GrimDork wrote: Haha, I don't think I wanna get any FW or extra supplements, I'm pretty sure generic ultras can get retardedly expensive. I do have some space wolf bits though so maybe an allied contingent
Of course 4/5th of my terminators already have DA markings...
Oh yeah AoV I did get herders for my martians, just not sure what else I could add in besides bugs for the clawed beasts (which you can only get one of per batch)
Umm nope. You can get an entire herd of them now. Without Beastmasters if you saw fit IIRC. I think it was up to 12 in a unit? I'd tell you for sure if my iPad battery hadn't run out lol.
Finished the front of that shirt, and oh look there's a martian bug sneaking around I fixed the last e already, just wasn't done in the photo. Gotta do the back. Thoughts? I think it could have had some better composition and I'm probably not going to stencil clean letters again, something jagged like the 300 logo looks better. There's also a bit of splatter around the 300, doesn't show up in the photo.
Now to finish up the groundwork on the rank bases and diorama scene.
Do angry marines grim. You can be as silly as you like. Get a basic paint job using army painter yellow primer or something, edge highlight pick,out the details and go crazy on the modeling
I dunno I might take myself too seriously to do angry marines.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I mean that I may not be able to make them look right. Some people have a certain ability to pull stuff like that off, I'm not sure I'm there. Maybe some conversions and you guys can tell me if they're angry marines or just OTT marines?
We'll see! The guys running the little gamestore on the edge of town are young and seem to be trying hard so I have a feeling in a few years there may be a pretty strong little gaming community there, if the store stays afloat. I may see about spending some money with them next year when I'm back up to full time (winter layoff and spending freezes impending) rather than gorging myself on kickstarters There have been a couple-three old grognards at the library the time or three I've gone, might be able to find something D&D-ish, and that last time there was a younger guy who was pretty pen and paper enthusiastic.
The guy what runs the library thing may have suggested he had an old GW army or two, I'm thinking 40k but my memory for details is kind of lame.
There are prospects, and I am not without hope. Patience is the key here though.
Thats ok though, this is the cool crowd that doesn't bitch endlessly about Mantic or get hung up on fantasy game dinosaur anatomy
I'm pretty sure the only way to really get things moving is a clutch win from add-on Wednesday. They were kind of lackluster for DS and we only get two of them for this, so I hope they bring out some impressive can't-live-without add-ons to get backers pledging more
On the Hobby front, I got a little curvy papercraft box from hobby lobby for a couple of bucks that may get made into a building at some point, and some green felt to use for my daughter's play table. We'll see how that goes, it may be what I do for my next fantasy table due to cost and ease of use. And the fact that using 3-4 tubs of static grass and 2-3 large bottles of elmer's glue to hold it all down has left me with boards that still shed almost ten years later =/
Automatically Appended Next Post: On that subject, what do you guys think, buildings with liftable roofs and interiors or no?
GrimDork wrote: Lol now *that* is interesting Although didn't beastmasters/packs get knocked down a peg or something?
FYI it's definitely a unit of 12 in ANY combination. Pretty expensive unit though if it's all Clawed Fiends at 30pts each. They have Rage which gives +2A for charging rather than +1A. If they make a disordered charge they don't benefit from it whatsoever.
Disordered charge is what now, attacking two units? Or is it going through cover first? Either way I'm sure it's exploitable to their detriment
I don't really care too much about winning anyway, but I can't help but get into the works/doesn't work and viability/cool dilemmas when I look at 40k.
Hopefully my blatantly over the top original marines, (BOTTOM has a nice ring to it ehh?) don't fall victim
Heh BOTTOM Marines. 'Cause it's funny, since adding the last word of an acronym after the acronym (and thusly saying things like automated teller machine machine) is a pet peeve but it's amusing to annoy myself I guess I can just refer to them as my Bottoms too
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Para, oh this is for my deadzone/infinity desert/badlands outpost board. Since all you do with most fantasy buildings is move around them, it's largely easier to just field rocks
Actually I got to BOTT in like 2 seconds, then spent several minutes trying to figure out a good O to allow for the addition of an M. Still open for change...
I thought that was what disordered charge may be. Good to know.
I may look into building a few interior bits that I could cast with my unused casting kit. Like wall details. Like a thin-ish sheet of wall details like screens/shelves, appliances and so on.
So here's that cheap paper/board box thing I got from hobby lobby. On sale it was 2 bucks. I think I'll cover the outside and inside alike with that plaster cloth stuff and smooth over it with the other thing, hydrocal or whatever, basically plaster I'm pretty sure. The sketch on the inside is possible furniture ideas, this would be a barracks or living quarters building. There would be a ladder to the roof for aesthetics, not really necessary for deadzone rules.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Huh... here's another 'important' question... If I go about making crazy BOTTOMs, then should I magnetize their arms? I did get those bearings so I could technically give them a fair range of articulation.
The only thing is that if I were to do that... I dunno I've just never had luck with getting the poses on magnetized models 'just so', and that's kind of the whole point for these guys.
Thanks, lets hope it still looks good once I get some texture on it and sort out the interior details. There will only be room for a couple three such buildings on the entire 2x2' board by my reckoning. Maybe a larger one, or a series of smaller buildings. I do want some to create alleyways for cool spots to have assassinations and shoot-outs.
Oh also had another thought:
Blatantly
Over
The
Top Opulent
Marines
I think a really tricked out Marneus Calgar with three units of Honor guard may be the way to go. Maybe another hero with a command squad so I can take all three kinds of standards (opulence starting to show ). Drop pods or rhinos/razors as necessary. Still gonna look up my dark angels codex just in case. I'd rather not buy the new space wolves or wait for blood angels just for a silly idea so we'll see what I can do with those books.
Well I only have one whereas I have 3 pods and upwards of 8 rhinos... I think half the point of these guys is to heroically march across the board even if they get shot to death, if they're cowering inside of a transport you can't see them being awesome
I'd have to find something to use for jump packs, and get good at cutting legs into running legs... but I really have an itch to make a unit of at least five vanguard veterans with 2-handed thunderhammers like the MC from the space marine video game. My mantic dwarfs pretty much gave me all of the 2handed thunderhammers I could need. Although for full scale opulence I *could* have them hold them in one hand and take thunderhammers too That's what 45 points of gear per veteran and the squads like 114 or some such... 339 or so off the top of my head? Lolol that's kind of the degree of things I'm after
I think Archer is right, BOTTOMs need Land Raiders. Though I guess plummeting from space and coming out of the drop pods in epic poses would also be good...
Minimal magnetizing maybe? Just for weapons switches and the ball bearings so their heads can turn.
Huh well they aren't free but they're half the cost of eBay (though I haven't researched shipping yet!) Maximini has 4 styles of jump pack presumably for space marines. Which is coolest if we're going for mad BOTTOM action?
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ER The only thing is that even in the neck joint its possible to mess up your poses with magnets. I may fool around with the ball joints a little bit though, as those might just do the trick for that.
Haha there you go, too bad they probably cost a fortune
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was talking about the 2h dwarf hammers, they look quite a bit like the ones Titus could swing around in the 40k:SM game. Probably a little on the smaller side though. Proper true scale marine weapon probably, but for the bottoms I need to kick it up a notch which means they'll have those and maybe some chaos warrior shields stripped down to flat surfaces and enhanced with lots of iconography.
I'm also wondering. Would it be cool if this chapter was a sexy hazard orange? Somewhere between red and yellow.
Something kind of like this.
And black would probably be the off-color. Think salamanders scheme but with such a color of orange instead of green.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Maybe I could call them the super ultra mega marines, a super successor chapter of the classic UM.
Also... should Fistius Fistgar have the super fancy terminator armor or should I keep him to the artificer armor so he can mount up with his lads in a pod or tank?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also again... when my codex says power weapon does that still mean power axe/sword/mace/spear like in 6th ed? I always liked the idea of taking two power weapons so as to have the option
If that's still the case... spears on the VV of doom could be pretty cool, and less expensive than hammers.
Go Spartan style for the Vanguards with long spears and shields.
That color is eye catching and definitely reinforces the "We are here, deal with it" attitude of BOTTOMs.
I would go Artificer armor unless you plan on a few Terminators to keep him company. You need to model a couple of them giving an epic powerfist fist bump.
GrimDork wrote: Huh well they aren't free but they're half the cost of eBay (though I haven't researched shipping yet!) Maximini has 4 styles of jump pack presumably for space marines. Which is coolest if we're going for mad BOTTOM action?
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ER The only thing is that even in the neck joint its possible to mess up your poses with magnets. I may fool around with the ball joints a little bit though, as those might just do the trick for that.
Sorry I have missed the last couple days worth of posts, they have been brilliant
I think your in to a winner with the BOTTOM marines, but might I suggest the second O stand for Obnoxious? I mean if your going to be in someone's face with your BOTTOM , might as well be obnoxious about it. You may want to do a search for "Movie Marines". I've seen people fall scale their models and kit them out like your saying, and go with a movie theme. You could do something like the "expendables" characters. Make one have a powerfists with a giant skull ring on the fingers. You could also use the celebrity heads that Madrobot minis makes. I think they used the rules for deathwatch marines for the "movie marines" I saw.
Lastly, there was a kickstarter for flying assault butts by someone here on Dakkadakka. Yes, models of butts that were flying , might fit those in somehow.
Yeah I saw the flying assault butts while it was running but I think I was wiped out from deadzone or something like that
I probably won't go full angry marines or movie marines scale with this project, although I do enjoy the use of obnoxious for the second O, consider that borrowed.
I'm thinking at least one of the marines is gonna steal a cue from Kharn and implement a butch muscly arm from a marauder or something. Maybe even two, power armored tank top ftw.
But the obnoxious part of my force will be a fine line that I'll try to tread. I want them to look super serious, but over the top with ridiculous loadouts. But take themselves seriously. Angry marines don't do this as they have whirlwind tanks with rows of space marines stuffed in the for ammunition or sadfaces on them or what have you. My guys will be aiming for similar poses and way too much gear, but will take themselves super seriously
Hmm... I'm sure there are hard counters (like massed small arms fire ) but I'm really liking the sound of taking one large unit of Honor Guard most of them with relic blades (probably a couple of axes in case they get engaged by similarly armored units) with the chapter banner (glorious +1 attack) and a pod. I guess no more than 9 so Fistius Fistgar can join them. Pop down unload with bolters, start looking for someone to charge. Maybe even pop the tactical doctrine to help those bolters out with a little more pop... Especially since Fistgar lets you use one doctrine twice... Only 360 points
May have to source some big-ass swords though, I'm not sure if I have 5 (figure a mix of 5 relic blades, 3 power axes, and the champion with a thunder hammer should be solid ). Or well I've got some of those grey knight swords.... maybe if I craft some longer handles for them...
Ok so here's a preliminary list... You guys can help me troubleshoot it and keep me on the path to the BOTTOM
2000ish ultramarines
Calgar in artificer
9 honor guard, 5 relic blades, t-ham, chapter banner, pod
5 honor guard, 4 relic blades, t-ham, artifact banner thing, pod
5 vanguard veterans, power spear, storm shield, jump packs, probably melta bombs on some/all of them
10 bolter scouts, hellfire HB, SB sgt, HBLSS 5 scouts with missile, 3 sniper, cloaks, tellion upgrade
2 land speeder typhoons in squadron w/ missiles and bolter
1 land speeder typhoon, HB, TML
Stormtalon gunship with skyhammer and assault cannon
Devastator squad with 4x heavy bolters (these are a requirement for badass factor, probably the coolest looking devastator and 4 of them marching up the field (sometimes relentless with the chapter tactic...) sounds awesome.
So. I don't suspect I should win much. I didn't even manage to fit the land raider (or any tanks) into the list. This does have the PRO of leaving all of my tanks open for the tank graveyard board.
It's what, 20 BOTTOMs with 15 scouts and 5 devastators (they can be tall-scaled too, they technically fit the aesthetic because heavy bolters are awesome IMO). I figure there isn't much point to taking anything in the back field like tanks so I'll load up on land speeders and take my chibitalon 'cause he's so gosh darned cute. Well the devastators will probably deploy on the table somewhere and let their pod fall empty, but mostly no static elements that aren't also either fast or capable of deep strike.
For you guys that have played lately, how laughable is this? I don't expect it to win but killing things in combat with giant swords and hammers, doing *anything* with HBdevs, and in general only having to paint a small number of marines and getting to tall scale them is my main goal.
Thoughts?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hey there's another good question... how should I do the tall scaling? I have enough terminators to cover all of the marines if I go terminator legs route. The veteran sergeant/ waist+leg spacers route seems to lend to more dynamic poses though.
What think you noble comrades?
One option would be VS dynamic legs on guard and vets... and terminator legs to bulk out the devs.
The smaller unit of HG may get DA upgrade kit walking robed legs (which are pretty tall) and come complete with those winged da helmets.
Fistius Fistgar is probably gonna be based on however I do the HG but I want him head and shoulders taller, and a little bulkier.
I may also source different backpacks. Something smaller might be cool... may not worry about it.
May also try to work in my already tall scaled techmarine, maybe do a two plasma servitors fire team.
What would be really cool is if you converted one of the new Centurions into a Techmarine and field him as a Terminator Techmarine lol. How's that for a slice of fried gold?
I say do the waist/leg spacing for your tall spacing needs. imo it looks better and more dynamic poses is what's needed to really show off your BOTTOMs
I think definately go the Veteran Sarg method, much more dramatic, easy enough, and looks better. Keep the Termy legs for a million termies you have in reserve.
I guess I could just Tall Scale the terminators someday, now that'd be imposing
Hmm... You know so far I still haven't done any marines dual wielding power weapons. I mean in the list. Somewhat perturbing... I guess large two handed power weapons are kinda close though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well the point of this is to use stuff up but I certainly see some bits on eBay that may help me finish my task eventually.
I think the termie legs would do fine for tall scaling the marines.
As far as a competitive list goes... well.. I don't think it is at all. But if you are doing it for modeling and fun, who cares? If you do get to play with it, just don't play someone with a WAAC list and you would probably still have a ton of fun with it. Plus, space marines are awesome!
Not to mention ,by the time you are done, there may very well be a new edition out which will change everything anyways!
So starting work on the first honor guard... I like the fact that they all come with bolters so I thought I'd emphasize the fact with at least one of them in a dynamic shooting pose. The big black templar sword he's drawing is his relic blade. He will be either running or kneeling, which do you think? Head subject to change, I think I want the honor guard to have helmets though i'm still undecided on fistgar.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another thing that needs to be said... I may be utilizing the same/similar method to VS for making the minis taller, but I'm going to be going to be embracing the scifantasy aspects of 40k and space marines whereas he makes much more sensible and true-to-life poses. I can totally respect that, but I'm certainly not doing it
Automatically Appended Next Post: Aaaand I can't find my hobby saw. I think the first act of my winter layoff will be to organize my office... or die trying!
Lol weird. I'll change the title later as I wouldn't want anyone to get too excited in the wrong direction. To be honest though I don't put much stock in urban dictionary. Most of the crap people come up with these days is stupid from my frame of reference and I talk to so few people it doesn't come up. Good spot though, I guess the internet at large may assume my blog odd for the acronym.
Yeah the techmarine guy I did months back and he's more or less done aside from a claw for his mechandrite things. The other dude was just hastily bluetacked, the arm will most likely need cut. Got his legs all cut up now but it's kinda hard to get them to go just how I want, may have to mix up some greenstuff as I work.
If your legs go anything like mine did then you won't be finished messing with them untill their undercoated (any imperfections in your spacers come out better with a coat to paint) shaved and painted again.
Going for true/tall scaling this way can be a pain and takes a load of time but it's well worth it when you see the results.
GrimDork wrote: Lol weird. I'll change the title later as I wouldn't want anyone to get too excited in the wrong direction. To be honest though I don't put much stock in urban dictionary. Most of the crap people come up with these days is stupid from my frame of reference and I talk to so few people it doesn't come up. Good spot though, I guess the internet at large may assume my blog odd for the acronym.
...I just assumed that meaning was part of the joke. I'm glad I never made that reach-around joke I was think of...
Meh I'm just making some blatantly over the top marines. They totally aren't into sex or bdsm or what have you. Just tall scaled and obnoxiously posed for maximum levels of epic. To the point of being part parody, but taking themselves seriously which I thought would make them even more obnoxious.
So far the only obnoxious part is getting this guy to look blatantly over the top.
So I think I may have figured out a good source for 1x1' pieces to use for my two intended board projects.
To show what I'm thinking here's a quick mockup of what my tank graveyard could somewhat resemble:
I was wandering through Lowes and I couldn't find anything like what I wanted in wood. I passed through the flooring/tile area and dismissed it since the linoleum/whatever tiles were too floppy, and the other would would probably break. Then I saw these and rethought. They seem like they'll be reasonably sturdy as they're pretty thick. I haven't measured but it's more than 1/4 inch, maybe upwards of a half. One did come chipped in the 10-pack I got but I figured I only *really* need 8 and it's probably possible to repair it. So for 10 bucks I got all of the basing material I'll need for both battlefields. They're gonna be heavy, the box of all 10 tiles was more than I wanted to lug around anymore than was necessary. That's kind of cool though, should be harder to slide them around on accident.
Here's why I wanted to do 2x2 1' tiles, inspired by the secret weapon boards I think: As everything is gonna be glued down (may leave some scatter loose but only as an exception) the board would get pretty dull eventually, but by having 4 pieces, I'll be able to swap things around and create a lot more variability. The first setup is pretty random, the second lumps the majority of the vehicles with open interiors together. This will be even more useful for the desert base board as I'll be able to plan it out to have one 'default' set up with a certain disposition of alleys/open spaces, and then flip things around to shake it up and represent different portions of the outpost.
I think for the tank board I'll coat the tiles with that mix of plaster cloth and plaster stuff with which I've been experimenting. Probably pretty flat, though the area that has the 3 piled tanks will mostly be built up out of plastercloth and filler, and covered in bits of tanks, rather than precariously piled otherwise intact vehicles. I may do a compressed block of tanks too, like they do with cars some places but we'll see. The desert board may have a little more variation of height and maybe even some slopes. I think the desert board will also have a few 2-3 high buildings as well.
In other news, still working on my tall-scaled marine. I think I'm gonna give up on the crazy running pose, I just can't get it to look how I want and wasting that much time on the first guy will destroy my confidence and enthusiasm in one fell swoop. I'm gonna switch him to an ominous slow walk aiming the bolter with one arm while casually drawing the sword. We'll be going for a cool head and menacing affectation instead of explosive energy.
I think I may have seen that one before. They're cheaper for sure, but I already have the Rhinos and I'm not sure I'll be doing anything else with them
Automatically Appended Next Post: Not sure if it was the same thing or not but yeah you take the car and wrap it with foil to get a good match, then you squish it up a bit, then you brace it and fill the inside with plaster or whatever you wanna use. Boom crunched car
But this is a TANK graveyard It's got rusted out tank interiors that you can battle around!
I wouldn't necessarily go out and buy rhinos specifically to do this, but I've got them and I'm probably gonna look into the eventual warpath kickstarter for scifi tanks too.
You could use the foil and just do partial sections of the tanks to make it look like parts of the tank are destroyed or submereged.
I know you have them already, but Rhinos are just so expensive it hurts me to see them used as terrain. I was thinking of doing an Adepta Sororitas army and the cost of 9 Immolators and 3 exorcists I want for the list was staggering.
Yeah it's nuts. My rhinos all actually cost only about 16-17 dollars each from Neil at the warstore. I dunno if he still does but he used to sell them for cheap without the accessory sprue. Of course that means none of them have front hatches or guns or gunners, but those things are pretty readily replaced or replicated. Come to think of it, I believe a couple of them were actually parts I got in a large bits lot, that just happened to have enough parts to make 1.5 rhinos.
I may not use all of them in this way. I just really like the interior shape, the way the ramps and cargo portion make something like a neat paintball field or something out of a FPS game. The foil replication for corners and such is a good idea though, would be pretty smart to do that for the large junk pile I'm plotting for sure.
And for those tanks that I do use, I may consider making them removable, close all the hatches and just have junky rusty rhinos for some kind of traitor legion or what have you.
I just think I'll get more use out of them as a battlefield than I will ever get to use them in games of 40k as originally intended.
Ok guys here's my VS-method tall scaled techmarine and then another marine done with terminator legs. Which do you guys think looks cooler? I am not sure at this point. I damn well know which one is faster to do... Also not all of my terminator legs may be viable for this or at least not unmodified, the DA sprue termie legs are in an upright walking pose like some of the robed bodies, as opposed to the squatter marine stance that is so common (and that some of the other terminators have). I would be ok with buying more terminator legs or just as ok with hacking up those I already possess... if they look cooler. I'm thinking I can inject the models with a fair margin of badassery even without crazy running poses, and I'm also starting to think that such poses are going to be on the very edge of my skill set, possibly outside of it.
Terminator legs may also help to define the models as not power armor, which is fistgar, and any honorguard or so on. Devs I always thought may look cooler being stockier. Really as long as I don't bring any terminators along I think anyone *could* look ok with termalegs. Although vanguard vets would probably get running assault marine legs or potentially hacked up normal legs, it would help ID them as flighty jump packers anyway.
Not trying to see you guys, I want your opinion as I'm not sure myself. I think this makes the torso look a little long maybe, but there's just something about the terminator legs that I like, and the arms seem like the right length too, it's just the join at the middle that's potentially suspect. Also of note is that there's probably 3-5mm of space in the waist that could be cut out too, he's just sitting on top of some bluetak ontop of the termalegs.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, I think it's kind of amusing too, if I went with the termalegs they would have bigger bottoms
The terminator pants give it more a servo assisted powered armor look, which is kind of cool. My only concern is the waste line. On normal power armor the torso hangs over the belt.
In the pic, the blue tac obscures hows that join is going to look, and also gives him a bit of a marine in a girdle look. It's not a bad look, it just changes the silhouette, and I am sure it will look better without the gap from the blue tac.
The real question though is, do the terminator legs provide enough of a height boost ?
If you look they're the same height roughly and the term legs guy has a base that's at least 2-3 mm shorter than the built up techmarine base. I need to go ahead and chop the torso and put it closer to the final result for a fair analysis. And on the same base sizes.
As I said in the other thread, it's still lovely, and your little edits and work make it look better than even before. Of course I am still biased to the one on the left.
Yeah. I was starting to get anxious just after working on this first guy... termilegs would be much quicker. And possibly more imposing.
I'd end up with over a score of mutilated terminator top halves...but might be worth it. AS much easier as it is I could eventually see doing even tactical Marines like this. Even if it meant buying loose termilegs and marine torsos.
Well anyway.. I may try a couple more tomorrow so we can see how it looks in less of a vacuum. Some of the termilegs I have are in the squatter marine pose but I think I could get them to work out.
Yeah termie legs don't look that bad and looks much easier. I think they'd work pretty well for something like devastators like you said. Maybe do those first and you can see if you want to carry it on for the rest of your stuff.
I like carlos13th's idea of doing some of both. If the other way isn't too frustrating that is...
I am also really digging your tank graveyard! I like the use of floor tiles as the base. I'm sure it will look good with the plaster cloth covering it up. I'm bummed to hear that they're heavy though. As someone who is always moving stuff around, I hate heavy.
We will see. It may or may not be visually jarring to have both kinds. I'm torn between getting running legs for the assault team or giving them both termilegs AND jump packs. I mean they're jump infantry, not flight teams. All they do is make hops. Look to things like Armored Core, I think its' a bout the same. Really light mechs could almost fly but still had to land, heavy mechs could do super jumps but not stay lofty. I'm growing fonder of the idea of having big stompy legged vanguard veterans to match everyone else. They'll need cut termilegs to have more dynamic poses though.
Game day at the library was quite fun. I got to lead both the rebel scum and imperial swine to victory during a couple runs through the same bomber escort mission. Neat little game, I'm afraid I may end up spending money on it eventually.
I also proctored 3 games of mars attacks for a couple of guys there. My grasp of the rules should be a fair bit better after seeing a few more games. With all of the zany antics, it's almost as much fun as it is to play anyway
@Bob, Damn your EYES! Discontinue!!! I may have to get some dust vehicles jeebus. Maybe I put them on xmas list, and they spare some rhinos from the chopping block!
@Eyeam, I haven't convinced anyone to play 40k or anything yet, but the guy that runs the event (and the library) used to play 40k and maybe fantasy. There was also talk of mordheim so I may have found someone local to play the occasional game with, and I don't really care which one!
Yeah just flat nails, I think the nickname is ten penny nails. Get a bunch of them in a box from a hardware store for maybe 3 bucks. I just clean the foot and scratch up the nails surface, put a tiny dot of blue tack down to help with initial placement and provide a weak hold to help keep it from slipping while the glue sets up. Just plain old superglue. One of the tricks is actually getting them off, usually have use the hobby knife to pry them off, restic has a tendency to snap if you pressure it too hard, space marine legs you just get a thumb under their foot and you're usually GTG.
I use the nail method primarily for ease of painting, however it also makes an excellent dual purpose for dipping models with the drill method to clear the excess dip.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Gah Bob... those Dust minis are so cheap =/ Almost a third the cost even at Miniature Market... Would really add some variety to the board too. Maybe I'll put the sale forth to the more savvy people getting me gifts this year..
I'll post some thoughts later, little one is dragging me away... All still quite WIP.
Your thoughts?>
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'll consider them overnight and see what I'm thinking in the morning. Everyone is due more gubbins and nicknacks, I'll probably end up normalizing shoulder pads and helmets and so on, I just wanted to get some poses to see what people though. Looking like honor guard? If not what could I do?
The 2h axe guy would get the blade replaced with a hammer head, but... should the company champion hold the thunderhammer like that, or should I try to get a somewhat more dynamic pose, possibly with the hammer in one hand and the other pointing or doing something suitably ballsy?
The standard bearer needs a relic blade, either sheathed in his current form, or would he look better with a different configuration of arms? The one arm to the side holding the banner while the other arm heroically points a sword or something?
The legs on middle one is the only one that I think doesn't match as nicely as the others. All the rest look great though! They'll look fine as honour guard once you bling them up a bit.
And I like the poses of the hammer/axe and the banner guy as they are. A sheathed sword on banner guy would be good.
Hmm the one drawing his sword kind of looks like he's trying to scratch his ass and the power armor isn't helping... Maybe with the bits I have and my skill level I should scrap the sword drawing aspect of the pose, at least for now...
The guy in the middle does look a little awkward. The rest of them look pretty cool though. The guy on the far right in the first picture is my favorite.
Middle due is undergoing revision, I agree with both of you. Far right, the really low stance with the power axe and aiming bolter? I like him too. Gonna fix the dude in question and see about finalizing any clean up and start gluing the main builds.
Ok below follows my potential fix for the most awkward honor guard (sounds like a children's book?). It's almost the same pose but how does he look better, looking down the field aiming his bolter, or staring coldly across his sword with bolter at rest? The first pose has him actively doing something, shooting the bolter. The second is a bit more passive but it's kind of in a 'venture forward in my direction brethren'/come at me bro, pose, which I kind of like too.
Thoughts?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was considering a pose with the sword raised but I think paludrons just simply don't go upside down. Ever. For any reason. It's limiting my poses a little bit but it's the nature of the beast.
Huh had a thought, I'll see about putting one up later. For the other 5-man honorguard squad, may take some of my dark angel swords and either make them into kind of polearms to represent the relic blades, or maybe even go extra OTT with dual-bladed starwars/D&D swords
Have I mentioned that I might start collecting X-Wing? It seems fun though I'm a bit nervous about how easy it would be to buy the ships 10 bucks at a time... And all they really do is play games and take up space, no modeling time.
I like the sword pointing down. I really wanted to not like it but it is quietly menacing. I like it a lot.
I have some friends that play X-wing.They really like it. It didn't call to me. I did end up picking up the starter set of the D&D attack-wing because, well, dragons. I haven't tried it out yet.
Maybe? But it's not very likely that I'll get to play much if any. And they'll probably be drop podding and dying in drove (there aren't enough of them to die in *droves*) so it probably won't even come up
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think just turning him sideways a little will mediate most problems too unless it's a large horde of similarly pointy units
So I had to do away with some 'active duty' troops, but I harvested quite a few fancy bits to further fuel the project.
And then we have the 'finalized' poses for the first two honor guard. Obviously they need heads, pauldrons, and backpacks... I think I may leave the packs off this time, they're kind of a pain in the ass to paint while attached. I'll sort out shoulder pads once I have things better figured out. I don't necessarily want them to match as a unit, I'm more interested in each HG having thematic pauldrons and nicknacks. I think these guys may be a conglomerate chapter/force, kind of like a deathwatch thing, so you may have former dark angels and wolves working together. Or maybe they're just a lot looser with their Iconography, not sure yet. Axe guy is getting a pair of those studded reactive shoulder pads or wherever they are. Sword guy needs something more ostentatious... maybe the kind with the extra ridge that goes up, or maybe with a cloth hanging down.
I also think I may go ahead and change the banner bearer... He needs a bigger banner pole and I'm not sure he'll be suitably dynamic to match the rest of the squad.
He needs a massive crest on the non-sword wielding arm shoulder pad sort of like those Gladiators in Rome that had one fully armored arm and one bear arm....
GrimDork wrote: Hmm the one drawing his sword kind of looks like he's trying to scratch his ass and the power armor isn't helping... Maybe with the bits I have and my skill level I should scrap the sword drawing aspect of the pose, at least for now...
I think a marine scratching his ass while scratching heretics' asses (er, off a kill list) would be just obnoxious.
The poses look solid. I must admit I still pendulum back and forth about whether or not I like tall-scaled Marines, but these are plenty cool enough.
In future, have you considered removing the hip plates from termie legs? I think that's the one bit that's still making me think 'short termie' rather than big marine. Mk VIII armour does have similar plates, so a few won't go amiss, but if you could remove them (don't know how hard it is) I think that might do a lot to their general impression and make them look more like PA marines.
Ehh... I kind of like how cute the chibitalon is though That's an interesting conversion, however.
I dunno para, I would have to do a bit of greenstuff repair and I'm not sure how confident I am about making it look good. Something to put under consideration for sure though.
I think I've got the base poses for 3 of them done, gonna find a hammer head before I try to finish the company champion, and I'm gonna redo the banner dude entirely.
Huh, I don't have five packs but I do have one with which to check things out...
For the vanguard veterans, what do you think, would this work? I thought the legs may look too heavy but just for short hops? I think they're fine. Maybe even makes sense as they've got more leg servos to withstand the shock of landing.
It's adorably chubby. It may need some SRS Bidness treatment if it's gonna get along with these new guys though. I've got extra drop pod parts so we'll see.
When I was making DA lists that's what I was looking into, a bunch of TLLC razorbacks or various other tank formations, especially with powerfield generators. Of course then they made those not extend past a hull, but you can still do it with a biker tech.
Something else you can think of, I hope you don't mind.
I never finished this as I didn't have plasticard for a new hull at the time. But, anyways, some ideas if you go the ST conversion route. Also, those are some intimidating honor guard.
GAWD I H8T YOU GUISE AND YOUR STORMTALAN CONVERSIONS! CEZE AND DEECYST!
Nah, keep them coming
My all time favorite thing to do with a stormtalon is the madcat/wolf/whatever you call it mechwarrior conversion.
Both of those have merit, lengthening it makes it look more like a proper plane thing.
It would fit on smaller DZ landing pads if I leave it short... but I'm probably only going to have the one so I may see what I can do to make it special too.
Intimidating is the look I'm going for so good deal. I think squad two is going to have some more of that probably-cool-but-maybe-too-ridiculous-to-be-legit action going on. I'm thinking of dual bladed swords for the four that will have swords I would try to make some kind of sword hammer... for the thunderhammer but I dunno... Maybe I'll just complete the highschool days duo and go with a cloud sword to match the darthmaul/dnd3.0 swords
Automatically Appended Next Post: Yeah, it doesn't get much cooler than this for storm talon conversions
Too bad its kind of expensive in legs and bits.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually since I already own the storm talon it's probably less than $40 to do that. And I'm exaggerating I think. A leg kit from whatever those are from, I think the feet are separate, and maybe where they attach to the stormtalon. I may trawl ebay later and see about that.. could be fun
Oh noes crashed! I love detailed vehicles used as part of scenery though!
I may give him a big extra thick sword, like an anime-inspired version of the zwiehandler or any of those other large swords meant to fell both horse and rider and hack up pike formations. Actually their swords are already that big so I'm just planning to make a thick one. We'll see, I may just hammer time it.
GrimDork wrote: Oh noes crashed! I love detailed vehicles used as part of scenery though!
I may give him a big extra thick sword, like an anime-inspired version of the zwiehandler or any of those other large swords meant to fell both horse and rider and hack up pike formations. Actually their swords are already that big so I'm just planning to make a thick one. We'll see, I may just hammer time it.
Oh god, do I post some of the crazy swords I just got from Kromlech? Oh and zwiehanders... I love seeing amazing PM blogs that are up there with Gits and many other legends, they give me so many ideas.
There's what my multi bases turned out like. Well one of them. The other is waiting for models. The third got dropped in the toilet and even if I wanted to save it the cardboard base would have gotten soggy and allowed the plaster to crack.
Feel really bad coming in on the end of some conversation here, but why where your multibases in the toilet?
Skaven looking great, that base works brilliant. I have not played fantasy for years so I am completely out of touch, always loved Skaven, always fancied doing a 40k Skaven army, but I am sure that has been done by now.
Going to have to go back a few pages here, I am sure I used to come here for the amazing scenery, but now there are SM and rats and everything, need to catch up, apologuise for my abscense.
Bah you are far too busy making excellent scratch builds
Commanders gotta stay back and do the directing, leave us grunts to our trenches
I've done some random bits lately for sure I think I'm gonna have a bit of a shut-down in progress as I try to bust out some shirts for relatives in the month running up to xmas.... I'm gonna try to get my Dio finished too, not a lot of work left really, just need to get to it when I have the right mood and time.
As to the multibase in the toilet... There's a bathroom on the same side of the house as my office/hobby room, and as it has a sink (water being useful for plaster/cloth and other hobby purposes) and is warmer than the garage, I've been doing a little hobby work in there. I had the multibases drying on a rack above the toilet, and I should have known better as I've dumped at least half a dozen partial rolls of TP into the bowl from the rack. So yeah, bumped one, fell down, trashed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mantic have been doing space skaven for years btw
There will be more scenery eventually, I've got a lot a lot of DZ stuff left to work on as well as various bits and bobs.
I like multibases, I think I'll lose out on a little bit of density per base, but I'll have more models to put across more bases so the horde may actually look bigger in the end. Plus I'm making sure to fill the bases with plenty of gubbins and scenery.
.............(whack) Jobs a good 'un. Wait there's more! Aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiieeeeeeee............- Last words of many empire citizens over the years.
Always have a fondness for the old skaven sculpts. Brother in law wants to start Mordheim, I'm leaning towards a Clan Eshin skaven warband. I really want one of the forgeworld Vermin Lords to have as a centerpiece and build an army around it.
Nice work on those slaves, but they need more bearings as I'm sure they are still groveling for food. "We fed you last week how are you still hungry!" They're like kids.
This came out really well. It looks awesome from in front.
If you are going to make more, I'd suggest that open space on the base be pushed more to the sides than the center. It would better fit the imagery of a mob.
Photoedited the image to show what I was suggesting
Yeah I think I see what you mean. And not hanging over is a definite bonus, I hate that. I forgot I hate that since its been so long since I've played. I will have to do my spear units so that they're all back from tjr base edge slightly dug in behind terrain.
Back when I started playing Warhammer Fantasy years ago I got carried away making the models look cool, and then they wouldn't fit into ranks properly, or have their weapons sticking far enough out it made it impossible to place them bases to base with the enemy. Since then, I'm always conscious of models overhanging the base.
Skaven! Eewwww! I am not a huge fan of the rat folk.
I really love your base work though. I would love to do some basing where I can get that kind of feeling for my night goblin mobs. Can the rats come off the bases?
He's either out to lunch, on the take, or dead... because here we have some more!
(please note that everything but the base has been done for years, I'm just sprucing up the units a little bit, I'll do touchups for relocation-based damages later on)
Second regiment of slaves, with a proper clanrat overseeing (surprisingly bold of him, being so close to the front!)
I think I've tucked them in a bit and left the negative space more to the outsides, improvement?
The rear looks a little sparse but I figure that's why it's so much easier to break a formation with a rear charge yeah?
And here we have the two units joined into a full out horde, nice and painless, and really more like I'd expect the slaves to be deployed.
In other news, I happened to mention my busted airbrush model was back on sale/in stock on amazon and my mom ordered one for me. Even let me have it early so now I can more easily bust out my gift-shirts. Woot
Hey, for minis that have sat around a bit, they still look tabletop ready for battle, so a good early effort, touching them up will make them even better as we all gain more paint skills as time goes by!
I'm replacing my older gun. I overtightened a piece and it stripped. The new part was 30 bucks at least, on sale a new gun can sometimes be found for 60-100 dollars. I may still try to fix the old gun but as it stands now I *should* have an entire airbrush's worth of spare parts except for that one I broke.
Alright officially laid off now, inbetween tedious 'looking for work' and transforming myself into a proper (if temporary) house hubby (I'm bad at cleaning... so bad...) I'm hoping to bust out some more hobbying than usual!
GrimDork wrote: I'm replacing my older gun. I overtightened a piece and it stripped. The new part was 30 bucks at least, on sale a new gun can sometimes be found for 60-100 dollars. I may still try to fix the old gun but as it stands now I *should* have an entire airbrush's worth of spare parts except for that one I broke.
Alright officially laid off now, inbetween tedious 'looking for work' and transforming myself into a proper (if temporary) house hubby (I'm bad at cleaning... so bad...) I'm hoping to bust out some more hobbying than usual!
Sorry to hear that Grim. Jerks. Hope you find a new job soon buddy.
Woah thank guys but I'm always laid off this time of year, landscaping is seasonal and there's just nothing to do.
It's a PITA as unemployment doesn't pay as much as my in-season job, and if I get "lucky" and find a job willing to hire me for a couple of months those usually pay less (unless it's full time hours) than unemployment
But I'm used to it at this point. Just requires a bit of a readjust and some belt tightening (metaphorical, I still eat way too much during the winter, I just tend to cook instead of splurging on restaurants ).
But yeah this is nothing new so don't feel too bad
@Adamsouza I think I have that brush, or a very similar one. There's a kit i found on ebay a few years ago with 3 brushes guns and a mini compressor, that looks like my favorite from the set. An Iwata knock-off, it's not amazing but it's pretty solid... and for that price it's definitely pretty solid Good for undercoats and it can make a decently small line with practice.
I'm trying to decide if I want to do some more skaven next or switch it up with some kingdoms of men, or rebase my skeletrons.
I've also got some airbrush lube on order as apparently it helps a lot for certain things.
I picked up 4 shirts at hobby lobby today, I may get the nieces another shirt each but I may look around for another small gift to go with their shirts instead, depends on funds and timing. I also got some sheets of... I dunno. I think it's basically cardboard, some form of reasonably dense layered paper product. I got 35 12''x12'' sheets for maybe six dollars, I figured I could try making multibases out of them and maybe do some quotes/silhouettes/other poster-like-things as the nieces and nephew are all still at 'hanging stuff on the walls' age.
Happy hobbying through the winter! Do you have any more Kickstarter hauls coming over the season to keep you busy? I seem to recall Bones II was due soon, but I could be mistaken as I haven't followed it that closely.
Well it's the family business so don't worry about big corporations here Just nothing to do atm.
Para, Yeah I've got bones coming. It should be sometime early next year, I snuck into the first wave of shipping but they've gone and said nothing will be going out before 2015. Dreadball xtreme is liable to show up this winter as well, and I've got a few things coming from mantic by way of deadzone wave 3.
So here you can see the new materials I'm trying for my multibases, I'll let you know if they work. I decided to take the plaster cloth only to the edges instead of trying to wrap it around. If it won't adhere then I'll change my mind... but I figured it would become an issue if it were on the otherwise smooth underside of the trays, pending board surface.
You can also see the finalized pose for my chapter/company champion (whichever he is, I forget) with his thunderhammer at rest on his shoulder (can you even see the bare-arm in the photo?) and his favorite blade set at a somewhat offensive angle. To the left you have a great 40k accessory, the beskulled (it should be a word, think bejeweled but for 40k) forward grip. Sure, with that big of a sword he's unlikely to ever use the grip, but even veteran space marines get the urge to be tacticool sometimes
I may work on the trays a bit more tonight, not sure. If I get any more solid hobby time I'm gonna see about mushashi.
There's the image again since page flip. I'll paint them eventually and the bare arm will be more obvious then, it's painted black and at a bad angle to the camera.
I think I may do some more work on my next three regiment trays, these don't seem like they're going to warp nearly as badly as the previous batch, score!
Also, really trying to get myself to work on the diorama.
May see about raiding my old empire troops for a nice standard/banner for the honor guard's standard.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hrmrmrmrm. Which units should I base next? I've got a few completed smurfs (goblins I guess), some empire remnants that could easily serve as KoW kingdoms of men troops, or moar skavens?
So here's some of what got done today. Three more regiment bases ready for models (which I'm working on now), and the scenery for my samurai diorama as airbrushed as it's gonna get. Next time I get a good chance to concentrate and paint, I'm gonna focus on rusting the metals for that piece, and then look around for some magazines and posters of the appropriate scale.
I still have a few banked for future projects, they're a good size. The paper band in the middle to make them easier to glue was definitely a refinement so good work on that.
Thanks. I think the only thing holding me back from making was that I never figured a good way to paint them. I spray painted on a base coat and that was about it.
Could drybrush a lighter metal or other color. I'm thinking these are mostly gonna get heavy rust. Maybe make a couple of simple templates to put a red or yellow square or triangle, and another for a flame symbol or a skull and bones or something. For the top.
Thanks. Gotta get through my Xmas gift backlog and then I can start working on some more minis. Really wanna do some more infinity and maybe cherry pick some favorites from deadzone. Some mars attacks too.
I have a bunch. I had a bunch before I did a trade and picked up several things from Amazon with store credit but lets see here... I've painted all of my shasvastii along with one moderator, my reverend moira, and a Moren Massai hunter. I'll make a rough list in order of acquisition if possible:
Bakunin starter, (mod and moira down): *Zero with E/mauler *Sin eater with Mk 12 *Moderator dude who's studio paintjob makes him look a bit sharky *Moderator chick Lunokhod sputnik Sin eater with multi sniper rifle Bran do castro (I'm forgetting one)..Oh yeah, reverend custodier Ghulam Infantry (3) Moderator with multi sniper Kaplan tactical services box (4) Tsyklon Sputnik box (2) Riot Grrl with spitfire Moderator with spitfire Operation Icestorm *Aulgalciles (3) *Mobile Brigada *Spektr *Grenzr *Reverend Healer *Corporate Security Unit *Fusileers (3) *Orc *Akalis *Nisse *Father Knight
So y'know, less than some people but more than enough to do Give or take 35 models I guess =/ Wow, yeah I'm glad I'm gonna suggest people get me X-wing over Infinity models this year... I mean I'll still need a couple of dudes to "finish" the shasvastii, and there are a few things that I'll not not get for Nomads... they're just too cool. The mouse has been given a cookie and a cup of milk already in terms of the Pan-O, I'm thinking a T.A.G. and a couple of light units to fill out that force (someday), and though the Corregidor and Qapu Khalqi could both be done now... I'll probably end up getting a couple of small things for both. Or maybe an Iguana since he fits both factions
So here we have a small battle's worth of fantasy minis rebased for Kings of War:
Two (or three) blocks of skaven with some nasty characters and small scale artillery to back them up arrayed against a couple of blocks of human mercenaries with supporting characters who have hired a necromancer and his skeletal regiment.
I'd have liked to do more spears pointed forward but I didn't want to break anything. Their wide stance allows skaven to fill up the regiment base a bit better than their human counterparts.
I won't be reusing the basing method I used for these guys, but it was about the right size and some flock really brings them into line with the other units, so Jobs done
There used to be thirty of these old empire free company fighters, some were lost, some were gifted, and a few became dedicated missile troops, but these remained and are now reformed into a block of some sort. Whatever you call that in KoW, some kind of mercenaries or militia maybe. The shrub right in the middle of the base is kind of meh, the skaven have fared better with placement of terrain elements.
Ahh my trusty swordsmen, these formed the backbone of my old empire army, I had two units. I think I'll be able to cobble those together into two, maybe three blocks of Shieldwall for Kings of War.
A couple of my old empire characters, readily serving as a mounted wizard and a standard bearer.
I'm out of trays, I'll have to make some more before I can do anymore units like this. I need to get to work on my shirts and Infinity diorama before time runs out, only 20something days to go =/
Thanks I've also got some smurfs that could be based. Probably 2-3 units of regular skaven infantry, maybe another of slaves. Probably 3 10-man stands of storm vermin. There are more skaven but they need some paint work. The human forces have a unit each of gunners, crossbowmen, and archers, a troop of halbrediers, another unit or two of swordsmen, and a few 10-man stands of greatswords. Some painting to do there too. The smurfs are about half painted, and their giants untouched.
Loads of skeletons and zombies left to do, as well as some dwarfs all sitting tucked away in their army boxen.
Not all at once though, production will slow considerably when I have to start painting stuff
@Adamsouza, Thanks. The skaven could look nice packed in on the bases but I'd prefer to have a horde of "units" rather than a few cram-packed bases. I may see about devising some larger unit fillers as well rather than just terrain elements.
It's not *that* much infinity stuff The cool part is I only paid for a small faction of it with actual money out of my own pocket. Or well, I bought icestorm. Most of the rest has been gifts or strategically spent amazon rewards points.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and then there's 9 shasvastii too, but I mean they're all painted at least
I was well on the way to 1000 points of night/goblins if you counted some fanatics and an unfinished Giant. I have maybe as many left to do as I've got done. I *think* they all have hats made but I'm not sure.
Note the candy cane spears and ramshackle wolf-driven chariot. If I ever make another chariot, I'm gonna make it in pieces so I can try my hand at casting them to make my own chariot molds
We'll see though.
Another neat thing to cast would be some kind of deadzone interior panels, like to put inside deadzone structures to create atmosphere. Something thin just 1-2mm if possible, stuff like view screens, recessed keyboards, a bookshelf, stuff like that. I would have to make them maybe 2.8 inches or something I dunno, would be hard to get them to fight just so at 3"... Kind of like how you build a house out of wood or bricks or whatever, but then the interior surface is added within the superstructure (if I'm using the right word), the insert panels would be the colonists/whoever's attempt to make the pre-fab drafty structures into something more livable.
Yeah I'll let you know how that goes, just another thing to *maybe* do in a long line of such things
Thanks guys, just more old stuff to look at while I work up some actual progress. Hoping to get some diorama progress today but I need to throw out some apps so I don't fall behind in my "work search" =\
It shouldn't be too hard to scratch build a Golbin Chariot out of coffee stirrers and match sticks. They are suppossed to look pretty primitive and ramshackle anyways.
Damn you Grim.... now I have to scratch build smurf chariots
Steal away, I wouldn't be surprised if you could find something similar floating around the web anyway.
I think I made mine out of popsicle sized sticks, cut down to size. I still think it would be easier to make the form out of sticks and then make a mold, if it could be done well enough, saving time though creating a bit of uniformity.
Good, build some chariots, then I'll steal your superior designs
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ooh, also don't forget to make some tiny catapults and bolt throwers, and do remember to make a nice descriptive tutorial while at it
Automatically Appended Next Post: If I ever get good enough with green... wait... just had an idea.... This could work.
The red didn't work out as well as the blue. Either poor choice of followup color, or I was too heavy handed, or maybe just the wrong approach for the shape. It'll be easy to go in and fix it should I manage to improve upon it in the future.
I'm gonna put this here too since maximum feedback is required: How's the additional scatter? Just enough, too much? Posters positioned well or poorly? Grass? Nothing is finalized most or all of the posters will need to be weathered. The pieces on the ground are where Mushashi tore down and slashed one wanted poster, but then he got interrupted
I actually prefer the red, but then I tend to like less overt OSL most times.
As for his diorama, the posters are cool, but I'd be tempted to put them at a more haphazard angle, and maybe add some more so you can have them overlapping a bit, make the whole scene a little more like a rundown and dilapidated slum, which is the feeling the rusted fence and stacks of barrels gives me. Any maybe gouge some chunks out of the wall before weathering if, like chipped plaster? Depends on the feel you want to give it.
Oooh yeah tea for the posters that might work. I have to be careful it's glossy photo paper and the ink likes to run when it gets wet... but I still like the sound of that idea
And I have lots of brown ink/wash too if the tea is too much but they aren't.
I think part of the problem with the red is that going over the white had it turning out pink so I had to layer it on a bit heavier. Maybe I'll try a base of light grey next time, and or a different red.
I hear the call for more posters, I may need to dig up another set, perhaps in english this time to add to confusion and mayhem
All of the images will be flattened out and weathered up a bit for final implementation, this is just another test. I think I like the extra clutter though.
What about the grasses, too much? I like them a lot better like this than before for sure.
What about the little hazard signs on the barrels?
Yeah, way better. It now feels like a setting rather than a backdrop if you see what I mean, far more like the event occur in this place rather than the place existing for the event to happen. In other words, it's now a diorama rather than a display, if that makes sense.
Yeah when I saw him with the rest of the posters I had to chuckle a bit But I can't read Chinese so the poster could be saying "save the caskuda" or it could be saying "watch out for enemy paratroops!" I don't think anyone else can read it either with all of the ads plastered over the top
Heh. I'm finding it takes a lot of practice and my progress is even slower than it could be as I don't use Youtube as much as I could/should to watch how-tos.
Found an awesome thing, I post link later with pictures.
Damn, that does look good. Are those all the Ice Storm counters?
as for the diorama, it feels like it's missing something. Would it be possible to add some crumpled up posters or trash to it? A bit of garbage would give it that that extra lived-in look.
Nah maybe a dozen of them got clipped off of my various boxen. A couple of wound counters (but not many things actually get wounded they just go to unconscious right), the immobilized, impersonator 1/2, prone, seed-embryo, one of the TO camo, maybe a couple more. 1" hole punch I also got from Hobby Lobby is quite useful for this. Any other counters I may need will get printed out on glossy photo paper and redone with some more round thingies (used them all).
I do have *one* magazine in the dio but it's off in the corner, I can see about making some more trash, I was thinking about it myself.
GrimDork wrote: Nah maybe a dozen of them got clipped off of my various boxen. A couple of wound counters (but not many things actually get wounded they just go to unconscious right), the immobilized, impersonator 1/2, prone, seed-embryo, one of the TO camo, maybe a couple more. 1" hole punch I also got from Hobby Lobby is quite useful for this. Any other counters I may need will get printed out on glossy photo paper and redone with some more round thingies (used them all).
I do have *one* magazine in the dio but it's off in the corner, I can see about making some more trash, I was thinking about it myself.
Those counters are amazing Grim. I like the way they turned out.
Hobby lobby is pretty cool. If you've ever been to a Michaels they're pretty similar. Basically it's just a big arts and crafts store so there's a section for fabrics, framing, art-both drawing and painting, hobby projects like model train stuff, model building kits like cars and ww1-2/modern and so on, some airbrush stuff, coin collecting section, beads, necklaces, all kinds of small subsections or aisles for all of that stuff, seasonal decorations, non seasonal decorations like cheaper wall art and paintings, display furniture type stuff, and so on.
Their prices are ok if you're doing small projects but as with a lot of things if you can find a bulk source you're better off, but it's a good place to pick up smaller portions of stuff to try, especially if you need to see something first. They run a lot of coupons or sales between 20-50% off but if the sale is up often enough you come to realize that's more or less the regular price doctored up, they do have a swanky 40% off coupon you can get in ads and on the phone app 1/day otherwise unlimited. I've known some people to get airbrushes and or compressors that way and it can be a decent deal in some instances.
I'm happy with the counters too, honestly I'm somewhat inclined to make my own counters for any games what don't have 1-inch rounds. Not for MA or DZ though since they're kind of cramped on 2x2' boards.
And another Ultramega marine (working title), the standard bearer. I was going to give the guy with the standard a big sword and leave the second axe to another HG, but I was having trouble coming up with dramatic poses for the right handed sword that didn't look bad with the standard. So I found a home for the squad's second (and last) power axe. This will leave four more honor guard with big-ass-swords I guess. Actually hmm. I should have five nemesis whatevers. Plus the thunderhammer, and two axes. I may be short a big-ass-sword. If this happens I'll simply employ a different version of massive sword, or maybe I'll even downgrade one of them to a regular power sword or a power maul (though the relic blade straight up trumps a power maul in all but attacks, it *could* look cool...).
The second unit is totally going to have dual-bladed dark angels swords even if it kills me. I'm not sure if I want to give the champion a thunderhammer or if I'll give him a relic blade too to keep the theme. I like the idea of the thunderhammer to kill tanks, but it may be too big of a thematic hit, y'know? We'll see, the standard bearer guy will be hard pressed to use a double-bladed sword and he may be venturing into poweraxe territory too. I guess they could pose like
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With the champion and another dualsword in front and the other two on the flanks kind of in a loose half-circle around the standard.
remember all five of these guys are getting giant bunny-eared lion helms-knock-offs if I can help it The champion may have to steal his helmet wings from the terminator sarge though.
I think the rust effects that you have on the fence and barrels looks great. I can't quite decide what I think about the grass, maybe a little more ragged looking? I love all the posters on the wall. They'll look even better once you weather them a bit.
Those counters look fantastic! I'm going to have to add making some counters to my giant list of things to do now.
The rust is super easy too, just paint your metal and then use the Typhus Corrosion (I like 2-3 layers) and drybrush on Ryza Rust. I don't own many GW paints anymore but their technical line is killer.
Here's what everything looks like now:
There's a little weathering on the posters, I'm not sure if I'll do any rips/tears or more discoloration, I may be calling this done but we'll see.
I'll be seeing about gluing that marine together soon, and then I think I'll look into painting them. I've got another model I'm going to paint in a similar way to how I maybe want to paint the marines so if she comes out well, then I'll know enough to move forward.
I used to use GW starting back when they looked like bolt-shells and ending with the first wave of flip-tops, with a couple newer ones here and there like the technicals.
I tried reaper but we didn't get along, I think they're for layering or some jazz and I'm just not that good of a painter to get along with them. I do like their black ink though.
I used a lot of vallejo but I just picked a color as I needed it so I had a pretty limited pallet. I've got some VMA too which seem fine but I've been using something else.
I saw the Badger Minitaire stuff on amazon for something like half-off one time though they were back-ordered. Once they go them back in stock I ordered a set and I've been using those.
I forget how many colors there are, maybe 84 if you count the 3-4 varnishes, and 12 of those are 'ghost tints' which are apparently more of a glaze than a wash. I think you can do cool things with them but I'm not there yet
The paints are pretty runny overall, as they're meant to go straight into an airbrush, but I use them all the time with my brush. Definitely not the consistency of milk, thicker, but they work fine for me. The whole line is a bit of a satin sheen though. Something to be aware of if you aren't planning on using a matte sealer when you're done. I almost always do unless I specifically want shiny, so it hasn't been a problem.
I used their gun metal quite a bit. But yeah they do tend to be either super runny or like... paste. In my experience.
I'll say that about the Minitaire stuff as well, their metals are thinned for the airbrush which makes them really finicky to work with using a brush. It feels like you're brushing on sparkles held in a suspension, you've gotta do a lot of layers. Several layers with the AB too but thats expected. The metal on the dio scenery was the gun metal equivalent in the minitaire line.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If you see the SOTAR 20/20 for under a hundred bucks it's an excellent gun. I can't directly compare it to an iwata eclipse or a badger renegade though as I don't own either... but I do like the sotar lol.
Been a little off kilter over the last week or so, but you have done so much. Makes me need to pull the proverbial finger out. Absolutely love the diorama bases. The Marines are shaping up as in your face epic and I really like the big bases of Ratmen, a pity Warhammer requires individual model removal which prevents the large bases of awesome, although I do plan on doing a few unit fillers to break up the massive regiments when I get around to them...
Firstly, the smurfs are amazing ! Secondly, those tokens are amazing! Lastly, great diorama! Just had a browse through the gallery. Love the little details like the chopped up wanted poster hehe .
Thanks! I didn't 'take my time like I had originally planned but that's going to tend to happen when I make deadlines like that. I'm still happy with it overall.
Grim, stop working so hard, its hard to keep up!!!
Seriously though, diorama is pretty damn sweet. Also, fwiw, I think you did pretty well with the OSL on the last page. I like the blue better of the two, but I like my OSL a little brighter than some.
The freeze ray had better color choices I think. Though the chest does look a little better in person, subtlety could put it over the top. I'll see if I can do better on the next one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Got one Halo themed shirt done for my nephew. I'm considering it a middling success. Learned a bit more, so it's progress. 3 more shirts to do for sure and then we'll see. They really don't take too long once I get going and I'm picking up new things to try as I go. Hopefully I'll have some time to do some minis painting before xmas.
Meet Helga. She's technically a Dreadball MVP but that was before I weaponized her. Back then you may have called her Anne Marie Helder, now you don't wanna do that unless you feel like eating a plasma discharge. Helga doesn't have a specific system, but I think she typically works as a deadzone merc, maybe some kind of authorized bounty hunter in Infinity land. She's got high tech armor, a fancy plasma carbine, an enforceresque wrist blade, what could either be a stick grenade or an E/mauler from Infinity, and some kind of explosive device or mine on her back. Helga doesn't take gak, she's a professional and you get what you pay for when you cover her exorbitant fee. Not one for small talk or necessary details, Helga is a brutally efficient operator with a reputation for "staying bought" when hired, as far as anyone knows she's never defaulted on a contract for higher pay from a third party.
This is more or less what I was hoping for, a quick paint-up that more or less works. I'm not super pleased with the wrist blade, I may touch it up some time. I may paint my space marines in the same color of orange, not sure.
I may have to wait until I'm back on the payroll for the main job, but I'd like to put in a large hasslefree order for various reasons, weaponizing DBX is definitely one of them.
Glad to hear you guys like her, I have found the sculpt to be quite charming once properly armed I may even weaponize her sister with some different gear I like her so much.
Also Wyn Greth'zki:
Is dying for a gun, assault would be easier but sniper would be more appropriate amirite?
I think Wyn needs a guided missile launcher over the shoulder . The way his shots moved always made me think he had some sort of kinetic control after they left the stick.
Gun is from hasslefree, wrist blade used to be a combat knife off of the dark angels accessory sprue thing.
@Theo lol, between him and Garrus I didn't get to shoot much
Automatically Appended Next Post: As a brief update:
Got 11 mars attacks minis primed yesterday but it was somewhat of an ordeal. I got 3-4 of them done with the airbrush and then my daughter decided to come into the room and start messing with stuff. Attention diverted from airbrush and it was put on the counter instead of in the cradle. Slipped off, landed on the rear of the needle (safety bit/guard was off for maintenance) curling the tip into a hook. This is the older cheaper gun, so I wasn't super furious, just mad. I bought a needle at hobby lobby but it wasn't right. Neither was the second. I determined that one of my spare sotar needles kind of fit, the tip is right but the diameter of the main needle body is just a hair too thick... so I got my drill out and a grinding thingie and milled the entire needle body down by that hair and now it pretty much works again more or less
So yeah, finally got all 11 minis primed but that was it for hobby successes I also got a sheet of foamcore to try out Mr. Souza's little barricade thing he posted recently.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And painting on the human soldiers has commenced, however I'm taking it slow since the fiddly bits like straps and whatnot get on my nerves
I need to make a slightly larger interior section with no walls on at least one side (which is technically the default way you are meant to use battle systems terrain, making outside walls eats up a lot of pieces!) open for better photos.
I got all of the straps and belts done, so now I just need to do the red parts and touch a few things up (like the straps and belts :() and drybrush the black parts. After that it's dippin time and they'll match their finished half-squad.
I now know what I am going to do with my Helga now, consider your idea "borrowed" Grim. It is nice to see a female mini with a bit of a gut and realistic sized bosoms.
As for the Battlesystems/MA pictures very atmospheric. This could lead to some great pictures online if Prodos get round to releasing the AVP stuff.
Borrowing ideas in that manner is a high form of praise so thanks! I'm hoping to repurpose a lot of the dreadball xtreme minis as well.
I think the plague zombie gun bits will come in handy, though I still want to make a hasslefree order some time.
Almost got these suckers done, then a little drying time and the dippening.
If my vanguard copy of x-wing comes in (bought it cause it was cheap and so I'd know how to play by xmas) I may do a brief unbox of that too though I think it's been around for a good while at this point.
the foremost part of an advancing army or naval force.
That's all I meant by that, I figured I would cause some confusion though with so many special/limited editions of things running around I'm expecting some for x-mas but the core set was 23 dollars on amazon a couple of days back and it has been said to me multiple times that 2 or even 3 starters are useful, so I ordered one
a rounded, knotty depression in the center of a person's belly caused by the detachment of the umbilical cord after birth; the umbilicus.
Navel force... that's going to make me chuckle for awhile now.
And yeah, knifing Martians isn't a terrible idea, anything to keep that disintegration rifle at bay, but it's the exact wrong way to go up against zombies, ruh roh!
Got my space marine force prepped for battle today, if that ends up happening. I kept it simple going with 1000/1000 Iron hands Captain +PF,LC,AA 6 scouts, bolters, ccw for sarge 10 marines +flamer,MM,Rhino 10 marines +flamer,ML,PW on sarge, Stronos razor Dread with MM,Flamer,Pod Predator AC+HBS Predator AC+HBS
So what I'm hoping is a durable little force with several tanks and a distractnaught. Fighting orcs apparently. I would have liked an assault cannon on the dread for even more back-field shenanigans but this dude doesn't have a magnetized barrel load-out (yet). Captain and 5 marines (with PW sarge) are gonna tool around in the razor and probably get clobbered to death in melee dramatically for style points. I could see painting this too someday as I've probably got like half of it done already.
Thats a shadow knights contingent I'm hoping to bring to bear against a local individual's orks. Curious as to how it pans out as I don't think he's played in several editions, we'll probably have to use an old ork codex and fudge some things. I'll also have to evaluate if 40k is the right game to play. Still worth a shot.
These guys are the shadow knights.
They're a bit of an esoteric chapter with dark angels tendencies like robes and secrets and being ashamed of their past, but I haven't chained them to a particular chapter book or tactics. I was going to make an army of them to cover various books/chapter tactics but I lost steam eventually. Then I saw tall scaled marines and lost interest entirely for awhile.
Ultramegas only have a few guys put together so they have to wait.
Looks like a solid list, plenty of AV and all the bases covered. The ACHB Preds should chew through greenskins like there's no tomorrow, and you should do well overall.
For what it's worth, I think 40k us the kind of game that works brilliantly so long as you don't take it seriously, and from your posts on here, I'd guess that is how you'll be going into it, so fun should be had!
Yeah I'm totally equipped to have fun with 40k, it's just a matter of opponent's demeanor. So we'll see He may have only wanted to play since its all he has models for, or he may really have missed playing. Either way I look forward to chucking some dice.
Here are those 5 US soldiers ready to be dipped posing around the second shirt I'm working on for my nephew. I think it turned out pretty well for my amateurish level of ability. Now I gotta put a bigger version of that sword on the back in a similar manner.
I think I'll go dip those soldiers first though.
Also the weird stripey bands are not part of the shirt, some kind of camera thing.
Yeah as long as nobody backs out (*ahem ), should be some kind of game. I even managed to stuff all of my marines into one container, not everything has a form-fitted section of it's own, but most everything has some kind of protection.
Ooh a tape! I had forgotten about those with MA and deadzone.
Cool shirt. What paint did you use, the kind for fabrics? How well does that work with an airbrush?... yes, I always ask lots of questions when I see something I like.
@Adamsouza it's cheap and it's easy peasy or however you say that. Adult shirts at hobby lobby are maybe 3-4 dollars for men and upwards of 8 for women for.. reasons? Well there's a built in 30% off most of the time. You can get them cheaper by buying packs at department stores but they're thinner shirts usually.
What I've done so far is really simple stencil work, once you can do better freehand stuff you can make really neat designs.
@Red I used badger spectratex, it's similar to createx, I think they're both meant for fabrics at least to some degree. I'm gonna experiment with my minitaire sometime to see if it holds up too. I still need to iron the shirt to fuse the paint. It's meant for the airbrush so it works great The first shirt faded a bit on the first wash so I'm gonna make sure I iron the holy hell out of the rest of these, prewash to test, and touch up where necessary followed by re-ironing just in case.
So I did manage to play 40k. The shadowknights got beaten by the Orkish rabble, the thuggish brutes displayed unusual cunning (Kun'in?) and played the scenario securing far more objectives than the marines who spent most of their time castled up. I let the orkish charge fear me into my corner and didn't take enough of the boys out to win the objectives angle. Ending on turn 5 put me a bit out of position too.
Next time we will probably try something different, maybe some X-wing or Mars Attacks or some other shorter game perhaps. I'll dump some photos later.
Yeah. It was fun. I don't mind losing. It used to bother me but I've gotten past that point, for the most part. Played the game too safe, and didn't have stellar rolls. Given we're liable to play other games... I feel bad for dragging the poor marines out for one fight.
Cool. I had to look that up since I only played Halo a little bit
Thanks
I'm gonna put the sword a bit larger on the back, should I do an outline like the arbiter guy, or more like the sword he's holding on the front? The outline will look solid, as does the guy on front. If I try to make it solid and glowy it may or may not look good so I'm hesitant to mess it up since the front is done.
GrimDork wrote: Cool. I had to look that up since I only played Halo a little bit
Thanks
I'm gonna put the sword a bit larger on the back, should I do an outline like the arbiter guy, or more like the sword he's holding on the front? The outline will look solid, as does the guy on front. If I try to make it solid and glowy it may or may not look good so I'm hesitant to mess it up since the front is done.
Those 5 human soldiers are done, pictures taken but I used the cable to charge my phone last night and the sleeping drago...ahem...toddler in that room may wake up eat m....be upset. So more on that later
Automatically Appended Next Post: So yeah bookmarked a link to study, I think crossed may be the way to go. Still not sure if I should do glowy outline line the guy on front, or try not to mess up glowey swords. If I make them bigger I'll have to do more detail and that brings a larger chance of failure. Don't have time to practice really gotta spend the hobby time making more shirts lol.
I need to finish a few more martians and a couple of human survivors and I'll have the first five or so scenarios covered. After that, I'll need to do more survivors for specific missions and eventually 10 more martians and Tor for the last couple of scenarios.
Do you have to add anything else to the shirt? I think it looks pretty awesome as is. I mean, I think the swords would look good on the back as well but if you are worried about messing it up...
I can do the crossed swords pretty well, if I do them as an outline like the guy on front. If I try to fill in the middle, that's where I run into trouble.
Whoo boy you had better get on that, things are gonna have trouble arriving at this late hour I'm gonna have to go local for anything I haven't bought that I'm not also making
I'm gonna go for it. I've got the stencils in place to put white on the blades now, we'll see how it goes.
So here's what I came up with for the shirt. I think I should have kept it more like the guy on the front, the subtlety was cooler than 'moar blooo', but I think I'm happy enough with it to keep truckin.
What do you guys think? Also, martians about half done in the photo, I love how easy they are to paint
Yeah... I'm feeling exceptionally butt hurt right now because of the expedited shipping costs I just paid.
Everything else will be local. Next year I'm going to take a page out of your book and make a bunch of gifts. I've been looking at getting a scroll saw all year. Maybe I'll get one with Christmas money and spend the first part of the year learning how to use it and the second part of the year making everyone's Christmas gifts.
I like how the shirt turned out! How many more do you have to make?
Yeah a scroll saw could be really sweet. A router with a table too. Someday =/
I'm gonna make the girls at least one each so a minimum of two. I may make them two each with time though. I'm not sure how much my sisters or wife wear regular old t-shirts or I'd make them some.
I'm thinking of doing designs like I would put on a shirt but on a foot-square piece of paper-board (Idunno what else to really call it, its papery but too thick for paper, but it's not really cardboard).... kind of like a little poster for people. We'll see though... times running out quickly.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 4x martian grunts completed. Finished Troy as a bonus. Now if I just get Deke done, I'll have the first 4-5 scenarios covered.
I like how Troy turned out. I painted him how I wanted without referencing the studio scheme/art, and serendipitously ended up with almost the same thing.
Finally we have my favorite martian, the "Ack Ack Me Bro!" pose in the center. I may have to make a silhouette of him and put that on a shirt
Yeah so I did a quick trace of his pose and I may want to take another picture but I'm fairly certain I can get a good silhouette off of him... This shirt may have to happen but I need to do the Xmas stuff first.
Yeah, Mantic kickstarted it and the stuff has been hitting retail for the last couple of months or so. More to come. I already have most all of it though as I'm a kickstarter fiend sometimes =/
Started out as a 50's trading card thing. Then a movie in the late 90s or early 00's. The boardgame is with Topps which has rights to the trading cards (of which they've done a new set, as well as graphic novels and other stuff) but not the movie.
Ruleswise it's like Deadzone Lite, and can be expanded up to a 4x4' play area for larger scale battles.
I'm a little over halfway done with the main box game contents (well models, not counting the scenery), I think I've got 60% down. Gonna make a push to get them finished this winter, though I've still got other things to do.
Indeed! They failed to include them in my initial shipment but sorted me out on the follow-up. All of the Martians should come with an appropriate amount of helmets.
They look a little odd-shaped until you go to put them on and discover the kind of lip bit goes right over the collar on the front of their suits.
Lot of really good stuff done since last I looked Grim, very nice! Loving your Mars Attacks stuff and pics with the Battle Systems or deadzone terrain, they're great for demo shots.
I've kind of got the rest of my MA box mapped out in the order I want to do it too. I've still got some other projects I wanna work on soon as well but the MA stuff goes fast and it's one of the easier games to get people to try to play so I'd like to finish it off quickly.
I still haven't actually done any Kickstarter stuff. I was going to do the Kings of War 2 but none of my gaming group was sure they were going to play. I'm always so jealous when I see the boxes being opened.
Hey! This was my 200th post! I'm a nimble goblin wolf rider now!
I remember when I hit 500 or something it said dipping with woodstain, which I was doing at that exact moment, was a good laugh.
I should probably stay away from Kickstarters. There is a strong desire/urge to "get all the things", I own six deadzone factions lol. I mean sure I can provide a friend any faction to play... but hell... I could probably run an 8 person tournament or more with the ridiculous amount of DZ I have floating around. Actually I think that's just limiting it with terrain, enforcers can make a team with maybe 6 dudes so yeah... could have several of those
Getting an army on the cheap is still kind of pointless if I won't game with it. Well not really, I've really come to enjoy the painting part of this hobby a lot more.
Kind of in a weird way though. I mean I like painting. But I'm not terribly good at it. I don't have a strong natural talent and I haven't had any training or classes. I like getting things finished though, transitioning them from the TODO pile to the DONE shelf. Sometimes I try a bit harder, but there's a hill there to be climbed... It's going to take a lot of effort and practice to get noticeably better and I don't really have the time or will to tackle that right now. I'm still fairly content to bust stuff out, and even doing my base-minimal highlights-dip-seal is getting me hours of practice gradually if inefficiently honing my skills a bit as I go.
But what you do need to take into account is that you are finishing stuff Grim You may well be collecting more toys to form a back log, but you'ree still getting finished pieces out. The rate at which I finish stuff is ridiculously slow, I have a frankly embarassing pile of stuff to do, but I'll still keep adding to that pile, and yes, I'll jump in on various KS fro no reason other than "Oh, Shiny!" I blame it on my great-great grandad being a were-magpie, that must be it
I think if I can just cut down on kickstarters overall, I can still participate but just not buy one of EVERYTHING Plus... it'll be ok.
MA stuff huh... I've got 3 sets of novs vira which is maybe 30 more minis.. two batches of science division (like 24), 5 giant bugs with handlers, lots of terrain, 7 wrecked scenery cars, 2 big stompys, three saucers, 3 military trucks, 10 more human soldiers, 5 martian marines, 5 stealth martians.. maybe 10 total martian marines actually... probably 10 more characters on both sides, 10 bounty hunters/tiger corps, ... that may be it. Probably a few things I forgot. Too much
One niece is getting two batman themed shirts, the other is getting at least one Mass effect shirt.
Oh well, as long as I back smaller it's not as big of a deal. And after my big chunky DZ,MA, and eventual Bones2, DBX and so on... I think I'll have a big space-eating poignant reminder of why to only get really-really-cool-things-that-I-can't-live-without
Heh, yeah that's true. I'm probably even more screwed than I know. Oh well. At least it's fun models to paint and potentially game with and not something... I dunno less useful? I could be collecting porcelain statuettes
You may not be focusing on getting better but you are improving for sure! I think the painting you did in the samurai diorama is especially great!
I think the one thing that will keep Kickstarter from becoming a problem for me is the fact that you don't get the stuff right away. I'm not terribly patient...
I'm not super patient either generally. I think I was super enthusiastic about deadzone which helped me wait. And now that I've got a big stash of rewards from various projects, I've always got something to do.
Another way to look at it too is that if you want the thing and are impatient, then you really *should* do the kickstarter as you may end up getting it months ahead of retail
Good stuff, the Martians are coming out really nicely, and man with crossbow is very good. Oddly enough, I think how you painted the jeans is the highlight of the mini!
, might fit those in somehow.
.............(whack) Jobs a good 'un. Wait there's more! Aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiieeeeeeee............- Last words of many empire citizens over the years. 
how are you still hungry!" They're like kids.
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