That box does not include the rebreather that everyone is looking at.
That is the Scout Bikers, which include several different heads in the kit. Darren Latham added the goggles from the Scouts with Sniper Rifles.
If I was better at sculpting, I would use the regular marine rebreathers and attach the goggles on them. Especially since I will be putting these Scouts with my Blood Angels (I have some mop-hair rebreathers heads from various kits). I mostly just don't want the jarhead bits.
Was thinking about who people were saying they were disappointed with the gantry hights..
I am actaulyl for them to be 6" tall.. having played A lot of necromunda it gets very very annoying working with a lot of platforms and gantrys only 3" high and trying to find the one duder you know is below all of that somewhere... and then getting your hand in to actually move it
Barzam wrote: Have the rules for Guardsmen popped up yet? I'd be curious to see what they can take.
I've seen a bit of them, basically they can take anything that the guard vets from the regular game can take, also I think they're one of the few armies that can viably field the 10 model maximum. Looking at their squad special rules and stuff though I'm still highly suspicious that they'll be an even match for the other, more elite armies.
For example taking a full 10 man squad is decently less than 600 points out of a 1000 point cap, so you'll probably end up loading your guys up with superfluous gear just because you have points left over, whereas your opponent can tailor specific models to task and shave off points. Their command ability is to have their leader instead of shooting, issue a command, which allows all models, maybe just all models with lasguns, reroll 1s to hit when they fire.
Still I'm excited, 4/5 games my guard will play jobbers for the space marines and eldar, and that last 20% will be the glorious last stand against the Tyranid menace where we do indeed take off and nuke the site from orbit.
So I've heard I.G get homeworld subfactions just like SM chapters and Ork clans, confirmed ones are: Cadians, Catachans and Mordians.
First rules support for a non plastic kit?
Huh that'd pretty cool, I wonder if this will extend to chaos as well. Come to think of it, if CSM are standard troops and not agents wouldn't they be over-powered?
So I've seen the rules at my FLGS and I can share some more things. It's fragmented info since I was busy setting up a Malifaux game and I was only mainly interested in IG.
CSM do get marks, even an undivided mark. Forgot the bonuses but they are fairly obvious. While the base CSM troop seems cheap, the leader is roughly 200 iirc so it's good to take some cultists.
Tyranid Warriors was the surprising kill team. 3-5 models only. Tyranid Alpha, regular Warrior, newborn Warrior essentially, and Tyranid gun-beast. Didn't see operatives yet.
Continuing with 3-5 kill teams, there's the Grey Knights. They only had 3 options available instead of 4 for obvious reasons. Can't remember right now what they were.
Since Eldar rules have been posted already, I'll only point out that the artillery is hilarious. A friend figured out that the model using it could hide behind cover and still fire the weapon without exposing themselves. Since the shot comes from the gun. Have to confirm it myself.
AM vet team doesn't get homeworld options. And with only 10 models max, it is an odd duck out. But they can buy carapace and hotshot lasguns so they can be surprisingly effective.
Harlequins have a kill team, their flip belts allow them to ignore fall damage. Start charging from tall buildings people.
I know someone mentioned it, but it was asked again. Spec operatives are hired on a per game basis. You use promethium caches to hire them, at the cost of one per. You can hire as many as you want in any combination, though I think some have limits.
I'm tired so I can't remember the other stuff I found. It looks good so far but like any GW game there are some glaring issues. Who knows how it'll shake out. I'm going to be playing a lot of games Sunday so I'll post my thoughts if anybody wants to hear them.
Edit: forgot to add Necrons. I couldn't read much but they did have a chosen Immortal as a leader.
For everyone talking about those scout conversions, you could possibly use the CCS rebreathers. Should fit scout heads okay, I think 5 come with the kit if you know anyone that has guard and didn't use them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Obviously just clip off the hose bit if you don't want that, that's what I did for some of my flamer models.
Are they counting the Tempestus Scions as IG, or separate? Or do they even have a listing yet? I don't know if it's been answered yet, but are players allowed to mix armies? Like having some IG with a Space Marine or two?
It's sounding like I'm going to have to actually start assembling and painting my Anvil figures though.
Scions are special operatives, but if veterans can be given both carapace armour AND Hellguns, this means that you can still field a squad of Scions without jumping through hoops, nice! Especially if the veterans have BS4 as standard.
Looks like I won't be playing scouts after all then.
Dravis wrote: So I've heard I.G get homeworld subfactions just like SM chapters and Ork clans, confirmed ones are: Cadians, Catachans and Mordians.
First rules support for a non plastic kit?
Where'd you here this?
Maybe there's a new plastic kit coming. I'm sort of ok with Mordians.
Altjack wrote: Since Eldar rules have been posted already, I'll only point out that the artillery is hilarious. A friend figured out that the model using it could hide behind cover and still fire the weapon without exposing themselves. Since the shot comes from the gun. Have to confirm it myself.
Assuming the rules are similar to Necromunda, you'd still need line of sight from the firing model (i.e. the Guardian), even if the shot comes from elsewhere – otherwise the target would be completely obscured and not a viable target.
Apologist wrote: Assuming the rules are similar to Necromunda, you'd still need line of sight from the firing model (i.e. the Guardian), even if the shot comes from elsewhere – otherwise the target would be completely obscured and not a viable target.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I like that they have split the orcs into their traditional factions for skill advancement, i wonder if there are any other differences like special rules etc.
Apologist wrote: Assuming the rules are similar to Necromunda, you'd still need line of sight from the firing model (i.e. the Guardian), even if the shot comes from elsewhere – otherwise the target would be completely obscured and not a viable target.
Sat down with kill team sheets for Tau and Grey Knights. Will be doing full actual games tomorrow. Some people may not have seen the stats for army lists, so, we threw together Jill teams ND navigated the rules reference and army sheets the best we could.
Were you not supposed to post a new video yesterday or today?
Am I missing something on the Tau roster. The difference between the Pathfinder and the cadet is only that the Pathfinder can tale pistols? But they cost 10 points more.
Vorian wrote: Am I missing something on the Tau roster. The difference between the Pathfinder and the cadet is only that the Pathfinder can tale pistols? But they cost 10 points more.
Are pistols even an option in the kit?
There are from what i can remember a couple of holstered pistols in the Pathfinder kit, but no options to have models holding pistols.
Vorian wrote: Am I missing something on the Tau roster. The difference between the Pathfinder and the cadet is only that the Pathfinder can tale pistols? But they cost 10 points more.
Are pistols even an option in the kit?
There are from what i can remember a couple of holstered pistols in the Pathfinder kit, but no options to have models holding pistols.
There's one holstered and one unholstered. The unholstered one can be placed into one of the hands that is meant for holding things.
Just got in touch with my mate who runs a store, he hasn't heard back from GW on the prices, so chances are good that those listed in the White Dwarf are incorrect.
Dravis wrote: The cadets can't be advanced until they survive 3 missions, then they become troopers and you can then choose to advance one of them after a mission.
Ah, is that a core rule? I thought everyone could only have 3 advances and that's what the boxes are for on the sheet ... but it's new recruits need to go through 3 battles before they are eligible to be the one guy that gets an advance?
At least there's one pistol for an insane HtH Tau guy then!
Yeah, what happens when recruits become troopers seems to change dependent on kill team.
Guardians swap out their gun for a free Dire Avenger one.
But Necron Warriors just become troopers.
so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?
So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?
davou wrote: so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?
So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?
Ammo rolls are on 2d6 now i believe (so 5+ adding the result of 2 die). And as a gorkamorka player, yup, that about sums up trying to play a shooting game with orks.
Gorkamorka was different though, since orks were BS 3 back then.
It's difficult to get a read on the balance because there are lots of differences compared to Necromunda. Some things seem crazy, but then it's hard to imagine how faster M or better armour being everywhere will affect it.
Still seems like Skitarii are going to be thoroughly unpleasant to face though
I am not sure this is thread worthy, but I noticed this in white dwarf. New guard stuff incoming?
For context there was a similar hint about the Kharadron last month.
davou wrote: so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?
So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?
Ammo rolls are on 2d6 now i believe (so 5+ adding the result of 2 die). And as a gorkamorka player, yup, that about sums up trying to play a shooting game with orks.
Still though, wtf.... Half the time an ork player needs to roil just to see if they can keep playing half the game, and the roll required is just under half? not to mention that all the ork weapons have some trait called 'unreliable' which I assume will further hose them.
Any idea if the orks are at least costed to offset that garbage?
Guess someone never played a Goliath gang... welcome to the norm! You'll have bonus bodies though and 2D6 ammo rolls, so weight of numbers, as ever, and Orks will be tough. Sounds fine to me.
BrookM wrote: Bit early to shriek "garbage" when we haven't seen the entire picture yet.
To be fair, there's precedent for assuming things will be garbage.... Like when GWfaq'ed that orks are str 4 when hitting themselves but str3 when hitting enemies. Or that our FNP warlords stacking FNP gear does not stack because 'he's a dumy'
I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...
Crimson wrote: I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...
That is because separate kits and board game content do not overlap: Galvanic Magnavent contains this thinner chimney thingy from Alcomite Stack. So three separate kits give you more terrain: a big tank with small octagonal platform, a big sphere chimney thingy with those side pipes, walkways/platforms/columns set and TWO small chimney thingies.
Crimson wrote: I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...
That is because separate kits and board game content do not overlap: Galvanic Magnavent contains this thinner chimney thingy from Alcomite Stack. So three separate kits give you more terrain: a big tank with small octagonal platform, a big sphere chimney thingy with those side pipes, walkways/platforms/columns set and TWO small chimney thingies.
So is there some terrain on top of the two kits mentioned in the game box? Because it really doesn't look like the terrain shown can be built from those two kits alone (there's even the skull spider, which was adverised as coming in the Galvanic Magnavent set...)
Crimson wrote: I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...
That is because separate kits and board game content do not overlap: Galvanic Magnavent contains this thinner chimney thingy from Alcomite Stack. So three separate kits give you more terrain: a big tank with small octagonal platform, a big sphere chimney thingy with those side pipes, walkways/platforms/columns set and TWO small chimney thingies.
So is there some terrain on top of the two kits mentioned in the game box? Because it really doesn't look like the terrain shown can be built from those two kits alone (there's even the skull spider, which was adverised as coming in the Galvanic Magnavent set...)
That is true. Box game is made from two named kits PLUS "extra" walkways and skull. But since those walkways are not full Magnavent kit, GW does not say, e.g. "and half of Magnavent box", but instead they say "and plenty of walkways to connect those two kits".
That is true. Box game is made from two named kits PLUS "extra" walkways and skull. But since those walkways are not full Magnavent kit, GW does not say, e.g. "and half of Magnavent box", but instead they say "and plenty of walkways to connect those two kits".
Dravis wrote: That was from the Bolter and chainsword thread, mistaken info I suppose.
Good news about the carapace armour and hellguns though.
That was my bad, I must have misheard while I was flipping through the book that this wasn't a rule but maybe was speculated to become one later? That's what I get for asking questions while reading.
davou wrote: so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?
So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?
Ammo rolls are on 2d6 now i believe (so 5+ adding the result of 2 die). And as a gorkamorka player, yup, that about sums up trying to play a shooting game with orks.
Still though, wtf.... Half the time an ork player needs to roil just to see if they can keep playing half the game, and the roll required is just under half?
"Just under half"? nowhere near. The probability of rolling 5+ on 2 dice is 5/6.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and Inquisitor Kallus, I'm told by my local GW manager that it's actually £80.
davou wrote: so wait, do orks have to roll a 5-6 to hit, and then afterwards if they've rolled a six make an ammo roll?
So half each time they roll a hit they have have to follow it up with at least a five of discontinue use of their gun? 0.o 100% of the time if their target has any cover?
They're Orks... are you surprised? Mind you, Orks in Shadow War have access to TONS of "sustained fire" even on basic weapons. Essentially they pray 'n spray until they get in close combat. :-p
Crimson wrote: I am a bit confused about the scenery. There are three kits, and the WD says that two of them (Ferratonic Furnace and Alcomite Stack) come with the game. But the big picture of the game's contents definitely show the terrain having bits from Galvanic Magnavent too, but according to the text, that is not included...
Yes - on reading the new WD I understand why the Shadow War Armageddon box seems cheap compared to the new Sector Mechanicum scenery - it only contains TWO of the three new pieces.
Hence buying the 3 new scenery pieces costs slightly more than the box.
Get this, Deathmarks are the Necron specialists. I don't know about Praetorians. Someone mentioned them as operatives but I wasn't able to look through their whole pamphlet. And yes they can take Immortals.
To answer the other questions, yes AM vets are BS4 and the juves are regular guardsmen. I didn't read up on the Scion who is an operative. He most likely has more equipment than you can commonly put on the kill team.
And juve equivalents can only make up half of your team max.
I don't know about you guys but the AM kill team is close enough to Inquisition to scratch my itch for now.
BrookM wrote: As long as Guard veterans can get carapace armour and hellguns, I'll be pleased as punch.
My Kasrkin could come out of retirement/shame box...I have no Sergeants for them, so can't really run them outside of the Armoured Battlegroup these days.
Get this, Deathmarks are the Necron specialists. I don't know about Praetorians. Someone mentioned them as operatives but I wasn't able to look through their whole pamphlet. And yes they can take Immortals.
To answer the other questions, yes AM vets are BS4 and the juves are regular guardsmen. I didn't read up on the Scion who is an operative. He most likely has more equipment than you can commonly put on the kill team.
And juve equivalents can only make up half of your team max.
I don't know about you guys but the AM kill team is close enough to Inquisition to scratch my itch for now.
They also have access to the grenade launcher, one of the best weapons from necromunda. Especially if we can get exotic grenades like hallucinogen.
Thinking of ordering a steel legion squad today for this game.
Kijamon wrote: So to me that looks like all 3 of the new terrain pieces in this kit. Unless I am missing something?
There are some parts that are included only once in the boxed set that would be included twice if all three kits were combined. Basically walkways and support from Galvanic Magnavent are included, but not the chimneys (because they are the same that come in Alchomite Stack).
Also, price of the boxed set seems to be lower than advertised in WD. This one is slightly cheaper than WHQ: Shadows Over Hammerhal.
Wow, Harlequin Solitaire special operative rules are quite bizarre but very, very fluffy - if you hire him, you must play the mission with Solitaire only!
Kijamon wrote: So to me that looks like all 3 of the new terrain pieces in this kit. Unless I am missing something?
So, to me now looking at this box, there seem to be 3 pieces of terrain to buy in WD and this box lets you make a combo of 2, maybe even 2.5 of them. gak, now I can connect those pipes when I buy them and the OOPS! I only bought one of the 2 Heamotropes that comes in the box off eBay so now that has a use beyond a display board This kit also allows the goggles bits but nothing beyond the kits/sprues shown here.
So the nz price is the same as Alarielle, so it should be £80 and $ 130 US. Also the individual scenery pieces were listed in white dwarf as 1st April preorder but they are not on the site.
Given that the product is clearly limited as rumoured, it seems probable that the rumour of rules coming seperately later is also true.
Chikout wrote: So the nz price is the same as Alarielle, so it should be £80 and $ 130 US. Also the individual scenery pieces were listed in white dwarf as 1st April preorder but they are not on the site.
Given that the product is clearly limited as rumoured, it seems probable that the rumour of rules coming seperately later is also true.
Messiah wrote: I dont get why they don't just switch out the bs value to a die roll needed like in lotr or aos. Bs values are just unnecessarily clunky.
Also, the bottle test: Why, why, why? I've lost kill team matches to that rule (break test) and it wasnt fun for any of us. The worst one was where I'd shot out all except one of an opponents' kill team and I had lost one of my eight Chaos chosen. My opponent gets off a lucky shot that kills another of my chosen. I of course roll a twelve on my break test and immediately lose the game. We both agree it's bs as I had the opponents' last model (a Chaos raptor iirc) surrounded and in range of my entire kill team. I end up unhappy because I lost to a single illogical die roll and my opponent was unhappy because he had no sense of achievement for his victory.
Whilst bottle tests were not ideal, the sort of situation you describe above is not necessarily unrealistic. There are plenty of times in military history where a small force has scared a much large force into believing they are actually outnumbered. What you know as a player is very different to what your models would know.
His model was literally surrounded, as in all my models except one (so 5 in all) were within 8 inches of his last guy, ready to shoot and charge, and my last guy was not far off. It was silly. It doesn't matter if it was not totally unrealistic. Neither of us had a satisfying end to the game.
Chikout wrote: So the nz price is the same as Alarielle, so it should be £80 and $ 130 US. Also the individual scenery pieces were listed in white dwarf as 1st April preorder but they are not on the site.
Given that the product is clearly limited as rumoured, it seems probable that the rumour of rules coming seperately later is also true.
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All those additional terrain kits are just sprues from the main game rearranged into separate boxes in different configurations.
Chikout wrote: So the nz price is the same as Alarielle, so it should be £80 and $ 130 US. Also the individual scenery pieces were listed in white dwarf as 1st April preorder but they are not on the site.
Given that the product is clearly limited as rumoured, it seems probable that the rumour of rules coming seperately later is also true.
That pic is strange. It looks like we are getting lots of individual scenery sets, but they are all just different combinations of the same sprues. Also the magnavent is listed as a whole month later than advertised in white dwarf. It seems there has been lots of adjustments to the release schedule.
I'm loving the Harlequin rules. Here's hoping these give us a hint of whats coming in 8th ed. 4+ invuln. -2 to hit if you run. Those would make awesome army wide changes to the Quins.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Maybe Im just not exactly sure how things are supposed to work, but am I the only one that thinks CSM look weak compared to most of the other stuff?
I mean, they're basically slightly inferior slightly cheaper grey knights. 155 for a chaos marine with a bolter and mark (nurgle and tzeentch seem like the clear choices) vs 175 (well, technically 200 since you have to take a melee weapon) for a guy with storm bolter, stave, and hammerhand. Maybe give them all chainswords for some AP in melee, bumping them up to 180, still 20 cheaper for a model that's more durable but slightly less damage output. Seem about on par with each other. Although I don't know if GK are actually any good either, 5 models max seems a little risky, and investing a lot in melee weapons makes them even bigger targets (you can't even give swords to everyone if you have 4 models).
Breaking news from the Gama Trade Show, a brand new boxed game has just been announced – Shadow War: Armageddon.
Some of the Warhammer Community team are currently at the huge trade show in Las Vegas, and are showcasing some of the exciting new releases on the way over the next few months. The first of these is Shadow War: Armageddon.
Right now we don’t have a huge amount of detail on this set (though we will, very soon), but what we do know is that it is a squad-level game set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. The specific setting is the hive cities of War Zone: Armageddon, and the two forces pitted against each other are Space Marines Scouts from the Blood Angels Chapter and ferocious Ork Boyz.
We think the idea of close-range combat amongst the sprawling ruins of Imperial industry sounds pretty ace.
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Shadow War: Armageddon is the spiritual successor to Necromunda and due out VERY SOON. Comes in a MASSIVE (stressed a lot) box full of multilevel terrain, Space Marines, Orks and of course rules. The rules cover 16-17 different factions, so most/all 40k armies are covered.
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I may or may not be currently playing a campaign of Shadow Wars: Armageddon... before it's actually released...
I'd like to run my Vostroyans as an all Veteran gang with carapace armor. No Juves, though I'd consider running some, and I've got special and heavy weapons in abundance as well.
I'm really excited to get my hands on the shadow war book and play a few rounds of 'not-necromunda' with both my Vostroyan Guard and my Blood Angels.
I've been a mere bystander to 40K since literally the day after 8th edition came out, but looking at the Tyranid Warriors wargear section...
...a model can take three pairs of Scything Talons?
I was still active when the plastic flyrant kit came out, and the foot slot indirectly became a place where nids could stick their weapons, but this is still sort of new, no?
Fuel for the "sneak peek at 9th edition" theorists? Or did I miss something during my inactivity?
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Red__Thirst wrote: I'd like to run my Vostroyans as an all Veteran gang with carapace armor. No Juves, though I'd consider running some, and I've got special and heavy weapons in abundance as well.
I'm really excited to get my hands on the shadow war book and play a few rounds of 'not-necromunda' with both my Vostroyan Guard and my Blood Angels.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
Before we all settle on the proper internet slang for this game (Not-cromunda and New-cromunda are legit contenders) I would like to submit my own variant, Ne40Kromunda.
Man. I got to say, this game sure is giving me an excuse to take models out of the pile of shame and give them a fresh new lease on life. And maybe add a Skitari kill team. And a Harlequinn team... oh, my poor wallet.
Altruizine wrote: I've been a mere bystander to 40K since literally the day after 8th edition came out, but looking at the Tyranid Warriors wargear section...
...a model can take three pairs of Scything Talons?
I was still active when the plastic flyrant kit came out, and the foot slot indirectly became a place where nids could stick their weapons, but this is still sort of new, no?
Fuel for the "sneak peek at 9th edition" theorists? Or did I miss something during my inactivity?
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Red__Thirst wrote: I'd like to run my Vostroyans as an all Veteran gang with carapace armor. No Juves, though I'd consider running some, and I've got special and heavy weapons in abundance as well.
I'm really excited to get my hands on the shadow war book and play a few rounds of 'not-necromunda' with both my Vostroyan Guard and my Blood Angels.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
Before we all settle on the proper internet slang for this game (Not-cromunda and New-cromunda are legit contenders) I would like to submit my own variant, Ne40Kromunda.
Three pairs of scything talons apply to Ravener Special Operatives, which is their normal 40K trait, i.e. having three weapon slots.
I have a feeling most old players who start this game likely have most varients covered in thier army. However for new armies be as close to wysiwyg as possible, things that upgrade try to look as close as possible and when it gets beyond looking remotely like it should upgrade your model. Magnets help! As always it's whatever your gaming group accepts. Most of the time proxies are ok if you can clearly tell everything apart.
So, out of curiosity (stay with me here...). What units are available for the Eldar formations in the Gathering Storm II book - are those also limited to plastic kits currently available for the Craftworld Eldar? I seem to recall mention of Wraithguard, Dire Avengers, Guardians, etc.
I'm not understanding the limitation on kits in SWA...I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that certain Eldar kits may be getting re-done or axed. Dire Avengers and upgraded Guardians don't make for an interesting Eldar force..at all.
rollawaythestone wrote: I'm loving the Harlequin rules. Here's hoping these give us a hint of whats coming in 8th ed. 4+ invuln. -2 to hit if you run. Those would make awesome army wide changes to the Quins.
Even better would be the addition of Mimes as a cheaper, more basic unit, and Virtuosos as Heavy Weapon specialists. and a Great Harlequin HQ would make them a lot more flexible.
Hopefully if/when the move stat comes back, it is baselined at 6" like current, and not the 4" like most models here have. Unless they change how run works (no longer prevents shooting, but -1 to hit or less range when running)
I don't know much about Eldar but would it be comparable to GSC getting only Neophytes and not Acolytes? the Wraithguard, like the Acolyte is in the SpecOps section of the download though.
Does a Save Mod. of -6 negate all armour even the Terminator 2D6?
I think everyone's both 1) getting way too freaked out about their specific desired gang makeup not being immediately represented and 2) reading too much into these rules regarding 8th edition.
There's no reason to believe there won't be other versions of armies released. A new Eldar force of Black Guardians, say, or even a Tau Crisis Suit team. And if they're not, it seems pretty easy to make up your own with a little figuring. GW used to be a lot more DIY, and that's what the Inq28 thing is all about. It's your game, make it how you want.
And I don't think these rules will have anything to do with 8th edition. They're strictly 2nd, and I don't see GW going that direction with the main 40k game.
NobodyXY wrote: I don't know much about Eldar but would it be comparable to GSC getting only Neophytes and not Acolytes? the Wraithguard, like the Acolyte is in the SpecOps section of the download though.
Does a Save Mod. of -6 negate all armour even the Terminator 2D6?
I believe Terminators would still get a 9+ save on 2D6.
guru wrote: Available while stocks last and limited to 1 per order
This concerns me as it appears that this game was meant to push the new scenery pieces rather then create a new ongoing game (no new miniatures, only existing miniatures being flogged again) and there won't be any additional expansions except what appears in the White Dwarfs; in the similar vain of Gangs of Commorragh or Lost Patrol (hey more scout miniatures they're trying to get rid of).
All these boxed games have been nice because of the in-built savings, but they are also essentially making us buy models we probably wouldn't normally. I know I am definitely gonna get this box for the game and the terrain and will try and figure out what I want to do with the Orks and Space Marines. Regardless, I am not complaining. It seems like a win-win for the consumer and for Games Workshop. They can pass along a discount and push more models - and there is a chance that some purchasers will start collecting new armies because of the models they get from the box.
If things are going elsewhere as they are going locally, I think GW is going to be shocked by how this game does.
It isn't that 40K players care, it is that people who generally think GW games are unplayable trash are lining up to get a chance to leaf through the rulebook.
It feels like GW's version of Infinity or Malifaux, and while the rules might be a little on the dodgy side, people have a soft spot for the IP and painting and converting on the skirmish level is an appealing itch to scratch.
H.B.M.C. alluded to it best- GW, why do you go in with a great idea, only to run away from the ledge, and disappoint? ( or something to that effect. I can't find it.)
I mean, W.T.F. It's as if GFW doesn't want money....
Why exactly is it too much to ask to honestly have an open season game, you have the units, the models, the open ideas... GW takes it on themselves to gak all over the mother of all skirmish games, and the friggin game isn't even out yet.
WHY is it not open for anyone to just outright play what you want, and have a good time? With some of those so called, "Designers" I just want to give them a pair of cement shoes for Christmas, and call it a day.
Seriously, Dakka is going to have to open up a new slot for "Shadow war", and we can open up the throttle and actually open forum rewrite some of this gak and call it a day.
For some of you new guys, seriously THIS is what we have been waiting for over 15-20 + years, and we get a halfwit attempt. And for what it's worth, the gangs, so to speak, are weak sauce.
I can make up at least 10+ per army, just off the top of my head.....
Then this gak about "While supplies last..." WTF!@@@@@@!!!!!
We won't even let the golden goose come to full adult chicken-hood, we're going to gut it as a chick.
I have mine coming, but we're going to have to have a serious talk with these nubs from GW that continue to beat their head against the wall to stay in the kids table, as we continue to look at them as sport and laugh at their incompetence...
Zatsuku wrote: So in games like Necromunda or Frostgrave or other campaign based systems how do people generally deal with upgrading models between games?
If a model gets new armour or weapon do you just get a new model? Do you tear off their arm and replace it? Use magnets? Counts as?
It all depends on the level of your commitment.
1. You build new models, depending on how you want to use them in the future.
2. Blue tack weapons to the model, depending on how long you want to use them. ( It later comes to make new models for the established guys/ troops gangers.)
3. use another of the collection to change out for the upgrade.
4. Do nothing. Just use the gang roster, and some way of keeping track of your changes to weapon load outs. ( Some of my mates used the weapons as tokens, and used sticky spots on gangers, to coincide with the changes.
So I took a look at the free PDF on GW site, there are no rules for either the Guard or Stormtroopers (and no SM's, for that matter). Am I missing something.
Bobthehero wrote: So I took a look at the free PDF on GW site, there are no rules for either the Guard or Stormtroopers (and no SM's, for that matter). Am I missing something.
Because it takes time to develop the gangs to be at least kind of playable against each other.
Look at the unbalance introduced with basically every version of outlanders ever. These are even more distinct than that.
I'm sure we'll get more in the future... I'm sure we can set up some kind of semi official process to develop more... but we actually have quite a lot already.
Is this going to receive no support? Well, their other games got quite a bit, despite the whinging. But consider this, GoC was just GoC. Silver Tower was WHQ: ST. This is Shadow Wars: Armageddon.
Shadow wars appears to be the series, Armageddon is this box.
Finally, just because it says while stocks last doesn't mean the first time it is out that it's done. All GW releases have been sold out recently, to then come back. Wait and see if more are printed before turning despair to 11.
So, the rules will be a ailable digitally, correct? And you know the scenery kits will be available separately fairly soon, right? Why the absolute nesecity to grab this now? Especially since it's got tired old SM scout and Ork boyz thrown it to make it seem like a good deal.
I've already got scouts and orks coming outa my ears...the main reason this isn't an autobuy for me.
I'm sorta tapped out anyway from both WQ boxes, Overkill, the LE Genestealer Cult box, the GC kits, Bloodbowl, Skaven team, Deathzone, the AoS Tzeentch releases...which consequently convinced me to get the AoS General's Handbook and the Desciples of Tzeentch battletome. I'm officially overextended. Roundtree tailored the releases from the last year and a half to specifically target me and my nostalgia button...my credit card is still smoking!
Now, I think it's crummy for GW to make the 'supply is limited' claim. I have to think the box will just be sold out while they make another print run. If it truly is a one-and-done limited release, then we still have Necromunda, and the inevitable eventual release of these great new scenery kits.
It's more that the boxset has the scenery at a discount.
And we don't know if the rules will be available digitally. They very much could be but for all we know only the currently uploaded kill teams will be free digitally.
I wouldn't be surprised if either the rulebook goes up separately or if this box is followed by another similar limited set in the future with different factions and terrain.
I think it's possible non-uk territories are limited more in stock than the UK because by all accounts this is a rush release that's been brought forward to fill Titanicus slipping. Hence why we are getting most faction rules for free, and why there is no black library support.
Think GW are going to see some good unit box sales given the duality of most of them which will give some flexibility for this game. I'm interested as to what has happened about the scenery pieces though.
From looking at white dwarf the description of the scenery in the box doesn't match the pics - they show that under hanging skull thing from the £45 set, which isn't in the box according to the description.
I will skip this release and wait for a new Necromunda (from Specialist Design Studio). The much-needed terrain is out now, some new plastic gangers and a (slightly) updated rulebook sold as a boxed set and we are ready to go.
While I think Shadow War is a good thing, and will try to get a few games in, I will purchase the terrain later and not with this initial set. A SWA sequel seems to be likely as well, so maybe I will purchase that.
I would prefer a sequel focusing on Inquisitors. Blanchitsu & Inquisimunda - some original artwork and new plastic Inquisitor miniatures, sold as an Inquisimunda starter set with a Warband against Warband campaign to play through.
Surprised that this is limited availability. Not surprised it has already sold out in NZ - guess it will repeat that trend across today. I really really hope the rules are released as a seperate eBook or paper book. I have loads of scenery (original Necromunda stuff) and so the updated rules is the only essential part for me. I really want to play this game.
So right now there is no real way of knowing if the rules will be available outside of the main box?
As nice as the set is, I look at the original necromunda scenery I have and the stuff I built using all the mantic scenery kits (which I think is more suited to creating multi-level tables than the GW attempt, even if it lacks the detail of GW), and al I want is rules.
Although looking at white dwarf, they are not too far off the final compendium rulebook (Underhive) that GW released for original Necromunda, so it perhaps just is not something for a customer that already has all this stuff, and is not intended to be.
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dreadedman wrote: Its showing on the UK page now but when clicking the link its going to error 404 :(
My guess is this'll be exactly like the last few releases that sold out immediately; they'll quickly announce that they're printing more and it'll get added to the permanent catalogue... at least I'm pretty sure of the former but hoping for the latter. My guess is they wanted to judge demand before printing too many and its kind of an experiment. The last minute lowered price supports this I feel.
I might just post that Necromunda rules and articles are available free on Yaktribe.org right now on every page and see if anyone notices. Seems not, and they need them in a box from GW for some reason despite owning minis and terrain already. Hey ho.
Pity they kept the nonsese that Eldar Guardians are WS and BS 4. WS4 should be reserved for elite units - WS3 represent trained soliders which is fair enough for the Eldar poet who vaguely remebers his training when he puts on his war mask.
IIRC the resin Canoness was limited only until GW realised with shock that people wanted to buy her so I would guess that the boxed set will be out agian soon.
JohnnyHell wrote: I might just post that Necromunda rules and articles are available free on Yaktribe.org right now on every page and see if anyone notices. Seems not, and they need them in a box from GW for some reason despite owning minis and terrain already. Hey ho.
But not that terrain.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's available to buy. Not showing on the homepage, but on the tab pre-orders when you click the WH40k logo.
JohnnyHell wrote: I might just post that Necromunda rules and articles are available free on Yaktribe.org right now on every page and see if anyone notices. Seems not, and they need them in a box from GW for some reason despite owning minis and terrain already. Hey ho.
I've been playing Yaktribe Necro for two years... still very excited for Shadow Wars
Thanks guys got it ordered from GW. Disappointed Element were sold out but £80 is less than I was expecting and I actually think that isn't a bad price.
JohnnyHell wrote: I might just post that Necromunda rules and articles are available free on Yaktribe.org right now on every page and see if anyone notices. Seems not, and they need them in a box from GW for some reason despite owning minis and terrain already. Hey ho.
I'm a long time fan and player of the original Necromunda but the rules here are different enough to warrant the rules being a desirable purchase. Gangs have access to "special operatives" that don't cost points/credits. How do I add them into my gang? No idea if I don't have the new rules. Same goes for scenarios/promethium caches and all the other changes.
I'm happy to play with my original rules, but I would like to play with the revised rules too.
I would remind people that the 'Sold Out' thing on GW's website can, on occasion, be mis-leading, and rather than indicate that's your lot, it's instead 'out of stock'.
I'd just decided it wasn't worth the £10 saving from third parties, once you count shipping, and went back to the GW page to find it sold out Should have just hit the buy button!
Here's hoping they do a second run; they've been pretty good about that recently IIRC, for things that sell out insanely fast.
Wow, turned on the laptop at 10 minutes past 10 and had to hunt around 7 different online stores before I could find somewhere that still had this available.
Little concerned my order won't be fulfilled to be honest, as it wasn't a place I've ordered from before.
Want is it with GW releasing things like this that sell out in 10 minutes. It's like they don't want to make money.
Sold out in the UK by 10:19 when I checked. I would love see the expression on the face of GW staff who thought specialist games were a waste of time when they find out that a game significantly derived and inspired by Necromunda sells out in around 15 minutes.
Anyway, I only want the rulebook, but for everyone else I hope GW restock soon. It is good to see something Necromunda related getting some substantial support.
dreadedman wrote: Still available through some online retailers, might be worth a look for people who missed out.
Take that with a pinch of salt, the third parties often don't know exactly how many they will get. I've been burnt before on making a preorder that then couldn't be fulfilled. Got my money back automatically, with no hassle, but missed out on the product.
dreadedman wrote: Still available through some online retailers, might be worth a look for people who missed out.
Who? I can't see any
You could try Wayland Games as it's still available on there, however don't hold your breath as I've been caught out a couple of times in the past (Skaven Blood Bowl dice to name but one) and had pre-orders refunded because they've oversubscribed and don't always seem to be able to get the required volume of stock from GW.
GW strikes again, I wonder if more will be made available this is getting pretty ridiculous, but not unsurprising tbh. I wonder how many of the units that got sold in the last 15 minutes will end up on ebay for inflated prices.
I would love to know how big the stock of this is compared to Dreadfleet. After that I honestly wondered if we would see any box games like this again.
I just cant believe it they made this a limited run. At least if they released a solo rulebook to go along with it then maybe, MAYBE i could understand this. But i just cant comprehend this.
To raise the hopes of so many players aaaand its gone? Really?
I managed to secure a copy from gw direct but I was hitting refresh every thirty seconds or so from nine o clock much to my wife's frustration. I think gw own their own printing press now so they may be able to get more copies together, or at least make the rules available. Can't wait to use my old necromunda gangs against genestealer cults and tau infiltration teams.
Glumy wrote: I just cant believe it they made this a limited run. At least if they released a solo rulebook to go along with it then maybe, MAYBE i could understand this. But i just cant comprehend this.
To raise the hopes of so many players aaaand its gone? Really?
I just called my local store and they are reserving a copy for me, so that's an option for some people as well. Had to go in to get some paints anyways so not that big a deal.
Tamereth wrote: Want is it with GW releasing things like this that sell out in 10 minutes. It's like they don't want to make money.
More that they don't want to risk overproducing stock IMO. Unsold stock costs them money to sit in there warehouses and it takes up space that could be used by other products. The production and shipping orders for Shadow war would have been placed months ago and it seems that with this box GW decided to err on the side of caution in there predictions. Its frustrating for us as customers but I can understand why GW would make the decision. Hopefully the fast sales will convince GW to do more runs and support the game in the future.
Glumy wrote: I just cant believe it they made this a limited run. At least if they released a solo rulebook to go along with it then maybe, MAYBE i could understand this. But i just cant comprehend this.
To raise the hopes of so many players aaaand its gone? Really?
Don't worry, they'll print more, they usually do.
They'll leave it long enough for everyone to panic order and then put it up on Facebook that they're printing more
Not sure how much slack GW have in there production schedule but they can restock quickly at times. IIRC the Tzeentch battle tome and the Spire of Dawn box were restocked within a few weeks.
Well, I'm not a big purchaser of GW products - although I subscribe to WD.
Since the Space Hulk release a year or two ago that my lad saw in my WD and wanted for Christmas, I've kept tabs on the items I've actually *tried to buy* from GW and failed to get on the day of release. I've saved £475 so far. Not counting any further purchases I would have made if I'd had the item I wanted in the first place and gone on to buy more releated stuff.
I guess I should thank GW's lousy business practices for all that money I've been able to spend elsewhere.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well, I'm not a big purchaser of GW products - although I subscribe to WD.
Since the Space Hulk release a year or two ago that my lad saw in my WD and wanted for Christmas, I've kept tabs on the items I've actually *tried to buy* from GW and failed to get on the day of release. I've saved £475 so far. Not counting any further purchases I would have made if I'd had the item I wanted in the first place and gone on to buy more releated stuff.
I guess I should thank GW's lousy business practices for all that money I've been able to spend elsewhere.
I feel like this is a moan for the sake of moaning.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well, I'm not a big purchaser of GW products - although I subscribe to WD.
Since the Space Hulk release a year or two ago that my lad saw in my WD and wanted for Christmas, I've kept tabs on the items I've actually *tried to buy* from GW and failed to get on the day of release. I've saved £475 so far. Not counting any further purchases I would have made if I'd had the item I wanted in the first place and gone on to buy more releated stuff.
I guess I should thank GW's lousy business practices for all that money I've been able to spend elsewhere.
So... why didn't you wait for restocks if you actually wanted the items in question?
I like the "seeing a thing in White Dwarf and wanting it for Christmas, but it had gone by then, raaa GW bad" story. It reminds me of the movie with the painting of the lady and he finds out it's from 20 years ago so he goes back in time to meet the lady or something - you know the one I mean
Tamereth wrote: Want is it with GW releasing things like this that sell out in 10 minutes. It's like they don't want to make money.
More that they don't want to risk overproducing stock IMO. Unsold stock costs them money to sit in there warehouses and it takes up space that could be used by other products. The production and shipping orders for Shadow war would have been placed months ago and it seems that with this box GW decided to err on the side of caution in there predictions. Its frustrating for us as customers but I can understand why GW would make the decision. Hopefully the fast sales will convince GW to do more runs and support the game in the future.
Also, this box is twice the size of any boxed game released recently - taking double the space in warehouses.
Still, it's quite lame to build up hype for a new game just to have it sold out in 15 minutes. I hope the rulebook and scenery will be available separately sooner rather than later.
I understand not wanting to overstock and sit on product for too long. I'm sure a few of them remember the issues with Gorkamorka.
But selling out in 10 minutes means you've drastically under produced. The fact that they keep doing it consistently shows they don't understand their own customer base. Which screams of a badly run business.
For example if they made 10,000 copies of this, and sold them out in 10 minutes that's a good chunk of change for them. But if they could have sold 100,000 in a week then they are throwing away a lot of easy money. If only they did a bit of market research to understand their customer base they would have a much better idea about what will or won't sell.
Bit of a balls up really to underestimate the massive demand for this game. They did much the same with Gangs of Commoragh and that still hasn't come back into print.
Tamereth wrote: I understand not wanting to overstock and sit on product for too long. I'm sure a few of them remember the issues with Gorkamorka.
But selling out in 10 minutes means you've drastically under produced. The fact that they keep doing it consistently shows they don't understand their own customer base. Which screams of a badly run business.
For example if they made 10,000 copies of this, and sold them out in 10 minutes that's a good chunk of change for them. But if they could have sold 100,000 in a week then they are throwing away a lot of easy money. If only they did a bit of market research to understand their customer base they would have a much better idea about what will or won't sell.
They don't consistently sell out at all. Most of the recent boxed games are still in stock. Lost Patrol is gone for good, Commoragh is temporarily out of stock, DW:OK, Calth and Prospero are all still in stock, Blood Bowl is still in stock, etc. They've underestimated this one but I expect they'll do another version with guardsmen and genestealers or something in due course.
Is it one that doesn't have a plastic box? Since the game seems to be a way to help people buy one or two plastic sets and get playing straight away that would make sense
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well, I'm not a big purchaser of GW products - although I subscribe to WD.
Since the Space Hulk release a year or two ago that my lad saw in my WD and wanted for Christmas, I've kept tabs on the items I've actually *tried to buy* from GW and failed to get on the day of release. I've saved £475 so far. Not counting any further purchases I would have made if I'd had the item I wanted in the first place and gone on to buy more releated stuff.
I guess I should thank GW's lousy business practices for all that money I've been able to spend elsewhere.
So... why didn't you wait for restocks if you actually wanted the items in question?
Because none of them were ever made/reprinted/sold again.
Bull0 wrote: I like the "seeing a thing in White Dwarf and wanting it for Christmas, but it had gone by then, raaa GW bad" story. It reminds me of the movie with the painting of the lady and he finds out it's from 20 years ago so he goes back in time to meet the lady or something - you know the one I mean
Erm.. I got the weekly WD on the Saturday of release. Looked at it with my lad. He asked for Space Hulk for Xmas. I went to the website on the day of release (that day itself) to order, and it was gone. Yeah, they reprinted it a year or so later, but the moment my lad had wanted it had gone.
Back in the late 90's early 2000's. GW produced a giant catalogue of everything they made. You could order anything from it. You could always get it. Nowadays if you don't order some of the stuff within the first 10 minutes of pre-order, the chance has gone.
I know it isn't concrete, but their FB rep has been replying to people asking with the line of "It was 'while stocks last' and there is no more info at this time".
Now, it is Saturday, so most people won't be at work in Nottingham HQ, but it does rather concern you when there isn't even the reply of "more will be coming" etc.
But I am pretty sure "while stocks last" and with 1 per order it shouldn't gone in a matter of minutes. These aren't Bieber tickets! :-)
Yes, you can go to the store and buy it, if you are one of the lucky few who has a store that is either willing to keep one aside for you or if you are willing to rock up to the store right on opening with everyone else and hope you get your hands on one of the 5 or whatever boxes the store will have.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well, I'm not a big purchaser of GW products - although I subscribe to WD.
Since the Space Hulk release a year or two ago that my lad saw in my WD and wanted for Christmas, I've kept tabs on the items I've actually *tried to buy* from GW and failed to get on the day of release. I've saved £475 so far. Not counting any further purchases I would have made if I'd had the item I wanted in the first place and gone on to buy more releated stuff.
I guess I should thank GW's lousy business practices for all that money I've been able to spend elsewhere.
So... why didn't you wait for restocks if you actually wanted the items in question?
Because none of them were ever made/reprinted/sold again.
Ah yes, now that I think about it there have been quite a few limited items since 2014. Space Hulk, the campaign boxes (Deathmasque et al), and the army boxed this Christmas. Since they all came with huge discounts I'm guessing they are the types of items you were after. Still, Space Hulk aside, you can still get the contents, just not discounted to the same degree.
NoggintheNog wrote: They will be on ebay for £200 next saturday if GW do not announce a future restock beforehand.
It's a box of separately available terrain, old scouts, basic orks and a rulebook that's pretty much a copy of an old and freely available rulebook
Don't be ridiculous.
It is.
And it was when it sold out in 10 minutes.
And it still will be when people are putting up for silly money. Because they will, as they have done for every other limited release in the last decade. Once supply is restricted, that is simply what happens.
Supply isn't restricted. Literally everything is available, just not in a discounted bundle.
Unless red templates (which probably will come out anyway) and a hardcopy of a largely free rulebook (which probably will be released as an e version) is worth £100+ to you.
Seriously,Kinda Pissed,Was going to buy it today go's to look,and it's all like access denied sold out not available so "not cool" GW they best get the molds heated and make more they are missing out on massive coin while it says the word sold out.
I kinda thought this game was a gateway game to get new players into buying GW stuff.
If all they had to sell a new player was a softback rulebook and 1 box of figures to start gaming, it was less daunting than buying an expensive set of hardback rules, a codex and about 5 boxes minimum.
Once a new player has bought a box and played a while, they'll buy a new set of figures, and so on, till they have enough to get 40k rules and play fully.
By not reprinting, they really are taking a step forward and 2 steps back.
Got up for when they went online, got one in my cart and by the time I got to the payment screen it had sold out.
Pretty disappointed, as I was really excited for this.
Same as the other post says, GW replied to my facebook moaning and said that no more box sets coming, it would be a digital book and separate terrain.
Which sadly puts me out of being able to play the game. I wont pay for a digital book that I then need to print out, and I refuse to pay the stupid mark up that people will sell on ebay for.
No problem with buying terrain own its own, even though I know it will cost more than the box set, and probably would have done so even If I had gotten the box set. But sadly wont buy any where near the amount I would have, if I had gotten a copy of the game.
local rep confirmed it was a one shot and done set with only a max of 10 per store.
They originally stated there was going to be no seperate rulebook of any kind, obviously that has changed so who knows.
Reading between the lines of what he said, they intended this for vets to give them somthing to use there armies in when 8th hits.
have the scouts/space marines rules been leaked? would love to see if I can create a kill team without trying to make a whole 10 man squad of ugly scouts look good.
SeanDrake wrote: local rep confirmed it was a one shot and done set with only a max of 10 per store.
They originally stated there was going to be no seperate rulebook of any kind, obviously that has changed so who knows.
Which really makes you wonder why there was so much effort put into the multiple pages of articles/advertising in a worldwide publication like White Dwarf if they make 10 per store and 19 minutes worth of online sales. That oil rig was probably 10% of the stock manufactured.
What next...
"Warhammer 40,000 8th edition?"
"Sorry, we only printed 50. Maybe wait for 9th edition?"
1.They severely underestimated demand for what is essentially one of the most popular games they have ever made outside the core two. I really do think they have no idea who their audience is at this point. (That does not bode well for a complete redesign of the core 40K game, its actually pretty worrying).
2. They appear to have no plans, at all, for releasing the rules as a physical book beyond the limited run boxed game.That makes no sense purely from a commercial level, let alone from the whole 'game that needs other people to play' bit.
Many people will not buy digital books, they are essentially throwing sales away here and restricting the games playerbase deliberately, which for a game company is pretty much insane. They have made some big strides forward in the last 12 months, but as a company, they really need to learn the value of market research, quickly.
1.They severely underestimated demand for what is essentially one of the most popular games they have ever made outside the core two. I really do think they have no idea who their audience is at this point. (That does not bode well for a complete redesign of the core 40K game, its actually pretty worrying).
2. They appear to have no plans, at all, for releasing the rules as a physical book beyond the limited run boxed game.That makes no sense purely from a commercial level, let alone from the whole 'game that needs other people to play' bit.
Many people will not buy digital books, they are essentially throwing sales away here and restricting the games playerbase deliberately, which for a game company is pretty much insane. They have made some big strides forward in the last 12 months, but as a company, they really need to learn the value of market research, quickly.
Don't forget that in an almost unprecedented move they reduced the price before release. It looks to me that it was simply a way of off loading dead stock of ancient ugly models and potentially scenery that won't fit the new art style/scale of 8th (My personal theory is that all these games are being made with models that have not paid off there mold/original production costs and are produced in the exact amounts need.to pay these off also see GoC,Lost Patrol etc)
Seems I got lucky.. I managed to nab one on the GW store before it sold out, and got a second from my preferred online discounter thirty minutes ago as its barely known.. he still has three online as of now.. as he just list's his allocation and once its sold its sold.
Wanted the two for the terrain.. probably will get a couple of the platform kits when they arrive as well.
They don't even have to do a full print run of the rulebook to make it available - they already have the print files (obviously), and the costs for print on demand or automatic stock replenishment are negligible. They could have have it up on the website to order separately from day one. It makes no sense at all that the whole game was apparently a one-shot deal, but I am glad they're backtracking and putting out a PDF version.
richstrach wrote: They don't even have to do a full print run of the rulebook to make it available - they already have the print files (obviously), and the costs for print on demand or automatic stock replenishment are negligible. They could have have it up on the website to order separately from day one. It makes no sense at all that the whole game was apparently a one-shot deal, but I am glad they're backtracking and putting out a PDF version.
Obviously, you don't really know how print industry works, do you? Minimal offset print run is 500 copies, just to make making print plates and setting up the machine worthy. "On demand" digital print of comparable quality is ridiculously more expensive...
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Seems I got lucky.. I managed to nab one on the GW store before it sold out, and got a second from my preferred online discounter thirty minutes ago as its barely known.. he still has three online as of now.. as he just list's his allocation and once its sold its sold.
Wanted the two for the terrain.. probably will get a couple of the platform kits when they arrive as well.
You're part of the problem. Maybe if you know it's limited, don't buy two.
No, he's really not. If he's getting them to use, build and game with, then more power to him for getting a pair from two different sources. If he was buying one to scalp, then I'd think he was an arsehole, but for different reasons.
The blame for "the problem" lies entirely with GW.
I wonder if the problem lies with GW's increased release rate of the last few years. In April alone they are releasing 2 army books a full range of new minis and this boxed game. That is a massive ramp up from a few years ago when a game like this would have had a month to itself.
It is also probable that the studio have very little say about how many copies of a new product is produced.
Coupled with that if you read the Facebook pages and this forum, the overwhelming majority of posts were something along the lines of 'what a load of crap! Where's my real Necromunda?'
The obvious solution is to have a much longer preorder window to gauge demand more accurately but I don't see GW doing that any time soon.
The upside of this is that the public has shown that there is very high demand for this type of game so a new Necromunda from the specialist studios team is looking like a much more viable product.
Hey folks! A lot of fantastic information here. I'm not 100% new to 40k but I certainly have never delved into the gaming side of it.
Considering picking up either Harlequins or Necrons for a gang. Could someone give me a general overview on playstyle?
I know it was also mentioned in another post that models costing over 100 pts also require promethium cache, so harlequins won't have access to "free" units to buy, whereas at least necrons will have weaponless warriors.
You're part of the problem. Maybe if you know it's limited, don't buy two.
If it wasn't limited I'd have brought four or five.
I have Orks and Marines... so as Necromunda is one of my fave GW games, combined with the fact I have both armies in the set.. this was a total no brainer for me.. really, annoyed GW fethed it up, as I'd have brought more.
My fear on the matter is, the terrain was one of the key things with this release, and its limited due to the fact GW didn't want to let too much of the terrain go for discount and that's not even taking note of the Orks and Scouts in the box.. going on the pre order prices for the terrain its £105, with the models about £130, so you are saving £50 at GW price, almost getting it for half from a discounter.
richstrach wrote: They don't even have to do a full print run of the rulebook to make it available - they already have the print files (obviously), and the costs for print on demand or automatic stock replenishment are negligible. They could have have it up on the website to order separately from day one. It makes no sense at all that the whole game was apparently a one-shot deal, but I am glad they're backtracking and putting out a PDF version.
Obviously, you don't really know how print industry works, do you? Minimal offset print run is 500 copies, just to make making print plates and setting up the machine worthy. "On demand" digital print of comparable quality is ridiculously more expensive...
I work in publishing, i know perfectly well how it works. Pretty much everything we do now is digital printing set to ASR, and while the quality isn't as good as litho, I reckon it's more than serviceable for this kind of product (a paperback rulebook).
Chikout wrote: I wonder if the problem lies with GW's increased release rate of the last few years. In April alone they are releasing 2 army books a full range of new minis and this boxed game. That is a massive ramp up from a few years ago when a game like this would have had a month to itself.
It is also probable that the studio have very little say about how many copies of a new product is produced.
Coupled with that if you read the Facebook pages and this forum, the overwhelming majority of posts were something along the lines of 'what a load of crap! Where's my real Necromunda?'
The obvious solution is to have a much longer preorder window to gauge demand more accurately but I don't see GW doing that any time soon.
The upside of this is that the public has shown that there is very high demand for this type of game so a new Necromunda from the specialist studios team is looking like a much more viable product.
As much as I hate this whole "sold out armageddon" and spend the whole morning trying to find any Polish retailer that still had a copy to order, I wouldn't realy overestimate the real demand for either Necromunda or Shadow War in absolute numbers... For internet to go into flames today, it is enough that only a hundred people missed their purchase window. And because both Dakka and FB fanpage are WORLDWIDE, the actual demand/dissapointment ratio can be a lot smaller than it seems. Of course this is ridiculous, that a game hyped for two weeks goes "sold out" in ten minutes, but I woundn't judge just how much of "missed profit" there really is in this whole situation just by internet cursing today... FB thread is only a 100 posts long, for the entire week long hype and there are just about a dozen people asking for restock...
Ah wasn't aware of that.. will need to get another of those as well as the extra platforms then.
edit - and yeah terrain is the main reason, the two armies is an added bonus to justifiy the cost, especially as I am a real big fan of Scouts.. considered doing a 10th Company more than once.... also planning to play the game with three to four players... so going to need a load of terrain for this.
I'm pretty sure it's down to Titanicus not appearing,
they needed a box game for roughly the previous slot and shadow war was moved up, and used a lot of the publicity slots they had originally penned in for those sweet, sweet titans (and probably had far shorter production window because of it hence the small number for sale)
richstrach wrote: They don't even have to do a full print run of the rulebook to make it available - they already have the print files (obviously), and the costs for print on demand or automatic stock replenishment are negligible. They could have have it up on the website to order separately from day one. It makes no sense at all that the whole game was apparently a one-shot deal, but I am glad they're backtracking and putting out a PDF version.
Obviously, you don't really know how print industry works, do you? Minimal offset print run is 500 copies, just to make making print plates and setting up the machine worthy. "On demand" digital print of comparable quality is ridiculously more expensive...
I work in publishing, i know perfectly well how it works. Pretty much everything we do now is digital printing set to ASR, and while the quality isn't as good as litho, I reckon it's more than serviceable for this kind of product (a paperback rulebook).
I agree, that they could do something like this downgrading quality to something like B&W softcover, but this would go against this whole "highest quality, premium games company" marketing attitude GW goes by... And I assume they are not printing anything in-house.
Firstly, this was going to be my first GW purchase for a while and was looking forward to it. Planned to read the GK rules and then pop an order in. To find it out it's sold out already seems crazy
Secondly, after the disappointing re-hash of Kill Team, I was hoping for GW to support a good Skirmish rule set. The fact of this being limited, and it appears no plans originally to release the rules separately (know changed thankfully) it just seems like it's another of those throw away box sets that GW has been pumping out recently.
Only hope is that GW realise the level of interest around this, and re-think the limited run and level of support.
Chikout wrote: Just noticed that all this week's preorder are limited to one per order. I wonder if GW is having some supply issues that they are not talking about.
That is interesting. Seems to be on everything except the Warlord novel and OFC the digital versions. The Talons of the Emperor box was/is also limited to one per order as well. It could be a supply problem, or could a fair bit of there capacity may be tied up with something else(8th ed 40k)? Or it could be GW's way of trying to stop stuff selling out so quick and they really messed up with the Shadow war stock.
Hopefully it's just the same as what happened with the Kill Team box - that's OOP but the digital rules are still up on the Black Library site (or Warhammer Digital, whatever it is now). I don't know why they went to so much trouble advertising it though if it was just going to be limited, it's baffling!
Chikout wrote: Just noticed that all this week's preorder are limited to one per order. I wonder if GW is having some supply issues that they are not talking about.
That is interesting. Seems to be on everything except the Warlord novel and OFC the digital versions. The Talons of the Emperor box was/is also limited to one per order as well. It could be a supply problem, or could a fair bit of there capacity may be tied up with something else(8th ed 40k)? Or it could be GW's way of trying to stop stuff selling out so quick and they really messed up with the Shadow war stock.
Likely it's a hold-up somewhere on the printing end. Talons of the Emperor included booklets with rules for the Custodes/Sisters and many of the other "1 per order" items of late have been printed material, not models.
The Blades of Khorne book is limited to 1 per order; but remember it includes a freebie set of Blood Tithe(read: magicy bits) cards. The Warscroll Cards are limited to 1 per order; but remember that's basically some cards with the warscrolls printed on them.
The remaining 3 items for Blades of Khorne are bundles that include those two items--why wouldn't they be limited to 1 per order? There was a few instances in the past where items would be "limited to 1 per order" individually but not in bundles--which led to issues where people who ordered individual items wouldn't get them because people bought bundles en masse.
Also worth noting that they might think that people are planning on "splitting" these boxes and sharing out rules, group-style. A long shot on my end but it wouldn't be the first time.
Having a look through the additional KT pdf. The Tyranid one seems pretty weird - it's entirely warriors with not a single Gaunt or Ripper or Gargoyle to be seen. Which, alright, not something I'dve expected but I can get behind. But then the special operatives are a Prime, a Ravener and a Zoan - where the hell is the Lictor?? You know, the bioform tailor made for these sort of behind enemy lines infiltration missions...
Will still probably give Nids a go, but seems like a pretty glaring oversight from someone who likely doesn't know the Nid fluff well and has shoehorned them in using the kits available in plastic.
Benlisted wrote: Having a look through the additional KT pdf. The Tyranid one seems pretty weird - it's entirely warriors with not a single Gaunt or Ripper or Gargoyle to be seen. Which, alright, not something I'dve expected but I can get behind. But then the special operatives are a Prime, a Ravener and a Zoan - where the hell is the Lictor?? You know, the bioform tailor made for these sort of behind enemy lines infiltration missions...
Will still probably give Nids a go, but seems like a pretty glaring oversight from someone who likely doesn't know the Nid fluff well and has shoehorned them in using the kits available in plastic.
As BrookM said, lictors are only resin. But that being said, the actual Tyranid Kill Team actually seems powerfull.
Benlisted wrote: Having a look through the additional KT pdf. The Tyranid one seems pretty weird - it's entirely warriors with not a single Gaunt or Ripper or Gargoyle to be seen. Which, alright, not something I'dve expected but I can get behind. But then the special operatives are a Prime, a Ravener and a Zoan - where the hell is the Lictor?? You know, the bioform tailor made for these sort of behind enemy lines infiltration missions...
Will still probably give Nids a go, but seems like a pretty glaring oversight from someone who likely doesn't know the Nid fluff well and has shoehorned them in using the kits available in plastic.
As BrookM said, lictors are only resin. But that being said, the actual Tyranid Kill Team actually seems powerfull.
I also did suggest that that may be why they aren't in there (see bold)! Yeah, not disagreeing that they seem good, but it seems a bit weird to be running a Nid KT without Lictors and Gaunts...
Back on "sold out armageddon", I might have a some sort of a "will see shortly" answer to this. The actual "Shadow War: Armageddon" might not be sold out at all, only this 25% discounted version is. A kind of "April Fools" prank with a benefit for those who fell for it. One retailer in Poland had his first batch sold and now it has an info about a restock in april but now listed for a "proper" WD price. This would answer every confusion about WD prices, non-available separate terrain kits and very limited run...
Also worth noting that they might think that people are planning on "splitting" these boxes and sharing out rules, group-style. A long shot on my end but it wouldn't be the first time.
Sadly, if they think that, Its people like me that miss out, and GW miss out on getting my cash. I dont have a group, if I want a rule book now I will have to either go ebay and pay some ridiculous price or hope I catch one going up on the trade groups at the right time. If I could buy the rulebook, I'd have no issue on buying the terrain separately, and for slightly more, as I missed out on the starter box. The minis in the box would just go in the conversion pile, and I'm happy to make my own tokens/source some templates as I prefer 3d tokens anyway, that fit more into the game.
If I could buy a copy of rules I'd still spend money on the terrain, as for warbands I have tons of minis already waiting to be used. Its really the rulebook and the huge mech/servitor spider I wanted, the rest of the terrain is nice, but I will buy what I need from the smaller kits. As for now, I have no use for buying the terrain on its own, as I cant get the rulebook.
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nou wrote: Back on "sold out armageddon", I might have a some sort of a "will see shortly" answer to this. The actual "Shadow War: Armageddon" might not be sold out at all, only this 25% discounted version is. A kind of "April Fools" prank with a benefit for those who fell for it. One retailer in Poland had his first batch sold and now it has an info about a restock in april but now listed for a "proper" WD price. This would answer every confusion about WD prices, non-available separate terrain kits and very limited run...
No, GW made it clear on facebook this morning that the game was limited run and is now sold out. The terrain is coming out on its own, and the prices are higher (one of the blogs had some pictures of the prices) GW said that the rules will become a digital download, but no more books at this time.
nou wrote: Back on "sold out armageddon", I might have a some sort of a "will see shortly" answer to this. The actual "Shadow War: Armageddon" might not be sold out at all, only this 25% discounted version is. A kind of "April Fools" prank with a benefit for those who fell for it. One retailer in Poland had his first batch sold and now it has an info about a restock in april but now listed for a "proper" WD price. This would answer every confusion about WD prices, non-available separate terrain kits and very limited run...
No, GW made it clear on facebook this morning that the game was limited run and is now sold out. The terrain is coming out on its own, and the prices are higher (one of the blogs had some pictures of the prices) GW said that the rules will become a digital download, but no more books at this time.
I follow this whole day so I know all of this, but a lot of things just don't add up: usually we have posts on Warhammer-community on "releas saturday" for the whole day. And on FB page. Today it is not the case, GW is strangely silent and those statements about limited run might still be a part of this elaborate prant. The price is oddly reduced, there are no terrain kits etc.. And last couple of months GW was all about good relations with community. If I'm right, then Armageddon stock will be back up, with all what was advertised in WD either today at NZ midnight or as soon as Aprils Fools in US is over.
