm mainly bringing up the canon thing to illustrate how odd I find it that they'd go out of their way to add a new depiction of a unit previously depicted differently when there are "off the shelf" alternatives that would already match up to that new depiction, and their MO up until this point has very much been reaching for the shelf-based options. It's not a "it's not onscreen in the movies, therefore it cannot exist!" thing or anything like that.

EDIT: And seriously? You guys are just going to keep stating the "muh partisan insurrection" thing as if I hadn't already refuted that in several different flavours of how wrong you are? As a wee reminder; the Galactic Civil War was, in fact, fought as an open war as well as an asymmetrical one, and also by definition asymmetrical warfare is a method of fighting a war.

Everyone gets it, you like the Clone Wars. Can you not just express that preference without trying to minimise the GCW to try and make your opinion seem like more than that?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 07:44:06


Post by: Albertorius


 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm finding it really strange that I don't care at all for the prequel trilogy, but at the same time love the idea of a Clone Wars wargame much more than a Galactic Civil War one?


Well, I don't much care for the prequels either, but I do love The Clone Wars series, so... yeah, I'm loving it.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 08:12:31


Post by: rybackstun


Give me ALL THE ARC TROOPERS.

ABSOLUTELY ECSTATIC about these guys.

Gonna get at least two units. Multiple helmets is great, I need my Phase 1 ARCs.

Might actually pick up enough to run multiple variations at any time


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 12:56:31


Post by: Geifer


I like the look of the ARC Troopers. Got to add a unit to my army. May as well get Padme, too. Not the least for contrast. All those clones can get samey. I really hope we'll see the Grand Gungan Army at some point, too.

While the AT-RT rumor makes sense as it's a cheap and easy addition, it won't do me any good. I already have two for my Rebels and I'm not sure I need any more with a different rider. I'd rather have something new and exciting. Not sure what would fit size wise, though. So many of the cooler Clone Wars things will probably not fit on the table.

Cad Bane is cool. Makes me wonder why I always end up with the factions that don't get bounty hunters. Oh well, I'll probably buy one just to paint, then.

I hope we don't have too long to wait for generic commanders. Empire and Rebels got theirs about three quarters of a year after the starter set's release. Hopefully Clone Wars will get the same treatment.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So is Legion increasingly going to plastic minis on sprues? All these expansions make definite mention of "hard plastic" in the descriptions.


I don't know how far reaching the change is supposed to be, but it was my understanding from what Gencon visitors said after Clone Wars were announced that FFG wanted to switch to hard plastic. Seeing as how we even get individual characters in that material now, it seems to me that full hard plastic is the goal.

Anyone got anything more recent or concrete than that?

 Manchu wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Turns out making a war game about a war is easier than making a war game about an partisan insurrection.
Exactly!


To each their own, but at the standard army size of 800 points I have a hard time fitting thirty guys in my Rebel army, vehicle crews included. That's a good size to have a tactical game with and I think FFG was wise to go with smaller army sizes than 40k or even Bolt Action have. At that kind of game size I'm going to have to say, say what you will, I'm sure space terrorists can gather 30 guys and grab some vehicles from their local used speeder dealer and not look like they have a hard time filling their roster.

Honestly I have the exact opposite problem you seem to have. I don't think the GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC will look all that grand, considering clones even cost more points than Rebels and Stormtroopers. Legion is about a couple of squads of guys. You don't need droid factories and cloning facilities to fill a force of so modest a size. Don't get me wrong, It's cool to get all the new Clone Wars toys and adding two factions to the original two will do the game good, but purely mechanically the game is more suited to the down to earth skirmished of the Glactic Civil War than the huge spectacles that are part of the Clone Wars.

 Albertorius wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm finding it really strange that I don't care at all for the prequel trilogy, but at the same time love the idea of a Clone Wars wargame much more than a Galactic Civil War one?


Well, I don't much care for the prequels either, but I do love The Clone Wars series, so... yeah, I'm loving it.


I like best that with Cad Bane and Rex FFG starts giving us Clone Wars units from very early on. It's just a shame that they don't have their priorities straight. Where's Ahsoka?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 16:28:21


Post by: Taarnak


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, is Imperial Assault completely dead then? Would anyone play it with Legion mins? I've got a complete set of IA rules and tiles I was hoping to trade away--should I not even bother and just trashe them?

So what do you mean when you say "complete set"? I intend to do exactly as you said and play with a combo of Legion minis and 3D prints. PM me what you have and what you might want in trade.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/12 23:31:11


Post by: bubber


 Taarnak wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, is Imperial Assault completely dead then? Would anyone play it with Legion mins? I've got a complete set of IA rules and tiles I was hoping to trade away--should I not even bother and just trashe them?

So what do you mean when you say "complete set"? I intend to do exactly as you said and play with a combo of Legion minis and 3D prints. PM me what you have and what you might want in trade.

the imp assault minis are smaller in scale & not the same as each other.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/13 00:05:41


Post by: Taarnak


 bubber wrote:
 Taarnak wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, is Imperial Assault completely dead then? Would anyone play it with Legion mins? I've got a complete set of IA rules and tiles I was hoping to trade away--should I not even bother and just trashe them?

So what do you mean when you say "complete set"? I intend to do exactly as you said and play with a combo of Legion minis and 3D prints. PM me what you have and what you might want in trade.

the imp assault minis are smaller in scale & not the same as each other.

Yeah I know. I was intending to replace all the minis with Legion ones where possible and 3D prints where that is not possible. My IA minis were a casting mess and the scale of the figures was all over the map. Legion is mostly consistent there at least.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/13 13:14:43


Post by: bubber


 Taarnak wrote:
 bubber wrote:
 Taarnak wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, is Imperial Assault completely dead then? Would anyone play it with Legion mins? I've got a complete set of IA rules and tiles I was hoping to trade away--should I not even bother and just trashe them?

So what do you mean when you say "complete set"? I intend to do exactly as you said and play with a combo of Legion minis and 3D prints. PM me what you have and what you might want in trade.

the imp assault minis are smaller in scale & not the same as each other.

Yeah I know. I was intending to replace all the minis with Legion ones where possible and 3D prints where that is not possible. My IA minis were a casting mess and the scale of the figures was all over the map. Legion is mostly consistent there at least.

I see

I bought the AT-ST thinking it was a bargain but it's tiny!!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/13 17:15:25


Post by: Kalamadea


Doing the same. I was hoping to see all of the IA figs makes the jump to Legion after the rebel commander showed up in the specialists pack. Most of them have from the base set, the rest have some close-enough stand-ins or can be rebased to match like the Nexu, but that gets harder and harder the more expansions you look at. Really hoping we get everything re-tooled by the end, I've really come to appreciate the Legion scale over the IA and WotC figs, even though I have such a large collection of them.

Only problem with these previews is how far out they are, I'm still waiting for PhaseII troopers and Super Battledroids to release


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/15 09:18:24


Post by: Kingsley


Reports indicate that Phase II Clones and SBDs will be released on the 28th (and I think the tanks as well?). Personally I'm really looking forward to adding those ARC troopers to my clones, those models are excellent!

I feel like FFG has come a very long way in a very short time with this game. Those commando droids with their guns poking through the shields are crazy.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/15 11:19:19


Post by: Geifer


I wouldn't mind a late February release for those. I've still got enough clones to paint so I'm not in a hurry myself*, but the extra variety will do the Clone Wars era armies good. Always feels a little odd to play with your Rebel army with its wide variety of units against someone starting up Legion with clones or droids.

I think sculpting quality was there from the beginning. Most troopers I handled have enticing poses and the only thing that's holding them back is being cast in PVC. The switch to plastic is a welcome one. I'm looking forward to seeing those Phase II Clones in person and comparing them to my PVC ones.



*Who am I kidding, I'll get an expansion to my Republic army regardless of how much of it is painted...


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/15 11:41:31


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Wrong thread! Ignore!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/15 11:50:30


Post by: Kingsley


I think Legion's early models were certainly decent (especially the vehicles which were and are IMO excellent) but there's still a notable difference in model quality between, say, the Rebel Troopers and the Pathfinders, despite them both being broadly the same sort of thing (humans or humanoids in cloth with helmets and rifles) -- the Pathfinders are notably more detailed and FFG has said in interviews that they've been getting more proficient with the technology.

Similarly, the Phase I Clones are both a bit nicer-looking than the Stormtroopers and easier to swap arms with and assemble in a variety of poses (despite still being PVC). Now we have Phase II Clones coming at the end of the month in hard plastic with different options on the sprue, ARCs with custom flying stands and jetpack options on the horizon... things are looking exciting!



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/15 15:00:26


Post by: Geifer


Hmm, I thought separation of the arms made Clones harder to work with than Stormtroopers. Shaving down both the shoulder and wrist pegs for a proper fit (and then gluing three parts together instead of two) gave me more trouble than only having to adjust the shoulders on the Stormtroopers. I certainly remember a lot more swearing on account of the Clones...

Agreed on the improved quality of the newer models, though. Now that you mention it, newer PVC models are crisper than the earlier ones.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 02:36:44


Post by: ingtaer


 Kingsley wrote:
Reports indicate that Phase II Clones and SBDs will be released on the 28th (and I think the tanks as well?). Personally I'm really looking forward to adding those ARC troopers to my clones, those models are excellent!

I feel like FFG has come a very long way in a very short time with this game. Those commando droids with their guns poking through the shields are crazy.


Yeah, word is the 28th for everything bar the AAT, though take with a massive grain of salt and temper your expectations depending upon which country you live in.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 08:46:55


Post by: Vector Strike


 ingtaer wrote:
 Kingsley wrote:
Reports indicate that Phase II Clones and SBDs will be released on the 28th (and I think the tanks as well?). Personally I'm really looking forward to adding those ARC troopers to my clones, those models are excellent!

I feel like FFG has come a very long way in a very short time with this game. Those commando droids with their guns poking through the shields are crazy.


Yeah, word is the 28th for everything bar the AAT, though take with a massive grain of salt and temper your expectations depending upon which country you live in.


Indeed. Here in Portugal, we expect to get those by the end of March's first week.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 10:07:23


Post by: kodos


Most of their stuff is sold out or very hard to get

anyone know if this is because the game is doing so well, or is FFG producing Legion in China (or a different reason)?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 13:20:07


Post by: AegisGrimm


The move to hard plastic is making Legion more tempting for me, for sure. PVC has been the real barrier for me since the days of the original GenCon demos caught my attention.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 18:07:30


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 kodos wrote:
Most of their stuff is sold out or very hard to get

anyone know if this is because the game is doing so well, or is FFG producing Legion in China (or a different reason)?


they don't do their own casting like GW so can't just run off more when they need them, they need to wait for the next order 'wave'. Factory slots are always hard to get hold of (Dakka's own Maelstroms edge looks to produce their plastic in more than one place from the look of the sprues and i'm sure being able to get things made in a timely fashion is part of the reason why)

you see the same thing with Wyrd, PP, CMON etc and because it's selling it's very noticeable for FFG and legion (note CMON has been pretty awful in terms of availability even when their games weren't selling well so there are probably other issues there too)


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 18:42:26


Post by: kodos


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

they don't do their own casting like GW so can't just run off more when they need them


I know that, that is why I asked.
There can be several reason why things don't work out. One being that the game sells better as FFG thought when they ordered their plastic and now have to wait for the next slot/wave to be shipped.
while a simple planning mistake to move from PVC to plastic would be another reason.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 21:51:26


Post by: Elbows


FFG is absolutely notorious for never ordering a reasonable amount of their own product. X-Wing, Star Wars Armada, etc...all suffer from 3-6 month droughts on popular or key miniatures/units/figures, etc. They play it way too safe.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 23:02:32


Post by: AegisGrimm


Ugh, Armada is the WORST for reprint waits.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/16 23:10:59


Post by: ingtaer


 kodos wrote:
Most of their stuff is sold out or very hard to get

anyone know if this is because the game is doing so well, or is FFG producing Legion in China (or a different reason)?


Both of these, Legion is now the 5th most popular played TTMWG and they are made in China. The biggest factor though is that FFG/Asmodee's distribution sucks, they never get the product released on time and altogether. There are also internal issues at the moment as Asmodee are cutting jobs and rejigging things but we do not know if this is actually effecting things (there has been no announcements just chatter from ex-staff) but the sudden cancelling of various X-Wing products suggests that there is a grain of truth to the matter.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 03:22:01


Post by: AegisGrimm


So as an outsider who doesn't own any models yet, what is the "soft plastic" like to deal with and paint? Is it comparable to restic, like some of the Mantic kits are made from (or Sedition Wars if some people have that)? Or is it more like boardgame plastic, like Runewars was made in?

I mostly wonder for priming purposes, and how well the paint will stick to the model depending on the brand of spray primer I use.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 05:44:46


Post by: Manchu


It is nothing like that awful Mantic junk. And it’s better than the RW stuff too.

TBH it started out very good and has only gotten better and better.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 05:58:01


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Did FFG ever release a Boushh miniature for IA or Legion? If not, have there been any third party imitation bits? I’m looking to get a helmet or two and they don’t need to be super accurate.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 08:15:53


Post by: Manchu


Negative but check Shapeways.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 09:11:09


Post by: ingtaer


Or the old SWM game if you can find one cheap.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 10:43:58


Post by: Geifer


 AegisGrimm wrote:
So as an outsider who doesn't own any models yet, what is the "soft plastic" like to deal with and paint? Is it comparable to restic, like some of the Mantic kits are made from (or Sedition Wars if some people have that)? Or is it more like boardgame plastic, like Runewars was made in?

I mostly wonder for priming purposes, and how well the paint will stick to the model depending on the brand of spray primer I use.


I prime mine with GW Chaos Black primer and it works just fine. No issues with primer or paint sticking to the models.

My exposure to PVC is pretty limited as I don't like the stuff, but Legion's "soft plastic" I'd say is on the better end of the spectrum. It's fairly hard and crisp for PVC, and only noticeably bendy on long, thin parts (or if you apply undue force) like lightsabers or the long Clone rifle that may need straightening. If you're familiar with Fallout Wasteland Warfare's starter set models, FFG's are a little harder and crisper than those. They are very far away from Reaper's white plastic models, suffering neither the bendiness nor the dodgy paint adhesion. They don't turn sticky when sprayed with the aforementioned primer like some of my Reaper models have either.

Overall I don't begrudge FFG using the material. It's not without flaws, but for PVC it's actually pretty good.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/17 18:20:36


Post by: Kalamadea


I've come to really like the material for the most part, it's easy to glue and easy-ish to clean mold lines from compared to other PVC minis, and easy to cut and glue for conversions. Good old HIPS is best, but I'd MUCH rather have a Legion PVC figure over a pewter or resin figure, even with the detail being a bit softer. The larger size of the Legion figs is actually an advantage here, makes them easier to paint and the softer detail is less of an issue,

Most people use regular primer on them just fine, but I had some issues with paint rubbing off of RuneWars figures too easily, so I went overkill and bought a bunch of variously colored Vinyl Dye and it's been glorious. It acts just like spray paint, but actually bonds with the plastic and permanently colors it, so if paint ever does rub off it reveals the properly colored "bare" plastic underneath, so the edges of my Clonetroopers can only ever wear down to reveal gloss white plastic no matter how much they're handled, and when I get around to finishing them them my Royal Guard can only ever wear down to a bright satin red,


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/18 02:09:55


Post by: AegisGrimm


that's good to hear. The main thing I was worried about is having to take special measures to get a primer that adequately sticks to the PVC models. I'm not at all worried about the hard plastics, but it's always been notoriously hard to find something for PVC. For things like Bones I had to start using a special Vallejo brush on primer, but even that doesn't stick super-solid like spray primer on metals or HIPS.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/18 15:25:08


Post by: D6Damager


 Manchu wrote:
There isn’t even a reasonable explanation of why the Clone Wars began so there’s no real point grinding our teeth over the GAR order of battle.


Go and re-watch the movies. It's not a subtle plot line...and fairly obvious why Palpatine started the war in order to create instability and a ready-to-go army for when he assumed power.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/18 22:58:42


Post by: ingtaer


So, the rumour was right;


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/18 23:00:19


Post by: Kanluwen


What's the second one supposed to be? Unit expansion for the ARCs?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/18 23:01:24


Post by: H.B.M.C.


It's just the ARC box:


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/18 23:52:59


Post by: AegisGrimm


Damn, that Republic AT-RT will me mine, along with some clones for a project that's not even for Star Wars Legion!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 00:52:26


Post by: Tiberius501


Ooo, that means that Clan Wren Mandalorians are going to be true too. I can’t wait.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 01:37:46


Post by: Mentlegen324


 ingtaer wrote:
 kodos wrote:
Most of their stuff is sold out or very hard to get

anyone know if this is because the game is doing so well, or is FFG producing Legion in China (or a different reason)?


Both of these, Legion is now the 5th most popular played TTMWG and they are made in China. The biggest factor though is that FFG/Asmodee's distribution sucks, they never get the product released on time and altogether. There are also internal issues at the moment as Asmodee are cutting jobs and rejigging things but we do not know if this is actually effecting things (there has been no announcements just chatter from ex-staff) but the sudden cancelling of various X-Wing products suggests that there is a grain of truth to the matter.


X-wing is a game I'd like to start when I can afford to, what sort of things have been cancelled with it? I hope things don't affect it too badly.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 07:31:00


Post by: ingtaer


 Mentlegen324 wrote:

X-wing is a game I'd like to start when I can afford to, what sort of things have been cancelled with it? I hope things don't affect it too badly.


Bit OT for this thread, relevant info can be found here - https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/784370.page#10693019

Posted this in the FFG RPG thread but its relevant for Legion as well. Asmodee have announced that they are no longer offering a parts replacement service and people need to go through the store where they purchased the product to get replacements, for many of us that is going to entail massive delays or it not happening at all (NZ distributor is pretty slack getting new product and I have zero confidence in them getting replacements).


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 11:47:02


Post by: AegisGrimm


Yeah, good luck with online purchases, then.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 19:19:45


Post by: Geifer


 ingtaer wrote:
So, the rumour was right;


Well then, AT-RT it is. Not that it's a bad thing, but it means whatever else is in store for the Republic will have to wait an extra release slot. And so do I. Might have to pick one up after all if I run out of stuff to paint by then.

I wonder if they're going to be cheap and reuse the Rebel one or at least give us another pose. Kinda hoping for the latter, but then I'll be annoyed that I have two identical ones in my Rebel army when I could have had a bit of variety instead.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Ooo, that means that Clan Wren Mandalorians are going to be true too. I can’t wait.


Really? That'd be cool.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 19:31:15


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Geifer wrote:
 ingtaer wrote:
So, the rumour was right;


Well then, AT-RT it is. Not that it's a bad thing, but it means whatever else is in store for the Republic will have to wait an extra release slot. And so do I. Might have to pick one up after all if I run out of stuff to paint by then.

I wonder if they're going to be cheap and reuse the Rebel one or at least give us another pose. Kinda hoping for the latter, but then I'll be annoyed that I have two identical ones in my Rebel army when I could have had a bit of variety instead.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Ooo, that means that Clan Wren Mandalorians are going to be true too. I can’t wait.


Really? That'd be cool.


According to the leak, when the AT-RT comes out the CIS will get STAPs so no need to skip a GAR release.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 20:14:50


Post by: Kingsley


 Geifer wrote:
I wonder if they're going to be cheap and reuse the Rebel one or at least give us another pose. Kinda hoping for the latter, but then I'll be annoyed that I have two identical ones in my Rebel army when I could have had a bit of variety instead.


If they do another pose you could probably buy a clone one and then swap the riders, which would be a cool way to add variety to both armies -- I bet there would be people looking for trades/swaps if so.

(On the other hand it's possible they'll make the new one multi-pose, which would be even better but would probably limit the extent to which people wanted to swap...)


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/19 23:49:55


Post by: ashlevrier


where did the image come from of the AT-RT?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/20 00:09:16


Post by: ingtaer


Spanish distributor.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/20 03:53:15


Post by: Grot 6


Tell the truth... We're all ready for "The Bad Batch"!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/20 12:07:25


Post by: Geifer


 Kingsley wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
I wonder if they're going to be cheap and reuse the Rebel one or at least give us another pose. Kinda hoping for the latter, but then I'll be annoyed that I have two identical ones in my Rebel army when I could have had a bit of variety instead.


If they do another pose you could probably buy a clone one and then swap the riders, which would be a cool way to add variety to both armies -- I bet there would be people looking for trades/swaps if so.

(On the other hand it's possible they'll make the new one multi-pose, which would be even better but would probably limit the extent to which people wanted to swap...)


One could, I'd assume. For me it's too late since my Rebel walkers are painted and I'm not going to rip them apart again, but I expect the Republic and Rebel kits will be compatible with no or absolutely marginal conversion work. I'm looking forward to the new plastic age, not the least because of this quote from the Saber tank article:

In addition to outfitting it for battle, you also have the freedom to choose how your hard plastic TX-130 Saber-class tank looks when it enters the fight, including whether its missile pods are open or closed, the type of weapon mounted on the hatch, and whether or not this weapon is manned by a gunner.


Modeling options are good and it seems that plastic infantry offered something in that regard already as well. That's a good step up from the monopose PVC models. There's really no reason why the AT-RT shouldn't have a swappable rider, if you have a spare Rebel laying around.

As for being posable, I don't know. The Rebel walker's legs have pistons and they're asymmetrical to boot so you can't just switch the right and left leg. That really hamstrings posing options. I could see a solution to the pistons, so maybe there could be posability. But it doesn't seem to me like FFG's kits are going to be that advanced for now. Options, yes. Posability, probably not yet.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/21 22:53:11


Post by: ingtaer


New rules reference released, nerfs both Tauntauns and Shore troopers as well as allowing pre measuring of movement.
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/29/5a/295a5473-0126-4a90-b139-5d5bdcbbab04/swl_rules_reference_16_eng-compressed.pdf

Will have to see if I can find it again but apparently Legion is doing a bit part magazine like the old LotR one.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/21 23:46:00


Post by: Samko


Legion partwork test run has been spotted in France (Auxerre) from Altaya.
N°1 is Dath vader, 3 rebels, 1 fence, 3 dice, 4 paints and a brush.
N°2 looks to be Luke, 3 stormtroopers, 3 dice and 3 paints and N°3 chewbacca, 1 fence, 3 dice, 2 paints and a brush.

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Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/02/22 06:31:36


Post by: ingtaer


Thanks for posting that, didn't have time to find it again before I had to go to work. Hope it gets to this part of the world.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/05 23:33:30


Post by: AegisGrimm


Oh, man....minor update on my Legion adventures: I'm glad to find out that Armypainter primers stick like an absolute dream to the soft plastic models, when experience with other kinds of PVC had me fearing priming. I'm now working on a box of MK1 Clones, Rex (he's soooo hard to get in my area!) and Boba Fett - yes, I know....incidentally it's for a skirmish warband for a completely different game (Star Breach), with the intention to eventually try out Legion. With his similar style of armor, Boba Fett is going to be the force's badass leader with a jump pack.

After 25 years and hundreds of models, I am actually working on my first honest-to-God, white-armored force with them, which I have always feared to try. I found a couple of good tutorials on Youtube using a combo techniques using washes and Contrast paints to make less-painful Clones and Stormtroopers.

Definitely cannot wait for the AT-RT and the Arcs. I'm even half tempted to get one of Mel's Miniatures 3-d printed Clone riders/drivers from Shapeways and stick it on a Rebel AT-RT for the time being.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/06 00:57:52


Post by: Aeneades


I am a sucker for a miniature partworks if it does make it's way to the UK. It would be a good way to get the exclusive event models re-released as well.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 03:57:16


Post by: ingtaer


So that's confirmed then;


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 04:01:59


Post by: rybackstun


I know they'll be Special Forces, but if Clan Wren were regular troops I'd lose my gak.

Great expansions regardless!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 10:07:03


Post by: Geifer


Very cool.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 11:24:53


Post by: warboss


 ingtaer wrote:
So that's confirmed then;
Spoiler:


They fly now?!?!? That might be the first pack I buy for gaks and giggles along with the ARC troopers. If they ever make a clone commando box, I'd be a sucker for that as well.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 13:16:16


Post by: bubber


I just hope it's a hard plastic set with loads of weapon & equipment options.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 13:18:56


Post by: Geifer


 warboss wrote:
 ingtaer wrote:
So that's confirmed then;
Spoiler:


They fly now?!?!? That might be the first pack I buy for gaks and giggles along with the ARC troopers. If they ever make a clone commando box, I'd be a sucker for that as well.


Makes sense that they would fly. They certainly did that a lot in Rebels.

 bubber wrote:
I just hope it's a hard plastic set with loads of weapon & equipment options.


One can only hope.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 13:26:42


Post by: warboss


 Geifer wrote:

Makes sense that they would fly. They certainly did that a lot in Rebels.


It was a tongue in cheek reference to a Demise of Skywalker trailer quote that raised eyebrows.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/11 13:30:07


Post by: LunarSol


 Geifer wrote:

 bubber wrote:
I just hope it's a hard plastic set with loads of weapon & equipment options.


One can only hope.


I'd expect the former, but not the latter.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/12 16:40:05


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


So this thread is long enough I'll bite. How is the game played (don't need too many details), what's the scale of the miniatures, and so far what eras have been covered? If they're doing anything Old Republic I'd buy in.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/12 17:07:30


Post by: Kalamadea


That's more of a general discussion topic, there's a whole forum for FFG games https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/29.page

But in short:
Spoiler:

-- reinforced platoon level skirmish force with 6-9 units/vehicles per side, custom dice and custom measurement sticks. Think Bolt Action level game more than 40K level of stuff on table
-- heroic 1/48 or 32mmish, generally larger than standard 28mm games, about a head taller than Imperial Assault on average
-- OT empire, OT Rebels, Clone Wars Republic, CW Separatists (any faction can fight any faction), with CW factions still being new and not many releases as yet
-- Nothing from new trilogy or Old Republic has been announced, and Old Republic specifically is extremely unlikely to ever happen in Legion


Back on topic, I'm still waiting for current releases to properly restock. I was finally able to get a second Stormtrooper upgrade kit, but the Clonetrooper upgrades, B2 droids and Phase II clones are still pretty much sold out everywhere except ebay gougers


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/12 18:55:46


Post by: hotsauceman1


Yeah, I was lucky to get a second Clone trooper Upgrade. The captain and DP23 are Soo worth it.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/13 01:51:41


Post by: ingtaer


Other than the Stormies that stuff hasnt even been released here yet!

On the discussion of materials, all new stuff is going to be in HIPS from now apparently, who knows about options though.

Also Iden Versio article is up (as Adepticon is cancelled);
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/3/12/taking-the-lead/
Spoiler:






Looks very good, if not broken?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/13 13:51:12


Post by: LunarSol


She's strong for sure. She doesn't ignore cover in most cases though which evens her out compared to a lot of other characters. She's a really interesting playstyle addition for Empire if nothing else. Excited to give her a try and see what Inferno Squad does as well.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 01:51:24


Post by: Kingsley


Interestingly, ICv2's latest figures now have Legion outselling X-Wing and taking the #4 slot (behind 40k, Sigmar, and D&D minis):

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/45370/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2019


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 15:12:01


Post by: bubber


 Kingsley wrote:
Interestingly, ICv2's latest figures now have Legion outselling X-Wing and taking the #4 slot (behind 40k, Sigmar, and D&D minis):

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/45370/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2019

good news. just need the supply to keep up with demand!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 15:26:12


Post by: AegisGrimm


This is FFG and I have been a fan of Armada since it came out. Keeping up with demand is....questionable. It's already hard to find several Legion products, and several Armada products have been hard to get for YEARS.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 15:34:44


Post by: Yodhrin


Yeah, with FFG stuff if you're not buying it when it comes out you're going to be SoL for months.

There's a wee rumour going about on the FFG forum that the Inferno & Clan Wren boxes will be a bit bigger than expected; five generics and two named characters in each, can be fielded as the named unit with said characters or a generic one.

It's being said that Wren gets Sabine's mum and brother(I don't recall their names) plus five Mandalorians, while Inferno gets Meeko and Hask plus five Imperial Special Forces.

I was planning on getting Inferno regardless, but if true that would make both boxes very appealing as I'd assumed they'd only have a few models.

Also there's ostensibly been comments on social media from FFG people implying that Iden & Cassian should be arriving on time, but everything after that is varying degrees of up in the air given the pandemic.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 15:38:25


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Yodhrin wrote:
Yeah, with FFG stuff if you're not buying it when it comes out you're going to be SoL for months.

There's a wee rumour going about on the FFG forum that the Inferno & Clan Wren boxes will be a bit bigger than expected; five generics and two named characters in each, can be fielded as the named unit with said characters or a generic one.

It's being said that Wren gets Sabine's mum and brother(I don't recall their names) plus five Mandalorians, while Inferno gets Meeko and Hask plus five Imperial Special Forces.

I was planning on getting Inferno regardless, but if true that would make both boxes very appealing as I'd assumed they'd only have a few models.

Also there's ostensibly been comments on social media from FFG people implying that Iden & Cassian should be arriving on time, but everything after that is varying degrees of up in the air given the pandemic.


Ursa and Tristan Wren. It would make sense for then to be the named ones.

I'll be picking them up and I don't even play Rebels.

Inferno Squad and Iden I will get, begrudgingly.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 17:45:18


Post by: kodos


Would be easier for the game if they would sell all the cards without models and allow people to use 3rd party stuff

would be tricky to balance between "not losing too much money" and "lose players because of nothing is available

but to be a healthy game and get people into it it could help (like the f2p people in PC games help to build up the playerbase and contribute to the health of the game without spending money)


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 17:54:43


Post by: LunarSol


There’s no reason to do that. If people want to proxy there’s plenty of online tools for getting cards. Most of the stock issues are with new releases anyway. There’s plenty of old stuff out in the wild. Probably the only game I can reliably say that about locally. More than GW even.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 18:10:51


Post by: kodos


selling official cards bring is more money than units not being available at all and people printing their own

to get a game running you need a playerbase above a specific level.
the best game does not work if there are not enough people playing it.

having to many people who want to try it but cannot because the new core box is out of stock (and no one is interested in the old one) having a starter box with everything but the models (as I guess those are the issue why they cannot deliver) would help as people don't wait forever
(guy wanted to start in december, he only got 2 units for his Imperial list yet as everything else he wants is out of stock, if he needs to wait much longer he won't start playing at all)


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/14 18:51:51


Post by: Yodhrin


 LunarSol wrote:
There’s no reason to do that. If people want to proxy there’s plenty of online tools for getting cards. Most of the stock issues are with new releases anyway. There’s plenty of old stuff out in the wild. Probably the only game I can reliably say that about locally. More than GW even.


Maybe where you are man, over here it's a nightmare. I ordered a Dewback box at the end of December and got it last week. I'm still waiting on the two Clone Wars core sets I ordered at the same time. Over here restocks take months and they're often sold out again almost immediately - same thing happened with X-Wing.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/26 23:46:18


Post by: ingtaer


Previews of new Legion stuff shown on FFG's live stream (supposed to be shown at Adepticon). Clan Wren, Inferno sqn, AT-RT and STAPS.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/3/26/a-legacy-of-war/
Spoiler:












https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/3/26/on-the-move/
Spoiler:











Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 00:01:39


Post by: Kanluwen


Yeeeesss, ARF Troopers!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 02:00:19


Post by: Commander Cain


I could see myself buying every single one of those kits, very impressive looking stuff!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 02:05:20


Post by: rybackstun


Clan Wren and Inferno Squad looks amazing. Can not wait!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 03:45:30


Post by: Yodhrin


Glad to see the Phase 1 ARF helmet in the AT-RT, casting up enough for my whole force will be a bit of a chore but at least I can do the army I envisioned now.

Wren & Inferno look brilliant.

The only turd in the stew is the probable delay in us being able to get hold of them all.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 04:23:35


Post by: Tiberius501


Man, I am mad keen for the Mandalorians! They look pretty beast.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 14:20:16


Post by: LunarSol


Excited for Inferno Squad. Kind of annoyed their official title is Imperial Special Forces though, as that's literally two keywords jammed together being treated as a unit name.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 15:27:04


Post by: Gallahad


Their heads look really big to me...


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 17:11:40


Post by: Soundtheory


 Gallahad wrote:
Their heads look really big to me...


That would be because they are wearing helmets; more specifically flight helmets, because they can act as both pilots and infantry, just like the old Space Above & Beyond show.



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 17:19:01


Post by: Geifer


Nice stuff. Need me some Mandalorians and Imperials.

 Gallahad wrote:
Their heads look really big to me...


FFG sculpts their Legion models with somewhat heroic scale. It's largely not as pronounced as GW models and mostly apparent for head size. If your measure of things is realistic proportions, yes, the heads of Legion models should look big to you.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/27 19:50:26


Post by: Mentlegen324


Something seems odd about the T-21 on the Imperial Special forces, it looks like it's different to the usual depiction of the T-21:



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/03/28 09:15:28


Post by: Vector Strike


The STAPs look awesome


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/04/07 00:51:28


Post by: ingtaer


New tournament rules are up;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/4/6/new-directives/

Change to victory conditions (now on MoV and not SoS) and introducing silhouette templates to get around the stupidity of being able to shoot models because you can see the tip of their weapons.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/04/07 14:32:55


Post by: AegisGrimm


I absolutely see the need for tournaments, to shut up the neckbeards, but sometimes I am super glad I am a casual player.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/04/07 14:51:46


Post by: Arbitrator


 AegisGrimm wrote:
I absolutely see the need for tournaments, to shut up the neckbeards, but sometimes I am super glad I am a casual player.

Casual At All Cost 'Neckbeards' are just as prominent, especially in an IP like Star Wars.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/04/07 15:29:57


Post by: LunarSol


It's weird; part of the problem with Legion is just that it uses TLOS in a system where height doesn't matter for terrain outside of 6" increments. In most cases, the minor dependencies in height can be resolved by having taller terrain, but level design is still completely up to the players so issues like this crop up.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/18 00:06:50


Post by: ingtaer


After a long hiatus there is finally some Legion news! Article on Padme;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/6/17/aggressive-negotiator/





Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/18 08:13:41


Post by: hotsauceman1


Fate in your hands is pretty good considering she can share tokens.
That really is the clones things huh, sharing so many tokens.
Also, is it me or is.....her pistol better than the blaster? I'm going to get both so I can run either, bit it seems the pistols is better.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/18 19:50:29


Post by: Barzam


Wait, are these actual hard plastic model kits now? When did that happen?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/18 19:51:54


Post by: Kanluwen


 Barzam wrote:
Wait, are these actual hard plastic model kits now? When did that happen?

I think it started with the Battle Droids? I know the Phase II Clones were.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/18 19:58:32


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


It started with the CIS side of the Clone Wars starter set.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/19 09:10:20


Post by: Geifer


I for one welcome our new plastic overlords.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Also, is it me or is.....her pistol better than the blaster? I'm going to get both so I can run either, bit it seems the pistols is better.


I'd consider it for the range advantage. It may not be a good comparison, but my Rebels are mostly restricted to range 2, so I'm pretty aware of the limitations of that. Gaining a longer ranged attack on a character I don't want to see charged by someone with a lightsaber appeals to me.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/19 09:25:25


Post by: ingtaer


As a force multiplier and with squishy white defence I dont think having her in a shoot out is really the best place for her.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/19 09:36:21


Post by: Geifer


What can I say? If my force multipliers don't come to the fight, the fight inevitably comes to them. I can think of worse ways to spend those 5 points than to give me a bit of room to maneuver and drive off things that come after her.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/06/25 09:13:59


Post by: ingtaer


Cad Bane article is up;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/6/24/a-new-breed-of-bounty-hunter/




Looks really good, pricey but good. Has also been leaked that Maul with a DRK is going to be the next CIS operative.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/07/27 09:14:23


Post by: ingtaer


Past couple of weeks have seen the ARC and BX droid articles;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/7/16/battle-tested/
Spoiler:






https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/7/23/deadly-droids/
Spoiler:







Been loving the Commandos with swords but really not sold on any of the three other choices. The snipers seem great as a cheaper activation but as the AI is move or dodge they need to be given an order to make use of their ability (or to actually hit anything) which does not mesh very well with how CIS play.
ARCs just seem flat broken with all the token sharing stuff the faction does.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/07/27 19:44:49


Post by: hotsauceman1


kinda a bummer that Arc troopers dont get a second weapon. but echo and fives make up for it.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/07/27 22:11:33


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I may have to get those commando droids. I really want some Star Wars combat droids that don’t have that prequel “Roger roger” feeling. I still have my fingers crossed that FFG will make the security droids from the prison ship episode of The Mandalorian.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/07/28 08:33:23


Post by: ingtaer


Have you tried looking at 3d prints, Bob? There are a wide variety to suit most tastes if you have access to a printer but I do love the BX droids.
In record timing, FFG have released the last of this waves preview articles, one would assume to clear the decks before the Gencon announcements on the 30th.

Clan Wren;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/7/27/a-house-united/?fbclid=IwAR0DPDibkGLiT1u9CrUj7P03hh2xtiba7VCLdMdCPsZkx6mtcyvKd-9sLp4
Spoiler:







Love the look of the models but the rules seem really underwhelming and over priced.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/08/06 07:07:16


Post by: ingtaer


Inferno squadron article is up;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/8/5/spread-like-fire/

Spoiler:






Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/08/06 15:17:09


Post by: LunarSol


Bummer you don't get enough models for both squads unlike the Wren expansion.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/08/06 19:02:45


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


But you do.

4 Base guys in a Squad.

1 guy + Meeko and Hask

Just not enough for 5 dudes in the generic squad.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/08/06 20:42:35


Post by: LunarSol


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
But you do.

4 Base guys in a Squad.

1 guy + Meeko and Hask

Just not enough for 5 dudes in the generic squad.


Sure, so you have to pick. The point is you do not have to make these choices in other sets.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/08/06 23:25:04


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 LunarSol wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
But you do.

4 Base guys in a Squad.

1 guy + Meeko and Hask

Just not enough for 5 dudes in the generic squad.


Sure, so you have to pick. The point is you do not have to make these choices in other sets.


I think the expectation is that you'll buy more than one unit? Same way one unit of ARC Troops will be built with Fives/Echo, but in theory you could build a future box without them at all?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/08/07 14:15:33


Post by: LunarSol


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
But you do.

4 Base guys in a Squad.

1 guy + Meeko and Hask

Just not enough for 5 dudes in the generic squad.


Sure, so you have to pick. The point is you do not have to make these choices in other sets.


I think the expectation is that you'll buy more than one unit? Same way one unit of ARC Troops will be built with Fives/Echo, but in theory you could build a future box without them at all?


That's awkward in its own way, since two packs of 7 leaves you with 14 figures you can only use 13 of. It's also just not a unit you really want to spam. I agree the intent was to retain the value of the pack while retaining "uniques" in it, but building the uniques as generic alt sculpts really doesn't have a practical application with the way this unit's options are laid out. It's just an awkward breakdown that would have been greatly improved by either having an 8th figure in the box, or making the ISF unit a 3 man base.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 00:25:52


Post by: ingtaer


Leak from Spiel's convention list has the next GCW releases being Lando and Agent Kallus.

We also seem to have missed out on the Heroes and Legends news in this thread?
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/8/1/heroes-and-legends-1/





Maul is looking good but really excited for the T-Series droid, finally a cheap commander for CIS (55pts).


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 02:07:51


Post by: rybackstun


Prolly gonna grab Agent Kallus. Would be interesting to see if they do ISB Agents to go with him.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 12:26:52


Post by: Geifer


Looking forward to the generic clone commander. Always good to have the option for General Nobody.

Lando and Kallus? Nice and, frankly, about time in Lando's case. I really hope FFG isn't going to make us wait as long for Ahsoka, but after R2 and 3PO coming so late as well it looks like they're really dragging out the fan favorites...


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 12:35:26


Post by: Kanluwen


There's probably more licensing stuff surrounding characters like Lando, R2, C3PO and the like.

Kallus is one I kinda expected, didn't expect Lando without Lobot though.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 16:48:23


Post by: Geifer


Is that actually a thing? I mean, I don't know how this stuff works in the case of Star Wars, but you'd think Disney threw enough money at Lucas and has the kind of legal department that they have full control over the IP they bought. Right?

I can certainly put the two droids down to being a double faction unit and FFG not releasing them before Clone Wars and thus the Republic was out, but still. Can't help but feel they're making some odd choices with their character releases*.



* I mean, look at the Spiel rumor. Rebels get two characters and Empire gets none. Unfair!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 17:00:35


Post by: Kanluwen


Disney owns the IP, but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't other bits and bobbles moving in the background as well. My wild, pie in the sky speculation has to do with them wanting to establish a 'canon' point for the characters to get included with Legion. As in, "did this actually happen? did this? did this?" tying them in.

Also, it's possible that these two are not the only thing. They said there's 4 GCW items coming awhile back.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/10 17:27:48


Post by: hotsauceman1


Shouldnt it also have to do with the likeness of actors being put into miniature for?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/12 21:53:00


Post by: LunarSol


 Geifer wrote:
Can't help but feel they're making some odd choices with their character releases*.


I think its just a problem with the game engine itself. The core system just doesn't incorporate named characters particularly well beyond the one you take as your commander and a lot of the power from characters comes from the cards they bring, which you can only bring in very limited amounts. It really limits the ways character can be worked into the game.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/13 16:39:23


Post by: Geifer


I guess if you focus on the game there is limited design space and once you got a certain angle covered with a character, there's not much point to having more, similar characters included for gameplay reasons.

Still, with it being Star Wars I'd think that they would want everyone to be able to play with (and more importantly be able to buy ) their favorite characters. And with Star Wars being so driven by named characters, it's something that they had to have considered from the start.

Oh well, maybe it's just me waiting for Ahsoka and Bombad General Jar Jar. Got to pass the time somehow...


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/13 16:41:45


Post by: Kanluwen


There are very definitive hints that Ahsoka's coming.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/13 16:59:35


Post by: Geifer


Anakin's coming and he's helpless without her?

But seriously, there are? That's cool.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/22 00:30:45


Post by: ingtaer


Leaks were correct again then;
Spoiler:





Anakin article; https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/10/20/the-chosen-one/







Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/22 00:39:20


Post by: Kanluwen


Worth mentioning that Lando and the Agent weren't leaked by the 'usual' methods. Spiel Essen posted them in the open rather than hidden.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/22 00:41:58


Post by: warboss


With mutton chops like those, I'd expect that Imperial to have beskar claws that come out of his hands.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/22 13:59:04


Post by: LunarSol


 warboss wrote:
With mutton chops like those, I'd expect that Imperial to have beskar claws that come out of his hands.


He gets a big pike instead:

Spoiler:



Also



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/22 15:04:34


Post by: warboss


Clearly a missed opportunity now that Disney has gobbled up Lucasfilm, Marvel, and Fox!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 02:22:25


Post by: Grot 6


Is the full GHOST Crew out now? IIRC, didn't they have that red headed guy from Fallen Empire out there somewhere?

Another guy that we should be seeing should be Darth Jar Jar... with his Patented Klutz Force push.

I'm rebuilding a couple of Tie fighters, so seeing that Inferno squadron show up is pretty neat.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 02:53:50


Post by: ingtaer


None of the Ghost crew are out, or even announced. Nor is there any stuff from KOTR.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 04:39:48


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I thought Sabine was out?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 05:27:29


Post by: hotsauceman1


Sabine is indeed out
They might be adding more Rebels and non-movie stuff soon because stuff like Wren, Rex and others are out.
Im just sitting here waiting for Clone Commandos and Commander Cody


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 07:20:18


Post by: ingtaer


Damn, you are both quiet right, not sure how I overlooked Sabine!

I thought we were due for another couple of expansions to be announced as well as Lando and Kallus, was sure that there were supposed to be four GCW coming this next wave.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And forgot to mention this;


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 08:10:21


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Some more infantry would be nice. Some Galactic Marines would be a nice touch, as they're some of the coolest looking Clone Troopers.



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 12:15:54


Post by: Geifer


Would be cool to get the Imperial soldiers from the Solo movie.

And, frankly, non-cone, non-droid participants in the Clone Wars.

All to add a bit if diversity and choice.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 16:57:17


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Geifer wrote:
Would be cool to get the Imperial soldiers from the Solo movie.

And, frankly, non-cone, non-droid participants in the Clone Wars.

All to add a bit if diversity and choice.

Senate Guard would be nice. But with the variaty of clones im fine with just them for awhile.
However, the Cis Operatives expansions have a droid that can heal non droid units, so those might come out. not sure what they will be. Umbarans? Geonosians?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/23 22:27:42


Post by: mortar_crew


Tarkin, Pryce and of course, Thrawn would be welcomed.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 01:16:56


Post by: ingtaer


Maul article;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/10/27/dark-duelist/






I love absolutely everything about this expansion, cool models, fantastic rules, competitive pricing. Makes Vader look like an absolute wimp though, hope they change that with the big shake up expected for next month.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 02:14:38


Post by: Tiberius501


What’s the big shakeup next month?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 04:36:14


Post by: NH Gunsmith


 Tiberius501 wrote:
What’s the big shakeup next month?


Interested in knowing this info as well. Been slowly working my into starting Legion soon, by clearing out other minis I don't use... but is there going to be a big balance update between the models or something?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 04:59:00


Post by: ingtaer


Changes to the rules and rebalancing of some points. Nothing is confirmed yet but sounds like they are going to try and make not taken upgrades better and rebalance vehicles using the AAT as a base


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 05:28:59


Post by: NH Gunsmith


 ingtaer wrote:
Changes to the rules and rebalancing of some points. Nothing is confirmed yet but sounds like they are going to try and make not taken upgrades better and rebalance vehicles using the AAT as a base


Oh wow. Very neat indeed! Honestly glad to see how much rules support this game is getting.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 06:02:30


Post by: hotsauceman1


I play Republic so i doubt it will affect me much. It seems like its meant more for empire and rebels.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/10/29 07:00:57


Post by: ingtaer


Rumour mill says that GAR is due a nerf, likely around the token sharing mechanic (widely hoped to mean that stand by cannot be shared).


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/11/24 11:12:13


Post by: ingtaer


Played a tournament with the new rules (but not points) on Saturday, despite the nerfing GAR still took the top three spots.

Really like most of the changes that have been made, the loss of stand by sharing is great as is the revamp to transports. The change to compulsory movement is really great for STAPs that dont have an order token. Really not liking the change to field commander though, although it gives some new list diversity the fact that the rank doesn't change could make bounty pointless and it just seems... cheap. 2x AAT was a thing before and had a 180pt tax on it in the form of a commander, now you dont even have to take that.

Not really thought about point changes yet, 20pts off droideka seems nice but STAPs are still a better option in the same spot. Trying to encourage full squads is nice though.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/11/24 12:01:13


Post by: Geifer


Who's got the field commander special rule? I know Aayla does since I wanted that upgrade on my Saber anyway.

I agree it's nice for opening thematic choices. No idea if it's good for the game or tournaments, though, as I'm not that involved really.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/11/24 12:40:25


Post by: ingtaer


T series AAT pilot.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/11/24 13:15:28


Post by: Geifer


Oh, that's not a lot. I had hoped I missed an Imperial or Rebel upgrade card.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2020/11/24 14:11:54


Post by: RazorEdge


Finally

Kallus and his Roman Weisenau Helmet...


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/11 16:34:51


Post by: warboss


Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/11 17:07:51


Post by: ImAGeek


 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


Yeah, they show up a few times through Clone Wars.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/13 20:18:09


Post by: Grot 6


 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/13 21:41:22


Post by: warboss


Ah, ok, thanks. My knowledge of the Clone Wars used to be very deep (mainly novels, Dark Horse comics, SWSE rpg, and the first cartoon) but it stopped at the Ashoka cartoon so I didn't recognize them. Obviously after so many seasons they had free reign to both alter existing and add new lore.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 10:50:22


Post by: Yodhrin


 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 13:36:02


Post by: ingtaer


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.


They use a severed head of a T-Series to track down Rex in Rebels.

Got a chance to play with the new Separatists stuff last night, not sold on either the aim or repair droids but the medical droid is filthy when used in conjunction with Dooku or Maul. Used 3x T series, two as unit leaders for B2s and one as Command option and they performed serviceably. The new command cards are okay (nuking Palp with an orbital strike was amusing) but I think they will be most useful with the 2 AAT list.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 13:42:03


Post by: hotsauceman1


I heard the specialists got pushed back, is that true at all?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 15:29:09


Post by: ingtaer


For the US yes, I got mine on Tuesday in the UK.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 15:44:40


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 ingtaer wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.


They use a severed head of a T-Series to track down Rex in Rebels.

Got a chance to play with the new Separatists stuff last night, not sold on either the aim or repair droids but the medical droid is filthy when used in conjunction with Dooku or Maul. Used 3x T series, two as unit leaders for B2s and one as Command option and they performed serviceably. The new command cards are okay (nuking Palp with an orbital strike was amusing) but I think they will be most useful with the 2 AAT list.


Repair bot + STAP or Droidekas are AMAZING, btw.

Edit: Nevermind. My confusion was from these specialists having reverse names and functions vs. their biological counterparts.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 18:20:14


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 22:04:10


Post by: balmong7


 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Best part of the Battle Droid wackiness was that at some point I don't remember if it was in the cartoon or the books but they literally made it canon that B1 droids are stupid because the manufacturers skimped on processing power in order to keep them cheap and easy to mass-produce.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 22:14:18


Post by: hotsauceman1


Yeah but then the tactical droids where even stupider


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 23:34:34


Post by: Kanluwen


Just happened to be perusing the internets and saw some new preorders but no photos!
LAAT/le Patrol Transport for $59.95MSRP
A-A5 Speeder Truck for $59.95MSRP

Apparently the images don't want to work. That's cool. Anyways, they're both from Star Wars Rebels.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/14 23:35:23


Post by: ingtaer


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Repair bot + STAP or Droidekas are AMAZING, btw.


I worry that you will never get the chance to repair STAPs as whenever I use them they end up miles away from the rest of my line by turn 3! Does seem fun with destroyers now they have gone down in points.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 00:28:51


Post by: hotsauceman1


Makes me hope Maybe the Clone LAAT might come.
I still want gungan riders


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 00:42:01


Post by: Kanluwen


Look it up. It's a LAAT that is more for patrolling than anything else


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 02:32:59


Post by: hotsauceman1


What do you guys think the odds are of getting gungans?
Gungan calvary could be GAR equivalent to the other armies calvary.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 02:35:48


Post by: Arbitrator


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What do you guys think the odds are of getting gungans?
Gungan calvary could be GAR equivalent to the other armies calvary.

I don't see why not. If they're putting out cold-weather units and Dewbacks having planet-specific stuff like Naboo Security and Gungans wouldn't be out of place.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 03:31:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Yeah but the Galactic Civil War units they put out were put out because there isn't much else to use (outside of just making stuff up, which many games set in this period have done for the Rebels). It's why you have Rebel armies with Endor commandos, Hoth Troopers, Tantive IV security troopers and Luke's landspeeder with a gun slapped onto it all in the same army. The GCW is really "bitsy" in that regard, as there's no cohesion or anything solid to give to the Rebel side (I mean, one of their initial minis was something stolen from the Clone Wars era!)

Adding Gungans, a group that fought in a single battle 10 years prior to the clone wars, wouldn't make a lot of sense.



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 03:47:03


Post by: hotsauceman1


However the Darth Maul we got was the EP1. Probe droids and all.
And during the clone wars he never faught for the CIS.
Mismatched eras are possible


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 03:53:52


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
However the Darth Maul we got was the EP1. Probe droids and all. And during the clone wars he never faught for the CIS.
Mismatched eras are possible
But he was a pretty important factor during the Clone Wars. One of the last battles of the Clone Wars - the Siege of Mandalore - can almost be placed on his shoulders.

As for the probe droids, they make for neat models, and add something to his character beyond angry red guy with a double sabre.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 04:01:39


Post by: Sabotage!


I still want to see Mudtroopers from Solo, or Imperial Army Troopers. Imperial Probe droids (Empire Strikes back style) would be nice too. I do agree that the Galactic Civil War doesn't have a ton of on film options for Rebels. Maybe some kind of Mon Calamari Technician or Bothan Spy/Saboteur unit? They were both groups that were instrumental the the Rebellion's success, but didn't have a lot of screen time.

I also thinking a unit of "Scum Mercenaries" comprised of Rodians, Quarren, Humans, Weeqay, a variety of aliens, etc. that can be used by any faction would be pretty cool. Have some sort of "Underhanded" ability.

Generally I think the unit selection has been pretty good though. I'm wondering what AMG will do with things. I know they mentioned other games in SW being made. I would love to see an actual Skirmish game that uses Legion minis and gets some new releases that can work between games.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 04:18:52


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 04:30:17


Post by: Sabotage!


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.



I've always thought they looked pretty cool. Kind of proto-Snow Troopers, whom are my favorite Imperial trooper other than Death Troopers.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 05:06:42


Post by: hotsauceman1


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.


Well they are on screen, Ergo canon, so we will for sure see them.
I can see them being either the 3rd troop, or Death Trooper equivilent.
Now what i want but i dont think we will get, Scuba Troopers.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 05:34:45


Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've said it before, but I want them to do the Galactic Marines. They're just cool looking Clone Troopers that we only got a glimpse of in Revenge of the Sith (they killed poor Ki-Adi Mundi).

Sort of an alternate elite unit to the ARC Troopers. That said, I'd expect them to do Clone Commandos first.



Just paint snow troopers red. The “galactic marines” were just a few seconds of fan service in the film, and If not for the different colour, they would look identical to lovely troopers from Empire.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 06:10:13


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Something we'd never seen nor heard about was included for "fan service"?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 07:44:43


Post by: hotsauceman1


Yeah, I think all of that was meant to show variety of troopers that existed.
Also
To make the back to back execution of the Jedi be more visually interesting


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 09:03:36


Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Something we'd never seen nor heard about was included for "fan service"?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


It wouldn’t be you, if you haven’t replied with a snarky comment, I get it, but common man, you know what I meant, Don’t play dumb. I just had an idea how you could get what you thrive for. I guess, you don’t like any gak flying SW way. And A design with a new colour is not a completely new design. Revenge of the sith had all the helmets from the original trilogy on the heads of the clones. Member scout troopers? Kashyyk. Member snow troopers? Here they are executing order 66. Of course they have a new name, but they even had a green planet for those new scout troopers and had snow for those “not snow troopers”. You’ll still recognise Ford Mustang, if it was painted green and called Fustang, right? It’s just brand recognition and what fans want to see.

And painting snow troopers red will effectively give you what you want. AFAIK snow troopers are available to purchase.

Unless you meant rules specific to those “new” troopers, then yeah, you’ll have to wait for the official release.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 11:19:00


Post by: Billicus


I've never liked the "red snow troopers" look for galactic marines, it's a common thing lots of Legion players were doing when snow troopers came out and I think it looks wrong - the blasters are wrong, for one thing. I think it's reasonable to want them and also think it's quite likely we'll get them at some point.


I got what you meant by them maybe being fan service-y though, in that they were a bit of a callback to Empire Strikes Back.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 17:03:34


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


Billicus wrote:
I've never liked the "red snow troopers" look for galactic marines, it's a common thing lots of Legion players were doing when snow troopers came out and I think it looks wrong - the blasters are wrong, for one thing.


Except in the EU, they kept the Marines and they used E-11s.

The most wrong about it is they dont have the correct arm armor, not stopping me from doing them as Marines.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 20:19:38


Post by: Billicus


It was clear from the context, but I'm talking about the suggestion that people who want galactic marines for the clone wars can just paint snowtroopers red. They didn't have E-11s in the clone wars, they had DC-15s.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/15 20:23:53


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


I didnt get that, but if thats what you meant, fair do.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/01/16 17:27:46


Post by: Yodhrin


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Same thing has happened to Stormtroopers unfortunately. And rather than just accept that the baddies have to be jobbers sometimes in a kids cartoon, the noodlebrains in charge of Disneycanon chose to assert that the Empire phased out basically all its military forces except Stormtroopers and the Navy and Stormtroopers took on the "dregs and conscripts" recruitment policy of the old Army Infantry, and now we get to enjoy whole scenes in live action shows taking the piss out of them for having garbage aim.

I sure can't wait to see Taika Waititi's film...


EDIT: The Phase 2 cold assault/hostile environment armour actually has quite a few differences from the later Stormtrooper version.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/10 00:50:14


Post by: mokoshkana


Anyone hear word that the US release for specialists is delayed....again?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/10 07:37:22


Post by: hotsauceman1


No, where is this news?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/10 14:16:35


Post by: ingtaer


Yep, till either the 19th or 26th depending upon who you ask. Bizarre that I got mine a month ago and the US (plus other places?) is still waiting.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/10 16:30:25


Post by: hotsauceman1


It was only delayed for Americans until Feb 19ty last I heard


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/10 16:48:34


Post by: the_scotsman


 Yodhrin wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Same thing has happened to Stormtroopers unfortunately. And rather than just accept that the baddies have to be jobbers sometimes in a kids cartoon, the noodlebrains in charge of Disneycanon chose to assert that the Empire phased out basically all its military forces except Stormtroopers and the Navy and Stormtroopers took on the "dregs and conscripts" recruitment policy of the old Army Infantry, and now we get to enjoy whole scenes in live action shows taking the piss out of them for having garbage aim.

I sure can't wait to see Taika Waititi's film...


EDIT: The Phase 2 cold assault/hostile environment armour actually has quite a few differences from the later Stormtrooper version.


The level of resource expenditure necessary to keep up the appearance of an unstoppable empire of unfathomable peerless might and perfect, ordered discipline essentially means that most historical military forces that tried to model themselves as that ended up being paper tigers that could, essentially, be defeated by enemies expending minute fractions of the amount of resources it took to keep up the ideological front.

if the historical inspiration for the empire was (obviously) germany in WW2 and at least one historical inspiration for the rebellion was the vietcong, stormtroopers being basically totally inept makes perfect sense. All these big hyperexpansionist empires basically burn through their real scary elite troops in a matter of a couple years, generally the early part of the military campaign when they garner the reputation for being unstoppable, and then they end up settling for anyone they can conscript to do what amounts to larping as the previous scary elite troopers while the bulk of the resources of said empire goes towards the creation of impressive looking but increasingly impractical propaganda weaponry.

By the New Hope, the empire we're seeing has reached the equivalent point of the V-2 rocket program and the King Tiger tanks in WW2. If anything, the fact that the stormtroopers in the OT all appear to be adult men of standard military age and the fact that the planet destroying laser weapon actually functions accurately is the most unrealistic element - but I suppose it wouldn't have been nearly as exciting to watch Han and Luke fighting old men and 15 year olds or to see the Rebellion slowly cause the empire to run out of resources by flying one single one-man space fighter at the Death Star and making it fire off the horribly inaccurate death laser that costs one quadrillion spacebucks per shot.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 17:31:49


Post by: ImAGeek


Leaked upcoming releases I saw on Facebook:



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 17:51:17


Post by: Kanluwen


Thoughts as to what the "Infantry Support Unit" might be?

I'm thinking Bad Batch/ Commandos. There's 3 Republic and 4 CIS otherwise.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 17:53:28


Post by: hotsauceman1


Well all the republic stuff is released on july so it must be.
Infantry Support migt be their turret? with the Dwarf Spider taking up the role for Cis


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 17:53:53


Post by: ImAGeek


Yeah I think it’s defo Republic, not sure what they are though. Commandos make sense opposite Magna Guard but I dunno why they wouldn’t just call them that (ditto Bad Batch).


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 17:54:42


Post by: Kanluwen


It might be meant to be a 'surprise' announcement?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 20:21:49


Post by: ingtaer


Most speculation is that it will be this;
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Infantry_Support_Platform

Though why it would be missing the "Platform" bit of the title is anyones guess.


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Oh, and I am excited to get Dwarf Spiders! Got a unit printed out already and am looking forward to finally getting them painted.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 21:06:39


Post by: Nostromodamus


Oh damn, I was just saying to my wife recently I wish Legion had Persuaders and Dwarf Spiders, and here they are! She’ll be excited about Yoda and the Wookies too.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/13 23:52:15


Post by: hotsauceman1


So i was thinking, The Wookies might be a plastic rerelease of the Rebel ones in a duel box.
And the Gnasp might also be for rebels. Possibly Yoda for rebels, but i cant see that really happening.
Looks like GAR is might get a lot of cross over.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/14 02:32:26


Post by: Tiberius501


Yay! Magnaguard! Been waiting for these boiz to put with Grievous.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/14 23:24:38


Post by: Yodhrin


the_scotsman wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is the T-series droid from the Clone Wars cartoon?


They end up being a sub level villain in a couple of the shows, and then ended up in Rebels, as a contender when the crew came across a lost Droid Army outpost.

They all finally figured out what the fans have been thinking.... That they all had been duped, and were fighting each other even though they were on the same side. Old Man Rex, and the robot had a heart to heart that was pretty fascinating.


The Rebels one was a Super Tactical Droid - apart from the aesthetic, the chief distinction is they're actually vaguely competent tacticians, unlike the T-series. It first pops up in the Onderon arc of TCW I think.

Droids really did suffer from being in a cartoon and their "Wackiness" was turned up to eleven.
I remember Battle Droids being scary in ep1, they fell flat and and more later..


Same thing has happened to Stormtroopers unfortunately. And rather than just accept that the baddies have to be jobbers sometimes in a kids cartoon, the noodlebrains in charge of Disneycanon chose to assert that the Empire phased out basically all its military forces except Stormtroopers and the Navy and Stormtroopers took on the "dregs and conscripts" recruitment policy of the old Army Infantry, and now we get to enjoy whole scenes in live action shows taking the piss out of them for having garbage aim.

I sure can't wait to see Taika Waititi's film...


EDIT: The Phase 2 cold assault/hostile environment armour actually has quite a few differences from the later Stormtrooper version.


The level of resource expenditure necessary to keep up the appearance of an unstoppable empire of unfathomable peerless might and perfect, ordered discipline essentially means that most historical military forces that tried to model themselves as that ended up being paper tigers that could, essentially, be defeated by enemies expending minute fractions of the amount of resources it took to keep up the ideological front.

if the historical inspiration for the empire was (obviously) germany in WW2 and at least one historical inspiration for the rebellion was the vietcong, stormtroopers being basically totally inept makes perfect sense. All these big hyperexpansionist empires basically burn through their real scary elite troops in a matter of a couple years, generally the early part of the military campaign when they garner the reputation for being unstoppable, and then they end up settling for anyone they can conscript to do what amounts to larping as the previous scary elite troopers while the bulk of the resources of said empire goes towards the creation of impressive looking but increasingly impractical propaganda weaponry.

By the New Hope, the empire we're seeing has reached the equivalent point of the V-2 rocket program and the King Tiger tanks in WW2. If anything, the fact that the stormtroopers in the OT all appear to be adult men of standard military age and the fact that the planet destroying laser weapon actually functions accurately is the most unrealistic element - but I suppose it wouldn't have been nearly as exciting to watch Han and Luke fighting old men and 15 year olds or to see the Rebellion slowly cause the empire to run out of resources by flying one single one-man space fighter at the Death Star and making it fire off the horribly inaccurate death laser that costs one quadrillion spacebucks per shot.


While the inspirations behind the GCW factions might have firm roots in WW2 and Vietnam, you can't just map them directly on to that conflict. There's no reason that the Empire should have "depleted" it's Stormtrooper Corps as elite forces in the period prior to the original trilogy, since there was no all-encompassing conflict with an equivalent foe during that period; pre-ANH is not "early war WW2". After the Clone Wars, the Empire "used up" large numbers of the remaining clone troopers as the first generation of Stormtroopers breaking the back of Separatist holdhouts and capturing territory in the outer rim, while also replacing the clones with freshly trained, highly indoctrinated non-clones. Most of the conflicts in the period between the Clone Wars and the GCW were either brushfire conflicts with minimal resource investment(occupation of Ryloth for example), or invasions to conquer new territory from opponents who were usually hopelessly outmatched by the Empire's vast warmachine. In fact, the pre-ANH Empire was the perfect breeding ground for maintaining a corps of elite shock troops, since there was plenty of fighting going on to give them actual practical combat experience, but none of it was ever in danger of depleting Imperial forces faster than they could recruit and train replacements. It was only when the Rebellion coalesced into a single cohesive entity and began organised and coordinated resistance on a galactic scale that the Empire began to endure serious losses, heck Solo even shows us that while they did exist in nuCanon it was the Army Infantry who got thrown into the meatgrinder where that was required, with the STs held in reserve(in a rational world, to be used as the shocktroops they were supposed to be) and acting as enforcers to keep the conscripts in line. I could see the argument for low-quality Stormtroopers in a post-GCW era Imperial Remnant - indeed I'm sure I can recall reading in the EU about one Remnant just issuing all their conscripted Army units with ST armour, both because they had more materiel than they did men, and to make themselves look stronger than they actually were - but not during the GCW era based on the established facts of the setting outside of nuCanon fiat.

But in the end, that's the main point - nuCanon doesn't make any of the arguments you're making, it simply asserts that the Empire chose, willingly and willfully, to phase out the Army Infantry and only have Stormtroopers, and in the context of a space fantasy where the baddies are supposed to be intimidating enemies that your heroes must overcome, having the cool scary looking armoured dudes be bumbling conscripts is just dumb; by robbing the Empire of menace, they take away a lot of the meaning of the Rebellion's victory - huzzah, we effortlessly carved our way through hundreds of poor saps taken from their homes and told if they didn't fight us their families would suffer and they'd be executed, we're such heroes!


As for the slightly mysterious release - my money would be on the ISP as well, it seems like the most likely fit given it's coming opposite the Persuader and it could provide a slightly more interesting "mirror" than usual, since the ISP is fast and maneuverable, while the Persuader's big weakness is that it's easy to flank - seppies get more firepower and less maneuverability, republic something nippier that can exploit that but less punch.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/15 02:56:45


Post by: hotsauceman1


ISP would make some sense, it seems this release is kinda based on Ep3 and the wookie battle, atleast for the GAR and the swamp speeder was a big part of that.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/17 15:19:53


Post by: Red Viper


Definitely the Infantry Support Platform

Can't wait to see Spider Droids, Magna Guard, and Yoda.

Especially Yoda.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/17 15:30:28


Post by: Longstrider


 Yodhrin wrote:


The level of resource expenditure necessary to keep up the appearance of an unstoppable empire of unfathomable peerless might and perfect, ordered discipline essentially means that most historical military forces that tried to model themselves as that ended up being paper tigers that could, essentially, be defeated by enemies expending minute fractions of the amount of resources it took to keep up the ideological front.

if the historical inspiration for the empire was (obviously) germany in WW2 and at least one historical inspiration for the rebellion was the vietcong, stormtroopers being basically totally inept makes perfect sense. All these big hyperexpansionist empires basically burn through their real scary elite troops in a matter of a couple years, generally the early part of the military campaign when they garner the reputation for being unstoppable, and then they end up settling for anyone they can conscript to do what amounts to larping as the previous scary elite troopers while the bulk of the resources of said empire goes towards the creation of impressive looking but increasingly impractical propaganda weaponry.

By the New Hope, the empire we're seeing has reached the equivalent point of the V-2 rocket program and the King Tiger tanks in WW2. If anything, the fact that the stormtroopers in the OT all appear to be adult men of standard military age and the fact that the planet destroying laser weapon actually functions accurately is the most unrealistic element - but I suppose it wouldn't have been nearly as exciting to watch Han and Luke fighting old men and 15 year olds or to see the Rebellion slowly cause the empire to run out of resources by flying one single one-man space fighter at the Death Star and making it fire off the horribly inaccurate death laser that costs one quadrillion spacebucks per shot.


While the inspirations behind the GCW factions might have firm roots in WW2 and Vietnam, you can't just map them directly on to that conflict. There's no reason that the Empire should have "depleted" it's Stormtrooper Corps as elite forces in the period prior to the original trilogy, since there was no all-encompassing conflict with an equivalent foe during that period; pre-ANH is not "early war WW2". After the Clone Wars, the Empire "used up" large numbers of the remaining clone troopers as the first generation of Stormtroopers breaking the back of Separatist holdhouts and capturing territory in the outer rim, while also replacing the clones with freshly trained, highly indoctrinated non-clones. Most of the conflicts in the period between the Clone Wars and the GCW were either brushfire conflicts with minimal resource investment(occupation of Ryloth for example), or invasions to conquer new territory from opponents who were usually hopelessly outmatched by the Empire's vast warmachine. In fact, the pre-ANH Empire was the perfect breeding ground for maintaining a corps of elite shock troops, since there was plenty of fighting going on to give them actual practical combat experience, but none of it was ever in danger of depleting Imperial forces faster than they could recruit and train replacements. It was only when the Rebellion coalesced into a single cohesive entity and began organised and coordinated resistance on a galactic scale that the Empire began to endure serious losses, heck Solo even shows us that while they did exist in nuCanon it was the Army Infantry who got thrown into the meatgrinder where that was required, with the STs held in reserve(in a rational world, to be used as the shocktroops they were supposed to be) and acting as enforcers to keep the conscripts in line. I could see the argument for low-quality Stormtroopers in a post-GCW era Imperial Remnant - indeed I'm sure I can recall reading in the EU about one Remnant just issuing all their conscripted Army units with ST armour, both because they had more materiel than they did men, and to make themselves look stronger than they actually were - but not during the GCW era based on the established facts of the setting outside of nuCanon fiat.

But in the end, that's the main point - nuCanon doesn't make any of the arguments you're making, it simply asserts that the Empire chose, willingly and willfully, to phase out the Army Infantry and only have Stormtroopers, and in the context of a space fantasy where the baddies are supposed to be intimidating enemies that your heroes must overcome, having the cool scary looking armoured dudes be bumbling conscripts is just dumb; by robbing the Empire of menace, they take away a lot of the meaning of the Rebellion's victory - huzzah, we effortlessly carved our way through hundreds of poor saps taken from their homes and told if they didn't fight us their families would suffer and they'd be executed, we're such heroes!


As for the slightly mysterious release - my money would be on the ISP as well, it seems like the most likely fit given it's coming opposite the Persuader and it could provide a slightly more interesting "mirror" than usual, since the ISP is fast and maneuverable, while the Persuader's big weakness is that it's easy to flank - seppies get more firepower and less maneuverability, republic something nippier that can exploit that but less punch.


That seems to have been the case with old canon too, from the original movie onwards - going from the film alone, there's no indication that stormtroopers are anything other than line infantry of the Empire, and they're only "effective" when they shoot up a bunch of farmers.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/17 21:24:46


Post by: Yodhrin


Longstrider wrote:
-space snip-
That seems to have been the case with old canon too, from the original movie onwards - going from the film alone, there's no indication that stormtroopers are anything other than line infantry of the Empire, and they're only "effective" when they shoot up a bunch of farmers.


It's correct to say that in the relevant old canon - all three movies of it - only Stormtroopers appeared on-screen. However, that doesn't contradict the EU-established characterisation of the Imperial military that was most Star Wars fans' default for 20 years or so prior to the Disney acquisition. Firstly, because of the context of their appearances in the films: during an operation led by Vader on Tatooine, on the Death Star a top-secret military installation, during the Battle of Hoth again led by Vader and a major offensive, on Bespin once more led by Vader in pursuit of Rebel leadership and a Jedi, and on Endor as part of a trap to end the Rebellion entirely under the command of the Emperor himself.

Those all sound to me like exactly the kind of important events and locations where you'd deploy your best available forces.

As for their efficacy, I recommend the work of the vaguely-sane alternative to Saxon, ECHenry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2TA9coGLzM

But to summarise for people who don't care to watch: they devastate the Rebel defenders - ostensibly a dedicated bodyguard unit - of Leia's ship at a level of accuracy and a casualty ratio that would put any military unit IRL to shame, their behaviour on the Death Star actually demonstrates their competence since by the time the heroes - plot armour and all - come into direct and open conflict with Stormtroopers(as opposed to Naval Security goons and a brief ambush), those troopers would necessarily be operating under Vader & Tarkin's orders to allow the Rebels' escape as part of the plot to track the Falcon back to the real Rebel base; in other words, they had to attack the Rebels with sufficient vigor to be believable while not actually killing them or causing any serious injuries, and without preventing them from reaching the hangar again without giving themselves away. Sounds fairly accurate to me. On Hoth we don't actually see the conflict between Blizzard Force's ground troops and the Rebels, but there's no implication it took them an inordinate amount of time to go from someone radioing that Imperial troops had entered the base, to being in the main hangar bay setting up heavy guns to attack the Falcon. On Endor they initially get dunked on by the Ewoks and Rebels, but for all everyone has a good laugh at the idea of teddybears beating the Empire's best, that fight turns around pretty quickly after the initial "Oh s**t cannibal teddies!" moment and the seemingly basic, regular Trooper who pops Leia didn't seem to have any trouble pulling off an aimed shot. Bespin is the only instance where they don't perform particularly well, and that's a couple of brief corner skirmishes against the Heroes who have to escape for plot reasons, so I'm not inclined to count it against them too much.

"Stormtroopers can't aim" is and always has been a meme, driven initially by people who didn't quite grasp the implications of Vader & Tarkin's little back & forth after the Falcon leaves the Death Star, and for a while now just by self-justification - people think it, so it must be true.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/17 21:35:25


Post by: ingtaer


Can you take that to a thread in Geek Media please, it is not Legion related (Storm Troopers have precise after all) and certainly not News nor Rumours.


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New A-A5 info, if anyone can translate the German that would be great! What we can note easily is that the A-A5 has shields and comes with a field commander option;



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/17 23:49:37


Post by: Pael


The A-A5 baffles me. Why are they releasing a transport for a game that absolutely does not need or even have a place for it?

Legion is literally a gunline game and vehicles end up being turrets more than anything else, why a transport vehicle that looks like a minivan?

I am a huge legion fan but as I said this baffles me.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 00:01:13


Post by: angel of death 007


Anyone know that since Atomic Mass is doing the new Legion miniatures if they are still going to cost the same because Crisis protocol is very pricey.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 00:06:01


Post by: ingtaer


So far nothing has changed on the pricing front.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 00:09:25


Post by: angel of death 007


 ingtaer wrote:
So far nothing has changed on the pricing front.


Thank god, That was the only real concern I had as Crisis Protocol miniatures are top notch. I just didn't want Legion to turn into GW pricing.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 00:13:38


Post by: ingtaer


It is early days yet so how long this will last is anyone's guess but the announced waves for both Legion and X-Wing all retain the pre AMG pricing structure. It will not be until next year that things start to get branded AMG rather than FFG and who knows if the pricing will change then (bar of course the expected rise due to inflation etc.). Fingers crossed that it will still be reasonable enough.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 05:07:49


Post by: hotsauceman1


angel of death 007 wrote:
Anyone know that since Atomic Mass is doing the new Legion miniatures if they are still going to cost the same because Crisis protocol is very pricey.

Not defending their pricing cause it can get bad.
But they are priced because a player will only ever need one.
Star wars will inherently be less like that.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 11:54:34


Post by: Geifer


Not knocking it, but it needs a pair of wings for that Spaceballs vibe.

 ingtaer wrote:
New A-A5 info, if anyone can translate the German that would be great! What we can note easily is that the A-A5 has shields and comes with a field commander option;


The special rules explained on the instruction sheet are (not sure about the correct rules terms - I haven't looked at the rules in either language in over a year for the most part):

Embark/disembark
Field commander
Shield token
Closed Transport 1
As well as a resurrection ability I've never seen before that adds a model to a unit that lost a model on the same turn, and the restored model starts with wound tokens equal to its health minus one - so effectively with one wound left.

Box contents (same disclaimer as above):

The model itself
A 175mm x 100mm base
1 dodge token
1 command token
1 ready token
1 commander token
3 vehicle damage tokens
4 shield tokens
3 wound tokens
1 unit card

16 upgrade cards:

1x quad laser
2x Gonk droid
1x targeter thingy
2x Outer Rim pilot
2x unstable R5 Astromech
1x comms
1x heavy laser
1x physician
1x reckless driver
1x Shriv Suurgav
2x ace pilot
1x unconventional tactician


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 13:44:19


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Oh new space box, if the price is sane I may need to get some.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/18 15:37:20


Post by: LunarSol


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
angel of death 007 wrote:
Anyone know that since Atomic Mass is doing the new Legion miniatures if they are still going to cost the same because Crisis protocol is very pricey.

Not defending their pricing cause it can get bad.
But they are priced because a player will only ever need one.
Star wars will inherently be less like that.


I suspect Asmodee has far more to say about the pricing of both games than AMG or FFG ever have.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/02/19 23:28:07


Post by: hotsauceman1


Ok
The Specialists have been deplayed in america until march.
At this point i think its a matter of "it will get here when it gets here"


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/11 12:59:24


Post by: ingtaer


Super Tactical droid confirmed on the painting stream;


Guess we are going to get the full reveals on the 20th when they have announced a "future of Legion" stream.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/11 20:34:16


Post by: Stormonu


Hopefully the A5 Speeder truck is a precursor to the Imp transport. Been waiting for it since Rebels, Mandalorian made it a must (especially the upgunned version).


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 07:49:02


Post by: ImAGeek






Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 13:52:21


Post by: hotsauceman1


Apparently both losses are built with one kit and the walking version has a cane too.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 15:29:37


Post by: ImAGeek


Yeah you can see the cane in the second image.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 15:44:15


Post by: hotsauceman1


Yup, i didnt see it lol


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 18:03:46


Post by: ImAGeek


New Wookie



Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 19:21:29


Post by: Geifer


Yoda looks nice as far as wrinkled green fortune cookies go.

Cool Wookiee, too.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 20:43:08


Post by: Kanluwen


Where the heck are these teases coming from?!

Also: I need that speeder truck. Need.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 20:48:59


Post by: hotsauceman1


AMG is doing a Ministravaganza all weekend. tonight big releases are expected to be teased for SWL


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/20 22:01:09


Post by: ingtaer


Midnight GMT, 1700 PT I think it is,
www.twitch.tv/atomicmassgames


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/21 01:24:59


Post by: hotsauceman1


So, something interesting, they are going to be releaeing themed waves.
The first one will be Kashyyk Focus


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/21 03:33:55


Post by: rybackstun


Shriv gets a card with the Truck!

Also a LAAT Transport (not the big gunship that everyone loves) for Pub and Imp.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/21 14:25:07


Post by: ingtaer


Disappointed that they didn't show more and that their streaming is so poor, why they left that to the late night for a huge portion of their customers is a mystery.
Apologies for the terrible photos, could not be bothered chasing down better ones.
Truck rules (only 75pts!);





Was announced on stream that the Wookies would have an upgraded card, melee and ranged units and that they are dual GAR/Reb faction;


Super Tactical is going to come with unit cards for multiple variants;


These will have Guardian but only for characters (maybe Operatives and Commander?)


Other things of note, they are looking at leaning heavily into the thematic stuff and it will dictating both release waves and OP. Events mentioned are Vader Down, Hoth and Endor. They are looking at exploring narrative play more and expect to be releasing new ways to play the game (like their event that ended yesterday).
Will see if I can find the rest of the spoiled card images.


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Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/21 17:25:08


Post by: Kanluwen


I'd hoped that the LAAT/LE would be dual faction and it is!

Good to hear about the themed releases. Hoth would be a good spot to introduce some more 'environmental variants' of some stuff. I remember having a cross-sections book as a kid that showed AT-ATs having a garage for speeder bikes in them and Scout Troopers wearing heated environmental suits.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/03/25 22:49:03


Post by: Kanluwen



LAAT/le article up.

Also, truck article up too!

The LAAT/le looks like a fun modeling project.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/01 17:27:09


Post by: ingtaer


Seems like we are a long way behind again;







My goodness does Yoda look broken, same points as Dooku or Palp and a ton better.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/01 17:47:27


Post by: LunarSol


I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 15:08:37


Post by: Geifer


Yay, news? Now to see how the associated models look.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 15:22:34


Post by: ImAGeek


 Geifer wrote:
Yay, news? Now to see how the associated models look.
















Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 15:28:47


Post by: Geifer


Oh, cool. Thanks!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 16:00:47


Post by: ImAGeek


No worries. I wasn’t sure on the Wookiees in bare plastic but I think they look a lot better painted.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 16:32:57


Post by: Geifer


Whereas I'm so used to seeing unpainted Wookiees that the sight of painted ones is... odd.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 16:35:20


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Those Wookies look like they would take Contrast and drybrushing well.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 17:03:45


Post by: mokoshkana


 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.
Please expand on this line of thinking. I refused to start Legion until the clone wars era released as I thought playing Empire vs Rebels would be incredibly boring after a few games, and Clone Wars meant more lightsabers (which is one of my favorite parts of Star Wars). There are now four distinct armies instead of two. If you are complaining about CW era stuff getting all of the releases, then please release it had to be that way in order to catch those two factions up to the originals.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 17:41:14


Post by: ImAGeek


 mokoshkana wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.
Please expand on this line of thinking. I refused to start Legion until the clone wars era released as I thought playing Empire vs Rebels would be incredibly boring after a few games, and Clone Wars meant more lightsabers (which is one of my favorite parts of Star Wars). There are now four distinct armies instead of two. If you are complaining about CW era stuff getting all of the releases, then please release it had to be that way in order to catch those two factions up to the originals.


I think the complaint is that the Clone Wars armies are better than the Civil War era armies. I’m not sure how true that is, but the vibe I’ve got in the past is that the Galactic Republic in particular was a fair amount stronger than the Rebs/Empire.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 18:05:22


Post by: mokoshkana


 ImAGeek wrote:
 mokoshkana wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.
Please expand on this line of thinking. I refused to start Legion until the clone wars era released as I thought playing Empire vs Rebels would be incredibly boring after a few games, and Clone Wars meant more lightsabers (which is one of my favorite parts of Star Wars). There are now four distinct armies instead of two. If you are complaining about CW era stuff getting all of the releases, then please release it had to be that way in order to catch those two factions up to the originals.


I think the complaint is that the Clone Wars armies are better than the Civil War era armies. I’m not sure how true that is, but the vibe I’ve got in the past is that the Galactic Republic in particular was a fair amount stronger than the Rebs/Empire.
Depends on the when. When Tauntauns came out, they were all the rage and disgustingly good. They got nerfed. Then GAR had the clone ball, which allowed standby token sharing to give them a huge advantage. That got nerfed. Air Speeders were maligned for a long time, and then they got buffed. Now they are pretty tasty.

It is a miniatures war game. There will always be better choices within the game. The balance in Legion is still loads better compared to any game I have ever played.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/02 19:22:53


Post by: LunarSol


I don't disagree; its probably more just that in a game full of iconic characters, it stands out more or at the very least, has a greater impact on how I feel about the game.

No complaints about the release schedule. The Rebellion era armies are already pretty well fleshed out and don't really need anything. I'd much rather see what's already out get refined to see more table time.

I've just never felt good about the state of the meta in Legion. Ever since the release of sniper teams, its felt gamey to me; more a game of exploiting mechanics than I'd like. I love the activation system in theory, but in practice it just pushes these homogenous teams to remove the random element of activations and heavily rewarded games of "pass" that a lot of other games I play have spent a lot of time trying to iron out. Jedi are frustrating to play and demand these weird games of intentionally not killing things because they are so easy to shoot to death. The new armies kind of ignoring the suppression mechanics was just the thing that really soured the feel of the game for me.

I don't mean to come off that ranty and down on the game. I really like it, but I want to LOVE it. It's just whenever I take armies of things that are cool and iconic, they constantly disappoint me on the table, and when I focus on more competitive armies, I feel like winning is more about gaming the activation system than interacting with my opponent. I just never leave feeling like the game gave me the experience I was looking for, and that leaves me just kind of perpetually frustrated with it.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/30 19:26:07


Post by: ingtaer







From AMG twitter and the release has been pushed back untill the 1st of October.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/30 20:02:58


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


More time to save up. I hate when they sometimes drop a mountain of new stuff within a two month window, but then go six months with nothing.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/31 01:09:02


Post by: Rygnan


This is coming from the lens of someone very bitter at AMG right now, but I still doubt most of the world will get those this year. Seeing as most of Australia hasn't gotten anything since the February releases delivered, and a lot of Europe can't seem to keep anything in stock either, it's probably going to become an even more exclusive club of who can actually get stock and who can't (and the LGS suffers when everyone who actually wants something has to go to Amazon)

It also got announced that the 2nd creator of the game has been unceremoniously fired by AMG as well, and of the FFG rules team exactly 0 people remain. The game is definitely going to be interesting to see after this wave of releases, because it's going to have been designed by a completely new group of people


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/31 01:19:16


Post by: frankelee


 LunarSol wrote:
I'm hoping once AMG starts designing the game we'll see a steadier hand. FFG's tendency to completely invalidate things with newer releases put me off Legion a lot quicker than I expected. I like the core system, but the prequel armies really just came in as wholesale replacements.


It always felt like FFG got off on the wrong foot with this game, and were forever chasing the sales numbers management originally expected. The near day-one Operative patch, the tentative Sabine Wren commander pack, and then the quick move to the Prequel era all suggested underlying attempts at ongoing course correction. I can't imagine there was ever a point where the designers felt like it was safe putting out a new box set that wasn't awesome, because they needed those sales, and when the new armies came out, those same rules applied.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/31 10:38:05


Post by: kodos


https://twitter.com/lukeweddy/status/1421199267457241088?s=21

Hello, friends, fans, and followers. As of this Wednesday I’m no longer with Atomic Mass Games, and am no longer working on Star Wars Legion, X-wing, or Armada. This was, unfortunately, not a decision that I made.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/31 11:40:59


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


one thing I wonder is if AMG got enough extra revenue to go with all the extra work & responsibility?

It's all very well asmodee saying legion etc has been moved from FFG, but did all the money come with is or did some end in Admodee's pockets


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/31 17:42:13


Post by: buckero0


This game is fun. I don't feel like one faction is that much better than another.
I wouldn't ever want someone fired. But the original crew seemed to be squandering opportunity after opportunity. Not just legion but x-wing and armada as well. The Mandolorian has been out over 2 years and nothing yet Still for example. The FFG team seemed to just on the SW IP and do nothing. So im not surprised they have been let go


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/07/31 20:19:02


Post by: Gimgamgoo


buckero0 wrote:
This game is fun. I don't feel like one faction is that much better than another.
I wouldn't ever want someone fired. But the original crew seemed to be squandering opportunity after opportunity. Not just legion but x-wing and armada as well. The Mandolorian has been out over 2 years and nothing yet Still for example. The FFG team seemed to just on the SW IP and do nothing. So im not surprised they have been let go

This may have nothing to do with the game designers at all. It may be an issue with which parts of the SW universe/films etc can be used by FFG.
It also takes quite a while for ideas and sculpts made by designers to pass inspection by Disney/Lucasfilm/Whoever as well.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 02:18:46


Post by: Rygnan


They also announced a Mandalorian expansion for the game early last year, so they're not really sitting on it that much. It's also not a reason to fire someone, more the higher-ups would say "do this" if they wanted it to be done (but again, they did and it's waiting in the wings)


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 12:28:32


Post by: kirotheavenger


This was all over the Facebook group, also resulted in a split of the admins and them all leaving the page. Yikes.
Rumours are he was fired over a disagreement with the direction he wanted the game to go.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 13:36:34


Post by: warboss


What's the difference between these Legion rookies and the ones from two years ago? Are they a different weapons load out of completely different stats/rules? From the icons, it seems like this is a dual era release whereas the previous ones were rebellion only since that was the only era around at the time.

Edit: Found an AMG video that answers the questions. I didn't realize they had sprue minis. I could have sworn that they were loose parts in baggies before but admittedly that was long ago.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 17:01:54


Post by: Geifer


They started releasing plastic models on sprues with the Clone Wars starter box. Separatists got a fair bit right from the start whereas Republic took a little while to get the good stuff, starting with Phase II Clones. Empire and Rebels have since also gotten a few kits like this.

Prior to this move to plastic, most models with the exception of larger vehicles were PVC, and both were, as you say, supplied as loose bits in bags.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 17:14:11


Post by: warboss


Thanks. I like the wookie out and may pick up a box just to make a pair of RPG characters (one scifi, one fantasy... Both wookies).


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 17:18:07


Post by: Geifer


Yeah, they're cool. It'll be interesting to see them next to my PVC ones. I like this new plastic paradise we live in.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 17:25:28


Post by: warboss


 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, they're cool. It'll be interesting to see them next to my PVC ones. I like this new plastic paradise we live in.


This video (which may have been linked already months ago) shows FWIW a conversion using both.




Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/01 17:30:31


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Rygnan wrote:
This is coming from the lens of someone very bitter at AMG right now, but I still doubt most of the world will get those this year. Seeing as most of Australia hasn't gotten anything since the February releases delivered, and a lot of Europe can't seem to keep anything in stock either, it's probably going to become an even more exclusive club of who can actually get stock and who can't (and the LGS suffers when everyone who actually wants something has to go to Amazon)

It also got announced that the 2nd creator of the game has been unceremoniously fired by AMG as well, and of the FFG rules team exactly 0 people remain. The game is definitely going to be interesting to see after this wave of releases, because it's going to have been designed by a completely new group of people

It's not like the shipping problems are their fault.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 02:00:04


Post by: Rygnan


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Rygnan wrote:
This is coming from the lens of someone very bitter at AMG right now, but I still doubt most of the world will get those this year. Seeing as most of Australia hasn't gotten anything since the February releases delivered, and a lot of Europe can't seem to keep anything in stock either, it's probably going to become an even more exclusive club of who can actually get stock and who can't (and the LGS suffers when everyone who actually wants something has to go to Amazon)

It also got announced that the 2nd creator of the game has been unceremoniously fired by AMG as well, and of the FFG rules team exactly 0 people remain. The game is definitely going to be interesting to see after this wave of releases, because it's going to have been designed by a completely new group of people

It's not like the shipping problems are their fault.


They've existed since 1st edition X-Wing though, Covid is just a very convenient excuse they're using to mask the fact they've never been good at keeping things in stock. They're not entirely at fault, but it is an issue they've had for the better part of a decade and seemingly haven't ever done anything to fix. For a company as huge as Asmodee it's really quite telling I think


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 02:07:35


Post by: hotsauceman1


I find that quite interesting because we have never had problems getting anything where i am.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 06:47:34


Post by: kodos


as far as I know (from local stores), the usual problem is that they have a production run for all languages, and not doing another until the main version is gone

so if all German/French/Italien boxes are gone but still enough Englisch ones on the shelf, they won't make new ones

also re-distribution does not happen, if there are Enlgish version sitting in the shelf in the US but are sold out in Germany the stores won't get a re-stock until the next production run (so it does not matter which language you use, if they are gone they are gone)


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 07:00:26


Post by: Albertorius


 kodos wrote:
as far as I know (from local stores), the usual problem is that they have a production run for all languages, and not doing another until the main version is gone

so if all German/French/Italien boxes are gone but still enough Englisch ones on the shelf, they won't make new ones

also re-distribution does not happen, if there are English version sitting in the shelf in the US but are sold out in Germany the stores won't get a re-stock until the next production run (so it does not matter which language you use, if they are gone they are gone)


This is mostly correct (sometimes they manage to approve additional runs without the english one, but only if they can fill up the factory's production run with the languages being done), and it's a real PITA.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 13:21:07


Post by: kodos


this is the big downside with having the rules in the model boxes instead of books or card packs

and it is also difficult to get estimate a demand for the models as because they are not available people don't try to get into the game, but because not many are playing, the amount of boxes is low

at least in the beginning it would be easier to make all englisch boxes and sell translation packs with the cards in different languages


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 14:24:47


Post by: Quasistellar


They've existed since 1st edition X-Wing though, Covid is just a very convenient excuse they're using to mask the fact they've never been good at keeping things in stock. They're not entirely at fault, but it is an issue they've had for the better part of a decade and seemingly haven't ever done anything to fix. For a company as huge as Asmodee it's really quite telling I think


X-Wing availability problems were a thing from the very beginning, but it was a different scenario (from the perspective of FFG).

Hobby board games (of which FFG considered X-Wing at the time!) are produced in finite print runs. If they sell well enough, they do another print run. At the time, FFG was contracting out the factory time for producing X-Wing miniatures (IDK how AMG does it now). Expansions for hobby board games are ALWAYS produced at a lower quantity as well. Again, let me re-emphasize: FFG considered X-Wing a hobby board game, NOT a tabletop wargame like 40k. Maybe the best comparison is to their living card games -- their expansion model certainly followed that pretty closely.

FFG did not anticipate the success of X-Wing, nor did they realize the type of customer they'd gained. This resulted in a huge lag in availability for the first few expansions for the game--Y-wings and another ship (I forget which maybe TIE x1) were almost impossible to obtain for about a year.

Just thought some of you might be interested in some of the background reasons for some of these games that were more successfull than anticipated.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/08/02 17:15:28


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I find that quite interesting because we have never had problems getting anything where i am.


Respectfully, your area may be an exception to the rule. I have helped organize and manage communities in several regions of the US and Asmodee distributed games are among the worst supply-chain constrained products I have ever seen. All the Star Wars systems, A Song of Ice and Fire and to a much lesser degree Crisis Protocol have all had community crippling issues bound to distribution at various points. The company also has a bank of go-to lies that are virtually inside jokes at this point. The number of times a "boat sank" during shipping has become comical.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/10 05:31:53


Post by: ImAGeek


The Shadow Collective from the Clone Wars coming as a new faction:




Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/10 05:52:33


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Happily surprised with this reveal. I was expecting AMG to have nothing lined up after this upcoming release. Good to see the game is getting proper support and not just the main factions.

To anyone reading this who hasn't played, this game is amazing and you should give it a try!


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/11 22:41:28


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Some shadow collective reveals and looks like AMG are expanding into the Mandalorian/New Republic era as well! Pray they go no further lmao. Sorry for itty bitty photos.

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Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/12 19:13:47


Post by: NH Gunsmith


They have also confirmed that Darth Vader is getting huge buffs with a Command Slot, and Compel: Corps.

Also confirmed Ahsoka is coming, and updated card packs for the faction with all the added errata and keywords.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh. Points adjustments at the end of this month/early next month too.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/12 20:57:41


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Darth Vader was in need of a few buffs for sure. Maybe even master of the force 2?


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 00:57:35


Post by: NH Gunsmith


 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Darth Vader was in need of a few buffs for sure. Maybe even master of the force 2?


Did you see the changes to Darkness Descends and Implacable? They both have a permanent effect on Vader. Implacable gives him a Dodge every Command Phase for the rest of the game after it is played, and Darkness Descends has an alternate way to be played. If Vader doesn't reveal it to Infiltrate... he gets 2 Surge tokens every round.

At this point with Burst Of Speed... I think that Master Of The Force 2 would be wasted when running Vader with Saber Throw, Force Choke, and Burst of Speed. Vader with free Surges and Dodges is terrifying.

The Maul Mandos and that Scum wave I guess are the last of the FFG designed stuff, so everything after that will be AMG designed. Will be neat to see where the game goes from here.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 09:00:00


Post by: Geifer


Cool. I've been hoping for commitment to a scum faction. Pikes look cool, too. This is nice to see.

What's not so nice to see? Am I spotting tactical rocks there? I hope that particular nonsense doesn't take over quickly, although in the end it'll be inevitable.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Also confirmed Ahsoka is coming...


It is? Yay! Finally!

I hope the model looks cool.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 14:24:13


Post by: LunarSol


 NH Gunsmith wrote:
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Darth Vader was in need of a few buffs for sure. Maybe even master of the force 2?


Did you see the changes to Darkness Descends and Implacable? They both have a permanent effect on Vader. Implacable gives him a Dodge every Command Phase for the rest of the game after it is played, and Darkness Descends has an alternate way to be played. If Vader doesn't reveal it to Infiltrate... he gets 2 Surge tokens every round.

At this point with Burst Of Speed... I think that Master Of The Force 2 would be wasted when running Vader with Saber Throw, Force Choke, and Burst of Speed. Vader with free Surges and Dodges is terrifying.

The Maul Mandos and that Scum wave I guess are the last of the FFG designed stuff, so everything after that will be AMG designed. Will be neat to see where the game goes from here.


Vader needs to take Force Push over Saber Throw sadly. Force Push is just too important to making Jedi work by abusing the engagement rules.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 14:59:15


Post by: Stormonu


I hope they do not make characters too attractive, it's one thing that's utterly turned me off in the likes of 40K. They should be worth the points, but I dislike one-man armies.

I don't want the game to become a battle of characters with a bunch of mooks in the background, I prefer my games to be driven by the actual forces and leave the heroes for a different sort of game, like Imperial Assault.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 17:45:48


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Geifer wrote:
Cool. I've been hoping for commitment to a scum faction. Pikes look cool, too. This is nice to see.

What's not so nice to see? Am I spotting tactical rocks there? I hope that particular nonsense doesn't take over quickly, although in the end it'll be inevitable.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Also confirmed Ahsoka is coming...


It is? Yay! Finally!

I hope the model looks cool.

Well they said she is further down the pipeline than others.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 21:55:12


Post by: NH Gunsmith


 LunarSol wrote:
 NH Gunsmith wrote:
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Darth Vader was in need of a few buffs for sure. Maybe even master of the force 2?


Did you see the changes to Darkness Descends and Implacable? They both have a permanent effect on Vader. Implacable gives him a Dodge every Command Phase for the rest of the game after it is played, and Darkness Descends has an alternate way to be played. If Vader doesn't reveal it to Infiltrate... he gets 2 Surge tokens every round.

At this point with Burst Of Speed... I think that Master Of The Force 2 would be wasted when running Vader with Saber Throw, Force Choke, and Burst of Speed. Vader with free Surges and Dodges is terrifying.

The Maul Mandos and that Scum wave I guess are the last of the FFG designed stuff, so everything after that will be AMG designed. Will be neat to see where the game goes from here.


Vader needs to take Force Push over Saber Throw sadly. Force Push is just too important to making Jedi work by abusing the engagement rules.


You are 100% correct. I really have no idea why I was thinking of Saber Throw... zero reason to ever run that on infiltrating Commander slot Vader since he will in melee turn 1 or 2.

Could see maybe running Saber Throw over Force Choke on Commander Vader if you are going to play Darkness Descends as it's new alternate way to be played... but yeah, I agree with you on Force Push.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 22:51:59


Post by: privateer4hire


What are the creatures in the top picture called?


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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Some shadow collective reveals and looks like AMG are expanding into the Mandalorian/New Republic era as well! Pray they go no further lmao. Sorry for itty bitty photos.


This top picture please


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 23:15:34


Post by: ZebioLizard2


 privateer4hire wrote:
What are the creatures in the top picture called?


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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Some shadow collective reveals and looks like AMG are expanding into the Mandalorian/New Republic era as well! Pray they go no further lmao. Sorry for itty bitty photos.


This top picture please
The Species is called Pyke https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Pyke


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/13 23:17:44


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


 NH Gunsmith wrote:
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Darth Vader was in need of a few buffs for sure. Maybe even master of the force 2?


Did you see the changes to Darkness Descends and Implacable? They both have a permanent effect on Vader. Implacable gives him a Dodge every Command Phase for the rest of the game after it is played, and Darkness Descends has an alternate way to be played. If Vader doesn't reveal it to Infiltrate... he gets 2 Surge tokens every round.

At this point with Burst Of Speed... I think that Master Of The Force 2 would be wasted when running Vader with Saber Throw, Force Choke, and Burst of Speed. Vader with free Surges and Dodges is terrifying.

The Maul Mandos and that Scum wave I guess are the last of the FFG designed stuff, so everything after that will be AMG designed. Will be neat to see where the game goes from here.



Wow, I did not see these changes. Yeah motf 2 is not needed with those abilities.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/14 01:22:17


Post by: NH Gunsmith


The fact that it is also confirmed that the Civil War era factions are getting an errata/adjustment to bring them more up to snuff really has rekindled the enjoyment I have been having with it.

As an Empire only player in a meta of CIS, Rebels, and some Clones... it has been a bit rough haha.

I have some reservations about the upcoming battle forces though, since I know of at least two attempts in fairly recent gaming history where a similar idea did not work out too well (40k 7th edition Formations and Warmachine theme forces)... and one of those attempts was helmed by the current lead developer at AMG (Will Pagani)... I am interested to see how they approach it this time.

The mercenaries and the keywords they gain when run out of their battle force seem neat, but I am really hoping battle forces doesn't become the default way to play like they have in Warmachine Mk. III.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2021/09/14 07:53:37


Post by: Geifer


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Also confirmed Ahsoka is coming...


It is? Yay! Finally!

I hope the model looks cool.

Well they said she is further down the pipeline than others.


It's not ideal to be sure, but I'm happy to have confirmation we're getting her at all. I'm used to waiting. They've been taking their sweet time so far. No reason to change a good tradition now.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I have some reservations about the upcoming battle forces though, since I know of at least two attempts in fairly recent gaming history where a similar idea did not work out too well (40k 7th edition Formations and Warmachine theme forces)... and one of those attempts was helmed by the current lead developer at AMG (Will Pagani)... I am interested to see how they approach it this time.

The mercenaries and the keywords they gain when run out of their battle force seem neat, but I am really hoping battle forces doesn't become the default way to play like they have in Warmachine Mk. III.


Yes, it definitely sounds like something to be wary of. Replacing a single force organization chart with a variety tailored to specific forces runs the risk of tailoring some so well to their respective forces' needs that they gain an undesired advantage. It's potentially hard to balance and offers a lot of potential to mess up. Plus, personally I like that the heavy Corps requirement helps make Legion armies look like actual armies. It would be a shame to see that go.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because they're not GW, but I also really hope that they don't go the 7th ed route and throw additional, free bonuses on top of ignoring the force organization chart. That was such an overtly bogus decision by GW that I like to think AMG wouldn't do that, if only by merit of not being GW, but I guess we can't rule it out until we see what AMG has actually planned.

But of course who cares about that? The game is already circling the drain now that we have Ewoks announced.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/03 23:57:52


Post by: warboss


So how long before we get Black Krrsantan? The FFG site seems pretty dead for news as is this thread. Is this a good resource for up to date news when it's available for the game? I only follow it peripherally for the figs so I'll admit that I might have missed out on a big shake up with FFG/Asmodee's corporate sale.

https://star-wars-legion.com/


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/04 00:08:27


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Nothing new that you missed. Last big reveal was in September or so and nothing is even on preorder from it. They did a balance patch in October. Thats pretty much it.

Check out Seb Miniatures for your wookie friend. He has an excellent sculpt.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/04 01:20:13


Post by: warboss


Thanks and I'll take a look. I'm familiar with Darkfire Designs for 3d models but not Seb.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/04 05:32:46


Post by: Midnightdeathblade


Seb makes some amazing kits, the more recent ones are better IMO than FFG kits.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/04 21:18:43


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


They may have to wait for Boba Fett to conclude to prevent spoilers.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/04 23:14:23


Post by: warboss


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They may have to wait for Boba Fett to conclude to prevent spoilers.


True. We wouldn't want them to show us Boba's mini actually doing something when he's a bit player in his own show after all...


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/05 09:43:09


Post by: Geifer


Not sure what's going on at AMG (they should really fix that, by the way), but with how there are Pykes in Book of Boba this would have been a good time to release the Shadow Collective wave for potential hype sales. May have even been the plan considering they have a new sculpt for Boba.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/02/05 17:54:21


Post by: NH Gunsmith


 Geifer wrote:
Not sure what's going on at AMG (they should really fix that, by the way), but with how there are Pykes in Book of Boba this would have been a good time to release the Shadow Collective wave for potential hype sales. May have even been the plan considering they have a new sculpt for Boba.


Shadow Collective was the last thing designed by the FFG crew I believe, so I can only imagine that much of that wave and the stuff after has been pushed back due to all the Star Wars minis games being moved from FFG to AMG, the sale of Asmodee, and Covid disrupting shipping.

We just got a pretty decent wave of releases with all the Kashyyk stuff.


Star Wars Legion News - Adepticon reveals. p.58. @ 2022/04/25 07:09:04


Post by: Geifer


In groundbreaking news AMG has discovered that their website can host Legion articles just as easily as Crisis Protocol articles and followed up on this revelation with a look at the upcoming Black Sun:

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-legion-transmissions

It's not quite as informative as FFG articles, but close enough I guess. At any rate it's information away from social media platforms, and that is a huge step forward. Now they only have to figure out how to not hide it in a submenu and we're good.