Pre-ordered (regular hardback) of Mark of Faith. Quite surprised it was still up for pre-order when I got home late last night, either they printed more copies or this one isn't as desired as Honourbound was earlier this year.
Also got heads up that my reprints are on their way, good times.
Having read Dan's interview in the most recent WD, looking forward to the Sabbat World Crusade. Never bothered with the first version as the photoshopped stuff really wasn't to my tastes.
edit.
Also, for those who collect these, the Siege of Terra site has uploaded the map for the third book, spoilered due to massive size:
I'm trying really hard not to be interested in it, because I just know it's going to be another low-stock gakshow for that and the map, and I probably won't be able to get either.
Just in time for Christmas. If the map is affordable enough I may have to get that one as well, as I personally really like the art style they've been using for their maps recently.
I don't think the book is limited, or at least, not SoB box limited. They did a coffee table book last year as well, so this may be their Christmas equivalent of Visons of Heresy for 2019. VoH is still available now I think.
The map I think is limited, and will no doubt be on Ebay UK for 3 times the price within minutes of pre-orders going live.
Did they say Liber Chaotica would be limited before it was released? I don't recall that, but I do recall having a couple of online preorders fall through and ending up just managing to get the last, full-price copy at the local GW of all places.
Just because a product is not explicitly marked as a limited release doesn't mean they won't burn through their initial print run and never bother to make another. If you want these background books, you have to buy them day of release and hope GW doesn't short wherever you order from.
If GW burns through the first order and doesn't order a reprint then, yeah that's basically the definition of a limited release. It just means that GW didn't number them or sign them or make them special like that; it just means that the stock was always limited.
It's a shame that BL does so many of those lore and art books as limited releases. I'd have loved the Eldar books they did a year or so back, but unless you've got the money on the pre-order day you've very little chance of getting hold of a copy. Libre Chaotica sold out fast and I only just grabbed a copy despite missing pre-order day.
It's a huge shame because they are often some of the best books; and you really can't get them digitally and get the same experience (heck GW doesn't even meet us half way and do digital versions of them).
Yodhrin wrote: Did they say Liber Chaotica would be limited before it was released? I don't recall that, but I do recall having a couple of online preorders fall through and ending up just managing to get the last, full-price copy at the local GW of all places.
Just because a product is not explicitly marked as a limited release doesn't mean they won't burn through their initial print run and never bother to make another. If you want these background books, you have to buy them day of release and hope GW doesn't short wherever you order from.
Was Liber Chaotica a straight reprint or was it a new version? This is supposed to be a new version, so you'd hope they keep it in print. We've all seen strange decisions from GW though.
The Sabbat source book is meant to be non limited, while the matching map is limited. However I'm expecting the same problem as Liber Chaotica, x number of copies printed and way more than that demand for the book. I suspect the map will be very limited and will sell out very quickly. Book was £40 at the weekender and the map was £35.
From what BL have said before, they have to order the books from China months in advance (like more than six months including shipping), so the quantity they purchase is based on guesswork (or as BL calls it, forecasting). Due to the delay to actually get more copies when it sells out they just don't bother as they assume everybody will have moved onto the next big shiny book.
Does anybody know when the next Primarch book is due? Its been a long time since the last announcement.
BrookM wrote: Having read Dan's interview in the most recent WD, looking forward to the Sabbat World Crusade. Never bothered with the first version as the photoshopped stuff really wasn't to my tastes.
edit.
Also, for those who collect these, the Siege of Terra site has uploaded the map for the third book, spoilered due to massive size:
Spoiler:
This map is all kinds of horrible for the price they are asking TBH.
Yodhrin wrote: Did they say Liber Chaotica would be limited before it was released? I don't recall that, but I do recall having a couple of online preorders fall through and ending up just managing to get the last, full-price copy at the local GW of all places.
Just because a product is not explicitly marked as a limited release doesn't mean they won't burn through their initial print run and never bother to make another. If you want these background books, you have to buy them day of release and hope GW doesn't short wherever you order from.
Was Liber Chaotica a straight reprint or was it a new version? This is supposed to be a new version, so you'd hope they keep it in print. We've all seen strange decisions from GW though.
It was a reprint, I don’t think there was anything new in it. That said, I’m not sure I get the logic of a new version being more important to keep in print than a reprint, when it came out god knows how many years ago originally and is ridiculously expensive on eBay.
Yodhrin wrote: Did they say Liber Chaotica would be limited before it was released? I don't recall that, but I do recall having a couple of online preorders fall through and ending up just managing to get the last, full-price copy at the local GW of all places.
Just because a product is not explicitly marked as a limited release doesn't mean they won't burn through their initial print run and never bother to make another. If you want these background books, you have to buy them day of release and hope GW doesn't short wherever you order from.
Was Liber Chaotica a straight reprint or was it a new version? This is supposed to be a new version, so you'd hope they keep it in print. We've all seen strange decisions from GW though.
It was a reprint, I don’t think there was anything new in it. That said, I’m not sure I get the logic of a new version being more important to keep in print than a reprint, when it came out god knows how many years ago originally and is ridiculously expensive on eBay.
My thinking is if someone has done work recently to add to it, then they may consider that good enough reason to keep it in print, at least for a while. I’d be pissed off if I was working on a book extensively overhauling it just for them to make 5 minutes of pre-orders worth of copies then it’s gone for good. This is of course GW who made 5 minutes of pre-orders worth of SoB boxes after making all new mounds for them.
Thats a nice map but I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of trying to buy online... If you want the special stuff, the only way to go is to get to the events.
GW definitely don't care about scalpers. They're making their money, and that's that.
Liber Chaotica sold out in weeks not minutes, but I’m pretty sure this will be 100 times more popular. Getting the map sadly will be a lottery with the filthy scalpers making a killing. GWs fear of carrying any stock, their lack of ability or desire to stop the scalpers and the utterly bonkers policy of selling large numbers of super popular limited editions at events that are attended by people who by and large live in one geographical location is kind of ruining the collecting bit of black library.
How can GW stop the scalpers? If they limit it to one per customer the scalpers just get more addresses and accounts. Furthermore the scalpers use ebay and facebook to sell on their product and GW can't touch them save to issue takedown orders if they use GW marketing photos.
This isn't like the ticket touts where they were buying all the ticket stock in seconds and then selling them on the ticket sellers resale website. GW doesn't benefit any more from the scalpers and might even benefit somewhat less if scalpers are cleaning off some of the hobby money from regular customers.
Stock holding fear might be a bit overblown at GW; however iwth regard to models I also think its linked to GW's production limitations. One factory underpowered by the local power grid; one new factory not yet online.
The main issue is the one-lump orders and then vanishing that's the issue. It would be better if GW were more open to doing re-runs - certainily of BL publications.
Overread wrote: The main issue is the one-lump orders and then vanishing that's the issue. It would be better if GW were more open to doing re-runs - certainily of BL publications.
They may still be traumatised by their leftover stock issues from decades ago. But doing more runs on books would be nice, the regular hardback print of Honourbound, selling out worldwide on day of release in February and not getting another physical release / restock until August comes to mind.
Overread wrote: How can GW stop the scalpers? If they limit it to one per customer the scalpers just get more addresses and accounts. Furthermore the scalpers use ebay and facebook to sell on their product and GW can't touch them save to issue takedown orders if they use GW marketing photos.
This isn't like the ticket touts where they were buying all the ticket stock in seconds and then selling them on the ticket sellers resale website. GW doesn't benefit any more from the scalpers and might even benefit somewhat less if scalpers are cleaning off some of the hobby money from regular customers.
You can cross check the cards, payment and delivery addresses so that one card, one address equals one purchase. It won't stop the dedicated scalpers but it would stop the majority. Many people have more than one payment method, but they all normally registered to the same payment address, so just limit by payment address.
Anyway, GW don't even care enough to stop the scalpers who buy tens of the same books at events, those guys are the same guys every time. GW like it because it transfers the stock from their risk to the scalpers.
Overread wrote: The main issue is the one-lump orders and then vanishing that's the issue. It would be better if GW were more open to doing re-runs - certainily of BL publications.
They may still be traumatised by their leftover stock issues from decades ago. But doing more runs on books would be nice, the regular hardback print of Honourbound, selling out worldwide on day of release in February and not getting another physical release / restock until August comes to mind.
That delay for Honourbound is down the printing and shipping options that BL choose. It is six months roughly from BL order to ready for customer delivery in the warehouse. GW do priority rush stuff now and again, but not for the bulk of their orders. GW would want to charge more if they used a quicker printer and shipping.
Overread wrote: How can GW stop the scalpers? If they limit it to one per customer the scalpers just get more addresses and accounts. Furthermore the scalpers use ebay and facebook to sell on their product and GW can't touch them save to issue takedown orders if they use GW marketing photos.
This isn't like the ticket touts where they were buying all the ticket stock in seconds and then selling them on the ticket sellers resale website. GW doesn't benefit any more from the scalpers and might even benefit somewhat less if scalpers are cleaning off some of the hobby money from regular customers.
Stock holding fear might be a bit overblown at GW; however iwth regard to models I also think its linked to GW's production limitations. One factory underpowered by the local power grid; one new factory not yet online.
The main issue is the one-lump orders and then vanishing that's the issue. It would be better if GW were more open to doing re-runs - certainily of BL publications.
How to stop scalpers? Easy enough - make more product after the first run sells out, and commit to doing so loudly and publicly. If they're really terrified of the idea that people have such short attention spans they'd stop caring about the books by the time a second run could be ordered in, do a real, actual, proper pre-order for the second run and get people's money up-front on the understanding it will take a few months to have the books made and shipped out. Or they could finally get a more stable relationship in place with a Print on Demand company and just start offering them through that - the slight premium would still be less than the margin demanded by the scalperscum.
I genuinely don't get why GW can't seem to maintain a partnership with a PoD supplier for more than five minutes. Hell, don't even do fancy versions, just go back to what they used to use years & years ago - "library bound" buckram hardcovers with simple heat-pressed foil lettering, and a dust jacket if they're feeling fancy. Some people even prefer that style, and there's a reason libraries use it - it's cheap without being rubbish.
Scalpers are very difficult to stop I agree, but efforts can be made to frustrate them, as others have pointed out. Solar war series collectors could have pre registered for the series. Committing up front for the series purchases.
As others have stated the carry on at events is like spitting in the face of fans. To put these very limited runs up for sale to a group who just happen to live locally to GW headquarters in advance is just insulting to everyone else.
Their fear of stock is historical and admittedly they got badly stung before with this and I do understand it. Hence more reason to put print runs of limited stock out for pre order to prior to the prints being run. If the can do it for the Bandai Space Marine they can do it for a book.
Compiling addresses is hard because many places can share the same address - such as a block of flats or even a housing estate where the only difference might be the house number and the name. That could be a scalper or it could be a small community that all has people playing the game.
If the only counter is to make product not limited then, of course, the scalper issue goes away entirely; however GW isn't likely to commit to that approach in the long term for their steeply discounted boxes. It doesn't benefit them to basically wash away regular sales with high discount boxes (though they might have been experimenting with that with Wrath and Rapture which is still in stock - however likely hindered by the fact that whilst they are both demon armies they are not able to take each other as allies directly).
Pre-registering might help but surely any scalper would just pre-register and be happy with that; if anything they are more likely to abuse such a system because to them its not hobby money but an investment. Plus GW is releasing stuff every week; they don't "want" to really start tieing up their customers wallets months in advance and then having more live releases that might not make good sales because everyone is spent out on something they don't yet have.
What would be interesting is an actual community survey that gets a rough idea how much stock scalpers actually have to shift (judging by ebay listings) and then compare that to numbers from GW on the actual volume of stock produced and shipped per region. However we are unlikely to get the latter numbers and the former is not totally accurate. It might be that the percentage of scalper sales is low, but it feels higher online where you get a glut of people who don't get a chance to get something complaining and where the only secondhand stock on sale soon after launch is often scalper (and certainly that hwich remains when they are sometimes charging near double the price on half a box)
Overread wrote: The main issue is the one-lump orders and then vanishing that's the issue. It would be better if GW were more open to doing re-runs - certainily of BL publications.
They may still be traumatised by their leftover stock issues from decades ago. But doing more runs on books would be nice, the regular hardback print of Honourbound, selling out worldwide on day of release in February and not getting another physical release / restock until August comes to mind.
They could certainly order more, but the 6 month turn around actually seems to fit well for the printing of hardbacks in China from what I know from other publishers getting stuff done there so that probably represents them ordering a second run as soon as the first sells out
You're talking like gw cares about where their income comes from.. They clearly don't, and I cant really blame them.
They know people are going to buy their stuff, even when they charge absurdly inflated prices, showing that they really aren't that interested in their customers.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: You're talking like gw cares about where their income comes from.. They clearly don't, and I cant really blame them.
They know people are going to buy their stuff, even when they charge absurdly inflated prices, showing that they really aren't that interested in their customers.
I'm not an economist. I'm not even a business person. I am a consumer though, and your statement brings to mind a conversation I had recently (on this forum) - you seem to take it as given that they can charge whatever they want, and people will pay. Well, the thing is, I won't. In fact, what I did is this - I found an alternate supplier - a "Grey" source, you might say, of GW goods - and I started buying from them instead. I buy a lot from them. I spend several hundred dollars a month, buying from this intermediate source. This is money that could be going to GW - but GW are going with the "They'll pay what we say they pay - MASSIVE MARGINS!" model of business. But this model is not getting my money - I'm giving my money to the "Alternate source - low labour cost, low material cost, low margin, high volume" model. So my question to you is, is the "They pay what we say, massive margins!" model really the best model for them? because it's cost them literally several thousand £/$/Yen from me over the past few years. Maybe it is, IDk, like I say I'm no economist.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: You're talking like gw cares about where their income comes from.. They clearly don't, and I cant really blame them.
They know people are going to buy their stuff, even when they charge absurdly inflated prices, showing that they really aren't that interested in their customers.
I'm not an economist. I'm not even a business person. I am a consumer though, and your statement brings to mind a conversation I had recently (on this forum) - you seem to take it as given that they can charge whatever they want, and people will pay. Well, the thing is, I won't. In fact, what I did is this - I found an alternate supplier - a "Grey" source, you might say, of GW goods - and I started buying from them instead. I buy a lot from them. I spend several hundred dollars a month, buying from this intermediate source. This is money that could be going to GW - but GW are going with the "They'll pay what we say they pay - MASSIVE MARGINS!" model of business. But this model is not getting my money - I'm giving my money to the "Alternate source - low labour cost, low material cost, low margin, high volume" model. So my question to you is, is the "They pay what we say, massive margins!" model really the best model for them? because it's cost them literally several thousand £/$/Yen from me over the past few years. Maybe it is, IDk, like I say I'm no economist.
If you're talking about copyright infringed models, it probably is the best method for GW, at least while they've got production issues. It sounds like they're running at absolute capacity and are still struggling to keep stuff on shelves. If you're talking about downloaded resource books, then you're downloaded PDF doesn't look nearly as pretty as an A4 hardback, even if the PDF is free.
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I've been excited for "The Court of the Blind King" since we got the cover art previewed way back when, but now I'm even more excited to know what madness lurks below!
Details about the Christmas book promotions and the Advent collection. In addition a note that the next Warhammer Adventures stories are delayed until next year and that the BL is no longer going to ship new prints through the Warp due to such delays.
Amazon was listing Warhammer Adventures #4 as 2020 when Secrets of the Tau was released. But it was nice of them not to tell us why its delayed now, months later I guess.
Is the Sabbat Worlds Crusade still going up next week? The regular Sunday preorder article just went live and it makes no mention of any BL stuff for next week.
BrookM wrote: Is the Sabbat Worlds Crusade still going up next week? The regular Sunday preorder article just went live and it makes no mention of any BL stuff for next week.
It’s pretty hit and miss whether black library stuff is mentioned in the preorder previews. None of the stuff that went up this weekend was in last Sunday’s.
BrookM wrote: Is the Sabbat Worlds Crusade still going up next week? The regular Sunday preorder article just went live and it makes no mention of any BL stuff for next week.
It sounds like it will be, and apparently there's some other swag!
BrookM wrote: The book itself is strangely absent from the list, but there's prices for both the pins and map now, thanks for that. Pins are affordable at least.
Because the book isn’t web store exclusive, I’m guessing.
I find the regimental badges a little frustrating. The idea is fantastic. It any regimental cap badges I’ve ever seen are brass or white metal in colour. Maybe coloured badges are an American thing? Not sure, but personally speaking I think these would have looked way better in an antique brass.
Yeah the yanks have coloured badges, but it's usually only special forces types who wear berets with coloured badges. Their cap badges are normally metal.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Yeah the yanks have coloured badges, but it's usually only special forces types who wear berets with coloured badges. Their cap badges are normally metal.
Hey now! Don't go whitewashing all of our military's headwear! The army and the Air Force love their adorable little berets with their colorful badges, and unfortunately it's way more pervasive than just special operations. They usually have some colored patch on the beret that the metal device goes on. The Navy and my beloved Corps just wear regular covers, regardless of job/role/specialty.
necrontyrOG wrote: Sabbat Worlds book is up for Pre-order this Saturday. Any word if it's a limited book at all? Just need to know if I have to be up early.
No word. It wasn't listed as "Webstore Exclusive" so probably not?
necrontyrOG wrote: Sabbat Worlds book is up for Pre-order this Saturday. Any word if it's a limited book at all? Just need to know if I have to be up early.
I imagine it’ll be like Liber Chaotica was. Not proper limited edition and there won’t be the usual rush, but seemingly just one print run.
The guard on the left n particular looks great, is he a Volpone Blueblood? I would love to see that in miniature form.
Spoiler:
I believe that's a Vitrian Dragoon. The ones described as having the glass like scale mail.
Cool beans! Thanks for letting me know. I definitely get a futuristic House Tully vibe given their armour. Looks fantastic. Them having fully enclosed helmets is just icing on the cake.
BrookM wrote: Is the Sabbat Worlds Crusade still going up next week? The regular Sunday preorder article just went live and it makes no mention of any BL stuff for next week.
It sounds like it will be, and apparently there's some other swag!
Glad to see the Pin set is fairly reasonably priced, and the coasters too. I'm assuming the dates mean order-able the 7th and released on the 14th?
I can see some of the Sabbat stuff is available on at least the NZ site (With the book sold out!), but not others like the UK. Is there a specific sort of time new things are put on the site?
Mentlegen324 wrote: I can see some of the Sabbat stuff is available on at least the NZ site (With the book sold out!), but not others like the UK. Is there a specific sort of time new things are put on the site?
Mentlegen324 wrote: I can see some of the Sabbat stuff is available on at least the NZ site (With the book sold out!), but not others like the UK. Is there a specific sort of time new things are put on the site?
Pre-orders always go up at 10am in whatever region you're in.
Map sold out in fifteen minutes but it looks like the rest is still there.
Arbitrator wrote: I considered grabbing it off Firestorm/Element Games, but the amount of Black Library stock independents get is always in question.
Aye, I was apparently the second person to get an order through online, but the online CS guy can't see how many folk placed a preorder in their physical stores and they're only getting five copies total. If all else fails I'll hopefully be able to get one at the local GW.
Arbitrator wrote: I considered grabbing it off Firestorm/Element Games, but the amount of Black Library stock independents get is always in question.
Aye, I was apparently the second person to get an order through online, but the online CS guy can't see how many folk placed a preorder in their physical stores and they're only getting five copies total. If all else fails I'll hopefully be able to get one at the local GW.
Jesus, I didn’t realise they were getting that few copies! Hopefully I was the first order through online. I was pretty rapid. (Not that I want to begrudge you yours).
Some new preorder dates have popped up on the preview page:
reds8n wrote: Read about half of the recent novellas, all been enjoyable so far.
The necron one is my current favourite , just works.
Having started on these as well, must agree, so far, by far the best one out of the bunch, it just works.
Also read Iron Resolve, which is pretty much Rorke's Drift, but in space. Isha's Lament was decent as well. On Wreck and Ruin now, have high hopes for this one, as I quite liked the other novellas and shorts by this author on Sisters.
Mentlegen324 wrote: I can see some of the Sabbat stuff is available on at least the NZ site (With the book sold out!), but not others like the UK. Is there a specific sort of time new things are put on the site?
Pre-orders always go up at 10am in whatever region you're in.
Map sold out in fifteen minutes but it looks like the rest is still there.
They have been going up about five minutes earlier in recent times. Always worth checking from about ten to.You can see I had my email from one minute to as I completed checkout about 5 minutes before.
I've only read the short story that started them off in the old Inferno reprints and darn it was fun and I'm sure I'd like it but I'm not investing in another long series for a bit (esp since you keep throwing more models at me). I've only just got part way through Gotrek and Felix!
.. so missed out on the MMPB version of Wolfsbane at my local store -- although did manage to pick up the next book ( Born of Flame) ..
.. emailed GW and it seems they are not restocking or reprinting wolfsbane -- in that format anyway, so gotta try and shop around.
It's understandable but, frankly, a royal PITA.
Anyone got/seen a copy on their store's shelves ?
Might be worth also checking your local Waterstones store as well. They'll possibly have it in stock or be able to get it from another one of their stores.
Welp, for once I managed to come out on top with these things - my order has been fully processed and is awaiting pickup, including the Sabbat book. Hopefully the fact it still seems to be up on the GW website(UK anyway) means everyone who ordered third-party will have a chance to get one in the end.
Their end of year Coffee Table type books do seem to last a bit longer than others. That said, I thought they'd broken that trend when they went unavailable. I'd still buy it soon if you want it badly though.
In the same situation, I usually preorder a few at the time and Wolfsbane is the one that never popped up over on Book Depository, but the Salamanders one did.
Kanluwen wrote: Got my copy of Sabbat Worlds Crusade...there's so much nice new art in here!
What's new is nice, but I'm disappointed by how much is reused Guard 'dex art we've seen for years.
Sure, but there's also stuff from the original Sabbat book.
I can't be upset over reused art. I just can't.
I'm fine with reused art from the last edition. If I had a gripe with it, it's that it shows the new stuff up massively. There's so much more 40k 'character' in the older pieces, a real grittity gothicness that is almost completely lost in the much flatter, brighter, digitally drawn pieces. Compare the old piece of Slaydo with Lord Executor Gaunt for instance.
What does disappointment is how about a quarter of the pages are given over to full page pieces of art from the codex. It's still nice art, sure, but we've seen it so many times that it felt more like fluffing the page count.
Just purchased the new Last Chancers e-book on the BL site, but unfortunately the download is actually the Warhammer Horrorl story The Oubliette. Be warned...
Volplones would be on the left here, grey armor, hellguns, shinny decorations on their capes.
Those are thankfully not Volpone (they look even more.. horrible!), but Urdeshi(?) infantry, who are on the same level as Tempestus Scions in terms of gear and training.
For those still hunting for a classic / mass paperback / legacy format of Wolfsbane, it's going to see a general release January next year alongside Slaves of Darkness:
Both are the same format, double checked this over at the Book Depository. Also pre-ordered Heralds of the Siege, bit early, still 94 days out as of typing this, but might as well do it now. With that, there's only two or three books left and I've got the entire regular (not counting novellas, audio dramas and other exclusives) on my shelf.
Best of all, despite being a massive CHONK of words and paper, goes for the same price as their regular hardbacks, great move on part of BL, as I was worried it would either be a limited edition thing or overly expensive due to sheer size of the thing.
Contents:
A Ghost Return
Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities
Vermilion Level
In Remembrance
Forgotten
The Iron Star
Ghosts and Bad Shadows
You Never Know
Family
Killbox
Pestilence
Master Imus’s Transgression
Regia Occulta
Missing in Action
Backcloth for a Crown Additional
The Strange Demise of Titus Endor
The Curiosity
Playing Patience
Thorn Wishes Talon
Gardens of Tycho
The Keeler Image
Perihelion
Blood Games
Misbegotten
Perpetual
The Lightning Tower
Meduson
Unmarked
Little Horus
Black Gold
The Fall of Malvolion
Ork Hunter
Midnight Rotation
Born to Us
Kill Hill
The Invitation
Eternal
Hey all, I asked this over on the BLFB page about the new Blood Angels Book The Darkness in the Blood but got no response.
Hi, I got this amazing set today as a present today and am unsure on what books to read before hand. Guy talks about being the third book in the Blood Angels series but can't find the list. He also mentions Mephiston as well, shall I read Dante and the Mephiston trilogy before this? I've already read The Devastation of Baal
Definitely read Dante 1st. It's a cracking book regardless. Then it's mephistons first 2, but I wasn't crazy on them. Darkness in the blood then the 3rd of mephistons which again wasn't great for me. YMMV
Overread wrote: I wish BL had a single store page on Amazon!
I keep the ones I'm interested in but have no immediate impulse to purchase in a 'GW Kindle' watchlist and take a dive in at least once a month. If they're part of the monthly deals, click away.
Alpharius wrote: There are more evil warlords then noble warriors?
That doesn’t seem right.
Still, hyperbole for the win!
Sign of the times my friend. Noble Warriors are a rare find amidst all the Reluctant Heroes, Desperate Saviours, Uncompromising Professionals and Conflicted Antiheroes.
Sounds like the sequel to Lords and Tyrants in as much as a series of short stories can have a sequel. I’m reading that at the moment, bought the hardback and left it on the shelf until last week.
Alpharius wrote: There are more evil warlords then noble warriors?
That doesn’t seem right.
Still, hyperbole for the win!
Sign of the times my friend. Noble Warriors are a rare find amidst all the Reluctant Heroes, Desperate Saviours, Uncompromising Professionals and Conflicted Antiheroes.
One of the best – and worst – things about being a Black Library fan is the release schedule; the excitement-building, wallet-breaking, never-ending stream of new novels, novellas, audio dramas, short stories, background books, art books, merchandise and all the rest. It’s brilliant because there’s never – EVER – a shortage of new content to read or listen to, but at the same time it’s tricky…in fact pretty much impossible…to keep on top of everything. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good problem to have, and I wouldn’t want Black Library to slow down too much, I don’t think!
One thing that would be nice, however, would be if BL provided a bit more up-front information about what’s coming out and when, to help us fans decide what we’re going to spend out hard-earned money on, and when we might need to save up a bit to prepare for busy release months or expensive individual releases. At the moment, it’s hard to keep track of upcoming BL releases – there’s the Coming Soon page on Warhammer Community but that has big gaps and isn’t updated very often; the occasional Warhammer Community article looking at previews/reveals from events like the Black Library Weekender; even the wider book trade, with websites like Amazon often updated with some information well in advance of books being published.
Wouldn’t it be great if there was ONE place you could check which consolidated all of that information, and clearly laid it out to help you plan ahead and decide what to buy and when? Well as it happens, I’ve been keeping pretty detailed information tracking BL’s upcoming releases (yes, I’m a massive nerd – but it helps me plan Track of Words content too!), and so I’ve put together a spreadsheet containing all of the information I can find. I’ve embedded it into this article, and I’ll endeavour to keep it as up to date as possible, so you can check back any time to see what’s coming up.
NOTE: it’s quite wide, so depending on what device you’re using you should be able to see at least the first couple of columns, but scroll right and you’ll get all the rest as well.
Here’s the spreadsheet:
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11th Sons of the Selenar Graham McNeill
Horus Heresy - The Siege of Terra
Novella LE hardback Surprise release
11th Void Stalker
Aaron Dembski-Bowden
40k - Night Lords Novel Audiobook Surprise release
11th Hammer of the Emperor *Various* 40k - Imperial Guard Omnibus Ebook Surprise release
The Hammer and the Eagle *Various* *Various* Anthology Paperback
Originally listed on WarCom for 11/01 - now TBC
18th Warcry *Various* Age of Sigmar - Warcry Anthology Paperback
18th Vaults of Terra: The Hollow Mountain Chris Wraight 40k - Inquisition Novel Paperback
18th Anarch Dan Abnett 40k - Gaunt's Ghosts Novel Paperback
25th Fist of the Imperium Andy Clark 40k - Space Marine Conquests Novel Paperback
25th Wolfsbane Guy Haley Horus Heresy Novel Paperback Mass market/small format
25th Slaves to Darkness John French Horus Heresy Novel Paperback Mass market/small format
February 2020
1st Knights of Macragge Nick Kyme 40k - Ultramarines Novel Paperback
1st Valdor: Birth of the Imperium Chris Wraight
Horus Heresy - Characters Series
Novel Hardback Previously available as LE hardback
1st The Oubliette JC Stearns Warhammer Horror Novel Hardback Already available in ebook only
1st Heroes of the Empire Chris Wraight Warhammer Chronicles Omnibus Paperback
8th Farsight: Empire of Lies Phil Kelly 40k - Tau Novel Hardback
29th Sepulturum Nick Kyme Warhammer Horror
Novel Hardback
29th Anathemas *Various* Warhammer Horror Anthology Paperback
TBC
Watchers of the Throne: The Regent's Shadow
Chris Wraight 40k - Custodes Novel Hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC Lion El'Jonson: Lord of the First David Guymer Horus Heresy - The Primarchs Novel LE hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC Oaths & Conquests *Various* Age of Sigmar Anthology Hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC Kal Jerico: Sinner's Bounty Josh Reynolds Necromunda Novel Hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC Horus Rising (Limited Edition) Dan Abnett Horus Heresy Novel LE hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC The First Wall Gav Thorpe
Horus Heresy - The Siege of Terra
Novel Hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC 13th Legion: 20th Anniversary Edition Gav Thorpe 40k - Last Chancers Novel Hardback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
TBC Helsreach
Aaron Dembski-Bowden
40k - Black Templars Novel Paperback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
BL Reader's Choice
TBC Iron Company Chris Wraight Warhammer Chronicles Novel Paperback Black Library Celebration - date TBC (15th?)
BL Reader's Choice
March 2020
7th Armageddon Saint Gav Thorpe 40k - Last Chancers Novel Hardback Already available in ebook only
7th Rites of Passage Mike Brooks 40k - Navigators Novel Paperback
7th Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work Guy Haley 40k - Adeptus Mechanicus Novel Paperback
21st Sagas of the Space Wolves *Various*
40k - Space Wolves Omnibus Paperback
21st Road to Redemption Mike Brooks Necromunda Novel Paperback
28th Beastgrave CL Werner Age of Sigmar - Underworlds Novel Paperback
28th Ghoulslayer Darius Hinks Age of Sigmar - Gotrek Novel Paperback
28th Heralds of the Siege *Various* Horus Heresy Anthology Paperback Mass market/small format
April 2020
4th The Lost and the Damned Guy Haley
Horus Heresy - The Siege of Terra
Novel Paperback Trade paperback
4th Inferno! Volume 5 *Various* *Various* Anthology Paperback
18th Warriors and Warlords *Various* 40k - Various Anthology Hardback
18th The Horusian Wars: Divination John French 40k - Horusian Wars Novel Paperback
TBC - revealed on WarCom or listed elsewhere online
TBC Astorath: Angel of Mercy Guy Haley 40k - Blood Angels Novel LE hardback
TBC Bloodlines Chris Wraight Warhammer Crime Novel TBC
TBC Cypher: An Audio Drama Boxed Set John French 40k - Cypher Audio drama 4-disc boxed set
TBC Daemonifuge: 20th Anniversary Edition Kev Walker 40k - Sisters of Battle
Graphic novel
TBC
TBC Death on the Pitch: Extra Time *Various* Blood Bowl Anthology Paperback
TBC Elves Omnibus Graham McNeill Warhammer Chronicles Omnibus Paperback
TBC Ephrael Stern: The Heretic Saint David Annandale 40k - Sisters of Battle Novel LE Mega Edition
TBC Fabius Bile: Manflayer Josh Reynolds 40k - Fabius Bile Novel TBC
TBC Lady of Sorrows CL Werner Age of Sigmar - Nighthaunt Novel TBC
TBC Masters of Shadow Thomas Parrott 40k - Space Marine Conquests Novel Paperback
TBC Saturnine Dan Abnett
Horus Heresy - The Siege of Terra
Novel LE hardback
TBC Scions of the Emperor *Various* Horus Heresy - The Primarchs Anthology Hardback
TBC Soulless Fury Will McDermott Necromunda Novel Paperback
TBC Space Wolves Audio Drama Boxed Set David Annandale 40k - Space Wolves Audio drama 4-disc boxed set
TBC The Horusian Wars: Incarnation John French 40k - Horusian Wars
Thanks for sharing. It is odd that Hammer and Eagle has been removed / pushed back, maybe too close to Dan's Lord of the Dark Millennium?
Aside from Inferno! #5 and it's reprints, only other thing I'm looking forward to on the list is Incarnation of the Covenant trilogy. Was hoping for another Agent of the Throne audio drama being announced as well, but alas.
I don't suppose an actual date for the Black Library celebration has been unveiled yet? I see 15th is listed as a tentative date, but would be nice to have an actual date, so I can try and get the day off then.
Just imagine that we had a section on the Black Library website that was updated monthly. The section would show all upcoming novels in their various formats. It would also show a short synopsis of the upcoming story. If we had something like that all the fans would be happy! It would be so popular only a fool would remove it from the website and replace it......
2019 was a brilliant year for BL fans and book releases. But it was badly soured by this stupid mistake.
Least its not as bad as Warhammer Art website which seems to have totally vanished from the community site links on the core GW site, but is still around and functional and selling art.
Knockagh wrote: I hope Warhammer art doesn’t vanish. I’ve bought 3 prints from them and they are fantastic. GW themselves have never been great sellers of their art.
Honestly I really wish they'd abandon the whole "art" angle and just go for some good honest posters and framed posters and such. The prices on their prints are eye-watering. But when they also limit each one to 250 units and most still haven't sold out I think they've just got the wrong angle on them. Instead of pricing them all as fine art they really should split it into higher priced art versions (bigger, framed, metal etc...) and then do more affordable options. Heck they already do loads of card inserts (which are nice but CAN get damaged in transport) and their art each year for store anniversaries. I think if they sold more as a general product people would be more keen to grab a framed version at a higher price when they've already enjoyed a cheaper poster which shows them the overall quality of the product.
Knockagh wrote: I hope Warhammer art doesn’t vanish. I’ve bought 3 prints from them and they are fantastic. GW themselves have never been great sellers of their art.
Honestly I really wish they'd abandon the whole "art" angle and just go for some good honest posters and framed posters and such. The prices on their prints are eye-watering. But when they also limit each one to 250 units and most still haven't sold out I think they've just got the wrong angle on them. Instead of pricing them all as fine art they really should split it into higher priced art versions (bigger, framed, metal etc...) and then do more affordable options. Heck they already do loads of card inserts (which are nice but CAN get damaged in transport) and their art each year for store anniversaries. I think if they sold more as a general product people would be more keen to grab a framed version at a higher price when they've already enjoyed a cheaper poster which shows them the overall quality of the product.
Agreed. Band posters are like 4 quid, but of course it's GW so they wouldn't cost that, but still, I'd pay ~20 quid for a good quality high resolution A3-size poster of, say, the 2nd ed Sisters of Battle codex cover art, or the Battlefleet Gothic box cover, some of Wayne England's stuff etc. But GW are fully wedded to their "always margin, never volume" strategy, so they'd rather not sell 250 expensive art prints than actually shift a few thousand only comparatively expensive posters.
The framed prints from WA are crazy money but they can all be bought unframed for £35. A local framer will do a lovely job on them and it will still be half the price of getting it framed directly.
A while ago BL did sell a3 prints on nice linen paper for £20 but they didn’t sell overly well and then BL changed the paper to standard paper and ruined them completely. It was around then WA came out.
By far the best value art was the advent calander. But it’s problem was you had to buy all 25! But they worked out at less than £4 per print.
What was the mystery print of the advent by the way? I liked some of them, but getting 25 posters and nothing having a wall to put them on was a bit much for me.
It was a foil print of inquisitor Astor Sabbathiel. It is incredibly cool. She was investigating the dark anglels in the comics. I’m pretty sure there is a book coming out based on her this year but I don’t know anything about the plot.
The print is very steampunky with the background covered in foil cogs. It certainly wasn’t what I was expecting. I was pretty sure it was going to be a comedy red gobbo but the inquisitor Sabbathiel was much better.
The whole calendar was brilliant. Didn’t sell well so I doubt it will be done again.
Sabbathiel is also featured in inferno book 4. It I haven’t read it yet.
I'd wager if they'd just put straight normal prints into it they'd have got more sales. The whole "some are cinema style" might sound neat, but I think many just didn't want to risk potentially "goofy" adaptations. Plus the price was pretty steep. I think some steep things like that, esp in support material, is harder for GW to shift now than in the past becuase they are putting out so many models at the same time.
Even if you don't collect a wide range of armies the continual new releases can encourage people growing other armies to dip into their pocket for more - to ease that spending hype that GW builds up around products.
Not sure why they're trying to make Sabbathiel a thing, but personally I find that rather disappointing. Then again, was not a fan of the character in the comics and the short story didn't much for me either.
Like I said Sabbathiel is getting a book this year, obviously it’s a promo. It’s up on the German Amazon site so probably coming some stage this year. It’s by George Mann.
I have no idea how a print at under £4 can be considered expensive. Especially when it’s so beautifully presented and of such quality. The movie posters were very cool but my favourite by far were the recruitment style propaganda posters.
I don’t collect miniatures, I only buy occasional ones to paint but it’s rare so I spend on books and other support material. I’m past the stage of playing many games. GW know there are plenty of folk like me and these items suit us far more than the latest mini release.
Looking forwards to finishing off the series and then, hopefully, maybe starting on the siege series in pprbck.
On a sidenote : over xmas/recently I read legacy of ash by Matt Ward.
If a bit of old school proper epic fantasy is what you are after then I can thoroughly recommend it indeed. Very satisfying and enjoyable, found it hard to put down at times.
A bit bizarre, but not too surprising, that book 50 is out in proper format, but we have to wait for 49 and 51, on the same future date. BL really couldn't get hammered in a brewery could they?
The Phazer wrote: I don't know how sustainable it is, but there's been an amazing run of cheap Amazon deals recently.
Due to a backlog of books/ audio books through Humble Bundles and so on, I find that I'm rarely buying titles on release. The most recent Gaunt's Ghosts books were an exception though.
As such, I really am saving a huge amount of cash at the moment as the backlog is getting bigger as I buy up more titles for £1.99. The fact that some of these are omnibus versions is even better. Last month it was collections 1 and 4 of the Gotrek and Felix books.
The Traitor Host of Horus Lupercal tightens its iron grip on the Palace of Terra, and one by one the walls and bastions begin to crumple and collapse. Rogal Dorn, Praetorian of Terra, redoubles his efforts to keep the relentless enemy at bay, but his forces are vastly outnumbered and hopelessly outgunned. Dorn simply cannot defend everything.
Any chance of survival now requires sacrifice, but what battles dare he lose so that others can be won? Is there one tactical stroke, one crucial combat, that could turn the tide forever and win the war outright?
Holy gak yeah. I really hope that's a direct sequel to the existing book, both because it would be cool to have the tale resolved, and because it'd be good to see more material about the Underhive and hardscrabble outlaws rather than the paramilitary House-war stuff.
"You’ll be able to delve into the under-empire of the skaven with a Print on Demand edition of the classic Warhammer Fantasy background book The Loathsome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin"
That's the Skaven equivalent of Libre Chaotica or the Sabbot Worlds book. FREAKING HECK YES. I sad that its not a long term reprint but if you get nothing else SKAVEN BOOK!
Does anyone know if there’s somewhere that has a listing of Black Library releases, in order by date (at least for the last few years, not necessarily all time).
Like a copy able one I can paste into a document to edit/cross off?
Though I only cover AoS and Old World not 40K stuff. Only because there's a huge amount of 40K stuff and I've really not dipped into it.
Mine are just ordered as they come on their site rather than in publication order. I've also left off short stories and novels that are included in collected editions for the Old World, so mine looks shorter, but only because its collated things to show them in an efficient manner (and because as I'm buying everything new anyway I like as not will always get collected rather than individual editions).
So all of the goodies (badges, minis and dice) will be available at official GW stores? If so, I have to start planning a trip to Warsaw or Helsinki...
All I need is to keep from spending my money this month so I can afford and justify the Skaven book. That is unless GW turns around and charges an insane amount for it (though fairs fair to them the last reprints and print on demands have been fairly priced).
I'm also wondering when the next Inferno reprint will appear (and I'm a touch worried as last time they bunched up around 10 books at once so it was a good £50 chunk all in one go )
My copy of Valdor arrived just now, same size as the Primarch hardbacks, so it'll fit nicely into that series of books for those who collect them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay, halfway through Valdor and so far, a good read with some very, very rewarding bits of fluff and whatnot in there. Minor spoilers and titbits in the tags, though most of it may be old fluff / stuff I missed in other novels I still need to read.
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Basically it's about the first Provost Marshal of the Imperium trying to find out what happened to the Thunder Warriors, straight from Valdor. This takes place not long after they've been mostly wiped out at mount Ararat and the Imperium is still secretly building up its first legions of Astartes.
Legiones Cataegis is the High Gothic name for the Thunder Warriors and back then they too were trained into certain types of warfare (though they also had predispositions towards certain aspects of warfare), the example given being the Fourth legion a.k.a. Iron Lords, who had a thing for siege warfare.
Thunder Warriors at war were monsters who lost all senses and became unstoppable murder machines that destroyed everything in their path. This, along with their unstable nature (exploding muscles, volatile blood, organs that eat you from the inside, insanity) and knowing it would happen to them all at some point, made them quite cavalier about death. They were also becoming a nation within a nation according to Valdor, another reason they needed to be wiped out.
What's also interesting is that the title "Primarch" was a title first used by the Thunder Warrior legions for their commanding officer.
The Adeptus Astartes get their name from the chief geneticist who masterminded the Primarch and Space Marine project: Amar Astarte.
When the Primarchs were whisked away by the gods of chaos, the entire Astartes program was almost destroyed in its entirety, with the Custodes racing to save as much genestock as possible from the chaos tainted dungeons, which explains why some Legions were so low on number / had genetic defects.
BrookM wrote: My copy of Valdor arrived just now, same size as the Primarch hardbacks, so it'll fit nicely into that series of books for those who collect them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay, halfway through Valdor and so far, a good read with some very, very rewarding bits of fluff and whatnot in there. Minor spoilers and titbits in the tags, though most of it may be old fluff / stuff I missed in other novels I still need to read.
Any ideas on what the cryptic first two or three pages were about? I haven't been keeping up with the HH books for several years now and was clueless. Also, I was hoping for a bit more info on Valdor himself and his early years which were hinted at peripherally but never actually explored. I found that strange given the title/focus of the book. I did appreciate the info we got on
The second Ciaphas Cain book too (Defender of the Imperium) - I think it was books one and three last month. And Titanicus.
It just seems funny that some of these other sale deals do not seem to appear under the Kindle Monthly deals listing.
Looks like the best thing is just to review my 'GW Kindle' wish list every month and see what has been reduced.
Seeing as I now have quite the backlog including the omnibus Cain, Eisenhorn, Night Lords, Priests of Mars books as well as a fair few singles via these deals and Humble Bundles, I can play the long game.
At the moment I'm enjoying my way through Honourbound from the latest Humble Bundle.
Hopefully the Ventris collections come up. I need a reason to clear out all my physical books to make space for more models.
Do note that Amazon does a LOT of price shifting even down to the individual person level. Ergo sometimes you see a deal others don't; or its done in blocks etc... It's a means by which they can take a whole product block and discount bits of it at random to generate targeted sales rather than discount a lot of things to the whole market.
The idea being that you get a cheap book and then you're more likely to remain loyal and spend even more on other stuff (esp sequels and such in the same series)
Overread wrote: Do note that Amazon does a LOT of price shifting even down to the individual person level. Ergo sometimes you see a deal others don't; or its done in blocks etc... It's a means by which they can take a whole product block and discount bits of it at random to generate targeted sales rather than discount a lot of things to the whole market.
The idea being that you get a cheap book and then you're more likely to remain loyal and spend even more on other stuff (esp sequels and such in the same series)
They know what they're doing. Amazon has got me to spend £5.97 on the three Cain collections when I would have gone without and spent nothing if they'd remained at £14.99 or whatever individually.
I can play the long game for now. With 20 or so novels to get through, I won't be considering buying at full price for some time.
What I’m hearing is I should make an Amazon wish list of anything I haven’t read, and then just see if anything goes down cheap for me and get if so..
Not that I don’t have a stack/eStack of 40-50 Black Library Novels in waiting, let alone other fiction..
But still
Danny76 wrote: What I’m hearing is I should make an Amazon wish list of anything I haven’t read, and then just see if anything goes down cheap for me and get if so..
Not that I don’t have a stack/eStack of 40-50 Black Library Novels in waiting, let alone other fiction..
But still
Overread wrote: Do note that Amazon does a LOT of price shifting even down to the individual person level. Ergo sometimes you see a deal others don't; or its done in blocks etc... It's a means by which they can take a whole product block and discount bits of it at random to generate targeted sales rather than discount a lot of things to the whole market.
The idea being that you get a cheap book and then you're more likely to remain loyal and spend even more on other stuff (esp sequels and such in the same series)
Do they really? Just I've never seen anyone post a deal on here and someone else go "it's more expensive for me". At least in terms of Kindle stuff it's presumably tricky as surely they can't sell it cheap without the publisher's permission (as they don't actually own any stock of ebooks, they just pay publishers a percentage of what they sell).
Yeah but they have different agreements for sale and some let Amazon have more flexibility with sale periods than others. So under some an author might retain full control, under others Amazon might set its own sale periods.
I believe Amazon also advises sale periods as well and such.
It didn't get mentioned on Warhammer Community that I saw (there was a lot of big news this week), but Voice of Experience dropped this week for Digital Monday. (Kind of a t'au/human buddy-cop story set on a space station that's been absorbed as part of the Fifth Sphere of Expansion.) It's been getting a pretty positive reception.
Last year at GW stores you'd get the free novella, postcard sized art cards and a selection of cheapo pin badges, both sets depicting the books on (re-)release that weekend, so probably the same again this year.
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Last year's free swag, this'll probably be posted a week before the event on various social media pages of participating stores:
BrookM wrote: Last year at GW stores you'd get the free novella, postcard sized art cards and a selection of cheapo pin badges, both sets depicting the books on (re-)release that weekend, so probably the same again this year.
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Last year's free swag, this'll probably be posted a week before the event on various social media pages of participating stores:
I got a leaflet for the event from my local GW, and along with the already talked about stuff like the books, badges and the Models, there's what appear to be 2 bookmarks and one of those wristband things, but I've not seen any mention of those anywhere else. I hope those aren't what the extras are compared to badges and art cards last year had.
I'm guessing there's still no mention of any free art cards or badges like last year, then? A shame if so as a few events have had art cards over the past year or two, thought they'd have them again.
Either later this week, at the latest on Friday. I'm keeping an eye on my local GW store's Facebook page, just in case they share something but I kinda doubt it, as they see books as something they shouldn't bother all that much with in the first place.
GW appears to have forgotten to mention the new book and subscription for the stories for the week. Also am I right that there's no confirmation yet of the stories in the free printed book that they are giving away for online orders/in shop? Ergo if they are repeat stories or unique to that book (thus two sets of short stories from the week).
I'm a bit unsure as to what the actual exclusives are for the day. Obviously there's the books that specifically mention being for the day on the cover and once those are sold out they're gone, but I don't know if anything else is for that one day only. Last year I thought the Sister Superior was a limited item but it seems that turned out to just be a normal thing that's still available.
Mentlegen324 wrote: I'm a bit unsure as to what the actual exclusives are for the day. Obviously there's the books that specifically mention being for the day on the cover and once those are sold out they're gone, but I don't know if anything else is for that one day only. Last year I thought the Sister Superior was a limited item but it seems that turned out to just be a normal thing that's still available.
There's a print on demand Skaven Lord book from the Old World setting (which considering Skaven basically catapulted their main city into the underside of the Realms means its mostly pretty accurate for them even now). I'd expect that to last for perhaps a week on order and then vanish. Though as its print on demand, at least it won't run out of stock.
I believe there's also Sabbat Worlds Crusade lore books translated into German/French.
There's two characters up for grabs too, though no idea if they will be short or long term
I think a lot of the exclusives tend to be things like hardback books sold until they run out of stock.
The characters will be permanent additions to the store. Chances are they'll sell out on the day itself and be out of stock for quite some time to come, but they will make a return, just like the previous BL day exclusive minis.
Asked my local store on Facebook about if there was any free stuff along the lines of the Art Cards or button badges of last year, and they said the Bookmark and wristband are instead of those this year...Free stuff is still nice, but yeah, that's quite a bit of a downgrade I think...
Well based on comparing products from NZ to UK, looks like Loathsome Ratmen will be about 15 quid, which means deffo a softcover.
I'm kind of hesitant to buy it now - cheap(by GW standards) print on demand softcover means it'll probably be perfect-bound(ie, loose individual pages stuck together with glue), so I doubt it'll last very long if you actually read it more than once and as a cheap softcover it's not really fancy-lookin' shelf material either.
What's galling to me is this kind of thing is exactly where I want to spend the extra for hardcover with proper binding and fancy faux-leather with foil lettering, so it'll last decades and look nice when I'm not reading it, but GW seem insistent that they're only going to bring back these classic background books for a new print run in the cheapest & lowest effort way they can get away with.
I'd even happily wait longer to get the book if they did a proper preorder for a fresh run of quality hardbacks.
Yodhrin wrote: Well based on comparing products from NZ to UK, looks like Loathsome Ratmen will be about 15 quid, which means deffo a softcover.
I'm kind of hesitant to buy it now - cheap(by GW standards) print on demand softcover means it'll probably be perfect-bound(ie, loose individual pages stuck together with glue), so I doubt it'll last very long if you actually read it more than once and as a cheap softcover it's not really fancy-lookin' shelf material either.
What's galling to me is this kind of thing is exactly where I want to spend the extra for hardcover with proper binding and fancy faux-leather with foil lettering, so it'll last decades and look nice when I'm not reading it, but GW seem insistent that they're only going to bring back these classic background books for a new print run in the cheapest & lowest effort way they can get away with.
I'd even happily wait longer to get the book if they did a proper preorder for a fresh run of quality hardbacks.
Unfortunately you’re about 15 years to late for the limited edition hardback. Keep your eyes open I bet there’s going to be a reprint of the Vampire Counts Liber Necris book out soon.
Yodhrin wrote: Well based on comparing products from NZ to UK, looks like Loathsome Ratmen will be about 15 quid, which means deffo a softcover.
I'm kind of hesitant to buy it now - cheap(by GW standards) print on demand softcover means it'll probably be perfect-bound(ie, loose individual pages stuck together with glue), so I doubt it'll last very long if you actually read it more than once and as a cheap softcover it's not really fancy-lookin' shelf material either.
What's galling to me is this kind of thing is exactly where I want to spend the extra for hardcover with proper binding and fancy faux-leather with foil lettering, so it'll last decades and look nice when I'm not reading it, but GW seem insistent that they're only going to bring back these classic background books for a new print run in the cheapest & lowest effort way they can get away with.
I'd even happily wait longer to get the book if they did a proper preorder for a fresh run of quality hardbacks.
Unfortunately you’re about 15 years to late for the limited edition hardback. Keep your eyes open I bet there’s going to be a reprint of the Vampire Counts Liber Necris book out soon.
I don't want "limited edition" anything either. There's a middle ground where they just make a nice, basic hardback with a foil-stamped faux-leather cover for these kinds of books - neither cheap tat, nor hideously expensive and extremely limited availability.
What you’re describing is GW standards for a limited edition codex. In most cases GW and BL have a foil-stamped, faux-leather bond, hardback limited edition and or a normal hardback first print, then a later soft print edition either perfect or burst bond. After those sell out and if they deem demand if high enough there might be a perfect bond print on demand edition.
We’ll have to see what the next print run of the Sabbat Worlds Crusade book is going to look like. Will it keep the all of the hard cover, foil stamping, edge gilding, and ribbon divider like most limited editions or will it have less?
As for this book I haven’t decided if I’m going to get it. I got a copy of both the limited and soft bond when they were first released, but I kind of like this Jim Henson Dark Crystal style cover.
Forsaken by Danie Ware (Sisters of Battle)
Dead Drop by Mike Brooks (Necromunda)
The Garden of Mortal Delights by Robert Rath (Age of Sigmar)
Heart of the Fallen by Sarah Cawkwell (Age of Sigmar)
Bringer of Sorrow by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (Horus Heresy)
The Hunt by David Annandale (Warhammer Horror)
Also, gifts instore are a simple bookmark showing Valerian on one side, Aleya on the other and a rubber wristband with the Custodes and Sisters of Silence symbols on it.
I love nice limited editions of books. And at the risk of some Games Workshop higher up seeing this, the Black Library ones are cheap in comparison to other deluxe editions I see. I wanted a copy of The Scarlet Gospels by Clive Barker but the £400 price tag cooled me off somewhat.
Erren wrote: I can’t tell any more - what exactly is exclusive to Warhammer physical stores and what’s going up on the website?
Far as I can tell store exclusive is a bookmark and wristband. Everything else is sold online as well.
Of course for products of fixed limited stock with no recast/print (like the special edition books); online might run out of stock whilst some retailers might still hold physical stock. So its worth calling around if you want something specific.
Smaug wrote: What you’re describing is GW standards for a limited edition codex. In most cases GW and BL have a foil-stamped, faux-leather bond, hardback limited edition and or a normal hardback first print, then a later soft print edition either perfect or burst bond. After those sell out and if they deem demand if high enough there might be a perfect bond print on demand edition.
We’ll have to see what the next print run of the Sabbat Worlds Crusade book is going to look like. Will it keep the all of the hard cover, foil stamping, edge gilding, and ribbon divider like most limited editions or will it have less?
As for this book I haven’t decided if I’m going to get it. I got a copy of both the limited and soft bond when they were first released, but I kind of like this Jim Henson Dark Crystal style cover.
Yeah, I don't care what GW standards are, I'm talking about what I'd like to see, and my opinions on "limited edition" guff aren't a secret(they're not positive, you'll be shocked to learn).
GW as a company seem to have largely missed the point of PoD as a concept - they treat it like their "made to order" thing, a very short-term preorder for a single run of product. What it's meant to offer is a way for individual customers to pay a modest premium for access to a product when it's convenient for them to purchase it, and there's no reason at all it can't be done for "fancy" versions save for GW's own fetish for artificial scarcity and their desperate desire to be seen as making "collectibles" rather than products.
Worked my way through the First Wall, it was decent enough and one of the arcs ended with a nice little twist. Any word on when Saturnine will be made available to us?
I hope Anathemas is better than Invocations. I didn't really enjoy much from it. The Oubliette was decent, probably the best Warhammer Horror novel I've read.
I finished The Regents Shadow last night. It’s been a while since I read the Emperors Legion, but I this one was even better than I remember that one being, and I know I loved that when I read it. Really good 40k politics.
The Oubliette was predictable in the end, won me a nice bet to boot! But it was a decent enough read.
As for Anathemas, I hope we don't get more Valgaast (or however it is spelled) stuff shoehorned in there, stop making it a thing BL.
Going to start on Regent's Shadow tonight, been re-reading the first book in the days leading up to the weekender, I've got high hopes for this one as I quite liked it, especially as a counterpart to the Vaults of Terra series running alongside it.
Is Valgaast the place in House of Night and Chain? That was a terrible book, and all the accompanying stories in Invocations were just garbage. I would also like to see the back of it.
I finished Knights of Macragge last night, which I quite enjoyed. It started very well and had a bit of a rough patch partway through, but it’s decent. Undecided on part 2 of Carrion Throne or Valdor next.
Yeah, didn't like Night and Chain either, not sure why they keep dropping references and mentions to Valgaast in most 40k horror books, but it's something I could do without. I much more liked the subtle reference to the flects from Ravenor in Oubliette.
Could do with another Warhammer Horror audio drama as well.
BrookM wrote: Yeah, didn't like Night and Chain either,
I actually enjoyed it, though it was the audiobook version. I tend to like my horror that way, as its more obvious when things are getting tense and such.
I doubt I would have enjoyed it as much as a regular book, to be fair.
Forsaken by Danie Ware (Sisters of Battle)
Dead Drop by Mike Brooks (Necromunda)
The Garden of Mortal Delights by Robert Rath (Age of Sigmar)
Heart of the Fallen by Sarah Cawkwell (Age of Sigmar)
Bringer of Sorrow by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (Horus Heresy)
The Hunt by David Annandale (Warhammer Horror)
Also, gifts instore are a simple bookmark showing Valerian on one side, Aleya on the other and a rubber wristband with the Custodes and Sisters of Silence symbols on it.
Anyone know what the subject of the ADB story is? (More Night Lords please).
Anyone know what the subject of the ADB story is? (More Night Lords please).
From the back of the booklet:
"The webway war is over, the Blood Angels have arrived on Terra and preparations for the final battle have begun. But can Arkhan Land solve a problem and fix the issues that stop the Blood angel Zephon from fighting alongisde his brothers once more?"
Anyone know what the subject of the ADB story is? (More Night Lords please).
From the back of the booklet:
"The webway war is over, the Blood Angels have arrived on Terra and preparations for the final battle have begun. But can Arkhan Land solve a problem and fix the issues that stop the Blood angel Zephon from fighting alongisde his brothers once more?"
That they're focusing in on a single Hive World for all the stories(announced so far anyway) is interesting - with luck, it will have nothing to do with the 40K metaplot at all and I'll have a regular flow of novels to buy. Not usually much for audio dramas myself, but Baggit & Clodde sound like a potentially fun duo, I might have a crack at that one.
CONTENTS
A Threnody for Kolchev by Darius Hinks
Vox Daemonicus by James Forster
The Thing in the Woods by Paul Kearney
Hab Fever Lockdown by Justin D Hill
Voices in the Glass by Richard Strachan
Skin Man by Tim Waggoner
These Hands, These Wings by Lora Gray
A Deep and Steady Tread by David Annandale
Mud and Mist by John Goodrich
Suffer the Vision by Jake Ozga
The Funeral by Darius Hinks
The Shadow Crown by C L Werner
Runner by Alan Bao Miracles by Nicholas Wolf
shadowsfm wrote: in regards to warhammer crime, i don't understand why they don't just tie that into necromunda, instead of creating an entirely new world
I see your point, as Necromunda is a known quantity and a beloved setting, but on the other hand, they have a new canvas to paint a picture on with a new world. Tons of more options.
Necromunda has a very particular approach to law enforcement and societal morality. So much that would be considered traditional crime is considered just the normal ebb and flow of life in necromunda. The complexity of it all would make a series on crime very complicated. The relaxed attitude to gang war is precisely why the gang setting works well and a crime/investigative setting wouldn’t.
Anyway the imperium is massive, why wouldn’t you take the opportunity of a new series to explore the unknown?
Necromunda has tiers, but a lot of the crime within it would end up being gang related. It would start out basically slaving almost every story to the various gangs and that also means gang warfare most times.
So whilst it could certainly work, it would hobble the new idea a little. Rather than a new "Crime" IP it would be closer to just a twist on existing Necromunda stories.
So yeah I think moving to another world with a different set of values and policing and population really opens it up for the authors to craft a world that works for them
Yeah necromunda is just gang stuff. Hopefully crime will open up some new areas, filling the gap between, gang warfare, and inquisitorially investigated cult/xenos/daemon stuff.
A few months ago, when we announced Graham McNeill’s Siege of Terra novella Sons of the Selenar, we hinted that it was just the first in a series of such novellas that would be released between the eight novels that comprise the main story. Now, we can announce the second…
ury of Magnus, also by Graham McNeill, will delve into the shattered psyche of the Crimson King as he faces a very personal challenge on the Throneworld. Here’s Black Library’s Nick Kyme to tell us more.
Nick: Fury of Magnus takes place during the Siege of Terra itself and is principally concerned with the machinations of the primarch of the Thousand Sons, Magnus the Red. The events sit between Siege of Terra book four, Saturnine and book five, [REDACTED].
As the siege rages, Magnus has his own agenda – he is looking for the missing piece of his soul and believes that it’s on Terra, inside the Palace. It’s a personal story, focused on Magnus and the Thousand Sons, as well as a cadre of Space Wolves and Salamanders who have appeared as major characters in previous Horus Heresy novels.
It’s very much a story of Magnus figuring out, once and for all, whose side he is on. It’s his last chance to turn back and embrace the Emperor again.
This is a book of huge sweeping spectacle, but also more intimate moments. The emotional resonance Graham has managed to incorporate in the novel between the major characters is deep and strikes a powerful chord.
Thanks, Nick!
Like the rest of the Siege of Terra series, Fury of Magnus will be available first as a limited edition hardback. As with all the limited editions from the series, it will include character busts, illustrations and an extended afterword by the author which delves into the themes and writing of the novella. You’ll be able to pre-order this exclusively from the Games Workshop webstore on Saturday 22nd August. It’ll sell out fast, so set yourself a reminder now… Hardback, eBook and MP3 audiobook editions will follow in November.
If you want to read some Siege of Terra right now, you can order the first three novels in the series – The Solar War, The Lost and the Damned and The First Wall – right now. Get reading today to be ready for Fury of Magnus when it hits shelves later in the year.
well.. bit...uh huh about yet another limited edition -- but cannot really moan about the length of the heads up concerning it -- who knows might even have been able to start on the actual siege series if the MMPB of the origianl series are done by then,
At least these are non-essential to the main eight books, hopefully. Curious to see if this will have the usual messing about with timelines and whatnot.
Did preorder the last two legacy format novels, so later this year I'll at least have the entire Horus Heresy saga in my grasp, ignoring the eshorts, quick reads and audio dramas that are also out there.
I would imagine we will end up with two anthologies as part of the series then, perhaps released between books 7 and 8. There's a bunch of leftover Horus Heresy stuff too so possibly even another book in the old series, or a prequel one. Can't imagine they're stop the "everything compiled eventually" approach at this point.
WARNING REMINDER - today is the last day to get the The Loathsome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin with print on demand form GW.
It's the definitive lore book for all things Skaven - chock full of mad rat science and artwork. A fanatic resource for any Old World or Age of Sigmar Skaven fan or if you're just a love of GW's lore and artwork.
Five years ago I would have jumped on this. If there were no manipulative time pressure, I’d put it at the top of the Christmas list. But this release? Screw it. GW just gave me another reason to walk away from their products.
So did anybody get any advance warning that book 4 of siege of terra was going to up for pre-order today? I have been reading all my news letter very carefully after missing book 3 and the first novella, now again out of nowhere book 4 is up for preorder, but ofc by the time I found out it was already sold out... so pissed off atm how hard is it to lets us know ahead of time.
MoD_Legion wrote: So did anybody get any advance warning that book 4 of siege of terra was going to up for pre-order today? I have been reading all my news letter very carefully after missing book 3 and the first novella, now again out of nowhere book 4 is up for preorder, but ofc by the time I found out it was already sold out... so pissed off atm how hard is it to lets us know ahead of time.
Well great, so now you have to read every single article for this information as well? I'm pretty positive it wasn't in the actual email they send :-/.
[edit[ yeah just looked through all the news letters from the last couple of weeks, 0 mention. This is so annoying as the only way of getting it now is getting scalped on ebay :( [/edit]
Yeah, I was lucky I saw that tbh. It's nuts that there's not just a central source of this and that the BL newsletter doesn't go out saying "this book will be available to pre-order next week."
The artificial scarcity of these limited edition novels is annoying. I’m sure they could sell several times to numbers of books if only they’d make them.
The Phazer wrote: Commiserations to those who didn't get theirs, the scalping on these is ludicrous. I had to get the last one on ebay.
I missed book 3 already, so was paying close attention to every single email I got from GW/BL, didnt help though
The emails from GW are next to useless. You just know as well that this evening Warhammer Community will publish their “Preorder Now” article telling you that the next Siege of Terra book is on sale despite it selling out hours ago. The only reliable way to keep on top of GW/BL releases is the “Next Week’s Preorders” article that gets posted on Warhammer Community on Sunday evening UK time.
Managed to get one of these. Only one of these I’ve had to buy from eBay has been the Horus Rising one that if I wanted to pay regular price for I would of had to pay someone to run my business for the weekend, buy a plane ticket, book a hotel and buy a ticket for BL live. So £100 on eBay was a bargain (bit of a stretch I know but I have to live with myself some how).
General consensus in the UK is that the Saturday morning email from BL seemed to arrive about 8 minutes past 10, a mere 2 minutes after the book had sold out on the webstore.
Gather the paucity of availability of these releases was raised at the last BL event, short answer is they will not be increasing the numbers printed for future releases of this series as they will not -- cannot ? -- reprint the earlier ones and they dont feel they'll sell more than those as people will only buy them if they already have them.
...*shrugs*..
Given I've seen 'grabs of people on e-bay selling up to 8 copies of this book.. well...
has a short and fairly spoiler free mini interview with Mr Abnett about the book/story.
ToW: What was your preparation for this book like? How much research did you have to do in order to make sure you had all of the details right?
DA: I did a vast amount – more than any planning and research I’ve ever done for a project. For example, I had to map the Palace. I actually spent a long time mapping everything out, for my benefit and for the benefit of the writing team, consolidating locations. My map is now the ‘standard map’ we all work off. You have to remember, the series is a team effort, written by a “writer’s room”. The Heresy series always has been, but with the Siege it’s become even more intense: we meet regularly, and we share our work in progress, and we brainstorm, and we check each other for errors and oversights.
It’s a wonderful and refreshingly exciting collaborative effort, a real change from the usual ‘solo life’ of an author. During Saturnine, I had an ongoing email thread with the editor and the other writers: we conversed every day (I also Skyped with different authors to benefit from different areas of expertise). I used the ongoing thread to ask questions and bounce ideas. I also kept a print-out of the thread for reference, and by the end it had run to 150 pages (printed two-up). I also accumulated a stack of reference books that took six trips to remove from my office at the end. A HUGE amount of research and reference.
Part of me thinks that exchange of mails would -- largely -- be a fascinating glimpse into the thinking behind things here , although more realistically one suspects it probably wouldn't be all that TBH
But on a kinda related note, Mr McNeill put up a picture to do with his thoughts on "The Crimson King"
They moved the release date back by a month or so due to it coinciding with the BL Weekender IIRC. I've also had it on my shelf for more than a month now, courtesy of the Book Depository.
ImAGeek wrote: I finished The Regents Shadow last night. It’s been a while since I read the Emperors Legion, but I this one was even better than I remember that one being, and I know I loved that when I read it. Really good 40k politics.
Finally managed to wrap it up and I find myself in agreement. It had a nice twist in there and the final act when everything came together was nicely pulled off as well.
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These are full and unabridged audio versions of some of Black Library’s finest novels – starting this week with Dan Abnett’s I Am Slaughter. This is the first volume in The Beast Arises series, which sees the Imperium wracked by a massive ork invasion 1,500 years after the Horus Heresy. With over five hours of intense action written by the master of war and starring the Imperial Fists, this is a great way to pass the time – perhaps during a marathon painting session!
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Overread wrote: Note they are pushing their app, but its also a straight £0.99 on their main BL website as a download as well. As well as the ebook version too
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At the moment the plan is for these books to be shipped out to you as soon as we can, just as soon as we get the all clear from the government that our staff can return to work safely.
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It’s the 99p offer for this week.
Anyone read it, is it worth a go?
I’ve gotten it anyway, but it may make a difference where it gets placed in the Audio Queue..
ImAGeek wrote: I finished The Regents Shadow last night. It’s been a while since I read the Emperors Legion, but I this one was even better than I remember that one being, and I know I loved that when I read it. Really good 40k politics.
Finally managed to wrap it up and I find myself in agreement. It had a nice twist in there and the final act when everything came together was nicely pulled off as well.
I liked in until the final fight. It was really weird that the author chose to make Custodes weaker than they should be, especially after showing how awesome fighters they are in the first novel and the Vaults of Terra. That number of Custodes plus Sisters should slaughter that number of Marines without a problem. Also Valerian being not sure of winning vs Chapter Master was a final nail, basically the level of absurd from the Outcast Dead (which otherwise I really liked as a novel) or The Beast series(I think it was in a 5th novel). Other than that it was a good read and I am looking for the next one.
it was really that long ago ?! 
