Avatar 720 wrote:If it was an additional effect of something like a strike of energy, i'd be fine with it, but as it stands it's a bit of an underwhelming shout to me.
Spoiler:
"We did it! We figured out how to kill the dragons!" "How?" "We make them land!" "Why not just shoot them with arrows like we normally do?" "...Shut up."
Considering that it took an entire race's hatred to make, you think they could've come up with something more damaging than a forced landing.
Spoiler:
I heard Dragonrend and expected it to rip the fething dragon apart. But no.
It still works out for me (A DPS fighter) but sucks for everyone else, probably.
Iur_tae_mont wrote:Argonians are in short supply. Prolly too cold.
I've seen a lot of Khajiit caravans (or maybe just one Khajiit caravan a lot of times) and of course there's M'aiq the Liar.
I think there's an Argonian in Solitude that wants you to do something seedy for him, but my first paythrough is with a good character so I didn't inquire further.
Yeah, I've seen him. I'm pretty sure he wants you to put out the light in a lighthouse.
Yeah, you put out the lighthouse and then bad begets bad. I hate fighting dragons in a town mainly because they land on the roofs and just laugh at you as you pathetically try to hit them with your sword.
Found my first Dragon Priest in Shearstone(?) and got steam rolled mainly because I was wearing light armor(thieves guild quests and I was using it as a waypoint).
@Karon, yeah there are different stories concerning Whiterun but considering the story leading up to Skyrim, Skyrim's independence will most likely be the canon.
On a side note, does anyone know if the companions are deemed "important" NPC's after their questline? I plan to murder them all after all is said and done.
halonachos wrote:Yeah, you put out the lighthouse and then bad begets bad. I hate fighting dragons in a town mainly because they land on the roofs and just laugh at you as you pathetically try to hit them with your sword.
Found my first Dragon Priest in Shearstone(?) and got steam rolled mainly because I was wearing light armor(thieves guild quests and I was using it as a waypoint).
@Karon, yeah there are different stories concerning Whiterun but considering the story leading up to Skyrim, Skyrim's independence will most likely be the canon.
On a side note, does anyone know if the companions are deemed "important" NPC's after their questline? I plan to murder them all after all is said and done.
Oh that reminds me, I killed my first Dragon Priest yesterday... Got lots of nice loot... BUT... Lydia died... So.... I looted her corpse, and sold the armor I made for her...
Chowderhead wrote:What is it with everyone's fetish for Lydia? Seriously?
I use Farkas, and my god, he's amazing.
She's a pain in the butt, and I'm far more efficient at what I do than she is... I use her like someone would use the mule in Dungeon Siege... She carries what I cannot... Also I have not come across any other companions other than her...
Chowderhead wrote:What is it with everyone's fetish for Lydia? Seriously?
I use Farkas, and my god, he's amazing.
Does this "Farkas" fellow have boobs? I thought not.
Yeah, that's what I was worried about.
BTW, I always play a Female Nord in TES games, so we got mammories covered in my party.
You can never have too many boobs.
Which is why I have dreams where I am Maharaja Iur'tae'Mont,and women with four breasts feed me Ding-Dongs. There are no other men, except Phil Donahue and we feed him to the Lizard people.
I love that they put more information about the Elder Scrolls into Skyrim. I always thought they were just history written down by monks that had never understood the concept of Proper lighting when reading.
Nope. Turns out they went blind reading them and they have always been written. They contain knowledge of every possible future and every possible Past.
TheWildHost wrote:Yeah, I like lydia and all, but I think I am going to replace her.
Anybody play on Xbox live, my friends don't like to play and talk while playing.
Yeah, I can't deal with people talking on my newest character. If they're talking, I can't hear, and if I can't hear, I don't know what to murder next. I'd probably whip around at the sound of my follower's voice and put an arrow in their throat.
Soladrin wrote:Never used a follower unless it was required for a quest. Lydia got sacrificed anyway.
Same here. I play a stealth-heavy character, so companions that tend to run ahead like maniacs and stop me from one-shotting everything just make my life harder.
Seriously, using the Blade of Woe + Dark Brotherhood Gloves + Stealth Perk = damn near 800 damage on a backstab. I have no problems fighting anything unless I have a game-enforced companion with me at the time.
Is it bad that I'm exploiting the system by getting my Sneak up to 100 by standing in a cave with a blind guy, facing the wall behind him, sneaking and pressing autowalk, then leaving my computer for a few hours?
That is pretty bad, but not as bad in a fun way as it is to max out lock picking by taking the skill to be undetected and unlock every house in the town you go to.
Lydia guards Breezehome for me, I was using her a lot at the start, but she was becoming a crutch. In the sense I would redo a fight if she died, and all she was really doing was carrying rubbish for me.
Seems more appropriate to be guarding the house, wife is there as well.
I've used other companions, but they have either died, that aggressive lass from the Inn in Whiterun died with an arrow in the eye, a cocky mage I hired fell foul of a Dragon etc, but each time they die I'm left with a annoying overencumbered run back to a town, back to their body etc to sell everything. So of late I've not been using them.
Still find it amusing when they die and you get their housekey, the game treats their house as yours.
If you have raise dead, you can raise the corpse of someone, load them up with equipment as a mule, port back to a town and they will despawn at the gate dropping all the loot
I'm using Lydia atm with a nasty two hander and shes fairly devastating (level 20 only btw) but I agree with Morathi on fights where she dies I always reset which can be a pain.
I've befriended a few mages in the college. Are they worth taking as companions?
Is there a way of porting out of a dungeon half way through? I ran out of arrows lastnight mid way and it was quite annoying. In Morrowind there was a recall spell.
Soladrin wrote:Never used a follower unless it was required for a quest. Lydia got sacrificed anyway.
Same here. I play a stealth-heavy character, so companions that tend to run ahead like maniacs and stop me from one-shotting everything just make my life harder.
Seriously, using the Blade of Woe + Dark Brotherhood Gloves + Stealth Perk = damn near 800 damage on a backstab. I have no problems fighting anything unless I have a game-enforced companion with me at the time.
Same, the followers drive me bonkers, setting off traps, alerting everyone within 8 miles and other nonsensical stuff.
I intend to go through as a mage or heavy armour next time and have one, but for now, my anti social antics are hindered by them.
Does anyone have any good tips on magic resistance? I'm wearing ebony armour and with a shield, so I can get hit by normal weapons until the cows come home, but I can't count the number of times I have been machine-gunned to death by Ice spells and the like!
Oh I'm pure warrior, and I still don't take them. Mostly because if just one of my attacks hits them they get rocketed away. (my damage is now high enough to sometimes mimic giants).
Training 2handed weapons now, Volendrung is a fun weapon, which I'm using purely for the hell of it, cause my own forged hammer is actually better.
Regular dragons now die from regular hit. Frost 2 hits, Blood 1 power attack, Blood dragons 2 power attacks.
This game is way to easy.
Achievement progress is also good, only need to do thiefs guild and brotherhood for quest related achievements. Then the level 50 one, and pickpocketing and I'm about done.
Got 50 skill books yesterday, got 20 shouts learned, got all 15 deadric artifacts, got about 100 dragonsouls out of boredom, and I'm at 95k gold. Horay.
@pacific, pots can work well vs magic, there are lots of +resist potions you can get.
Also there is a low level spell in the.....alteration tree(?) called barrier which absorbs magic attacks. Not sure how useful it would be at high levels without upgrades but you can get it from Winterhold college very early on. Worth a look.
@pacific, pots can work well vs magic, there are lots of +resist potions you can get.
Also there is a low level spell in the.....alteration tree(?) called barrier which absorbs magic attacks. Not sure how useful it would be at high levels without upgrades but you can get it from Winterhold college very early on. Worth a look.
Been playing on master for the last 20 levels Lvl 45 now.
Pacific wrote:Does anyone have any good tips on magic resistance? I'm wearing ebony armour and with a shield, so I can get hit by normal weapons until the cows come home, but I can't count the number of times I have been machine-gunned to death by Ice spells and the like!
If you don't rely too heavily on magic, switch to the Atronach Stone. 50% resist, if I recall. If you do use magic, get the Lord Stone. 50 Armor and 25% resist.
Between those and some decent resist magic enchantments, you can get 100% magic resist.
If your hate extends to Shadowmere, I'll cut you down where you stand.
Anyway, what was everyone's favorite questline? Mine is a tossup between the DB and Thieves Guild. The DB line was like the Thieves Guild in Oblivion; slow start, grandiose finish. The TG this time around wasn't as epic, but it was still pretty entertaining.
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
I felt the College quests were all boring however
What irks me is that the College quests had the potential to be completely awesome. I have no idea why they didn't take it further, exploring the Psijic Order and the Eye of Magnus more.
I felt that it was really rushed, and the eye and the Order were just forced additions because you never hear about either again
And if you didnt know arcano was going to be the bad guy return your game. I dislike how all thalmor are 100% badguys because THEY ARE ELVES!!!1!!!
It would have been way cooler if he turned out to be good and someone from the college was the evil guy
You challenge me!? Fine, I shall be your Fo! En garde!
I'm smiling because I know something you don't know
So Su me.
You broke what could have been an awsome retort on my part
Back on topic again:
Why is going inside Azura's Star so frakkin difficult I get killed by the first daedra I encounter. Fireballs are frakkin overpowered. Now i need to get some anti-fire protection.
I can't find the best level smith in Skyrim. Which city is he in? I need some training.
Grey Templar wrote:
Why is going inside Azura's Star so frakkin difficult I get killed by the first daedra I encounter. Fireballs are frakkin overpowered. Now i need to get some anti-fire protection.
I can't find the best level smith in Skyrim. Which city is he in? I need some training.
Magic hurts, period. Even throwing some low level resist enchants on your gear can make a world of difference.
Eorlund Grey-Mane at the Skyforge in Whiterun is your man for smithing. He's up behind where the Companion's mead hall is. (Jorvasskr?)
I found him. Although I actually think the guy in Riften is better cause Eorlund doesn't train me. and the guy in riften had a better selection of equipment.
Alfndrate wrote:You can always follow him to work one morning.
I've never seen Eorlund not at the Skyforge.
I'll go up there at 3 a.m. and he's still hammering away.
I've walked out and up through town, and he's on his way to the skyforge... I actually trained all on my own because he was rarely at the forge in my game...
Getting a spouse? Go to the Riften inn, talk to the preacher of Mara about getting married and with one of the conversation lines you can ask him if you can buy an amulet of mara for 200 gold.
Wear said amulet, find an eligible spouse (male or female, but only certain ones, i'll find a link telling you who is eligible), talk to them whilst wearing the amulet and if they like you enough and aren't bound by a storyline
Spoiler:
the companions aren't eligible until you become their leader, for example
then there's a conversation option about marriage, simply go through that and you become engaged.
Go back to the preacher in riften, arrange the marriage, get married, ask the spouse to move in with you and he/she (not married to a 'he' yet, so unsure about them but I assume it's the same) opens a small shop based in your house, where you can collect 100 gold profit per day.
Tbh I dont understand this whole marriage thing as it somewhat resembles Fable in a sence. To quote Yahtzee " the ability to marry random NPCs is just fannying about".
If however an NPC was part of a storyline or somebody who actually has some form of character, like Astrid from the Dark Brotherhood, then I would consider marrying them.
This just might be my opinion but it seems that love is the hardest emotion to covey from a computer screen to the player, all other emotions seem to be alot easier. Take the Dark Brotherhood questline for example:
Spoiler:
When the assassination of the Emporer(fake) is complete and you escape and are confronted by Maro, there was immediate hatred towards him. Then after cleaning up the sanctuary you find that Astrid was the traitor but had seen what she had done was wrong, I was angry, upset and now had a reason for some more blood to be spilled. Lets just say when the opertunity yo kill Maro arrived I didnt hesitate. I was so filled with joy as I watched his head roll slowly into the water.
I thought it was funny when i did the same thing, but not funny that the guards could care less that i did what you said in the spoiler. On an interesting note on what you were saying about emotions though any other DB mission i was very careful not to do murders with witnesses but when i seen Maro on the docks i did not hesitate for a second.
So I completed the quest where I "took care of a guy" for the little kid that mistook me for the Dark Brotherhood. a few days later (real life days) I was running around, trying to get to Nazrulbar, when this guy comes up and hands me a letter saying "we know" and a hand print... I was so frakking confused, so I asked my buddy if he encountered it, he said it was the start to the db quests...
I looked at him, and said well how do I initiate that? He told me to sleep... I don't sleep, since my werewolf powers prevent any bonus from sleeping, so I just stay awake all day every day.
I have yet to sleep since getting the note... Should I do it nor not...
Alfndrate wrote:So I completed the quest where I "took care of a guy" for the little kid that mistook me for the Dark Brotherhood. a few days later (real life days) I was running around, trying to get to Nazrulbar, when this guy comes up and hands me a letter saying "we know" and a hand print... I was so frakking confused, so I asked my buddy if he encountered it, he said it was the start to the db quests...
I looked at him, and said well how do I initiate that? He told me to sleep... I don't sleep, since my werewolf powers prevent any bonus from sleeping, so I just stay awake all day every day.
I have yet to sleep since getting the note... Should I do it nor not...
If you want to start the DB then yeah...
If not, sleep anyway and kill everything to get the quest to slaughter the Dark Brotherhood...
I don't have anything against them, other than the fact they sent an assassin after me, who died to an Ice Breath
I might do it just for the 20k gold reward at the end... But then again, I'm not very stealthy.... I'm more likely to run in there in my heavy armor, and "stealthily" give an axe to the face...
Alfndrate wrote:I don't have anything against them, other than the fact they sent an assassin after me, who died to an Ice Breath
I might do it just for the 20k gold reward at the end... But then again, I'm not very stealthy.... I'm more likely to run in there in my heavy armor, and "stealthily" give an axe to the face...
Meh, that's how Arnbjorn and the Orc in Oblivion did in.
Festus Krex walks up, introduces himself, and then roasts them alive.
The DB really doesn't have a standard MO. Not as long as the target dies and you get away.
Alfndrate wrote:I don't have anything against them, other than the fact they sent an assassin after me, who died to an Ice Breath
I might do it just for the 20k gold reward at the end... But then again, I'm not very stealthy.... I'm more likely to run in there in my heavy armor, and "stealthily" give an axe to the face...
You can actually sneak in heavy armor. You need a little more skill in it, but its not impossable.
Alternativly, just put on the Shrouded Boots. they help you sneak and you can wear the rest of your suit no problem.
So earlier today skyrim was running fine yet about an hour ago I came home to find that after about a minute of gameplay the game would crash to desktop.
Every, single, time.
I've verified game caches, defragmented, ran as administrator and put it on the lowest graphical settings yet after a minute or two of smooth gameplay it just closes to desktop (the new characters load point is at the first three standing stones and I can defeat the wolves that ALWAYS spawn on the way to riverwood and take a few steps before it dies).
There is one place for me that it does it every single time no matter what i did, good thing i have like 500 saves so i just reloaded. It was in one of the mountain passes in the south iirc.
corpsesarefun wrote:So earlier today skyrim was running fine yet about an hour ago I came home to find that after about a minute of gameplay the game would crash to desktop.
Every, single, time.
I've verified game caches, defragmented, ran as administrator and put it on the lowest graphical settings yet after a minute or two of smooth gameplay it just closes to desktop (the new characters load point is at the first three standing stones and I can defeat the wolves that ALWAYS spawn on the way to riverwood and take a few steps before it dies).
By the way, the 4gb patch fixed none of my problems with crashes, it doesn't seem to have altered anything about the game except that the intermittent freezes I get are significantly longer and more frequent.
corpsesarefun wrote:So earlier today skyrim was running fine yet about an hour ago I came home to find that after about a minute of gameplay the game would crash to desktop.
Every, single, time.
I've verified game caches, defragmented, ran as administrator and put it on the lowest graphical settings yet after a minute or two of smooth gameplay it just closes to desktop (the new characters load point is at the first three standing stones and I can defeat the wolves that ALWAYS spawn on the way to riverwood and take a few steps before it dies).
Any idea's?
Deathshead420 wrote:There is one place for me that it does it every single time no matter what i did, good thing i have like 500 saves so i just reloaded. It was in one of the mountain passes in the south iirc.
I was also crashing in a mountain pass in the south, maybe even the same one, also I was crashing when busting down the wall in the mage's guild quest. I found this guys patch on pirate bay and it fixed all my crashing woes
Now here's a puzzling question for any other good guys in Skyrim
Spoiler:
To kill or not to Kill (Parthanax)? That is the question.
He was Alduin's right hand during the dragon wars, but helped the mortals during the latter part of the war(and helped you fight Alduin), and have been teaching the Greybeards the way of the voice.
I'm thinking the good guy thing to do is spare Parthanax, since he has helped a lot, but does that excuse him for what he did before he turned over the new leaf?
Grey Templar wrote:And is it just me, or has the legion actually downgraded their armor?
They used to have full plate, now they wear whimpier suits largely made of leather.
I would imagine it's not only cheaper, but a lot more functional when you are maneuvering around the Terrain in Skyrim, compared to the flatlands of Cyrodill.
I could see a light regiment wearing the leather, but you think the Line troops and the Pentius Occulatus would have the heaviest armor avaliable. they wouldn't be crawling around in the hills and such, they just have to conduct frontal assaults and guard fortresses. that doesn't require lighter armor that allows for mobility.
It seems like the Guards in all the holds and the Stormcloaks have heavier armor then the legion. Full head protection, chain-mail, and the leather padding to keep out the cold and stray nicks.
Maybe this is just me, but I've been getting a vibe that the reason the Empire's armor is made of cheaper materials probably has to do with the fact that In Oblivion, the Imperial Legion was pretty much glorified city watchmen. Since they were not in wartime, they had more resources to use when making armor for the Legionaries. Now they are equipping more men (for the fronts in Skyrim and for the Inevitable round two with the Thalmor), they have to find a way to equip all of the Legionaries.
corpsesarefun wrote:So earlier today skyrim was running fine yet about an hour ago I came home to find that after about a minute of gameplay the game would crash to desktop.
Every, single, time.
I've verified game caches, defragmented, ran as administrator and put it on the lowest graphical settings yet after a minute or two of smooth gameplay it just closes to desktop (the new characters load point is at the first three standing stones and I can defeat the wolves that ALWAYS spawn on the way to riverwood and take a few steps before it dies).
Any idea's?
Update, I tried to update my graphics drivers (which are out of date) and the update crashes when trying to install the nvidia controller.
For some reason this means that NOTHING recognises my graphics card anymore and I can't play any games -.-
I hate Dwarven Ruins, I went into Mzulft for the College of Winterhold quest, and I hated every minute. It wasn't hard or anything, but I just got this eerie vibe while I was down there, probably had to do with the fact that there are no more dwarves in Skyrim (that I've seen).
Also, why do Falmar need torches and other such sources of light? You'd think that with their society those would just be a hazard.
Alfndrate wrote:I hate Dwarven Ruins, I went into Mzulft for the College of Winterhold quest, and I hated every minute. It wasn't hard or anything, but I just got this eerie vibe while I was down there, probably had to do with the fact that there are no more dwarves in Skyrim (that I've seen).
Also, why do Falmar need torches and other such sources of light? You'd think that with their society those would just be a hazard.
Falmer don't use torches. They use naturally occurring glowing mushrooms.
But yeah, the whole being blind thing isn't represented very well. If they are blind, why do they have ranged spells and archers? And how the hell are they so damned accurate?
The thing I hate about Dwemer ruins is that the machinery never stops. The clanging, the sliding of metal, the hissing of steam... sometimes it's hard to hear the enemies over the sound of it, and they can get the jump on you.
I think they're gonna cycle through more of the provinces before that. Maybe set the next one in Elsewyr or Black Marsh, since those places have been setup with some of the novels and fluff.
Or, alternately, set it in Summerset Isle, and you're destined to either destroy the Thalmer or raise them to become the ultimate power in Cyrodiil.
Also, you can go to Mzuleft again? I thought that was on the eastern side of Vvardenfell...
And as far as I know, there's no Dwemer left anywhere in Cyrodiil. The last one was that Corprus-y dude in Tel Fyr's Corprusarium.
Alfndrate wrote:I hate Dwarven Ruins, I went into Mzulft for the College of Winterhold quest, and I hated every minute. It wasn't hard or anything, but I just got this eerie vibe while I was down there, probably had to do with the fact that there are no more dwarves in Skyrim (that I've seen).
Also, why do Falmar need torches and other such sources of light? You'd think that with their society those would just be a hazard.
Falmer don't use torches. They use naturally occurring glowing mushrooms.
But yeah, the whole being blind thing isn't represented very well. If they are blind, why do they have ranged spells and archers? And how the hell are they so damned accurate?
I thought I saw torches last night... I know there were mushrooms, but I'm pretty sure I caught a torch or two
Also, it would be awesome to take those bloody Thalmor down a peg or two.
thenoobbomb wrote:
For the grenades, ask Ulfric.
Im sure he has some for you.
Ugh, talk to Ulfric?
I can't stand the sound of his Voice.
Spoiler:
Bad pun is bad
I actually think he sounds pretty good. I like the varity that Skyrim has in their voice and facial appearence distribution. Oblivion was really annoying, it seemed like there were only about 4 varients in each races appearence. I swear the seriously overused the face that Uriel and Marten had. ugg, it was frakkin everywhere.
I'll be someone's best friend if they can help me to copy Kharjo's face
Wish I had a pic of him in the day time. Is there some way on the computer to tell exactly what he has set for his face?
Edit: Since you can only marry people you impress by your actions, I'm guessing Khajiit are just not impressed by someone that can fight Dragons one on one.
I think there are just some characters that you can't marry period.
Lots of people won't even have a conversation with you, they just say something without the conversation diologue box even popping up. No interactivity beyond that.
I am gonna start Skyrim and im unsure as to what class/race etc I should go for.
Now, Ive played Morrowind before so I know about the races and what they're good at. Now I'll be fairly noobish in the beginning so I need to know which race is the most noob friendly, and which perks I need to upgrade etc. Also does it matter what side you join?
There are no classes. you just upgrade abilities as you want them.
As for races, it really doesn't matter who you pick, although being a Nord is nice because of the 50% Frost resistance. Frost Dragons are really tough. The abilities pretty much balance out and there isn't any race that has an advantage.
If you havn't played any Elder Scrolls games since morrowwind you might not be very familiar with the way the game runs. it changed significantly from Oblivion.
Magic is super powerful in this game. I think they waaay overcompensated from Oblivion where magic was kinda meh.
Also the ways the Signs work is different, and some of the Greater Powers (based on Race, now) are different, such as the Dunmer's Ancestor Guardian now lights yourself on fire, instead of summoning an ancestor ghost. Prolly has something to do with how Vvardenfel was annihilated.
and i was not impressed at all. I'm a bethesda fan but i smell unfinished/rushed main quest. That being said the game is still great but the end was lacking. Where is my parade? Where is my reward? Where is my powerful item?
Also that potion that Esabern {sp} gives you what perk is that? I cant find it and it still says to bring him scales and bones?
Grey Templar wrote:I think there are just some characters that you can't marry period.
Lots of people won't even have a conversation with you, they just say something without the conversation diologue box even popping up. No interactivity beyond that.
I am gonna start Skyrim and im unsure as to what class/race etc I should go for.
Now, Ive played Morrowind before so I know about the races and what they're good at. Now I'll be fairly noobish in the beginning so I need to know which race is the most noob friendly, and which perks I need to upgrade etc. Also does it matter what side you join?
I have found that Bretons are superior as far as spellcasters go. The high elves have higher magic which is fine, but you fight so many enemies that cast spells or deal magic damage (dragons for instance) that the Breton's passive and activated powers are just too good to pass up. Realistically however, you do not need the passive abilities of any class to get through the game, so I would just use whatever race you prefer. You will want to play through the game several times so you can experience all the sides of the game.
So.. it's possible to get every achievement on one character. Just need 1 more lvl up for 50, and become guildmaster with the thieves guild and I'm done.
I've gone though all the different faction quest lines except now I just have to join the stormcloaks (I'll do imperial on a 2nd character some day) and then finish the main quest line.
But most of this weekend when I was playing, I decided to just hop on Shadowmere and have Mjoll the Lioness Wifepackmule follow around with her epic ebony armor and massive warhammer. And then we just wandered around. Ended up finding all kinds of fun stuff, dunegons and dragons I never though I'd find, a lot bunch of different shouts I never knew existed. There's a whole world of stuff out there waiting for you to find.
I'm level 47 now. or 48? The game's been a life sucker since the day it came out, now I think I want to just finish up those last 2 quest lines and then get my life back.
Anvildude wrote:I'm betting they're protected by the 'Important Person' thing they had in Oblivion, where they just fall down until their health regenerates.
They should have kept that out. It worked out in Fallout: New Vegas and it worked out in Morrowind.
Anvildude wrote:I'm betting they're protected by the 'Important Person' thing they had in Oblivion, where they just fall down until their health regenerates.
Just have that little message "You have killed an important NPC. Without this person you cannot complete the main (or side) quest. Do you wish to re-start from your last save?"
Yeah but with the AI as it is in Skyim half the quests would go unfinished since their key characters would be lying dead in dungeons across Skyrim with arrows in thier backs or burn/frost/scorch marks or slashed/crushed bodies... all because they would stay back and let you handle it...
purplefood wrote:Yeah but with the AI as it is in Skyim half the quests would go unfinished since their key characters would be lying dead in dungeons across Skyrim with arrows in thier backs or burn/frost/scorch marks or slashed/crushed bodies... all because they would stay back and let you handle it...
I am with the General and the Legate in Ulfric's Palace. They talk, we fight(well I fight and the General and Legate watch), I kick both Goldar's and Ulfric's asses, but the quest doesn't register saying so. We all just stay locked in the palace. the Stormcloaks on their knees and the Imperials looking at the carpet with weapons drawn.
I sided with the Imperials because the nords are ridiculously short sighted and racist, gleefully killed Ulfric and his big mate, and completed the story arc.
But his body is STILL slumped half over the throne in Solitude weeks later, and the new Jarl just sorta.. sits on his face and casually talks to me.
I sided with the Imperials because the nords are ridiculously short sighted and racist, gleefully killed Ulfric and his big mate, and completed the story arc.
But his body is STILL slumped half over the throne in Solitude weeks later, and the new Jarl just sorta.. sits on his face and casually talks to me.
So they say the game is different depending on the race you choose and decisions you make.. but how different is it? Likeyou have your dark brotherhood, thieves guild, companions, etc.. Won't those quests all be pretty much the same either way? And you can join the stormcloaks or imperials, but other than that what's really different?
Or is it just a handful of side quests, and a few different guard 1-liners like "You're a stinky dark elf" instead of "you're a stinky breton"?
Necros wrote:So they say the game is different depending on the race you choose and decisions you make.. but how different is it? Likeyou have your dark brotherhood, thieves guild, companions, etc.. Won't those quests all be pretty much the same either way? And you can join the stormcloaks or imperials, but other than that what's really different?
Or is it just a handful of side quests, and a few different guard 1-liners like "You're a stinky dark elf" instead of "you're a stinky breton"?
Yeah, they just say different things. Like if you complete the quest Taste of Death some guards will say:
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Ugh, your breath smells terrible. What have you been eating?
Nerivant wrote:I've noticed that nothing indoors re or despawns. Not even plants in some of the houses you can get, which sort of defeats the purpose.
It also produces some really weird moments. I returned to Makarth days, maybe even a week, after helping with a certain prison escape, only to see the bodies of guards still scattered across the ground. I mean, I get leaving dead foresworn on the ground as a warning to the others, but you've left fellow guards were they died. They were your friends, maybe even your family, and you just walk past their decaying corpses, without even looking down. You don't even seem to mind when I loot them.
What is wrong with you people?
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JohnnoM wrote:Is it true that theres one questline were you arent the dragonborn?
I had one guard say that after some serious thinking on the issue, he thinks maybe he is the dragonborn.
It also produces some really weird moments. I returned to Makarth days, maybe even a week, after helping with a certain prison escape, only to see the bodies of guards still scattered across the ground. I mean, I get leaving dead foresworn on the ground as a warning to the others, but you've left fellow guards were they died. They were your friends, maybe even your family, and you just walk past their decaying corpses, without even looking down. You don't even seem to mind when I loot them.
What is wrong with you people?
No no. Far more important, is that the bodies aren't rotting! I conducted a study of corpses of guards and thieves in Riften and Markarth and my research suggests that no one in Skyrim ever decays! Even after months! I sense black magics at work here
EDIT: Though, why grave robbing and stealing off corpses isn't a crime is a little odd. I'm sure we've all murdered someone here and there, just to stand up, have a guard say hi and watch us take everything of worth off the victim.
LordofHats wrote:No no. Far more important, is that the bodies aren't rotting! I conducted a study of corpses of guards and thieves in Riften and Markarth and my research suggests that no one in Skyrim ever decays! Even after months! I sense black magics at work here
Maybe they took the time to embalm the corpse, and they'll totally get around to moving it later
EDIT: Though, why grave robbing and stealing off corpses isn't a crime is a little odd. I'm sure we've all murdered someone here and there, just to stand up, have a guard say hi and watch us take everything of worth off the victim.
Even when it's a case of looting corpses I didn't kill. I remember killing that first dragon outside the watchtower, and while everyone is saying I'm such a great hero I'm taking stuff from the corpse of every soldier
"Mmm, yep, uh huh, it's possible I could be the dragonborn, a warrior of great destiny here to blah de blah, ooh look this one had a gem on him!"
JohnnoM wrote:Is it true that theres one questline were you arent the dragonborn?
IMO is seems you wouldnt be the Dragonborn if you dont go any further than the watchtower quest as nobody has seen you take the soul of a dragon so therefore you cant be Dragonborn.
EDIT: Spelling. Early morning typing doest go well for me.
I had to assassinate someone for the DB in the whiterun castle.. he was just some guy sitting there eating in front of the jarl and an arrow to the back of the head was all it took. It took like a whole game month for the jarl's men to remove the body. Every time I went there to talk to a NPC or use the enchanter station, I'd here someone in the other room be like "Who did this?!" or "OMG WTF" and stuff. I mean, don't ya think they guy would start to stink after a few days?
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mattyrm wrote:But his body is STILL slumped half over the throne in Solitude weeks later, and the new Jarl just sorta.. sits on his face and casually talks to me.
Don't let him get cheeky with you.
Anyone else find their detsro/resto character way OTT? I stopped at level 16 and restarted as a dual wielding stealth character, which is at least somewhat challenging.
Manchu wrote:
Anyone else find their detsro/resto character way OTT? I stopped at level 16 and restarted as a dual wielding stealth character, which is at least somewhat challenging.
I stopped my destruction / conjuration mage to play a stealth character.
It got to the point where I just had to summon two storm atronachs and then sit back and relax.
Walked up to a keep and saw a necromancer, about to attack her and a dragon attacks. I start fighting the dragon and so does the necro. While fighting, I fall off a cliff (didn't die) walked back up the hill just as the necro kills the dragon, I get the xp and the soul. Then I kill the necro.
Second one: I was at the one town w/ the spider infested mine, can't remember the name. I walk into town as a dragon starts attacking. It flies around attacking as normal and it disappears behind a building and then out of no where, a swarm of spiders and wolves start attacking the town. Is that supposed to happen or is it some weird bug?
Maybe it's just me but I think there was some balancing done too.. had an ancient dragon fall on my head last night and I burned through like 30 potions just to stay alive. I tried hacking and slashing and he was killing me in 2 hits (at level 48) when just over the weekend the same kinda dragon died quick & easy.
Aside from some tough fights like that one, the game still seems pretty much on EZMode with the stealth/bow build I did. If I do another play through I'll probably go for a pure tank type.
brotherskeeper74 wrote:I had two things happen that made me go huh?
Walked up to a keep and saw a necromancer, about to attack her and a dragon attacks. I start fighting the dragon and so does the necro. While fighting, I fall off a cliff (didn't die) walked back up the hill just as the necro kills the dragon, I get the xp and the soul. Then I kill the necro.
Second one: I was at the one town w/ the spider infested mine, can't remember the name. I walk into town as a dragon starts attacking. It flies around attacking as normal and it disappears behind a building and then out of no where, a swarm of spiders and wolves start attacking the town. Is that supposed to happen or is it some weird bug?
I've noticed dragons seeming to aggro half the world on the fly bys, then when it dies or flies off, the aggro'd creatures turn on the closest targets, sometimes mid fight....it's quite funny watching horses kick them to death.
I was strolling down a road in Hjaalmarch with my "companion" when a giant & mammoth rushed upon me. At first, I gak my archmage robes. I had steered clear of giants since being crushed early-game on the field west of Whiterun. But then I remembered I was wearing archmage robes and decided to drive paralysis-inducing ice spikes into the great oaf. Suddenly, a dragon landed on top of me and started on the mammoth. But my horse killed the mammoth so the dragon turned to me. At that point, the giant was at half health so I flung ice at the dragon. I was getting a bit worried when, seemingly out of nowhere, some Khajit I had helped appeared and went to town on the dragon. It was that cat that asked me to find his moon amulet. A minute or so later, I was absorbing dragon soul while putting the final ice spike into the giant. That was a close one, thought I, and yet it was not over. The Khajit proceeded to get in my face. I "sheathed my weapon" (put my hands in my pockets?) but the formerly friendly kitties were having none of it. So I was forced to murder them and I took Garfield's moon amulet, so lately returned to him by yours truly, as a keepsake.
I believe this is what the Nords call a clusterfeth.
Manchu wrote:I was strolling down a road in Hjaalmarch with my "companion" when a giant & mammoth rushed upon me. At first, I gak my archmage robes. I had steered clear of giants since being crushed early-game on the field west of Whiterun. But then I remembered I was wearing archmage robes and decided to drive paralysis-inducing ice spikes into the great oaf. Suddenly, a dragon landed on top of me and started on the mammoth. But my horse killed the mammoth so the dragon turned to me. At that point, the giant was at half health so I flung ice at the dragon. I was getting a bit worried when, seemingly out of nowhere, some Khajit I had helped appeared and went to town on the dragon. It was that cat that asked me to find his moon amulet. A minute or so later, I was absorbing dragon soul while putting the final ice spike into the giant. That was a close one, thought I, and yet it was not over. The Khajit proceeded to get in my face. I "sheathed my weapon" (put my hands in my pockets?) but the formerly friendly kitties were having none of it. So I was forced to murder them and I took Garfield's moon amulet, so lately returned to him by yours truly, as a keepsake.
I believe this is what the Nords call a clusterfeth.
Stupid area effect attacks, they always get me in trouble.
I was in Dawnstar and it was under dragon attack. Being the helpful sort of chap I decide to kill the dragon. I think this would be a wonderful time to try out Storm Call.
Apparently Storm Call attacks everything in the vicinity, including my horse Fortunantly I only ended up with 140 bounty, but it was real disappointing. A cool shout I can't use if there are friends aroun.
Well, after the second (Lydia died first time) attack on Fort Greenwall (I say attack, I mean trying to time my strikes so that after the screen freezes and lag that plagued the assault, I might actually hit something), having told Lydia to wait and then being attacked by a dragon, so she went into attack mode and I couldn't talk to her, she's buggered off with all my dragon bones and dragon scales and a host of other stuff she was pack-muling for me.
Buy a house and stuff your bones in a dresser. Mine has like 50 bones and scales tucked away next to my fine dinnerware fancy hats.
I haven't used Lydia in a while, I married Mjoll the Lioness from Riften and she's head to toe in flawless ebony armor plus the ebony mail that I got from some quest somewhere, that helps her sneak better, and a big ole ebony warhammer with a fire enchant on it. She smacks bandits back to last tuesday.
Lydia is sitting in my house, always eating bread and cheese in my bedroom. She has a bedroom of her own but she never uses it. Would be nice if you could run around with more than 1 companion.
I dunno which would be a better fighter, I'm assuming they would both be exactly the same if you give em both the same gear.
I'm not that far into the storyline yet, i'm having fun beating other stuff up.
A conjuration warrior (heavy armour, shield, bound weaponry) is actually quite decent. I might experiment with dual wielded bound blades, but I like being able to break people's faces with my shield.
@Buying a house: Can't afford one, i'm pretty much skint at the moment, and i'm sick of bloody Breezehome, so i'm saving up for another one somewhere.
I have to ask - does anyone else wish there was a bit of multiplayer in the game? Even a teensy-tiny bit of coop? With Skyrim's 'skill' leveling, it'd be interesting to see what kind of combo's you could pull off.
Thank goodness, I was feeling rather ignored by those dragons.
As far as multiplayer goes I would not want it in this game. I stop by my house to pick up some potions and next thing you know my"friend" has made off with all of my good armor, bones/scales, and my wife.
I kinda wish the dragons still would not attack... sometimes I was in the middle of going somewhere and just didn't feel like killing em.. same with bears.
I also kind of wish they would have given merchants unlimited funds to buy stuff, or maybe let them have more cash later as you progress and do business with them... My house has a chest full of gems and rings and other "valuables" that no one can buy cuz they can't afford to. I'm prolly just gonna go dump em in a lake somewhere.
Necros wrote:Buy a house and stuff your bones in a dresser.
Some kind of code? An old saying?
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Necros wrote:I also kind of wish they would have given merchants unlimited funds to buy stuff, or maybe let them have more cash later as you progress and do business with them....
You need a perk to invest in a merchant, right? I'd rather not waste the perk point on that when I can use it for combat stuffs. I have around 90k gold right now, no need to sell my junk. I just loot stuff that I actually can use now, instead of grabbing everything I can. When I go on an Alchemy Practice spree, there's 3 merchants including the wife who can buy my junk potions, thats about all I need merchants for nowadays.
purplefood wrote:Yeah but with the AI as it is in Skyim half the quests would go unfinished since their key characters would be lying dead in dungeons across Skyrim with arrows in thier backs or burn/frost/scorch marks or slashed/crushed bodies... all because they would stay back and let you handle it...
Just admit it, you killed them.
I murdered the crap out of them...
I'm more annoyed about the unfinished quests...
Get to a level where you are owning Dragons (regardless of difficulty). Best done by abusing enchanting. Keep fast traveling to all the open world word walls. When you've done all, wait a few days. Repeat.
The dragons will drop 300+ gold every time (not to mention scales etc). Treasure chests will also refill every time 300+ gold and good loot.
My current situation? 150+k gold. 70 dragon souls left after getting pretty much every shout maxed.
I finished up the mage quest searching for the staff, and I decided to head up to a shrine near the dungeon. Ended up chasing a frost dragon all the way down the mountain.
About half way through his combat sequence, he dove into the mountain, literally digging up a massive pile of dirt. He then just lost the ability to fly. So I kept throwing firebolts at him, pushing him farther and farther down the mountain, it was pretty epic
My favorite moment involving dragons and mountains was with my (then level 10, now 36) Dual Wielder w/ heavy armor. I walked to the word wall, and turn around. Dragon time! It lifts off, and I pull out my bow. Somehow, Frost attack from the rear! A second dragon. I begin to panic. When the third Dragon arrived, I said feth it, ran down to the giant encampment and punched a mammoth.
Does anyone know if dragons will not appear until you kill the dragon at Whiterun's west tower? I did not do that and am setting at level 16 with nary a dragon sighting (third character, first time I did not kill Whiterun's named dragon).
Manchu wrote:Does anyone know if dragons will not appear until you kill the dragon at Whiterun's west tower? I did not do that and am setting at level 16 with nary a dragon sighting (third character, first time I did not kill Whiterun's named dragon).
It still appears to be unconfirmed I think, my mates swear blind its purely random quests completed or not, but the webs say otherwise.
Manchu wrote:Does anyone know if dragons will not appear until you kill the dragon at Whiterun's west tower? I did not do that and am setting at level 16 with nary a dragon sighting (third character, first time I did not kill Whiterun's named dragon).
I didn't start seeing a lot of dragons until I went further in the main questline, up to the part where you meet up with the Blades lady. And it seems like they're always around Dawnstar or Winterhold the most for some reason.
For me.. I dunno, I find most dragon encounters to be kinda annoying. Maybe they'll be better now that they supposedly made them attack more. A lot of times they just fly around and maybe land once or twice, and I get sick of having to swap weapons around 87 times in 1 fight. So I just get bored, hop on the horse and let the villagers all get eaten while I go sneak through a dungeon instead.
I'm seriously considering the Crafting Meltdown mod, and the improved water textures. The water in Skyrim is okay but the mod makes it look pretty darn spiffy.
I'm also considering QD inventory. The current one is okay but I prefer the other one.
EDIT: Speaking of water, when is Bethesda going to improve on their underwater camera? The murky super fog that brings the draw distance way low and makes what could be cool underwater vistas lame.
"This first attempt at a spider free Skyrim is particularly hilarious, as it replaces the models of the spiders with completely out of place bears. We’ll let you decide which is scarier."
"This first attempt at a spider free Skyrim is particularly hilarious, as it replaces the models of the spiders with completely out of place bears. We’ll let you decide which is scarier."
*bursts into hilarious laughter*
Spider-Bear! Spider-bear! Does whatever a spider-bear does! *dances*
Cheesecat wrote:Disappointed that Unarmed doesn't have it's own skill tree in Skyrim.
I did appreciate that there was a skill for it in the Heavy tree, but in all honest that skill should have gone as a off shoot of the single handed dual wield tree so that it could work with both light and heavy armor.
Cheesecat wrote:Disappointed that Unarmed doesn't have it's own skill tree in Skyrim.
I did appreciate that there was a skill for it in the Heavy tree, but in all honest that skill should have gone as a off shoot of the single handed dual wield tree so that it could work with both light and heavy armor.
Also I think a type of magic where you could transform into wild animals would have been cool, basically druids.
I will have to say that the blood mod does indeed make the blood look better so I may have to look at that. If you want to make a lot of gold just go do all of the DB quests. Its about 1,000 gold for each main quest and a special item should you do the optional objective. The last quest offers you a reward of 20,000 and after the main quests are done you have an infinite number of lesser assassinations you can do for 800 each.
After doing all of the DB quests I managed to pocket 40,000 gold with collecting and selling what I had along with hitting up the wife for some cash every once and awhile. If I had saved up my money I would have a lot right now, but I have three houses full of items that I really need to sell and organize. As with Oblivion, I am on a personal journey to collect the armor of the city guards from each city and have all of them except for Windhelm I think.
Now as far as dragons go, kill the one in Whiterun because it seems to be the only way to get them to appear. For me they usually appear in Dawnstar for some odd reason.
I enjoy the perk system but I do agree that unarmed should have its own little tree, but what are you going to kill in Skyrim with your bare fists? They don't have power fists like they do in Fallout after all.
Cheesecat wrote:Disappointed that Unarmed doesn't have it's own skill tree in Skyrim.
I did appreciate that there was a skill for it in the Heavy tree, but in all honest that skill should have gone as a off shoot of the single handed dual wield tree so that it could work with both light and heavy armor.
Also I think a type of magic where you could transform into wild animals would have been cool, basically druids.
That would be pretty sweet to. I love Elder Scrolls, but I dare saw Bethesda isn't as adventurous as they used to be. There's a lot of amazingly awesome stuff they could do in Skyrim, but they'll never be able to do everything they could do.
They should have a move where you need some sort of alcohol and a torch, have a nice animation of your character taking a swig from the bottle and spewing it through the flames of the torch like a flamethrower.
Cheesecat wrote:Disappointed that Unarmed doesn't have it's own skill tree in Skyrim.
I did appreciate that there was a skill for it in the Heavy tree, but in all honest that skill should have gone as a off shoot of the single handed dual wield tree so that it could work with both light and heavy armor.
Also I think a type of magic where you could transform into wild animals would have been cool, basically druids.
That would be pretty sweet to. I love Elder Scrolls, but I dare saw Bethesda isn't as adventurous as they used to be. There's a lot of amazingly awesome stuff they could do in Skyrim, but they'll never be able to do everything they could do.
Maybe someone will make a mod.
I wouldn't call adding common fantasy archetypes that adventurous (monk and druids) this is the kind of thing you would expect in a company that likes reward the player with loads of options.
I think it's adventerous in that its something new for the series. Really, the Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind have really just been the same features transported into a new setting and streamlined to get them to work better.
I love it, but they could add more new toys. Dual Weilding was the only really big addition made to Skyrim in this respect.
LordofHats wrote:I think it's adventerous in that its something new for the series. Really, the Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind have really just been the same features transported into a new setting and streamlined to get them to work better.
I love it, but they could add more new toys. Dual Weilding was the only really big addition made to Skyrim in this respect.
I couldn't agree with you more, but unarmed was in there previous games why get rid of it in Skyrim? Also you can sort of create Bards in Skyrim just specialize in a lot of speech skills and be a jack of all trades,
although I don't think you can use instruments. Mind you I've only borrowed it from my friend for a few days and will have to wait till Christmas to play it again (got it for my brother).
"Hey, did you hear that the Dragonborn won?"
"Yeah, what's he up to now?"
"He's busking on the streets of Whiterun after his/her husband/wife kicked them out and set up their own shop inside."
Anvildude wrote:Did anyone else notice that Keening is apparently popped into the game, either through the one mod or in Vanilla?
I mean, Keening!
Think it still kills you if you don't have the right gauntlets?
It SUCKS
It cant be upgraded via grindstone, and does steel sword levels of damage
Its enchantment is ok (15pt absorb health, mana, stamina) but its still not worth it
Grey Templar wrote:I find it funny that what ever your last major quest line was determines peoples reaction.
After an Assassination, People act nervous. Sometimes a guard comes up and says "Hail Sithis" like he's a follower of him too.
After you join the companions people start acting like that.
They just completely forget what you did previously.
Imperial questline:
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I hate that I rose through the ranks to Legate, impressed pretty much everyone, and killed Ulfrik, but nobody seems to care anymore. Even Imperial soldiers treat me like a commoner when i'm ranks above them!
I hate that I rose through the ranks to Legate, impressed pretty much everyone, and killed Ulfrik, but nobody seems to care anymore. Even Imperial soldiers treat me like a commoner when i'm ranks above them!
More importantly, as Listener of the Darkbrotherhood, leader of the Thieves Guild, Archmage, Legate of the Legion, head of the Companions, and the Dragonborn, why the can't I raise an army of Thieving werewolf mage assassin legionnaires and take over Tamriel? Better yet, I'd love to take that army and go kick the Thalmor off the continent
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Didnt bethesda say we can do 'everything npc's can do'?
Cause Im mad I cant play the fething lute.
And marry another Khajiit.
You can be straight, gay, inter-racial, scalie, but not furry.
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Didnt bethesda say we can do 'everything npc's can do'?
Cause Im mad I cant play the fething lute.
And marry another Khajiit.
You can be straight, gay, inter-racial, scalie, but not furry.
There aren't that many Khajit in the game to begin with. The Nords are really really racist XD
Grey Templar wrote:They don't seem to mind the Khajiit or Argonians too much, just elves of any kind(excluding orcs, they don't seem to mind orcs)
There are practically no Khajit in the Nord cities. They live in little ghetto tents outside the gates because the Nords don't trust them... Then again it doesn't help that the one Khajit I talked to about it said "I have an unfortunate nature to always run into trouble with the law."
To be fair, any khajiit that makes it all the way to Skyrim is either a wealthy trader or a no good vagabond on the run from the law. Either way, the Nords won't like you.
Grey Templar wrote:To be fair, any khajiit that makes it all the way to Skyrim is either a wealthy trader or a no good vagabond on the run from the law. Either way, the Nords won't like you.
I like to think of the Khajit as the Mexicans of Tamriel. No body wants them around, they end up having to do illegal things to get by, and the Nords are always watching walls to make sure they stay on the other side
Manchu wrote:Anyone else find their detsro/resto character way OTT? I stopped at level 16 and restarted as a dual wielding stealth character, which is at least somewhat challenging.
I've not played a spell caster, but apparently Destruction ends up really underpowered in the end, as the spell damage doesn't scale like other combinations. All you can do it keep reducing the cost of spells, whereas something like a melee specialist gets perks granting 100% damage increase, plus the crazy bonuses from smithing your own weapons, plus the crazy bonus from enchanting it.
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Phototoxin wrote:Finished it with my orc stabby/fighty thing. Not as RP-y as oblivion I felt. Go here, kill that. Find X stab Y.
Really?
On that level I found the two games pretty much identical, having a modest number of quests that can be resolved without combat, but most based around going somewhere and killing loads of stuff.
The real difference, in my opinion, was the massive difference in quality and quantity of voice acting. In Oblivion everyone kind of sounded the same, and had basically the same things to say, but in Skyrim there was a great deal more variety in voices, and they were delivered in a much more convincing, interesting way.
Oh, and the leveling system wasn't completely stupid this time around.
I actually think what Oblivion had that Skyrim didn't is a certain fun factor. Somehow, the quest lines and adventures in Oblision were more fun for me than Skyrim. The actual writing of the story lines for Skyrim just feels, weaker. Especially the main quest. Sad to say the conflict between the Thalmor and the Empire is infinitely for interesting than any other in the game and yet, almost nothing is done with it in Skyrim other than stage setting.
I think that the next game will have something to do with round 2 of the war.
Now the real question is weather Skyrim will be an independent nation or will it still be a part of the Empire.
I am hoping for Independent nation that has a powerful army that can stand up to the Thalmor while the Empire crumbles away around it. The Elves unable to squash the Nord threat, possably now with some Dragon allies.
Maybe they will bring the Dwemmer back from the dead. A small amount have survived in some secluded spot.
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:The Nords all hate Argonians x2,
Well, yes, but they hate all Elvesx100 so only being hatex2 is fairly good on the hate meter.
Gotcha. You can marry a ton of elves. Its unfair I tell ya!
And not being able to play instruments
And skooma not having any fun effects other than +25 stamina
I'm fairly certain one expansion will be the conclusion of the civil war, as right now the moot hasn't happened in game and there's still no High King.
halonachos wrote:I will have to say that the blood mod does indeed make the blood look better so I may have to look at that. If you want to make a lot of gold just go do all of the DB quests. Its about 1,000 gold for each main quest and a special item should you do the optional objective. The last quest offers you a reward of 20,000 and after the main quests are done you have an infinite number of lesser assassinations you can do for 800 each.
After doing all of the DB quests I managed to pocket 40,000 gold with collecting and selling what I had along with hitting up the wife for some cash every once and awhile. If I had saved up my money I would have a lot right now, but I have three houses full of items that I really need to sell and organize. As with Oblivion, I am on a personal journey to collect the armor of the city guards from each city and have all of them except for Windhelm I think.
Now as far as dragons go, kill the one in Whiterun because it seems to be the only way to get them to appear. For me they usually appear in Dawnstar for some odd reason.
I enjoy the perk system but I do agree that unarmed should have its own little tree, but what are you going to kill in Skyrim with your bare fists? They don't have power fists like they do in Fallout after all.
They have magicka for that. Or spiked gauntlets, or brass knuckles, or any number of things that they could have done. I've personally missed Unarmored since they got rid of it for Oblivion. Was nice to have a mage not need fancy enchantments or bulky armour to be able to take a hit.
Also, is anyone else supremely annoyed (and rather confused) that you're only allowed one ring at a time? I mean, comeon, the entire game is about not having limits, and you've just implemented a dual-wielding system. But only one ring?
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Grey Templar wrote:You can be a Werewolf. Thats plenty of beast transformation for me.
And lets face it, who could proudly say they beat the game using their army of Skeever and Mudcrab minions to take over Skyrim?
I would. Mudcrabs, anyways. Those things are vicious!
I do have a question, though: Did anyone else note that little bit of lore about the Emperor of Tamriel having always been Dragonborn, until Martin Septim? And the current 'Emperor' is a mewling milk-drinker bowing to the will of the Thalmer. And you're the new Dragonborn. And you've just ended a Civil War (and basically ended up running) one of the most War-able provinces in Tamriel.
Yeah, Dovakiin's gonna be Imperator Pontificus pretty soon, I'd say.
Grey Templar wrote:You can be a Werewolf. Thats plenty of beast transformation for me.
And lets face it, who could proudly say they beat the game using their army of Skeever and Mudcrab minions to take over Skyrim?
Being a werewolf only has two advantages; immunity to disease and beast form(barely). I find the beast form to be mostly useless unless you need to break out of prison and you have already broken your one lockpick. Don't know the rational for the guard's thinking but they open the gate that keeps you in the cell.
Guard: "Humdy-dum-di-dum. Wait a second what is this? A prisoner is becoming a werewolf in his cell? This locked cell could hold him for eternity, but how dare the prisoner do that? I'll just open this locked gate and teach them a lesson.".
As far as the rings are concerned, I have no idea about what to say about it. I personally wouldn't wear more than one ring so I guess that the rational behind it is the fact that most people wouldn't run around looking like Liberace with gold rings bedazzling every single digit.
I do find it annoying that your health regeneration seems to be non-existant when your a werewolf.
If you take too much damage you have to run and hide, of course if you happen to be in a cramped space to start with your health probably isn't very low.
I never use the resting bonus anyway. maybe if they added penelties if you stay awake too long. Currently my character has gone the entire game without sleeping.
LordofHats wrote:I actually think what Oblivion had that Skyrim didn't is a certain fun factor. Somehow, the quest lines and adventures in Oblision were more fun for me than Skyrim. The actual writing of the story lines for Skyrim just feels, weaker. Especially the main quest. Sad to say the conflict between the Thalmor and the Empire is infinitely for interesting than any other in the game and yet, almost nothing is done with it in Skyrim other than stage setting.
That's interesting, the general reaction to Oblivion was pretty meh, and it was largely seen as a big disappointment following on from Morrowind. You can see this on metacritic, where Oblivion averaged a user score of 7.8, compared to Oblivion's 8.5.
It's horses for courses, and I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but I certainly shared the general feeling about Oblivion, between the woeful voice acting, repeated dungeons, boring constant fights with stupidly geared bandits, and grinding through Oblivion, and horrible levelling system, I burned out on Oblivion long before the end.
I do see the limitations of Skyrim, but every time I play I find a half dozen little bits and pieces I love, from an interesting new character to a wonderful dungeon.
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halonachos wrote:As far as the rings are concerned, I have no idea about what to say about it. I personally wouldn't wear more than one ring so I guess that the rational behind it is the fact that most people wouldn't run around looking like Liberace with gold rings bedazzling every single digit.
It's been traditional since the early days of D&D to limit characters to two rings, one for each hand. It's a simple system, and makes enough sense.
If I was to write my own system I'd let people have as many rings as they want, but make those rings incredibly rare. Like, LotR rare, so finding one really meant something. That wouldn't really work with the enchanting system in Skyrim, though...
So far, doing random stuff and dungeons in Oblivion was more fun.
Really, I dont want to be busy for 1 hour or more for an average dungeon. In Oblivion a 30 minute dungeon was big, and I would have liked it better that way.
However, the story is better in Skyrim, but remember, Im not busy with main questline but with Stormcloaks.
The thing about Whiterun in the civil war is, that at the Imperial Legion you have to defend it and as Stormcloaks attack it. And sieging is wavy more awsome.
Defending walls or running towards a city while batteries of catapults hammer the city in front of you?
You decide whats more awsome
Defending walls is more fun if you're an archer. I like raining vampiric arrows of doom down onto the heads of the rebel scum who have no choice but to advance into a killing field.
I thought the storyline was just as crap as that of Oblivion, never got interested at all. Being able to kill the endboss in 5 hits on master diff didn't help either. And once you've done that, you get to play on, yet no one even makes any comment about you having saved the ffing world and all. Hell, I figured I'd at least get some kind of reward help me on my way after that but no, nothing.
To be honest Sol, your character is equipped to the teeth with items that the normal player won't bother with. Like while I might have 100 smithing, and might try for full Daedric armor, I have crap enchanting, so my armor is going to be very basic...
Soladrin wrote:I thought the storyline was just as crap as that of Oblivion, never got interested at all. Being able to kill the endboss in 5 hits on master diff didn't help either. And once you've done that, you get to play on, yet no one even makes any comment about you having saved the ffing world and all. Hell, I figured I'd at least get some kind of reward help me on my way after that but no, nothing.
Sadly you are wrong here my friend, they do in fact comment on you saving the world. Iv heard it a few times, its along the lines of "You have vanquished a great evil for the world" or something like that. I do admit though that the quest line was a step down from Oblivions rather weak(now that I look back) main quest. Guess my new characters will just do the same as Oblivion, avoid the main quest like the plague XD.
Thing is, you don't really need to be good at enchanting and smithing to have awesome gear. Well, I did take the time to max my smithing skill making a bazillion iron daggers.. then I took those daggers and the crazy amt of soul gems I've been able to find, and did basic enchants on them.. so my smithing is 100 and enchanting around 80 now. I never spent any perk points in Enchanting, but I added 2 to smithing so I can improve magical gear. Just digging around in dungeons I collected a full suit of ebony armor & weapons for my companion, upgraded it all to legendary goodness and for me at level 49 I just started finding Daedric weapons, which I made legendary too. Most things I can kill in 1 hit, a draugr dreadlord dies in 2 arrows. Yet, if I run into a group of mages they can freeze me down to deadness in seconds. But, I do think smithing and enchanting are a little too overpowered, even without adding perks. At the same time, I like being uber so I don't want em to nerf me
See, the reason you're finding things easy like that is that you're grinding. Try not grinding with a character, and just progressing normally. Only use Smithing to create gear you're planning on using, same with Enchanting. Choose a weapon and armour and just go hunting- wandering around the world, either following quests or not, and fighting off whatever you come across. Makes it a lot more satisfying when you eventually do reach higher levels, if you had to flee and fight for your life when you wander into a Dwemer Hall at level 10 and have your ass handed to you.
I wholeheartedly agree with Anvildude. That is my playstyle. Furthermore, it's with that playstyle that I found my caster way OTT. I slaughtered two dragons in 30 minutes last night, where approx. 26 minutes was travel time ...
I still haven't made a character that feels "right" to me. But that's how I am with every Bethesda game. I'll play a a character for 10-20 hours and then get the urge to make a new one. This happens 3-5 times before I settle down into "my" character. Anyone else like this? If so, any tips for getting there more quickly?
I actually have a similar issue. What I'll do is mix up archetypes and races- First comes an aged Imperial Wizard. Then a dual-wielding Argonian. Then a Brettonic Battlemage. Then a High Elf Paladin (Resto and blade, with Heavy Armour). Planning on a Khajiiti Sorcerer (Bethestda definition, with HA and Destro stuff). Might try a Wood Elf Archer-Assassin.
Usually I stick with my Battlemage, but in this case, I've been playing a lot of my Wizard, mostly due to my Battlemage crashing all the time.
Oooh, a paladin! I never even thought of that. Wow, that will really narrow down the quests I can take, seeing how so much of the game involves you being moderately-to-extremely evil.
You don't have to do all the quests with every character. I tend to not do Dark Brotherhood or Thieves, myself, and if I'm playing a pure-combat or pure-mage, I'll not do quests for the alternate guild.
I started out just exploring, but I thought I'd try enchanting and sharpening stuff, and felt myself getting uber till it was outta control. If I do another character anytime soon I'll probably be a mage and skip the whole armor & weapons thing completely.
I really like my conjuration warrior myself, the bound weapons are affected by the relevant skills (archery, one-handed etc.) and scale to your level, saving on weaponry, everything else is just heavy armour and block.
Anvildude wrote:You don't have to do all the quests with every character.
I don't. My point is there's not much that's heroic to do in Skyrim. You can pay off a pauper's debt here and get someone off Skooma there but note that it's not hugely involved. The best I can think of is retrieving Mjoll's sword.
Anvildude wrote:See, the reason you're finding things easy like that is that you're grinding. Try not grinding with a character, and just progressing normally. Only use Smithing to create gear you're planning on using, same with Enchanting. Choose a weapon and armour and just go hunting- wandering around the world, either following quests or not, and fighting off whatever you come across. Makes it a lot more satisfying when you eventually do reach higher levels, if you had to flee and fight for your life when you wander into a Dwemer Hall at level 10 and have your ass handed to you.
Not my playstyle I like a good dose of grind TBH. It's the reason I can love a game like Ragnarok Online. XD
I'm once again not sure what I want to be, can you guys help me?
I'm thinking:
Duel Weild Orc: Berserking Orcs in Heavy Armor don't take much damage, and duel weild really puts out the damage. Only problem is, I don't like the idea of being reliant on my power for survivability...
Wizard of Some Sort: I have always loved being a mage, but I hate the way magic works in this game (Have to find certain spells, can't make your own), so that really kills it off for me.
Khajiit: A Bow and going Hand to Hand would allow me to skip out on weight, since I don't have to worry about two weapons, but you can't enchant gloves....
Manchu wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with Anvildude. That is my playstyle. Furthermore, it's with that playstyle that I found my caster way OTT. I slaughtered two dragons in 30 minutes last night, where approx. 26 minutes was travel time ...
I still haven't made a character that feels "right" to me. But that's how I am with every Bethesda game. I'll play a a character for 10-20 hours and then get the urge to make a new one. This happens 3-5 times before I settle down into "my" character. Anyone else like this? If so, any tips for getting there more quickly?
I agree with Anvildude as well, when I play Skyrim I try to role play my hero like a D&D character. I've recreated my guy like five times to now because I have a certain image in my head on how I want my
characters to turn out and if it isn't working out I go back to square one again.
Manchu wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with Anvildude. That is my playstyle. Furthermore, it's with that playstyle that I found my caster way OTT. I slaughtered two dragons in 30 minutes last night, where approx. 26 minutes was travel time ...
I still haven't made a character that feels "right" to me. But that's how I am with every Bethesda game. I'll play a a character for 10-20 hours and then get the urge to make a new one. This happens 3-5 times before I settle down into "my" character. Anyone else like this? If so, any tips for getting there more quickly?
I agree with Anvildude as well, when I play Skyrim I try to role play my hero like a D&D character. I've recreated my guy like five times to now because I have a certain image in my head on how I want my
characters to turn out and if it isn't working out I go back to square one again.
Yeah same here. After finishing the main quest with my argonian, I started again like 3 times. First was a Breton Daedra Summoner/Necromancer, which I got bored with, and then it was a Khajit Assasin, which I didn't like playing as (seriously, Khajit are pretty boring to play as. Nothing special like the other races )
Now I am trying a Nord with great weapon and heavy armor.
Problem for me is that regardless of how I play, and what kind of game I play. I need a challenge. This game not having much in the way of challenge (even before started using enchanting mind you, I only started doing that around level 30) got me bored after finishing everything. In a way this is my own problem I guess
I'll be playing again when we get DLC but that's about it.
I get killed by the first daedra I encounter. Fireballs are frakkin overpowered. Now i need to get some anti-fire protection.
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