GrimDork wrote: Meh, now that I've given what I can/want to to MA, I'll have to pop on over to the AvP page and give it a look over. I want nothing to do with terrain, box game, or humans, but I may look into getting an Alien, Predator, or some combination (a set, or hybrid, read it both ways ) to paint up for my nephew. Not sure though, international shipping would probably make it not worth the effort. Maybe on eBay after it's done.
International shipping's 10GBP, flat. Not a half-bad number.
No, that isn't bad especially for a larger package but I hate paying as much for shipping as my items. And I'm talking a single predator and or alien so well just see.
cincydooley wrote: Can someone give me some input on the predalien thing? Is it from the comics? Or a movie that i haven't seen?
The Predalien's in AVP: Requiem, but they also show up in comics and the games occasionally. Basically it's an Alien, except instead of coming from a human, it comes from a Predator.
cincydooley wrote: Can someone give me some input on the predalien thing? Is it from the comics? Or a movie that i haven't seen?
The Predalien's in AVP: Requiem, but they also show up in comics and the games occasionally. Basically it's an Alien, except instead of coming from a human, it comes from a Predator.
btw, Sentry Guns unlocked.
So a face hugger got a hold of a predator? Cool. Are the comics actually any good?
cincydooley wrote: Can someone give me some input on the predalien thing? Is it from the comics? Or a movie that i haven't seen?
The Predalien's in AVP: Requiem, but they also show up in comics and the games occasionally. Basically it's an Alien, except instead of coming from a human, it comes from a Predator.
btw, Sentry Guns unlocked.
So a face hugger got a hold of a predator? Cool. Are the comics actually any good?
Yes.
The (relatively) recent "Three World War" is pretty cool.
If you don't like the movie one you should compare it to the model from the AvP2 PC game. Thing's ugly as hell, doesn't even look like a xenomorph really.
cincydooley wrote: Can someone give me some input on the predalien thing? Is it from the comics? Or a movie that i haven't seen?
The Predalien's in AVP: Requiem, but they also show up in comics and the games occasionally. Basically it's an Alien, except instead of coming from a human, it comes from a Predator.
btw, Sentry Guns unlocked.
So a face hugger got a hold of a predator? Cool. Are the comics actually any good?
The original arc just titled "Aliens vs. Predator" was one of my favorites, not brilliant but definitely good.
Azazelx wrote: The Predalien is actually a pretty awesome design as well, despite the movie not being all that great.
I don't like its haircut! Makes zero sense, it like saying if an alien drone came out of Miley Cyrus it would have a short side-parting, bright red lipstick and be wearing briefs.
Also, 'that scene' in the 2nd AvP movie (which was that day's 'GTA torture scene' if I remember correctly)
Will be interesting to see what the royal drones turn out - know they had a mention in one of the Steve Perry Alien books book I can't remember which one..
I don't know much about the "yautja" but I'm pretty sure the dreads aren't literally like human hair. Clearly they can't be made of bone, either, but still, it's not quite the same.
It may not make much sense in any case, but it does look cool, and pretty much every interpretation of a predalien I've seen in art, the games, that awful movie, etc. has had the dreads incorporated into it. At this point it would be weird if the predalien didn't have them.
I've always thought they were some cool sensory organ.
We have seen the Xenomorphs take positive attributes from other species, so if it gave them an advantage, it wouldn't be outside of the scope of possibility it would be adapted.
BrookM wrote: We've also moved to the 900 pledgers level, which is still a far cry from 2000 pledgers, but I like to think we're slowly getting there.
We are only about three days in though, I expect to get to the 2000 mark.
So far we're at the level I wanted to get to as a minimum (sentry guns), although I would like to see some more characters.
The Royal Guard (or Praetorians as they are sometimes known), are the biggest and best of the Alien Warriors. Each of these Elite xenomorphs can be identified by their large crest and close proximity to the Queen. Wherever they can be found you can be sure the Queen isn't far away (hint, hint!!)
With the release of the next stretch goal, we have unlocked the Sentry Guns...
I can't for the life of me remember where I read it, but I recall reading somewhere that the "dreadlocks" are actually fleshy extensions of the Predator (not hair) and function in some way as additional sensory apparatus...
Maybe one of the novels...?
It would go a long way to explaining "in universe" the design of the predalien.
cincydooley wrote: Can someone give me some input on the predalien thing? Is it from the comics? Or a movie that i haven't seen?
Its originally from one of the Video Games, but also appears in the second AVP Film.
To be precise, it was birthed in the final scene of the first AvP movie.
Pacific wrote:I don't like its haircut! Makes zero sense, it like saying if an alien drone came out of Miley Cyrus it would have a short side-parting, bright red lipstick and be wearing briefs.
I tried to explain it the first time you made that false hair comparison. These are flesh extensions like Kroot have, and Kroot are also born with these. Don't make me compare this to some human fleshy extensions you are hopefully born with
cincydooley wrote:What was the free add on before the berserker?
Vain wrote: Gotta agree with BrookM
A legit photo/game shot of a model's source, or a render.
I asked about it, but it got promptly ignored in favour of other stuff.
Not ignored Brook, just missed
'as this is an unlockable extra and we are on KS we have started working on this when it became apparent it would likely happen (so over the WE). As soon as the render is approved we will share it and at that moment it will go into production (so we will be able to show the actual Model hopefully before the end of the KS). Remember KS is to back a project. In this case firstly to allow the deluxe version of the game to be produce and secondly to accelerate the timeline of production to produce other products that wouldn't see the light of day otherwise to the very earliest 12-24 months from now (this and all the other unlocks).'
Vain wrote: Gotta agree with BrookM
A legit photo/game shot of a model's source, or a render.
I asked about it, but it got promptly ignored in favour of other stuff.
Not ignored Brook, just missed
'as this is an unlockable extra and we are on KS we have started working on this when it became apparent it would likely happen (so over the WE). As soon as the render is approved we will share it and at that moment it will go into production (so we will be able to show the actual Model hopefully before the end of the KS). Remember KS is to back a project. In this case firstly to allow the deluxe version of the game to be produce and secondly to accelerate the timeline of production to produce other products that wouldn't see the light of day otherwise to the very earliest 12-24 months from now (this and all the other unlocks).'
Ahhh, gotcha! We've been moving too fast to catch up eh?
Kroothawk wrote: I tried to explain it the first time you made that false hair comparison. These are flesh extensions like Kroot have, and Kroot are also born with these. Don't make me compare this to some human fleshy extensions you are hopefully born with
Maybe it's worth noting, maybe not, but the Kroot "dreads" are apparently bone, or at the very least some kind of cartilage I guess, because the Kroot trophy skull that comes in the Dark Eldar venom (I think?) still has them attached to it after being cleaned off and put on display.
Of all the add-ons, which ones are KS exclusive? I know the berserker is, but I would hate for the other models to be...namely the Aliens warriors.
Well the retail box of AvP will have monopose one piece plastic miniatures, not sure if the Deluxe edition with multipose resin miniatureswill hit retail. But I guess separate resin boxes will.
RiTides wrote: So what does it mean that I liked Prometheus, then
I like Colonial Marines myself, nobody is infallible.
I second loving Colonial marines, I just wish they'd do a series of 3 films focused on a squad of marines, boot camp, missions etc or is that just me who'd be giddy for that?
Also throw in W-Y mercs as a faction, and if they look like the ones in colonial marines I'll be so hyper.
RiTides wrote: So what does it mean that I liked Prometheus, then
I like Colonial Marines myself, nobody is infallible.
I second loving Colonial marines, I just wish they'd do a series of 3 films focused on a squad of marines, boot camp, missions etc or is that just me who'd be giddy for that?
Also throw in W-Y mercs as a faction, and if they look like the ones in colonial marines I'll be so hyper.
Azazelx wrote: The Predalien is actually a pretty awesome design as well, despite the movie not being all that great.
I don't like its haircut! Makes zero sense, it like saying if an alien drone came out of Miley Cyrus it would have a short side-parting, bright red lipstick and be wearing briefs.
Also, 'that scene' in the 2nd AvP movie (which was that day's 'GTA torture scene' if I remember correctly)
Will be interesting to see what the royal drones turn out - know they had a mention in one of the Steve Perry Alien books book I can't remember which one..
Though it's not actually hair, they're more like spines or whiskers (though thick and soft) - some of which get decorated on the Preds, so in that contact they still make sense. Also, while the Predalien is naked, I've never seen it swinging on a wrecking ball while crying and warbling - or rubbing it's nether regions with a giant foam hand!
"That scene"? Do you mean the
Spoiler:
hospital scene?
Let's face it, the movie was no work of art, I just like the Predalien design that they used.
Azazelx wrote: The Predalien is actually a pretty awesome design as well, despite the movie not being all that great.
I don't like its haircut! Makes zero sense, it like saying if an alien drone came out of Miley Cyrus it would have a short side-parting, bright red lipstick and be wearing briefs.
Also, 'that scene' in the 2nd AvP movie (which was that day's 'GTA torture scene' if I remember correctly)
Will be interesting to see what the royal drones turn out - know they had a mention in one of the Steve Perry Alien books book I can't remember which one..
I dont know, maybe Yautja and Xenomorphs genetic goes weird when fused? They are the only creatures in the scenario who dont bleed red...
2nd AvP was a good movie, who saddly could have been great if it was not for ONE stupid ideia (pretty much like aliens ressurrection movie)
Spoiler:
serious, when they will understand that xenomorphs reproduce in one way, and only that way?
At least, if you forget that horrendous ideia, it is better than the first by miles...
As this tread seens to be filled with fans of booth brands: there is any good novels, HQs or missing piece of fluffy who describes the Predators society more deeply? I always wanted to explore them in RPG, and had to almost create the details about "what we do when not hunting?".
Vain wrote: Gotta agree with BrookM
A legit photo/game shot of a model's source, or a render.
I asked about it, but it got promptly ignored in favour of other stuff.
Not ignored Brook, just missed
'as this is an unlockable extra and we are on KS we have started working on this when it became apparent it would likely happen (so over the WE). As soon as the render is approved we will share it and at that moment it will go into production (so we will be able to show the actual Model hopefully before the end of the KS). Remember KS is to back a project. In this case firstly to allow the deluxe version of the game to be produce and secondly to accelerate the timeline of production to produce other products that wouldn't see the light of day otherwise to the very earliest 12-24 months from now (this and all the other unlocks).'
Quick question, are you doing the Aliens xenomorph warrior, or the AVPR warrior?
Azazelx wrote: The Predalien is actually a pretty awesome design as well, despite the movie not being all that great.
I don't like its haircut! Makes zero sense, it like saying if an alien drone came out of Miley Cyrus it would have a short side-parting, bright red lipstick and be wearing briefs.
Also, 'that scene' in the 2nd AvP movie (which was that day's 'GTA torture scene' if I remember correctly)
Will be interesting to see what the royal drones turn out - know they had a mention in one of the Steve Perry Alien books book I can't remember which one..
Though it's not actually hair, they're more like spines or whiskers (though thick and soft) - some of which get decorated on the Preds, so in that contact they still make sense. Also, while the Predalien is naked, I've never seen it swinging on a wrecking ball while crying and warbling - or rubbing it's nether regions with a giant foam hand!
"That scene"? Do you mean the
Spoiler:
hospital scene?
Let's face it, the movie was no work of art, I just like the Predalien design that they used.
Yeah the scene in question was both ballsy and tasteless at the same time. I actually watched AVP again last night because I had only seen it the one time, but it was worse than I remembered. It's just so... dull overall. I actually enjoy AVP:R to an extent (while acknowledging that it's terrible) because it does away with all the pretenses and just becomes a marathon of mindless gore featuring the two coolest movie monsters ever. On the other hand, AVP tried to be a legitimate entry in both series and failed badly, which makes it just feel boring and not really have any reason to watch it.
Nice dodging the censors there you criminal of society. Also, isn't it a MAX unit?
Heh, was going to call it the Sh*tkicker but figured I'd get a clobbering for dodging the filter and thought it would be corrected to gakkicker...
The cyborg berserker in Tribes was called a MOX, I thought, (MOX, Mobile Offensive Exo-Warrior) and was essentially built around the mangled remains of a former marine, unlike the later and over the top MAX which was like a centurion suit.
Although I may be remembering wrong, it's been a long time.
I've only read the Dredd author penned story about a MAX suit and a squad of penal troops including a point man whose whole point was to get caught and be brought to the hive. Talk about nightmare fuel.
Maybe I can come across it sooner or later, I tore through the six omnibuses this weekend. There's a lot of drek in there but at least a few stories are well worth it.
Ok so after reading the kick-starter, Im glad they have chosen to go with a skirmish sized game, but I wonder if they are going to use a grid base for movement or a tape measure? I hope they use inches for the game, it would be nice to fight in the jungle...
Azazelx wrote: The Predalien is actually a pretty awesome design as well, despite the movie not being all that great.
I don't like its haircut! Makes zero sense, it like saying if an alien drone came out of Miley Cyrus it would have a short side-parting, bright red lipstick and be wearing briefs.
Also, 'that scene' in the 2nd AvP movie (which was that day's 'GTA torture scene' if I remember correctly)
Will be interesting to see what the royal drones turn out - know they had a mention in one of the Steve Perry Alien books book I can't remember which one..
Though it's not actually hair, they're more like spines or whiskers (though thick and soft) - some of which get decorated on the Preds, so in that contact they still make sense. Also, while the Predalien is naked, I've never seen it swinging on a wrecking ball while crying and warbling - or rubbing it's nether regions with a giant foam hand!
"That scene"? Do you mean the
Spoiler:
hospital scene?
Let's face it, the movie was no work of art, I just like the Predalien design that they used.
yes that's the one.
And yes, I think that's the point with the Predalien - that they went with what looks cool, rather than what makes sense. Because having it like that makes it seem as though the Predators dreadlocks are just part of its biology, rather than its own ornamentation. Which, IMO just makes the Predator that much less cool and characterful!
Anyway.. moving on!
@Cincydooly - for the comics I would probably recommend the first AvP omnibus (which has IMO the coolest AvP story written.. you will watch it and lament the missed opportunity with the steaming pile of horse dung that was the movie). Otherwise the Aliens ones are pretty good, and probably preferable to the later AvP ones.
I prefer Steve Perry's novelizations of the comics to the comics themselves. He's a great writer for this genre and Prodos made a great move getting him to write for this boxed set.
Manchu wrote:I prefer Steve Perry's novelizations of the comics to the comics themselves. He's a great writer for this genre and Prodos made a great move getting him to write for this boxed set.
Definitely agree ... those books were really cool, think probably Earth Hive was my favourite, and the one where the crazy general tries to control the aliens (even going as far as having numbers painted on them!)
RiTides wrote:Agree to disagree on the awesomeness that is the PredAlien, Pacific
Haha yes fair enough - I will say though that I do think it looks quite cool, it's just I don't like the concept behind it. And yes, obviously I need more important things to be concerned about
Vain wrote: Gotta agree with BrookM
A legit photo/game shot of a model's source, or a render.
I asked about it, but it got promptly ignored in favour of other stuff.
Not ignored Brook, just missed
'as this is an unlockable extra and we are on KS we have started working on this when it became apparent it would likely happen (so over the WE). As soon as the render is approved we will share it and at that moment it will go into production (so we will be able to show the actual Model hopefully before the end of the KS). Remember KS is to back a project. In this case firstly to allow the deluxe version of the game to be produce and secondly to accelerate the timeline of production to produce other products that wouldn't see the light of day otherwise to the very earliest 12-24 months from now (this and all the other unlocks).'
Quick question, are you doing the Aliens xenomorph warrior, or the AVPR warrior?
This question is the biggest one for me at the moment. Please answer, Prodos! (I'm guessing the pic posted when the goal was met was an action figure shot too, but as it's an AvP:R warrior, no-one's sure what's happening)
RiTides wrote: So what does it mean that I liked Prometheus, then
I like Colonial Marines myself, nobody is infallible.
I second loving Colonial marines, I just wish they'd do a series of 3 films focused on a squad of marines, boot camp, missions etc or is that just me who'd be giddy for that?
Also throw in W-Y mercs as a faction, and if they look like the ones in colonial marines I'll be so hyper.
I have not played Colonial Marines, but I took a gander on the Internets to see what the hubbub was about for the Weyland-Yutani PMCs.
Found this bit of concept art and have to say...yes.
Not to burst any bubbles, but only design one and four were actually used. Two as well, not sure, but number three, nope. You mostly come across number one throughout the game though..
I'm actually part of a production team putting a colonial marines fan film together soon .building up the suits of armour atm . Think I'm just gobna be in for some sqds by themselves can't be bothered with the whole game .
I picked it up and can see why it got the negative reviews it has.... I wish I could get my 4.00 back . I do wonder if Prodos will make characters from the game and books.
About the dreads - here is a piece on the design by Stan Winston...
Inspiration for the Predator design came from a piece of artwork in Joel Silver's office, a painting of a Rastafarian warrior. "I saw that and I thought it was a great starting concept for the Predator," Winston said. "I stared drawing and designing this alien character with quills that in silhouette would look like dreadlocks. During this same period of time, Aliens had come out, and Jim Cameron and I were flying to Japan to participate in a symposium about the movie. We were sitting next to each other on the plane, and I was sketching and drawing the Predator. Jim suddenly said, 'You know, I've always wanted to see something with mandibles.' And I said, 'Hmmm, that's an interesting idea.' And I stared drawing the now-famous mandibles of the Predator. So, between the Rastafarian painting in Joel Silver's office and the mandible idea from Jim Cameron, I came up with 'Stan Winston's Predator'. And I take complete credit for it, even though I had nothing to do with it, obviously!"
I've always seen the Predator as a humanoid crab basically. Given the general look and paintscheme and smaller quills on the face and body. The quills/dreads attach to sockets in the head that look pretty much like the sockets for the crabs appendages...
Apparantly the "voice" of the predator is the result of the actor thinking the Predator looked like a Horseshoe crab that makes clicking/gurgling sounds when on their back...
Joyboozer wrote: What's it about the Beserker predator that makes it different, besides appearance?
Is there an explanation behind it?
The Berserker Predator is part of the "super predators". Taken from Xenopedia The Super Predators are a sub-species of the Yautja(predators) race. They are essentially a larger, stronger version of the Jungle Hunter Predators.
Joyboozer wrote: What's it about the Beserker predator that makes it different, besides appearance?
Is there an explanation behind it?
The Berserker Predator is part of the "super predators". Taken from Xenopedia The Super Predators are a sub-species of the Yautja(predators) race. They are essentially a larger, stronger version of the Jungle Hunter Predators.
They seem to value honour less, they don't have much qualms about using heavier equipment, killing immobilized prey and just straight-up kidnapping people for their game preserves. It's also implied that they're trying to improve their techniques, possibly for an invasion.
And yes, I think that's the point with the Predalien - that they went with what looks cool, rather than what makes sense. Because having it like that makes it seem as though the Predators dreadlocks are just part of its biology, rather than its own ornamentation. Which, IMO just makes the Predator that much less cool and characterful!
Michael Seigler wrote:You know, I have to wonder exactly what the deal is with the licensing of this game. The AVP license has been quiet for a couple of years now, with very little being released, and then within a few days of each other, Dark Horse announced four new comic series set within the continuity, Upper Deck announced their Alien Deck-building game, and we got our first teaser image of this.
He was speculating just that someone at Fox was looking for a promotion, but maybe as BrookM pointed out they're just gearing up for the AvP 25th anniversary?
BrookM wrote: I did some digging and I think it's an anniversary thing, as the Alien versus Predator franchise was kicked off in 1989, which will turn 25 next year.
I think that's much more likely, personally! And awesome as it's an opportunity for things like this miniatures range / game to happen
BrookM wrote: I did some digging and I think it's an anniversary thing, as the Alien versus Predator franchise was kicked off in 1989, which will turn 25 next year.
I think that's much more likely, personally! And awesome as it's an opportunity for things like this miniatures range / game to happen
And yes, I think that's the point with the Predalien - that they went with what looks cool, rather than what makes sense. Because having it like that makes it seem as though the Predators dreadlocks are just part of its biology, rather than its own ornamentation. Which, IMO just makes the Predator that much less cool and characterful!
I meant the dreadlocks on the back of the head, in the sense that the Predator has chosen to plait its hair, rather than it being like it naturally ... Guessing that the Predator would have a mullet if it were natural?
Anyway.. that line of discussion is starting to drag even for me now, don't want to force it on anyone else anymore!
.. Am actually tempted to pick up Colonial Marines, just for some of the crazy sounding plot-developments I've read about if nothing else. And those Weyland Yutani soldiers look awesome..
The game is a wreck, but it certainly has its moments, especially some of the level design is well done, as you get to revisit the movie sets in some detail, which is good fun.
RiTides wrote: So what does it mean that I liked Prometheus, then
I like Colonial Marines myself, nobody is infallible.
I second loving Colonial marines, I just wish they'd do a series of 3 films focused on a squad of marines, boot camp, missions etc or is that just me who'd be giddy for that?
Also throw in W-Y mercs as a faction, and if they look like the ones in colonial marines I'll be so hyper.
I have not played Colonial Marines, but I took a gander on the Internets to see what the hubbub was about for the Weyland-Yutani PMCs.
Found this bit of concept art and have to say...yes.
Those are the ones. make me really want W-Y as a faction
Also just noticed (I'm a bit slow i'm sure) the addons coming out in order look to be (Going by their icons)
And yes, I think that's the point with the Predalien - that they went with what looks cool, rather than what makes sense. Because having it like that makes it seem as though the Predators dreadlocks are just part of its biology, rather than its own ornamentation. Which, IMO just makes the Predator that much less cool and characterful!
I meant the dreadlocks on the back of the head, in the sense that the Predator has chosen to plait its hair, rather than it being like it naturally ... Guessing that the Predator would have a mullet if it were natural?
Anyway.. that line of discussion is starting to drag even for me now, don't want to force it on anyone else anymore!
.. Am actually tempted to pick up Colonial Marines, just for some of the crazy sounding plot-developments I've read about if nothing else. And those Weyland Yutani soldiers look awesome..
How do you figure they are plaited? Unless the word means something I am not familiar with I made a post about the actual design idea behind it from Stan Winston himself a few posts up. They are meant to be quills.
@Duce. The Weyland stretch goals are apparently for game upgraded rather then Weyland themed figures which is a shame, that said I think the game could do with a gameplay addon of some sort even if just a couple of extra tiles, terrain doors / crates and a PDF mission book making use of all the extra minis.
Unfortunately not and Protus haven't been responding to any questions regarding the design, quality, material, etc but hopefully they release more info before the end of the campaign.
happygolucky wrote: Ok so after reading the kick-starter, Im glad they have chosen to go with a skirmish sized game, but I wonder if they are going to use a grid base for movement or a tape measure? I hope they use inches for the game, it would be nice to fight in the jungle...
@jakub
Colonial Berzerker strike team are fom Aliens: Berzerker comic series which ran for 4 issues. They hunt down alien hives. It consists of a 5 man strike team of marines. One is a medic who monitors and controls the exosuit berzerker, one is a "pathfinder" who allows himself to be taken to the hive to be enpregnated. His armour contains a homing beacon for the Berzerker exosuit, which also cuts out the berzerkers weapons if within a few feet so he doesn't get killed when the berzerker destroys the hive.
@Tides, how easy is it to set up the Anytime pledge with add ons? Is there like a tick box feature, or do you just write it out? Complete kickstarter noob that might need direction on how to do this before the time limit runs out!
@Alf, that does look very Predator planet esque, surely there are cheaper options floating about though? What happened to that modular terrain kickstarter? Can't remember what it was called but they were producing a similar idea for a lower amount IIRC.
Necros wrote: So what happens to the pathfinder? does he still get chest-bursted? Or do murderers on death row "volunteer" for the job?
The members of the team are marines with a chance to redeem their selves, either thirty to life in the slammer or fifteen missions with a suicide squad. The point man has a special mask by the way, which prevents him from being impregnated. He just goes limp and lets himself get taken to the hive.
Spoiler:
First time round he gets rescued but after doing the same thing for so many missions he becomes a nervous, nightmare ridden wreck. During their final suicide mission, not only does the MAX operator die, but the pointman's mask also gets torn off and he gets a face full of wing-wong.
Medium of Death wrote: @Alf, that does look very Predator planet esque, surely there are cheaper options floating about though? What happened to that modular terrain kickstarter? Can't remember what it was called but they were producing a similar idea for a lower amount IIRC.
Of course their are cheaper options I was just talking about boards that are not so cheap once they hit retail with a friend last night and mentioned that I'd rather buy the FW realm of battle boards, and while staring at them, we realized that the Tomb Citadel would make a sweet looking AvP board.
Alfndrate wrote: Okay, because I was thinking that this might be a nice board to play on if it was 2x2:
That would look really cool as an AVP type board with alien egs on the platforms. We've also reached 145k so I expect there will be an update 0-8 hours from now.
Surely a facehugger would just keep excreting acid until it removed the mask or choked you out with its tail or a warrior would come along and tear it off. The idea of the "Berserker Squad" doesn't really sound like it fits in with the USCM imho.
Medium of Death- Orlando has it right . The check box is your "pledge level" and then you put any add-ons in above that.
So, if you want the minimum level you select the Anytime checkbox, then adjust your pledge for the amount of add-ons you want beyond that (so anything more than the default 10 pounds that that level costs).
I don't think most of the freebies apply to the Anytime level, even if your bring your pledge total above the other levels cost. I asked Prodos about the "free fig at 2000 backers" for pledging 75 pounds or more, and they said this applies to the Anytime level if you pay that much. But most of the other freebies list the names of pledge levels, not total pledge amount, as the criteria for getting them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu- when you say that, xenomorph pretty much equals Alien, right?
Is that just used to distinguish Aliens from other possible "aliens" that might be out there somewhere?
RiTides wrote: Manchu- when you say that, xenomorph pretty much equals Alien, right?
Is that just used to distinguish Aliens from other possible "aliens" that might be out there somewhere?
Yes, "xenomorph" is standard fan parlance for the star species of the Alien movies. There are several binomials out there but the most current and my particular favorite is Internecivus raptus. In the Predator language, xenomorphs are sometimes called "serpents."
RiTides wrote: Predator- What's left for the predators that hasn't been covered??
I'm sure it is but it looks nothing like the necron one. The former is more of a pyramid type structure either outdoors or underground in a huge cavern like AVP where as the above is clearly a spaceship or high tech base corridor. They're both cool but I wouldn't consider them any more interchangeable or equivalent.
Hmm, maybe it's just 'cause I'm a bigger ALIENS fan, but that one was kinda' lame feeling by comparison, felt it started way less grounded and like the voices just didn't fit (instead of being parodies)
They also mentioned that a samurai predator is planned if this reaches high enough (someone asked in the comments as they liked the samurai predator statue from a couple of years back).
As for additional Predator stuff; Possibly an Elder Predator, older & meaner with better equipment?
I hope they keep eggs as a potential terrain piece for later or have them come with the facehugger kit.
Still no Synthetics so I think we might get assistant synthetics for the marine squad.
I agree with the human vs human thing. Getting Yutani in the mix with the USCM would be a good "Shadow War" scenario where each faction fights for the destruction/preservation of the xenomorph. Yutani could have better equipment, less of them, perhaps even just have them as synethics in body armour.
Keep in mind that the stretch goal chart isn't absolute (presumably, I would assume they have plans in place for if they exceed whatever funding level they had anticipated), nor is it 1:1 in terms of what we're getting. Remember we had a couple double stretch goals (free facehuggers, free add-on, and a free berserker pred).
I fully expect the chart to get stretched out further and for the Queen to keep getting pushed back until near the end. Prodos just posted on the comments update is coming soon along with more free stuff. Waiting to see how much those Praetorians cost hopefully no more the £15 ideally £10 but the more they cost the more the Queen will cost later! if funds are tight the Praetorians will probably be the first off my list as they aren't in the films and are mostly game created.
Aeneades wrote: They also mentioned that a samurai predator is planned if this reaches high enough (someone asked in the comments as they liked the samurai predator statue from a couple of years back).
My guess is that the queen will be added in no matter what as the last goal regardless of how far we progress on the chart. I'd find it hard to believe that they wouldn't include the massive fund raiser that the queen is in any kickstarter offering.
I don't think the Queen would be pushed back, personally... putting it in with more time to go allows more people to freak out "OMG Alien Queen!?1!" and pledge.
So I'm sticking to my prediction of the last 4 visible goals, and that they would add on other goals if those were exceeded, but not move the (presumed) Queen back.
Not sure why they would push the Queen back. She'll net plenty of money for them. Plus, there are bigger fish to fry than her.
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BrookM wrote: Update would be grand right about now.
They're really funny about this, aren't they? Maybe they're wary of updating until the goal has been met by some amount in case of "take backs." Or maybe they're trying to decide whether to include more free stuff.
I mean if we look at the size of the Predators, and then think that a Praetorian is about half the size, maybe 3/5's, of a Queen I think 20 quid is worthwhile. I've come round to the prices, and I think when we start to see the Tyranid kits come out people might not be as off put about that price point as they once were.
I can't really afford to go all in for this, so I hope a lot of the regular kits make it to standard release. Not too bothered about the Berserker Predator, also not keen on the Samurai Pred. I think there are other more pressing gaps to be filled first. If they make an APC/Drop Ship nobody will be getting any presents...
Nice I think it has to be the Predalien for me - now I can reallocate that £10 and get 1 Royal Guard after all sorted the hound seems to be the odd one out at £7.50 value - unless you want 3 or 5 of them.
Hmm, that free stuff (and, yes, sentries) is getting me closer to putting a pledge in... still feels pricy to me, but they've got a lot of time to win me over...
I believe the Sentry guns like the Praetorian and Hounds are just pictures of props, collectable figures or other film images I don't think they have renders for the later unlocks yet - they siad they have started working on them and will post more nearer the end.
I don't know of anyone has an answer or maybe I missed it but is there any information on the variation of poses? I know the models are
Multi part but does that mean I can only adjust arms etc if I want to vary the poses?
Are the poses duplicated or are there head/arm/weapon variants? If I bought 2 sets will I have 6 preds in 3 poses? Or 10 marines 5 poses?
Do you guys have any reason to think there will be an APC or Dropship? I mean, I know for the APC at least there are other options; but the dropship is a little more difficult.
Ouze wrote: Do you guys have any reason to think there will be an APC or Dropship? I mean, I know for the APC at least there are other options; but the dropship is a little more difficult.
I'm wishing. It might make an appearance at some point after the kickstarter if this becomes a decent tabletop game. *dreams*
At the moment I'd be very surprised to see either the APC or the Dropship.
This is, after all a board game, and they are outwith the scope of the game.
If it's successful and the tabletop game goes ahead, then I would expect them and more besides.
Regarding USMC - might we see some of the weapons listed in Aliens that the Marines were equipped with?
Do the Marines have any more interesting variations in regards of outfits and equipment? Otherwise they are obviously going to have a fairly 'uniform' appearance.
To break that up Prodos might give us a few of the convicts that are onboard the ship. They could be much more varied in terms of appearance.
Lastly we have the ship's crew be they cyborgs or human officers (if such things exist?)
I confess to hoping for a handful of non-canon cheeky crossover miniatures. Zombicide, Mantic, Kingdom Death kind of thing.
Forlorn wrote: I don't know of anyone has an answer or maybe I missed it but is there any information on the variation of poses? I know the models are
Multi part but does that mean I can only adjust arms etc if I want to vary the poses?
Are the poses duplicated or are there head/arm/weapon variants? If I bought 2 sets will I have 6 preds in 3 poses? Or 10 marines 5 poses?
From what we have seen it looks like repeat poses. But hey it's resin so you can bend tails!
Hopefully some of the stretch goals will open up some alternate poses.
I've been posting in the comments asking for a high pledge level (like 150 - 175 pounds) just for models, for wargamers / collectors who want the models but not the base game. This way, folks like that could pledge big and be eligible for the stretch goals, without incentivizing folks making double accounts to get more stretch goals (i.e. because the level is high enough to discourage that).
I think it'd open this up to more folks, like the poster above who said they don't need another game... but they sure as heck need ALIENS models
Feel free to post in the comments if you think it's a good idea, etc! Prodos said to "watch this space" in response, so I think they're considering it
basement.dweller wrote: Praetorians are 8cm high on a 50mm base acording to the live stream... The queen is going to be on a 100mm base.
NICE!
Awesome! I need to watch the whole thing when I get home, but could anyone summarize what other information they gave? Particularly any revelations about model size / details like that.
Forlorn wrote: I don't know of anyone has an answer or maybe I missed it but is there any information on the variation of poses? I know the models are
Multi part but does that mean I can only adjust arms etc if I want to vary the poses?
Are the poses duplicated or are there head/arm/weapon variants? If I bought 2 sets will I have 6 preds in 3 poses? Or 10 marines 5 poses?
Would be good to hear Prodos response to this.
In other news while looking around for Drop Ship/APC models I can across this. It's 1:32 and it's a custom build but it's so awesome I had to share.
Forlorn wrote: I don't know of anyone has an answer or maybe I missed it but is there any information on the variation of poses? I know the models are
Multi part but does that mean I can only adjust arms etc if I want to vary the poses?
Are the poses duplicated or are there head/arm/weapon variants? If I bought 2 sets will I have 6 preds in 3 poses? Or 10 marines 5 poses?
Would be good to hear Prodos response to this.
In other news while looking around for Drop Ship/APC models I can across this. It's 1:32 and it's a custom build but it's so awesome I had to share.
I'd recommend the old Halcyon kit of the Drop Ship at 1:72 scale - it's on the small side for the figures, but it's still fantastic. You can still find it on ebay at around £75.
Aoshima licensed the kit and made a diecast version of it in two versions iirc and the in scale APC was included with one. Worth a look if you are interested in collecting. Not sure what the Aoshima thing goes for, but I think you ve to pay aound £200 for that by now.
RiTides wrote: I've been posting in the comments asking for a high pledge level (like 150 - 175 pounds) just for models, for wargamers / collectors who want the models but not the base game. This way, folks like that could pledge big and be eligible for the stretch goals, without incentivizing folks making double accounts to get more stretch goals (i.e. because the level is high enough to discourage that).
I think it'd open this up to more folks, like the poster above who said they don't need another game... but they sure as heck need ALIENS models
Feel free to post in the comments if you think it's a good idea, etc! Prodos said to "watch this space" in response, so I think they're considering it
basement.dweller wrote: Praetorians are 8cm high on a 50mm base acording to the live stream... The queen is going to be on a 100mm base.
NICE!
Awesome! I need to watch the whole thing when I get home, but could anyone summarize what other information they gave? Particularly any revelations about model size / details like that.
Well I guess it worked - look at the response from Prodos
You're amazing Basement, thanks! And so is Prodos, this is the second time they've listened to one of my suggestions (not sure what the outcome will be here but hopefully it's a success ). And I've only made 2! Haha
I love a creator who listens. And I love aliens. If they add a "collector / miniatures only" pledge level like it seems like they're considering, that will be all my monies. All of them.
Great to see some more movement, for me the free model has to be PredAlien - Hellhounds i'm not too fussed with and the sentry guns I can scratchbuild... The add-ons really are coming along nicely. Just need another 1,000 backers...
As cool as the Alien Queen would be, surely she'd take up too much space on the board - given the narrow corridors and small rooms in the contents pictures.
Edit - I see the large rooms are listed as 8"x8" - what size was the queens base in relation to this?
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CptJake wrote: As cool as a drop ship would be, I know I could not afford a resin version so would not be likely to take advantage of it being made available.
I would imagine that the APC and Dropship will make a show, but not until the AVP KS mk2 - AvP the Wargame
Edit - I see the large rooms are listed as 8"x8" - what size was the queens base in relation to this?
Supposedly 100mm, which is approximately 4"x4"
crikey, so half the room gone, or if in the middle, a 2" corridor around her. Not much room for eggs (presuming they are in an stretch goal) and figures ... I guess though the claustrophobic feel is in line with the films...
CptJake wrote: As cool as a drop ship would be, I know I could not afford a resin version so would not be likely to take advantage of it being made available.
I don't know. The Warzone KS didn't do as well as this one is doing (crikey 1000 backers already?) and it has two Land Raider+ sized tanks, a figher and a few fairly large monsters/walkers in its ranks before the end. A drop ship may not be out of the question a couple weeks from now.
Still sad I don't have cash for this. It is quickly become a pretty nice looking set for £75.
cincydooley wrote: So am I correct to think we now get two "pick your own freebies" now?
Yup, 2 10GBP freebies (although there's a list of what's available for each freebie), 5-9 Facehuggers, a Berserker Predator and if we get to 2000 backers (halfway there now) then we'll get another 10GBP to spend however we wish.
cincydooley wrote: So am I correct to think we now get two "pick your own freebies" now?
Yup, 2 10GBP freebies (although there's a list of what's available for each freebie), 5-9 Facehuggers, a Berserker Predator and if we get to 2000 backers (halfway there now) then we'll get another 10GBP to spend however we wish.
And then 1 more from the sentry, predalien, or hound group at $155k?
I'd agree that as it stands these are the most underwhelming part of the box set, I'm thinking that I'll be more likely to use my Space Hulk tiles or, if I free up some more cash, I may well be backing the Battle Systems™ Sci-fi Modular TerrainKS which looks rather wonderful...
BrookM wrote:Good to see that we're nearly at 155k, it will take some time but slowly but surely we're getting there, so hello free sentries!
Should be able to do the £155k easily today and get some way towards the £165k stretch as well today - average daily pledge for the last three days looks to be around £12k
Ruglud wrote: Well, RiTides got his wish... New pledge level just added
Prodos Games Ltd 36 minutes ago
New Pledge Level: £100: ----"Looking good there, boss!"----- £105 of Add-ons + 5 Facehuggers + Free "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" reward (~$159).
Sweet! I've totally upgraded
A few people posted that they didn't think it was that good of a value, but compared to getting no stretches if you just want add-ons, it's a great one.
For instance, now I will have extra:
-One free add-on (5 Alien Warriors)
-One free Berserker Predator
-One free PredAlien
-One more free PredAlien if we hit 2000 backers (I love the PredAlien!)
I like this deal so much that I've now messaged my local friend, who I am also pledging with on the Games & Gears battle boards KS (we're each getting separate boards but splitting a pack of the trays) to pledge at that level for me, too, so I can easily double up without worrying about the survey. So Prodos is getting another 55 pounds out of me by adding this pledge level... well done!
Basically I was just saying that the base box contents in figures was worth £90 and cost £75 (before stretchgoals)
and that the pick and choose level gave you £105 for £100.
Obviously it's better than nothing, but what I want (to start with) is so close to the base box it will cost me more to buy it through the new pledge rather than just adding it to the base box.
If you look at it that way it doesn't really make much sense at least for me... I mean from their standpoint - they send me a whole bunch of other contents for gaming that surely costs them a fair bit and that I have no real use for. If it's a case of a numbers game in terms of "sold #games" it makes complete sense and I get that. I would have been happy if the new pledge contained an extra £10 addon or two to counter the difference.
Don't forget how time-intensive and error-prone (two huge cost-risk factors!) order-pocking in volume can be on a one-time basis for companies who do not have a structure for such activities in place (and at least that last bit includes CMoN, lol ).
I agree the value isn't fantastic and I certainly will be going for (at least) one base game box instead, but I think they are trying to provide some level of service at least, without giving themselves a huge headache they obviously (and reasonably so) have little desire for.
I agree they are incentivizing game box pledges over and above the risk/cost factors mentioned but that's not only their bare prerogative, it's also quite understandablr as a way to get people to play an actual game (which they might buy more models for!) rather than just making a one-time purchase.
And let's be honest: with the way they're adding freebies the value, for decently cast (if not Mierce/McVey quality) resin is becoming rather good already, so this is more of a somewhat headache-inducing option for the odd man out among pledgers.
That they service those as well with a 'good enough' level shows a rather sensible commitment to customer service without hat being at the expense of good business sense, IMO.
Agreed, but basement the other advantage of this level is that it's low enough that, if you're like me, it's tempting to get it twice (although I'll be having a friend pledge, like I said, so there's no doubt about getting the stretch goals).
If I go that route, tentatively I'm going to pencil myself in for:
10 facehuggers
10 Alien Warriors
4 PredAliens (free)
2 Berseker Predators (planning to trade for 2 more PredAliens!)
3 Praetorians
...3 Queens!? And eggs?
I.e., all ALIENS as these will be getting mixed into my Trollforged counts-as tyranids army.
Sounds like you guys are feeling this is a better value a week or so in? Do we know much about the rules? Would be most interested in this as a board game to play with family (nephew is crazy for avp ).
basement.dweller wrote: Prodos has confirmed that if you in the survey get an "extra" pledge level you get 2x stretchgoals.
What does "get an extra pledge level in the survey" mean?
Say in the survey that you want this pledge level and the other one and get the free items of both?
Exactly, basement. It makes it a little more complicated for the survey, though, which is why I'm simply having a friend make another pledge for me. You'll have to pay shipping twice, but if we hit 2000 backers you'll get a second free model for being another backer, so it evens out. Otherwise, yes you just specify in the survey that you're taking a second pledge level.
If I use these for nids, I'm hoping it's big enough to be a Tervigon if mounted up on a rock, or at least a Carnifex. The rumored base size certainly makes it sound big enough, but it's hard to know until we see something for it, which I don't think will happen for a while.
@RiTides
If I have enough dough I am considering a base game and the £100 level to pick and choose 2x stretch goals certainly makes it more worthwhile than just going for the £155 pledge. At this point in time anyway.
It does, but also costs 20-30 pounds more doing that (well worth it, imo!). They're going to get us no matter what but that's alright, I want to give them money and they want to give me aliens, it's a perfect match
May already have been answered, but is there a way to get an extra Predator Berserker yet? I was looking at getting the 2 boxed set pledge (the £210 one - I forget the name) and splitting with a mate, but unsure as we'd both want the KS exclusive figure.
richred_uk wrote: May already have been answered, but is there a way to get an extra Predator Berserker yet? I was looking at getting the 2 boxed set pledge (the £210 one - I forget the name) and splitting with a mate, but unsure as we'd both want the KS exclusive figure.
You only get ONE set of stretchgoals/freebies with ONE pledge, even if it contains 2 boxes. The only thing you get more of are the face huggers that are per box.
If you want 2 Berserkers you are better off doing 2 pledges --> 2x stretchgoals.
People really seem to like them, and I agree that as objective markers they are pretty sweet. But for purchasing a model I think there are other items I am more interested in.
But yeah, if they replace the objective markers in the box, that's a win
The eggs are cool, but I can buy the Horrorclix queen with a half dozen eggs for $8 U.S. I'm not sure the Horrorclix queen will match up to the Prodos Aliens, but the eggs should work just fine.
It feels like the eggs and facehuggers should have been in the starter from the get go but were removed to pad stretch goals. I suspect a future stretch will be to get some free in the starter.
Medium of Death wrote: The eggs look good, but I think I would have prefered lots of closed eggs. Maybe 6 total with 1 or 2 of those partially opening.
Yeah, I think I'll be going with these instead- 6 for £5.50:
That said, I think the above models might be a little bigger than they should be at actual scale, but that doesn't really matter to me.
So, probably going to allocate my pledge elsewhere than eggs at 4 for £10, but that's no biggie plenty of other things to get.
Edit: Went ahead and ordered 2 sets of the above in case the kibosh gets put on them by Fox, etc . Although since these have been around since 2009, I think they should be fine.
How much do you think the queen will be? I'm guessing between 40-50 pounds... hopefully 40 or 45 instead of 50, as that's starting to get into silly money territory.
If the base size is 100mm, that makes it worth "big model" cost to me, but really hoping it's under 50 pounds as that's $80
UruksDreamToo wrote: The eggs are cool, but I can buy the Horrorclix queen with a half dozen eggs for $8 U.S. I'm not sure the Horrorclix queen will match up to the Prodos Aliens, but the eggs should work just fine.
I didn't realise they were eggs They look like turds with raspberry jam on top, resting on a bed of seaweed.
If by "bash" you mean "give them hundreds of dollars of my money", then I don't know . It's actually not the price that gets me on the eggs though, although those others are cheaper- I just prefer closed eggs.
Since I'll be using these with nids, and might not use the facehugger models, having eggs without the facehuggers coming out of them works better for me.
Lots of folks love the model shown, though, so I think they'll sell lots of these!
I didn't realise they were eggs They look like turds with raspberry jam on top, resting on a bed of seaweed.
Had not seen these before, but I do believe you are correct...
Medium of Death wrote: The eggs look good, but I think I would have prefered lots of closed eggs. Maybe 6 total with 1 or 2 of those partially opening.
Yup, need LOTS more closed eggs. Perhaps another set of five closed eggs...
I don't follow there; they seem a lot less interesting and less fun to paint.
RiTides wrote: Since I'll be using these with nids, and might not use the facehugger models, having eggs without the facehuggers coming out of them works better for me.
Yesterday finished pretty strong -- but check out the comment explosion! I asked about this yesterday and someone mentioned reaching 1000 backer but are there any other explanations for all the sudden chatter?
@Manchu why's that terrible? Feth, my primary use for these will be in infinity - terrible as well? With this IP it's inevitable a significant percentage of sales will be to those interested in the models, but with nary a care for the game Prodos is taping onto said resin shineys
I'd really like painted facehuggers gestating in clear cast closed eggs that you can ink and mist with and an airbrush. Don't see that happening though - not retail anyway.
RiTides wrote: I'm hoping it doesn't come with the egg sack attached
I would bet the egg sac will be a separate (as in buy separate) piece or an entirely separate queen + egg sac model.
RiTides wrote: Manchu- I'm not the only one who said they would've preferred more closed eggs!
Taste is taste; I'm more against the idea that AvP ought to be X so someone can use it for not-AvP.
Bolognesus wrote: @Manchu why's that terrible? Feth, my primary use for these will be in infinity - terrible as well? With this IP it's inevitable a significant percentage of sales will be to those interested in the models, but with nary a care for the game Prodos is taping onto said resin shineys
Don't get me wrong; I'm not especially concerned about the game Prodos is making, either. But what I do want to see is this particular IP done really, really well. As you say, people are interested in the IP first and foremost. What might work as Nids or in Infinity doesn't matter when it comes to what Prodos should be doing. Prodos should take what's in the franchise and do that really, really well. Dynamic egg sculpts with facehuggers jumping or climbing out is better for the franchise than generic eggs. That's what BrookM would call the wing-wong money shot. It's a key moment for the IP.
Of course, that's only assuming these options are mutually exclusive. Another set that is a closed egg only would not necessarily take up further resources as long as people were content to have double sculpt sets. I mean, there is no real reason to sculpt another closed or slightly opening egg.
^^Yes indeed, I have been holding off for a while, but there does seem to be a really steady stream of backers. Which means I might just get on board. The UK has recently seen Aliens SE and Predators air, which has gotten me in the mood so to speak!
RiTides wrote: If by "bash" you mean "give them hundreds of dollars of my money", then I don't know . It's actually not the price that gets me on the eggs though, although those others are cheaper- I just prefer closed eggs.
Since I'll be using these with nids, and might not use the facehugger models, having eggs without the facehuggers coming out of them works better for me.
Lots of folks love the model shown, though, so I think they'll sell lots of these!
I use eggs as spore mines. I know xenomorph eggs don't actually explode but it is fun to see the enemy models shoot them first as I deploy them pretty aggressively. Always cool to see guardsmen trying their hardest *not* to become the next chestburster.
Yes, despite the initial negativity, this KS is becoming a steadily sweeter deal. I especially like the choose-your-own upgrade rewards that are mixed with the facehuggers and bezerkers. This is perfect -- just contrast RiTides and myself, for example: RiTides is all about the Predalien but I want nothing to do with it. With this set-up, both parties win!
warboss wrote: I use eggs as spore mines. I know xenomorph eggs don't actually explode but it is fun to see the enemy models shoot them first as I deploy them pretty aggressively. Always cool to see guardsmen trying their hardest *not* to become the next chestburster.
It's looking to me like, as long as new backers and pledges remain consistent, then we'll hit 2000 backers and the Alien Queen with a day or 2 to spare. Fingers crossed!
I really hope there is a stretch goal that increases (read: improves) the model quantity of the base game. Not only for the kickstarter backers, but for the retail release as well.
I recall this being done on a few projects and they seemed to be popular options.
The ks backers get nicely modelled resin options as incentive and everyone comes out ahead. Everyone.
For example, the newly revealed egg option. Those should be included in the base game. No brainer there. But the 10 pound buy in is a bit prohibitive. Enough for me to easily consider other options as shown last page without a second thought. If I am going to buy them, then may as well get something closer to what I want.
The Marine numbers need to be padded a bit more in the base game as well, such as another squad and the sarge as default.
I know this is a premium product, but you don't have to use the GW business model mentality in order to be successful. You really don't.
More perceived value equals greater success for the project and happy customers which in turn means more money in the long run for Prodos.
A point consumers have been trying to beat into GWs thick numbskull for years now. Long term not short term is the way to think. As we see, GW is suffering for pricing people out of their products. And people are happily leaving to bigger and much better products.
OK. That was a bit ranty than intended. My apologies to the reader. But this is an important product. People have been waiting many years for this to occur and everyone who is interested in this IP wants this product line to be successful. Hence a few heated discussions about expectations.
Long story short is that just because this is a premium product, doesn't mean it has to be priced to make the consumer feel a bit gouged. The eggs not being part of the game by default, makes me at least and quite a few others judging by remarks I've read, feel a bit gouged.
Prodos, like GW, will get their money, but this is a short term capital mindset. A long term customer satisfaction mindset will garner them more capital in the long run.
That's my thoughts on the matter. Give value to them as you see fit. Damn tablet is hard to post with. So many typos. Sorry for the edits.
Regarding things not going so fast, Prodos did mention on Facebook that in the next few days he's having a baby or something along those lines, so there's that going on behind the scenes.
Overall, I am really enjoying this Kickstarter and the day to day posts in this thread.
I don't follow there; they seem a lot less interesting and less fun to paint.
RiTides wrote: Since I'll be using these with nids, and might not use the facehugger models, having eggs without the facehuggers coming out of them works better for me.
Bleh, not this terrible reasoning again. :(
Rather than counts-as, I was more thinking along the lines of scenery like this. Entering a room that's full of eggs for that... "oh... gak" moment that ripley is experiencing, some of that induced by the Queens rapist breathing.
Also, did anybody back that Assimilation Alien Host kickstarter, and what the hell happened with that?
Bolognesus wrote: Don't forget how time-intensive and error-prone (two huge cost-risk factors!) order-pocking in volume can be on a one-time basis for companies who do not have a structure for such activities in place (and at least that last bit includes CMoN, lol ).
I agree the value isn't fantastic and I certainly will be going for (at least) one base game box instead, but I think they are trying to provide some level of service at least, without giving themselves a huge headache they obviously (and reasonably so) have little desire for.
I agree they are incentivizing game box pledges over and above the risk/cost factors mentioned but that's not only their bare prerogative, it's also quite understandablr as a way to get people to play an actual game (which they might buy more models for!) rather than just making a one-time purchase.
And let's be honest: with the way they're adding freebies the value, for decently cast (if not Mierce/McVey quality) resin is becoming rather good already, so this is more of a somewhat headache-inducing option for the odd man out among pledgers.
That they service those as well with a 'good enough' level shows a rather sensible commitment to customer service without hat being at the expense of good business sense, IMO.
I agree with you in terms of encouraging people to play their game, but disagree on the topic of it being a headache - not particularly more than the rest of the pledge levels anyway if you look at their freebie/add-on structure.
BrookM wrote: Regarding things not going so fast, Prodos did mention on Facebook that in the next few days he's having a baby or something along those lines, so there's that going on behind the scenes.
Overall, I am really enjoying this Kickstarter and the day to day posts in this thread.
For his family's sake, I hope that his wife isn't delivering the baby in Gunnison, Colorado.
Manchu wrote: Yes, despite the initial negativity, this KS is becoming a steadily sweeter deal. I especially like the choose-your-own upgrade rewards that are mixed with the facehuggers and bezerkers. This is perfect -- just contrast RiTides and myself, for example: RiTides is all about the Predalien but I want nothing to do with it. With this set-up, both parties win!
Agreed
Medium of Death wrote: Rather than counts-as, I was more thinking along the lines of scenery like this. Entering a room that's full of eggs for that... "oh... gak" moment that ripley is experiencing, some of that induced by the Queens rapist breathing.
Also, did anybody back that Assimilation Alien Host kickstarter, and what the hell happened with that?
Exactly! And as Manchu says, the two aren't mutually exclusive, but there are a lot of folks who liked closed eggs. Despite my earlier comment, my main reason for wanting them is just that I think they look cooler (for scenes such as you laid out).
Alien Assimilation Host- heck yeah I backed it! I even bought out someone else's pledge. I am down for 3 Queen pledges and 1 Host pledge on there, which is... well, quite a lot. Wave 1 is just about to ship and I plan to use those models for AdeptiCon this year (only counting on Wave 1, not anything else, before then). I think they'll mix in nicely with Prodos models once both are released, as well!
RiTides wrote: Yeah, I realized that but thought other folks might want to know about the option, too. I didn't go put them on the KS page or anything!
Besides, anyone who gets the above "alien birthing pods" will need a QUEEN from Prodos to go with 'em
I think he meant soas not to draw attention to them in case Fox brings the hammer down. But honestly, it's already a page back and Prodos has a LOT to worry about right now, so I don't think it should be much of an issue. Just wanted folks to know about the option here, and have a place to go back and remember it myself if needed!
BrookM wrote: Prodos did mention on Facebook that in the next few days he's having a baby
Prodos is only one person?
They've said they are 3 full-time employees, but I don't know if they do sculpting in-house or not so there may be more people than that involved in the project.
I think one of them primarily gives the communication / updates, and that that person also corresponds with who is having the baby (or rather, whose spouse is).
Sculpting does not seem to be in-house as per the earlier greens thread. Hope they train someone up on the business end of KS because it's a fragile thing to be open for business with nobody minding the counter. Emergencies happen and all but something like this can be planned for.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not especially concerned about the game Prodos is making, either. But what I do want to see is this particular IP done really, really well. As you say, people are interested in the IP first and foremost. What might work as Nids or in Infinity doesn't matter when it comes to what Prodos should be doing. Prodos should take what's in the franchise and do that really, really well. Dynamic egg sculpts with facehuggers jumping or climbing out is better for the franchise than generic eggs. That's what BrookM would call the wing-wong money shot. It's a key moment for the IP.
Of course, that's only assuming these options are mutually exclusive. Another set that is a closed egg only would not necessarily take up further resources as long as people were content to have double sculpt sets. I mean, there is no real reason to sculpt another closed or slightly opening egg.
Oh, I think closed eggs are also fairly iconic to the franchise - an option for each type would make perfect sense.
I know that last one is from Prometheus, but the point stands...
I think the timing has to do with the 25th anniversary of AvP next year, as BrookM mentioned- there were several other licenses given out almost simultaneously with this, so the timing may not have been in Prodos hands.
But I agree of course, however so far I have not had a problem getting answers to emails using the "contact us" button on Kickstarter, and even responses to my posts in the comments section there.
So, have we seen the actual alien warriors design yet? Or are Prodos going to Raging Heroes this out and delay any controversial news until after they have our money?
Hellfury wrote: I really hope there is a stretch goal that increases (read: improves) the model quantity of the base game. Not only for the kickstarter backers, but for the retail release as well.
I don't think they're going to go Raging Heroes on us, so far they've shown far more model-wise than RH has during their run, who aside from flustered posts about how blown away they were with the first day of running their campaign showed us diddly, squat and gak.
edit.
During their KS I mean, sure they're coming with stuff now..
Azazelx wrote: I think closed eggs are also fairly iconic to the franchise
Ehhhhh, the eggs are iconic because of what they do more than because of what they look like closed lined up in rows. (Compare to the much less successful jar image in Prometheus.) I grant that the egg chamber, especially regarding Ripley's threat and the Queen's understanding, is important. It conveys a grotesque, menacing sense of scale. Like I said, great for a diorama but not too sensible in a wargame.
Yeah, especially since in a meta sort of way, we know what the eggs do, removing a lot of the suspense, so they pose less of a threat really. Though they could make for fine objective markers in game, or something the Marines need to torch and the Preds need to secure for their future hunts.
BrookM wrote: Regarding things not going so fast, Prodos did mention on Facebook that in the next few days he's having a baby or something along those lines, so there's that going on behind the scenes.
Overall, I am really enjoying this Kickstarter and the day to day posts in this thread.
For his family's sake, I hope that his wife isn't delivering the baby in Gunnison, Colorado.
Azazelx wrote: I think closed eggs are also fairly iconic to the franchise
Ehhhhh, the eggs are iconic because of what they do more than because of what they look like closed lined up in rows. (Compare to the much less successful jar image in Prometheus.) I grant that the egg chamber, especially regarding Ripley's threat and the Queen's understanding, is important. It conveys a grotesque, menacing sense of scale. Like I said, great for a diorama but not too sensible in a wargame.
Are you talking about the scene near the end of Aliens, or another scene (perhaps in Aliens 3)? That scene in Aliens was by far my favorite of the first 2 movies . Newer movies could take a lesson... sometimes an absolute lack of dialogue in a well done scene can convey more than words are capable of.
BrookM wrote: Prodos did mention on Facebook that in the next few days he's having a baby
Prodos is only one person?
From what I remember after looking into them for the Warzone campaign there were three major players in the company but based on their names a couple were Polish (?) so depending on their language skills may not be ideally placed to be doing KS updates (they may have added more staff since then, but whether they'd be in a position to step in?)
richred_uk wrote: May already have been answered, but is there a way to get an extra Predator Berserker yet? I was looking at getting the 2 boxed set pledge (the £210 one - I forget the name) and splitting with a mate, but unsure as we'd both want the KS exclusive figure.
Would anyone (preferably in the US) like to work out a trade ahead of time for my 2 Predator Berserkers for 2 PredAliens? I'm hoping there's someone like richred looking for more of the Predator Berserkers (particularly because they're a KS exclusive, they might be more valuable later) and I'm looking for more PredAliens without having to use my add-on value. Win-win
After all, Predator Berserkers hunt in 3's right, so someone needs 3
BrookM wrote: "Roll a die for every air vent you pass, if you roll X, prepare for a face full of, well, you know.."
Spoiler:
That's a pretty good rule. I am really looking forward to a gameplay vid. I suspect they may have already made one but it entails sculpts that have not yet been unlocked (or maybe the wargame book).
Also, wow I had to know all of this to register over there
What was 'the company' known as in the Alien franchise? (Hint: W??????-Y?????):
What is the planet known as in Alien? (Hint: LV-???):
What were the tall humanoid creatures known as in Prometheus? (Hint: E????????):
Edit: Imposter, maybe we will! I'm certainly pledging for more "Alien Warriors" hoping they'll be more like that (and as they're an early goal, we should see an actual WIP model before the end, I think)
Not yet, Medium of Death. But they said they got the sculptor working on them as soon as the stretch was going to be met, so I hope we'll get to see something on them.
Cheers guys, just noticed you had answered before I'd posted, and again after.
Registering to that AVP Galaxy is a pain in the arse. It's having a problem with the word Engineer... and i'm getting less inclined to continue, in saying that I won't be beaten!
That might be my deciding factor... That and people to play this with.
To be fair, I think for a lot of people who have been waiting god-knows how many years for a decent set of miniatures for Aliens/Predator, the rules could be the worst ever written and it would still be lapped up.
@RiTides - those entry questions for the AvP site are hilarious!
Question, I'm pledged at the real aliens level where you get £105 in addons. Considering the Sergeant is £8.00 if we ended up with a few pounds leftover out of the £105 would we be allowed to add to it to use it up the leftover, say £2.00? This item is the only one that isn't £5.00, £10.00, £15.00 etc. so there would be some £ leftover. I hope I made sense.
Presumably there will be a post-campaign pledge manager, as is the general pattern for Kickstarter's with a wide variety of possible add-ons. This generally goes hand in hand with being able to commit further funds to the project as well (and can be remarkably lucrative for the creators; many won't use this additional funding for further stretch goals, and get a greater percentage of it; KS and Amazon take ~10%, Paypal is more like 3% and a paltry fee (30-50 cents?)).
Not to insinuate there's anything wrong with this state of affairs; that's just how it is. Some campaigns will allow post KS funds to count towards stretch goals, some don't, but I haven't seen many big gaming KS's with a dozen add ons that didn't let people top up their pledge. Hell, they'd be crazy not to.
Forar wrote: Presumably there will be a post-campaign pledge manager, as is the general pattern for Kickstarter's with a wide variety of possible add-ons. This generally goes hand in hand with being able to commit further funds to the project as well (and can be remarkably lucrative for the creators; many won't use this additional funding for further stretch goals, and get a greater percentage of it; KS and Amazon take ~10%, Paypal is more like 3% and a paltry fee (30-50 cents?)).
Not to insinuate there's anything wrong with this state of affairs; that's just how it is. Some campaigns will allow post KS funds to count towards stretch goals, some don't, but I haven't seen many big gaming KS's with a dozen add ons that didn't let people top up their pledge. Hell, they'd be crazy not to.
Thanks. This KS has somewhat confused me with the reserve of money within the pledge to be used for addons. I've never been in a KS that did this.
Mars Attacks did it. It had some confusion, but overall it was a pretty great idea. With a little refinement and very careful wording/presentation, I think its a fine way to give backers a flexible reward.
Has there been any news yet on what the next pledge target, the 'Resin mission markers' might entail?
Am thinking possibly sat-uplink, a face-hugger victim, perhaps even Newt?! Might well give us a hint at what is around the corner in terms of gameplay actually..
Slightly off topic but - I was looking at the Colonial Marine Technical manual and saw there are two different covers. Does anyone know what the difference is between them (apart from the cover art !).
Thanks
Nephilim
BrookM wrote: Yeah, especially since in a meta sort of way, we know what the eggs do, removing a lot of the suspense, so they pose less of a threat really. Though they could make for fine objective markers in game, or something the Marines need to torch and the Preds need to secure for their future hunts.
Or make a room full of them the marines have to get through, if they open fire / flame the eggs it alerts aliens, if they don't some face huggers could surprise attack them
or even put them around maps with the chance for huggers to jump out of.
So far I'm liking the kickstarter, but would like to also know more about the game itsef, even a demo game video so we can see how it plays. Also now I feel the need to get my modular bunker terrain done. 6x4 of LV-625 Goodness with long corridors lots of rooms, and many many vents.
Ok I've been looking at the KS page and I can't make heads nor tails of the pledge levels.
If I back at the "payback time" level and I pay 125GBP, then what does the "+60GBP of Add-ons" mean? Do I have to pay an extra 60 quid to get all the extras? I don't understand what they're telling me...
Then then what does that all have to do with the "Anytime" pledge?
The 'Payback Time' level gives you the boxset game at a discounted price of £65 (£10 off full price), then you get £60 credit whioch you can spend on any of the add-ons. After that you get the freebies which are currently; 6 facehuggers; 1x add-on of your choice; 1 x Predator Berserker; 1 x free model of your choice. Plus you'll get any further free add-ons as / when they are hit...
So all this for £125...
The 'Anytime' pledge is also a freebie and is simply the digital version of the rules...
Thinking that the Warmill range of buildings and such will g great in a tabletop war game of these figures as they have that Colonist look from Aliens about them.
That might be my deciding factor... That and people to play this with.
To be fair, I think for a lot of people who have been waiting god-knows how many years for a decent set of miniatures for Aliens/Predator, the rules could be the worst ever written and it would still be lapped up.
@RiTides - those entry questions for the AvP site are hilarious!
Rules don't really matter, play area does (because honestly I want a ziggurat style pyramid ala Necron Tomb Citadel board. But the biggest thing would be find people to play with.
What's the standard table size for Infinity? Will it not be roughly the same as that?
I think that Necron tile does look promising.
I think this might be good for a corner piece for a larger board. The lack of Imperial icons and general less gothic aesthetic really makes me think of the Aliens colony, or a possibly USMC outpost.
Ruglud wrote: The 'Payback Time' level gives you the boxset game at a discounted price of £65 (£10 off full price), then you get £60 credit whioch you can spend on any of the add-ons. After that you get the freebies which are currently; 6 facehuggers; 1x add-on of your choice; 1 x Predator Berserker; 1 x free model of your choice. Plus you'll get any further free add-ons as / when they are hit...
So all this for £125...
The 'Anytime' pledge is also a freebie and is simply the digital version of the rules...
Ok then. So let me see if I've got this straight.
Let's say I buy in at the Payback Time level, I would get... The AVP miniatures game. (Rule book, minis, dice, blah blah blah) A digital copy of the rule book (Anytime level pledge) x6 free face huggers x1 free berserker pred x1 free item (from which I can choose between a Predalien, Sentry Guns or a Hellhound) and then I'd also have 60GBP worth of credit that i could spend on things more facehuggers, various Xenomorphs, Female Pred, a marine sage, more cannon fodder colonial marines PLUS also one free model of choice. (Since the KS just hit 165k.)
Am I about right there?
EDIT- I realise now just re-reading your post I just copied exactly what you said..... Should have read it a few more times before hitting reply.
) to paint up for my nephew. Not sure though, international shipping would probably make it not worth the effort. Maybe on eBay after it's done.
