I have to agree that the rigs are not great. The concept is not terrible and even these will probably look better in a different paintjob. But the proportions of the thing just give it super toy-like quality.
See, I don't really care what Snakebite rules were, because I never saw a single player use them....not once. Not in online BRs or personally (which is a far smaller sample obviously). As someone else mentioned, FNPs have been removed in 9th (unless you would just prefer Snakebite get 5+++ vs MW only because that's all that is sticking around and would probably make more sense for snakebites). My simple vision is of current rules and you cannot look at the "tranz'uman" without contemplating the increase to T5 in addition, because that alone changes everything about how you handle orks. Before, you'd throw as much S4 at them as possible, because you typically had a lot of fire at that value. Now, that damage has been reduced significantly. Therefore you look at the next best option and IMPO that is the many high ROF S6 weapons that are available because they will have a dual role vs horde armies. If no one plays snakebites, great, because S6 weapons will butcher other Orks and will be the default weapon in my estimation.
We will see, but discounting the new snakebite rule as trash by simply comparing to old rule is a mistake and does not look forward to how armies will adjust to new T5 orks. Time will tell.
I don't think that is accurate bully, since most of those weapons come with a pts tax, which S4/3 weapons just don't pay. Sure i now wound less often with boltguns, but the Tshirt orks wear wont make that a significant enough increase to justify heavy bolters or Autocannons or stormcannons imo?
Can someone who's more familiar with 9th ed rules and the various detachments explain what Gorkanauts and Morks moving to LoW slot means in terms of added costs in command points and gameplay? I have two of them, does this mean I now need to pay extra command points in order to take them both in an army?
Mr. Grey wrote: Can someone who's more familiar with 9th ed rules and the various detachments explain what Gorkanauts and Morks moving to LoW slot means in terms of added costs in command points and gameplay? I have two of them, does this mean I now need to pay extra command points in order to take them both in an army?
It means that you can't fit them in a normal detachment. Instead, you can play them in a Super heavy auxiliary detachment which contains one and costs 1 CP, or you pay 3 CP for a super heavy detachment, which contains 3. There is no way to have just 2 super heavies in a single detachment.
Mr. Grey wrote: Can someone who's more familiar with 9th ed rules and the various detachments explain what Gorkanauts and Morks moving to LoW slot means in terms of added costs in command points and gameplay? I have two of them, does this mean I now need to pay extra command points in order to take them both in an army?
It means that you can't fit them in a normal detachment. Instead, you can play them in a Super heavy auxiliary detachment which contains one and costs 1 CP, or you pay 3 CP for a super heavy detachment, which contains 3. There is no way to have just 2 super heavies in a single detachment.
Doesn't a Super Heavy Detachment cost 6 if they contain any TITANIC units? Presumably Morkanauts will be the same scale as Knights, which are TITANIC.
Mr. Grey wrote: Can someone who's more familiar with 9th ed rules and the various detachments explain what Gorkanauts and Morks moving to LoW slot means in terms of added costs in command points and gameplay? I have two of them, does this mean I now need to pay extra command points in order to take them both in an army?
It means that you can't fit them in a normal detachment. Instead, you can play them in a Super heavy auxiliary detachment which contains one and costs 1 CP, or you pay 3 CP for a super heavy detachment, which contains 3. There is no way to have just 2 super heavies in a single detachment.
Not Online!!! wrote: I don't think that is accurate bully, since most of those weapons come with a pts tax, which S4/3 weapons just don't pay. Sure i now wound less often with boltguns, but the Tshirt orks wear wont make that a significant enough increase to justify heavy bolters or Autocannons or stormcannons imo?
Not with the weapons you've listed, but you are missing the many other weapons that are S6 and are being taken in great numbers. Volkite dreads, hvy onslaught redemptors, Aeldari basic heavy weapons (shuricannons, scatters, etc), SOB Ivy flamers. I'm sure there are plenty more but now at work and can't access my books. I think HB are a poor choice because you are paying for that D2 and it is wasted here.
Bonus, S6 shots also help vs Drukhari Raiders, clears T3 models with ease.
Just my prediction.
hollow one wrote: Jid's right. The corner case of S6 and S7 weapons being turned 16% is not as good as a 6+ FNP across all cases. It's no contest, arguing proves you don't understand context.
Well jid did claim all cases. Which includes s6 and s7 and s5 w:th +1 to wound
Though yes unjless people load up on s6-7 weapons it's nerf.
Jid still exaggerating on every case claim.
At least it fastens up game. Could live with it especially with new rule added. Every codex got some nerf after all. It's the huge amount of nerfs and not many buffs that hurt.
Mr. Grey wrote: Can someone who's more familiar with 9th ed rules and the various detachments explain what Gorkanauts and Morks moving to LoW slot means in terms of added costs in command points and gameplay? I have two of them, does this mean I now need to pay extra command points in order to take them both in an army?
It means that you can't fit them in a normal detachment. Instead, you can play them in a Super heavy auxiliary detachment which contains one and costs 1 CP, or you pay 3 CP for a super heavy detachment, which contains 3. There is no way to have just 2 super heavies in a single detachment.
hollow one wrote: Jid's right. The corner case of S6 and S7 weapons being turned 16% is not as good as a 6+ FNP across all cases. It's no contest, arguing proves you don't understand context.
Well jid did claim all cases. Which includes s6 and s7 and s5 w:th +1 to wound
Though yes unjless people load up on s6-7 weapons it's nerf.
Jid still exaggerating on every case claim.
Feel free to flip back to the page where I showed the math proving it worse even for the best units with S6-7 weapons.
Along with a boost in W to 24W. And flat 6D on their melee attacks.
And likely titanic, which means you're not getting kultur because you're only taking 1 in a super heavy aux detachment. If you take 3, that's 6 CP. NO ONE, is paying 6 CP for 3 gorks/morks/stompa.
hollow one wrote: Jid's right. The corner case of S6 and S7 weapons being turned 16% is not as good as a 6+ FNP across all cases. It's no contest, arguing proves you don't understand context.
Well jid did claim all cases. Which includes s6 and s7 and s5 w:th +1 to wound
Though yes unjless people load up on s6-7 weapons it's nerf.
Jid still exaggerating on every case claim.
Feel free to flip back to the page where I showed the math proving it worse even for the best units with S6-7 weapons.
I don't recall anyone actually claiming it was mathematically superior to 6+++, that is just the hill you are dying on. The truth is that part if trait was never going to be in 9th.
Along with a boost in W to 24W. And flat 6D on their melee attacks.
And likely titanic, which means you're not getting kultur because you're only taking 1 in a super heavy aux detachment. If you take 3, that's 6 CP. NO ONE, is paying 6 CP for 3 gorks/morks/stompa.
I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if they *didn't* get Titanic, to distinguish them from the Stompa.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Tbh, I'm not feeling *too* terrible about all this. I do think GW have beefed it a bit in terms of the order they'd announced stuff – if they'd got all this stuff that feels kinda side-gradey out of the way first, and then dropped T5 on us today, I feel like people would maybe be feeling a bit more positive about this, but the novelty of the latter's had time to wear off a bit.
Even if the Codex turns out terrible, I'll still carry on playing with the green lads cos they've always been my main guys when it comes to 40K. After all, Orks are never *really* defeated…
As a non-ork player (TS/CSM) I am actually struggling to come up with a way that I would effectively deal with a significant number of T5 boys. I mean now I use Inferno-bolters/soulreaper cannons, or bolters and chainreaper cannons. All of those are going to be significantly less effective, and I am not sure any of my "all-comers" lists will have the shooting to deal with 60 or 90 boys prior to those boys getting stuck in. Especially if using the GW terrain set ups. And then in combat most of my CC attacks (Tgors/Marines) are S4 so are also less effective. While a lot of what has come down looks like nerfs (and prehaps they are), it is really similar to the Plague Marnie situation. I think the 2w with 5+++ would have been (or really the 3w 5+++ on terminators) would have been to much (in addition to slowing the game), so they got the -1 damage, and those units are still pretty good. I think the T5 boys with a universal 6+++ might have been to much. I think it will take a month or two to really see if the T5 makes that big of a difference in Orks surviving in game conditions. But right now, I am worried about dealing with big blobs of Ork boys. Then tack on Goff Kulture, and I think this is what you are going to see competitively (although the T5 doesn't help against DE poison, so who knows).
xeen wrote: As a non-ork player (TS/CSM) I am actually struggling to come up with a way that I would effectively deal with a significant number of T5 boys. I mean now I use Inferno-bolters/soulreaper cannons, or bolters and chainreaper cannons. All of those are going to be significantly less effective, and I am not sure any of my "all-comers" lists will have the shooting to deal with 60 or 90 boys prior to those boys getting stuck in. Especially if using the GW terrain set ups. And then in combat most of my CC attacks (Tgors/Marines) are S4 so are also less effective. While a lot of what has come down looks like nerfs (and prehaps they are), it is really similar to the Plague Marnie situation. I think the 2w with 5+++ would have been (or really the 3w 5+++ on terminators) would have been to much (in addition to slowing the game), so they got the -1 damage, and those units are still pretty good. I think the T5 boys with a universal 6+++ might have been to much. I think it will take a month or two to really see if the T5 makes that big of a difference in Orks surviving in game conditions. But right now, I am worried about dealing with big blobs of Ork boys. Then tack on Goff Kulture, and I think this is what you are going to see competitively (although the T5 doesn't help against DE poison, so who knows).
I don't think the goff tide has been hit by any significant nerfs - it's just that this kind of army is the least fun way to play orks and most players don't enjoy playing against it. Most ork players were hoping for buffs to other archetypes.
xeen wrote: As a non-ork player (TS/CSM) I am actually struggling to come up with a way that I would effectively deal with a significant number of T5 boys. I mean now I use Inferno-bolters/soulreaper cannons, or bolters and chainreaper cannons. All of those are going to be significantly less effective, and I am not sure any of my "all-comers" lists will have the shooting to deal with 60 or 90 boys prior to those boys getting stuck in. Especially if using the GW terrain set ups. And then in combat most of my CC attacks (Tgors/Marines) are S4 so are also less effective. While a lot of what has come down looks like nerfs (and prehaps they are), it is really similar to the Plague Marnie situation. I think the 2w with 5+++ would have been (or really the 3w 5+++ on terminators) would have been to much (in addition to slowing the game), so they got the -1 damage, and those units are still pretty good. I think the T5 boys with a universal 6+++ might have been to much. I think it will take a month or two to really see if the T5 makes that big of a difference in Orks surviving in game conditions. But right now, I am worried about dealing with big blobs of Ork boys. Then tack on Goff Kulture, and I think this is what you are going to see competitively (although the T5 doesn't help against DE poison, so who knows).
I don't think the goff tide has been hit by any significant nerfs - it's just that this kind of army is the least fun way to play orks and most players don't enjoy playing against it. Most ork players were hoping for buffs to other archetypes.
Yeah, it does feel like a bit of a bummer given that the 9th Codices so far seem to have been pretty good about "flattening" the range of options, both removing auto-takes and boosting up the less… compelling picks.
xeen wrote: As a non-ork player (TS/CSM) I am actually struggling to come up with a way that I would effectively deal with a significant number of T5 boys. I mean now I use Inferno-bolters/soulreaper cannons, or bolters and chainreaper cannons. All of those are going to be significantly less effective, and I am not sure any of my "all-comers" lists will have the shooting to deal with 60 or 90 boys prior to those boys getting stuck in. Especially if using the GW terrain set ups. And then in combat most of my CC attacks (Tgors/Marines) are S4 so are also less effective. While a lot of what has come down looks like nerfs (and prehaps they are), it is really similar to the Plague Marnie situation. I think the 2w with 5+++ would have been (or really the 3w 5+++ on terminators) would have been to much (in addition to slowing the game), so they got the -1 damage, and those units are still pretty good. I think the T5 boys with a universal 6+++ might have been to much. I think it will take a month or two to really see if the T5 makes that big of a difference in Orks surviving in game conditions. But right now, I am worried about dealing with big blobs of Ork boys. Then tack on Goff Kulture, and I think this is what you are going to see competitively (although the T5 doesn't help against DE poison, so who knows).
I don't think the goff tide has been hit by any significant nerfs - it's just that this kind of army is the least fun way to play orks and most players don't enjoy playing against it. Most ork players were hoping for buffs to other archetypes.
Sure would have been nice to have other options beyond a heavily infantry-centered list as a competitive option. But once again it looks like "masses of boyz" are going to be the way to go.
xeen wrote: As a non-ork player (TS/CSM) I am actually struggling to come up with a way that I would effectively deal with a significant number of T5 boys. I mean now I use Inferno-bolters/soulreaper cannons, or bolters and chainreaper cannons. All of those are going to be significantly less effective, and I am not sure any of my "all-comers" lists will have the shooting to deal with 60 or 90 boys prior to those boys getting stuck in. Especially if using the GW terrain set ups. And then in combat most of my CC attacks (Tgors/Marines) are S4 so are also less effective. While a lot of what has come down looks like nerfs (and prehaps they are), it is really similar to the Plague Marnie situation. I think the 2w with 5+++ would have been (or really the 3w 5+++ on terminators) would have been to much (in addition to slowing the game), so they got the -1 damage, and those units are still pretty good. I think the T5 boys with a universal 6+++ might have been to much. I think it will take a month or two to really see if the T5 makes that big of a difference in Orks surviving in game conditions. But right now, I am worried about dealing with big blobs of Ork boys. Then tack on Goff Kulture, and I think this is what you are going to see competitively (although the T5 doesn't help against DE poison, so who knows).
I don't think the goff tide has been hit by any significant nerfs - it's just that this kind of army is the least fun way to play orks and most players don't enjoy playing against it. Most ork players were hoping for buffs to other archetypes.
Agree to disagree there. In terms of goffs green tide from what we know so far;
Better than last ed;
Real exploding 6s
+1S on charge rather than limited to a pre-game strat for only boys
T5
-1AP on choppas
+1 to hit aura from warbosses
worse than last ed;
No +1A for 20+
No mob rule - this is massive and can't be overstated. If you kill 6 boys, I have to roll a 1 on my leadership test or else I lose 5 additional boyz on average.
Breakin eads now costs a CP No upstoppable green tide strat No 5++ from kff. KFF is now worthless at its points cost, so we esentially completely lost our invuln save, and thus any save at all.
Advance and charge is only for 1 turn now.
Ere we go nerfed to all dice instead of any (~10% nerf at 9" charge i think, someone check me)
Increased cost. A squad of 30 is now 30 points higher, 60 points higher than they were in January.
Running MSU boyz bypasses some of these negatives such as mob rule, so I think green tide is likely a thing of the past.
Is loss of Mob Rule confirmed? If so that's a pretty huge loss. Making big mobs of boyz objectively worse than small groups of boyz seems counter to everything that's typically "ork" - ie, huge mobs of boyz charging toward the enemy.
How does MSU boyz bypass loss of Mob Rule? I don't have the 9e rules handy so I'm not sure how Morale has changed.
Mr. Grey wrote: Is loss of Mob Rule confirmed? If so that's a pretty huge loss. Making big mobs of boyz objectively worse than small groups of boyz seems counter to everything that's typically "ork" - ie, huge mobs of boyz charging toward the enemy.
How does MSU boyz bypass loss of Mob Rule? I don't have the 9e rules handy so I'm not sure how Morale has changed.
Loss of mob rule is part of the leaks that have been 100% correct so far with what WarCom has released.
If I have 10 boyz instead of 30 and I lose the same amount of boys (6), then I will only lose 1-2 to morale instead of 5, on average.
Boyz are no doubt killier in 9th. But they were already glass cannons and now they are even less durable by a LONG shot.
And forget replacing your 120 boys with grots. They nerfed them too. Snagga boyz? Nope. Max squad size is 20 and at 11ppm you can really only afford to run 60.
So the Nob on Smasha Squig is part of the Hogboyz. I recall there was some debate over whatever else he'd have on sprue or whatnot...but he's just in that box.
xeen wrote: As a non-ork player (TS/CSM) I am actually struggling to come up with a way that I would effectively deal with a significant number of T5 boys. I mean now I use Inferno-bolters/soulreaper cannons, or bolters and chainreaper cannons. All of those are going to be significantly less effective, and I am not sure any of my "all-comers" lists will have the shooting to deal with 60 or 90 boys prior to those boys getting stuck in. Especially if using the GW terrain set ups. And then in combat most of my CC attacks (Tgors/Marines) are S4 so are also less effective. While a lot of what has come down looks like nerfs (and prehaps they are), it is really similar to the Plague Marnie situation. I think the 2w with 5+++ would have been (or really the 3w 5+++ on terminators) would have been to much (in addition to slowing the game), so they got the -1 damage, and those units are still pretty good. I think the T5 boys with a universal 6+++ might have been to much. I think it will take a month or two to really see if the T5 makes that big of a difference in Orks surviving in game conditions. But right now, I am worried about dealing with big blobs of Ork boys. Then tack on Goff Kulture, and I think this is what you are going to see competitively (although the T5 doesn't help against DE poison, so who knows).
I don't think the goff tide has been hit by any significant nerfs - it's just that this kind of army is the least fun way to play orks and most players don't enjoy playing against it. Most ork players were hoping for buffs to other archetypes.
Agree to disagree there. In terms of goffs green tide from what we know so far;
Better than last ed;
Real exploding 6s
+1S on charge rather than limited to a pre-game strat for only boys
T5
-1AP on choppas
+1 to hit aura from warbosses
worse than last ed;
No +1A for 20+
No mob rule - this is massive and can't be overstated. If you kill 6 boys, I have to roll a 1 on my leadership test or else I lose 5 additional boyz on average.
Breakin eads now costs a CP No upstoppable green tide strat No 5++ from kff. KFF is now worthless at its points cost, so we esentially completely lost our invuln save, and thus any save at all.
Advance and charge is only for 1 turn now.
Ere we go nerfed to all dice instead of any (~10% nerf at 9" charge i think, someone check me)
Increased cost. A squad of 30 is now 30 points higher, 60 points higher than they were in January.
Running MSU boyz bypasses some of these negatives such as mob rule, so I think green tide is likely a thing of the past.
Yeah, it seems GW really wants you to run mech.
Which on one hand does mean you don't have to move 100 infantry models, thus saving time.
On the other hand it also kills an iconic way of playing orks.
I finally understand Zodgrod's base. It's a huge squig footprint. They never showed us a clear image until now, so I thought it was weird he'd have a cracked scenic base
Sold out in New Zealand and Australia, in under 10 minutes for the latter. If you want that exclusive Codex, best set an alarm and be on the site 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled pre-order time
Tim the Biovore wrote: Sold out in New Zealand and Australia, in under 10 minutes for the latter. If you want that exclusive Codex, best set an alarm and be on the site 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled pre-order time
Tim the Biovore wrote: Sold out in New Zealand and Australia, in under 10 minutes for the latter. If you want that exclusive Codex, best set an alarm and be on the site 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled pre-order time
Wonder how many of these are scalper orders?
Supposedly they have shared stock allocation and NZ went up first so nothing was left for Australia.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Sold out in New Zealand and Australia, in under 10 minutes for the latter. If you want that exclusive Codex, best set an alarm and be on the site 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled pre-order time
Wonder how many of these are scalper orders?
My guess is the same with the majority of limited edition sets... about 60 - 80% depending on the item.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Sold out in New Zealand and Australia, in under 10 minutes for the latter. If you want that exclusive Codex, best set an alarm and be on the site 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled pre-order time
Wonder how many of these are scalper orders?
My guess is the same with the majority of limited edition sets... about 60 - 80% depending on the item.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One on scalpbay for $510 AUD with 2 days left...
Grimskul wrote: This was seen from how the new Mega Armoured Warbosses can't take Power Klaws, they're only able to use the Big Choppa their kit comes with.
Just as I predicted almost 2 months ago:
H.B.M.C. wrote: At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.
Grimskul wrote: This was seen from how the new Mega Armoured Warbosses can't take Power Klaws, they're only able to use the Big Choppa their kit comes with.
Just as I predicted almost 2 months ago:
H.B.M.C. wrote: At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.
Completely nonsensical, given how iconic the PK is with Mega Armour (look at Ghazzy, look at Meganobz!), GW really have to get their stick out of their butt regarding their "no-model, no rules" policy.
Grimskul wrote: This was seen from how the new Mega Armoured Warbosses can't take Power Klaws, they're only able to use the Big Choppa their kit comes with.
Just as I predicted almost 2 months ago:
H.B.M.C. wrote: At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.
Completely nonsensical, given how iconic the PK is with Mega Armour (look at Ghazzy, look at Meganobz!), GW really have to get their stick out of their butt regarding their "no-model, no rules" policy.
Well, it looks like I was wrong.
Da jump is still there. Gonna be harder to base your army around it since it is cast on 7 and you don't have the mob rule anymore, but it is still there.
Grimskul wrote: This was seen from how the new Mega Armoured Warbosses can't take Power Klaws, they're only able to use the Big Choppa their kit comes with.
Just as I predicted almost 2 months ago:
H.B.M.C. wrote: At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.
Completely nonsensical, given how iconic the PK is with Mega Armour (look at Ghazzy, look at Meganobz!), GW really have to get their stick out of their butt regarding their "no-model, no rules" policy.
Or better yet, put all the options in the kit!
Yeah, Sisters can get a fully customizable Canoness but an Ork Warboss can't even get a weapon swap.
Spoletta wrote: Well, it looks like I was wrong.
Da jump is still there. Gonna be harder to base your army around it since it is cast on 7 and you don't have the mob rule anymore, but it is still there.
Its also klan locked and core only, so you can't teleport your own weirdboy around either.
The English language box set is still available on the Japanese site, though it is currently the most expensive place in the world to buy Warhammer stuff. The price that UK scalpers charge is just what we always pay. There aren't even any retailers that offer a discount.
Well fortunately I have the 'Spanners' made up as I was running them as a Trainee-Mek boyz unit.
However one of the advantages of playing all my games at home is I can ignore silly kit/rule restrictions like this, were most Ork players have already converted any missing unit weapon options etc that were allowed in previous books.. and I'll run them anyway.
My LFGS managed to secure five copies, sold out in less than ten mins, but as I noted before I wasn't after one, just curious.
Grimskul wrote: This was seen from how the new Mega Armoured Warbosses can't take Power Klaws, they're only able to use the Big Choppa their kit comes with.
Just as I predicted almost 2 months ago:
H.B.M.C. wrote: At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.
Really makes you appreciate the previous codex author, who even managed to sneak in a couple units with no official model by hiding them in the Stratagem section.
Ordered from Wayland as I was in the GW queue with 45 minutes to go(!). Wayland have done alright for me on previous preorders, so hoping they come through here.
Jadenim wrote: Ordered from Wayland as I was in the GW queue with 45 minutes to go(!). Wayland have done alright for me on previous preorders, so hoping they come through here.
All these poor bastards waiting for hours in queque, not aware the thing they want sold out long ago.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Oh good, glad I hadn't finished my Stompa, going to need some of those. Hopefully they'll come with a chunk of the newer kits.
Wouldn't be that surprised if they went in with ALL the kits when they get reboxed, tbh.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Oh good, glad I hadn't finished my Stompa, going to need some of those. Hopefully they'll come with a chunk of the newer kits.
Wouldn't be that surprised if they went in with ALL the kits when they get reboxed, tbh.
Would be surprised if they went in with all the kits when they get reboxed. You know, GW and limited edition stuff that never gets remade.
Those fantastic Necromunda poster transfers never got remade despite selling out in minutes.
Me and a friend each managed to get one - some of my devices were only able to access the store 40+ minutes into the event despite already being on it when the queue started. The device with a queue position oif 10k+ was able to enter at 11:46, but both the English and the German box were still available.
I think GW might have literally made around a thousand or so copies total this time. Every independent retailer got only one to three copies, and from their site it sold out within less than a minute since relase.
Nazrak wrote: I dunno, this looks to be a general Ork transfer sheet, rather than Beast Snagga specific. I guess we'll see though!
Aye, I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure the Sisters new sheet initially came in their limited army box and has since come with a large chunk of their kits, so here's hoping.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I think GW might have literally made around a thousand or so copies total this time. Every independent retailer got only one to three copies, and from their site it sold out within less than a minute since relase.
On the German page there were still copies available in either language 45 minutes after start, from my queue position they had at least 10k.
Nazrak wrote: I dunno, this looks to be a general Ork transfer sheet, rather than Beast Snagga specific. I guess we'll see though!
Aye, I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure the Sisters new sheet initially came in their limited army box and has since come with a large chunk of their kits, so here's hoping.
Keep in mind that Sisters straight up didn't have a transfer sheet for their kits so they HAD to make a new one for one to exist at all.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I think GW might have literally made around a thousand or so copies total this time. Every independent retailer got only one to three copies, and from their site it sold out within less than a minute since relase.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I think GW might have literally made around a thousand or so copies total this time. Every independent retailer got only one to three copies, and from their site it sold out within less than a minute since relase.
I got in at 10:23 and got one in the U.K.
I'm interested to know what time you logged onto the site.
I went on just after 9:50am, the website was 'closed' and preparing for queuing. It then put me into the queue. By 10:35, my queue time was still 'over 1 hour'. Obviously by the time I did get on a few minutes ago, it was long gone.
As I only just restarted 40k when the new Admech codex came out, my lad saw me building and painting models again and said he'd dig out some of the old Ork kits he had and that we could have some games this school summer holiday. There's no Ork codex at all on the GW webstore. I'm sure GW used to release the 'normal' codex at the same time as the limited edition ones. Makes me wonder what GW (a UK company) was thinking for the school summer holidays if there's no Ork Codex available but there is for every other army.
Their push for profits via fomo is really screwing over gamers.
Jidmah wrote: There was a rumor that you can just slap one of these on a detachment
Really? There's no limit? So I can just make an army of Trukk boyz? I mean, that's kind of cool if perhaps a little unbalanced because I am basically getting free rules. Do other armies have specialists too? I don't recall seeing a specialist page in my Necron codex.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I think GW might have literally made around a thousand or so copies total this time. Every independent retailer got only one to three copies, and from their site it sold out within less than a minute since relase.
I got in at 10:23 and got one in the U.K.
I'm interested to know what time you logged onto the site.
I went on just after 9:50am, the website was 'closed' and preparing for queuing. It then put me into the queue. By 10:35, my queue time was still 'over 1 hour'. Obviously by the time I did get on a few minutes ago, it was long gone.
As I only just restarted 40k when the new Admech codex came out, my lad saw me building and painting models again and said he'd dig out some of the old Ork kits he had and that we could have some games this school summer holiday. There's no Ork codex at all on the GW webstore. I'm sure GW used to release the 'normal' codex at the same time as the limited edition ones. Makes me wonder what GW (a UK company) was thinking for the school summer holidays if there's no Ork Codex available but there is for every other army.
Their push for profits via fomo is really screwing over gamers.
There's no Ork codex at all on the GW webstore. I'm sure GW used to release the 'normal' codex at the same time as the limited edition ones. Makes me wonder what GW (a UK company) was thinking for the school summer holidays if there's no Ork Codex available but there is for every other army.
Their push for profits via fomo is really screwing over gamers.
The previous limited edition codexes were big fancy $180 units with a unique cover, usually some extra bits like cool coins, some art sheets, and a really nice box to put it all in. This limited edition codex is nothing but a unique cover. Same thing with the Sisters of Battle and Lumineth codexes.
Really? There's no limit? So I can just make an army of Trukk boyz?
I mean, that's kind of cool if perhaps a little unbalanced because I am basically getting free rules.
Do other armies have specialists too? I don't recall seeing a specialist page in my Necron codex.
If its 1 per detachment its not going to be that crazy.
Really? There's no limit? So I can just make an army of Trukk boyz?
I mean, that's kind of cool if perhaps a little unbalanced because I am basically getting free rules.
Do other armies have specialists too? I don't recall seeing a specialist page in my Necron codex.
If its 1 per detachment its not going to be that crazy.
I guess. Doesn't say that though in the specialist mob list. I'm assuming that you can take one of each of the named characters because they are Unique choices, but specialist mobs are oddly ambiguous.
Does anybody know if these were limited to one copy per person?
I was in the queue from 10:00, had to wait approx 30 minutes, by which time they had sold out.
I mean, if this is how it’s going to be in future then I hope that they remove the queue feature. It’s disheartening to be patiently waiting for half an hour, only to be informed that you have wasted your time.
Really? There's no limit? So I can just make an army of Trukk boyz?
I mean, that's kind of cool if perhaps a little unbalanced because I am basically getting free rules.
Do other armies have specialists too? I don't recall seeing a specialist page in my Necron codex.
If its 1 per detachment its not going to be that crazy.
I guess. Doesn't say that though in the specialist mob list. I'm assuming that you can take one of each of the named characters because they are Unique choices, but specialist mobs are oddly ambiguous.
Specialist mobs give up on clan rules. I think instead of custom subfactions there's going to be specialist mobs instead.
Edit: misread the rules, looks like they'd get both. Hope there's a limit on them then.
Bosskelot wrote: Yeah, Sisters can get a fully customizable Canoness but an Ork Warboss can't even get a weapon swap.
Tell that to SM.
Except for DA because sculptor literally didn't listen to brief and included a few spare weapon options.
And DAonly because other SM captains can't take these options even though the chapter pad is separate and you can easily swap it
ERJAK wrote: Keep in mind that Sisters straight up didn't have a transfer sheet for their kits so they HAD to make a new one for one to exist at all.
Really? Wasn't there one with old 'sisters' rhino? There were transfers on store model unless they were custom made:
That kit actually didn't ship with those transfers, IIRC. I think it used to specifically mention it on the store page. Which, along with the price increase and the new upgrade sprue, is why they rereleased essentially the same rhino kit.
I was in the queue from 10:00, had to wait approx 30 minutes, by which time they had sold out.
I mean, if this is how it’s going to be in future then I hope that they remove the queue feature. It’s disheartening to be patiently waiting for half an hour, only to be informed that you have wasted your time.
I glanced at the New Zealand site last night and they weren't. Don't know if that changed for other countries but I would assume not. Definitely could be the scalpers filled their carts with as many as they could and made out like bandits.
I was in the queue from 10:00, had to wait approx 30 minutes, by which time they had sold out.
I mean, if this is how it’s going to be in future then I hope that they remove the queue feature. It’s disheartening to be patiently waiting for half an hour, only to be informed that you have wasted your time.
I glanced at the New Zealand site last night and they weren't. Don't know if that changed for other countries but I would assume not. Definitely could be the scalpers filled their carts with as many as they could and made out like bandits.
It has a limit of 1 in the UK. Could see it when looking at basket.
Nazrak wrote: I dunno, this looks to be a general Ork transfer sheet, rather than Beast Snagga specific. I guess we'll see though!
Aye, I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure the Sisters new sheet initially came in their limited army box and has since come with a large chunk of their kits, so here's hoping.
Keep in mind that Sisters straight up didn't have a transfer sheet for their kits so they HAD to make a new one for one to exist at all.
Nazrak wrote: I dunno, this looks to be a general Ork transfer sheet, rather than Beast Snagga specific. I guess we'll see though!
Aye, I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure the Sisters new sheet initially came in their limited army box and has since come with a large chunk of their kits, so here's hoping.
Keep in mind that Sisters straight up didn't have a transfer sheet for their kits so they HAD to make a new one for one to exist at all.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
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I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
Today’s war com article (can’t copy link) says the Stand alone Ork book won’t be until after the Orlando open. That starts august 14. That is very troubling news for ork players and those of us still waiting on a dex. Just thought I would get this out there
Edit. Sorry 13th
Edit 2. This release the book with a special box then the stand alone later is F-ing BS
xeen wrote: Today’s war com article (can’t copy link) says the Stand alone Ork book won’t be until after the Orlando open. That starts august 14. That is very troubling news for ork players and those of us still waiting on a dex. Just thought I would get this out there
Edit. Sorry 13th
Edit 2. This release the book with a special box then the stand alone later is F-ing BS
This is also how they handled the Sisters of Battle army box and the Lumineth release. Special box with special codex first, regular codex and full releases 2-3 months later. It sucks but it shouldn't come as a surprise.
xeen wrote: Today’s war com article (can’t copy link) says the Stand alone Ork book won’t be until after the Orlando open. That starts august 14. That is very troubling news for ork players and those of us still waiting on a dex. Just thought I would get this out there
Edit. Sorry 13th
Edit 2. This release the book with a special box then the stand alone later is F-ing BS
Probably means those that did snag the box won't be able to actually use those new models for the Open.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
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I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
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HAHAHAHA
Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!
In GW Land, where up is down and left is right, selling out in under 10 minutes and creating lots of unhappy customers and leaving tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars on the table is seen as a sign of SUCCESS. If GW didn't learn their lesson after Indomitus this time last year, they are NEVER, EVER going to learn.
It is astounding how time after time, they do the same thing and people are surprised by it. Its like dealing with battered wives, "but this time its going to be different!".
And before the white knights and shills descend like a swarm of locusts with their "but muh coivd" and "but muh supply chain"; I've two comments to that:
1. This is behavior that predates the current situation by YEARS. Decades, in fact. I know blaming all your failures and incompetence on covid is in vogue these days, but that doesn't explain the Sisters release or any of the countless others where the exact same thing happened.
2. GW isn't the only company dealing with things, and a very solid argument can be made that they should be doing a much better job of it given the extent of their vertical integration. Are there no print houses in the whole of the UK that can print codexes & cards? No smaller shops that they can subcontract with to make more minis? Doing a made to order like with Indomitus, just keep it open over the weekend. If print runs are an issue, just have a counter on the website - when we sell 10K of these, we make more, tell your friends. So many solutions, but they require actually caring about your customer base, not being a yes man, and thinking outside the lines.
FWIW, I don't even want one of these sets - I just feel bad for the guys who do.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
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I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
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HAHAHAHA
Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!
In GW Land, where up is down and left is right, selling out in under 10 minutes and creating lots of unhappy customers and leaving tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars on the table is seen as a sign of SUCCESS. If GW didn't learn their lesson after Indomitus this time last year, they are NEVER, EVER going to learn.
It is astounding how time after time, they do the same thing and people are surprised by it. Its like dealing with battered wives, "but this time its going to be different!".
And before the white knights and shills descend like a swarm of locusts with their "but muh coivd" and "but muh supply chain"; I've two comments to that:
1. This is behavior that predates the current situation by YEARS. Decades, in fact. I know blaming all your failures and incompetence on covid is in vogue these days, but that doesn't explain the Sisters release or any of the countless others where the exact same thing happened.
2. GW isn't the only company dealing with things, and a very solid argument can be made that they should be doing a much better job of it given the extent of their vertical integration. Are there no print houses in the whole of the UK that can print codexes & cards? No smaller shops that they can subcontract with to make more minis? Doing a made to order like with Indomitus, just keep it open over the weekend. If print runs are an issue, just have a counter on the website - when we sell 10K of these, we make more, tell your friends. So many solutions, but they require actually caring about your customer base, not being a yes man, and thinking outside the lines.
FWIW, I don't even want one of these sets - I just feel bad for the guys who do.
It's a success because they can then take every model in the box and sell it individually at thrice the price in three months. Why would they WANT to sell a lot of discounted boxes? That just means they make less cash per sprue.
that is the point, GW lives from the momentum those releases make
by having not enough boxes in the first run, they create a "need" for the models that would not be there in the first place
so they can sell the individual models for more than any sculper would try, and because there are not enough cheap boxes in the first place, there are not enough models on the 2nd hand market to undercut the price of the original models
GW learned a lot in the past from those boxes:
- don't make enough discount boxes, some people just buy them for the hype and sell them off later for less, if there are to many cheap models from the box, no one is going to buy the full price any more
- create a hype of "need them now" and the fear of missing out, so people buy and start armies and buy the other stuff who would not have done so if they felt they could get a box whenever they wanted (and not just now or never)
- don't invest into too many machines/people to fill the market
if you could sell 10.000 copies more than you can produce now, but to make the new machines worth it they need to sell 15.000 copies more each release over the next 3 years, it is not worth it by any means (as the market is changing and anything more than a year is too long) and as long the amount of people who start is bigger than those that leave, there is no problem in leaving angry costumers behind
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
]\
I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
]
HAHAHAHA
Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!
In GW Land, where up is down and left is right, selling out in under 10 minutes and creating lots of unhappy customers and leaving tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars on the table is seen as a sign of SUCCESS. If GW didn't learn their lesson after Indomitus this time last year, they are NEVER, EVER going to learn.
It is astounding how time after time, they do the same thing and people are surprised by it. Its like dealing with battered wives, "but this time its going to be different!".
And before the white knights and shills descend like a swarm of locusts with their "but muh coivd" and "but muh supply chain"; I've two comments to that:
1. This is behavior that predates the current situation by YEARS. Decades, in fact. I know blaming all your failures and incompetence on covid is in vogue these days, but that doesn't explain the Sisters release or any of the countless others where the exact same thing happened.
2. GW isn't the only company dealing with things, and a very solid argument can be made that they should be doing a much better job of it given the extent of their vertical integration. Are there no print houses in the whole of the UK that can print codexes & cards? No smaller shops that they can subcontract with to make more minis? Doing a made to order like with Indomitus, just keep it open over the weekend. If print runs are an issue, just have a counter on the website - when we sell 10K of these, we make more, tell your friends. So many solutions, but they require actually caring about your customer base, not being a yes man, and thinking outside the lines.
FWIW, I don't even want one of these sets - I just feel bad for the guys who do.
It's a success because they can then take every model in the box and sell it individually at thrice the price in three months. Why would they WANT to sell a lot of discounted boxes? That just means they make less cash per sprue.
Yep. It's a hype generation strategy. They've clearly got internal metrics that show them that the buzz these boxes create outweigh the negative feelings it creates in people who missed out. As a previous commenter noted, this FOMO-generation strategy pre-dates COVID and will likely extend long past it.
Phobos wrote: And before the white knights and shills descend like a swarm of locusts with their "but muh coivd" and "but muh supply chain"; I've two comments to that:
Sure way to win an argument. Just defame anybody with a different opinion right away.
Blastum wrote: Wow...just wow...this is worse than a Shepard Fairey print drop on the Obey website.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There are people on eBay selling for $300 and have multiple copies. WTF?!?!?!
I would guess that scalpers managed to find a way to beat the queue and buy multiple copies all in one go.
Honestly, I could have easily gotten ten or more copies, as I was queued with multiple different devices and had a friend and my wife help me. I left the device with the highest number in the queue just to see if they would sell out as fast as it did in other countries, but there were still both boxes available.
And if I wanted, I have the technical knowledge to easily get hundreds of devices to enter the queue without leaving my chair, and each one of them could have entered the queue and gotten a copy.
Man, this is my first time not being able to get something! It sucks! I went to my local store right after they opened this morning to place a preorder, and I was already number 12 in line. The owner said he only expected to get 4.
I got there like 15 minutes after the store opened too! Ridiculous.
Blastum wrote: Wow...just wow...this is worse than a Shepard Fairey print drop on the Obey website.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There are people on eBay selling for $300 and have multiple copies. WTF?!?!?!
Probably unscrupulous retailers.
This is extremely likely. It was limit one per customer per order, and after each order it booted you back to the queue.
Well, unless you were going like Jidmah. We'll see how many preorders from GW shops stay though, as Mondays are when GW cancels unpaid preorders made via the instore terminals.
Blastum wrote: Wow...just wow...this is worse than a Shepard Fairey print drop on the Obey website.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There are people on eBay selling for $300 and have multiple copies. WTF?!?!?!
I was looking before USA went up to order and there were a ton of eBay willing to ship to USA for around 300 and 30 shipping which is easily double the cost they are in Europe. Someone is making some money.
kodos wrote: that is the point, GW lives from the momentum those releases make
by having not enough boxes in the first run, they create a "need" for the models that would not be there in the first place
so they can sell the individual models for more than any sculper would try, and because there are not enough cheap boxes in the first place, there are not enough models on the 2nd hand market to undercut the price of the original models
GW learned a lot in the past from those boxes:
- don't make enough discount boxes, some people just buy them for the hype and sell them off later for less, if there are to many cheap models from the box, no one is going to buy the full price any more
- create a hype of "need them now" and the fear of missing out, so people buy and start armies and buy the other stuff who would not have done so if they felt they could get a box whenever they wanted (and not just now or never)
- don't invest into too many machines/people to fill the market
if you could sell 10.000 copies more than you can produce now, but to make the new machines worth it they need to sell 15.000 copies more each release over the next 3 years, it is not worth it by any means (as the market is changing and anything more than a year is too long) and as long the amount of people who start is bigger than those that leave, there is no problem in leaving angry costumers behind
It's a balance, I do wonder if GW have it right. My cupboard is full of crap I impulse bought because it looked cool at release, and full of empty spaces where I couldn't get something when the hype was there and then when it did become available the hype had died down and the more intelligent part of me said don't buy it.
Not to mention there's a ton of people who simply won't buy it at non-bundle prices.
they don't need to have it right, they just need enough people to sell out or sell enough for profit
and because there are not a lot of those out there, there is no good reason to produce more without also changing the system behind it
as more discount boxes available also need a different marketing and strategy to sell them
but never change a running system
kodos wrote: they don't need to have it right, they just need enough people to sell out or sell enough for profit
and because there are not a lot of those out there, there is no good reason to produce more without also changing the system behind it
as more discount boxes available also need a different marketing and strategy to sell them
but never change a running system
There's not too many companies that wouldn't take the opportunity to make more money. Even if they're selling out and can't produce more, it'd benefit them to make more money of each SKU.
I love orks they are my one true 40k army so i tried to get one at my LGS and GW online I got on the list at my LGS but not early enough and didn't get it at GW online.
In hindsight it is probably a good thing. I am not overly fond of the beast snaggas anyway. I could honestly probably be happy getting a new unit of boys when they come out and the new big squig rider... and if i decide to actually play 40k again then get a codex then. Getting a box of boys i can just add a few boys to each of my already units to make them look cool and add variety.
If they change the base size oh well. I am not redoing my bases on my army anyway. It is what it is. My LGS isn't a GW store so I doubt they will care and GW doesn't have big events anymore like back in 4th and 5th edition that are worthwhile or easy to attend anyway.
there are a lot, specially those with small in house manufacturing
the opportunity to sell more and make more money but with the need to make a big investment including running costs for people to operate it and no guarantee that you still sell out everything on release is not an easy decision
this comes down if you want to stay happy in your niche and sell everything, or expand and go out of your niche with the risk of stock being left behind and the more in sales is not enough to make up for the investment
many small productions decide to stay small because it work as the little more they can make is not enough compared to the risk
and as long as GW makes such a profit there is no need to risk anything
Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
Blood of the Phoenix hung around for a long while. Some retailers still had it in stock when the models were released separately.
I could definitely see GW being concerned about over-producing a Xenos release, especially when it involves a new design direction like Beast Snaggas that could turn out to be unpopular (see: mixed comments on the new AOS orks). When the codex & models are coming out separately a little later, they're always going to err on the side of caution.
streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
They want to keep the demand high, hence sending out the promos for free advertising. Building the hype up has let them sell less to vendors which in turn allows them to sell more directly on their website thus make more profit per item.
Plus with the hype up they slowly trickle the other products out hoping people buy them at full prices as there is a discount involved in the boxed army and limited edition sets. The problem is people keep buying into the hype and keep buying from them despite their horrible business practices that aim to reward stock holders and give little to no care to their consumers.
The best case of this is the fact that something like 80% of their sales is to the USA and yet the cost in the USA is 30% higher then Europe for the same product. If the USA boycotted new releases... which would never happen.... it would force GW to have to lower their prices or atleast make it equalivent to Europes prices. But this will never happen. I think if USA could boycott GW for 6 months they would drop the prices considerably given we make up the majority of their sales.
Spikey Bits just did a good youtube video on this kinda explains the value of voting with your hobby dollars and how GW is screwing over vendors and customers alike. It is worth a watch. I learned a lot about these FOMO boxes and GW's marketing in general.
If thats really their strategy, they migh be heading toward a wall. IIRC, GW went into some trouble when they first introduced their websites, cause they were doing discounts that LGS couldn't match. At first, it made them a lot of money, but after a while, a lot of LGS closed or mostly turned to other games (primarily Warmachine), so they kind of killed the golden goose.
Will be interesting to see if history will repeat itself if they really are making a push toward more sell through their website. Maybe they feel that they have now a strong enough digital presence, and thst they don't need lgs as much for recruiting new player
Blastum wrote: Wow...just wow...this is worse than a Shepard Fairey print drop on the Obey website.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There are people on eBay selling for $300 and have multiple copies. WTF?!?!?!
Probably unscrupulous retailers.
Retailers were hard limited to 4 copies. There are a total of 6 game stores within 120 miles of me and all of them only received four copies. Looks like this box was very limited.
streetsamurai wrote: If thats really their strategy, they migh be heading toward a wall. IIRC, GW went into some trouble when they first introduced their websites, cause they were doing discounts that LGS couldn't match. At first, it made them a lot of money, but after a while, a lot of LGS closed or mostly turned to other games (primarily Warmachine), so they kind of killed the golden goose.
Will be interesting to see if history will repeat itself if they really are making a push toward more sell through their website. Maybe they feel that they have now a strong enough digital presence, and thst they don't need lgs as much for recruiting new player
That only makes sense if they kept plenty of stock for their own website while starving FLGS. On the evidence of this thread (GW website out of stock in minutes) that is not the case. FLGS had limited stock as there was simply limited stock to go around. Not a grand plan to squeeze them out.
An FLGS owner on this forum complained about getting too many boxes of Dominion to shift quickly just weeks ago.
My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.
flaherty wrote: My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.
streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
Is it more profitable to sell more discount bundles or to prime the pump and then release the same models unbundled at a higher combined price point? I'm not saying that is their strategy, but you have to think about it.
Personally, I think it has more to do with GW having less production capacity than the market demands. They just can't churn out enough of the new stuff and the old stuff to make more of these launch kits. Instead, they accept that they will sell out lightning fast and leave it to the customer to find a discount pack or purchase the kits separately. Not nice, but they only have so much production time.
Looks like they put their production into overdrive for Dominion over this. It makes sense for the launch box (or whatever they call it) of a new edition of their 2nd most popular game when going against the release of a single faction starter box for a 40k army. Then again from a business point of view the Beast Snagga box *should* have a far greater profit margin than Dominion (maybe the Codex lowers that margin?). I just hope they can learn from this kind of release.
flaherty wrote: My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.
So you hope that they make customers to pay in order to even have a chance to buy their products? How about no?
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Looks like they put their production into overdrive for Dominion over this. It makes sense for the launch box (or whatever they call it) of a new edition of their 2nd most popular game when going against the release of a single faction starter box for a 40k army. Then again from a business point of view the Beast Snagga box *should* have a far greater profit margin than Dominion (maybe the Codex lowers that margin?). I just hope they can learn from this kind of release.
They have learned. This isn't a 'how will this work out?' release. This is the result of previous releases with the same strategy.
The only 'lesson' GW is likely to take from this (and the last several years) is eldar and daemon focused boxes don't sell out, therefor they should be lesser priority. [Which is nonsense, but a conclusion easily reached with their current approach]
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Looks like they put their production into overdrive for Dominion over this. It makes sense for the launch box (or whatever they call it) of a new edition of their 2nd most popular game when going against the release of a single faction starter box for a 40k army.
That's very likely the case. There was a lot of backlash about Indomitus selling out so quickly that GW had to divert resources into Made To Order copies last year, likely delaying / reducing stock for other stuff in early 2021. Rather than make the same mistake again, it would have made sense to increase Dominion production quotas to ensure they didn't sell out in minutes.
Unfortunately sales forecasting can often be more of an art than a science, and there's a limit to how much you can predict the future 12+ months out. It's very easy for people on Internet forums to see what actually sells best afterwards and make posts claiming "GW should have produced more of X and less of Y". It's about as useful as someone telling you the winning lottery numbers after the draw has taken place.
flaherty wrote: My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.
The 'privilege' of your membership is the 'free' model you get.
Besides, it's not as if these scalpers are random Joes. If they're keeping up with releases and know how popular things will be, odds are they're the type of people who'll be subscribed to Warhammer+ anyway. That, and putting down £5 when you'll make a £75+ profit off people desperate to burn a hole in their pocket is nothing. It'd not stop scalpers and it'd just anger people with no interest in subscribing to +.
flaherty wrote: My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.
So you hope that they make customers to pay in order to even have a chance to buy their products? How about no?
The best part is that multiple WH+ subscriptions wouldn't even cost enough to prevent scalpers. It would only take one or two releases per year to break even, and the rest are guaranteed sales.
xttz wrote: The best part is that multiple WH+ subscriptions wouldn't even cost enough to prevent scalpers. It would only take one or two releases per year to break even, and the rest are guaranteed sales.
Frankly, I bet scalpers will get + anyway to grab the big, flashy, limited minis. They would be stupid not to.
flaherty wrote: My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.
So you hope that they make customers to pay in order to even have a chance to buy their products? How about no?
The best part is that multiple WH+ subscriptions wouldn't even cost enough to prevent scalpers. It would only take one or two releases per year to break even, and the rest are guaranteed sales.
Sure, but there are only a few of these guaranteed sell-out boxes a year. It would dampen profits dramatically.
Introducing any amount of friction will level the playing field and give more folks a chance to get the product they want.
I agree, fans shouldn't have to pay solely for the privilege to buy other products, but a right of first refusal for any limited edition products would be a nice addition to the overall offering and would be my personal #1 wish list item for the service.
streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
Is it more profitable to sell more discount bundles or to prime the pump and then release the same models unbundled at a higher combined price point? I'm not saying that is their strategy, but you have to think about it.
It's a balance. I'm not going to pay GW's higher price, but I might pay their bundle price. So if I can't get their bundle, the money they make off me goes from "some" to "none".
Personally, I think it has more to do with GW having less production capacity than the market demands. They just can't churn out enough of the new stuff and the old stuff to make more of these launch kits. Instead, they accept that they will sell out lightning fast and leave it to the customer to find a discount pack or purchase the kits separately. Not nice, but they only have so much production time.
If GW are suffering from production capacity issues (which all evidence points to that being the case) I would have guessed they'd want to maximise profits from each SKU and slow down their release cycle rather than trying to keep the same pace of release but selling out consistently.
Like, instead of selling out of Belakor one Saturday then selling out of Cursed City the next Saturday, make more Belakors and push Cursed City back a week.
Making new products is time consuming and expensive and maybe one day you run out of ideas, so ideally you want to milk each one for what it's worth.
I don’t like these ridiculous scramble releases any more than the rest of you, but at least in this case the contents are all going to be released separately.
It’s when they pull this same nonsense with stuff that doesn’t get a separate release that really gets my goat.
I'm not sure about FOMO - I think its just about value proposition of the bundle.
Consider for instance the Lumineth exclusive, which I think you can still find lurking in certain stores to this day.
On a sort of mental count:
Army Book - £25.
Spearmen - £35.
Knights - £35
Eltharion - £20
So you are only getting £115 worth of stuff for... £110 pounds. Okay flash forward to actual RRP and there's another £12~ on that and I guess you get some dice and cards, but its still only £125-130 for £110.
Hopefully you can see this box is comparably going nowhere fast. Its not desirable for scalpers or for stock breakers. If you are even vaguely "so so" on any of these contents (say you loved the Spearmen but could take or leave Eltharion) the box ceases to be a value proposition.
Lets do a similar count here.
20 Snagga Boyz - hopefully going to be £35 for 10. I suspect they will be more (i.e. at least £36.5, could be £39.5), but lets call it £70 for now.
A codex: £30.
Zodgrod: £20.
Nob on Squig: £25.
Squighog boyz - probably near £40.
So that's: 70+30+20+25+40=£185 for £125. Be a bit more realistic/pessimistic on GW's likely pricing (or say the cards etc are worth "something") and we are talking £190-200.
Which means this is a great deal for anyone - be it regular buyers, stockbreakers or out and out scalpers. I could for instance take or leave Zodgrod - but he's not integral to the value proposition. I could say he's worthless, discount the Nob on Squig to say £15 and its still looking like a reasonable deal if I'd ever want to buy these models in the future.
This is also I think why things like Blood of the Phoenix didn't sell. Partly that was the consumers underestimating just what GW would want RRP for the 12 "new" models (a more polite way of saying GW's pricing is bananas) - but also I think severely discounting the ancient stock in the box because this stock is available via ebay and elsewhere for a fraction of that RRP.
The set includes the following multipart plastic miniatures:
- 1x Zodgrod Wortsnagga (supplied with a Citadel 50mm Round Base)
- 1x Nob on Smasha Squig (supplied with a Citadel 90x52.5mm Oval Base Round Base)
- 3x Squighog Boyz (each supplied with a Citadel 75x41.5mm Round Base)
- 1x Bomb Squig (supplied with a Citadel 25mm Round Base)
- 20x Beast Snagga Boyz (each supplied with a Citadel 32mm Round Base)
The sprues shown work out for a single warboss model...
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... and two squig riders.
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Yes, I am aware of how those images are named on the GW page (i.e. "BeastsnaggaHogbouzSprue 1 and 2"), but one shows the boss, and lacks any parts used in the other three models, and the other shares nothing with the boss. There is also obviously a sprue missing, for the ones shown do not build all models.
Putting all this together it is more likely that the boss is a seperate model, and the sprues shown are mislabelled (and missing a pic). It would not be the first time.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: They look separate. But, the face for the Bomb Squig is on the Nobz’ sprue, the rest of the little fella on one of of them Mobs’ sprue.
The Nobz' sprue is missing one of the legs for his Squig, which i'd say is somewhat more important
The set includes the following multipart plastic miniatures:
- 1x Nob on Smasha Squig (supplied with a Citadel 90x52.5mm Oval Base Round Base)
The sprues shown work out for a single warboss model...
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And that sprue is missing the legs for the Smasha Squig (it only has two left legs, without feet, and a small part of the right leg). Those missing parts, however, are located on one of the Hogboyz' sprues.
I mean its kind of academic.
I took the descriptions (and unit entries) to mean they were separate but agree on close inspection some stuff seems scattered across all the sprues, and it seems unlikely GW would cut whole new sprues for a full separate release. (Unless they go ahead and do exactly that in 6~ months time).
So you might save a bit less.
Because surely GW wouldn't charge you £65 a box.
Right?
Right....?
It is astounding how time after time, they do the same thing and people are surprised by it. Its like dealing with battered wives, "but this time its going to be different!".
Jesus Christ did you seriously just compare some people not being able to buy a box of toy spacemen at a discount to domestic abuse? Get a fething grip you weirdo.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
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I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
They look at money they gain from selling same stuff at no discount later.
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streetsamurai wrote: It's incredible that they haven't learn from the past and make more of these boxes. They always seems to sell out in less than a hour
Uuuhh...they have learned. They are doing this because it brings 'em more ££££££££.
You assume their goal is to sell at discount to everybody. Rather than sell at full price for most.
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streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So have the eagle eyed sprue hunters managed to figure out how many build options the Snagga Boyz sprues have?
Currently we are praying that at least the loose arms have the same shoulder joins
Looking at the sprue they don't - the arms are a mix of moulded onto torso, parts of arm only, or odd shapes at the join to fit certain torso arrangements.
tneva82 wrote: It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
Why sell X for 70 when you can sell X for 100?
Yeah.
What GW hope for is that some very hyper people buy this box - and it forms the seed of a whole new (or at least expanded) Ork Army. After all, its only 450~ points or something. Gotta buy yourself some more Squighogz.
What GW doesn't want is there to be say huge numbers of Snagga Boyz on Ebay floating around at say £15-20~ for 10, when they are trying to charge say £35-40.
It would be interesting to see as a consequence of Indomitus how many Necron Warriors have been sold - and those were stuck at a relatively low (for GW) £29. They are still regularly shifting for as little as half that on secondary markets.
In regard to Indomitus and cheap Necrons, I got a whole armies worth for very cheap (3 full necron forces worth of indomitus). On the plus for GW, I would not have bought any necrons otherwise (and to-date, have not purchased other necrons so far). At some point, GW should benefit from me diving into a new army.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
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I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
They look at money they gain from selling same stuff at no discount later.
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streetsamurai wrote: It's incredible that they haven't learn from the past and make more of these boxes. They always seems to sell out in less than a hour
Uuuhh...they have learned. They are doing this because it brings 'em more ££££££££.
You assume their goal is to sell at discount to everybody. Rather than sell at full price for most.
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streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
Why sell X for 70 when you can sell X for 100?
Well your "logic" falls flat since a lot of customers who would have buy the said DISCOUNT box, won't buy the model individually once they re released, and probably no other models from the range (since they won't play that army cause they couldn't get the DISCOUNT box). Most of the armies i own were started cause i was able to buy a DISCOUNT box for them, and I'm sure I'm far from the only one
It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
Why sell X for 70 when you can sell X for 100?
Or X for 130 to USA
Well your "logic" falls flat since a lot of customers who would have buy the said DISCOUNT box, won't buy the model individually once they re released, and probably no other models from the range (since they won't play that army cause they couldn't get the DISCOUNT box). Most of the armies i own were started cause i was able to buy a DISCOUNT box for them, and I'm sure I'm far from the only one
Definately not the only one. I was mostly after the ork codex and cards and the box was a good value, this way I could maybe buy some more units and play some orks or maybe rekindle playing. Since I couldn't get it. I will just get the boss on the big squig and a box of regular boys to throw in the mix with my regular boys. So honestly it saves me some money. I don't even think I will get the codex as I doubt I will use it. My love of 40k has mostly went to collecting since 5th edition.
Tazok wrote: In regard to Indomitus and cheap Necrons, I got a whole armies worth for very cheap (3 full necron forces worth of indomitus). On the plus for GW, I would not have bought any necrons otherwise (and to-date, have not purchased other necrons so far). At some point, GW should benefit from me diving into a new army.
That's how I started my DG. I probably paid less than 100€ for my first 2k points. And technically my orks as well, as I got three sets of AOBR orks.
Any time a box is marines vs something, ebay gets flooded with the other half.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.
Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
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I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.
They look at money they gain from selling same stuff at no discount later.
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streetsamurai wrote: It's incredible that they haven't learn from the past and make more of these boxes. They always seems to sell out in less than a hour
Uuuhh...they have learned. They are doing this because it brings 'em more ££££££££.
You assume their goal is to sell at discount to everybody. Rather than sell at full price for most.
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streetsamurai wrote: Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?
It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
Why sell X for 70 when you can sell X for 100?
Well your "logic" falls flat since a lot of customers who would have buy the said DISCOUNT box, won't buy the model individually once they re released, and probably no other models from the range (since they won't play that army cause they couldn't get the DISCOUNT box). Most of the armies i own were started cause i was able to buy a DISCOUNT box for them, and I'm sure I'm far from the only one
Most armies I now have started with a DISCOUNT box of some description. If it weren't for DISCOUNT boxes, I possibly never would have gotten in to Warhammer at all. I'm sure for many folk the baseline GW prices are too absurd to buy significantly large armies without the assistance of DISCOUNT boxes.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Most armies I now have started with a DISCOUNT box of some description. If it weren't for DISCOUNT boxes, I possibly never would have gotten in to Warhammer at all. I'm sure for many folk the baseline GW prices are too absurd to buy significantly large armies without the assistance of DISCOUNT boxes.
Isn't that rather an argument for GW to keep making new, limited DISCOUNT boxes instead of keeping DISCOUNT boxes around indefinitely? I know a lot of people who have doubled the number of armies they own because of all the DISCOUNT boxes GW released during 8th - the DG starter set made them start DG and/or marines, the shadow spear DISCOUNT box added more marines and started CSM armies, the forgebane DISCOUNT box had many people start necrons and admech, the renegade knights DISCOUNT box spawned knight armies all over the place, the prophecy of the wolf DISCOUNT box made many SW start orks and many orks start SW, everyone wanted the siters DISCOUNT box and of course the infamous indomitus DISCOUNT box for even more necrons and marines. The only DISCOUNT box that bombed was the eldar one, both because it was full of old models and because the DISCOUNT was not high enough.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Most armies I now have started with a DISCOUNT box of some description. If it weren't for DISCOUNT boxes, I possibly never would have gotten in to Warhammer at all. I'm sure for many folk the baseline GW prices are too absurd to buy significantly large armies without the assistance of DISCOUNT boxes.
Isn't that rather an argument for GW to keep making new, limited DISCOUNT boxes instead of keeping DISCOUNT boxes around indefinitely? I know a lot of people who have doubled the number of armies they own because of all the DISCOUNT boxes GW released during 8th - the DG starter set made them start DG and/or marines, the shadow spear DISCOUNT box added more marines and started CSM armies, the forgebane DISCOUNT box had many people start necrons and admech, the renegade knights DISCOUNT box spawned knight armies all over the place, the prophecy of the wolf DISCOUNT box made many SW start orks and many orks start SW, everyone wanted the siters DISCOUNT box and of course the infamous indomitus DISCOUNT box for even more necrons and marines. The only DISCOUNT box that bombed was the eldar one, both because it was full of old models and because the DISCOUNT was not high enough.
It's all a balance I think. They don't want DISCOUNT boxes sitting on the shelves for years, but if all the DISCOUNT boxes sell out within 5 minutes then chances are it was only bought by the most ravenous of fans, many of which might have bought it even if there wasn't a DISCOUNT box to buy it in. I don't think it benefits GW if customers see the post-DISCOUNT models on sale and feel like they're being ripped off because they 'missed' the DISCOUNT box that came earlier.
GW have more information than we do to know where that balance lies, but I don't think they're exempt from mistakes and they're always trying to push the limits of the balance.
I think GW would be well served to have a handful of DISCOUNT boxes on the go at one time. Though GW at the moment are also in the position where they can sell new models faster than they can make them, so that creates a bit of a bias too.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: It's all a balance I think. They don't want DISCOUNT boxes sitting on the shelves for years, but if all the DISCOUNT boxes sell out within 5 minutes then chances are it was only bought by the most ravenous of fans, many of which might have bought it even if there wasn't a DISCOUNT box to buy it in. I don't think it benefits GW if customers see the post-DISCOUNT models on sale and feel like they're being ripped off because they 'missed' the DISCOUNT box that came earlier.
I think a lot less people would have issues with the ork DISCOUNT box selling out, if the regular codex would just be released alongside with it and the DISCOUNT box just being the limited edition release.
GW have more information than we do to know where that balance lies, but I don't think they're exempt from mistakes and they're always trying to push the limits of the balance.
I was working for a company that is operating very similarly to GW - most likely they have a pile of data somewhere but everyone interprets differently with good portion of gut feeling. It's also not the the first time they have underestimated how numerous the or community is.
I think the discount boxes are often a way to get you to buy more than you usually would. Like from the Beastsnagga release I'm mostly only interested in the squig riders, nothing else. So it's better for me to buy the squig riders and leave the rest of it. But a big discount box tempts me into buying more stuff.
So in that sense it's not a huge loss to GW to sell them because they get bigger individual sales in a short space of time.
But it does suck if the stock is gone before people even know it's up for sale. The fact that it sold out in seconds in australia for example is poor form on GW's part and builds ill feeling, justifiably.
Personally, I didn't even try to get it, because I was on vacation and haven't even built the vast majority of Dominion minis.
If they had it available next month I would've bought it, this was I might not get any Beastsnaggas - outside maybe the shark boss - and wait for the Kommandos to be sold, as they're a more urgent "need" for my Orks. If the box was widely available with discount, getting the upsell from Codex to stylistically different subfaction for my Orks would've been a lot easier for GW.
tneva82 wrote: It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
Why sell X for 70 when you can sell X for 100?
Because, genius, there are people who will buy X for 70 and won't buy for 100. That's the whole reason behind introduction of Start Collecting by GW when their sales were crashing. Pity they seem to have forgotten that lesson and are now trying to extract cash from whales instead of building healthy base.
Using your "logic" GW should sell X for 999, think of the profit margins then!
Tyel wrote: It would be interesting to see as a consequence of Indomitus how many Necron Warriors have been sold - and those were stuck at a relatively low (for GW) £29. They are still regularly shifting for as little as half that on secondary markets.
Probably close to zero, but not thanks to Indomitus - 9th edition starter has 10 Necron Warriors and a ton of other stuff for almost the same price...
tneva82 wrote: It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.
Using your "logic" GW should sell X for 999, think of the profit margins then!
I mean, everything is getting steadily more expensive at a rapid rate, meaning GW is testing the waters for just how expensive they can make something for people to still buy.
I'll be honest, the last 3 years or so I pretty much only buy DISCOUNT boxes.
Starter Sets, Two-Player Battleboxes, Holiday Battleforces, Start Collecting! and Combat Patrol boxes. Those are my bread and butter. I have a backlog of start collecting boxes (both AoS and 40k) about 8 feet high. I buy most of the two-player boxes and holiday battleforces in twos - some of them I've gone so far as to buy in 3's. It gets frustrating sometimes because GW rarely puts the units I want/need in them, and often the same one or two units keep popping up over and over (thats how I've ended up with 10 Drukhari Venoms but 0 Raiders, and 100 Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard but 0 Kataphron Breachers/Destroyers, though I'll be picking up one of the new AdMech Combat Patrols soon enough. And yes I know there were boxes in the past that had Raiders and Kataphrons, I missed those).
Basically, if I can't buy it in a DISCOUNT bundle then I'm not going to buy it at all. That might change if I ever get to the point where I've solidly bulked out my collection via DISCOUNT boxes and only need to buy a handful of items to round out my collection for a faction, but we'll cross that bridge if we ever get there.
So the combat patrol for orks is (No pics atm, but Valrak has a vid up on youtube):
*New boyz (20)
*Mega armor warboss
*Deff koptas
*Deff Dread
First off, seems like a great deal. Mostly new models, and even the deff doesn't look bad. But the question is, will they also be released separatley?
I mused a few pages ago that if 40k still got Start Collecting sets, that maybe the boyz would be released in that. GW did that with slaves to darkness, where the kept the old plastic kit and released new warriors and horsemen in the SC. More recently, the wight king has only debuted so far in the soul blight start collecting.
I guess we'll know soon enough, since the old boyz kit will either be OOP or remain on the website. But it will suck if the only way to pick up some of the models (deff koptaz, warboss, etc) is through a 140 set, even if it is a decent deal
GaroRobe wrote: So the combat patrol for orks is (No pics atm, but Valrak has a vid up on youtube):
*New boyz (20)
*Mega armor warboss
*Deff koptas
*Deff Dread
First off, seems like a great deal. Mostly new models, and even the deff doesn't look bad. But the question is, will they also be released separatley?
I mused a few pages ago that if 40k still got Start Collecting sets, that maybe the boyz would be released in that. GW did that with slaves to darkness, where the kept the old plastic kit and released new warriors and horsemen in the SC. More recently, the wight king has only debuted so far in the soul blight start collecting.
I guess we'll know soon enough, since the old boyz kit will either be OOP or remain on the website. But it will suck if the only way to pick up some of the models (deff koptaz, warboss, etc) is through a 140 set, even if it is a decent deal
GaroRobe wrote: So the combat patrol for orks is (No pics atm, but Valrak has a vid up on youtube):
*New boyz (20)
*Mega armor warboss
*Deff koptas
*Deff Dread
First off, seems like a great deal. Mostly new models, and even the deff doesn't look bad. But the question is, will they also be released separatley?
I mused a few pages ago that if 40k still got Start Collecting sets, that maybe the boyz would be released in that. GW did that with slaves to darkness, where the kept the old plastic kit and released new warriors and horsemen in the SC. More recently, the wight king has only debuted so far in the soul blight start collecting.
I guess we'll know soon enough, since the old boyz kit will either be OOP or remain on the website. But it will suck if the only way to pick up some of the models (deff koptaz, warboss, etc) is through a 140 set, even if it is a decent deal
And how does he know that?
Its in the White Dwarf. I screenshotted it, but I'm not savvy enough with computers to upload it on dakkadakka.
That's a great Starter box, contains mostly new models and all things you'd actually want! Makes a great complement to anyone starting with the Beast Snaggas box.
The Warboss is great, never hurts to have another Dread, adding the new Koptaz is a nice touch, and 20 Boyz will make for good Skarboyz alongside the old regular Boyz kit.
Prometheum5 wrote: That's a great Starter box, contains mostly new models and all things you'd actually want! Makes a great complement to anyone starting with the Beast Snaggas box.
Or a great starter box for anyone shying away from the Snaggas on account of the fact that they are lame.
I appreciate the fact that it excludes Snaggas and provides a cost effective way to "snag" a megaboss and some nuBoyz. Will definitely pick one up if true, even if I'm not sure about the Deffkoptas. It'll be a fun box if nothing else, and I want to support GW's newfound passion for flooding us with new models all of a sudden.
Ugh, I already have 9 Deff Dreads >.< but looks like a trio of those Combat Patrols are in my future once I figure out what to do with the extra Deff Dreads
So general question that I can't seem to find an answer for anywhere so hopefully you lads can aide me.
Is the beast snaggas box coming this Saturday or next week? I can't find any answers and I need to know if I need to show up outside my LGS at 8AM to get in the queue or not.
Make sure to be there *before* the store opens. Considering how many reports of people who failed to preorder one came from the US, you might not get one if you are a few minutes late.
Jidmah wrote: Make sure to be there *before* the store opens. Considering how many reports of people who failed to preorder one came from the US, you might not get one if you are a few minutes late.
Or call the store to hold one for you if they allow it. Otherwise, you won't be a Target door warmer waiting on a Hot Wheels drop.
Jidmah wrote: Make sure to be there *before* the store opens. Considering how many reports of people who failed to preorder one came from the US, you might not get one if you are a few minutes late.
Oh I already did that ages ago. I'm number 2 in the pre-order queue. So long as they get more than one I'll be fine.
Flipped through the new codex. No Tin ’Eads and Nauts being moved to Lord of War already kills the whole thing for me. Pretty gakky to kill off a fun kulture that was introduced a year ago when just about no one could play during that year…..
Here’s hoping CSM aren’t complete ass when they finally get their update.
zend wrote: Flipped through the new codex. No Tin ’Eads and Nauts being moved to Lord of War already kills the whole thing for me. Pretty gakky to kill off a fun kulture that was introduced a year ago when just about no one could play during that year…..
Here’s hoping CSM aren’t complete ass when they finally get their update.
"Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment."
They are so High here that i am really tempted to sell my box, to fund another army
Here most are trying to get ~200€ for their box, with a surprising number of people trying to ruin prices for just the codex+cards by offering both for 20€.
Got my Snagga box today. It goes without saying that it’s overpriced for what it is, but I love the Orks and decided not to fight the hype…
The codex is okay. It still feels like they are taking shortcuts with the model range; the Big Mek with KFF is in there, but the photo shows the mega-armoured version. There are still crappy resin models for the Weirdboy and Waaagh! Banner Nob (who has lost his power law again), as well as most of the characters - and of course the Tankbustas. The Warboss is still the version without all the options, although the new mega-armoured version is there (with no weapon options - just the uge choppa). None of this is a surprise, but it emphasises what a hotchpotch the Ork range is. Strangely, the codex doesn’t feature the new Boyz models either - I expected them to be included. So it’s a bit of a missed opportunity, which seems odd considering that codexes are ultimately intended to sell models. The highlight is probably Mozrog - the model looks great.
The new models are pretty good. The squig cavalry are obviously the highlight - they look like they will be fun to build and convert. The Snagga infantry are very nicely detailed, and the detail is more robust. The weapons are especially cool. It seems to be possible to do head swaps, but the heads themselves are on the small side and the detail is a bit soft - rather like most of the ‘new’ buggy krew figures. I may try to replace most of the heads. The Nob seems a bit puny, but I assume that’s because all Snaggas are beefier than normal Orks.
A few other changes I noticed:
- Deffkoptas lost big shootas as an option, which sucks as I’d converted my AoBR models
- Kommandos get loads of options (anticipating the Kill Team models)
- Tankbusta bombs have disappeared as options for the Boyz and Kommandos
- some of the warbuggy weapons have been improved, like Kustom Boosta-Blasta’s rivet kannon. Rukkatrukks have been simplified.
Snord wrote: Got my Snagga box today. It goes without saying that it’s overpriced for what it is, but I love the Orks and decided not to fight the hype…
Given it's a discount box (by estimations a fairly hefty one at that), I don't know that overpriced reflects well on your expectations of the individual kit releases.
One for the FAQ: if I have a Mekboy Workshop, can I add a third copy of a Kustom Job to a unit if one of the other units that had that job before has since been destroyed?
Snord wrote: Got my Snagga box today. It goes without saying that it’s overpriced for what it is, but I love the Orks and decided not to fight the hype…
Hopefully you dont buy any soloboxes then if this is overpriced with like 33% discount(assuming snaggas come 20 for bss squad which is optimistic and 0 for cards) then no discount boxes make zero sense to buy
Amount of discount over bying items separately is not the only way too see the value of a bundle. If Snord feels like he is paying too much for too little, that is enough a reason for him to feel like the set is overpriced regardless of what the contents would cost separately. 155 eur for 26 models and a codex is a lot to drop at once and doesn't feel like an excellent value. Multiple smaller purchases over a longer period time is easier to justify even if they end up costing more in the long run.
I am looking forward to get my set but once again my FLGS didn't get its new releases in time. I don't think it's terribly good value but Beast Snaggas look fun to paint and regardless of high price tag this looks a good way to start collecting them.
jullevi wrote: Amount of discount over bying items separately is not the only way too see the value of a bundle. If Snord feels like he is paying too much for too little, that is enough a reason for him to feel like the set is overpriced regardless of what the contents would cost separately. 155 eur for 26 models and a codex is a lot to drop at once and doesn't feel like an excellent value. Multiple smaller purchases over a longer period time is easier to justify even if they end up costing more in the long run.
I am looking forward to get my set but once again my FLGS didn't get its new releases in time. I don't think it's terribly good value but Beast Snaggas look fun to paint and regardless of high price tag this looks a good way to start collecting them.
If 155 for 26 is bad value subjectively then I don't think paying 210 for 26 over 4/5 months somehow makes it better value, you've just tricked yourself into feeling better via cost spreading.
Of course it's fine to say "the box isn't good enough value, the miniatures cost too much". That's perfectly valid, but it's dishonest to say that paying more over a longer time is better value, its just a more managed payment method.
If 155 for 26 is bad value subjectively then I don't think paying 210 for 26 over 4/5 months somehow makes it better value, you've just tricked yourself into feeling better via cost spreading.
Of course it's fine to say "the box isn't good enough value, the miniatures cost too much". That's perfectly valid, but it's dishonest to say that paying more over a longer time is better value, its just a more managed payment method.
That is why I never claimed that buying over longer period of time was better value. I said that it's sometimes easier to justify. And like you said, it may not feel as bad.
Of course paying less is better value than paying more. But buying over longer period of time may be easier to justify and it gives the option to not buy everything that is in the bundle. It is also entirely possible that individual boxes may feel like a decent value but when added up, they don't feel like that anymore, even with discount.
It is an old truth that discount boxes exist to make us spend more, not less. I tend to fall for this more often than I would like to admit.
I love the way Dudeface quoted the whole of my post and only responded to the part about the price (typical Dakka).
I don’t think it is particularly good value for money - it’s a few sprues and a codex. It may be discounted but it looks a bit meagre when you open the box. That wasn’t really the focus of my post…
Snord wrote: I love the way Dudeface quoted the whole of my post and only responded to the part about the price (typical Dakka).
I don’t think it is particularly good value for money - it’s a few sprues and a codex. It may be discounted but it looks a bit meagre when you open the box. That wasn’t really the focus of my post…
My lazy editing on a mobile device really doesn't matter in the context of responding to your post. Appreciate the shout out though.
TBF, I balked at the cost of buying this box-set. Essentially 26 models and a codex for £125 seemed a bit too much for me, but that's probably because I'm not that interested in the beast snagga boyz models or the runtherd and together they're over half the cost of the box.
There's no way I'd shell out scalper prices for this.
A box being a bad value if you don’t want half the contents is not surprising. However, you did miss out on your chance of keeping half the box and being the scalper
There's still time for that, my local store has 3 unsold boxes up for £112.50 and a friend in my old game club is selling his copy for what he bought it for (£125) because he's just not that bothered.
Personally, scalping is not my bag. I'll leave them for a lucky fan to find.
Snord wrote: I love the way Dudeface quoted the whole of my post and only responded to the part about the price (typical Dakka).
I don’t think it is particularly good value for money - it’s a few sprues and a codex. It may be discounted but it looks a bit meagre when you open the box. That wasn’t really the focus of my post…
I’d agree with you. The box is even more disappointing when you have a look at the combat patrol box. I think of a wurrboy or had the squigasaur in I would have been a lot happier.
Has anyone had problems redeeming their code on the app? I’ve tried multiple times and it just won’t recognise the code.
Snord wrote: I love the way Dudeface quoted the whole of my post and only responded to the part about the price (typical Dakka).
I don’t think it is particularly good value for money - it’s a few sprues and a codex. It may be discounted but it looks a bit meagre when you open the box. That wasn’t really the focus of my post…
I’d agree with you. The box is even more disappointing when you have a look at the combat patrol box. I think of a wurrboy or had the squigasaur in I would have been a lot happier.
Has anyone had problems redeeming their code on the app? I’ve tried multiple times and it just won’t recognise the code.
Yes we have. It’s been leaked from either a page in the codex or white dwarf.
20 new boys, 3 new koptas, a deft dread and the new warboss in mega armour.
Just because GW unintentionally put them out doesn't mean they KEEP it out. If they put the switch to "off" again then off it stays.
They could have quickly patched the app for the leak, but I find it hard to believe they'll not let people use it at all for up to 2-3 months when they already formatted & uploaded everything in time for this month.
Probably just waiting for someone to come into the office today and remove the patch.
Regards the app, they likely don't have anything in place to have 2 simultaneous ork rulesets on the app. So either you redeem the code and get access and current subscribers using the 8th edition lose access to what are (for them) contemporary rules. Or you don't apply the changes yet and leave the 8th rules and access in place acknowledging more people will need those.
Da Big Mek has 'iz big 'ammer out and iz fixxin it now so we can go do sum krumpin!
Wot you doin faffin about wiv umee teknologee and books anyway?
Hi There!
There were a few grots in the system with the codes this weekend. The servitors over in the app team however are working on clearing them out now however, and you code will be redeemable from tomorrow (Tuesday)
Please note however that while your code will redeem, the new data will not show in the app untill the main launch later on in the year.
Happy hobbying and apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Is that the new mega armoured warboss and new Boyz?
Yes - only old thing in it is the Deff Dredd.
Ok, definitely getting one of those then. I wanted a couple of new-boyz boxes to spread around my existing mobs for variety, and I don’t actually have a plastic deff-dread so it’s all upside as far as I’m concerned. Better with FLGS discount on top of bundle box discount too.
Mr_Rose wrote: Ok, definitely getting one of those then. I wanted a couple of new-boyz boxes to spread around my existing mobs for variety, and I don’t actually have a plastic deff-dread so it’s all upside as far as I’m concerned. Better with FLGS discount on top of bundle box discount too.
NGL, that Combat Patrol box is a good enough deal that if it were on sale right now I'd be starting a new Ork army from scratch. Can buy 3 of them for under £200, and have a solid ~1500pt core with units that I like. Wouldn't necessarily be the most competitive list, but it would definitely be playable.
lol - sounds like they tried to upload the new codex then realised it would stop people from using the old one
With so much new stuff coming I hope they follow up with releases in waves soon (i.e. Aug / Sept / Oct ) rather than just one big release in say Orktober.
Anyone else notice the insert art (to separate the sprues from the books) shows Deathkorp of Krieg Rough Riders? Or that the art of the new Squig mounted SC shows Deathkorp again?
Seems IG might be in for a treat later in the year…
Anyone else notice the insert art (to separate the sprues from the books) shows Deathkorp of Krieg Rough Riders? Or that the art of the new Squig mounted SC shows Deathkorp again?
Seems IG might be in for a treat later in the year…
Anyone else notice the insert art (to separate the sprues from the books) shows Deathkorp of Krieg Rough Riders? Or that the art of the new Squig mounted SC shows Deathkorp again?
Seems IG might be in for a treat later in the year…
Huh, curious. I wonder if they are trying to make Krieg the "default" guard faction to cash in on all of the DKoK memes. They do seem to be a popular regiment.
Meanwhile the Armageddon Steel Legion feels all sad and dejected as apparently everyone has forgotten that they are supposed to be the Imperium's most iconic anti-Ork regiment.
Certainly just as No Model No Rules is a thing, so is No Models No Art.
I’m not spotting anything else in the same art - but the Codex May throw something up.
Sod it. This needs to a thread of its own.
No Models No Art isn’t a hard and fast rule these days like it was at one point. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get plastic death riders, but the art doesn’t necessarily indicate it, and there are death rider models already (resin ones).
ImAGeek wrote: I wouldn’t be surprised if we get plastic death riders, but the art doesn’t necessarily indicate it, and there are death rider models already (resin ones).
The resin range is haemorrhaging more and more sculpts; if there's not a range refresh soon, plastic Death Riders might become the only option
ImAGeek wrote: I wouldn’t be surprised if we get plastic death riders, but the art doesn’t necessarily indicate it, and there are death rider models already (resin ones).
The resin range is haemorrhaging more and more sculpts; if there's not a range refresh soon, plastic Death Riders might become the only option
Sure, my point was more ‘no model no art’ doesn’t really apply anyway, as there currently is a model.
Are there even resin death riders anymore? The artwork could have been made a while ago or show OOP models, since I think the whole DKK FW line is gone
GaroRobe wrote: Are there even resin death riders anymore? The artwork could have been made a while ago or show OOP models, since I think the whole DKK FW line is gone
There’s a few, for now at least. One in stock and a couple temporarily unavailable.
xttz wrote: NGL, that Combat Patrol box is a good enough deal that if it were on sale right now I'd be starting a new Ork army from scratch.
It it was on sale I'd have one too. I love the new Warboss mini (even if GW was boneheadedly stupid to not give it a Klaw option), 20 Boyz I can turn into slightly-bigger-Boyz (ie. Skarboyz) is a good thing, the Deffkoptas are nice, and Dreads are literally my fav unit type in 40k - any flavour, Marine, Chaos, Eldar, Ork, etc. - so another one of those is great.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, my point was more ‘no model no art’ doesn’t really apply anyway, as there currently is a model.
GW wouldn't bother doing new art for a mini that is mostly unavailable. Them in art gives us a better than good chance that we'll see a plastic kit.
Overlord Thraka wrote: So now that Beast Snaggas are out... When is the rest of it coming?
No sooner than end of August, probably split into multiple releases like they did for sisters and necrons.
We still have two AoS battletomes (Stormcast Eternals and Orruk Warclans) confirmed for pre-order in August, so I would say sometime in September may be the more likely pre-order date.
xttz wrote: NGL, that Combat Patrol box is a good enough deal that if it were on sale right now I'd be starting a new Ork army from scratch.
It it was on sale I'd have one too. I love the new Warboss mini (even if GW was boneheadedly stupid to not give it a Klaw option), 20 Boyz I can turn into slightly-bigger-Boyz (ie. Skarboyz) is a good thing, the Deffkoptas are nice, and Dreads are literally my fav unit type in 40k - any flavour, Marine, Chaos, Eldar, Ork, etc. - so another one of those is great.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, my point was more ‘no model no art’ doesn’t really apply anyway, as there currently is a model.
GW wouldn't bother doing new art for a mini that is mostly unavailable. Them in art gives us a better than good chance that we'll see a plastic kit.
No mode/no art is a thing. Sadly.
I don’t disagree that it’s likely there’s a plastic kit coming, but I’m sticking by the statement that no model no art isn’t the hard and fast rule it was a few years ago. There’s been plenty of examples, such as the above mentioned AdMech codex cover. Chaos termie with a big mace springs to mind too.
Certainly just as No Model No Rules is a thing, so is No Models No Art.
I’m not spotting anything else in the same art - but the Codex May throw something up.
Sod it. This needs to a thread of its own.
No Models No Art isn’t a hard and fast rule these days like it was at one point. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get plastic death riders, but the art doesn’t necessarily indicate it, and there are death rider models already (resin ones).
Yup. If No Models No Art was a real rule, we'd have Renegades still since they were on one of the Chaos Knights art pieces.
Overlord Thraka wrote: So now that Beast Snaggas are out... When is the rest of it coming?
No sooner than end of August, probably split into multiple releases like they did for sisters and necrons.
We still have two AoS battletomes (Stormcast Eternals and Orruk Warclans) confirmed for pre-order in August, so I would say sometime in September may be the more likely pre-order date.
Yeah AOS plus Kill Team were both confirmed for this month, so they're likely the next two previews.
There was about six weeks between the Sisters boxed set and separate codex release so I'd expect at least the same wait for Orks.
Certainly just as No Model No Rules is a thing, so is No Models No Art.
I’m not spotting anything else in the same art - but the Codex May throw something up.
Sod it. This needs to a thread of its own.
No Models No Art isn’t a hard and fast rule these days like it was at one point. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get plastic death riders, but the art doesn’t necessarily indicate it, and there are death rider models already (resin ones).
Yup. If No Models No Art was a real rule, we'd have Renegades still since they were on one of the Chaos Knights art pieces.
I'm not disagreeing; its obvious they haven't been No Art=No Model for quite some time, but could the Renegades be the traitor guard from Blackston? It's not like GW hasn't released art showing OOP models before. I haven't seen the pic in question
Those cultists are close enough to the GW/FW cultists that I wouldn't read into it too much. In general, the vast majority of the artwork is covered by a model from GW or FW, theres only a few pieces that aren't and most of those ae "close enough" to an actual model that the IP risks that led GW towards that policy aren't really applicable.
Do we think those boys are monopose with the odd option for heavy weapons and different Nob loadoouts? I cannot decide as the 8 duplicates in the picture are identically armed and identically painted so not sure if it is photoshop laziness or just indicating the limitations of the kit.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Do we think those boys are monopose with the odd option for heavy weapons and different Nob loadoouts? I cannot decide as the 8 duplicates in the picture are identically armed and identically painted so not sure if it is photoshop laziness or just indicating the limitations of the kit.
The kit will be able to build all the codex options at least. They showed shoota boyz in the studio preview.
Most recent kits have a single build for each body but then have several swappable options for arms / head / accessories so not every model is identical. I expect these to be just like Skitarii.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Do we think those boys are monopose with the odd option for heavy weapons and different Nob loadoouts? I cannot decide as the 8 duplicates in the picture are identically armed and identically painted so not sure if it is photoshop laziness or just indicating the limitations of the kit.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Do we think those boys are monopose with the odd option for heavy weapons and different Nob loadoouts? I cannot decide as the 8 duplicates in the picture are identically armed and identically painted so not sure if it is photoshop laziness or just indicating the limitations of the kit.
It sure looks like it's a limitation of the kit, sadly. 9 Boyz with the head, pose, and armament entirely locked in except an alternative heavy weapon, and a Nob with a head option and two sets of arms. This is exactly how the Beast Snagga Boyz looked in the previews and any hope of further customisability there was quickly dashed when we saw the sprue.
I have 60 of the existing Ork Boyz so I was just considering getting 10 or 20 of these to build a unit of Skarboyz. If the monopose is correct, I definitely won't be doing that.
Hope is first step to dissapointment. As gw has been doing only monoposes for years with very few exceptions(sister of battle repentia is dual pose for one) so safe bet orks would be. Thus i wasn't dissapointea as i had expected it for looong time.
Especially with gw expect worst and you won't be dissapointed. They say now first 3rd ed aos battle tomes preorder september. I'm running now on assumption they come on 25th to preorder. Thus every sunday can't be dissapointed.
Next week ork wave 2, then something, then battletomes.
GW's approach here really makes no sense to me. It's one thing when elite units you're probably only going to buy one box of are locked in to a single pose and loadout, but who's going to want to have a horde of orkz where it's the same 9 guys and a Nob spammed multiple times?
I get that in reality even the older kits didn't have exactly infinite posability, because there are still only so many angles you can pose the waist and arms at, but it was enough (especially with alternate heads available as well) to create an illusion of variety.
Edit to add: And to be clear, I'm no GW hater. The quality of the new figures is consistently amazing. I just wish they'd see that a small amount of adaptability - even just two builds per figure - goes a long way.
soviet13 wrote: GW's approach here really makes no sense to me. It's one thing when elite units you're probably only going to buy one box of are locked in to a single pose and loadout, but who's going to want to have a horde of orkz where it's the same 9 guys and a Nob spammed multiple times?
I get that in reality even the older kits didn't have exactly infinite posability, because there are still only so many angles you can pose the waist and arms at, but it was enough (especially with alternate heads available as well) to create an illusion of variety.
Edit to add: And to be clear, I'm no GW hater. The quality of the new figures is consistently amazing. I just wish they'd see that a small amount of adaptability - even just two builds per figure - goes a long way.
I guess the demand for Kromlech and Spellcrow Boyz will increase. Until now you wanted them because of a better looking upright pose, now you want them for variety and more interesting poses.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: I guess the demand for Kromlech and Spellcrow Boyz will increase. Until now you wanted them because of a better looking upright pose, now you want them for variety and more interesting poses.
Given how the new Boyz seem to be exclusive to the Start Collecting kit, and the old ones are still on sale, unlike for example, the Battlewagon or the Deffkopta, i assume the old Boyz kit is here to stay, just like the old Chaos Warrios after the relase of the new ones.
Shoutout to the Rockgut Troggoths box, 3 fixed pairs of legs but 12 arms, 9 heads, everything fits with everything else, and each arm comes with its whole half of the shoulders and back, so the musculature even looks natural in all combinations too.
There were a lot of people myself included who warned of the lack of customisation, increased cost etc. and yet people were largely in favour of "old boyz are old, gimme new ones". This is sadly the price to be paid for that.
Same away anyone wanting other core horde infantry refreshes, brace yourselves. 12 termagants won't be £20, they'll be 10 for £28.50. Guard saw this happen loosely with the shock trooper variety sprue, but there's no way that krieg kit is coming in under £30 as a guess.
if this is overpriced with like 33% discount(assuming snaggas come 20 for bss squad which is optimistic and 0 for cards) then no discount boxes make zero sense to buy
