rybackstun wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
FFG had a very specific game design style. Trying to drop it on another studio without the personnel behind that style wasn't ever going to make fans of that style happy. Honestly with how far ahead hips production has to be, I'm not sure Asmodee even wanted AMG to do anything other than fake a smile and get the stuff in the pipeline out the door. Honestly they were already treating X-Wing and Armada like that when they were still under FFG.

I honestly wish they had given it to CMON. While they have their issues, they at least know how to run a full-bore wargame. All AMG had done was crisis protocol and it shows IMO.

I can't laugh any harder at this.

CMON knows how to run a full-bore wargame? That's news to anyone who actually plays one of their games.

At least they've got one, which is more than AMG's got. Like, going through their roster, FFG and CMON are the only ones who have any previous experince with running a wargame at all, even if you may dislike their handling of it. Everyone else is board games besides AMG who had crisis protocol which was a wargame even if it's small scope.

CMON isn't really doing wargames, their larger game is still more a boardgame as it is a wargame, which has it's advantages but doesn't mean there is any more experience in doing something like Legion over AMG with MCP.

In addition, their style of games and releases wouldn't have worked well with Legion either, and they would also have struggled going forward without having people from the old team

The main issue is if no one in the studio actually plays the game, and this can only be solved be a dedicated person handling it, no matter which company or studio is doing it

CMON had Dark Age and Wrath of Kings and they just flushed them for high revenue IP driven Crowd Funders.

I am somewhat looking forward to a refreshed Legion though. SP took off locally and I think it's not unreasonable some of these lads will be interested in giving Legion a go.

Have I read through this all correctly?
AMG are "X-wing v2"ing Star Wars Legion?

I don't play often, but I have a ton of models and all my cards in sleeves, organised, boxed etc.
X-wing v2 was a disaster where I play and killed the game and all enthusiasm for it totally.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Have I read through this all correctly?
AMG are "X-wing v2"ing Star Wars Legion?

I don't play often, but I have a ton of models and all my cards in sleeves, organised, boxed etc.
X-wing v2 was a disaster where I play and killed the game and all enthusiasm for it totally.

They are in the midst of a refresh of the game yes. The new ruleset came out digitally last year and there were adjustments to some unit cards (though a fair few of the physical ones were outdated at this point anyway). Main changes overall are to deployment, cover and the missions (and standard point size is now 1000). Core mechanics are otherwise broadly the same. Everything is getting re-printed in the new style, even if the actual rules haven't changed. Whether one would want to attribute the negative connotations of 'X-wing v2' as a comparison is probably down to personal taste. There is a lot of new stuff in the pipeline which is obviously a major distinction from X-Wing.

At this point give development back to FFG and let Wargames Atlantic print the plastic.

 legionaires wrote:
At this point give development back to FFG and let Wargames Atlantic print the plastic.

Very much agreed.

Republic Ahsoka Tano and the new Stormtroopers & Rebel Troopers are on their way in mid-May:

Good to have a release date for Ahsoka. Looking forward to it.

That mon calamari with normal human proportions and hands/arms is pretty lame.

Billicus wrote:
That mon calamari with normal human proportions and hands/arms is pretty lame.

You're right, they should have just stuck with all the normal human sculpts and not given any options for customization whatsoever. 🙄

 rybackstun wrote:

Billicus wrote:
That mon calamari with normal human proportions and hands/arms is pretty lame.

You're right, they should have just stuck with all the normal human sculpts and not given any options for customization whatsoever. 🙄

Yeah, let's not be disingeneous by assessing there's only two possible options there /s

Particularly since the existing Rebel Commandos kit has a Mon Cala sniper dude whose arms and hands are correct.

Look it's not AMG's fault Shatner got into the SW universe....

A lot of Legion news coming our of Adepticon:

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2025-roadmap-legion/

New customisable characters for each faction (both in rules and model terms).



Apparently these have a lot of variety and some pretty wild build options (spider legs for the Super Tactical Droids and something like a Naginata style lightsaber).

Full breakdown of the new starter sets:





Mixture of repackaged/re-tooled kits or painted versions of things shown before:











Hondo and Pirates plus a new Mercenary Tank:

No Gonk or mouse droid? I am disappoint. They're a must for any wargame.

 warboss wrote:
No Gonk or mouse droid? I am disappoint. They're a must for any wargame.

Bit surprised they didn't include something like them in the new objective set; AMG usually love putting Star Wars critters and droids in their terrain and the like.

Lot's of nice stuff. I didn't expect to see Hondo. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

The Empire starter set looks good. No frills, just new troopers and a Vader sculpt I like.

I hope the Clone Trooper marksmen box comes with Phase 1 helmets as an option - it is a bit weird seeing a whole squad rocking DC15As when they were only issued like that at the very beginning of the Clone Wars, with the DC15s carbine quickly replacing them as the standard infantry weapon and the DC15A being relegated to a 'special' weapon.

 Siygess wrote:
I hope the Clone Trooper marksmen box comes with Phase 1 helmets as an option - it is a bit weird seeing a whole squad rocking DC15As when they were only issued like that at the very beginning of the Clone Wars, with the DC15s carbine quickly replacing them as the standard infantry weapon and the DC15A being relegated to a 'special' weapon.

Can't recall it being mentioned but they tend to put both phase helmets on the kits; I'm sure they've said that the regular Clone Trooper kit comes with both so there should at least be plenty of readily available Phase 1s leftover.

AMG dropped all the 2025 cards for Legion yesterday and it's a huge mess. They've even taken away units (iconic and fun things like Palpatine!). Honestly screw AMG

I see the upgrade cards are now full size, just like X-Wing (RIP) and to make matters worse, the card names are on the bottom of the card now.

This is fine for a core box game using just one character and two squads per side, and for the new player where that core box is the only thing in their collection. But this is a miniatures game and for AMG to turn a profit that means encouraging players to buy lots of SKUs to add to their collection and play bigger games. Those cards are now going to take up more table space (quite unnecessarily) and they are going to be harder to organise. Nice one, AMG..

Not had a chance to go through the changes yet (there were rule changes too) but removing 6 units from the game was not the best of moves. Removing flaws, load outs and contingencies I feel was probably a good idea as it could be extremely difficult for new players to keep track of/wrap their heads around.
The updated cards I have seen are largely positive though, unless its a CIS command card...

Billicus wrote:
AMG dropped all the 2025 cards for Legion yesterday and it's a huge mess. They've even taken away units (iconic and fun things like Palpatine!). Honestly screw AMG

Reading between the lines, Palpatine and the Royal Guard going wasn't an AMG decision but Lucasfilm now having a different stance on how they wanted them presented and there wasn't a compromise in how to get a version of them back into the game. The upcoming Imperial High Command has elements of the Palpatine rules (basically confirmed that Tarkin is going to have a version of 'Pull the Strings'.

Rebel Pathfinders going is slightly odd, though I can see the logic given they occupy a very similar design space to multiple other Rebel units and don't offer anything distinct aesthetically.

The 3 generic commanders that have been removed haven't exactly 'gone' as such. They're getting replaced by the customizable commanders coming later in the year that will have options to make something similar (amongst multiple other builds).

It's never fun to lose units but personally I don't think it's quite pitchforks at AMG headquarters level considering the most jarring ones don't appear to have been their choice and the others are getting a spiritual successor.

That's super weird. Curious how they want Papa Palp presented that would cause that. Like he was always a little odd to be on the battlefield directly, but fun regardless.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
AMG dropped all the 2025 cards for Legion yesterday and it's a huge mess. They've even taken away units (iconic and fun things like Palpatine!). Honestly screw AMG

It's never fun to lose units but personally I don't think it's quite pitchforks at AMG headquarters level considering the most jarring ones don't appear to have been their choice and the others are getting a spiritual successor.

Shick is still at AMG. Pitchforks until he is gone because he keeps screwing up games.

I interpreted it less as "lucasfilm didnt like this representation of palps" and more "we dont think it makes sense for the emperor to show up on the battlefield". That line of reasoning is very on brand for schick and co across all their projects.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I interpreted it less as "lucasfilm didnt like this representation of palps" and more "we dont think it makes sense for the emperor to show up on the battlefield". That line of reasoning is very on brand for schick and co across all their projects.

We'll likely never know and it's probably some combination of multiple factors. I'd just think it was fairly telling that the LFL factor only got brought up when discussing the Palpatine/IRG removal (across multiple interviews).

"It might have been LFL but we'll probably never know" isn't enough to let AMG off the hook for me, tbh. There are also no points updates in this release despite multiple cards crying out for it - the AMG facebook post announcing this is complaints all the way down.

This is from the interview Will Shick did with Grey Squadron Gaming...

And it seems more like AMG just wanted to be able to use what Palpatine and the IRG did on other new minis.

It really feels like saying Lucasfilm told them to cut those minis is just an excuse for not knowing what to do with the minis that they wanted to pull rules from to use on other stuff.

 LunarSol wrote:
That's super weird. Curious how they want Papa Palp presented that would cause that. Like he was always a little odd to be on the battlefield directly, but fun regardless.

They couldn't outright say but the inference was that Palpatine was involved in future projects by LFL/Disney and they wouldn't sign off on a presentation that might contradict that. Quite what they'd do with Palpatine as a character that would be such a drastic diversion from his existing portrayal is beyond me but licencing approvals are a weird process and it could have been something really pedantic or specific

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
This is from the interview Will Shick did with Grey Squadron Gaming...

And it seems more like AMG just wanted to be able to use what Palpatine and the IRG did on other new minis.

It really feels like saying Lucasfilm told them to cut those minis is just an excuse for not knowing what to do with the minis that they wanted to pull rules from to use on other stuff.

Mhm, as I said, par for the course for Schick.


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JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
That's super weird. Curious how they want Papa Palp presented that would cause that. Like he was always a little odd to be on the battlefield directly, but fun regardless.

They couldn't outright say but the inference was that Palpatine was involved in future projects by LFL/Disney and they wouldn't sign off on a presentation that might contradict that. Quite what they'd do with Palpatine as a character that would be such a drastic diversion from his existing portrayal is beyond me but licencing approvals are a weird process and it could have been something really pedantic or specific

See last post on previous page, seems pretty clear it wasnt an LFL thing.

I don't play Legion myself at the moment(WEGD64lyfe yo) but if the previous page is "par for the course for Schick" then he seems like a completely reasonable designer with logical thinking? Palpatine was always an odd duck in the context of a wargame and was likely only ever included because FFG & Lucasfilm were always obsessed with things being "iconic" rather than them making any particular sense(see the endless parade of Extremely Specific Troopers who are all Stormtroopers which are the entire military, because every new thing's toy being super snowflakey for marketing is more important than a coherent setting).

If AMG's intention is to steer the game more towards being a wargame in the Star Wars setting rather than Nuhuh My Favourite Character Could EASILY Beat Up YOUR Favourite Character! Wars - which the customisable leader and operative units suggest they might be - then retiring the character and unit that require you to tie your brain into a fractal pretzel to justify their presence on the table and using the design space they were occupying to enhance and enable other things is completely reasonable. Sucks for people who bought the models sure, but them's the breaks and now the turns are tabled; as people who are fans of using movie characters in every game always used to tell people who wanted Your Dudes - guess you'll just have to find something to Counts As.

Following that logic though why any named character? What are they doing involved in all these tiny skirmishes? And why Krennic? He wasn't even a soldier but an administrator.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
That's super weird. Curious how they want Papa Palp presented that would cause that. Like he was always a little odd to be on the battlefield directly, but fun regardless.

They couldn't outright say but the inference was that Palpatine was involved in future projects by LFL/Disney and they wouldn't sign off on a presentation that might contradict that. Quite what they'd do with Palpatine as a character that would be such a drastic diversion from his existing portrayal is beyond me but licencing approvals are a weird process and it could have been something really pedantic or specific

Seems that's why Shadow Collective has been ignored the last year or so as well based on a Maul announcement from LFL this morning.

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-maul-shadow-lord

 ingtaer wrote:
Following that logic though why any named character? What are they doing involved in all these tiny skirmishes? And why Krennic? He wasn't even a soldier but an administrator.

There isn't any logic to it. It's a swindle so they can sell new models. Couldn't even be bothered to make it a "legends" character or whatever so people can keep using it. Thanks for the cash, enjoy the unusable figures.

 ingtaer wrote:
Following that logic though why any named character? What are they doing involved in all these tiny skirmishes? And why Krennic? He wasn't even a soldier but an administrator.

The trouble with your attempted argument is I do follow that logic - being required to use named characters even though it often makes no sense(and is kinda boring) is one of the main reasons I never took to Legion. Krennic probably shouldn't be in the game either, nor Tarkin nor even really Thrawn(although he at least sometimes likes to get his hands dirty) so by all means cull them as well and use their design space for more reasonable characters.

 legionaires wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
That's super weird. Curious how they want Papa Palp presented that would cause that. Like he was always a little odd to be on the battlefield directly, but fun regardless.

They couldn't outright say but the inference was that Palpatine was involved in future projects by LFL/Disney and they wouldn't sign off on a presentation that might contradict that. Quite what they'd do with Palpatine as a character that would be such a drastic diversion from his existing portrayal is beyond me but licencing approvals are a weird process and it could have been something really pedantic or specific

Seems that's why Shadow Collective has been ignored the last year or so as well based on a Maul announcement from LFL this morning.

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-maul-shadow-lord

Shadow Collective has been ignored since the mini faction dropped, can't really say that AMG's continued pattern of ignoring them and a new Maul teaser is honestly anything other than circumstance.

 legionaires wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
That's super weird. Curious how they want Papa Palp presented that would cause that. Like he was always a little odd to be on the battlefield directly, but fun regardless.

They couldn't outright say but the inference was that Palpatine was involved in future projects by LFL/Disney and they wouldn't sign off on a presentation that might contradict that. Quite what they'd do with Palpatine as a character that would be such a drastic diversion from his existing portrayal is beyond me but licencing approvals are a weird process and it could have been something really pedantic or specific

Seems that's why Shadow Collective has been ignored the last year or so as well based on a Maul announcement from LFL this morning.

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-maul-shadow-lord

AMG (and they inherited them from FFG) have consistently tried to temper expectations by saying that Shadow Collective aren't a full faction and won't be supported as such. They're a Battleforce and somewhat limited in scope. Not entirely ignored given they're getting a new core choice (pirates) and the speeder tank but I wouldn't be surprised if the new Maul show broadens the scope (including the rumoured Darth Talon-esque character). There's always Savage, Pre-Visla, Crimson Dawn and possibly Nite Owls.

Due to the tariffs, AMG have announced that the June new releases have been postponed in the US. Appears they are still being released in June elsewhere.

For Legion, this means the Outer Rim Outlaws and the IG Assassin Droids.

Aeneades wrote:
Due to the tariffs, AMG have announced that the June new releases have been postponed in the US. Appears they are still being released in June elsewhere.

For Legion, this means the Outer Rim Outlaws and the IG Assassin Droids.

To be fair, Asmodee's distribution is haphazard at the best of times so the tariff situation is just going to be another thing to pile onto the reasons stuff gets delayed in some regions. UK is still waiting on the March releases. Bigger concern for Legion is probably the new starter sets/card packs.

Ooof. I wonder if this also covers MCP and Shatterpoint?

Its AMG wide.

SWL and Shatterpoint on sale from Bobcat games. About 20% off?
Free ship at $99
https://boxcatgamestore.com/?s=star+wars&post_type=product&dgwt_wcas=1&product-page=1