ArcaneHorror wrote: I wish that more helmets were shown. I was thinking of getting some Mark VI Marines for my Word Bearers, but I will be holding out until I see the helmets.
I’m eagerly waiting for word bearer heads, but I’m guessing they’ll just be basic mk 6 heads with runes carved in them
This NL model is not the only one with a polearm. Also fighting in any kind of cramped interiors (space hulk corridor, tunnels, etc.) will make such a weapon difficult or even worthless to use.
40K ship interiors aren't actually that cramped considering a Coldstar Battlesuit can maneuver through an Imperial cruiser.
ArcaneHorror wrote: I wish that more helmets were shown. I was thinking of getting some Mark VI Marines for my Word Bearers, but I will be holding out until I see the helmets.
I’m eagerly waiting for word bearer heads, but I’m guessing they’ll just be basic mk 6 heads with runes carved in them
Some of the heads have been quite unique, so I'm hoping for something good. Maybe we'll get stylized horned heads or even corrupted heads with teeth.
Gadzilla666 wrote: But when people start complaining about the wings in general, along with things like flayed skin, spikes, chains, etc, I really just have to think "This really just isn't the Legion for you". All of those things are pretty core to their identity. It's like complaining about bionics on Iron Hands models.
I don't think that anybody has been complaining about wings, flayed skin, spikes, chains etc. existing at all in this thread. It's specifically the implementation of (some of) those features which people have been highlighting as not being very well done (like for example the chain/hook with no texture behind it, or models being plastered in wings).
Prometheum5 wrote:You've just described pretty much every Night Lords model in my mind. I don't think there's any saving their established look.
Either/Or wrote: That poor model makes me feel embarrassed just looking at it. Night lords as a concept are already a bit silly, I think their models need to be subtle to pull of their schtick and not look like He-Man villains.
That's the kind of stuff that gets my back up. They've also been described as a "joke" and as "flanderised" (including by yourself). And although that praetor is overdone, I can find similar examples from almost any Legion. But fans of those Legions may like those details, same as Night Lords fans may like the ones on our models.
ClockworkZion wrote:Not going to lie: I've been looking for Night Raptors heads online. Found some of too but it's a question of getting them.
Honestly GW would be getting more money out of me if I could source things from them but 3rd party it is for at least some of my stuff.
I'd really like a few of those "Headsman" style Mark III helmets. But they seem to be sticking with Mark VI, so probably won't happen.
Might have to get the worldy set purely for the laughing head. Gw are really improving the variety of facial expressions as of late. No longer must my marines be perpetually angry.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Might have to get the worldy set purely for the laughing head. Gw are really improving the variety of facial expressions as of late. No longer must my marines be perpetually angry.
While I agree, I like the pissed off look as in "you just bisected my battle brother, now you must die!" Look.
But they have been hitting it out of the park with unhelmeted heads. I say more the merrier, as my Salamanders have a large proportion of bare heads. As long as it doesn't have a ton of long hair it's easy for me to "baldify" them to match their gene-fathers dome...
ArcaneHorror wrote: I wish that more helmets were shown. I was thinking of getting some Mark VI Marines for my Word Bearers, but I will be holding out until I see the helmets.
I’m eagerly waiting for word bearer heads, but I’m guessing they’ll just be basic mk 6 heads with runes carved in them
If they’re going to match the glory of the space wolf helmets then I expect them to be books with eye holes cut in them.
ArcaneHorror wrote: I wish that more helmets were shown. I was thinking of getting some Mark VI Marines for my Word Bearers, but I will be holding out until I see the helmets.
I’m eagerly waiting for word bearer heads, but I’m guessing they’ll just be basic mk 6 heads with runes carved in them
If they’re going to match the glory of the space wolf helmets then I expect them to be books with eye holes cut in them.
3d printer go brrrrrrrr.....
I was envisioning Orko from He-Man more than anything
As much as I want them to hurry up and release Despoilers/Assault Marines or Night Lords upgrade sets, I have a backlog to work through still and a basing scheme to work out so I can't claim I need more right this moment.
For now at least. I'll worry about later when it happens.
JWBS wrote: The article says big HH week next week (or something similar I forget exactly).
I must have missed something because all I saw was the HH pre-order stuff for this week will be up on FW's site Friday.
Warcom said:
We’ll also have loads to show you on the Warhammer Community website, including a look at the Amazon team’s rules in Blood Bowl, and big reveals for Warhammer Underworlds and Warhammer: The Horus Heresy. Join us on Friday on Warhammer Live to Hang Out and Paint, where our presenters will be working on the miniatures from Warhammer Quest: Cursed City.
Big Reveals hopefully means more than just another legion upgrade kit; and I think at this point every plastic kit previously shown off has been released other than the Proteus, right?
JWBS wrote: The article says big HH week next week (or something similar I forget exactly).
I must have missed something because all I saw was the HH pre-order stuff for this week will be up on FW's site Friday.
Warcom said:
We’ll also have loads to show you on the Warhammer Community website, including a look at the Amazon team’s rules in Blood Bowl, and big reveals for Warhammer Underworlds and Warhammer: The Horus Heresy. Join us on Friday on Warhammer Live to Hang Out and Paint, where our presenters will be working on the miniatures from Warhammer Quest: Cursed City.
Big Reveals hopefully means more than just another legion upgrade kit; and I think at this point every plastic kit previously shown off has been released other than the Proteus, right?
Big reveals could be anything. Maybe it's a big tank for example. Or they show us *two* sets of legion upgrades on the same day.
I basically just skip past "big", "epic", "awesome", or any other adjective used by marketing when talking about their products as a rule of thumb.
(There was also this female one, but I don't think she was as widely released).
It's a nice homage. Kinda wish they'd retained something like the shoulder pads and/or the clawed feet thing. It's a bit bland as it is (and I'm usually very much a 'less is more' guy when it comes to the amount of detail or 'bling' on a sculpt).
Oh cool, first we get the announcement of a new Deadpool movie and now we get a matching model. Kind of funny that they're going back to the edgy black X-Men costumes from twenty years ago instead of embracing the more colorful outfits from the modern MCU. Kind of boring. But okay, it's not like we're bound by GW's official color scheme.
ClockworkZion wrote: So anyone think that the "last loyalist assassin" line in the article is hinting at traitor assassins?
It is probable because they said there will be 8 Clades, and we only had 6 known ones plus the Adamus now. It would leave the 8th Clade which could be a Traitor one.
Geifer wrote: Oh cool, first we get the announcement of a new Deadpool movie and now we get a matching model. Kind of funny that they're going back to the edgy black X-Men costumes from twenty years ago instead of embracing the more colorful outfits from the modern MCU. Kind of boring. But okay, it's not like we're bound by GW's official color scheme.
Honestly I think they couldn't decide if they wanted to parody Deadpool or Snake Eyes from GI Joe.
ClockworkZion wrote: So anyone think that the "last loyalist assassin" line in the article is hinting at traitor assassins?
It is probable because they said there will be 8 Clades, and we only had 6 known ones plus the Adamus now. It would leave the 8th Clade which could be a Traitor one.
WarCom wrote:* An administrative error caused by a shadowy figure hacking the mainframe at Warhammer Community Towers caused this previously to read “eight”. There have obviously only ever been seven Clades, and any scintilla of a suggestion to the contrary is heresy in the most extreme.
ClockworkZion wrote: So anyone think that the "last loyalist assassin" line in the article is hinting at traitor assassins?
It is probable because they said there will be 8 Clades, and we only had 6 known ones plus the Adamus now. It would leave the 8th Clade which could be a Traitor one.
WarCom wrote:* An administrative error caused by a shadowy figure hacking the mainframe at Warhammer Community Towers caused this previously to read “eight”. There have obviously only ever been seven Clades, and any scintilla of a suggestion to the contrary is heresy in the most extreme.
Hmm, lovely tribute but should have kept the shoulder pads indeed, a bit bland as it is. Just a generic ninja, a bit disappointing and I agree it's going to be hard to differentiate him from the eversor for example.
EviscerationPlague wrote: I love the Assassin model, but I'm curious what's going to separate it rules wise from the Callidus and Eversor.
That was my thought too (although didn’t realise this was a reimagined RT model, so the design at least makes sense).
Callidus and Eversor both have weapons that do multiple small damage attacks. Hopefully this new guy will have less attacks but that do more damage per swing.
EviscerationPlague wrote: I love the Assassin model, but I'm curious what's going to separate it rules wise from the Callidus and Eversor.
That was my thought too (although didn’t realise this was a reimagined RT model, so the design at least makes sense).
Callidus and Eversor both have weapons that do multiple small damage attacks. Hopefully this new guy will have less attacks but that do more damage per swing.
Since this is an assassin who learns from their enemies, maybe they become more deadly as the game goes on?
It's a nice homage. Kinda wish they'd retained something like the shoulder pads and/or the clawed feet thing. It's a bit bland as it is (and I'm usually very much a 'less is more' guy when it comes to the amount of detail or 'bling' on a sculpt).
It's better than clawed feet. The RT assassin had geta and tabi (or flip flops and socks if you want to be less presumptuous). I painted mine with white socks and red slippers.
EviscerationPlague wrote: I love the Assassin model, but I'm curious what's going to separate it rules wise from the Callidus and Eversor.
That was my thought too (although didn’t realise this was a reimagined RT model, so the design at least makes sense).
Callidus and Eversor both have weapons that do multiple small damage attacks. Hopefully this new guy will have less attacks but that do more damage per swing.
Since this is an assassin who learns from their enemies, maybe they become more deadly as the game goes on?
That would be an interesting mechanic, but that would be dependent on how deadly 30k is for the dude to last even two turns.
godardc wrote: it's going to be hard to differentiate him from the eversor for example.
At least the Eversor has a fancy skull mask. Apart from a rifle, there's very little setting him apart from a Vindicare
The Vindicare model before the latest ones even had a version rocking a pistol
The point is that aside from the skull mask this new guy has the exact same equipment as an Eversor, because the Eversor was itself an evolution of the original RT Assassin model with that equipment. Every other Assassin has unique gear, but this guy just looks like an Eversor without the mask, because he is.
Ideally, he should probably focus on precision and stealth, to contrast with the Eversor's brute force approach, so he winds up playing differently despite being equipped the same.
Its basicly just the gun(ish) and black body suit (same body suit as every other asassin) that has a conection to the Eversor asassin.
Skull mask (helmet with loads of special functions) gauntlet, backpack, shoulder speaker, vials of enhancement substaces, and loads of special trinkets, compared to the Adamus assassins rather plain ninja style.
No no, I meant what he is supposed to be and to do. An elite assault assassin using blades to kill his target and an elite assault assassin using blades to kill his target. What difference does it make ? Ok, one is a super crazy drugged beast of war, and the other is some kind of hyper focussed beast of war ? Such a nice distinction....
Callidus is an infiltrator, vindicare is a shooter, and Culexus is a psy/ anti psy abomination
There were big differences, and even if I'm not keen on using them on the tabletop, Varus and I'll argue, Venenum in some ways have their own personalities too.
Cadmus is just lame eversor so far, although I'm expecting more info on him
I wasn't counting resin cosmetic transmog stuff -just the big plastic releases. The pads and hats can come out whenever they've got two minions free and an open block of time on a machine.
Proteus was the last kit announced, all that's really left is getting the Deimos Rhino back into stock on for regular sales.
I think they can squeeze in six more legion pads (or previews at least) before Christmas, or four if they rest in December. I'd hoped for something more than Proteus + assassin but hey, at least we can look forward to brand new stuff going forwards.
Looking like a fun Nostaglia week, we get to see Battle At The Farm, 2022 style, on wednesday's WH+ batrep and Land Raider Proteus starts selling on Saturday!
Any price estimates for the Proteus? I'm guessing more than a Sicaran, but less than a Spartan.. where will that leave us, at ~70€?
No, absolute silence about any rules. It was the same with Mechanicum book as well, though GMG did a full detail review about a week before anyone else received it.
CragHack wrote: It was just so extremely hard for them to put that Custodes book along with Proteus… eh. Maybe next Sunday.
Are there any rumors on the Custodes rules being usable? I'd like to continue my Custodes project but 40k has given me no reason to.
I don't know how "competitive" they'll be (that always comes down to points), but they'll probably be a lot more "lore accurate". Your floaty Sicarans will probably be more durable than a Leman Russ, for example.
CragHack wrote: It was just so extremely hard for them to put that Custodes book along with Proteus… eh. Maybe next Sunday.
Are there any rumors on the Custodes rules being usable? I'd like to continue my Custodes project but 40k has given me no reason to.
I don't know how "competitive" they'll be (that always comes down to points), but they'll probably be a lot more "lore accurate". Your floaty Sicarans will probably be more durable than a Leman Russ, for example.
Well I'm doing a Sigmarine/Custodes thing, so probably won't do TOO many vehicles, if at all, if they don't mesh.
EviscerationPlague wrote: Are there any rumors on the Custodes rules being usable? I'd like to continue my Custodes project but 40k has given me no reason to.
Define "usable". Most of the 40k roster is easily ported over and Custodes were very very good in HH 1. The latter part isn't a surefire guarantee that they'll be good in HH 2 but I'd be shocked if the army ended up being utterly awful.
It's a nice homage. Kinda wish they'd retained something like the shoulder pads and/or the clawed feet thing. It's a bit bland as it is (and I'm usually very much a 'less is more' guy when it comes to the amount of detail or 'bling' on a sculpt).
It's better than clawed feet. The RT assassin had geta and tabi (or flip flops and socks if you want to be less presumptuous). I painted mine with white socks and red slippers.
Mine had black synskin and red geta. He also had a red shoulder pad and some green painted on the bits and bobs.
One year I put him in the church tower of my moms Christmas village and he just kinda ended up there as the Town Assassin. Now every year when my mom sets up her Christmas Village she puts the town assassin in different spots, takes a few pics and I try to find him. Its a fun little game. I wish mom kept all my other RT era marines and models. Man id be rich right now if I did lol.
I do like this re-imagining of the RT era Assassin. looks good imho.
godardc wrote: it's going to be hard to differentiate him from the eversor for example.
At least the Eversor has a fancy skull mask. Apart from a rifle, there's very little setting him apart from a Vindicare
The Vindicare model before the latest ones even had a version rocking a pistol
The point is that aside from the skull mask this new guy has the exact same equipment as an Eversor, because the Eversor was itself an evolution of the original RT Assassin model with that equipment. Every other Assassin has unique gear, but this guy just looks like an Eversor without the mask, because he is.
Ideally, he should probably focus on precision and stealth, to contrast with the Eversor's brute force approach, so he winds up playing differently despite being equipped the same.
The eversor was a sculpt of a picture Jes I believe drew. Mike McVey did a diorama with the eversor I believe to homage the artwork. Great pic and model. I didn't like the one holding up the ork head with the sword personally.
US price is $85 and Canadian is $100 which should make the UK price £50.
So cheaper then a normal Land Raider.... im down GW im down!!! I also hope this puts a price dent in the second hand market for the old RT era land raider. I love this style of land raider so much. Hopefully someone makes a Og spartan out of this and a demos rhino. That would be glorious.
He was holding a human / eldar head. When minis get alternate sculpts the alternates often seem inferior to the originals, this was the case for the assassins but it wasn't too bad, I somewhat liked them all and the Eversor was the best one.
If it's 'Fast Attack' I'd be so down for an 'orginal' Land Speeder with marines perched on tiny seats right in front of the engines. And Jetbikes of course.
JWBS wrote: He was holding a human / eldar head. When minis get alternate sculpts the alternates often seem inferior to the originals, this was the case for the assassins but it wasn't too bad, I somewhat liked them all and the Eversor was the best one.
I think your right, it was the steel legion LT or SGT that had the ork head wasn't it?
I know they did alt poses for the 4 assassins at the time, the eversor had the head, the vidincare had the tactical rock, the pyschic one was lobbing the grenade and I can't recall the caldus, if it was the running one with her arm sword out or if thatwas the OG one and I can't remember the alt sculpt.
Oh well, I really dig the new FW one. I do hope FA is the next slot they do. People really need assault marines, destroyers, speeders (even though they are Calvary now grumble grumble grumble) and other stuff. I'm glad FW is still doing the resin models as if it was plastic only there would be LONG spaces of no new items that would stall the game even faster then it already is sadly. A lot of the newish people I've seen have bowed out as they don't want to work with resin ( like its a FW game with some GW plastic) and the plastic crack isn't coming fast enough for them. There are some good deals to be had on the secondary market if you hunt around a bit.
MarkNorfolk wrote: If it's 'Fast Attack' I'd be so down for an 'orginal' Land Speeder with marines perched on tiny seats right in front of the engines.
MarkNorfolk wrote: If it's 'Fast Attack' I'd be so down for an 'orginal' Land Speeder with marines perched on tiny seats right in front of the engines.
You mean the Proteus:
That's a Land Speeder. I don't know what a 'Proteus' is.
Yep -
(There was also this female one, but I don't think she was as widely released).
It's a nice homage. Kinda wish they'd retained something like the shoulder pads and/or the clawed feet thing. It's a bit bland as it is (and I'm usually very much a 'less is more' guy when it comes to the amount of detail or 'bling' on a sculpt).
He's wearing thongs/flip-flops (Geta) - google "Japanese Traditional Footwear"
A triple Jetbike or a dual Land Speeder kit would be most welcome. Or a single Jetbike kit with throwback options like a Chaplin or a Medic build included.
I would love a Triaros/Karacnos dual kit in plastic. Given the new importance of the Triaros being the troop carrier for the Mechanicum, I can easily see it being the next plastic release after the Proteus.
While the Marines need more troop variants (esp jump packs, boarding equipment and close combat gear) it is time for the toaster-lovers to get some plastic love.
- Detailed without being overburdened.
- The Tactical Rocks aren't too egregious. That'll make it easier to remove them.
- Chainmail cloak. - Ewan McGregor head.
Corswain is awesome. I don’t like the hooded head, just doesn’t look like I’ve pictured him (although I’m not hugely sure how I picture him). But everything else is great.
ImAGeek wrote: Corswain is awesome. I don’t like the hooded head, just doesn’t look like I’ve pictured him (although I’m not hugely sure how I picture him). But everything else is great.
As someone that absolutely hates unhelmeted Marines, I disagree simply because I hate the funky wings on top. Nothing a helmet swap doesn't fix though, as the rest of the model is just fantastic.
ImAGeek wrote: Corswain is awesome. I don’t like the hooded head, just doesn’t look like I’ve pictured him (although I’m not hugely sure how I picture him). But everything else is great.
I think the official art of him (the busts in the limited SoT books?) has him clean shaven with a short mohawk.
ImAGeek wrote: Corswain is awesome. I don’t like the hooded head, just doesn’t look like I’ve pictured him (although I’m not hugely sure how I picture him). But everything else is great.
I think the official art of him (the busts in the limited SoT books?) has him clean shaven with a short mohawk.
Here is my unboxing & review of the new Land Raider Proteus. Includes pictures of all sprues, including the new Proteus exclusive sprue, and a size comparison with a Rhino and Land Raider Crusader:
stahly wrote: Here is my unboxing & review of the new Land Raider Proteus. Includes pictures of all sprues, including the new Proteus exclusive sprue, and a size comparison with a Rhino and Land Raider Crusader:
stahly wrote: Here is my unboxing & review of the new Land Raider Proteus. Includes pictures of all sprues, including the new Proteus exclusive sprue, and a size comparison with a Rhino and Land Raider Crusader:
Thanks for showing us the pics. It's much appreciated for those of us that dislike having to watch entire videos.
However, I find it difficult to fathom a score of 9/10 when the quality of the actual model is so poor it needs 4 to 5 inches of seam filler.
Written reviews are so much better IMO than video reviews, it's a shame that almost everyone these days does the video reviews instead of written ones. Don't have time for lengthy videos and I can read so much faster than someone can speak.
As for the seams, some of them do look like they could just be left and painted as if they were panel lines to me. On the Eavy Metal kits it looks like they filled the seams that were near the track wheels, but left the seam on the gun shield thingo. A lot of other reviewers didn't bother filling any of them.
The seams are pretty on the side sections from my recollection. And worse it's very easy to have the sections not end up very straight, requiring a lot of care. Just not a super well designed bit of kit compared to some newer stuff.
The shoulders are pretty much what you'd expect, pretty dull but what you'd expect. Nit a fan of the heads though, they look more like thousand sons ir maybe even emperor's children. They look like fancy eye makeup
Nice enough pads, terrible heads. Don't like the vents going every which way, and on the completed model, the side view has the 'beak' look like a muzzle. The gold lines also look out of place.
BigOscar wrote: The shoulders are pretty much what you'd expect, pretty dull but what you'd expect. Nit a fan of the heads though, they look more like thousand sons ir maybe even emperor's children. They look like fancy eye makeup
Definitely Emperor's Children. The way they're sculpted if you paint the beak black, you get a gimp mask.
IXth hats and pads, finally! I like the pads (they are simple enough so have room for further bling/kitbashing), but the heads, ehh.. Will wait until I have them in my hands before judging. Based on the pics alone, not a fan too much..
If I'm going to be using these heads, it'll probably be as replacement helmets for MKX Gravis models.. Like, maybe for an Aggressor squad or something.. The leftmost ones might have enough of a skull facismile to pass as DC.. But probably not for actual beakie models.
What I'd really want, if we talking heads that is, would be a generic "Beakie" helmet upgrade kit. Most of the vintage MKVI helmets are now too big and bulky to be used with the new MKVI models. Just a nice assortment of targeters and helmet scopes for me thx
BigOscar wrote: The shoulders are pretty much what you'd expect, pretty dull but what you'd expect. Nit a fan of the heads though, they look more like thousand sons ir maybe even emperor's children. They look like fancy eye makeup
Definitely Emperor's Children. The way they're sculpted if you paint the beak black, you get a gimp mask.
Time to take out a DE Succubus and do a proper "dungeon" diorama.
BigOscar wrote: The shoulders are pretty much what you'd expect, pretty dull but what you'd expect. Nit a fan of the heads though, they look more like thousand sons ir maybe even emperor's children. They look like fancy eye makeup
Remember folks, no matter how gak your specific Legion heads are. They aren't this.
Moopy wrote: That was my exact thought! Thousand Sons.
Can totally see them being useful for 1k Sons. They just have that look.
The unhelmeted head is quite nice though. At least they got that right for the IXth.
lord_blackfang wrote: You thought they couldn't do another non-infantry box but here we are.
They've swapped one sprue (just the turret gun sprue, not the turret/top sprue itself or anything else) out of 5 sprues. Its easy-peasy.
Its definitely annoying that they didn't announce it with the other predator, but its good that they're letting people get all the options for the unit entry.
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Some of the design choices are... interesting. While most of the guns have tubes and whatnot connecting to the additional 'box' on the back of the turret, the plasma cannon and conversion beamer have to vent _through_ the crew access under the hatch. That's mildly horrifying.
Voss wrote: Some of the design choices are... interesting. While most of the guns have tubes and whatnot connecting to the additional 'box' on the back of the turret, the plasma cannon and conversion beamer have to vent _through_ the crew access under the hatch. That's mildly horrifying.
Voss wrote: Some of the design choices are... interesting. While most of the guns have tubes and whatnot connecting to the additional 'box' on the back of the turret, the plasma cannon and conversion beamer have to vent _through_ the crew access under the hatch. That's mildly horrifying.
Thanks. Now I can never unsee it.
The others look like the box on the back contain ammo (neutrons / promethum, etc) while the plasma and beamer look like a heat sink for power generation. Also nothing stopping you using one of the other 'boxes' with those two.
I think we're at an interesting juncture now, I'll be curious to see how the Heresy range will grow in 2023. More infantry would seem like the obvious thing, or either flyers, jetbikes, or speeders.
Everybody loves Dreadnoughts, so I don't think a Deredeo would be out of the question either. Some of the legion-non-specific praetor variants as character kits also seem plausible to me.
In a vacuum I'd like it, but when I consider a superheavy would eat up like 3 kits worth of limited production capacity, then it's the last thing I want to see. Which means GW will probably do it
Felblade will probably happen at some point so the legiones have a super-heavy in plastic. Since Marines shockingly don't have a plastic LoW tank in 40k either (Guilliman is Ultramarines, Astraeus is resin) maybe it'll be advertised and released with the next codex?
There's of course those other Spartan variants they could now do for comparatively little work, but I don't know if anyone's really clamoring for a Cerberus or Typhon at this very moment.
I guess it would be a level of optimism beyond the bounds of reasonability that Mechanicum would be getting even a single plastic kit?
Mr_Rose wrote: Fellblade would be “neat, I’ll get one eventually” but assault squads with cc weapons would be “give me three now!”
I wonder if the thought experiment is wait until they predict everyone lost patience and converted or turned their AOD beakies into tacticals and then spring the despoiler and assault upgrades on people.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I think we're at an interesting juncture now, I'll be curious to see how the Heresy range will grow in 2023. More infantry would seem like the obvious thing, or either flyers, jetbikes, or speeders.
Everybody loves Dreadnoughts, so I don't think a Deredeo would be out of the question either. Some of the legion-non-specific praetor variants as character kits also seem plausible to me.
Yeah, mk 6 Apothecaries/Librarians/Comms/Techmarines etc seem like reasonable guesses at some point.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I think we're at an interesting juncture now, I'll be curious to see how the Heresy range will grow in 2023. More infantry would seem like the obvious thing, or either flyers, jetbikes, or speeders.
Everybody loves Dreadnoughts, so I don't think a Deredeo would be out of the question either. Some of the legion-non-specific praetor variants as character kits also seem plausible to me.
Yeah, mk 6 Apothecaries/Librarians/Comms/Techmarines etc seem like reasonable guesses at some point.
I would expect these before any mkii/iii/iv anything. Maybe same but terminator variants.
I could see them doing some 2 packs of characters to replace the resin ones, like a mk IV and VI apothecary and a Mk III and Mk VI techmarine. Maybe a Champion and Vox master 2 pack again as well.
Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
This really screams 1st world problems and entitlement to me in the worst possible way, especially when the transfer sheets have been available all this time. Moulded pads are literally a luxury item to attach to your luxury items....
This really screams 1st world problems and entitlement to me in the worst possible way, especially when the transfer sheets have been available all this time. Moulded pads are literally a luxury item to attach to your luxury items....
...And? What's your point.
Hey everyone! These are just luxury toys. No point in wanting anything, or discussing anything here. Go outside and work as a subsistence farmer or something.
This really screams 1st world problems and entitlement to me in the worst possible way, especially when the transfer sheets have been available all this time. Moulded pads are literally a luxury item to attach to your luxury items....
Tacticals were present on day 1. Then they teased us with the helmets/shoulder pads but wouldn´t deliver. Pathetic behaviour. You either release the stuff or don´t mention such products at all. It always boggles my mind how quickly GW fan boys crawl out of the woodworks to defend shady business practices when even they know that the suits in Nottingham hate their guts.
Hey everyone! These are just luxury toys. No point in wanting anything, or discussing anything here. Go outside and work as a subsistence farmer or something.
My point is people wanting things like the shoulder pads on day one, when we had an entire range of basic things that needed transferring to plastic first. Not saying no one should want things, but saying that NOT having those things one day one is asinine really is daft. The fact they've gotten out so many vehicles already considering this is a new plastic range is already good enough, especially with the amount they are putting out for other systems.
They have to spread their releases over the whole year for marketing, production and cash flow reasons. So while I understand the want for everything released at day one, it's not realistic.
And hey it's out for just 4 month and we've got a lot of stuff. And I'm sure there are people who will be happy enough to supply shoulder pads, if you can't wait any longer.
I personally prefer the release of plastic, Kratos, Sicaran, Rhino, Predator, Leviathan, special weapons, heavy weapons and I do not know what and have the release of Legion shoulder pads spread out to fill the gaps.
This really screams 1st world problems and entitlement to me in the worst possible way, especially when the transfer sheets have been available all this time. Moulded pads are literally a luxury item to attach to your luxury items....
The 3 transfer sheets I've been after have been on my wish list since I bought the AoD box set. I check each day after work, they're always out of stock. I did get an email to say they were back in stock, but by the time I got in from work to buy them, they were gone again.
Do GW have these printed in China like boxes, books and terrain pieces?
This really screams 1st world problems and entitlement to me in the worst possible way, especially when the transfer sheets have been available all this time. Moulded pads are literally a luxury item to attach to your luxury items....
The 3 transfer sheets I've been after have been on my wish list since I bought the AoD box set. I check each day after work, they're always out of stock. I did get an email to say they were back in stock, but by the time I got in from work to buy them, they were gone again. Do GW have these printed in China like boxes, books and terrain pieces?
You can try finding a third party retailer cool enough to carry Direct Order items. Their restocks are for sure even more sporadic, but stock does tend to linger longer.
Happy to see that my local Warhammer store now carries some Horus Heresy items in store. It was a bit odd that they were keeping them as direct/flgs only if they want the game to thrive and survive.
And per the article the Predator variant will be pre announced for preorder tomorrow...really enjoyed the one Deimos Predator I have painted up.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Keeping things in stock would be awesome, oh and not making MK3 and MK4 direct order only.
FLGS can order them in so what’s the problem ?
With direct order stuff, some LGSs won't order them, because they get a smaller or no discount. Its a weird business decision because its basically 'be lazy and make a customer unhappy' (and thus even more likely to shop online rather than in the store), but it happens.
On the other hand, some of local stores have been complaining a lot about GW just not fulfilling orders on some things, despite the number of times they call their rep, so the last couple years have made things more complicated.
This really screams 1st world problems and entitlement to me in the worst possible way, especially when the transfer sheets have been available all this time. Moulded pads are literally a luxury item to attach to your luxury items....
...And? What's your point.
Hey everyone! These are just luxury toys. No point in wanting anything, or discussing anything here. Go outside and work as a subsistence farmer or something.
You are saying basically "screw every other player as long as I get something I don't need to play"
"Don't release predator. More shoulder pads instead!"
What kits you wouldn't have put out yet to get more shoulder pads instead? Predator, land raider proteus, solo contemptor. Those not available yet and couple more shoulder pad sets available. Better?
Strg Alt wrote: Tacticals were present on day 1. Then they teased us with the helmets/shoulder pads but wouldn´t deliver. Pathetic behaviour. You either release the stuff or don´t mention such products at all. It always boggles my mind how quickly GW fan boys crawl out of the woodworks to defend shady business practices when even they know that the suits in Nottingham hate their guts.
To be fair, the only people who hate GW fans more than the Nottingham suits do are other GW fans. This entire so-called community is constantly fracturing across new faultlines of mutual hatred and loathing.
More to the point, the shoulder pad sets are resin, so they shouldn't take production timeslots away from plastic kits. We've already seen them used as a kind of "filler" between larger releases so that WarCom always has something to talk about on Thursdays, so it seems likely this will continue until all 18 Mk6 sets are out.
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
Wait, so now you are saying that my FW resin Land Raider Armoured Proteus should come with some other doors than what it ships with?
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
Wait, so now you are saying that my FW resin Land Raider Armoured Proteus should come with some other doors than what it ships with?
Not all Land Raider doors are created equal..
You're not being very coherent. If your resin FW model (which you did not mention before) came with doors that don't fit it, write to FW and they will sort you out. If you're asking if Rhino doors fit on a plastic Spartan, then no, why would they, Land Raider doors fit on a plastic Spartan.
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
Wait, so now you are saying that my FW resin Land Raider Armoured Proteus should come with some other doors than what it ships with?
Not all Land Raider doors are created equal..
If you have chapter specific doors then rhino doors goes to rhino sized vehicles. If you have land raider sized vehicle you need(no surprise) land raider doors.
Are you expecting to use knight weapons on warhound titans?
OK, so GW has now officially lied and fethed up about Custodes book. And not a single pr why. GG, well played, nu gw Oh, wait, there's one more Monday for retailer pre orders. It will still technically count as "released in october".
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
Wait, so now you are saying that my FW resin Land Raider Armoured Proteus should come with some other doors than what it ships with?
Not all Land Raider doors are created equal..
You're not being very coherent. If your resin FW model (which you did not mention before) came with doors that don't fit it, write to FW and they will sort you out. If you're asking if Rhino doors fit on a plastic Spartan, then no, why would they, Land Raider doors fit on a plastic Spartan.
So you are saying you didn't know Land Raider Armoured Proteus comes with Rhino doors and not Land Raider doors.. Well, it does. It would of course be logical to assume that Land Raider doors fit Land Raiders, but this is GW, so that only makes sense most of the time, not all the time.
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
Wait, so now you are saying that my FW resin Land Raider Armoured Proteus should come with some other doors than what it ships with?
Not all Land Raider doors are created equal..
You're not being very coherent. If your resin FW model (which you did not mention before) came with doors that don't fit it, write to FW and they will sort you out. If you're asking if Rhino doors fit on a plastic Spartan, then no, why would they, Land Raider doors fit on a plastic Spartan.
So you are saying you didn't know Land Raider Armoured Proteus comes with Rhino doors and not Land Raider doors.. Well, it does. It would of course be logical to assume that Land Raider doors fit Land Raiders, but this is GW, so that only makes sense most of the time, not all the time.
Yes, the Armoured Proteus and Land Raider Mk IIB uses Rhino-size doors. People might be excused to think you were taking about the new plastic Proteus given that this is a thread in News & Rumours and the Armoured Proteus is eleven years old.
FW is currently not making neither Land Raider doors nor Mars Rhino doors so you are out of luck regardless of which Land Raider you are using, so what is the point of your rant?
tauist wrote: So you are saying you didn't know Land Raider Armoured Proteus comes with Rhino doors and not Land Raider doors.. Well, it does. It would of course be logical to assume that Land Raider doors fit Land Raiders, but this is GW, so that only makes sense most of the time, not all the time.
Except Land Raider doors do fit Land Raiders, it's only the weird no-room-inside archaic side sponson design that FW used on AP and 2B that uses Rhino doors. Seeing plastic Proteus doesn't have them, I have no idea why you expected the outlier and not the usual to apply...
Unless i've miss-remembered (wouldn't be the first time) or got my info conflated with general here-say (also wouldn't be the first time), I thought it was Militia/Cults get Legacies PDFs, Auxillia got thrown in with Talons in the Liber Imperium and Daemons got a tide-you-over PDF.
EDIT- Went back and hunted out the roadmap from a few months ago. It was.... vague-ish.
WarCom wrote:These will all be supported by Legacies of the Age of Darkness, free downloadable PDFs which contain rules for old Forge World models that aren’t at present planned to return to the current range, so you can use your existing models in the new edition. And on top of that, two additional army lists will be available to download for other factions – the Daemons of the Ruinstorm, and the Imperialis Militia and Warp Cults.
Bolded for emphasis. There's no such PDFs as of this moment. Guess they're still on their way.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Forgeworld could release more upgrade kits for them, but how many more options could really be made with the base kit?
I was being more then a touch facetious there. Given that the kit already supports 6 different squads in 1.0 rules. There's not much more it can do on it's own.
I mean that could just apply to the mkVI helmets in general if that's what you can see; if anything the skeletal features move the outline further away from 'Rat-boy'.
I like the main helmet, but I think it would benefit from further diversification in the bone style to be honest. I know this has not been the case with all the helmets so far with massive changes to the main 9, but NL's would benefit from it. 1 or 2 of those helmets would be fine, but you want a different bone/terror mask on others as well.
RazorEdge wrote: In german a bat is a "Fledermaus", which makes bats technical - by name - "mices" in german language...
In Swedish too.
For reason's I never quite understood though, the opera title "Die Fledermaus" when translated into Swedish gets the meaning 'The piece of leather' which amusingly led to (back in the day at least) the superhero billionaire who likes to dress like a bat being called 'The piece of leather' as well.
RazorEdge wrote: In german a bat is a "Fledermaus", which makes bats technical - by name - "mices" in german language...
In Swedish too.
For reason's I never quite understood though, the opera title "Die Fledermaus" when translated into Swedish gets the meaning 'The piece of leather' which amusingly led to the superhero billionaire who likes to dress like a bat being called 'The piece of leather' as well.
That's kind of funny, since the evil WW2 version of that iconic billionaire character was known as Leatherwing.
Part of me really wants these helmets to make a rat themed nurgle army. Rats aren't really touched upon in nurgle, and the only time I've seen anyone make a rat death guard character was some youtube. Toss in some of those mites from the gellerpox and its perfect.
Still waiting and hoping for a bunch of things, like Javelin land speeders, Assault Marines, Outrider bikers, and so much more...
any news or rumors on when more non-tank releases are coming? It's great that we've gotten the predators, rhinos, land raiders, etc all out, but gosh golly I could use some assaulty boys.
I disagree. I'm expecting a killteam-like release pattern. Steady and regular, but also accompanied by much wailing here that it's not fast enough. Definitely plenty more to come between now and summer anyway.
Agreed on the drip releases. A single running infantry sprue for despoilers can then be used as the base for assault marines, then destroyers and melee upgrade options would be more sales. Whirlwind and vindicator are both a pair of sprues on the deimos chassis. Cerberus and typhon could be a single sprue swap in the Spartan kit. The Predator upgrades are coming out alongside the Squats, so we know that gw is fine with releasing hh kits without dedicating an entire release slot on them.
Part of me really wants these helmets to make a rat themed nurgle army. Rats aren't really touched upon in nurgle, and the only time I've seen anyone make a rat death guard character was some youtube. Toss in some of those mites from the gellerpox and its perfect.
I guess rats would never fit in Nurgles cheerful and easy going theme. Skavens has pretty much nailed the rat theme with their frantic idustrious evil swarms that is far from Grandfather Nurges warm, feverish and loving embrace.
tauist wrote: Just got my Land Raider Proteus.. and I am shocked! Seems like the Land Raider / Spartan side doors are bigger than the Rhino doors of old, so how yall are adding your custom Chapter symbol resin doors to these? Surely these doors must be compatible with some other existing GW kit?!
Or have I missed something and there is currently no way to use our fw chapter resin doors on these new plastic kits?
Probably by using Land Raider doors on a Land Raider?
Wait, so now you are saying that my FW resin Land Raider Armoured Proteus should come with some other doors than what it ships with?
Not all Land Raider doors are created equal..
You're not being very coherent. If your resin FW model (which you did not mention before) came with doors that don't fit it, write to FW and they will sort you out. If you're asking if Rhino doors fit on a plastic Spartan, then no, why would they, Land Raider doors fit on a plastic Spartan.
So you are saying you didn't know Land Raider Armoured Proteus comes with Rhino doors and not Land Raider doors.. Well, it does. It would of course be logical to assume that Land Raider doors fit Land Raiders, but this is GW, so that only makes sense most of the time, not all the time.
Yes, the Armoured Proteus and Land Raider Mk IIB uses Rhino-size doors. People might be excused to think you were taking about the new plastic Proteus given that this is a thread in News & Rumours and the Armoured Proteus is eleven years old.
FW is currently not making neither Land Raider doors nor Mars Rhino doors so you are out of luck regardless of which Land Raider you are using, so what is the point of your rant?
Prior to HH 2.0, my only Land Raider kit was the Armoured Proteus.. which explains why I existed in a Kafkaesque alternate universe where I erroneously thought all modern land raider kits come with Rhino doors. Mystery solved, carry on
Part of me really wants these helmets to make a rat themed nurgle army. Rats aren't really touched upon in nurgle, and the only time I've seen anyone make a rat death guard character was some youtube. Toss in some of those mites from the gellerpox and its perfect.
I guess rats would never fit in Nurgles cheerful and easy going theme. Skavens has pretty much nailed the rat theme with their frantic idustrious evil swarms that is far from Grandfather Nurges warm, feverish and loving embrace.
Part of me really wants these helmets to make a rat themed nurgle army. Rats aren't really touched upon in nurgle, and the only time I've seen anyone make a rat death guard character was some youtube. Toss in some of those mites from the gellerpox and its perfect.
I guess rats would never fit in Nurgles cheerful and easy going theme. Skavens has pretty much nailed the rat theme with their frantic idustrious evil swarms that is far from Grandfather Nurges warm, feverish and loving embrace.
We have Nurgle themed Skavens.
Perhaps, by Skavens twisted logic and warped megalomania. Not so much the other way around.
Edit: OK, to be fair, most chaos worshippers use twisted logic and warped megalomania.
So the Made to Order Iron Hands & Night Lord stuff is not compatible to the new HH 2.0 minis? I might be wrong but the minis presented here (1:02 min, Iron Hands) look to me like old models:
Strg Alt wrote: So the Made to Order Iron Hands & Night Lord stuff is not compatible to the new HH 2.0 minis? I might be wrong but the minis presented here (1:02 min, Iron Hands) look to me like old models:
They are old minis and are incompatible with the mk6. It used to be everyone (more or less) had mk3 and mk4 shoulderpads, heads, and Torsoes and most had mk2 as well. Took most of the torsoes off over the years and by 2.0's launch it was a mix of both mk3 and m4 pads and helmets, which legion was which mark depended. They've slowly begun rolling them back in.
They were designed to work with the Plastic Mk3 and 4, as well as the resin Mk2-6 suits.
I hope with the cultist rules that there are options that would allow one to use the new Accursed models. I'm pretty sure that that unit itself won't be in the game, but maybe there could be something for mutant cultists or rules for Chaos enhancements.
If you're rolling Tainted Flesh, then you could use the Accursed Cultists as Levy squads and the Beastmen as Infantry squads. Assuming that we keep Provenances and that one in particular.
ArcaneHorror wrote: Beastmen were present in the Imperial Army before and during the HH, so having that is a possibility.
TBH the Legacy stuff (IIRC) has seen every single previous option for Legions and Mechanicus returned (despite claims to the contrary) so there is a good chance the C&M list will be the same.
I expect the Provenances to change again but I think the list will still be fine.
For the UK peeps - I just noticed that wayland games have got quite a lot of heresy stuff in the pre-Black Friday sale, including liber Astartes and hereticus books, and the reference cards at 50% off, and most of the recent kits at 30% off, including the big AoD box.
£28 for a predator including p&p, is quite tempting…
WarCom wrote:The Rocket Barrage special rule gives these mobile ordnance platforms a reason to stay still and make the most of their 48” range. Salvos from stationary Scorpius Missile Launchers confer the Rending (4+) and Pinning special rules, resulting in a truly devastating combo.
This effect lasts until your next turn, so those Heavy Support Squads may find themselves on the receiving end of a spicy Return Fire reaction if they put their heads above the parapet.
So is WarCom wrong (again), or is it getting errata'd to be able to Return Fire?
Interesting how GW seems to be making a game revolving around tanks where tanks have the absolute worst rules out of anything.
Despoiler squads, Seeker squads, recon squads, breacher squads... let me play infantry. Every Black Library novel cover has infantry on it, barely any tanks. Evoke your setting with your dang models.
zedmeister wrote: Unsurprising. It's always been a very popular unit. Maybe they'll make an alternative straight Whirlwind turret as well?
I’d like to see a proper retro turret for a whirlwind. Box and all. The scorpius looks nothing like the old versions while the predator and land raider are faithful recreations. I made a lovely whirlwind for a 40mm base and some spare rhino bits from an old white dwarf magazine back in the day, wonder if it’d still work now???
Voss wrote: On the one hand, its yet another tank and the game flatly needs releases for the infantry squads, but I'm excited none-the-less.
I do want this one.
Though the design could use more bracing for the launchers. The front on view makes them look very wobbly.
Is it possible that they're getting the tanks out of the way first? My thought, which could be wrong was that since we now have a stupid scale disparity between MK6 and the rest of the plastic and resin Marines, perhaps they will rescale MK 3 & 4 along with a release in plastic of MK 2 & 5? So if they get all the tanks and cars out of the way first, it makes it much easier to just focus on infantry releases?
Voss wrote: On the one hand, its yet another tank and the game flatly needs releases for the infantry squads, but I'm excited none-the-less.
I do want this one.
Though the design could use more bracing for the launchers. The front on view makes them look very wobbly.
Is it possible that they're getting the tanks out of the way first? My thought, which could be wrong was that since we now have a stupid scale disparity between MK6 and the rest of the plastic and resin Marines, perhaps they will rescale MK 3 & 4 along with a release in plastic of MK 2 & 5? So if they get all the tanks and cars out of the way first, it makes it much easier to just focus on infantry releases?
They sculpt in CAD files (or something similar). There aren't any dependencies that dictate a certain model type be done as a group. Nothing is 'easier,' its just X number of sprues per box for however many thousand boxes, then load up whatever is next in the queue.
Now, Marketing may want to do a big splash release of 'assault infantry' types (or whatever), but at this point the dribble of vehicles is rankling people more than anything (lets be honest, the 'two predators' didn't really need to be separate releases). And breaking them up more isn't going to help. There's quite a few sicaran variants after the vindicator, and a few more vehicles as well, so this could keep going for a couple more months. That doesn't strike me as a good idea.
Given how long we've gone without any sort of plastic "people" released for HH it looks like GW has anxiety over the scale change. In the case of bikes and speeders maybe they didn't want to decide between scaling up the whole model or cramming in an upscaled crew into old scaled seats, so they're just never updating the models.
Gadzilla666 wrote: I wonder how much the fact that all of the 30k vehicles that we've gotten so far can also be sold to 40k players factors into the focus on them.
Gadzilla666 wrote: I wonder how much the fact that all of the 30k vehicles that we've gotten so far can also be sold to 40k players factors into the focus on them.
Most 40k players I know refuse to buy anything that's not Primaris anymore and keep their collections mutually exclusive anyway.
Gadzilla666 wrote: I wonder how much the fact that all of the 30k vehicles that we've gotten so far can also be sold to 40k players factors into the focus on them.
Most 40k players I know refuse to buy anything that's not Primaris anymore and keep their collections mutually exclusive anyway.
Actually, there's one 40k faction that can use all of the plastic 30k vehicles (bar the Kratos), that I guarantee you are absolutely not "refusing to buy anything that's not Primaris".
Gadzilla666 wrote: I wonder how much the fact that all of the 30k vehicles that we've gotten so far can also be sold to 40k players factors into the focus on them.
Most 40k players I know refuse to buy anything that's not Primaris anymore and keep their collections mutually exclusive anyway.
I've seen that too, except for the vehicles because outside the Impulsor and new Speeders they're pretty ugly.
The current heresy releases very much seem to be geared towards existing players. Since we're already used to having to convert all of our marines from different boxes or already have our infantry for the most part, the plastic tanks are a god send and very exciting. For new players though I can understand that's it's really frustrating to not have plastic close combat sprues or boarding shields available yet. Jump packs are available in plastic but without the plastic marines for them it's a bit of converting or resin/printed models required to make them work.
Hopefully we'll see a return to infantry releases in a few months, but there's definitely a lot of love and excitement for the dreadnaughts and tanks getting released from the existing playerbase that I'm part of.
Plastic despoilers, jetbikes, and assault marines are definitely coming. It's just a case of when. Remember there's been a lot of issues with production and packaging so it may be that sprues arent yet at the numbers required for a launch or the boxes for the models aren't yet available. Since it's not a specialist games release they arent going to be releasing anything without packaging so that might be the holdup.
lord_blackfang wrote: Given how long we've gone without any sort of plastic "people" released for HH it looks like GW has anxiety over the scale change. In the case of bikes and speeders maybe they didn't want to decide between scaling up the whole model or cramming in an upscaled crew into old scaled seats, so they're just never updating the models.
Not going to lie, the idea that GW has anxiety about the scale change while making the scale change and releasing even more new models (guard) in a new scale just... makes no sense whatsoever.
Any scale anxiety issues are in a subset of forum/reddit/facebook goers, and not much else.
Bobug wrote: The current heresy releases very much seem to be geared towards existing players. Since we're already used to having to convert all of our marines from different boxes or already have our infantry for the most part, the plastic tanks are a god send and very exciting. For new players though I can understand that's it's really frustrating to not have plastic close combat sprues or boarding shields available yet. Jump packs are available in plastic but without the plastic marines for them it's a bit of converting or resin/printed models required to make them work.
Hopefully we'll see a return to infantry releases in a few months, but there's definitely a lot of love and excitement for the dreadnaughts and tanks getting released from the existing playerbase that I'm part of.
Plastic despoilers, jetbikes, and assault marines are definitely coming. It's just a case of when. Remember there's been a lot of issues with production and packaging so it may be that sprues arent yet at the numbers required for a launch or the boxes for the models aren't yet available. Since it's not a specialist games release they arent going to be releasing anything without packaging so that might be the holdup.
This ^^^
I wouldn't be surprised if the number crunchers decided it would be a safer way to get some money out of 30k by releasing previously VERY EXPENSIVE resin tanks in plastic to help people expand their collections of the big things that maybe they were avoiding getting.
I'm sure more infantry is coming, but for new players it IS incredibly frustrating, unless you're Iron Warriors or something.
Raven Guard, Emperor's Children, Space Wolves, World Eaters, Sons of Horus, Blood Angels, White Scars, and Night Lords, practically half of the legions really need access to assault marines of the various types to operate properly, and most of the other legions can make good use of them as well, and yet here we are.
I for one refuse to convert the current tactical marines (spending double on parts) or get any of the resin assault marines (spending double on resin) when we know they *should* be coming out with a plastic assault marine kit soonish. The wait is frustrating, but cest la vie.
Rihgu wrote: Interesting how GW seems to be making a game revolving around tanks where tanks have the absolute worst rules out of anything.
Despoiler squads, Seeker squads, recon squads, breacher squads... let me play infantry. Every Black Library novel cover has infantry on it, barely any tanks. Evoke your setting with your dang models.
Amen.
The tank is nice. So is that spicy combi-bolter return fire.
Dang, my Firstborn collection already has a Whirlwind (the old metal one on the plastic Mk Ic Rhino) so I don't have an excuse to buy a Scorpius, but I wish I did.
All I know is that I've been building and painting more tanks in the last few months than I have in the last several years...and looks like I'll be buying more with the Scorpius.
Really, all I am looking for now in the vehicle range are the superheavies...I have a Fellblade and a Glaive from ages past, but a new plastic combo kit would be great.
After the vehicle run, I would love to see some assault marines, breachers and despoilers options available.
